World of Warcraft Classic - nerdSlayer Review
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Timestamps below. If you want to see more MMORPG reviews please support this video :). I promise the next reviews will be even better as I learn how to review MMOs better. FYI if some clips don't match what is being said, my editor didn't play WoW so please be nice ;). Future reviews won't spend 14 minutes introing, so don't worry I will cut that down some. Thanks to all who helped/played with me on my WoW Classic journey (390 hours of gametime) and here's to the next review! Edit: I said "TBC second expansion" obviously I meant after the base game. So it in reality is the first expansion, but I guess my brain counted the first iteration too? Edit Edit: People are mentioning my raid logs (from virgin playthroughs) as if it's some gotcha moment, so I linked it here for posterity. FYI not only were they virgin playthrough (no prep, no guides, no reviews) I did them with subpar gear (which you can see in the video, my bow for example was classic.wowhea.... classic.warcra...
B**TY B*Y
Review Intro - 6:05
Review Rubric/Grading Explained - 6:06
WoW Classic Introduction - 9:00
Time Spent Playing - 13:00
Review Starts - 14:01
27:00 - "Inferiorating vs Infuriating"
Rubric "General Score"
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Combat/Gameplay
World/Atmosphere
Graphics/Art
Community
"Massive"
Rubric "Personal Game Score"
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Leveling
Group Dungeons/Raids
PVP
Roleplay
Community
Videos Explaining WoW Classic:
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• WoW Classic: What We K...
• Why Phase 2 Sucks | Cl...
• Top 10 Differences Bet...
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The reason the community is so fondly remembered is that it was a community of, overwhelmingly, first timers. Most of us original players had never played a MMO before. Being completely clueless with an entire server of people who are completely clueless makes for some hilariously memorable unintended co-operative play. This, as a result, makes friends.
Basically, that's why us old players always have, and probably always will, wax nostalgic about classic WoW.
Oh, and the game was completely borked from tech perspective in the first months. It wasn't solid, lol. Me and my raid once spent two or three hours hanging in the air above Southshore because we, as a raid, fell through the world while on a raid, heh. (If we released we'd have lost out loot. Priorities.)
@@omegaxtrigun dont forget it was harder back then a lot of mobs in vanilla was elites or had larger aggro ranges plus most classes could only fight one or if lucky two mobs at the same time (if you fought two you had to stop and heal afterward), in a 1 vs 1 not always.
quest mob been one level above you... its 1 vs 1 or you will die after that it became even less (presume you didn´t have some kind of cheese tactics)
another thing was the higer level mobs sprinkled among other mobs.
take Elwyn forest neutral boars at level 5 and amounts all them a level 7-9 bear (aggressive).
so you could be on minding your own business and if you didn´t pay attention to that bear... well you on level 5-6 vs a level 7-9 bear you lost especial if it jumped you after a boar fight.
Actually, most of WoW's initial playerbase were vetreran MMO players. Whether EQ1, UO, or MUDs, or some other MMO (i started my MMO life in Lineage 2). The community is remembered fondly because a lot of the trolling and toxicity (i hate to use that word, but it fits) was not tolerated by the community at large and such behavior quickly got a person blackballed on a server. It's not rose colored glasses, it's just simply that the community was better.
That shift from helpful and friendly and courteous happened over many years. And if you want to see that same shift happening in real time now, look at FFXIV's community. A lot of the WoW refugees have migrated there because the devs aren't shit and the community has long been lauded as being amazing. But as more of WoW's trash players (and i'm not talking skill, but personality) migrate to FFXIV, the community has seen a drastic change. And not for the better.
@@skyesfury8511 Most of the people who bought WoW were Warcraft III players and such. There weren't very many MMO players back then.
Indeed. I remember my first character (an Orc Rogue) having more spirit than agility and some guy trying to explain to me why that was not a good idea xD
@@katnerd6712 Yes there was, you used paper and dice LoL
Timestamps below. If you want to see more MMORPG reviews please support this video :). FYI if some clips don't match what is being said, my editor didn't play WoW so please be nice ;). Future reviews won't spend 14 minutes introing, so don't worry I will cut that down some. Thanks to all who helped/played with me on my WoW Classic journey (390 hours) and here's to the next review! Edit: I said "TBC second expansion" obviously I meant after the base game. So it in reality is the first expansion, but I guess my brain counted the first iteration too? Also Warcraft 3 Refurbished certainly will hurt this reception I bet, B**ty b*y and all. Edit Edit: People are mentioning my raid logs (from virgin playthroughs) as if it's some gotcha moment, so I linked it here for posterity. FYI not only were they virgin playthrough (no prep, no guides, no reviews) I did them with subpar gear (which you can see in the video, my bow for example was low classic.wowhead.com/item=12651/blackcrow). classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/grobbulus/grashka
Review Intro - 6:05
Review Rubric/Grading Explained - 6:06
WoW Classic Introduction - 9:00
Time Spent Playing - 13:00
Review Starts - 14:01
27:00 - "Inferiorating vs Infuriating"
Rubric "General Score"
================
Combat/Gameplay
World/Atmosphere
Graphics/Art
Community
"Massive"
Rubric "Personal Game Score"
=================
Leveling
Group Dungeons/Raids
PVP
Roleplay
Community
Videos Explaining WoW Classic:
ruclips.net/video/P-18XgsnvNQ/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/4qpT8DRTUrc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/XxngoiY-c1k/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/ySE9lhIZ-4s/видео.html
Also FYI TBC is obviously the first expansion my bad, I think I have been confused by all these Classic/Vanilla WoW servers so maybe I subconsciously counted one of those? LOL.
