This was an extremely encouraging message. May God Bless You, Pastor 🙏🏻 (I learned the meaning of Black Swan event and I thank you. Older person here.)
I miss Chuck Missler..but I really enjoy your ministry just as much now , and Thank You Jesus for our Brother. Know your appreciated and your calm and gentle spirit along with your clear understanding of scripture has really made a difference to many people here, I'm sure they all agree and we are grateful for Christ moving you to minister on RUclips as well as your home. God richly Bless you always. ✝🙏😇
Thank you Pastor Brian for expounding on Black Swan Event. Praying we all are watching and praying one for another as the Day approaches. Your congregation is so blessed to have a humble and wise Pastor! May the Holy Spirit lead you carefully and protect you and your family in these. dark days. Thank you for the encouraging scriptures. See you all in Heaven 💕 Shalom
We have been given this precious gift of salvation for a reason, if we share this gift with others and thereby gather treasures in heaven, our joy will be full.
Will you please make a video giving step-by-step instructions on how to "hand over" our anxieties, and "how to rest" in Him? I've heard this for ages, and have no clue what it is, or how to do it.
"Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all My purpose'". ~ Isaiah 46:9-10 (ESV) "Seek the Lord while He may be found; call upon Him while He is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, that He may have compassion on him, and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon." ~ Isaiah 55:6-7 (ESV) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. ~ 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (LSB)
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13.
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1 Thessalonians 5:4,5.
Thank you so much for what you've shared as well as the insight you bring. You summed up the concept of a Black Swan event really well considering that it is such a tough idea to grasp. I also think it's brave and perceptive of you to be able to tie this into biblical prophecy, in order to highlight its relevance in our lives. If I may add, this particular concept was innovated by a Lebanese-American mathematical statistician called Nassim Nicholas Taleb, who goes into great length about this particular phenomenon in his book, "The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable". A classic example of a Black Swan event would be 9/11. The author describes a Black Swan as an "outlier" on page xxii in the Prologue of the book mentioned above and goes onto write that "it lies outside the realm of regular expectations, because nothing in the past can convincingly point to its possibility. Second, it carries an extreme impact. Third, in spite of its outlier status, human nature makes us concoct explanations for its occurrence after the fact, making it explainable and predictable. I stop and summarize the triplet: rarity, extreme impact, and retrospective (though not prospective) predictability." I think what this teaches us as Christians is the danger of becoming proverbial sleepwalkers, and the challenge for us is to remain awake like watchmen. The Garden of Gethsemane experience where Jesus asked his three disciples to keep watch in his hour of need grips my heart when I think about this. God bless.
Hello Ps. Brian, God bless you and your serving ministry. I've been edified by these podcasts. Quick question: What did you think of the BRICS delegation meeting last month, in view of prophecy (specifically the kings in Rev.), and how moving BRICS is towards that point
The term Black Swan event can only be applied to unbelievers. As Children of Light and of the Day, not of Night or of Darkness, that Day will not overtake us as a thief.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3.
Exactly right. Two different comings. One where we are gathered together unto Him, and the other is the Day of the Lord. Paul was looking for one of those Comings (1 Thessalonians 1:10, Philippians 3:20, 4:5), which is the coming he is beseeching them with. But the other coming, Paul is not looking for (for THAT DAY shall not come except the falling away or Departure happens first and the man of sin is revealed).
I have listened to Jan Markell many times yet throughout all the years she has been unwilling to adjust her prophetic understanding with the reality of the scriptures.
Part 2 Another example is when you hear Yeshua healing on the sabbath, you come to the conclusion that Yeshua abolished the law, which was the fourth commandment, but when you read the original text Yeshua was following the law of Eruv witch in a particular section on the Sabbath while in motion you was permitted with in the distance stipulated had permission to move with in. You need to understand basic hebrew language to not miss out on the bigger picture. Even Yeshua made references to a book named Yasher.
1 Thessalonians 4 13-18 can not be used to support a pre trib rapture, because nowhere in these verses does it tell u. WHEN These things will happen, pre trib, mid trib, post trib, or pre wrath.
