Jotunn is dumb, but I am not allowed to complain about it cause I abused it for my Luna’s Howl, and it feels like an extension of my hand and it disgusts me. Haven’t touched it since I got Luna’s
Im pretty convinced Bad Juju is a weapon of sorrow. Do u guys remember when it said in one of the quest entries; ''whenever you hold this weapon in your hands, your ghost looks... delicious''. Is that not evidence of corruption?
Yeah I’m pretty sure bad juju is a weapon of sorrow made from the understanding that Toland had of the hive, it’s built from his schematics that he left behind
@@jakespacepiratee3740 yea and he was also a "hunter" at one point. Just saying that anything is possible given the current changes to this specific story. The time periods are the biggest issue not necessarily the original story told since that's already changed. Though tbh it's likely as Myelin and some have already said and that it's just that he adopted it as a title like the other Shadows of Yor.
I don't see what's so surprising, even us guardians have dredgen titles, so it should be obvious that Drifter, who is a person that stepped between light and dark, would have the title as well.
Is Necrochasm Rezyl Azir's auto rifle? In Byf's video about The Last Word and Thorn, he said that when Rezyl fought the Hive on the moon, he started with a rifle before tossing it aside in favor of Rose. I'm not sure how much of what Byf said is direct from grimoire cards or is made up for the sake of the story, but assuming Rezyl did literally toss his rifle aside, then it would have just been sitting there. And in Necrochasm's grimoire card, it states that it was made from an ancient Guardian's rifle. I can't help but see a connection there.
@@kaza2185 In short, Rose was Thorn before Thorn was Hive-ified. Thorn was created by Rezyl grafting Hive bones onto Rose, and then those bones slowly corrupting Rose into Thorn.
Hey I just realized something. Byf, you know the world the consul was exiled on? It’s said in the lore that the planet was a desert of pure white. You know the planet that the trials of the nine takes place on and where the new season of the drifter activity takes place? It is, without a doubt, a desert of pure white. Do you think the planet that calus cleared is actually the planet that the nine are currently using? Please like this so people can see
I feel like a lot of people in the comments forgot that Dredgen is now a title. We have Dredgen Vale, and Dredgen Bane, and they’re Shadows of Yor. They call themselves Dredgen as a sort of symbol, not that they’ve embraced the darkness, but that they definitely have no problem killing guardians of it means gaining strength. The Drifter is called Dredgen because he is one of the Shadows, just like Byf and several others assumed. Is he Dredgen Yor, most likely not, but I mean, hey we all assumed we’d never see Uldren’s stupid face again
@@bible91 I mean, in the case of the drifter being yor it wouldn't be a retcon but it would feel just as cheap to me. "Hey guys, you know that dude who went all bad boy killing other guardians and consuming their light and shit? He's back, funnier than ever, has his own game mode, and you have been talking to him without knowing for about 6 months now" :/
Paulo Henrique Lima like I said, it’s a very small chance, it’s most likely because he was a Shadow of Yor, who all love calling themselves Dredgen.....in hindsight I probably could’ve compared them to Beleibers (Beiber fans)...but with darker clothes and spooky guns
@@bible91 oh don't get me wrong, I don't believe he is yor. However it does make me curious to know more about him and his relation to the nine. That's gonna be one lore heavy expansion '-'
I Would love that weapons and armor have the detail of, whispering things... like the ahamkara armor, giving us whispers now and then, making us believe that we are mad or imagining things... calling our name and stuff like that.
Out of all of my late rewatch of this little series on Thorn/Last Word/Lumina, I am most pleased by the fact that you bank 5 motes to get First to Block. Seriously, people hold on to motes way too much.
I think that whisper constitutes as a weapon of sorrow. It fills all the categories, except maybe human made, but it has the same purpose as the other two we know.
Something i would enjoy is that , whem we make the choice between the vanguard and drifter. is that we speak for whenever we choose drifter And the ghost speaks for when we choose the vanguard
Now I understand why the year 3 version of necrochasm was my baby in destiny 1’s crucible. In destiny one I primarily used necrochasm and did really well with it even though the meta was clearly elsewhere. The weapon and I did amazing things such as my highest kill streak in any pvp game of 19 kills. (I realize that is small compared to a lot of people but it was cool for me.) In fact during the kill streak I actually lost count and I have to wonder if my necrochasm guided my hands in the past. I love that weapon and I miss how alive it felt.
It has always been my belief that when it comes to guns such as Grasp of Malok and the Crota’s End guns (and maybe Black Spindle, etc.), they are likely human weapons that Guardians have attached Hive chitin/relics onto in an effort to infuse their power into the weapon.
Lore that was mined says he is a Dredgen named Dredgen Hope and Shin Malfur is also a Shadow/Dredgen tho he became so to kill Yor i think. Also if u read into the bames of the Dredgens and even Shin Malfurs Dredgen name from the data mined lore u see is that it somewhat makes sense. the Drifter Dredgen name is interesting as it is Hope and the word hope is major and has definitions that dont really fit his character unless he actually is the better of the evil within the group of the Shadows of Yor. We dont know what his true motives are and I think when we find out more this season it will still not be enough.
Couldn't you just say that Weapons of Sorrow are just weapons typically made by destruction with the intent of solely destruction? Thorn robs people of their light, the raid weapons are either linked directly to Hive use or was made using the Hive's understanding of darkness, or in some cases were meant to corrupt indefinitely and destroy the user(Touch of Malice.) To me, it seems more accurate that the term "Weapons of Sorrow" is meant to be a counter to how guardians typically are. We usually use weapons to either destroy those who would do humanity harm, or to sharpen our fangs in the crucible for fights to come. Weapons of Sorrow, in this context, would have a more clear meaning: They are weapons that bring about sorrow because the intent lying behind them isn't always(or in some cases EVER) about aiding humanity or protecting others.
