Why do superhero movies not boost comic sales?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Over in Japan, anime is often created entirely to boost the sales of its source material (manga, light novels, toys, etc.). And it works. So why are comic sales dropping even as superhero movies are still breaking records? Also some background on #ComicsGate .
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Well I'd say it's been long enough, time to confess. hslkd hgelx and Ioana Popa got it right. Got Houseki no Kuni (Land of the Lustrous) on order.
Most popular guess was Black Clover though. Now my expectations for that anime are through the roof, hopefully it can deliver!
LOL people likely forget that there are also other good serise (Manga) besides most popular this season like Black Clover and Magus Bride. My second option were Girls Last Tour and maybe Inujashiki ( but that one is not out jet). But I am happy that you enjoy the Anime and I can say the Manga has a beautiful artstyle and story 😉😉
Black Clover seems generic as hell...
because my dude. Action Superhero movies are good fantasy sci/fi but you can call comic books ''graphic novels'' as much as you please and they're still for children.
Black clover naruto with magic but not good. Main charater wants to be hokage I read like 20 chapters and quit
Really RGE? You like the androgynous gem creature human things (not criticizing)? Honestly, they just look like flat chicks (full disclosure, I love small titties) to me lol, but androgynous is hard to portray to be fair. Their hips are too feminine (to look androgynous) and just having flat chests doesn't really lend them an androgynous look. If they had straight hips (or had a really close hip to waste ratio), feminine faces and voices, I think they could have pulled off androgyny better.
I've only watched the first episode of the Anime and it's strange enough to mildly interest me, so I'll keep watching, but maybe the Manga has really great art and does a better job. To those of you slagging on the Anime, your opinion is shit! Why? Because I said so! Oh... you don't like that? Why should I care about your opinion on anime adaptations of your favorite manga if you don't care about my not reading a single manga? It's just an opinion, you're not objective any more than I am.
Personally, the Overlord Anime is fucking awesome as far as I'm concerned and I have no interest in reading fucking Manga (same goes for comics). Idgaf about that shit, but at least I don't call it crap and act all smug and shitty. To each his/her own is a far better philosophy.
There's a great irony when manga like one punch man and my hero academia which are deconstructions of western heroes have better stories and characters. I'd actually be willing to bet more people can point out Saitama from one punch man than there are people that can point out any SJW Marvel character.
Right you are!
Damn right. Well, Saitama and Deku weren't shoved down the consumers' throats for "diversity," and the authors actually gave a shit, so...
I'm looking forward to the day that there are more Japanese superhero cosplays at a ComiCon than there are 'Murican ones.
Raging Golden Eagle When I went to the Salt Lake comic con there was a group of 6 or 5 people cosplaying as characters from my hero academia. I was cosplaying as Shigaraki and we took a group picture together.
WTF!? OPM & MHA are nowhere near a deconstruction. In fact they are the exact opposite; a reconstruction.
"We don't need your money!"
"i don't need your product"
"WAIT THATS NOT HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK"
Internet comics are a thing and they have far more freedoms with story telling, art and so on. You can even see a drawn nipple in the internet!
that is the comics i read now. i grew up on traditional comics, but they cost a bit for not much, and you generally can't buy old comics repackaged into one of those books with like a year's worth of comics in one 5 or ten years after the fact.
Shame they struggle to succeed because a poor reputation (tumblr) and a terrible media that hates edgy content.
not bad, but isn't really a story similar to marvel style comics. try order of the stick, or erfworld.
atonement camp is pretty good, though it hasn't finished and you need to be willing to go to hentai sites to read it. not really a hentai comic, just has sex as a important element.
Just Skip ~ I had to laugh at that because the Comics Code Authority forced comic authors to draw even men with no nipples. Which sounds weird even talking about it now. Oh and they removed cleavage lines from women so they had one giant boob with no nipples.
May God damn Fredric Wertham to eternally read SJW comics. Idiot.
RGE let me spoil Iron Heart for you.....
Riri Williams is the most sociopathic little brat out of all of the new marvel characters who gets praised and glorified at every single turn and you will end up with pure hatred for this character if you read any of the invincible iron man issues as well as her generations issue.
Done.
Well, even without the blatant insult of replacing Tony Stark, she still has the problem of being a "sociopathic little brat," not of being black or woman.
And of course people avoid her because she's a black woman.
However, she offers PLENTY of potential for a GREAT SuperVILLAIN.
Diversity & Comics had a nice idea there.
It's hard work to write a character that is far smarter than the writer is. It's far easier to have other characters praise her as smart. Of course that falls apart if the character acts stupid and has no idea what she is doing or saying.
From the descriptions on one vid, Riri is a Mary Sue. Boring.
I LOVE the MCU. But the _comics_ ? Too much to catch on, way too expensive, and beside, the stories and characters are buried so deep under the SJW cesspool that they have NOTHING in common with the great movies. Except maybe Spiderman Homecoming. Too much forced "diversity" that one.
I find it funny the fact the comics nowadays try so hard to be inclusive and mangas don't give a shit and write what they like, and yet I see much more women buying manga than comics.
Really makes you think
Yeah, I see a MUCH higher percentage of women/girls at anime conventions (I'd estimate at least 60% from what I personally see when I go) than at comic cons.