The problem with interpretating scripture is that the majority of cristians never use any references or for examples like the Talmud, Michnah, Gemarah, and Zohar to name a few and because of that lack of hebrew references it makes it harder on the ears of the listener's I'll give you one example when you read that Yeshua came to the jews and the jews did not receive him you come to the understanding that all or the majority of the jews did not believe Yeshua teachings but the original text say that Yeshua came to the leaders and the leaders did not receive him, so when I read the original hebrew text I find out the the leaders of second Temple era was Shammai i understood that Shammai did not believe the teachings of Yeshua but Hillel did see major differences. Shammai and Hillel were always contradicting one another.
You're not mistaken. The 144,000 are taken at the halfway point, and the remnant (believing Israel) will run out into the wilderness where God provides for them. Revelation 12 sign. The 144,000 will be found worthy to escape all these things.
The Apostle Paul makes it clear that our gathering unto Christ will not take place until there is a falling away (Apostasy) first, and the Son of Perdition (AntiChrist) is revealed.
The Falling away is the gathering together unto Christ. It happens before the ac is revealed. The ac is revealed when he confirms Israel's covenant, which is what kicks off Israel's 70th week. Christ returns immediately after their 70th week.
The Time of Jacob's Trouble and the Wrath of the Lamb does not begin until the midpoint of the 70th week. The AntiChrist and his armies will make seige against Jerusalem and commit the Abomination of Desolation at the midpoint. Mathew 24 and Luke 21 makes this clear.
If Israel identified the AntiChrist as their long awaited Messiah as many speculate, why would he have to make seige against Jerusalem with his armies as identified in Luke 21?
The ac confirms Israel's covenant with the many (as opposed to the few, the remnant). The 144,000 will be all over the earth preaching their Gospel, and will not be falling for the ac's tricks. The 144,000 will also be teaching Israel, many of which started off believing the ac guy, but turned to Christ through the 144,000. The 144k will be taken at the midway point, but believing Israel will run out into the wilderness where God provides for them.
@@bugsocsollie1694 The "covenant with many" does not identify Israel or the contents of this covenant. Scholars have made assumptions and speculations, yet these are not biblical fact.
Did the Lord or His Apostles as our example whine and complain saying woe is me? Of course not, they endured affliction, torture, and even death to proclaim the Good News.
You are applying Israel's doctrine for their 70th week to the Body of Christ Church. The 144,000 Jews will be found worthy to escape the 2nd half of Israel's 70th week. They will be preaching their Gospel during the 1st half to all the world. They will be picking up where the original Apostles left off. It isn't for the Body of Christ. He ascended up before their 70th week was supposed to begin the first time. Just like we will ascend up before it actually happens.
What I am identifying is that God will provide security for Israel. They will not need any security agreement with the AntiChrist in the aftermath of the Gog/Magog battle of Ezekiel 38/39. Therefore Israel being part of the "covenant with many" is a fable, not based on scriptural reality.
@rodneydezarn5763 yes, Revelation 12 sign, the man child (144k) is taken up to God and the woman (believing Israel) runs out into the wilderness where God provides for them (come out of her my people, is about this very event: great Tribulation). The rest of Israel (unbelieving Israel) stay and take the Mark.
@bugsocsollie1694 Again, there is no scriptural evidence that supports the idea that the 144,000 are evangelists, this is but one of many assumptions from scholars.
It's Israel's 70th week. It's their prophecy and their doctrine is accordingto that Prophecy. Pentecost was to seal them with the Holy Spirit, just like the 144,000 of Revelation 7 will be sealed. It's the reason for all those gifts and protections in Mark 16. It's why Israel was selling all that they had and giving to the community of believers. They knew in a moments notice they would have to leave everything in a hurry. They have a different doctrine for a different purpose.
Do you see any evidence of Jacob (Israel) experiencing any Trouble before the seige on Jerusalem by the AntiChrist and his armies at the midpoint of the 70th week as identified in Luke 21?
@bugsocsollie1694 Is all endtimes events centered around the 144,000 as you seem to suggest? We have no idea what the 144,000 do, there is nothing in the scriptures that reveal their purpose or task.
@rodneydezarn5763 Actually, we do know what they're doing. Today Israel is fallen and diminished. But they will rise and shine as a light unto the Gentiles during a time of darkness (Israel's 70th week, Tribulation, Jacob's trouble). Isaiah 60:1-3 They will be picking up where the 1st century Apostles left off before Israel's fall. They will be preaching Israel's Gospel of the Kingdom in all the world before the end comes (Matthew 24:14). The "end" is the 2nd half of Israel's 70th week. We see them in heaven in Revelation 14, at the midway point. The Great Multitude are Gentiles that come to Christ through them. There's more info on it if you want it.