Maaaan I just gotta say this to the void real quick. It's so fun and rewarding to grind for exotics and come hear to learn about them from Lore Master Byf. I've been grinding the hell out of the Drifter Lore and I'm in the home stretch of getting the Dredgen title. Sure it's arguably one of the easier ones, but I'm having so much fun with Destiny right now.
The Book of Unmaking is a super interesting read. It describes how the Shadows are trying to utilize the darkness to craft weapons that can be used against it. The advent of the tetrahedron ships is looming on the horizon and with all the talk of choosing a side even if it is the wrong one, I can only assume that guardians may need to craft the weapons to survive the impending attack. I'm so excited about season of the Drifter because of the storyline potential!
If I remember the Bad Juju perks correctly; kills a) instantly reload the weapon, b) increase the weapon’s damage output and c) charge your super. The more you kill, the stronger you are......isn’t that the sword logic in a nutshell?
When you finish the Last Word quest and talk to the Drifter, it gives you every stage of “The Book of Unmaking” (the lore set, you can find it in triumphs, lore, the darkness, you’ll see it). And as Byf mentioned, the weapons of sorrow are made with the instruction of the book of unmaking. The Last Word doesn’t looked very hive-ish but why else would the instruction manual for making the weapons of sorrow be unlocked?
Likely to go and make Thorn, the antithesis of The Last Word. Sure, it could be construed as a Weapon of Sorrow if you decided to take a stance and say WoS are those that have permanently killed guardians, which is sort of what I argue on behalf of--yet that depends on if you can really call Dredgen Yor/Rezzyl Azir a guardian anymore
Gonna be honest, at first I wasn't going to watch this because I thought I knew all about the Weapons of Sorrow (I love this bit of lore and am really excited to learn more about the Drifter's days as a Shadow of Yor). But I didn't realise that the Malfeasance that I'm grinding for (need Gambit wins, really hard when half your teammates are friggin' bots) wasn't technically a Weapon of Sorrow. Thank you for this video and a chance to learn more about this interesting universe Byf!
Just wanted to say something real quick. In general I don't like comment videos about games I enjoy playing. I actively dislike almost all of the popular Destiny 2 videos I've been made to watch/listen to because my friends watch them while I'm around. But your videos are actually very well done. I enjoy your perspectives even when I disagree and I really like your takes on the lore and how you present them. Side note, your voice is awesome too, but that's not why this is the only Destiny channel I've ever watched of my own free will, let alone subscribed to.
It would be nice if they had some explanation of what happened to nechrochasm and the touch of malice. They're both incredibly powerful weapons and I feel that they wouldn't have been merely lost during the red war. Someone must've found them
@@DuskShadowclaw last word was the easiest quest ever. If you're referring to the PvP portion, Last Word is a 1000% PvP weapon. It is not a Pve weapon what so ever and has zero perks to be useful. Of course there has to be PvP involved. Same goes with thorn.
One worth mentioning is the Red Death, referred to by Aunor I in the 2nd or 3rd encrypted communication that we've received so far from them. It isn't strictly hive related, but it has confirmed guardian kills past the point of resurrecting which I would see as makings of a Weapon of Sorrow.
As far as the theory of spreading corruption through Guardian ranks. It reminds me of a tactic used by certain spec ops groups in Vietnam. When coming across enemy weapon and ammunition caches, rather than destroy them, the spec ops guys would seed tampered rounds and weapons in the cache. The weapons were designed to be able to fire a few rounds and then suffer a catastrophic failure maiming or killing the user. The ammunition was designed to do that to a weapon that had not been tampered with.
Threatening the legendary Dredgen Yor with his own cursed weapon is an exciting prospect... but he may not be Dredgen *Yor.* He could be another of the shadows who took on the name of Dredgen to follow in his footsteps. I wonder which he’ll turn out to be.
ExAstris- 3130 The Drifter couldn’t be Dredgen Yor, even if he did survive the encounter with Shin Malphur... If you read the Drifter lore cards, Shin Malphur has met the drifter, and voiced his opinions on him. It appears Shin might be using Gambit to draw the Shadows out of hiding and hunts them down. The drifter being referred to as Dredgen would just be because of his possible involvement with the Shadows of Yor.
Sanders 7981 he could be the real yor , the one we hear about in the early d1 and d2 lore could have been another shadow. The drifter is one of the oldest gardians along with saladin the lore really hints that he is someone hiding his true name.
Jhelyssa M. I think it is more likely that the Shadow who aims his Thorn at the Drifter is Dredgen Vale, as Dredgen Vale is a hunter, whereas the Drifter has no class or rather does not belong to any specific class
Was Murmur a weapon of Sorrow? I know it's a weapon fused with Hive tech but it could just be that. It's more like the raid weapons from Crota's End and King's Fall.
He already addressed that issue on his Twitter. It’s just a title. The Drifter is not Dredgen Yor. All of the shadows of Yor have the dredgen title before their name. Like the darth in front of every sith name in the Star Wars universe.
What about Bad Juju? I’d personally consider it as well as Touch of Malice. I know that Toland creates Bad Juju and not the Hive, but Touch of Malice is definitely created by the Hive since he intended it to be given to us
I lean more towards classifying a weapon of sorrow as a weapon ment to corrupt a guardian and pit a guardian against another repeatedly. Ie, Thorn, it will slowly corrupt any guardian to the point of attacking pitting one anainst another eventually. That is how I read/remember the gun being discribed. I could be off though. Thoughts, feelings anybody?
G Alexander Bryant i want to call malfeasance a weapon of sorrow. You had to defeat guardians in order to build it, and the original purpose for the gun was to defeat Shin.