Even the Senran Kagura creators say about 30-40% of their audience is female.
Raging Golden Eagle
I was actually suprised when I found that out personally.
Because manga give women what they want: attractive characters, good development, a soap-opera styled continuous story, usually with a definitive ENDING, no bullshit SJW nonsense and feminist preaching (maybe some women WANT to be girly, every think of that??) and actual emotional and well framed plot-twisting moments. Western comics have none of that anymore. Women don't want "strong female" characters, they want realistic ones. Japan gets us!
90% of Mangas are teenage boy/girl in school meets some supernatural creature/being but the focus is still the kid making friends and getting a girl the supernatural creature is just a b story
one piece manga/anime has characters that basically transvestite and when you read you do not notice the social justice stuff because the author treats all his character in his manga like real people who are not put in a higher or lower standing. they are just like another character with goals and personality.
Well, the price point also helps with the sales, With Manga you pay $10 and get a whole book, with Comics you pay $5 and get only a few pages, granted comics USED to hold up here because they were in color but also because they told in depth stories with plenty of things going on in the background, like with Locke and Key I am STILL finding new things I didn't notice before each time I re-read that series that make it just that much better than the last time that I want to go read it all over again. But then again the few comic publishers that are doing ok at this time are publishers that have either stuck to their guns, or are producing material that is more tailored to their audiences, IDW and DC for example are squashing Marvel right now and it's sad because I remember when Marvel was the biggest there was and while DC was a close second you had a harder time finding a DC fan than a Marvel fan and the ONLY DC title that mattered was Batman. Now Marvel has no titles anyone wants to read, every DC hero is selling more comics alone than all of marvel combined and IDW is sticking to putting out stand alone stories with good writing and a handful of properties like Voltron and Transformers, which alone may not be crushing Marvel but as a whole IDW is still outselling Marvel, at least from what I've seen in several Comic Book stores where many formerly Marvel shelves are being taken over by IDW and the stacks on unsold books are much MUCH smaller even though the quantity ordered is roughly the same.
I think the problem is abit more complex than: SJWs ruined it. Manga for the most part is continuous and singularly contained. You pick up a volume of it and it's just ONE story, following ONE set of characters in ONE universe... But try a comic book and theres like 50 iterations of the same hero, multiverses, flash points, it gets ridiculous and it's hard to jump into! It's similar to why I have a hard time trying to get into the fate series despite how interested I am, it's complicated and multi-faceted. I don't think it's JUST the sjws here...
Unlike the Fate universe, each of the 50 different versions of a superhero is usually self contained.
True but you gotta admit for the average joe looking to get into comics it's a problem. Comics aren't so easy to get into, I'm sure SJW politics is also affecting sales I just don't think it's that clear cut.
Not really self contained. Sure, they might fine for a time, but sooner or later there's going to be some cross over event, and suddenly you need to have read all the other books to fully know what's happening. If not that, then some one off villain for 40 years ago will turn up, and the audience is expected to already know who they are.
I bout the marvel mangaverse editions and then ran like hell... tho I had a weak moment and gave my older brother my copy of the Star Wars Manga. Still kicking myself for that! (Luke's hairstyle actually looks good as a manga character in A New Hope lolL
Watching the Ufotable adaptations is the easier way to get into FATE nowdays. Back in the day you actually had to read the Visual Novel.
Women watch Wonder Woman and Atomic Blonde and then think they can beat up men LOL. Hilarious.
They beat up men every day using divorce courts. Wonder Women!
Stereo Typist You know what irked me about Atomic Blonde? This TV spot where Theron's character says this "never send a man to do a woman's job" so incredibly sexist, but guess what? It wasn't in the movie and come to think of it I don't think Charlize Theron actually said it in the TV spot.
Woman need to start watching my movies. If yall have any feedback on my acting plz tell me.
Ayy, Johnny! Love your work. :^)
I wanna defend women but im still whining and depressed about the Biggest L i got From Donald Trump.
TheBechtloff did a nice breakdown of another additional problem: these stores are forced to carry a certain quantity of the garbage titles in order to secure the amounts for desired ones. At the moment DC is outselling Marvel in comic books because DC reigned that garbage back in rather than doing a Marvel by doubling down.
Google "Kotobukiya Squirrel Girl Statue"
Cute, eh?
And now google actual Squirrel Girl comic made by Henderson
Wanna punch u so fucking hard man... deleting this outta my brain now it's gonna take shitloads of vodka
Hey, it's Halloween season after all. Happy nightmares.
Google Squirrel Girl meets Daredevil. Back when she was drawn like a woman and somewhat sexy. If you're into the tail.
Enzo Matrix The tail can tickle my chest while I ream her.
Demien C For fuck's sake, she looks like a bully from Ed, Edd N' Eddy.
marvel/ dc comics suffer from several major problems
* it never goddamn ends
* the series are managed by several writers, creating internal inconsistencies
* style over substance at a heavy degree, far more than manga/anime could ever have
* superman's been running for 80+ years...
* spiderman's been going for 50+ years...
* boredom over the stuff is kicking in...