@rodneydezarn5763 are you not familiar with Israel's OT prophecies that say they will be a light unto the Gentiles? That every family on earth will be blessed through them? That they will be a nation of kings and Priests to the Gentiles? Only one of those ot prophecies says they will rise (from their current fallen state) and shine as a light unto the Gentiles during a time of darkness. Christ comes as a thief IN THE NIGHT (that means it's dark when He comes to set up His kingdom). Amos 5:18, it's a day of darkness. It's Scripture, and it is sound doctrine.
Am I hearing you correctly? Are you saying that believers will be here during the first 3.5 years. Where are the 2 witnesses and angels and the 144000 in your discourse? What is the mechanism that squares with prophecy. And how do you ever dare to suggest that God is indifferent to the struggles of his people. He says he is an ever present help in trouble. He is enemy to no man and that He is for us. Your words are not encouraging or suggestive of a loving God. Do you believe some deserve wrath and some don't based on good works? Indeed, Paul suffered greatly and it was because of the enemy hating him, not surely to a lack of good works. But he was preserved to fulfill God's will. I'd prefer you spoke directly and not leave so much of your message to guess work.
Hi Mitch - No sir. I believe the rapture of the church will take place before the 7 year Tribulation begins (before antichrist confirms the covenant, beginning Daniel's 70th Week). I'm saying that there will be those who become followers of Chrkist during the Tribulation period (often therefore referred to as "tribulation saints") ...and I never said (or in any way believe) that God is indifferent to the struggles of His people
_Heaven must receive_ Jesus Christ "until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began" Acts 3:20-21. Compare Acts 1:6-7. Therefore, the Lord will not _descend_ from heaven, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. God has not altered prophecy for the church of the mystery. The prophetic "coming of the Lord", 1 Thessalonians 4:15, occurs only _one_ time, not two or more times. In 1 Thessalonians 5:9 wrath is contrasted with _salvation,_ not _location._ Therefore, during God's wrath the Lord expects us to keep watching. Revelation 16:15. Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that _watcheth, and keepeth his garments,_ lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. _They kept their garments._ Revelation 16:15. These are the same company described in Revelation 17:14, the church militant, said to be in heaven because that is often called the kingdom of heaven, and because their names are written in heaven (Hebrews 12:23), and they are of heavenly extract, they are born from above, and are partakers of the heavenly calling (Hebrews 3:1). Comapare Ephesians 2:6. Etheridge's translation of the Syraic Peschito renders it, "armies _of_ heaven," which is clearly more accurate. Murdock's translation of the Peschitta (added later) renders it, "the soldiery _of_ heaven."
You can not have a Falling Away or Apostasy, strong delusion, and men not enduring sound doctrine, then claim there will be Tribulation Saints. Believers alive today are those Saints.
@@TheWatchmansPost3929 We are not in tribulation now,nor will we be here for tribulation. If you don't believe in pretribulation rapture,why do you come and comment on them? Just to sow discord among the brethern? Jesus warns about that also. Thank you for fulfilling bible prophecy.
@@TheWatchmansPost3929 Exactly. Which is why you troll pretribulation sites to mock and scoff. Luke 21:36 Jesus tells us we can escape all these things coming upon the face of the earth. Did Jesus lie? Luke was a gentile writing to gentiles. 1Corinthians 15;51-52 and 1Thessalonians 15-18. How would one comfort someone by telling them that they would be tortured and killed? The Greek word Paul used for mystery means a secret doctrine now revealed. There is no secret that tribulation will be a time of persecution. The tribulation is Jacob's Trouble, it is to bring Israel to their Messiah,Jesus. If you are a true believer who puts all of your faith in what Jesus did on the cross shedding His blood to cover the sins of mankind,past,present and future. He died,rose again and is coming back for us before tribulation. There are no works that you can do to save yourself. Your trust must be fully in Jesus. Tribulation starts with the seals opening. Jesus opens the seals. They are not the devil's wrath. They are the wrath of God since Jesus is fully God as the 2nd Person of the Trinity. The church of Philadelphia speaks tobthe faithful Christians who are weary from seeing what is coming and waiting for the rapture. The church of Laodecia is most ofthe present day church, not watching and relying on themselves for salvation. These will become the tribulation saints. Why are so many trolling pretribulation sites and spewing vitriol against the pretribulation rapture even to the point of calling it demonic? In my humble opinion,it is because Satan knows it is true. He just doesn't know when it is,but he knows it is close just as we who ae watching know. He uses people like you to cast doubt among believers and turn them away from the gospel of truth and the comfort of the coming rapture. I pray that the scales fall from your eyes and you can see.