@@CouchEconomyTX And I'd like to add that taken energy is only one step away from hive magic as well, being Oryx controlled them. It stands to reason that some other high ranking hive mau have dabbled in combining the two at one point or another
I think the main clarification about a Weapon Of Sorrow is that (as you stated) it is a weapon born from a hybridization of Hive and their respective opposition’s tech which is then meant to be used in the hands of said opposition. In my mind, this makes the Weapons of Sorrow some of the most interesting weapons in fiction if this the case. Why? Because it’s giving your opponent a powerful boon knowing it will turn them against their own allies and do the work for you. Giving your adversaries a false advantage that in the end works entirely in your favor and depleted their numbers one way or another. That’s my definition of a Weapon Of Sorrow.
Hast thou heard the legend of [Kane] and [Abel], not something I should say but...a guardian [murdering] their ghost is something that gets my gullet watering...O reader mine
Malfeasance is prolly a weapon of sorrow, it's supposed to be Drifters replacement for Thorn. And an Ornament for it makes it look all Taken'y and stuff. It also has a perk to where it's stronger towards Taken; which might lead back to the taken king and D1 if you look hard enough
I think that we should start exploring the idea that Weapons of Sorrow are weapons that feed a wyrm directly, rather than kills being tithed. If we take this into account, it would confirm both ToM and Whisper as weapons of sorrow, and gives us a clearer idea of what their purpose is. Furthermore, if you consider that the idea could have originated from a hive god, then it is consisten with Savathuun's attempt to feed her wyrm through trickery, and to speed up the tithing process. We know both of these goals are supported by the lore, and the Weapons of sorrow fit perfectly into that category as they seem to incite violence in guardians. It also opens up a possible explanation of their origin: crimson and red death. Both use murder to benefit their wielders, and the idea that a Weapon of Sorrow must originate from human sources could be interpreted as "humans gave us the idea." One last point, if you relied on violence to eat, wouldn't it be brilliant to incite violence between two enemies, and gather the food from both sources? Even better, you can send your own forces to kill things, thus feeding yourself, but you could also turn a loss of forces into a food source for yourself. Food for thought. Maybe even a nice topic for a new video.
The bone you see it? Jagged like thorns. I used to think of it as a rose... Focusing on its bloom. But it’s bloom is just a product of its anger... Thorn we can’t wait for you to return to our hands so we can reap the light out of those who dare stand against us 🙏
Whisper and Touch are both Weapons of Sorrow. You don't get much more influential than being directly associated with and touched with the essence of a hive god.
I would say that the Crota weapons were more like prizes where we took the remains of Crota's physical body and slapped it to our weapons, either cuz we had already had Thorn or Bad Juju in our arsenal and merely replicated what we saw. For the Oryx weapons I would say that it's reversed where they were weapons we had, but they were just fully consumed with no intent behind them. Black Hammer and Whisper I might argue are weapons of sorrow, but more from the standpoint of how they were created since chances are high, we wished for more power and got it in Black Hammer when fighting the Taken and with Whisper, it was a crafted weapon from Xol with the same intent as Oryx, but less refined.
I'm pretty sure that the Whisper of the Worm and by extension Touch of Malice don't count as Weapons of Sorrow because their intent isn't to corrupt, but to be used as a weapon that continues the legacy of the sword-logic.
I think you hit it on the head with the line that WoS are meant to corrupt Lightbearers. I think THAT'S the defining characteristic, which may create a few other potential prerequisites; I'd add to your list (or specify the point) that it has to be the weapon of a Lightbearer specifically. Likely even better if it was the weapon of a great hero or someone who provided hope. (I often considered Necrochasm to be Rezzyl's autorifle, Inferno, but I'm reaching on that one.) The Hive bones clearly must carry some of that corruption which slowly and insidiously takes over the mind of the guardian that carries it. That ability to turn hope into despair is, I think, the greatest danger of the Weapons of Sorrow and, in a very Hive-y way, is how said weapons are able to strip away the Light from a guardian: both the one at the end of the barrel, and the one at the end of the grip.
By this logic Byf, Red Death would qualify as a weapon of sorrow. It engages in a guardian’s bloodlust, eventually killing said guardian. Remember, each skull printed on Red Death is an owner it turned against.
I suspect that while the King's Fall weapons are not Weapons of Sorrow by your speculated definitions, I hypothesize that they might be an inverse of that concept of a sorts. Basically, weapons shaped like those more familiar to humans forged by the Hive themselves but maybe not able to kill Guardians definitively like the Thorn could. Perhaps they're like... an appetizer. A preview, perhaps. Like, the Hive smith made them as an offering, like "Hey, since you liked how Necrochasm turned out, try these out. We made them ourselves!"
Maybe there's room for a video on the possibility of Drifter being Yor, perhaps his Ghost returned to him. Just a thought, as the Emissary referring to him as Dredgen seemed to be more than a title. Also, would this mean that a weapon of sorrow could theoretically be made from Rasputin where it that he was corrupted?
I'd argue that the Bad Juju is a lesson of The Sword Logic, much like Touch of Malice. It demands to show that The Sword Logic is real and it's a rule that interacts with the reality that is within the galaxy.
Would the Mindbender’s ambition count as a weapon of sorrow? The Mindbender was himself corrupted by the hive and the gun has hive runes all over it. It’s just a theory but I’m surprised Byf didn’t talk about it.
For me, the weapons of sorrow aren't about corrupting guardians explicitly, like Thorn did to Rezail. It's more about the weapons showing guardians that the sword logic might not be the wrong philosophy, since it makes them so powerful. Making the guardians believe in the sword logic means the hive wins even if they lose, and I think that is more important than any actual corruption.
The shapes on the side of Bad Juju are tetrahedrons seen from above (ie the shape of Motes of Dark, the Triangle Ships, and the theme of darkness in general)
Man... how I miss Touch of Malice... from taken king all the way into D2 I never unequipped the Touch... it was like heavy ammo in the primary slot. Full ornamented warlock crota gear with touch was arguably my favorite experience in destiny. Please... I beg you bungie. Bring the touch back to us...