I think you did a fantastic job with this review. You made your points eloquently and I can tell you thought everything out. I like how you are breaking down each aspect of the game and giving separate aspects their own score. Very cool and smart way to approach reviewing such a 'massive' type of game. :) The amount of explanation before-hand was a lot but I also totally understand why you wanted to try to be as open as possible, especially when this is the first game you're doing.
But yeah, definitely looking forward to the next review!
It's reforged not refurbrished.
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Maybe you could made a separate video out of first 9 minutes and then link it in subsequent reviews. Otherwise you will be facing troubles in later reviews, when new people will not be familiar of what your review process is.
At the rate Activision Blizzard is going at, it won't be long before we see a Death of a Game video on WoW Classic as well. They just seem hellbent on driving their own company into the ground at this point.
there won't be complete death of WOW classic, because unofficial private servers will still be around.
@@Aredein I think we'll see a "death of a company: actiblizzon" before we see a "death of a game: classic wow"
did they made something that was not planned on classic?
@@ereder1476 No we are now in the latest controversy of Blizzard ruining Warcraft 3's Reforged.
I think that a "Decline of a Game: Retail WoW" would be more realistic
14:28 The Blizzard touch
* cough cough cough * … Warcraft 3 Reforged * dies coughing *
guess all the devs that are still working at bliz from the old blizard where transferred to WoW classic as that seems to have the old bliz polish still to it and yea we got what ever disaster reforged was it is time to start calling bliz Acdivision Bliz as old bliz is dead
@Moist Tony They did, but trust me don't buy it.Save your money. They were able to fuck up a 16 year old game so badly
@Moist Tony yes sadly and everyone that played the original battlenet of WC3 are rioting now because buy or not you cant play the old version anymore they don't give you a free update if your old version is with an original CD key they want you to buy the new to play battlenet on the original server as it auto updates your game to the new buggy crappy version and most old custom maps don't even work on that not to mention custom maps belong to acdivision-bliz now apparently and if you create a custom map its there property and they are not obligated to give you even 1 buck for the intellectual property because apparently your using there map creator :D full farce
@Moist Tony They did. Poorly, to the saddness of many.
@Moist Tony i don't know if they managed to patch it yet as there was a instant defied bug at launch id recommend saving an older version just for the single player and not update it with the Bnet bs at least until its fixed + Reforge didn't really add anything new apart from graphics update and on some maps they look laughably terrible as you have no shadows option what so ever so the units don't blend well with the updated graphics and i died laughing on the Arthas vs Ilidan cut-scene i mean they are so stiff that an 18 year old game old cinematic is better somehow xD
"The Blizzard Touch"... Oof that already aged poorly
Edit: ooooooof...
@@derpeter1234 just look at Warcraft 3 Reforged reviews and you'll find out.
@@derpeter1234 J. Allen Brack happened.
@@derpeter1234 you may have been the lucky ones, its riddled with bugs and performance issues.
One has to either be medically or mentally blind to look at Reforged and all the related shennanigans and say its fine.
@@derpeter1234 look at the comparison between the 2018 announcement and the 2020 release and the treatment of ActiBlizz of it.
It's funny how The Blizzard Touch™ quickly changed its meaning to anything they touch to release is absolute garbage.
What used to mean polish and full of content has become rushed and missing content.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss thats not a bug. it's a feature.
The people who made Blizzard great in the past are either gone or no longer in power.
It's now accountants making games for shareholders.
@Proxime can you honestly say BfA wasn't a poorly planned grind fest with a rushed second half? It is no coincidence we've seen more store mounts than ever during it.
Blizthesda
The 'true' WoW Classic experience is having a great time grinding tons of hours with friends, until they quit, one by one, and suddenly it's only you left before you quit too.
So, Overlord experience? Do you get transported into game world as well?
gotta make friends in the game, irl friends always quit
Im that friend who quit firsts
"bruh I want to get some water and weed" lmao that chat
Lol yeah i saw that and was like he left it in.... nice
And perfectly....of course....it was a troll who said it. *chef's kiss*
Omg the Warhammer age of reckoning song at the beginning. Holy shit you hit me in the nostalgia
chills on me. One of the best mmo soundtracks IMO.
Yeh i was also like "Wait... That ain't No Wow! That be my Baby Warhammer's music!" xD
16:05 The "dead zone" is not the same thing as the minimum distance for ranged attacks, though it is related. Dead zone refers specifically to the distance from a target where _neither melee nor ranged attacks are within the correct range to be used._ This was the space between 5 and 8 yards from the target, where most normal combat abilities were unusable.
I first played hunter during patch 2.4, which was after the minimum range for ranged attacks had been reduced to eliminate the dead zone.
i felt like playing a whole different game when wow classic launched. like the way players "play" wow makes it hard to regain that experience from the days back then. everything is meta gaming now
I didn't do any of that, and besides Questie and Bartender (UI mod) my experience was pretty "vanilla". Is it harder to do that? Probably, but it wasn't an issue for me.
@@otterlyfresh2886 It aint impossible youre just not built for classic my mans.
@@otterlyfresh2886 Im confused. What did you expect it to be like ? Maybe the overhype got to you
@@otterlyfresh2886 yea were not playing classic because its cutting edge design or because of the balance my mans. Sorry your expectations were too high.
I lucked out and found a group of people who made a pretty casual guild. We can clear MC and Ony in 1 night easy, and we still have time to fuck around and banter during.
Sorry N.S., at this rate we're going to need a Death of a Game for WC3: Reforged.