Thank you. Very comforting prayer at the end. So glad i know who is in control. Come Lord Jesus! ❤😊❤
Thank you for explaining this term Black Swan. I am so grateful for your teaching! Blessings Pastor ❤
This was an extremely encouraging message.
May God Bless You, Pastor 🙏🏻
(I learned the meaning of Black Swan event and I thank you. Older person here.)
Praise the Lord!
Amen thank you for the message and encouragement in the Lord and His Word. Blessings to you Pastor Brian
I miss Chuck Missler..but I really enjoy your ministry just as much now , and Thank You Jesus for our Brother.
Know your appreciated and your calm and gentle spirit along with your clear understanding of scripture has
really made a difference to many people here, I'm sure they all agree and we are grateful for Christ moving you
to minister on RUclips as well as your home. God richly Bless you always. ✝🙏😇
Thanks for that :) I really miss Chuck too
❤
Pastor Brian, Thanks for the honest and discerning commentary.
God bless you and CC Franklin.
Thank you brother for all you do that the Lord has laid upon your heart to do in HIS name...
Thank you Pastor Brian for expounding on Black Swan Event. Praying we all are watching and praying one for another as the Day approaches. Your congregation is so blessed to have a humble and wise Pastor! May the Holy Spirit lead you carefully and protect you and your family in these. dark days. Thank you for the encouraging scriptures. See you all in Heaven 💕 Shalom
Thank you!
We have been given this precious gift of salvation for a reason, if we share this gift with others and thereby gather treasures in heaven, our joy will be full.
Will you please make a video giving step-by-step instructions on how to "hand over" our anxieties, and "how to rest" in Him? I've heard this for ages, and have no clue what it is, or how to do it.
"Then we which are alive and remain" identifies with severe persecution to come.
God's kingdom come.
Tribulation and wrath are two different things. Seals and bowels are two different things. Blessings to all.
The wrath of God doesn't happen during the seven year period the wrath of God happens after the seven year period is over.
"Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all My purpose'". ~ Isaiah 46:9-10 (ESV)
"Seek the Lord while He may be found; call upon Him while He is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, that He may have compassion on him, and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon." ~ Isaiah 55:6-7 (ESV)
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. ~ 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (LSB)
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13.
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1 Thessalonians 5:4,5.
Thank you so much for what you've shared as well as the insight you bring. You summed up the concept of a Black Swan event really well considering that it is such a tough idea to grasp. I also think it's brave and perceptive of you to be able to tie this into biblical prophecy, in order to highlight its relevance in our lives. If I may add, this particular concept was innovated by a Lebanese-American mathematical statistician called Nassim Nicholas Taleb, who goes into great length about this particular phenomenon in his book, "The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable". A classic example of a Black Swan event would be 9/11. The author describes a Black Swan as an "outlier" on page xxii in the Prologue of the book mentioned above and goes onto write that "it lies outside the realm of regular expectations, because nothing in the past can convincingly point to its possibility. Second, it carries an extreme impact. Third, in spite of its outlier status, human nature makes us concoct explanations for its occurrence after the fact, making it explainable and predictable. I stop and summarize the triplet: rarity, extreme impact, and retrospective (though not prospective) predictability." I think what this teaches us as Christians is the danger of becoming proverbial sleepwalkers, and the challenge for us is to remain awake like watchmen. The Garden of Gethsemane experience where Jesus asked his three disciples to keep watch in his hour of need grips my heart when I think about this. God bless.
Thanks for that!
@@CalvaryChapelFranklin You're most welcome.
There is much adjustment needed regarding understanding of prophetic events being portrayed by many well known scholars today.