If any of the raid weapons would be WOS it would be the Crota ones. Many guardians died on the moon during the first assault, and then there is Eris' fireteam. Based on Byf's definition (even though it is a bit fluid) I would imagine that the hive experimented with those weapons just laying around.
The lore of Whisper of the Worm suggests that it might have some similarities to the weapons of sorrow. "A Guardian's power makes a rich feeding ground. Do not be revolted. There are parasites that may benefit the host… teeth sharper than your own." It sounds like it's intended to corrupt whoever wields it. The weapon certainly doesn't look like it was originally human, but the ideology seems to be the same.
I believe the Malfeasance is a Weapon of Sorrow. Simply put Drifter is a follower of Dregan Yor and through the Malfeasance he is trying to corrupt guardians. Hence why he was so pissed at us getting the last word during the Last Word Questline.
Jotunn is a weapon of sorrow. Makes me cry all the time when a guardian is one shot from.death and out comes the hail mary Jotunn
i hate that weapon with a passion. such a no brainer...
worse than shotgun aping
It originally was a human toaster brought into the abyss by a hungry guardian
Really ? I don't find it bad at all, it's GOOD against Apes and Titans not so good in any other fire fights.
Jotunn is dumb, but I am not allowed to complain about it cause I abused it for my Luna’s Howl, and it feels like an extension of my hand and it disgusts me. Haven’t touched it since I got Luna’s
@@NETIERRAS imagine not being able to dodge a slow moving projectile because you dont pay attention to your surroundings
Simple: you ask it "are you sad?"
If it replies yes, then it's a weapon of sorrow.
Carlos Hernandez well your not wrong
@@thesweetbusinessfanclub7072
What about his not wrong?
Carlos Hernandez exactly🙌🙌
Me: Are you sad?
Thorn: Yes.
Me: Oh ok.
Ghost: *Floating there in silence*
Me: Wait...
Im pretty convinced Bad Juju is a weapon of sorrow. Do u guys remember when it said in one of the quest entries; ''whenever you hold this weapon in your hands, your ghost looks... delicious''. Is that not evidence of corruption?
Its an ahamkara fused weapon
@@MaddesG1 its not lmao tf
@@MaddesG1 is the skull on the front that of an ahamkara's?
@@slimdavy543 That's just a skin you get. The default is the bird head.
Yeah I’m pretty sure bad juju is a weapon of sorrow made from the understanding that Toland had of the hive, it’s built from his schematics that he left behind
No one cared who I was until I picked up the Thorn
-Dredgen Bane
Nobody at the penis like Amanda - cause 6
Alright Mavericks! You ready to see what you’re watchin’ today.
LORE VIDEO ON THE HORIZON!
lol
My hero
I now want to see Drifter in Logan Paul's Maverick merch
Alright alright alright let's see what we got HIVE BRING A SWORD
It's been so long since I've heard the name necrochasm.
NeverGonnaGetTheAnarchy aww the memories before they nerfed Nerco🤬🤬🤬
Ah yes, one of the most disappointing weapons back in the first Destiny game.
That gun was soooooo much fun! I hated than damn white gun you got before getting the crux of crota
I really hope they bring it back in D2 sometime
it'd be cool to get another weapon that you have to hone using the sword logic. maybe a sword that regens ammo on every kill?
Byf is drooling at the Vidoc
Not the only one...
"Dredgen"
I about lost it when the Emissary called him that
Corey Malone same... im still shook
@@jakespacepiratee3740 yea and he was also a "hunter" at one point. Just saying that anything is possible given the current changes to this specific story. The time periods are the biggest issue not necessarily the original story told since that's already changed. Though tbh it's likely as Myelin and some have already said and that it's just that he adopted it as a title like the other Shadows of Yor.
I don't see what's so surprising, even us guardians have dredgen titles, so it should be obvious that Drifter, who is a person that stepped between light and dark, would have the title as well.
Is Necrochasm Rezyl Azir's auto rifle? In Byf's video about The Last Word and Thorn, he said that when Rezyl fought the Hive on the moon, he started with a rifle before tossing it aside in favor of Rose. I'm not sure how much of what Byf said is direct from grimoire cards or is made up for the sake of the story, but assuming Rezyl did literally toss his rifle aside, then it would have just been sitting there. And in Necrochasm's grimoire card, it states that it was made from an ancient Guardian's rifle. I can't help but see a connection there.
J.R. Grant That may actually be true, good theory
J.R. Grant it’s all in the grimore
This is a very good theory, and I definitely agree there seems to be a connection
may you, or anyone, explain what “Rose” is? never fully understood it, except that it has something to do with thorn.
@@kaza2185 In short, Rose was Thorn before Thorn was Hive-ified. Thorn was created by Rezyl grafting Hive bones onto Rose, and then those bones slowly corrupting Rose into Thorn.
Hey I just realized something. Byf, you know the world the consul was exiled on? It’s said in the lore that the planet was a desert of pure white. You know the planet that the trials of the nine takes place on and where the new season of the drifter activity takes place? It is, without a doubt, a desert of pure white. Do you think the planet that calus cleared is actually the planet that the nine are currently using?
Please like this so people can see
I feel like a lot of people in the comments forgot that Dredgen is now a title. We have Dredgen Vale, and Dredgen Bane, and they’re Shadows of Yor. They call themselves Dredgen as a sort of symbol, not that they’ve embraced the darkness, but that they definitely have no problem killing guardians of it means gaining strength. The Drifter is called Dredgen because he is one of the Shadows, just like Byf and several others assumed. Is he Dredgen Yor, most likely not, but I mean, hey we all assumed we’d never see Uldren’s stupid face again
And just like we thought there were other warminds beside rasputin.