My first MMO was EverQuest or "EverCrack"... it consumed my life at a young age so by the time WOW came out I was just coming off my addiction to MMOs so I passed on joining in. So when WOW classic came around it felt like a second chance to try something so popular that I missed out on. I had fun but made some mistakes. The biggest was leveling a Druid that I stubbornly stuck with all the way to 60. By the time I realized feral druids dps was meh I was forced into being a tank which I can say from expirance is not a fun role to play as your first introduction to raiding. I met a lot a great people that took me under their wing and showed me the ropes. They were super paitent with me as I leaned how to be main tank for group raids(our server had a huge lack of tanks). I played for around 8 months and by then I saw what there was to see, did what there was to do so I stopped playing. At the end of the day I now have a better understanding when people talk about their WOW addictions and why they still play to this day.
"The Blizzard touch."
Coronavirus: Who DARES challenge my domain, only I can be the true Lord of Pestilence!
I love classic, but now I fear for its future. It still makes no sense to me how Activision, who everyone describes as the clichéd "greedy corporation" just out to make money, would want to kill the golden goose that makes the most money for Blizzard, being the Warcraft franchise. But Classic probably doesn't require a large team of devs to maintain, so it's got the best chance for survival I suppose.
they killed it get your head out of your ass and open your eyes it is dead now.
when you fire the people that made the original games that is to expected though
Because they aren't really out to make money from selling product over a long period, but from producing good metrics that add feathers to the management's caps. Turning women into fruit doesn't make them money, but it can be vaguely referenced when whoever made that decision wants to self-promote.
lmao he starts a wow classic review with gw2 music
*whistles*
would be more interesting, if soundtrack was from Lineage2. A direct opponent to WOW in past years.
Hell yeh
and wildstar intro screen lol
@@Aredein I don't want to spoil the rest of the video, but the GW2 music is a clue :P
I'm glad we have someone out there that is passionate about the genre and willing to put in the time it takes to get it right. Major props mate :)
Talks about Ony dropping threat and says “What could I have done different?”.
Shows Feign Death off CD
Two words dude...Huntard
Man your videos are such a breath of fresh air on this platform.
It’s rare to find a channel that suits my interest that is informative and interesting as hell while being presented in a way that is truly top notch.
Good shit man!
"hour long alterac valleys" made me chuckle :D. Back in the days, you would play in AV for a few hours, go to bed, wake up and join the same map to fight some more hours :D But yeah from what I gather that's not what's happening in classic at all.
ofc not, 2020 gamers are x1000 times better, smarter and faster.
And with KNOWLEDGE.
honestly, if people managed to drag an AV game for a day or two, they would probably be Monkeys instead of humans...yea thats how bad old gamers were compared to now.
People like to blame the AV version, which is obviously irrelevant.
In pservers, AVS were at their hardest, and the HORDE premades could win the games in 15 minutes.
Truth is that nowadays, even if u put cthuns on the bunkers instead of archers, players will still find a way to steamroll through.
it's 2020 gamers vs 2004 game...guess who's gonna win.
The power of knowledge people have over the game is just tooo damn strong.
not to mention that players literally have the ability to "see the future" in the game.. they know exactly what's coming, when it's coming and how to deal with it, DAYS before it even comes live.
Now combine all this with the mega super ultra Overpowered PCS we have, compared to back then.
Now, everyone min-maxing and makes everything competitive, which is also a good reason that makes the experience shitty.
In order to have the same old vanila experience you need to go back in time.
There's no other way... period.
People like to blame blizzard, but on classic wow blizzard didn't do anything wrong.
Whatever happens to classic wow, i asure you, it is 99% the playersbase fault.
The game was designed in 2004, the gamestyle and the whole gaming ideology was different back then.. People were different.
2020 gamers will abuse every single flaw that vanila has in it's system, and trust me... it has A LOT of poor systems.. cus its a 2004 game.
Back then it wasnt breaking the game becouse it was 2004 gamers vs 2004 game.. but now, the "fight" is just unfair..
@@akhsdenlew1861 I do agree with you that vanilla wow was so great because we all were so noob :)
@@akhsdenlew1861 That is true but even in classic private servers AV matches lasted a long ass time. Much different BG then what we have rn
@@thegoat2985 The pug vs pug lasted indeed longer some of the times.
Right now the pug vs pug lasts 31 minutes max, only cus horde drags it to 30+ mins for the extra 600 honor.
But the premades speed was not that different considering that pservers had the old AV.
My HORDE premade was doing 15 mins AV runs.. with the old AV(shreders, mines, middle of npcs, elite mobs on snowfall + boss, twice harder hitting archers etc.).. And with some wierd bugs like... Murgot deepthroat and his gank respawning every 1 min ( literally).
And still 15 mins wins, as horde.
So i don't believe that the AV version makes a significant difference.
Thing is that in Private servers, those who played were really just wanting to enjoy the game, enjoy vanila.
Now, since it's the REAL game, everyone wants to min max and get fully decked FAST and EFFICIENT.
It's not the game, it's the player's mentality that makes the game seems so much different, while in reality it's not.
I’m just absolutely done with Blizzard. Deleted my account yesterday.
Part of me wants to say this is the right choice, another part of me thinks you'll regret it in the future.
samtemdo8 And what exactly do you think Blizzard will have to offer in the future? Starcraft is dead, Diablo 3 was bad and 4 will be no different, with Path of Exile 2 being in development. Retail WoW has been bad since MoP. Overwatch 2? HotS 2? Hearthstone? Be honest with yourself, nothing Blizzard has lined up for the future is remotely interesting or worth getting hyped for.
@@kasPWI I like to believe that companies will bounce back. It happened with Capcom. In the 360/PS3 era they were called Crapcom.
This video has made J. Allen Brack's role in the decline of Blizzard even more clear than before. Everytime I saw his face, I nearly punched my screen.