Hello Ps. Brian, God bless you and your serving ministry. I've been edified by these podcasts.
Quick question: What did you think of the BRICS delegation meeting last month, in view of prophecy (specifically the kings in Rev.), and how moving BRICS is towards that point
Indeed we are not subject to Wrath yet the key is understanding when this Wrath actually takes place in the 70th week.
I am sorry Pastor Brian, I had to get these things off my chest.
The term Black Swan event can only be applied to unbelievers. As Children of Light and of the Day, not of Night or of Darkness, that Day will not overtake us as a thief.
Black Swan is a clever cover for those who are in darkness and have no understanding of Prophetic events as provided to us in the scriptures.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3.
Exactly right. Two different comings. One where we are gathered together unto Him, and the other is the Day of the Lord. Paul was looking for one of those Comings (1 Thessalonians 1:10, Philippians 3:20, 4:5), which is the coming he is beseeching them with. But the other coming, Paul is not looking for (for THAT DAY shall not come except the falling away or Departure happens first and the man of sin is revealed).
@@bugsocsollie1694 Identifying the Falling Away as the Rapture is a clear error and violates the context.
@@TheWatchmansPost3929 how do you explain the falling away?
@@bugsocsollie1694 Departure from the faith, this is what prepares the arrival of the Lawless One.
@@TheWatchmansPost3929 where do you get that context?
How can we be counted worthy to escape all these things if we are ashamed of the Gospel of Christ?
I have listened to Jan Markell many times yet throughout all the years she has been unwilling to adjust her prophetic understanding with the reality of the scriptures.
Part 2 Another example is when you hear Yeshua healing on the sabbath, you come to the conclusion that Yeshua abolished the law, which was the fourth commandment, but when you read the original text Yeshua was following the law of Eruv witch in a particular section on the Sabbath while in motion you was permitted with in the distance stipulated had permission to move with in. You need to understand basic hebrew language to not miss out on the bigger picture. Even Yeshua made references to a book named Yasher.
1 Thessalonians 4 13-18 can not be used to support a pre trib rapture, because nowhere in these verses does it tell u.
WHEN
These things will happen, pre trib, mid trib, post trib, or pre wrath.
The problem with interpretating scripture is that the majority of cristians never use any references or for examples like the Talmud, Michnah, Gemarah, and Zohar to name a few and because of that lack of hebrew references it makes it harder on the ears of the listener's I'll give you one example when you read that Yeshua came to the jews and the jews did not receive him you come to the understanding that all or the majority of the jews did not believe Yeshua teachings but the original text say that Yeshua came to the leaders and the leaders did not receive him, so when I read the original hebrew text I find out the the leaders of second Temple era was Shammai i understood that Shammai did not believe the teachings of Yeshua but Hillel did see major differences.
Shammai and Hillel were always contradicting one another.
We are not the “remnant.” That’s referring to the Jews. Unless I’m mistaken.
You're not mistaken. The 144,000 are taken at the halfway point, and the remnant (believing Israel) will run out into the wilderness where God provides for them. Revelation 12 sign. The 144,000 will be found worthy to escape all these things.
The Apostle Paul makes it clear that our gathering unto Christ will not take place until there is a falling away (Apostasy) first, and the Son of Perdition (AntiChrist) is revealed.
The Falling away is the gathering together unto Christ. It happens before the ac is revealed. The ac is revealed when he confirms Israel's covenant, which is what kicks off Israel's 70th week. Christ returns immediately after their 70th week.
@@bugsocsollie1694 Your comment is not in line with the Truth provided to us in the scriptures.
The Time of Jacob's Trouble and the Wrath of the Lamb does not begin until the midpoint of the 70th week. The AntiChrist and his armies will make seige against Jerusalem and commit the Abomination of Desolation at the midpoint. Mathew 24 and Luke 21 makes this clear.
If Israel identified the AntiChrist as their long awaited Messiah as many speculate, why would he have to make seige against Jerusalem with his armies as identified in Luke 21?
The ac confirms Israel's covenant with the many (as opposed to the few, the remnant). The 144,000 will be all over the earth preaching their Gospel, and will not be falling for the ac's tricks. The 144,000 will also be teaching Israel, many of which started off believing the ac guy, but turned to Christ through the 144,000. The 144k will be taken at the midway point, but believing Israel will run out into the wilderness where God provides for them.