Comparing (most of) the superhero movies to the current crop of SJW-infested "comics" is like comparing a prime cut of steak to cow manure. The superhero movies draw from a better vanished time before the Anita Sar-Sleazy-ans of the world ruined everything.
Couldn't agree more. I quit reading American comic books months ago. Going to pick up the manga versions of anime series that were cut short (One Punch Man, Gangsta, etc.) and probably Fist of the North Star.
I watched the new Spiderman Homecoming. And... IT SUCKED SOME MAJOR DIVERSITY ASS!
What was wrong with it?
I haven't watched it, but I heard it was pretty good.
Unfortunately, this really doesn't track. Comics readership has been declining for decades. Even when the Keaton Batman movies were out and popular, it didn't boost comics sales. It's not just the current SJW push. The problem is far deeper:
1. Comics still have the stigma of nerd/kid material in the U.S. that Manga doesn't have in Japan.
2. Comics are not an economical entertainment choice. Spend $4 for 1/6 of a story that you buzz through in 20 minutes versus spending $15 on a movie. Manga compilations are much more economical. You simply get more story for the money.
3. Catering to the comic shops has left comic books as a specialty item that requires a special trip to a store that pretty much caters to the "geek culture".
4. Most of the movies are adaptations, at best and don't directly relate to the comics directly. For example Captain America: Civil War is only MARGINALLY similar to the story in the comics. It's better than the comic, as well. However, to understand the comic version, you also have to learn who The New Warriors are and who Nitro is. Then there's Maria Hill, who's a good guy in the film and is, at best, a major government pain in the ass in the comics who arrests people for breaking laws that haven't even been passed yet. A lot of Manga and Anime are telling the same story with much fewer alterations. Also, the movies tend to pinpoint the characters' most iconic point (e.g. Spider-Man in High School/College), not how they've changed over decades of character development (Spider-Man as a billionaire CEO - I didn't say the development was all good).
5. Comics push crossovers so much that it becomes an actual chore to follow your favorite characters.
6. They've been targeting the same people for decades. Not the same demographic, the same PEOPLE. The people who were teens in the 80's when comic shops blew up and casual fans were left in the dust are still a good chunk of the readers today. Even if a kid COULD get their hands on a comic, their parents wouldn't pay the outrageous price for one, and probably would approve of the subject matter in a lot of them given how even mainstream comics have guys being decapitated.
7. Instead of building up 2nd or 3rd tier characters or creating new ones, their solution to sales is to "put X in Y's costume". This has been going on for years and isn't just about SJW. Sometimes, it's been a legitimate storyline reason to prove WHY "Y" is the real hero of the story and can't be easily replaced. Even when there were SJW reasons, they actually took the time to create characters and write stories that made people care (Rhodey as Iron Man, John Stewart as Green Lantern, Jaime Reyes as Blue Beetle). Now, they just crap on the entire history of the character and actually have the balls to say they weren't ever really great characters to begin with (see Thor).
8. While Manga and Anime are part of a related marketing blitz, Movies aren't really made with the comic books in mind. Note how there's movie merchandise alongside regular merchandise of the same characters. They really aren't treated as a single business.
While the SJW may have accelerated superhero comics' decline, it was well in place before the current trend. They'd done plenty to alienate casual and younger readers
You should read Ironheart( sounds like a fucking care bear) and see her as a child telling her teacher to be racist to her, yes, that actually fucking happened!
I did see that in a D&C video :P
Raging Golden Eagle Bloody embarrassing lol I couldn't stop laughing at that.
Well, I'm not sure if the "diversity" differences between the movies and the comics are the only factor.
Anime often tell only a part of an ongoing story, but to get the rest of the same story you started watching, you have to buy the manga. When an anime just started with the first episode, a viewer has two choices:
1. Be patient an wait for the next episodes to come out for the story to continue
2. Buy the source material and get the rest of the story *right now*
Superhero movies are completely separate story and don't necessarily have any direct relation to the comics besides having the same protagonist(s).
I think a lot of it also has to do with how inaccessible comics are compared to manga. With Manga, there's one author and 1 ongoing storyline with 1 beginning that will eventually come to an end. Even if the Straw Hats take another 50 years to find One Piece, if I wanna read it, I at least know where to start and I know that everything that happens is leading up the them finding One Piece. Hell even with stuff that's meant to just keep going like Pokemon, there's at least a beginning and a progression. With comics, you've got likely hundreds of different storylines and continuities that do their own thing with a crap ton of different people working on them with some of this stuff dating back to before some people's great-grandparents were born
I was watching Amazing Spiderman 2 and couldn't believe how lame the plot was.
Yup. Where I live the comic stores have all closed down.
My experience exactly! There was a line of inhuman comics I thought would be good to get into, but when I read it there was an entire two perhaps three pages devoted to a sob story about an old lady who wouldn’t matter later. I saw this as bad writing, so bad I never spent another penny on that comic book. Then I noticed the political messaging in other Marvel comics, and decided to just avoid them all together. We read comics to escape, not have SJW dung slapped in our faces.
Is it Capt Ecchi the Tentacle Warrior the second Cumming
What? on second thought it would not surprise me if that is an actual manga series.