I was thinking that it would be a choice I wouldn't regret, if I chose to never interact with a Blizzard product ever again.
This is specifically worded this way because I'm a big fan of their games, as in, if I substituted Blizzard up there for e.g. Riot this statement would not carry the same meaning. The idea is to specifically not play Blizzard games _because_ they're kinda good enough for me to like them, so as to avoid the inevitable spiral of disappointment due to the executive decisions the company makes. As long as you continue helping their products survive, their management strategy is validated in the eyes of investors.
its meta gaming time these days, everyone has a hand of ragnaros as opposed to back then when i saw a total of ONE.
I waited so long for Classic, played for years on private servers (which were often great) and then Blizzard started behaving so badly that I'll never give them money again.
Wow! Speechless, that was the most informative video I have ever seen!
Really appreciate all the time and effort that went into this man, great video.
WoW Classic is literally the only good thing Blizzard has going right now. That's sad
And it was the result of specifically telling them NOT-TO-CHANGE-ANYTHING. Why couldn't they get the hint? We wanted the real Blizzard, not the current Actiblizz trying to dazzle their fans with pretty cinematics to hide a game that is getting worse with every new expansion.
@@realityvanguard2052 yeah you can, you can put a key in or just buy it.
"wow" indeed
is it free to play?
@@bocahpetualang89 no you need the WoW subscription to play both retail and classic.
Outstanding review, I don't usually press the like button on RUclips, but man the quality of this video makes me want to thank you for making it
This was one of the best reviews i've ever heard on youtube. The level of detail and understanding of the product is so good. It reminds me of your SWG vid which just hit every point so masterfully. I would love to hear your thoughts on Guild wars 2 without a shadow of a doubt :)
so the video actually starts at 14:00 for those of you who are curious
Thanks. I was 6 minutes in and the reviewer was still vomiting up his credentials and history to justify his review.
Next time either read the description or the top pin post. They usually on long videos give you time stamps. I always do on my longer winded videos.
@@Boganfilth Stupid comment.
N.S. I watch RUclips on my TV 90% of the time, and don’t have access immediately to the comments or description. This was absolutely ridiculously unnecessary.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss great vid btw
"Completing nearly every quest there..."
I see The Green Hills of Stranglethorn have defeated another person
Guild Wars 2, world vs world specifically, has been the most fun I've had with PvP in MMOs. Defending a tower or a keep with 15-20 guildmates against a zerg of 50+ players, and winning the fight, feels incredible every time. I wish I could enjoy the same kind of large scale PvP in WoW, but it's just not possible.
I just like your long-form content, so I really appreciated seeing this in my sub feed! Thanks, NerdSlayer! P.S. Thanks for the timestamps, too. A lot of people forget those.
Just looking at the title made me say "OH SHIT" outloud lmao
I wasn't one of the people completely losing their mind over hype on Classic, but still played it from the moment it came out for about a solid month. I hit max level on two different characters, and I loved leveling up and doing the dungeons with friends (or strangers.) Once I hit the endgame raid-wall, I quickly lost interest. Even though it's been 13+ years since I ran these raids at current level, they are ingrained my memory still and the idea of drudging through them for months in order to slowly get a piece of gear every now and then was not interesting (I played a Priest, and there were 6 others I had to compete with), so I stopped playing.
I had a great time playing, but I don't think I'll be back until/if they do a Burning Crusade server.
clearing mc under 2 hours once per week... how is that drudgery?
@@krugec23 If you find it fun, more power to ya!
@@krugec23 you're forgetting about the several hours of farming world buffs and gold/materials every week so you can burn through the raid lightning fast.
and here i was looking for something to watch, thanks!
Hope its a great video as always!
Same bro same
God damned I get the feels every time I see your Wildstar footage. God speed Fabian and the Nexus Reborn project; Godspeed....
23:40
Community
// opens with a clip of someone saying "Do we touch this?"
Perfect question for this topic. lol
As someone who's played nothing but classic WoW for the last 6 months I thank you for making this video especially showing the sprawling chronicle of levelling 1-60 out in the open world with all the random PvP, grouping up and struggling to survive being my favourite parts of the game by far. It's been a fantastic time with a game I remembered so dearly from my childhood and is proof that 15 year old design is still fun, challenging and worth playing in 2020 that many MMOs, even retail WoW can still learn from. Can't wait for your GW2 review mate, you sure put a ton of effort into experiencing everything these games have to offer which make fantastic reviews.
Exceptional review. Will tune in to future reviews!
Onyxia: Lands and targets N.S.
N.S.: Doesn't use Feign Death, dies
Also N.S.: What else could I have done? It's just random!
He doesn't understand about his threat drop mechanic lol
@@DelPlays I agree that learning something to become a better player is one of the better experiences, but not sure learning good questing hubs is a good example. Maybe as a twinkoholic, yeah, but that's like a minority of players. Also, I don't think that you are forced in retail to go at the fastest pace possible by constantly queuing dungeons. Neither do I think Classic questing experience is superior to retail outside of being more challenging. Overall, I have to admit that WoW progression for both versions of the game is too unified and homogeneous, there are far too few class/race-specific quests that could contribute to making your particular character path unique. Also, due to the very nature of MMO genre you cannot see effects of your actions in the world. They try to tackle this issue in retail by introducing sharding, but end up creating more issues than there were.
Taking bets now, how controversial will this review be?
I am expecting the worst, but after what Blizzard-Activision just did with Warcraft 3 Refurbished (LOL)...I think they might argue I was too nice.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss you dropped the review in the best moment.
"Randomly targetted due to threath" says a hunter with feign death out of cd. Also how is threath random?