@@paulohenriquelima4761 That's more of a retcon but I guess it still works
@@bible91 I mean, in the case of the drifter being yor it wouldn't be a retcon but it would feel just as cheap to me. "Hey guys, you know that dude who went all bad boy killing other guardians and consuming their light and shit? He's back, funnier than ever, has his own game mode, and you have been talking to him without knowing for about 6 months now" :/
Paulo Henrique Lima like I said, it’s a very small chance, it’s most likely because he was a Shadow of Yor, who all love calling themselves Dredgen.....in hindsight I probably could’ve compared them to Beleibers (Beiber fans)...but with darker clothes and spooky guns
@@bible91 oh don't get me wrong, I don't believe he is yor. However it does make me curious to know more about him and his relation to the nine. That's gonna be one lore heavy expansion '-'
Those trying to replicate Thorn to permanently kill Guardians are just trying to be Laughing Coffin but y'all not ready to have this conversation.
Jesus Christ there Sao
Maybe Thorn is a Type 54 Black Star with some upgrades?
bruh it basically shots poisend daggers so my weapon dude
Until you realise the truth about the shadows of yor
Yes...i am fully prepared
Last time I was this early Cayde wasn't the hunter vanguard.
I mean.... He isn't anymore.
Cody Guerrero oof
Wait so if I killed guy who killed him does that make me hunter Vanguard?
His ass got murdered like a bitch.
TheArQu yup and thus uldren is the new vanguard
"ill do my math after this one bobby duke video"
*finishes video*
*byf uploads*
"dammit"
update: i finished
I Would love that weapons and armor have the detail of, whispering things... like the ahamkara armor, giving us whispers now and then, making us believe that we are mad or imagining things... calling our name and stuff like that.
Out of all of my late rewatch of this little series on Thorn/Last Word/Lumina, I am most pleased by the fact that you bank 5 motes to get First to Block.
Seriously, people hold on to motes way too much.
Perfect time for this byf, season of the drifter literally right around the corner!
It's almost like... He planned it. :O
@@Xarkom89 :o
The drifter has the book, go behind him and activate your ghost so that's how it shows
I think that whisper constitutes as a weapon of sorrow. It fills all the categories, except maybe human made, but it has the same purpose as the other two we know.
Something i would enjoy is that , whem we make the choice between the vanguard and drifter. is that we speak for whenever we choose drifter
And the ghost speaks for when we choose the vanguard
Damn Byf, you make some of the coolest videos. Putting together all these pieces of lore is invaluable to the community. Thanks.
By definition destiny’s comp playlist is a weapon of sorrow
Now I understand why the year 3 version of necrochasm was my baby in destiny 1’s crucible. In destiny one I primarily used necrochasm and did really well with it even though the meta was clearly elsewhere. The weapon and I did amazing things such as my highest kill streak in any pvp game of 19 kills. (I realize that is small compared to a lot of people but it was cool for me.) In fact during the kill streak I actually lost count and I have to wonder if my necrochasm guided my hands in the past. I love that weapon and I miss how alive it felt.
Imagine if the ace of spades or last word got turned into a weapons of sorrow
Thorn
That would ruin the meaning of last word
Fully automatic thorn. A corrupted last word would just be a fully automatic thorn.
Joe Brother And? Wasn’t rose a beautiful weapon wielded to help and protect many people before it was turned into thorn
@@mofstar8683 spitting facts
It has always been my belief that when it comes to guns such as Grasp of Malok and the Crota’s End guns (and maybe Black Spindle, etc.), they are likely human weapons that Guardians have attached Hive chitin/relics onto in an effort to infuse their power into the weapon.
All of those people who think Drifter is Yor
Are you guys alright?
Alright?
Alright...
ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT
@@RoachDoggJR4200 Let's see what we got
@@Ozilus21 Idiots who think I'm Yor on the field!
oof
Lore that was mined says he is a Dredgen named Dredgen Hope and Shin Malfur is also a Shadow/Dredgen tho he became so to kill Yor i think. Also if u read into the bames of the Dredgens and even Shin Malfurs Dredgen name from the data mined lore u see is that it somewhat makes sense. the Drifter Dredgen name is interesting as it is Hope and the word hope is major and has definitions that dont really fit his character unless he actually is the better of the evil within the group of the Shadows of Yor. We dont know what his true motives are and I think when we find out more this season it will still not be enough.
New Byf video!!!! Best part of my day! Already listened to the thorn last word one like 3 times. Favorite story in destiny.
Couldn't you just say that Weapons of Sorrow are just weapons typically made by destruction with the intent of solely destruction? Thorn robs people of their light, the raid weapons are either linked directly to Hive use or was made using the Hive's understanding of darkness, or in some cases were meant to corrupt indefinitely and destroy the user(Touch of Malice.)
To me, it seems more accurate that the term "Weapons of Sorrow" is meant to be a counter to how guardians typically are. We usually use weapons to either destroy those who would do humanity harm, or to sharpen our fangs in the crucible for fights to come. Weapons of Sorrow, in this context, would have a more clear meaning: They are weapons that bring about sorrow because the intent lying behind them isn't always(or in some cases EVER) about aiding humanity or protecting others.
Weapons of Sorrow are human weapons infused with Hive magic. That's the most basic way to put it.
Maaaan I just gotta say this to the void real quick. It's so fun and rewarding to grind for exotics and come hear to learn about them from Lore Master Byf. I've been grinding the hell out of the Drifter Lore and I'm in the home stretch of getting the Dredgen title. Sure it's arguably one of the easier ones, but I'm having so much fun with Destiny right now.
The Book of Unmaking is a super interesting read. It describes how the Shadows are trying to utilize the darkness to craft weapons that can be used against it. The advent of the tetrahedron ships is looming on the horizon and with all the talk of choosing a side even if it is the wrong one, I can only assume that guardians may need to craft the weapons to survive the impending attack. I'm so excited about season of the Drifter because of the storyline potential!
