Addressing my VoicePlay video from yesterday that received a ton of backlash..
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I want to re-add my perspective to the mix as a VoicePlay patron, fellow reactor, AND someone who has my own Patreon.
The clip itself was not problematic to me. Every reason Brad gave for justifying the clip, I agreed with. And also, each of those reasons are COMPLETELY irrelevant. It literally does not matter at all how justified the action is, *because it is not his decision to make*. It’s also not my decision to make, which is why the fact that I actually agree with Brad is equally irrelevant to this conversation.
The only singular point I was trying to make is that no one has the authority to green light the sharing of exclusive content EXCEPT the people who made the content. Full stop. The subject matter, the amount of time passed, it’s all completely irrelevant. The only people who can decide when exclusive content can be shared, is the creator themselves. No one else has that authority, no matter how justified.
I hope people are able to take this comment in the constructive and educational tone it is intended. I know it’s hard to receive tone over text, and I promise any animosity you might try to read is unintentional. And I also hope my comment does not get deleted, like every other critical comment did yesterday. Respect creators y’all. Peace and love 💙
Like you said that’s for voiceplay to yay or nay. That being said I hate online police. It doesn’t hurt anyone so why are people freaking out. Too much time on the computer is a bad thing.
@@heinz57channel39 No one’s freaking out, we’re only asking that the creator’s privacy request is expected. If you agree that only VoicePlay can make that decision, then you should agree with our original criticism.
I have to disagree. On social media there is no such thing as exclusive content. If you are saying something in front of a camera that is recording you and you choose to upload that content you have to assume that everyone can see it. Exclusive content is phrase that is put out by creators to entice the public to contribute to them monetarily and for fans of creators to feel like they are getting something special that not everyone else has. There is no privacy on the internet that is something for person to person conversations and relationships. If you post something assume that everyone can and will see it.
@@docholliday7959 “There’s no such thing as movie prices, because people can just pirate the movies online. Movie prices are just made up to entice people into spending money and make people feel like they’re getting content that other people aren’t”
^ That’s about as logical as your argument. Are people capable of reposting content? Yes, obviously. Does that mean that privacy doesn’t exist and that charging for content is pointless? No. And does the fact that people are physically capable of reposting content, mean that they have the right to? Absolutely not.
If it helps Brad I have no idea what this video is about and truly don't give a crap LOL.
Brad, you're obviously a great guy - recognizing that you might have taken it too far with your replies to comments is awesome. It seems like you still don't get why the backlash came in so hard, though. I don't think most people were being toxic or Karens, as some commentors here have accused. For some context, there have been a lot of leaks from Patreon exclusive content into the public lately, stuff that VP never meant to go public, and so now some of the fans are jumping on those leaks. You posted that video at kind of a bad time. Honestly, when in doubt doing what you're doing now by asking the exclusive content holder's permission to post is just the right thing to do imo. Would you consider letting people know VP's response one way or the other? If they're cool with it being posted, that'll quiet the naysayers. If they're not then that would be instructive for anyone else looking to post similar kind of things.
People just get too angry over small things.
Well said.
In my opinion, Patreon content is intended to be exclusive to Patreon which is why you pay for it. If something is posted to a free/open social network (i.e. Facebook, Twitter, RUclips) then it is free to be shared to other social media sites. If people can share stuff from Patreon content freely then that is less incentive for others to join. Although your post may have only been a small clip, if anyone were allowed to share a "small clip" 90% of their content would no longer be Patreon exclusive.
I watched that a couple months ago. Geoff brought you up cause they were talking about riffs. Using your intro as an example
We are only human that means we tend to make mistakes some more than others but at the end of the day what matters is what we learn from them but it takes courage to admit them I hope things work out with you and vp Brad and one thing I've learned is that we are only of the flesh and the flesh can be tempted to do anything but don't let the spirit falter
The internet is a strange place. There are no set rules, only a sort of etiquette that almost everyone has their own definitions of anyway.
Personally, unless VP themselves ask you to remove that Patreon content, I would ignore the haters,they are probably jealous that you got a mention and they didn't. VP are really the only ones who have the right to ask that you remove it, only they hold the copyright, anyone else is just making a big issue of something that they probably don't even understand themselves.