Onyxia chooses randomly out of the top 8 threat generators. Considering it was my first time (as you ignored) I didn't know what the mechanics were so I didn't feign death in Phase 2. No more complicated then that.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss how dare you be a noob in a game i invested 15 years into
I took a whole year off of work and locked myself away and played SWTOR when it first came out. I was the 3rd person in the whole game to get to 100 Valor and "would I do it all over agaon" damn right I would!
There's something special about MMO's, especially when you have a cool community in your game time. Wow wasn't for me and not for the want of trying. I did try it 3 times but it just wasn't there. Age of Conan and SWTOR were my bread and butter and only the last few weeks have dipped my toes into the Destiny(2) world and absolutely loving it. There's no better feeling that starting off in a game in the character creation window with a hot fresh of coffee and that final seat adjustment before you get your teeth stuck into YOUR new adventures.
Anyways, keep the content coming. I absolutely love this channel. Stay safe N.S. and all you crazy kids. 👊
Just an FYI, the infamous "You think you do, but you don't" exchange @ 10:06 happened at Blizzcon 2013 not 2016. It took years and years before Blizzard finally caved, making it all the more epic and frankly surprising when it finally got announced.
You get my respect for simply talking about your enjoyment and love for roleplay in an actual roleplaying game, NS. It's a shame RP in mmorpgs get such a bad rep due to all the rampant erping that goes on, but there are some great rpers out there who can really make a game that much more immersive and enjoyable for those of us not interested in sexual RP.
I feel you missed another of the biggest issues with the game as an rpg: gathering for crafting and the crafting system for what role it plays is dull and uninspired (click, click, wait, repeat without any thinking whatsoever).
Would love to see reviews on other games!
Honestly the crafting in WoW I would argue is one of the worst I have experienced (putting significant play time in). SWG, Wildstar, Darkfall, and GW2. Otherwise I completely agree, I think it will be one of the categories I mention on one of those aforementioned tiles.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Everquest crafting is still more awful, hehe.
SWG crafting was next level, never to be seen again.
To be fair the only other crafting systems in MMORPGs were EQ, daoc and swg at that time.
i like this format !! ^_^ fun review to watch even though i won't be playing WoW in the near future
DOAG: Dark Eden! It was my childhood, I remember cold winter nights playing it and feeling so cozy inside my house with the depressing tone of the game. It sounds weird but it was just my jam. I know it’s not technically dead but it may as well be with what’s currently active on steam... I don’t see anyone talk about it.
FF14 has the most incredible story and leveling experience I have ever played in a MMORPG, please review that next! If there's ones side quest you MUST do (besides the golden saucer for the mini games) it's the Mandervile questline! Absolute comedy gold. Fantastic world to be in as well, you can truly be immersed.
I agree, FF14 is my best MMO experience. I’ve played FF11 for years from about a year before Aht Urghan was released to a few months after Abyssea was released. I hated that you suddenly went from months levelling a new job, constantly practicing and growing in exp parties to being able to pretty much AFK in Abyssea with either a Linkshell group or randoms and you could go from lvl 15 or so to lvl 90, the new cap in a day or two. None of the weapon or magic skills would be levelled up. Now I admit the game did need to reduce the levelling process from 4 months to a year, dropping it to two days was too much.
Even so, I kinda drifted away, gradually logging in less and less. After I realised I hadn’t logged in at all in seven weeks yet was still paying the sub and had no plans to log in. So I quit.
I did give some thought of selling my account for hundred of pounds since I had maxed out two classes and had decent gear. But I liked my character and I thought she deserved to a retirement. Didn’t seem right to sell her to someone else.
I’ve played Star Trek Online and it’s pretty good for all its flaws. But there were lootboxes, premium store and the story was poor.
Fallout 76 got better after Wastelanders dropped but the quest chains are to short.
ESO for the most part I enjoyed overall. It has a decent story but I worry about the day I encountered a bos that was too tough for me to beat alone.
FF14 on the other hand has everything I could want. Unique character, great story, good graphics and systems. The only mild downsides are forced group dungeons and bosses for the main quest. I feel the main quest should give players a choice. And we could have done with being a random normal mercenary/adventurer for a bit longer
Please consider narrating the category names and the actual scores of the reviews, so we aren't missing anything if we're listening afk or looking at another window at the mome. Thanks for all the hard work!
I will do that in the future thanks for the criticism!
dis gon b gud.
Edit: "Complety nearly every quest there"
Because nobody in their right fucking mind is gonna go and complete "The green hills of stranghlethorn" Quest... fuck that quest... and the goblin shreder manual quest too!
Awesome video. I'm having a blast with classic. I'll wake up early before work and check my mail from the AH. I havent done that for a game since...well... vanilla.
I'm back. I stopped playing. Minmaxing everything kinda killed the fun for me.
*Can't wait for you to make a video on Warcraft 3: Reforged!*
Oh! I'll be buying popcorn for that one.
Here before Asmongold reacts to it
got to love that troll that lives in his mom's basement making videos reacting to other peoples videos because he cannot make his own original ones lol.
Burning steppes was amazing. Totally awesome going down the stairs. Some of it feels dated. But after reading the lore. Playing the rts games. Really pulled you in
Great review and I am very much looking forward to your GW2 review, tho I am interested if you are taking the current community stance towards it into consideration or not.
I LOVE that he calls Guild Wars a "multiplayer online RPG". I've been fighting nerds on the internet about GW not being an MMO for YEARS
What makes Guild Wars not an MMO?
@@Tengokuchi The same reason Destiny isnt an mmo. Everything is instanced except for a common nexus. You cant cross other player outside the nexus unless you are grouped. I havent played GW2 but from what I remember from GW1 once you leave the city its basically a single player game
I really like how you keep things as unbiased as possible. Even though its a bit ridiculous, I wouldnt mind more of these
Thank you very much for the video! :D I love your reviews and enjoy your content :) Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the quality content that may not have been worth the cost. I respect you immensely.
