Slim Pen 2 vs Apple Pencil 2 - Which is better NOW - Line Jitter and Apple vs Microsoft questions
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2021
- Tablet Pro challenges the reigning digital pen experience with Microsoft's brand new Slim Pen 2 with haptic feedback. Is the line quality the same or better for the new Slim Pen 2? Can artists move from Apple to Microsoft finally, or should they wait? Is the line jitter on the Slim Pen 2 better or worse than the Apple Pencil gen 2? Which operation system should your type of personality choose to be productive and have a happy life with 2.3 children? For more tools and tech for Windows tablet users, check out www.tabletpro.com
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This is still a massively underrated channel as most other reviews etc don't do in depth tests of the pens. I wish I had something like this before buying the surface book 2 which suffered from accuracy problems from the very beginning which was fixed on the pro 5 but never the book 2, so even today the pen is unusable. I don't imagine it's very hard to implement the same fix as they did on the pro 5 on the book 2, but Microsoft don't seem to be bothered.
Thank you FJJ, I've been working hard to improve and learn all the things I wish I could find online and also have trouble finding other reviewers talking about the stuff I care about. I'm glad I'm able to provide that for you. I do wish Microsoft had been able to fix this, or chosen to fix this earlier. It's been such a huge problem for a long time. I'm glad they are there now, and assume there was some complications beyond my understanding or a focus that didn't include this until now. Whatever the reason it has been a shame that the quality has been so poor for so long.
underRECOGNIZED is not "underRATED"
@@rickdeckard1075 The commonly understood meaning is the de-facto meaning.
@@HelpIveBeenShot i know, but Tablet Pro deserves better than just commonly understood phrases, c'mon gang.
I honestly can't believe it took MS this long to address the line quality issues of their device. They marketed the entire Surface Studio (which looked gorgeous) and gave it a pen that couldn't draw diagonal lines without software correction.
Glad that they got around to it eventually. I might actually consider a Surface device again now that they have worked this out.
it's hard to understand why it took this long. granted, I made the pen tool with marius and we had HUGE issues with something as simple as trying to allow users to change what the side button on the pen does! sounds like the easiest task ever. nope! So who knows, maybe some reasons we don't know about. either way, I'm with you, just really glad they got to it and did a good job
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they didn't work it out . get a a galaxy book and compare your result
I am just glad they got the pen right this time. Finally some competition. I hope we will see this pen quality now on 3rd party devices.
I tested a bunch of devices at bestbuy outside of the surface line and it did NOT carry over at all. I agree, hopefully this tech will be dissipated quickly
@@TabletPro yeah, I mean it takes some time before other manufacturers apply this stuff in their own lineup
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Thank you for making this channel. I thought it was a pipe dream to think that a channel like this would ever exist for what i considered to be so niche. Your channel is exactly what i was looking for and way more. Your demeanor and humor is fabulous 🤣
wow... thanks, I feel like it's pretty niche as well. I think I made 300+ videos before starting to feel comfortable being myself and relaxed in front of the camera. I cut out quite a bit of this video of me staring at the real pencil with a weird look of nostalgic longing that bordered on creepy so I cut most of it out. Nice to hear comments on my humor, seriously is probably the most validating thing a person could say to me. If you have questions just reach out, I'm happy to help where I can. 😁
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@@TabletPro Bahaha I'm here the weird shit just as much as I'm here for your insights and experience 😆 Thank you!
Hello. Can I charge Slim Pen 2 with a regular mobile phone wireless charger?
Love the SF Alpha graphic at the end. I agree the question probably comes down to software and ecosystem. I have both an iPad Pro and a Windows convertible. I prefer to bring the convertible even though the pen is not as good b/c I can do other things (productivity, 3D modeling, etc). That said, on the days I go out and I ONLY need to draw, the iPad is nice to bring b/c of the weight. The thing that makes me pause on making the iPad my primary on the go drawing tool is that I need to pay a subscription for CSP for the once or twice a month (if even that) that I'm drawing on the go. Procreate is nice, but not as convenient as using CSP to switch my workflow between my iPad and PC.