@@bugsocsollie1694 The "covenant with many" does not identify Israel or the contents of this covenant. Scholars have made assumptions and speculations, yet these are not biblical fact.
Did the Lord or His Apostles as our example whine and complain saying woe is me? Of course not, they endured affliction, torture, and even death to proclaim the Good News.
So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward. Ezekiel 39:22.
You are applying Israel's doctrine for their 70th week to the Body of Christ Church. The 144,000 Jews will be found worthy to escape the 2nd half of Israel's 70th week. They will be preaching their Gospel during the 1st half to all the world. They will be picking up where the original Apostles left off. It isn't for the Body of Christ. He ascended up before their 70th week was supposed to begin the first time. Just like we will ascend up before it actually happens.
What I am identifying is that God will provide security for Israel. They will not need any security agreement with the AntiChrist in the aftermath of the Gog/Magog battle of Ezekiel 38/39. Therefore Israel being part of the "covenant with many" is a fable, not based on scriptural reality.
There is also nowhere in scripture that identifies the 144,000 as evangelists.
@rodneydezarn5763 yes, Revelation 12 sign, the man child (144k) is taken up to God and the woman (believing Israel) runs out into the wilderness where God provides for them (come out of her my people, is about this very event: great Tribulation). The rest of Israel (unbelieving Israel) stay and take the Mark.
@bugsocsollie1694 Again, there is no scriptural evidence that supports the idea that the 144,000 are evangelists, this is but one of many assumptions from scholars.
Although I would prefer the PreTrib Rapture position, I can not deny the Truth as presented in the scriptures.
It's Israel's 70th week. It's their prophecy and their doctrine is accordingto that Prophecy. Pentecost was to seal them with the Holy Spirit, just like the 144,000 of Revelation 7 will be sealed. It's the reason for all those gifts and protections in Mark 16. It's why Israel was selling all that they had and giving to the community of believers. They knew in a moments notice they would have to leave everything in a hurry. They have a different doctrine for a different purpose.
Do you see any evidence of Jacob (Israel) experiencing any Trouble before the seige on Jerusalem by the AntiChrist and his armies at the midpoint of the 70th week as identified in Luke 21?
Jacob's Trouble does not begin until very near the midpoint of the 70th week.
@rodneydezarn5763 not in Luke, but I do in Matthew and in Mark
@@bugsocsollie1694 Not until after the Abomination of Desolation which is at the midpoint of the 70th week.
There are no Black Swan events for the Church. The Holy Spirit is our Comforter, leads us unto all truth, and shows us things yet to take place.
Nope, that's for the 144k.
@bugsocsollie1694 Is all endtimes events centered around the 144,000 as you seem to suggest? We have no idea what the 144,000 do, there is nothing in the scriptures that reveal their purpose or task.
@rodneydezarn5763 Actually, we do know what they're doing. Today Israel is fallen and diminished.
But they will rise and shine as a light unto the Gentiles during a time of darkness (Israel's 70th week, Tribulation, Jacob's trouble). Isaiah 60:1-3
They will be picking up where the 1st century Apostles left off before Israel's fall. They will be preaching Israel's Gospel of the Kingdom in all the world before the end comes (Matthew 24:14). The "end" is the 2nd half of Israel's 70th week. We see them in heaven in Revelation 14, at the midway point. The Great Multitude are Gentiles that come to Christ through them. There's more info on it if you want it.
@@bugsocsollie1694 This is an assumption not based on biblical fact.
@rodneydezarn5763 are you not familiar with Israel's OT prophecies that say they will be a light unto the Gentiles? That every family on earth will be blessed through them? That they will be a nation of kings and Priests to the Gentiles?
Only one of those ot prophecies says they will rise (from their current fallen state) and shine as a light unto the Gentiles during a time of darkness. Christ comes as a thief IN THE NIGHT (that means it's dark when He comes to set up His kingdom). Amos 5:18, it's a day of darkness.
It's Scripture, and it is sound doctrine.
Am I hearing you correctly? Are you saying that believers will be here during the first 3.5 years. Where are the 2 witnesses and angels and the 144000 in your discourse? What is the mechanism that squares with prophecy.