Holy cow dude, I think it is awesome you know about Diversity and Comics. I love both of your channels!
The only comics that I got into were the comics that came with each bimonthly issue of Lego Club magazine such as Bionicle, Hero Factory, and Power Miners. I still have tens of comics I collected over the years from those issues stored in a shoebox. Ah, good memories, good memories.
I know for sure it isn't the one you're reading, but you should really try "Mahou Shoujo Site", it's awesome and will even get it's own anime in 2018!
Movie ticket in a cheap cinema: 10 bucks, 1 and a half hours of entertainment of a bombastic scale. Add popcorn and a drink to about 20 bucks, maybe 30 if you get ripped off or don't shop around.
Books: 5 to 10 bucks, 20 if you want a hardcover, more for signed editions. Hundreds of pages, up to days of entertainment, many with a beginning, middle and end, no future purchase required.
Comic cost in a typical store: 5 to 10 bucks, low double digit pages, finished in minutes, often just a small part of a story so you have to buy a few up to a dozen of them to get the entire story arc. Good luck finding them if they're older or rare, too. Often you can't get all of the books of one arc in the same shop as some of them came out too long ago and aren't selling well anymore.
You do the math.
Marvel has cornered the US market on comic books, which is probably why their abysmal sales are raising so much ire with retailers.
If a company like Bioware goes tits-up, no retailer has to care. The gaming industry is used to companies failing, it's been going on since the beginning. There are literally thousands of other companies just waiting to pick up the slack that Bioware left behind. Hell, there are even companies that make money re-coding games for other platforms, like Feral Games for instance.
The same is true for Manga. This shows a basic rule of capitalism is true: monopolies destroy markets.
Don't worry though, it'll sort itself out. I just hope the retailers can hold out long enough.
Honestly, I love both. They have provided so much influence one each other and comics have a world so expansive that Manga doesn't even compare yet Manga has such fucking great stories it's beautiful
I wonder what would happen if we combine both..?
I'm a manga person and not a comic book person as well. The only American comic I have read in its entirety is "Red Sun" which imagines what might have happened if Superman crashed in Soviet Russia instead of America.
Having said that, I can imagine Marvel (and DC for that matter) would make a lot of money if they reissued the original comics of all the superheroes they are featuring on the Big Screen. Introduce the first comics of Iron Man, Captain America, etc. to a new audience. "See where it all began!!"
(If they are doing that already, great. Like I said, I don't follow comic books.)
Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case for now (But it wouldn't be a bad idea honestly).
People don't go out and buy a Spider-man comic after a new Spider-man movie comes out for the simple reason that they are basically not even related to each other any more.
This is really only the case with Marvel and DC comics. For everything else, adaptions usually do dramatically increase sales of the original. For example, The Walking Dead TV show greatly improved the sales of the comic, because the show is an actual adaption of the storyline of the comic (abet with a few changes, but still following the same basic outline of the comic). Same goes for any manga that gets an anime adaption, or for a book series that gets a movie or TV adaption. Adaptions almost always help the sales of the originals. All except for Marvel and DC. The simple truth about Marvel and DC comics is that not only are they unrelated to the adaptions that popularize their characters, but now-a-days most of the comics are just straight up bad.
The movies are close enough adaptations of the comics.... from YEARS ago, that you can't find anymore unless you are willing to pay $rape collector prices!
The only way I wish manga were more like western comics would be if they used colour more.
4:52 You've triggered me by reminding me that many of the Ecchi anime I like I'll never get more on the story because the novels aren't being translated. Moving on to the main topic, I honestly forget that the Marvel movies are even based on comics sometimes. Then I see what the comics currently are and return to not giving a shit.
@Raging Golden Eagle There's a second problem to "reading the mango" when it comes to western comics, MESSED UP or insanely long CONTINUITY.
I can get hooked up on an anime and then ask my Weeb SSS friend "hey, did the anime adapt faithfully the Manga? if so in which chapter did it end? Or do I have to read from the begging to get those cool parts that got left out" AND THAT'S IT.
Comics on the other hand, have the characters continuity spread not just on their main series, but also on their either guest or regular appearances on other comics, and these not always match up really well.
So basically you have to give up all that awesome story from before to even start consuming the comics... Wait, didn't I get into this comic because I wanted to get all that I was missing? But where do I even begin?
That's right, that's HOW fucked up every newbie comic reader is.
Manga/LN is just one linear history, and unless you read friggin one piece or Hajime No Ippo, You can catch up in a couple days of intense reading.
Isn't it because anime is usually true to the story manga is offering? And when you compare comic book and movie based on it.. well while movie could be total badass comic books are full of SJW.
And you know the cherry on top? It costs less to produce anime than it costs to produce movies. And even the anime often breaks records in terms of sales. Look at Kimi no Na Wa (Your Name) for example.
I’ve read the Citrus manga up to the most recent issue (not ashamed), and when I heard that an anime was being made for it, I screamed a bit out of excitement. When I saw Spider-Man Homecoming, I thought “Welp, they did it again.” Just comes to show the difference between anime/manga vs marvel. DC is still pretty cool though.