I bought CSP recently and owning on the PC and bringing a Surface device with this new pen tech and tablet pro is just perfect for me. I went to the beach yesterday and sketched with the laptop studio and it felt like a dream. (used an umbrella for shade) was actually really enjoyable and I wouldn't complain about the brightness.
Csp.. Do u mean clip studio paint? I have that. It's my favorite software and there is no subscription
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@@onlysublime I love CSP too! On the iPad though it is subscription based (monthly/yearly).
Thank you for showing an actual comparison between the two pens. I’m always coming back to your channel to get info about the state of Surface Pen jitter because it’s often difficult to find it anywhere else. I’m glad to hear that Microsoft’s accuracy had greatly improved with the Slim Pen 2. I’m considering purchasing the Surface Laptop Studio for work, but I’m not quite sure yet.
Are the line jitters a parallax problem? See, I work in the embroidery industry, where part of my job is to take a client’s logo/design and translate that via software into a stitch file that an embroidery machine can understand. With the type of software I use, I’m not so much drawing lines, but actually plotting points (lots of tapping), which are sometimes individual stitches. So functionally, when I tap the screen with a stylus, I need a dot to appear at that exact spot. I currently use a 2017 Surface Pro, and as you know, it suffers from parallax issues. Wearing an artist’s glove mitigates this problem quite a bit, but it’s not perfect. Working fast can still be infuriating.
This probably isn’t the type of question you would usually get (since you’re normally discussing the problem of artists trying to draw straight lines), but I figure it’s still based on the same problem. Would I be able to tap on the screen of a Surface Laptop Studio with the Slim Pen 2 and have small dots show up on screen exactly where I tap? Thanks again!
Hi David, I just tested in affinity designer using the pen tool to place about 200 vector nodes into position based off a png image I imported. Pretty accurate. I like questions like this, makes me think about different things to test. hope that helps some
@@TabletPro That definitely helps, thanks! The description of your test sounds basically the same as the workflow for my embroidery software. I import an image so I can essentially create vector/stitch objects with nodes. Sounds like the Laptop Studio may be my next big purchase!
I have the slim pen 2 and it works awesome no jitters you do have to buy charger separately if you don't have the compatible tablet that it charges to or the right keyboard but using the pen is really nice.
Thank you!! So happy I came across your channel. I'm new to blender, tablets etc. Still deciding what I wanna buy but I'm leaning towards surface pro 8. Possibly down the road get a very nice wacom to hookup to a desktop or something. I have a very nice laptop just paid off but want something more portable and can just sit in bed, currently have to take out a bed desk to use everytime and its one of those with the folding legs cause my laptop is a 17 inch msi gs75 stealth. Also I'd like to note, I enjoy your personality seem very calm, natural, honest overall a humble good dude. Best wishes to you and your loved ones!!!
Thanks Shuler, I am all those nice things you said and more, but mostly humble. 😉 actually thank you for sharing this. Been going through some massive drama in my personal life that has me fighting to believe in my own value as a human being. Not so much if I’m valuable. Maybe more of “am I’m enjoyable”. a short encouraging word from a stranger means a lot more than one might realize. So really, thank you, you made my night! ☺️
I got the laptop studio and it’s good for drawing and note taking in bed, pretty easy to use and easy to use on a pillow as well. Height for drawing is good. I use a tablet holder to move my computer around and the studio does fit. But the weight and attached keyboard make it less optimal in this situation. All that to say I think you’ll be happy with a pro 8. Really nice machine. Which one are you leaning towards?