Quite honestly, I would go pre-emptive and talk to VP, ask them if they would want you to remove it or not, then comply with their wishes, that would diffuse a lot of the comments immediately.
It's really so sad that people feel the need to lash out at others like this over such a trivial matter though, it really does show how sad this world is becoming.
Are you sure you haven't uploaded that clip those years ago too? Because I explicitly remember seeing a clip of Voiceplay guys shouting you out. Perhaps it was just a tiny snippet you put in one of your earlier reactions in 2020, but I do remember that vividly. So idk why anyone would get mad at that now lmao
I think you're talking about this one. He shares the clip at the beginning of this reaction;
ruclips.net/video/THdq5E2Y32s/видео.html&t
@@OfficialLeoEdits Yup, must've been that one. Thanks!
@@Kamarovsky_KCM np:)
He mentioned them talking about him on their podcast at the beginning of his reaction to their cover of Tennessee Whiskey and showed a brief clip. Probably isn't the same thing though.
what a mess. I saw yesterday's vid and thought it was fine.... except, from the way you presented it, I thought it was a recent endorsement, and it's not. That feels a little squishy to me in this fast-changing world. As a person listening to that, I would react differently thinking it was new (as I did) than if I'd known it was 2 years old. I don't know or pretend to know the ethical rules around this sort of thing, but I trust that you weren't trying to act inappropriately. It leaves you open to question, though, from multiple perspectives, and that makes me wonder 'was it worth it?' Would you do it again?
Why would it matter if it was 2 years old rather then new?
@@ShyAnn291 When I initially listened to it, it felt to me like it was presented with excitement as "wow, look, VP gave me a shout out" Nothing inaccurate except the vibe suggesting that it was news. Like I said, it's a fast-changing world. I felt like congratulating Brad and felt the excitement - but now it feels - just like more commercial hype. Does it matter? Only if you're trying to build a "family" of people who interact as "friends." Doing that requires trust. My intention isn't to blast Brad for this - it's a tempest in a teapot and it'll blow over. My intention is to confirm that, at least to some of his subscribers, it felt disingenuous. It's his decision about what to do with that information - toss it or think about it.
@@Aurora-cv5to I never thought your intention was to blast him.
I don't think you should have to apologize for someone else giving you credit or recognition.
That's absurd.
Getting heated and having words with individuals is also human.
You're not a robot, bud. You've earned the position you're in.
Just my 0 cents (cuz I’m broke): the only people whose thoughts on your posting the video matter are the members of Voiceplay. My guess? They don’t mind, but I’m not an expert on how they feel about anything. Me? I think it’s cool they gave you a shoutout, and I totally get how it feels to feel like people are jumping down your throat and how easy it is to rise up in your own defense and regret it later. Props for owning it and you’re cool. I hope VP tells you to post so I can see it.
They clearly appreciate reactors and reaction channels, so I don’t see why they’d get mad.
Voiceplay has actually asked of their patrons to NOT publicly post any images, clips, gifs or spoilers from their Patreon content. So yes, they do mind. Most people who commented about this on that video simply told him that he was not allowed to share Patreon content publicly. Only one or two got heated about it, the others just simply stated he wasn't allowed to do it.
This is the second time Brad has posted that clip without permission, the first time 2 years ago. It's a simple matter of respect to an artist to not go against their wishes when it comes to content they have created.
@@huldradraco absolutely agree. They just once again asked everyone to keep exclusive content exclusive. I find it troubling that people even have to be asked to do that. If VP said yeah OK that’s fine that’s one thing. But sharing exclusion content without permission is not OK.
The only ones who had/have any say about whether that was ok would be the members of VoicePlay. Everyone else can pound sand. There are obviously people who will whine about anything and the best thing to do is give them back radio silence. If you argue with a fool, others hearing it may not be able to tell which is which.