And how do you ever dare to suggest that God is indifferent to the struggles of his people. He says he is an ever present help in trouble. He is enemy to no man and that He is for us. Your words are not encouraging or suggestive of a loving God. Do you believe some deserve wrath and some don't based on good works? Indeed, Paul suffered greatly and it was because of the enemy hating him, not surely to a lack of good works. But he was preserved to fulfill God's will. I'd prefer you spoke directly and not leave so much of your message to guess work.
Do not be deceived, we will enter the refiners fire. Persecution and Tribulations are not a curse, they are a blessing.
Hi Mitch - No sir. I believe the rapture of the church will take place before the 7 year Tribulation begins (before antichrist confirms the covenant, beginning Daniel's 70th Week). I'm saying that there will be those who become followers of Chrkist during the Tribulation period (often therefore referred to as "tribulation saints")
...and I never said (or in any way believe) that God is indifferent to the struggles of His people
Read Ezekiel 38/39, there will be no need for Israel to entrust their security with the AntiChrist.
_Heaven must receive_ Jesus Christ "until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began" Acts 3:20-21. Compare Acts 1:6-7.
Therefore, the Lord will not _descend_ from heaven, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
God has not altered prophecy for the church of the mystery. The prophetic "coming of the Lord", 1 Thessalonians 4:15, occurs only _one_ time, not two or more times.
In 1 Thessalonians 5:9 wrath is contrasted with _salvation,_ not _location._
Therefore, during God's wrath the Lord expects us to keep watching. Revelation 16:15.
Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that _watcheth, and keepeth his garments,_ lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
_They kept their garments._ Revelation 16:15. These are the same company described in Revelation 17:14, the church militant, said to be in heaven because that is often called the kingdom of heaven, and because their names are written in heaven (Hebrews 12:23), and they are of heavenly extract, they are born from above, and are partakers of the heavenly calling (Hebrews 3:1). Comapare Ephesians 2:6.
Etheridge's translation of the Syraic Peschito renders it, "armies _of_ heaven," which is clearly more accurate.
Murdock's translation of the Peschitta (added later) renders it, "the soldiery _of_ heaven."
You can not have a Falling Away or Apostasy, strong delusion, and men not enduring sound doctrine, then claim there will be Tribulation Saints. Believers alive today are those Saints.
Do you not brlieve what the Bible says?
I believe there are "Tribulation Saints" and we who are alive today are those Tribulation Saints.
@@TheWatchmansPost3929 We are not in tribulation now,nor will we be here for tribulation. If you don't believe in pretribulation rapture,why do you come and comment on them? Just to sow discord among the brethern? Jesus warns about that also. Thank you for fulfilling bible prophecy.
@nanadeborah8717 The Truth is an offense to many!
@@TheWatchmansPost3929 Exactly. Which is why you troll pretribulation sites to mock and scoff. Luke 21:36 Jesus tells us we can escape all these things coming upon the face of the earth. Did Jesus lie? Luke was a gentile writing to gentiles.
1Corinthians 15;51-52 and 1Thessalonians 15-18. How would one comfort someone by telling them that they would be tortured and killed? The Greek word Paul used for mystery means a secret doctrine now revealed. There is no secret that tribulation will be a time of persecution. The tribulation is Jacob's Trouble, it is to bring Israel to their Messiah,Jesus. If you are a true believer who puts all of your faith in what Jesus did on the cross shedding His blood to cover the sins of mankind,past,present and future. He died,rose again and is coming back for us before tribulation. There are no works that you can do to save yourself. Your trust must be fully in Jesus. Tribulation starts with the seals opening. Jesus opens the seals. They are not the devil's wrath. They are the wrath of God since Jesus is fully God as the 2nd Person of the Trinity. The church of Philadelphia speaks tobthe faithful Christians who are weary from seeing what is coming and waiting for the rapture. The church of Laodecia is most ofthe present day church, not watching and relying on themselves for salvation. These will become the tribulation saints.
Why are so many trolling pretribulation sites and spewing vitriol against the pretribulation rapture even to the point of calling it demonic? In my humble opinion,it is because Satan knows it is true. He just doesn't know when it is,but he knows it is close just as we who ae watching know. He uses people like you to cast doubt among believers and turn them away from the gospel of truth and the comfort of the coming rapture. I pray that the scales fall from your eyes and you can see.
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