@@TabletPro awesome glad could been of help, indeed a simple comment even a smile can go a long way. I hope things get better for you and you find clarity to find your happiness again, sure you will just stay determined. ^^ For a tablet of sorts really been between the surface pro 8 and surface pro 7 kinda been debating just getting a cheap drawing tablet for now since I'm so new to the 3d sculpting etc truthfully been kinda stuck like should I get one without a screen just see if it'll work for me for now? Or maybe spend like couple hundred or so on a xp pen with a display? Really been undecided so have been scavenging RUclips and the web. I was in a terrible car accident almost couple years ago messed up my spine and my whole nervous system so been trying to find a hobby and I came across blender and 3d design etc and I used to draw when was young I enjoyed it. So here I am feeling very passionate about it and truly stuck between what way to go about it. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Keep your head up, love yourself; love is very powerful and with it we can achieve what we set our mind too. Hope to hear back soon 🙂
(Ps) the studio i looked at it aswell just dunno even considered the surface book 3? Just really been in between. Just paid off my beast of a laptop so it's like one of those buy a investment for down the road or start simple an buy something nice down the road? Plus since I have my laptop not sure if I bought another what I'd do with it? Maybe sell and put towards a desktop? Dunno haha just been little stuck as you might be able to see
Anyhow, best wishes to you and you're loved ones, hope to hear back soon
@@TabletPro hey i ended up getting the intuos pro large, if I don't like it I'll probably consider the cintiq 16 just if I do get a surface pro 7 I'd like to get one with 16gb ram
I can say as a beginner artist I started out doing digital on the Surface pro. After a few months I had to move on. I had the 2017 surface (also called the Surface 5 by some). The line jitter was just too much. I even bought the best pen on the market at the time and spent $70. That fixed a LOT over the Wacom bamboo, but it was still too much. Not sure I'll ever take a chance on any n-trig based pen tech again. I just love my Samsung tab S7+ too much now. Drawing on it is a dream.
Was it really that bad?? :(
I feel you! I had bought the pro 3 november 2020 and i didn't even had for a year before I moved on. Now I have the samsung galaxy book pro 360 and drawing on it is a dream! It's so amazing.
I'm also not sure if I ever trust n-trig tech again after I witnessed the wacom emor tech which has the spen.
Another amazing video Justice. Thanks for being so thorough. Someone else said it but your channel is so underrated and I wish more people would pay closer attention to details like you. Keep up the great work, I'm very excited to maybe purchase the Surface Duo 2 and/or Laptop Studio now that Microsoft improved the stylus so much this time
Thank you Vinny, honestly this is the first time I've had a wave of such positive comments. (even shared them with my girlfriend as it was really meaningful to me) I hope to keep making improvements and progress in this niche, it's really nice to be able to focus on the stuff that I really like and care about. Makes it a lot more fun to do. I'm curious on the Surface Duo pen quality. If it's like the others that could be really interesting. Wish it ran windows though, or both.
@@TabletPro That's great to hear, you deserve it. Keep working hard Justice. You're doing great. I'm actually hoping I can eventually start a channel of my own reviewing creative tech. However I suffer with chronic pain and have been moving from hospitals with no end in sight, but hopefully one day I can get started on it. And yes me too, I think if the Duo has great pen support then it really could be a game changer for note takers and artists/designers like myself. If I get my hands on one maybe that can be the start of my tech reviews👍
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How's the initial activation pressure on the slim pen 2? Apple pencils have always been superb for this but the previous ms surface pens have been awful requiring a lot of force
I tried the slim pen 2 in store and found it could write under it's own weight, so it's pretty good!
Thank you for the extremely thoughtful overview of where we stand today; I couldn’t agree more with the points you make about both solutions having their advantages for different users. That said, a couple questions I don’t think you’ve addressed:
1) Is the physical tip of the Slim Pen 2 about the same as the Apple Pencil? If it is thinner/thicker/more pointed that could matter for someone who does a lot of detail inking work.
2) Parallax is not a thing on the Slim Pen 2, right? I haven’t seen any mention of it anywhere, so I assume as much. If the hover cursor is accurate, that would be a big advantage to digital painters over the Apple Pencil.
I love my old iPad Pro but I have always watched what’s going on in Surface land with interest. I would love to have a device that not only excelled as a drawing tablet but could also function as a solid laptop and gaming machine. Happy to see the Surface come into its full potential as an art device, I just wish Microsoft still offered several grades of pen tip replacement to customize the feel of the Surface Pen on the display.
The tip of the slim pen 2 is really similar to the tip of the second gen apple pencil. it's more pointed than the Apple pencil 1. It is very nicely tapered so it's pretty easy to see what's going on under the pen in general.