Except you realize that was everyone’s point yesterday right? No one was saying “you shouldn’t be allowed to post this” they were saying “you can’t post this without VoicePlay’s permission”. Because you’re right, the only ones who have any say ARE VoicePlay, which is why posting it in the first place was wrong… that was literally everyone’s point
Hey Brad! You know I love you ♥️ but ... you're beginning to sound somewhat like a politician, and I don't think that's a good thing. First of all, I watched your vid yesterday, and I liked it; based on the format, I figured it was from one of VP's patron web-chats, and I didn't even bother to check if VP had made it public or not. C'mon! it was just a clip, not the whole chat, anyway!
I don't see the need for you to apologize for it! I know you're growing your channel, but nobody can please everybody! If anything, the fact that you were attacked somehow shows you're becoming more of a celebrity in the reactors field, be proud, not apologetic! I think you need to be yourself, and do what you feel comfortable with, and not worry so much about what everybody thinks. Keep up the great work, and keep going!!
Btw, I believe the VP boys are pretty busy these days, and they might not see your message. But I'm pretty sure they won't object to it 😍
Thanks for being around, Brad! 😍
Was it right of you to post that video? No. Was it totally understandable because its a flipping shout out from voiceplay? Hell yes. It was totally the right reaction to take it down right away and contact the boys. Mistakes happen, its important to own up to them.
Best comment!
You’re a good dude by my estimation Brad. I don’t see anything wrong with what you did. More power to you and the people you love.
Edit: BTW a Patreon shoutout definitely counts. 😊
VoicePlay fans are extremely loyal and clearly protective. I haven't yet seen your posting of yesterday but from the sounds of it I would not react harshly. We all need to act - and react - with kindness, whatever we think. I'm sorry you had such a negative response, there's no need for that kind of beheaviour.
It was a harmless share. You thought it was cool and you posted it cuz you thought it was nice that they gave you a shout out and that they knew who you are. Some people need to get a grip and that's my opinion. It was awesome Brad. No doubt about it
I agree with this!
I agree with this as well. There was nothing harmful done. I sincerely doubt Voiceplay has a problem with it. People DO need to chill out. 🙌
I’m sorry you had to go through that man… I am also in the patreon and when I saw your video I thought it was awesome. In all group there will be fans that take things to seriously… you didn’t post the whole thing… just the part where they mentioned your channel… unfortunately those fans ruin the reputation of group they are supporting… it’s embarrassing… I’m sure VP won’t have a problem with it… I hope you have a great rest of your day/night!
I think a Shout-out is cool. Being over a year from the posting in Patreon shouldn't be a problem unless stated otherwise. I see Patreon as a premium member connection for prerelease and behind-the-scenes information (of the moment). If you want to believe it is absolute exclussive archives for paying members only and not to be talked about to those "non-members" in society, well that would be a bummer. I think the artists are excited to express more to those who help them monitarily. I would think the trickle down affect would happen through Patreon members knowdgable comments so that things will be leaked. Some people might even feel the 'Need For Speed' to be the fist person to comment about some new information. I think this items context is about time. This is an much older subject matter. Should it have been just a comment stated by Brad instead of the actual clip? Sorry, I would be excited too and desire to post the actual truth rather than hinting at something not seen. So, let the replies roll in. I'll try to check in sometime next week.
Wow I didn't know about this I'm so sorry this happened to you, I love voiceplay but the fandom can be toxic sometimes as with standard fandoms I think that's cool that you posted a video of them talking about you and I wish I would've seen that , and to the people don't let this ruin your image of voiceplay they are still the best acapella group I've ever heard it's not their fault it's the fandom separate the artist and their fans.
I don't think anyone was being toxic from what I remember in the comments. People just disagreed with a clip from their private Patreon webchat being shared publically without the group's permission. Brad's asking them now, which I think is the right step. Disagreeing does not equal toxic.
I knew we’d have problems when I saw the titans logo over the Silver and Black. Aside from that I enjoy who you are and how it plays
DO YOU
So the rich were really upset that those peasants got to see something from a patreon posting? Reminds me of golf country club members.
I have the opposite reaction since it was a shout-out for you from one of the musical groups you cover and not even content sharing. I really doubt it was Voiceplay's intention that that be kept hush hush.