If I remember the Bad Juju perks correctly; kills a) instantly reload the weapon, b) increase the weapon’s damage output and c) charge your super. The more you kill, the stronger you are......isn’t that the sword logic in a nutshell?
Bad Juju was Toland's attempt to copy them. But it isn't an actual weapon of sorrow.
When you finish the Last Word quest and talk to the Drifter, it gives you every stage of “The Book of Unmaking” (the lore set, you can find it in triumphs, lore, the darkness, you’ll see it). And as Byf mentioned, the weapons of sorrow are made with the instruction of the book of unmaking. The Last Word doesn’t looked very hive-ish but why else would the instruction manual for making the weapons of sorrow be unlocked?
Likely to go and make Thorn, the antithesis of The Last Word. Sure, it could be construed as a Weapon of Sorrow if you decided to take a stance and say WoS are those that have permanently killed guardians, which is sort of what I argue on behalf of--yet that depends on if you can really call Dredgen Yor/Rezzyl Azir a guardian anymore
I wish Hawkmoon had more lore, it was my first and has always been my favorite exotic of all time. I wanna see it D2
All Right All Right All Right let's see what we've got....
Byf on the Horizon
Gonna be honest, at first I wasn't going to watch this because I thought I knew all about the Weapons of Sorrow (I love this bit of lore and am really excited to learn more about the Drifter's days as a Shadow of Yor). But I didn't realise that the Malfeasance that I'm grinding for (need Gambit wins, really hard when half your teammates are friggin' bots) wasn't technically a Weapon of Sorrow. Thank you for this video and a chance to learn more about this interesting universe Byf!
"A side should always be taken little light. Even if it is the wrong side."
after the vidoc im choosing the drifter.
Just wanted to say something real quick. In general I don't like comment videos about games I enjoy playing. I actively dislike almost all of the popular Destiny 2 videos I've been made to watch/listen to because my friends watch them while I'm around. But your videos are actually very well done. I enjoy your perspectives even when I disagree and I really like your takes on the lore and how you present them.
Side note, your voice is awesome too, but that's not why this is the only Destiny channel I've ever watched of my own free will, let alone subscribed to.
Some people believe the Necrochasm is the auto rifle that Rezzyl Azzir lost in the grimoire.
It would be nice if they had some explanation of what happened to nechrochasm and the touch of malice. They're both incredibly powerful weapons and I feel that they wouldn't have been merely lost during the red war. Someone must've found them
Is anyone else only really playing season of the drifter with the goal of figuring out what’s going on with uldren
.....that means we get to kill him permanently again with thorn...im in
DragonKnight90001 or since he can come back we can kill him as many times as we want
Biracial Hunter .....or uldren gets thorn, then it’ll be shin malphur v dredgen yore but us (the guardian) as shin and uldren as dredgen
@@biracialhunter5103 Then you'll be disappointed. Uldren won't play a major role till Y3.
@TheGamesv Bungie themselves. They tweeted something about it awhile ago. They said Uldren would take a backseat for the Annual Pass.
Touch of malace is quite the revese of a weapon of sorrow, it was the elements of hive that humans took and then placed their art of war on
You guys excited for thorn i hope its as good as the last word
Hope it's better
@@sdorsain85 like D1 year 1 good 🤣😂
I'm hoping it does not have as hard milestones as the last word did with the crucible
@@DuskShadowclaw last word was the easiest quest ever. If you're referring to the PvP portion, Last Word is a 1000% PvP weapon. It is not a Pve weapon what so ever and has zero perks to be useful. Of course there has to be PvP involved. Same goes with thorn.
D1LLDozZer135 That 2 tap and then you just let their health tick away...that was op
One worth mentioning is the Red Death, referred to by Aunor I in the 2nd or 3rd encrypted communication that we've received so far from them. It isn't strictly hive related, but it has confirmed guardian kills past the point of resurrecting which I would see as makings of a Weapon of Sorrow.
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..... I just get one giant fuzzy pixel
after all this time i still get goosebumps every time with that outro, man. every time.
Kind of wish we had a weapon that seemed like it was a pure light weapon but turned out to be a Weapon of Sorrow.
A Salty One Golden Gun? Makes me sad half the time
Me from the future with lumina
As far as the theory of spreading corruption through Guardian ranks. It reminds me of a tactic used by certain spec ops groups in Vietnam. When coming across enemy weapon and ammunition caches, rather than destroy them, the spec ops guys would seed tampered rounds and weapons in the cache. The weapons were designed to be able to fire a few rounds and then suffer a catastrophic failure maiming or killing the user. The ammunition was designed to do that to a weapon that had not been tampered with.
like the drifter said
we are insane punks who will play both sides
a challenge I gladly accept
Oh too true if duel wield was available for exotics, in one hand thorn in the other last word
@@DragonKnight90001 that would be awesome
"A side should always be taken, even if it's the wrong one."
Byf still out here making the BEST Lore videos!
I feel very Thorny right now 🥵🥵🥵
I feel horny tho
In my mind, a weapon of sorrow is a weapon that twists the weilder and either feeds off the weilder, or what it kills. A hungry weapon, if you will.
Threatening the legendary Dredgen Yor with his own cursed weapon is an exciting prospect... but he may not be Dredgen *Yor.* He could be another of the shadows who took on the name of Dredgen to follow in his footsteps. I wonder which he’ll turn out to be.
I wanted to ask byf what he thought about that. I really think hes yor and I felt that way since they introduced him.
ExAstris- 3130 The Drifter couldn’t be Dredgen Yor, even if he did survive the encounter with Shin Malphur... If you read the Drifter lore cards, Shin Malphur has met the drifter, and voiced his opinions on him. It appears Shin might be using Gambit to draw the Shadows out of hiding and hunts them down. The drifter being referred to as Dredgen would just be because of his possible involvement with the Shadows of Yor.