The hover cursor is accurate and can be turned on and off in the windows ink settings. You will most likely really like how it behaves. It does not slightly adjust based off tilt from what I can tell, but the lines still go where I expect them to go.
The Studio is shaping up to be a dream machine for me (yes, still wish it was the next step up in gpu) but as someone else said here. a decent gaming machine and a BEAST of a drawing machine. That's accurate. SOOOOOO NICE to draw on.
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Thank you so much for your detailed videos on that new Surfaces with new pen. I can not try this before buy because I am in Russia but I really have to upgrade my surrent Surface Pro 2017 with this Pro 8 or something else if I'll find anything better. Had hesitations to buy Microsoft tablet again just because of that jitter stuff but now looks like it Pro 8 and Slim Pen 2 made a huge step forward and I am considering to buy it.
I really like you sense of humor buy the way :) thank you so much again!
Thank you! I think I'm pretty weird, so I appreciate when someone likes my sense of humor, I think it's the most validating thing a person can say to me personally. Yeah, jitter is WAY better, definitely worth getting now
No se mucho ingles, cual es mejor?
Creo que es apple pencil
These videos are very much appreciated! These are expensive devices and it helps seeing these breakdowns so people know what they're buying.
Thanks Jeff, I try to answer the questions I had,,.... and I have a lot! lol. Glad this helped 😊
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I got a pro 8 for CAD. I do not draw. What would you recommend? Seems like the Renaissance combo is good enough?
Absolutely good enough for that
I'm so glad you made this review. I first purchased a surface pro when it went to N-Trig, and had to return it. The pen was too inaccurate for me. Since then, I ended up on an ipad pro only because of how good the line quality is. However, I find it lacking in more demanding tasks, and want to a full windows mobile device (with rebelle 5...)
Thank you. 😊 I actual almost cried when Microsoft jumped from wacom to Ntrig on the Pro 3. I was little kid laying on the floor kicking my legs level of upset. Was rather embarrassing. But I hated N-trig and their work. I was so salty. But I'm really glad they've continued to make improvements. It's so much better now
@@TabletPro Yeah, seriously! I loved everything about the surface pro except the line quality. I remember trying to draw an eye (tiny detail, without zooming in), and noticed the pen was not putting the curser where I put the pen - it was appearing "close" to the pen tip in random locations. That's when I learned about the slow angle jitter test. It seems every year or two I stop by a MS store and test, only to find the jitter still there. I ended up using an old lenovo helix 2nd gen for a long time. Actually, I still have it - still works great. But it can't even run rebelle 2 without some serious lag.
Right now... I'm trying to justify whether it's worth getting the SLS. It's very close in price to a wacom mobile studio pro, but it is in a better laptop-format. I am such a stickler on line quality. Anything that is not precisely as I drew it (mistakes and all) will end up making me return it.
I would love something like the conceptd 7 ezel... but the price. Ugh, the price!
It it will be best for someone who wants a laptop but still wants to be able draw . Unlike apple for which u have to buy two products separately. Also at a much lower price.
I got the surface laptop with the slim pen 2. Only issue with Slim Pen 2 is the shape of it. As a professional it s hard to work old day long with a flat pen, it doesnt feels right. The button is not easy to click neither...I ve too admit their last surface laptop with the Slim pen is really close to perfect, but still a few thing to change, like screen is too reflective, and well stylus could be better for a professional use. Lets wait next year :D
I had a Windows Tablet with AES pen and used CSP as my art program. It was solid overall, but a lot of that was CSP making corrections for line quality. When that tablet started to slow down/die after about 4 years, I went to Best Buy and tested all the Windows options and the iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil 2. I went with the iPad Pro because it was such a better drawing experience than anything Windows had at the time. Almost 2 years later with my iPad Pro and I can safely say, the ecosystem is not slow, it has a lot of options still. I use both Procreate and CSP. CSP is everything it was on my Windows tablet, but with a better pen now. Honestly, I like the iPad version better because it has additional touch controls that feel more smooth than anything Windows had.