There was a similar thing with an on-line concert and meet & greet Avi Kaplan did in the middle of the pandemic lockdown when he could first get together with his band members again after months of quarantine. It had had alot of trouble with the original transmission and paying customers didn't even get to see what they had paid for. It was posted. Same complaint as with VP but an entire concert. It was taken down but now it is up again and all it does is serve as advertising for Avi and will be of interest to historians about adaptations to the pandemic in the future.
If you are upset with yourself about getting angry and expressing it that is reasonable for your values and profession. Not using a complement and endorsement from VP is not a result I think they intended when they first mentioned you. I mean the endorsement by Voiceplay is hardly the One Ring 💍 in the Lord of the Rings to "keep it secret, keep it safe" is it?
It’s definitely something you should not have done. You 100% did not have a legal or moral right to post it. It’s good that you reached out to VoicePlay, but that should have been your first action. Having said all that, as a practical matter, I don’t really think anyone should be "overly" upset about it. Just a personal opinion, regardless of what VoicePlay says, it’s still not right to post it. Select people paid money to be able to hear it; you and others did not. Wishing you great success with your channel.
i didnt see the post but imo I dont think voice play would care in the slighest that you posted a 1 minute snipit of them mentioning you from 2 years ago...man people on youtube get crazy about stupid crap....its not that serious people
Most of the time it's not creator themselves who object but their publishers that do.
Greed is usually the motive here.
They are their own publishers, and don’t have a record label so greed isn’t it. They have expressly asked patrons not to disclose exclusive content. And he did it. If you specifically ask someone not to do something and they did it anyway isn’t that blatant disrespect for you?
Can you react on glasswaves x highcloud heat waves pls🥺🙏
I'm sorry you had to go thru that
If you are paying for the Patreon of Voiceplay then you paid for that content. I see reacters reacting to videos on Patreon and posting them on RUclips and they say so.
There’s two flaws here:
1. Paying for Patreon content is not the same as releasing that paid content publicly for everyone.
2. Reactors who record from a Patreon video do not upload their reaction to RUclips until that music video has also been released publicly. There was one instance where a reactor accidentally uploaded one too soon, and they almost immediately took it back down.
I think people just get mad at the smallest thing, people need to chill!
It seems to me, if someone mentions my name, I should be able to post that segment. I think it's great that you asked Voiceplay for their permission.
You were the bigger man, plain and simple. I think the way you handled this shows exactly what a Christian is and should be. Yeah, you would like a Mulligan on the comments, but we are humans. Most people would get super focused on the others who were out of line while you recognize where you could improve, even if from the outside you deserve like 5% of the blame here. You also stuck to your guns on your initial thinking and took steps to resolve that conflict. Kudos and a great example on how to handle conflict.
I really can't imagine why they would object, there isn't anything personal about them in the clip. Aside from you they only mentioned a couple of other reactors by name. And mentioned reactors in general, when reactions were a relatively new thing. I'm sure they will let you post it, but if they don't, oh well, nothing could be done about it. Only those mentioned by name would have any reason to post it.
I'm sorry you had to put up with all this. I still think it was cool that they mentioned you and knew about you. You did nothing wrong. It was a small clip about YOU. All this "exclusive" stuff is a moneymaker which I completely understand but it's just illusion. Nothing is truly private on the internet. Also you managed to see it so why not share it. Did they ask your permission to use your name? People will have something else to complain about tomorrow. Peace.
Oye! You lost your cool? It happens. Hopefully people can get over it and can move on with enjoying your videos.🙂
If Voiceplay didn't complain then I dont see who else has the right to complain.
I'm glad I got to see it before you made it unlisted. I don't know what is wrong with ppl today, my wife and I were just discussing this today how it seems ppl now are just cold and heartless. I expect the ppl who complained about the video were just jealous because voiceplay gave you a shout out. If someone big I followed gave me a shout out, you better believe I would post it! Don't let get to you brother, God gave you a wonderful voice, the gift of song, you're doing His work and that old Satan is mad and trying to stir up some trouble. Have a blessed week!
“You better believe I would post it” and that would be within your right! Unless, of course, it was part of a livestream on an exclusive platform that you have no right or authority to share.