Sanders 7981 he could be the real yor , the one we hear about in the early d1 and d2 lore could have been another shadow. The drifter is one of the oldest gardians along with saladin the lore really hints that he is someone hiding his true name.
I think he could be Dredgen Vale, one of the founders of the Shadows.
Jhelyssa M. I think it is more likely that the Shadow who aims his Thorn at the Drifter is Dredgen Vale, as Dredgen Vale is a hunter, whereas the Drifter has no class or rather does not belong to any specific class
Something you might like, the brand new chaperone ornament is called the Panama ravine. Implying the Panama canal is RIP right now
Byf you forgot Murmur.
Was Murmur a weapon of Sorrow? I know it's a weapon fused with Hive tech but it could just be that. It's more like the raid weapons from Crota's End and King's Fall.
@@elitegamer9310 Yeah I'm just saying its a possibility, and he didn't mention it.
The Chief i forgot about that fusion rifle
Thought this too. Could it have be,moved to Eris, and corrupted while she was stuck in the hell mouth.
@@BoxlessThought My theory as well.
Leaving me on the edge of my seat Byf! Ughhh I can't wait until the next video! I need it now!
Jokes on you Byf Shin is Dredgen Vale.
the sword logic bearing its way into a guardians brain seems to be the key factor in what a weapon of sorrow is
Byf. Will you be talking about the whole trailer from bungie where the Nine agent calls the drifter Dredgen?
Seems more likely that for reactions, his Twitter would be ideal, but for proper analysis it's better to wait for the DLC itself for full context.
He already addressed that issue on his Twitter. It’s just a title. The Drifter is not Dredgen Yor. All of the shadows of Yor have the dredgen title before their name. Like the darth in front of every sith name in the Star Wars universe.
Dredgen is a title, not a person. He isn't Yor.
What's he gonna say? Lmao. We all knew he ran with the Shadows. It's not that big of a reveal.
Sadly realized that after looking at more Lore hahaha
What about Bad Juju?
I’d personally consider it as well as Touch of Malice. I know that Toland creates Bad Juju and not the Hive, but Touch of Malice is definitely created by the Hive since he intended it to be given to us
Last time I was this early I caught her cheating. Then she left and took the kids.
Fecking Karen
Weapon of sorrow confirmed.
Glad to not see anthem vids missed destiny stuff ,more please
I lean more towards classifying a weapon of sorrow as a weapon ment to corrupt a guardian and pit a guardian against another repeatedly. Ie, Thorn, it will slowly corrupt any guardian to the point of attacking pitting one anainst another eventually. That is how I read/remember the gun being discribed. I could be off though. Thoughts, feelings anybody?
G Alexander Bryant i want to call malfeasance a weapon of sorrow.
You had to defeat guardians in order to build it, and the original purpose for the gun was to defeat Shin.
@@CouchEconomyTX And I'd like to add that taken energy is only one step away from hive magic as well, being Oryx controlled them. It stands to reason that some other high ranking hive mau have dabbled in combining the two at one point or another
I think the main clarification about a Weapon Of Sorrow is that (as you stated) it is a weapon born from a hybridization of Hive and their respective opposition’s tech which is then meant to be used in the hands of said opposition.
In my mind, this makes the Weapons of Sorrow some of the most interesting weapons in fiction if this the case. Why? Because it’s giving your opponent a powerful boon knowing it will turn them against their own allies and do the work for you. Giving your adversaries a false advantage that in the end works entirely in your favor and depleted their numbers one way or another.
That’s my definition of a Weapon Of Sorrow.
"What are weapons of sorrow?"
Well if you into a emo kid's room, you will find plenty of them
A byf video under 20 minutes? Impossible.
Would the bad juju pulse rifle count as a weapon of sorrow?
I think it would
I think it is since it was a byproduct of tolands corrupt ideas and research of the hive and their sword logic.
Did you watch the video?
It's theorized to be a failed weapon of sorrow.
@@michaelhenry3234 I wouldn't be suprised if it was a failed weapon.
Hast thou heard the legend of [Kane] and [Abel], not something I should say but...a guardian [murdering] their ghost is something that gets my gullet watering...O reader mine
Too bad Shin Malphur is Dredgen Vale...
Travelers Chosen (damaged) is a weapon of sorrow. It not just only kills guardians it makes them deeinstall...
Jesus finally another destiny video. Enough with Anthem
Good to see you rocking that well deserved lens of fate emblem
His Lored and Savior has come. Byf has returned!
Loving your lore bro Byf. It makes our game more interesting and gives it some Different elements and ways to interact
Malfeasance is prolly a weapon of sorrow, it's supposed to be Drifters replacement for Thorn. And an Ornament for it makes it look all Taken'y and stuff. It also has a perk to where it's stronger towards Taken; which might lead back to the taken king and D1 if you look hard enough
I think that we should start exploring the idea that Weapons of Sorrow are weapons that feed a wyrm directly, rather than kills being tithed. If we take this into account, it would confirm both ToM and Whisper as weapons of sorrow, and gives us a clearer idea of what their purpose is. Furthermore, if you consider that the idea could have originated from a hive god, then it is consisten with Savathuun's attempt to feed her wyrm through trickery, and to speed up the tithing process. We know both of these goals are supported by the lore, and the Weapons of sorrow fit perfectly into that category as they seem to incite violence in guardians.
It also opens up a possible explanation of their origin: crimson and red death. Both use murder to benefit their wielders, and the idea that a Weapon of Sorrow must originate from human sources could be interpreted as "humans gave us the idea."
One last point, if you relied on violence to eat, wouldn't it be brilliant to incite violence between two enemies, and gather the food from both sources? Even better, you can send your own forces to kill things, thus feeding yourself, but you could also turn a loss of forces into a food source for yourself.