That being said, I don't like the OS as a whole. It's fast, much faster than anything I've ever done on Windows, but it's also awkward. Unless you completely buy in to the ecosystem, transferring files, and working with 3rd part apps is not the best experience. My wife uses a Windows PC and I recently got a Macbook Pro for work. We've had a OneDrive account for years, and implementing it into Mac has been a pain. The support is technically there, but Apple likes to make it as hard as possible, and I can't use it to backup my iPad, which means I'm either also paying for Apple Cloud, or just not backing up much data.
The point to my long rant, it really comes down to ecosystem. Both are fast enough, though I'd give the edge to Apple in speed with the highly controlled and optimized IOS. But in my opinion Windows has the more robust ecosystem that allows for more user control. It's a matter of what you need and want. Now that the slim pen 2 is out, if I were to make the choice again today, it would be a much harder choice. For me it comes down to what I use the iPad for. Now that I have my Macbook pro, the iPad is really just a sketchbook and occasional consumption device. If I needed a full computer, the SP8 would be an easy choice. IOS has too many weird workflow issues to use as my only computer. But where I am now, I'd still take the iPad pro strictly for art.
Thank you James, I really agree with you. It USED to have to do with a lot more,... but now it has a lot to do with what you are using the device for. Just sketching or painting??? CSP and Procreate can get it done and with gusto. Longer battery life??? yeah iPad is the better choice. Brighter screen, or outdoor work?? iPad. Only using one device for ALL of your work,.... then we start setting the split. Editing video or 3D? Surface. Totally depends on the scenario. Good points here
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Wow! An Apple users who posted an even-handed, unbias, and logical comment. I am truly speechless...
@@msp5138 I am definitely not on the Apple bandwagon. I only have a MBP because I'm a software developer and needed it for some specific things. If the Slim pen 2 and SP8 would have come out 2 years ago, I would still be using Windows, and just worked around the need for OSX, but instead we got the Surface Pro X. The sad thing is, I'm not going to need a new computer for awhile. Hopefully MS doesn't EOL the surface line by the time I need to get a new one.
What are you using Slim Pen 2 on? I'm thinking of getting it for a surface book 3 if its this accurate
I don’t think the Slim Pen 2 improvements are backwards compatible like that, so be sure to research it before buying. AFAIK Slim Pen 2 is only improved on Surface Pro 8 and Laptop Studio, but I could be wrong.
@@AnalogKensho it's only compatible on laptop 4, laptop studio, surface duo 2, surface pro X, 7+, and 8. BUT I have a Pro 7+ and it DOES NOT have cleaner lines there like on the Pro 8. So maybe it needs a firmware update on the 7+??? I'm not sure.
@@TabletPro Pro 8 and Laptop studio have a new G6 touch controller. That's upgraded HW so older devices won't be able to get these improvements.
Fairly confident the G6 chip is in the pen itself. I don’t know what other components are needed though to make it work. I’m sure there is other parts but it wasn’t really clear.
The slim pen 2 on the box says the 7+ is compatible. So what do they mean by compatible? I’m guessing part of the necessary components are already on some of the other devices via some hardware change to the screen. Not sure what though. And I would have sworn the book 3 and pro 7 would have been on that list.
@@TabletPro book 3 is on the list if you check the best buy listing of slim pen 2. what computer did you do the testing on?
I found this channel recently... gotta say, I really like this dude.
Me checking to make sure i haven’t switched to another account…. THANKS!
Do you have the haptics working? I upgraded my Surface Pro X and I don't have any haptics : (
On my Surface Pro 7+ which is supposed to be compatible I don't have either the haptics or the improved line quality. It would be nice if we could get a response from Microsoft on when and what is supported or meant by the word "compatible"
@@TabletPro That would be worth mentioning to others-right now I can’t even charge the Slim 2 because apparently it needs a firmware update to the standalone USB-C charger. Do you have that issue as well - can you only charge with the Studio?