Cyberdimension Neptunia: 4 Goddesses Online just came out in the west... my copy is coming from Iffy herself. I even got an email from her the other day about the printing on one of the discs not being up to par and that they included a second disc in the box with good print on it. Good old Iffy, always looking out for her fans.
Ah, I better have said... "Off Topic" first.
Ahh, interesting. I would like to know how the translation turned out...
Exactly! Except for the few original anime series, most are just watered down versions of the original works (manga, light-novel, or "heavy"-novel), but not necessarily in a bad way.
Some of my examples:
Excellent: Gokukoku no Brynhildr, Suzumiya Haruhi series, Ichigo Mashimaro, Mokke, Konohana[tei] kitan, Iriya no Sora, Yokohama kaidashi kikou, etc.
Good: Upotte, Kumamiko, Gakkou-gurashi, Hidamari Sketch, Sketchbook, Re-kan, Sore ga Seiyuu, Pita-Ten, Momoiro Sisters, ARIA/AQUA, etc.
Not so good: Outbreak Company (novel actually started good, but went the sucky way, so I stopped buying).
Unknown: Shin-sekai yori ("heavy" novel - I haven't managed to really read this one yet), Seikai no Monshou/Senki series. I'm saving these for my retirement.
Note, for some of these, I actually had the original works before anime even existed. In particular, Mokke (manga) is like 10 levels higher up than the anime. In fact, I never even finished watching a single episode of the anime. Too watered down.
I also own DVD/BD of many of these (Japanese imports).
It's also kind of cool when something I've owned for years becomes an anime. If "EDEN, It's an Endless World" ever becomes an anime (or live-action), that would be like insane. However, it would require an insane amount of budget, and I can't really imagine a way to water down something like that, so I don't think it'll ever happen.
Another special mention for "Kurogane Communication." The anime was based on an original manga, which I never read. However, I did buy an offshoot 2-volume light novel, written by Akiyama, Mizuhito (the same author who wrote the original Iriya no Sora, UFO no Natsu). I think it was the first light novel that made me cry.
I really like comic book movies, but the only comics I ever read were Star Wars comics back in the day.
Light Novel > Web Novel > Manga> Anime > Movie.
Boku no Piko Unlimited
You think I wouldn't have already preordered that?
Whangam traps > thots
Libin Wang >The undisputed truth
Is the anime/manga Old Magus Bride? That looks great.
Joey Carthew I was going by one of the translations, but I prefer Ancient anyway.
7:52 Hmm, ok, let me take a guess! :-)
umm... Boku no pico? :-p
Seriously though: glad you took Houseki. It's really a good anime.
Black Clover has been overhyped; imho, it's more of a dime a dozen anime. A weak marketing mix between Naruto, boku no academia and fairy tail. the manga is slightly better (because the pacing is better), but still.
The money these massive companies spend on comics is negligible. They literally only do it so that they can maintain the facade that they're true to their roots. They give absolutely no shits, precisely why the industry has degraded to the point where it is now. I've never been into comics but I have read a few and I gotta say, these things used to be as edgy and interesting as Manga. I can only imagine that the puritan craze of the 1980s killed that off quickly. It's also a shame that the comic industry is trapped by this "superhero" shit. For whatever reason, the manga industry is extremely diverse.
Are you gonna do a video on Marvel's recent comic book cancellations, like Ice Man, Gwenpool, and even the America series and so on?
I can't wait until comic movies die out.
Prince Revolver well unfortunately, it will be a long time later (In my opinion).
I've enjoyed most of them, but I'll probably be done with them after Infinity War.
Don't say that....
I've seen many a people who say they love the movies, DC and Marvel, but the moment I get excited and ask if they've read any Cosmic GhostRider or Spiderman 2099 or Old Man Logan they're like "Idk what that is."
I've said it for years. Almost all of the people who watch and love these comic movies have never purchased or read an actual comic.
Cus they all suck? There have been a few times where I saw an anime and thought "Hey, this is cool, I want more" and I read the manga. I have not once watched a superhero movie and thought "this is so good I want to waste my time reading about it!"
I skip on comics because they lack badass- factor.
Game Retailers were on the way out when Gamergate happened anyway, having changed from great places to buy games, to overpriced second hand shops that want to shove pre-orders down your throat. These days, it seems people buy games at supermarkets and online. Neither of which are going to care about what's going on in the games industry.
Anime being made at a loss baffles me. Much like hollywood films, tech made shows look better, and be made faster and cheaper, but whereas back in the day the OVA market was booming, now I keep hearing of horrible hours and companies barely surviving.
As for people not going from films to comics, part of it might be that the comics have 70 years of backstory, have multiple cross overs, and are expensive for what you get. You can get a manga in volumes for about £5-10 each, for a comic it's £3 for a sliver of story that's barely a chapter of a manga, and you can't just read Ironman, or you won't have the full picture when the next cross over even happens. Add in the SJWs in comics, and stories written to maintain the status quo, and it's no surprise that no one cares about comics.
Oddly enough, I've seen it argued that comics are written at a loss to test for how people will react to new characters/story lines for the films. I don't buy it, but it might be like anime if it is true.
One final thing. The comic shops in the next town over also sell board games, war games, and RPGs. Said games seem to be taking up more and more space. It will come as no surprise that SJWs have tried to get into board games too, but that's for another time I think.