They'll get over it
Band stans, especially for male centric bands, are the Karens of fandom, lol. Lots of middle aged mommas protecting their 'boys'. 🤭
I thought it was a cool shout-out. I legit would love to see you and VP collab on a tune. Or Home Free, or any of them.
A 25 year old man politely expressing his opposition to an apparent breach of privacy is a Karen to you because you don’t agree with what is being said 🤔 Do I have that right?
@@officialmortius I mean, I wasn't referring to you specifically or anything, but you're only supporting my point by assuming so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@GoodOldGamer Okay, so everyone else besides me expressing their opposition makes THEM Karens. I’m honored that I am the exception to your extremely general and mildly insulting statement, but it doesn’t make it much better
The world is full of stupid people. Stupid people seem to love to comment on youtube videos. Stop apologizing to stupid people. If you have done something terribly wrong, somebody's lawyer will be in touch. Keep doing what you do, Brad.
For what it's worth, I need to side with Brad here. He only did the shout out that VP gave him, he didn't post anything else of Voiceplay, just the recognition they accorded him for being a reactor.I will add that I don't Patreon or Tik Tok or use any highly popular base except for YT and FB and currently Twitch/Discord strictly for personal pleasure. After reading this, I hope that VP will come to Brads rescue for something he would not have known about
Hi, I don't know the story of this little one-minute clip, but I often listen to your reactions.
I hope that the band VOICEPLAY to "punish" you, will force you to make a music video with them. And even with your wife.
This would be the first time voiceplay would sing at 6 or 7. Why not!
I hope they will force you to make a VOICEPLAY version of your excellent song "Kindom of me". That is all I wish for you.
YATAKA.
Otherwise, I don't think you're a bad person.
See you soon
And this just shows how little you knows about the things you talk about. Voiceplay have countles songs where they sing with 6, 7, 11 or even a few dozen of people. And all you had to do to knows this was scrolling through their channel... And no, they will not "punish" him or waste their time on him like this. And they don't collaborate with pompous nobodys like this baboon, with his head so far up his ass that he can't even understand why he's wrong about something.
It's not like you reacted to the entire fucking podcast lmao.
I mean yes but also no xD . It was a small clip where voiceplay were speaking about you yes sure it was from there patreon but not only is it from 2 years ago but it is also about you and by extension it is content made from your image they made content using you and your name which you uploaded on your channel which is making content from them . So while I understand why it's wrong I don't think it deserves this hate maybe yes you should have asked first but a minor clip from multiple years ago that is related to you isn't worth this level if argument and I doubt voiceplay being the kind loving funny generous people they are will be hurt or upset over someone how boosts there views
I thought it was awesome and didn't know it was 2 years old. I bet they would be fine with you sharing what you did. It would be totally understandable if they got mad at a patron sharing a brand new creation that is recent.
Patronage isn’t just about new releases. It’s about gaining enough trust to put all kinds of things out there that should not be shared without their express permission. Time elapsed is irrelevant.
I'll be honest. You're a hole lot nicer than I am. Don't get me wrong. I won't go out of my way to be hostile to people. But if someone says something ridiculous and stupid, I will be as savage to that person as I possibly can be with no remorse whatsoever. Although, I do try to combat dumb statements with logic and facts while I am roasting the commenters.
The people that got mad at the original post need to #1 get a job and #2 get a hobby
I did not see the posted clip nor the reactions, but I'm sorry you were jumped all over in a such bad way. There are, as is the case in all fandoms, some people who take it upon themselves to be nasty in comments and to make rude, even threatening, comments. Please ignore them. Yes, it's true that VoicePlay has said they don't want any of their Patreon content posted publicly, but a simple comment stating that is all that's needed. There's no reason for people to be so rude in the comments, and I'm very sorry that happened to you.
If you don't want something shared from social media don't say it while being recorded in front of a camera. There really isn't anything private when posting content on social media and if it's something you don't want shared then it's best left unsaid or done in a private person to person conversation.
Who cares what nerds on the internet say?
Cancel culture. People are always trying to find something to complain about.