I really like this video. All the mac vs windows is just question of preferences. I have surface pro 4 and want to upgrade for past years but the old surface pen and the minor upgrades were holding me back. Was considering buy a classic laptop + bt wacom intuos pro tablet that can connect also to my desktop, or buy ipad pro with apple pencil 2. Had this discussion about the upgrade on one drawing live stream and the dudes just generally flamed anything that is not ipad without facts or explain. Some people say they don't need the advanced options they just want to open the app and sketch or draw. For me the 1500$ device could do more than just basic operations and limited apps. Or for for the money I could just have lifetime paper supply to sketch on 😂 So far the surface pen improved this much and you can partially upgrade your tablet now, use external graphics and run generally anything... ..the surface seems great all in one option.
The answer to which one ( Apple/Microsoft/android) is simple : efficient WORKFLOW professional SOFTWARE. thanks
you are saying Microsoft because it supports professional software? Just for clarity.
Can you test with a 2B pencil to see if there is wobble 😂
this made me laugh quite a bit 🤣
Yes, how is the latency? They haven't updated it for centuries!
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I just wish the slim pen 2 worked on the Surface Go. I wonder why they didn't incorporate zero force tech in it?
The entry level products never get the new tech with the first generation. I'm sure a future version of the Go will get it though.
I like your videos because they are objective. You seem to keep your personal preferences out. I agree the Apple Pencil my make a little bit better line. But it’s like what are you using the product for. You may have needs that suit a Microsoft product over an apple. I think the correct answer is it depends on your needs and the ecosystem that fits your needs
That's great and all.., but I sure hope that one of these days somebody fixes the wooden pencil so it can draw a straight diagonal line!
yeah someone should really do something about that!!
Stupid wooden pencil
3:00 actually saying A's idea stupid is different than saying A is stupid. The later is direct attack at A's ego while ideas, timings, methods can always be challenged.
yes, I agree 😊 was just making fun of how many "mac vs windows" conversations aren't typically well balanced, mature and frequently jump to personal attack. I think the ability to have meaningful conversation with someone you completely disagree with, but do so while still respecting them as a person is a rare, but extremely important skill. We could avoid most conflicts just by knowing how to honor a person we disagree with, with an understanding that we too, will change our minds on various important topics as we mature.
Is IAF still lower on the Apple Pencil 2?
that I don't know. anyone else?
@@TabletPro How do they feel in comparison? If you just brush the Surface Slim Pen 2 across the screen, does it make a mark?
Amazing artist reviews because of attention to detail from Artist perspective. What about the tip/nibs? Is there different types for SlimPen2 or replacement?
Also with Win11 Android support: Do you know any apps that will work well with SlimPen2 on Surface Pros or speculate on such apps in Android for notes and for art?
Keep up the good work. Great to hear about both pens. The joke about dating is good!
I'll have to do a little research on the tips/nibs, there isn't an extra one in the box, the nib is pretty solid, meaning, not likely to break like some of the other style of stylus tips. the texture on the screen is pretty good too. it's not an extreme of anything, not super plasticky and not super grippy. I wouldn't mind a little bit more of the elastic polymer feel from the sp 2017 model stylus. (grey rubbery tip)
I'm not sure on android support and how that all behaves. is there a specific android app that you are excited about? I have a hard time picturing any andriod app being a better choice than what is currently offered in the windows eco system. I'd be interested to learn more about them though. 😊
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oh,.... lol, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I HIGHLY appreciate this type of help.
I an using slim pen now. But I had apple pen for over a year. working with one note as I am a student. slim pen sucks comparing to apple pen.
I don’t like the slim pen. I agree with you Apple Pencil is better. I do like the slim pen 2 significantly more then the slim pen and consider it better than the Apple Pencil in all but line quality. Like quality I think the Apple Pencil is just a half notch better. But bother very usable and both very good.
The Apple ecosystem IS THE BEST on the market today! After a lifetime using DOS, and then Windows, even UNIX, in 2016, I purchased an iMac and have continued to use that with my iPads and iPhones and it is the best system available! Happy holidays, ~Antonio Dominion
The Apple ecosystem IS THE BEST on the market today! After a lifetime using DOS, and then Windows, in 2016, I purchased an iMac and have continued to use that with my iPads and iPhones and it is the best system available! Happy holidays, ~Antonio Dominion