SJW have already tried it a few times, there's a bunch of articles of people complaining about representation in Warhammer 40k, same for things like D&D with articles about de-colonising it by having games where you don't go slaughter the monsters and get their loot.
Most Americans these days can't be bothered to read, not even comic books. I quit reading comics regularly a long time ago because PC was starting to get ridiculous in them. However, I have checked a few now and then and I haven't been impressed and also it seems that they are half ads these days. I'm not going to pay that price for a crap story squeezed in between the ads.
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I read but when I do it's not some comic book that has 10 to 20 pages.
So basically, they took the great characters they had away and replaced them with bullshit. I feel like if they'd just sell those characters from the movies, and if they really want to, do it alongside the other stuff, they'd get more sales. I hear and see people talk about great comics/comic characters all the time, but they're never "Iron Heart" and whatever else they're trying to push.
As for that last question, Junni Taisen? Food Wars? I doubt it's Black Clover or something.
Personally this also why I'm reading from lesser known American comic publishers like Dark Horse. You know comic publishers who made comics like Alien vs. Predator before the movie was ever made. Those were better than the movies ever could be. Tho that isn't gonna keep me around for long if they fall down the same well as Marvel and shit.
The structure of a Manga series can be compared fairly easily to a Novel series. It's one long continuous story, with each installment continuing the story from the last. And 99.9% of the time, they are written by one person for their entire duration. One person, with one person's vision for a story.
This is not the case with Marvel and DC comics. They have an ever revolving staff of writers and artists for every single series. There is no story to follow, as they are ever changing. Every couple of months every comic book becomes a completely different one. No one has a vision and there's no point in investing time in a story that has no purpose or has no plans of ever ending. To Marvel and DC, their comics and characters are simply merchandise, the same as T-shirts and lunch boxes.
Narratively, I would sooner compare Marvel and DC comics to Sunday Night Football games then to works of art with an actual story. Every Sunday night the game starts and everyone crowds around the TV screen to watch which team will beat the other, knowing all to well what to expect from each of their favorite players and what their strengths and weaknesses are, and then after one team prevails and the game is over they all leave and come back the next week to see the same game played all over again, and they do this for all eternity and never get tired of it.
It's pure madness. Their comics are hot garbage. Only ignorant teens who don't know any better and blind fanboys to old to turn their backs on their life long passion can even stomach them. The comic book branches of these companies deserve to go bankrupt and dissolve apart, but the merchandising and film branches are keeping them afloat for now. It's a true shame. With Marvel and DC Comics gone, other publishers and creatives with more artistic integrity can rise to take there place. People might even start to view the artistic medium of sequential art as something other than just tales of bodybuilders flying around wearing brightly colored spandex tights.
Great analogy to football games.
Kids don't read comics anymore. I'm 23 and when I was a kid I literally knew no one who read Batman Spiderman Iron Man ect. No one under 30 reads comics, the buyers are mostly aging fanboys who read them. Why would kids read comics when they can watch TV RUclips video games internet. They just don't care.
In France kids still read the likes of Astrix or Smurfs and every one still loves them. But in the Anglospear it's a nerd thing only. In my Grandpa's day everyone read them but since the late 70s it's been a nerd only thing. And that's because in the 50s there was no internet or video games and at most 30 minutes of cartoons on tv a night if you where lucky. Comics where the only thing you had.
I buy directly on DL-SITE and DMM, so I always get EXACTLY what I'm looking for :)
Thanks for the coverage !!!
Classroom of the elite? It just finished and I really liked it. I just got the first volume of that manga. And yes, the anime is what sold it to me xD I like how the manga often has a lot of differences. Like in Akame ga kill, it is pretty much the same up to a certain point and then it becomes waaaaaaaaaaay different. Like the former, I saw the anime and then read the manga. The model works.
The model works if you can read Japanese.
You don't have to know Japanese. They make manga in English too :)
But it can take a long time to get an English translation for some series. So in a lot of cases the "model" doesn't really work well for foreigners.
Ahh okay, I see what you mean now.
I'm wondering how long until those resellers turn to other things? Before long, They are going to have to sell something to make up for the failing comics sales, then they will turn completely away from comics if the trend doesn't change.
Most already are. I mentioned "generic nerd shops" because they are branching out into CCG's, tabletop, etc.
They need to turn them into manga shops, and such. Can't find a decent shop for that stuff nearby , but a few generic nerd shops that have a pathetic layout from what I remember shops used to be years ago. Only thing that kills me is the hyperinflated prices of ancillary fan-stuff like figurines from Japan. How can they pay those prices on the regular over there?
Uh oh. Now we just need Shang Tsung on top of a building saying,"IT HAS BEGUN!"
anime usually takes fro the source material and animate it. people go to the manga after anime ends. comics just confusing and watching the movies or cartoon is worth and there is no energy to read the comics
I have actually checked into comics to see about catching a few of the stories I've been interested in for some time yet hard to find the physical copies to actually get the whole story from the very beginning. While a search on Amazon for comics found a side service of theirs that actually has options to buy the full run of which ever story line am interested in at around 50% off the cover price since is so many comics at once. Plus this spot on Amazon offers DC and Marvel. If I just want the story with less cash and less storage then the Amazon option works for me.