Fun fact: Molten Core was created in a week by a person alone.
Indeed. John Staats is his name. He currently wrote the Warcraft Diary where he tells his experiences with the game, and last I heard he was working on a board-game that is trying to tailor the instanced gameplay from WoW in a different way.
This myth has been debunked, partially at least. It was only the map that was created in the first week, monsters, bosses, loot and number crunching took several weeks more.
as someone whos never played wow before the release of classic, ive been having so much fun with the game, can't wait til BWL launches.
Loved that old school GW2 intro at the start
I still remember what got me into WoW back during Vanilla; A parody video of Weird Al's "Amish Paradise" set to various WoW scenes. It blew me away that such a game existed, when the most advanced I had seen up to that point being Runescape. Playing it on a crappy Dell was suffering, but god was it mind blowing all the same.
Much as it infuriates me to agree with Brack, he wasn't too far off. Much of the mindset for MMOs had evolved since Vanilla's reign, and the newcomers that started with it had grown past their younger, less experienced selves. Add private servers to the mix and suddenly Vanilla is a solved game, where much of the charm was the unknown.
I'd liken it to, say, a backyard pool. As a kid, it looks bottomless and perhaps even scary, but still loads of fun. Cut to several years later and your feet touch the bottom while still being well above the water level. The fun is still there, but its missing those other elements that made it truly special.
As you stated in your video:
"Sound like a broken record"
About bringing up themepark vs sandbox mmos in this video and prefering the latter.
I keep hearing this from people lately as they are playing classic wow and have invested hundreds of hours into it as you have.
Could you make a video discerning the differences between the two, and why yourself and likeminded others are not playing sandbox mmos and choosing to spend your time in themepark ones?
Thanks.
Luckily I already did :)
WARNING: This video contains opinions!
Good content as always NS, have my +1
I'm glad to see someone else enjoyed Blackrock Depths. I know a lot of folks hated it for being long and borning, but that kind of epic dungeon crawl is exactly what I always imagined a great MMO would have.
I absolutely hate/despite how modern mmos have turned dungeons into a zerg-fest for the reward at the end. Rarely do I see anyone actually excited to delve into some mysterious area to explore or make sense of what's going on. It's just skip as much trash as possible, loot and leave.
That was awesome, thanks so much for your hard work.
In regards to "flaws of the game being on full display" when the game gets massive, well, you have to remember that originally the servers had 2k population caps (there's also a factor that contemporary players finish content faster and have nothing else left to do but trying to claim world bosses or grinding honor, but that doesn't need to enter the discussion). Hell, server-side lag is actually a worse issue in Classic than it was historically, seeing as that BFA engine is optimized for sharding: it gets laggy when old retail servers would have still managed, and big private servers have had just as many players and not being as laggy.
In other words, that is an entirely valid criticism of WoW Classic, one of the reasons I didn't play myself (I know from private server experience that such high populations per server/layer don't provide a compelling experience to me, and WoW Classic addressed the this issue worse than private servers tend to do at that), but I don't think it's fair to count it as a strike against the game's original design: no flaws are being revealed when the game is played with populations it was designed to be played with.
I liked you review until you mentioned leveling and how you though it was boring and repetitive.
I know i might sound elitist or dismissive but did not experience levering for real. You played a Hunter, the second easiest class in Classic, installed a quest helper addon and played horde. It is well known among the classic wow community that blizzard rushed the zones for horde in the early stages. I would urge you to play an Alliance character to level 30 and seek out Loch Modan, Duskwood and Westfall. They are great zones with a lot of love poured into them.
Something you also forget to mention was the different realms, some are PvP realms with PvP toggled on by standard unlike PvE or RP realms with it toggled off by default. This is my mind is very important to how you experience your open world leveling. It is natural to fear or hate your enemy faction, but sometimes you can look past your diffrenses and RP together. It´s like a temporary truce amidst a hostile world where kindness will stay with you for many years to come. I will remember an undead mage who helped me with a quest by killing on of the two NPCs and saving me from death, we the waited and I helped his as well.
Like you said in the beginning of the video, assessing the qualities of an MMORPG is very hard and will likely take 100s of hours of playtime. Playing with a guild, meeting new friends that you will spend late night chatting with about what ever is something you can´t rush. Getting an understanding of PvP ranks and how much effort people put in is unimaginable to non wow players.
If someone reads this, please look back at what you have played of Classic and try to remember your struggles and compare them too your level 60 bad-ass Raid geared monster and how easy it is now. How far you have come.
Cheers from Esperdon @ EU Noggenfogger Alliance
This was a great video..and wow, you've come a long way! Proud of you for sticking with it and finding stuff that works for you. You've always been someone to speak clearly, carefully, and all your points are well thought out and easy to digest. I'm excited to see more content from you! WoW and MMO's have a special place in my heart.
The Guild Wars music in the background makes me so sad, lmao. So much stuff has happened since we've left our days from sPvP back in the day.
I hope life has been good to you, man. It's great to see you active on here in a new way/platform. I'll always be there to support ya! :D
Nice video! DAmn nice, love reviews of mmorpgs. Keep them coming !
Attempts at realistic graphics will always look like crap 3 or even less years later
As WoW can attest, stylized graphics can hold up for decades
Community is driving me away of Classic. Too much "meta", do everything perfectly and as fast as possible. Warriors rolling on daggers over Rogues first? Clearing MC within 2 hours or GTFO. Clear AV in 5 minutes. The experience is just.....not there. And most of it isn't Blizzard. Sure they could of added content differently, but that wasn't the problem.