Food for thought. Maybe even a nice topic for a new video.
Love that we are getting more lore.
Drifter calls the last word a weapon of sorrow too as you complete the quest chain.
Just watched as I got Thorn last week. Now working toward the Necrotic Grip Gaunlet.
The bone you see it?
Jagged like thorns.
I used to think of it as a rose...
Focusing on its bloom.
But it’s bloom is just a product of its anger...
Thorn we can’t wait for you to return to our hands so we can reap the light out of those who dare stand against us 🙏
Whisper and Touch are both Weapons of Sorrow. You don't get much more influential than being directly associated with and touched with the essence of a hive god.
I would say that the Crota weapons were more like prizes where we took the remains of Crota's physical body and slapped it to our weapons, either cuz we had already had Thorn or Bad Juju in our arsenal and merely replicated what we saw. For the Oryx weapons I would say that it's reversed where they were weapons we had, but they were just fully consumed with no intent behind them. Black Hammer and Whisper I might argue are weapons of sorrow, but more from the standpoint of how they were created since chances are high, we wished for more power and got it in Black Hammer when fighting the Taken and with Whisper, it was a crafted weapon from Xol with the same intent as Oryx, but less refined.
I'm pretty sure that the Whisper of the Worm and by extension Touch of Malice don't count as Weapons of Sorrow because their intent isn't to corrupt, but to be used as a weapon that continues the legacy of the sword-logic.
I think you hit it on the head with the line that WoS are meant to corrupt Lightbearers. I think THAT'S the defining characteristic, which may create a few other potential prerequisites; I'd add to your list (or specify the point) that it has to be the weapon of a Lightbearer specifically. Likely even better if it was the weapon of a great hero or someone who provided hope. (I often considered Necrochasm to be Rezzyl's autorifle, Inferno, but I'm reaching on that one.)
The Hive bones clearly must carry some of that corruption which slowly and insidiously takes over the mind of the guardian that carries it. That ability to turn hope into despair is, I think, the greatest danger of the Weapons of Sorrow and, in a very Hive-y way, is how said weapons are able to strip away the Light from a guardian: both the one at the end of the barrel, and the one at the end of the grip.
By this logic Byf, Red Death would qualify as a weapon of sorrow. It engages in a guardian’s bloodlust, eventually killing said guardian. Remember, each skull printed on Red Death is an owner it turned against.
I suspect that while the King's Fall weapons are not Weapons of Sorrow by your speculated definitions, I hypothesize that they might be an inverse of that concept of a sorts. Basically, weapons shaped like those more familiar to humans forged by the Hive themselves but maybe not able to kill Guardians definitively like the Thorn could. Perhaps they're like... an appetizer. A preview, perhaps. Like, the Hive smith made them as an offering, like "Hey, since you liked how Necrochasm turned out, try these out. We made them ourselves!"
Maybe there's room for a video on the possibility of Drifter being Yor, perhaps his Ghost returned to him. Just a thought, as the Emissary referring to him as Dredgen seemed to be more than a title. Also, would this mean that a weapon of sorrow could theoretically be made from Rasputin where it that he was corrupted?
Thanatos Draco it’s pretty obvious by now that drifter is yor. Still surprised there hasn’t been a lore video on that yet
I'd argue that the Bad Juju is a lesson of The Sword Logic, much like Touch of Malice. It demands to show that The Sword Logic is real and it's a rule that interacts with the reality that is within the galaxy.
Would the Mindbender’s ambition count as a weapon of sorrow? The Mindbender was himself corrupted by the hive and the gun has hive runes all over it. It’s just a theory but I’m surprised Byf didn’t talk about it.
For me, the weapons of sorrow aren't about corrupting guardians explicitly, like Thorn did to Rezail. It's more about the weapons showing guardians that the sword logic might not be the wrong philosophy, since it makes them so powerful. Making the guardians believe in the sword logic means the hive wins even if they lose, and I think that is more important than any actual corruption.
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Dang it byf you feed me this 4 days before the next season and I love and hate it keep up the great work (and that sexy voice)
The shapes on the side of Bad Juju are tetrahedrons seen from above (ie the shape of Motes of Dark, the Triangle Ships, and the theme of darkness in general)
Man... how I miss Touch of Malice... from taken king all the way into D2 I never unequipped the Touch... it was like heavy ammo in the primary slot. Full ornamented warlock crota gear with touch was arguably my favorite experience in destiny. Please... I beg you bungie. Bring the touch back to us...
If any of the raid weapons would be WOS it would be the Crota ones. Many guardians died on the moon during the first assault, and then there is Eris' fireteam. Based on Byf's definition (even though it is a bit fluid) I would imagine that the hive experimented with those weapons just laying around.
The lore of Whisper of the Worm suggests that it might have some similarities to the weapons of sorrow.
"A Guardian's power makes a rich feeding ground. Do not be revolted. There are parasites that may benefit the host… teeth sharper than your own."
It sounds like it's intended to corrupt whoever wields it. The weapon certainly doesn't look like it was originally human, but the ideology seems to be the same.
I believe the Malfeasance is a Weapon of Sorrow. Simply put Drifter is a follower of Dregan Yor and through the Malfeasance he is trying to corrupt guardians. Hence why he was so pissed at us getting the last word during the Last Word Questline.
*MY BABY THORN IS COMING HOME, WOO!*
Also did anyone else have any sudden nightmare flashback to the Necrospasm spam in D1?
Lol i put you on when its nap/bed time for my kids my 5 year old son loves the books of sarrow now
Been looking forward to this since he posted today! Time to sit back n chill to some BYF content
Raze lighter, dark drinker, and bolt caster don’t technically count as weapons of sorrow it has hive influence and human craftsmen-ship
A weapon of hope? Something like that? I dunno
Finalllyyy got the last word idfk how it took this long but it's fucking amazing