While the physical option is going though the countless used copies for the next number in the story line that are looking for and also hope that is the right version so the story does follow along with what read up to then.
Now for manga I have had better luck actually finding the full stories available to be acquired from the beginning. Plus manga even has less books in the line so fewer ones to hunt down as well less spin offs to have to weed through compared to that of the comic book collection.
The comic books themselves are for the most part are being written like shit at the moment. Though with at least one standalone series they haven't even really needed movies to keep on going.
As it is FREW's Phantom is up to 1440 issues according to this website (thephantom.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Phantom_Comics_Published_by_Frew_Publications)
And then there are the Phantom comic strips in news papers...which are still going. (I've only ever gotten the comics sporadically, and most of the time its second hand issues from the 90's).
Diversity and Comics should take a good and long look at Crash Override Network.
"The anime was just a tiny part and the manga show much more. So I'll buy the manga!"
My niece is 16. Epileptic. And have a mental development delay of 5 or 6 years. But regardless she think exactly that! I introduced her to animé and she pretty much discovered manga by herself. And if she know how to read now (not perfectly but we're going there), it's thanks to manga! And American super hero comics? Might as well throw a dead fish in her hands.
Movies based on comic books are normally high bugget so they need to be able to make back that money in the first week if the first day, if they a bad movie people will get a refund and or stop watching stuff made by that person
Comic books is too market driven for me to follow, i might see an interesting storyline just to see it get scrapped because it wasnt selling or it is time for another reboot. Unlike manga, or light novels as long as the writer/mangaka is working on it there's a possibility you'd get to finish it.
Please tell me there is a pingu in the city manga (it even has another season planned for next year, how exciting)
my guess: Mahoutsukai no Yome.
Do I get a cookie now?
Jack Zephyr Nope its Land of the Lustrous or Houseki no Kuni the right answer 😎😎
The last comic i bought was Blacksad. That was like six years ago.
Am I the only person here just becoming aware of Ironhearts existence? Im kind of glad Im not a Marvel comic fan.
So... 1984 Wrongthink. For fictional works. I'd rather have whiskey than bleach at this point.
Hey RGE, huge props for not pronouncing manga as MAN-GAH.
Shōjo Shūmatsu Ryokō (Girls Last Tour) or Kino's Journey seem to be the two great things this season. Kino's Journey is a LN series though, so probably not that.
Super Hero movies are using older source material as has been noted already, and as RGE mentioned; you can't get into the early Iron Man, Thor, Cap or even Guardians stuff unless you want to pay through the nose for a collectible. I stopped following Marvel and DC years ago so I don't know what is available online, or for how much, but if they made scans of the old comics available in PDF format for a reasonable fee, they might get some return on an investment that was paid off long ago. I only recently got back into anime and manga, and if I see something I would like to read now, I can get all the back issues online that I want for a low fee or for free. I love capitalism, but if you price yourself out of the marketplace; you're done. Besides Japan is a completely different head than the West. As mentioned, everyone from the very young reader to the businessman or gray-haired otaku can find his niche, and not be looked down upon in the East, but there is still a bit of a stigma to being a comic book reader in the West (or Gamer, name your poison). In addition, it appears to me as a bit of a newb when it comes to manga fandom that mangas get compiled into sturdier stock a lot more than Western comics, and one can have a bookshelf of them a lot easier than the periodic graphic novel compilations put out by Marvel, et al., and at a more reasonable price too. Still it has been awhile for me since I regularly bought American titles so I may be missing something there. In the end, I don't see the MCU, DCU or whatever as really being as related to the comics fora lot of people; they are just pretty good movies.
I don't think you're asking the right questions (or at least not giving the right answers), superhero movies aren't made to sell comic books, the comic staff doesn't work on the movies, the movies don't look like the comics (duh, but anime usually looks pretty similar to the manga). The superhero movie industry surpassed the comic industry in the west and probably just waits for it to die, they already have enough content to make thousands of superhero movies. Probably them losing sales for losing their vision was part of it, but I don't think it's directly consumers refusing to buy garbage, I believe it's more grand scale than that. Lack of advertisement, switching culture, early shitty superhero movies, etc. Young westerners who fit the comic book reading demographic I believe read actual books, garbage like Ready Player One, and endless amounts of books like it.
Yup. so true.
You know, the conspiracy part of me makes me say that the reason Hollywood or western media is chiming in to anime is because due to the failure of comics, cartoons and other media, they have to use anime now to bring some audience again.
Only problem is it flops like a fish.
Hell I think they purposely ruin the source material to discredit it... so they would hope casuals or non anime/manga readers would look into it.
I agree. Nobody likes to be preached down to. Stan Lee understood this. The current crop of creators don't get it or don't care because their cause comes first and everything else is a sacrificial goat to their political god.
Though there are other reasons. For one thing the shrinking size of the books. In the 70's you would get a book and it would have 30+ pages. Now you're getting maybe 20 pages of actual story? The books today are so thin you can actually use them as a bookmark in a hardback. And you don't even get a part of a chapter in the book. More like a few parts of a chapter. There is certainly not enough there to be worth $3 USD.