If you dont clear mc under 2 hrs you are just bad. Get gud
@@CB-xf6jc Glad to see that the quality of the community has stayed the same since I quit wow almost 10 years ago. 👍
@@CB-xf6jc Thank you for proving my point.
thing is that casual guilds that cater to ur needs wont last long cause the players are casual and quit, the tryhard community centered around guilds are the ones that dont quit in 2 weeks
I hope one day you review a classic server of Everquest 2. That game was heavily underrated in its first several years (especially from 07-10). It introduced a lot of interesting features that never truly was given credit where credit is due.
I miss Vanilla and all the experiences and stories.
My favorite was running Scholomance, in the room above Rattlegore. We were fighting the trash mobs like every other time, when all the mobs suddenly ran down stairs. We were like "where the hell are they going?!", then it dawned on us... the tank got knocked back into one of those chutes to Rattlegore. We started laughing about the same time all the mobs were coming back up stairs for us. Good times!!
As much as I love Classic WoW, I have decided to let my sub run out and not resub. I cannot tolerate how Blizzard has been acting as of late, between the Blitzchung fiasco, their questionable handling of retail WoW, and now recently with the debacle of Warcraft 3 Reforged. There is simply too much going wrong with that company, and I refuse to support it financially any more then I already have.
Even if that wasn't the case, my experiences with Classic WoW are somewhat being hampered by the min/max culture that has developed over the years, where players seem to be more focused on reading up dozens of guides, installing dozens of addons, and doing whatever else to be as uninvolved and expedient with the game as possible, to the point where someone like me who'd rather play the game without assistance just gets left behind. I don't really see the point in optimizing a decade-and-a-half old pve focused game, or having dozens of addons that basically make the game play itself for you.
how do u find out someone stopped playing WoW ?
they tell u just like vegans xD
@Proxime Leaving aside all the Blizzard fiasco, BfA has been pretty underwhelming, especially after Legion. They promised a total war between the Alliance and the Horde and we only got boring repeatable content, and they burned their last three important lore characters in this expansion, yet they managed to make them feel so underwhelming in comparison to other expansion bosses.
Add the boring world quests and they rescuing only the worst part of Legion, the AP grind, and you find out that BfA is not what was promised. There was a reason why so many people jumped ship to Classic once it went live.
@Proxime Classic simply aged terribly. For better or for worse you're comparing a game that had 15 years of gameplay improvements over it's pristine version.
Don't misunderstand, people didn't go to Classic for the raids, endgame content or QoL improvements. They were looking for a simpler time when the community was more cohesive and the world felt more alive, and according to this review Classic succeeded beautifully on that regard.
Reason why Classic's numbers are going down is that everyone who wanted the vanilla experience already got it, myself being one of them. We got to level 60, made friends, and got fond memories of the whole ordeal. After killing Ragnaros there was not that much to do anymore, and people who wanted Classic in the first place are those who are jaded of the hamster wheel that WoW is nowadays. I had my fun and I quit, fun here being the code word, which is honestly more than what I could say when infiltrating Suramar for the nth time.
The leveling process can definitely be painful, and especially so in the 40s. But then again you chose one of the only classes capable of solo-ing even level-appropriate elite content and may have never felt the need to group up for all the elite quests at the tail end of every zone. I think what most people find best about WoW's leveling is discovering that '1+1>2' dynamic as early as within starting zones. Every class gives you a different window in how you view the game, perhaps you'll arrive at much different scores for at least the community/leveling portions had you picked a less independent class.
I agree, unfortunately choosing to play hunter, especially with a tank pet, means your going to have an easy unchallenged time levelling solo unless you multipull. A big part of solo levelling in WoW classic is the danger of dying all the time, and having a tanky pet doubling your health bar with free damage plus instant ranged attacks and decent melee survivability along with feign death makes your chance to die to mobs incredibly low. Many other classes live and die on their gear and managing their cooldowns and mana/hp bar, melee especially risking their life facepulling and facetanking every fight, so they have incentive to gear up, manage their resources carefully and do anything to feel stronger just to survive dangerous fights, much of which a hunter especially beastmaster doesn't even have to bother with since ranged and pet is so strong.
@@cattysplat He's also playing horde, whom on most servers vastly outnumber alliance, making leveling way safer for him, than if he had played alliance.
@@AshtonAU Not true as alliance have more uncontested zones to level in early. As for peopulations, on most servers they arent too much different.
"You think you do but you don't" actually happened around 2013 or 2014 from what I recall
Enjoyed watching, and wanted to leave some love.
Haven't personally played WoW or watched anyone play it, not interested in it myself. I was curious on a broader level on what drew people into the game, and for so long, and I'm grateful to have a little bit of a better understanding. I didn't understand a lot of specifics, that's on me of course :p. I commend you!
Gotta say i did enjoy my time playing classic, egtting a Warrior to 60 and tanking and getting all my BiS gear but i just.......lost interest. I dont wanna do the 0-60 grind again and honestly i dont like what some of the biggest WoW names did for it like Asmondgold. Screw playing forfun only play optimal and fast. AV? Lose every match cause its faster honor farm. Mess up once get yell at. The game itself was fun, but the frantic must play 100% optimal mindset and ruining it for other just pushed me away
Streamers ruined the game for you? Wow lolololololol! Didn't need ya anyway
It's unfortunate that people are competitive in a hobby to a point of making it miserable for others. Like any multiplayer game, half the experience is the friends you play with. I avoided streamer servers and joined a smaller PVP server with some friends and joined a laid back guild. We have a ton of fun and can laugh at our mistakes.
Im still playing Classic, still enjoying it.
Same, but the tryhard pvpers of Shazzrah are downright crazy haha
Subbed until jan2021. If they come up with tbc ill just stop its gonna be the same stuff and will eventually end up with what we have jn retail riht now. But if they do classic plus like release tbc and wotlk raids in classic environmemt thats what im more interested in. Like doing t4 t5 t6 raids with 39other people.
I have to uninstall it so I can get things done
This is gonna be good. - Also nice for me to see a more in-depth view as I'm one of the people who ended up giving up on "Blizzard" as a whole ;c
Great vid! Normally I don't watch MMO reviews, but since I enjoy the content you pump out I decided to watch this. Still won't be playing any iteration of WoW myself, but it's great to see things from the perspective of a reputable RUclipsr. Since you've decided to make a series of MMO reviews, does this mean a "Life of a Game" series is not in the works? Would be nice to see MMOs done right for a change and it could a nice way to complement these MMO review vids.
For a second, I thought this was a DoaG on WoW.
Same, I had some hopes 🤣
Death of a game retail wow please... like you said about other games it might not be dead now but has been on a bad decline for years with no end in sight.
Agreed. Lets be honest, retail WoW is alive to this day not because of its present, but because of its past. If it wasn't by transmog and mount collecting the game would pretty much be dead by now
Idk, Legion has been by far the best expansion. WoD and BfA havn’t been great though
Brigham burning crusade? Lich King? People ragged all over legion at the beginning.
@@Zazzaro703 so were BC and wrath, remember when people complained about all the stuff they did in classic be completely meaningless when BC launches and wrath's underwhelmingly easy endgame pre-ulduar? the community complains all day about an expansion when its current but once years have passed, they look back at that expansion fondly (exept for WoD and BFA for obvious reasons), look at how people used to act with MoP then vs now
@@omegaxtrigun i agree with you but.....nice 10/10 argument there buddy, this guy's point was 100% game ended
Yaas, never have I clicked faster on a notification. Always looking forward to your content - it's awesome and I learn so much everytime 🤩
First and foremost, love the videos, I appreciate all the explanations and reasoning you have behind your scoring but I have something to say in Regards to Onyxia.
Ony is one of the best designed, at the time, boss encounter in classic and here's why. Ony phase 1 only has 3 abilities to take heed of, a tail swipe (knock back that tends to aim you for the whelp cave), a fire breath (frontal cone that deals anywhere from 3k to almost 4k damage to all things infront of her that can almost oneshot undergeard or low health classes) and wing buffet which drops the tanks threat by 25% when hit.
Phase 2 has 2 main abilities a deep breathe which just means your taking too long, but the second and more important ability is her fireball which does some AoE damage but more importantly WIPES ALL THREAT from the highest threat target at the time of impact, This can not be resisted.
Phase 3 she lands, and basically adds an AoE fear to her rotation.
Now on your first few tries this might just seen like a bunch of random nonsense, it might feel like she just randomly targets things and there is nothing to done but hope your tanks can pick her up at some point throughout the fight. But in reality this is one of the most threat sensitive fights in the game. And changes based on how much threat your tanks can generate, how long she stays up in the air on phase 2, and how closely your dps watch their threat. Besides when she uses her abilities, there isn't a single random thing about this fight.
Yes I know I didnt mention cleave, whelps, or the fire-cracks but they are just raid damage as far as i am concerned.
if you ever want to do one on warframe ill help you out man!
drukenhobo seconded, it’d be amazing if it happened!!!
jocaguz18 no I don’t??? I want a review of it
The “blizzard touch” now is smearing turds on the wall 😔
If you have the time you should really do the Duskwood zone on alliance. It's one of the best zones in classic in my opinion.
the guild wars music in the intro to a wow video made me happy
I love how he raves on the care and time put into molten core when it was designed last minute in 1 week because "oh fuck we forgot to design a raid" lmao
It's truly unfortunate that blizzard decided to launch with the final patch of the game, especially in regards to AV. The 1.12 version had been nerfed several times, so new players aren't getting the version that people raved about.
Bliz was never going to start all content at patch 1.0 and progress to 1.12. Many would have liked that though. That's on u if u got ur hope's up
@@MRkriegs There's a diff between starting all content at patch 1.0 and using versions of talents/items/battlegrounds in line with the major patches.
@@oplawlz Yes there is but we were never going to get that. I wish though!
Great review man !! I appreciate the time and effort you put into this video.
Thank you for this! I appreciate your time and effort put in! :)
"I have over 5000 hours in MMOs!"
Haha, cute.
Joke's aside, I appreciate this video, though I do feel like your feelings about the massive world pvp is largely a you issue and not a game issue. Or, possibly, I just dealt with it so long I got used to it lol
Yeah, that made me pause and scratch my head. Only over 5000? After 19 years?? And this is how he makes his living? Surely... he's... forgetting a few hours? Aha, I racked up over 4,000 hours
in like 2-3 years when I was in high school...
@@rogue5495 lol I remember I started using xfire sometime in wotlk and by the end of the expansion it logged about 5500 hours lol
Sad fact of it is, the core group of people who had striven for excellence in Warcraft games are gone. They jumped ship or they died or they retired. Mike Morhaime is just a number cruncher shareholder jockey now. Most of the team that made WOW Vanilla is gone, the head of blizzard is someone who joined WoW in TBC and really hated the way the game was built from its foundation and sought to restructure it. I think the spark that made wow great is gone from mmo's in general.
I could watch reviews of this calibre all day long. I actually watched this while lvling in classic wow :) looking forward to the gw2 review. pls don't do WvW dirty!
Are you going to review SWG when the main swgemu finishes and goes live with the Suncrusher server?