Then there is print quality. The change to gloss paper signaled the end was to come. Back in the day they were on newsprint which was much cheaper and told the story well enough. That is something they could also learn from Manga. A lot of manga is done on lower quality paper, and certainly back in the day it was on newsprint. (I have some old Full Metal Alchemist that was on newsprint. It tells the story just as well as gloss)
Another is size. US comics are in a very odd size format. Compare this to Manga which will fit into any retail space in the US. Western comics only fit into very specific shelving. Manga can fit into any digest sized rack.
Another thing western comics have completely misunderstood are generas. Japanese manga have generas for men, women, male teens, female teens, kids, businessmen, etc. etc. etc. For decades western comics have been trying to create one size fits all comics. It just doesn't work.
First they turned comics into a boutique item, and now its degenerated into little more than political propaganda.They've been cutting their own throats since the 90's.
Ancient magus' bride
Pretty clearly the anime is The Ancient Magus' Bride!
Imagine if the Assassin's Creed Movie had actually been good, do you think a bunch more people would have picked up a controller that had never done so since the Atari 2600? Or the SNES? I don't really think so. In the same way, I don't think that people who had never watched comics would suddenly start reading them en mass. Though it would be more than those that had not picked up a controller in a long time. Though, everything being "The Anti-Ferrous Femiphille" is not helping. It is only scaring away the few that do cross the boarder into comics with "the Unstoppable Immigrant."
The Marvel movies will eventually dry up without decent source material. We know how these guys can't write a decent script to save their own lives. Part of me would LOVE to see an extremely expensive SJW Marvel movie bomb spectacularly, but I don't think Disney could ever be that stupid.
Didn't they do "the force awakens"? That one was pretty bad.
I hated that movie, but it made a ton of money unfortunately
Ghostbusters 2016 was under Sony and yeah I read that overall they lost over 70 million.
RGE I think you are ignoring one thing about comics in comparison to manga, most manga are handled by one writer and one artist or one writer/artist, where as in comics writers and artists are changed all the time, there's no consistency in comics in this regard.
Also most manga have an ending, you can usually expect a manga to end before you die, how many years have DC and Marvel published Batman and respectively Spider-man comics? How many more will they? Just these two superheroes have such a massive backlog, that it's intimidating and tedious for any new readers to get into.
You mentioned how manga are adapted into anime and how when it's over people who liked it can check the manga, but that's because nowadays there isn't many differences between anime and the source and they can rest assured that what they watch is also going to be very similar to what they will read, it's not going to be a different story and characters, ad this was a problem with comics before the SJWs, sure you got some famous story lines adapted in cartoons/TV shows that you could check out the comics for, but a lot of the episodes were original to the show, with little relation to the comics.
That actually fits well with my point though. The movie fans are expecting one thing, get something completely different in the comics. The movies are being drawn from much better comics in the past that you can't buy anymore unless you want to pay $rape.
My bad then, I thought you meant only SJWs are responsible for the fact that comic book movie watchers don't buy comics.
oh raging golden eagle iron heart is spectacular, spectacularly bad (she's the hero and yet she would make a better more interesting villain well maybe not more interesting)
I think manga have more sales after an anime because anime use or adapt the story from the manga. So if you want to know more of what happens, or see a different side on how the author originally intended, you can get the manga and continue the story, sometimes exactly from where the anime left off in case of the faithful adaptations. Can't really do that with comic books imo, they seem much more self-contained. Not to mention that afaik you can be a manga creator on your own and then strike big, which is how a lot of well known titles came to exist. It's a bit more like the indie scene than the corporation-driven comic book scene, which is why it also has a lot more originality.
Manga is also way more deeply ingrained in japanese culture. Anime is a pretty new thing still. It only makes sense that what the people are familiar with will have more sales.
They've been doing manga as far as they've known how to paint.
That reminds me, I need to find the One Punch Man comics. I loved the cartoon.
1:14 already sounds familiar (plus everything that follows) lol
I wonder if/when Disney is going to crack down on SJW Marvel.
I would assume that if the comics die, then the movies will not have long term viability. But I may be thinking old school business here.
I wonder if the movies even NEED the comics anymore? If not, that would explain why Disney hasn't acted against the SJW infection of their comic properties yet.
Patrick Nolan Disney doesn't care what you do as long as they get their money.
But the comics haven't been selling that well. If anything, if this keeps up, Disney may simply try to find a different comic book company to work on the Marvel IPs they own.
I'm going to have to guess you're excited for Ouran Host club.
In my eyes, comics will never have the same level as manga. They are two completely different worlds if you allow me that example. But unlike manga, there are only 2 comic companies people care, even though there are some more with actually good comics. It is just a shame, that Marvel, the main ship of US comics, is sinking while DC is rising. But maybe... maybe we need a corpse in the street to make people aware of what happens when you drink the poisonous Cool Aid.
I, for once, will not cry after Marvel or their so-called "superheroes". Not anymore.
By the way, what game was that? I really like the combination of Dark Souls Stamina level and the look of Secret of Mana... and yes, this game will come soon... rebooted... with english voice over!!! Fuck my life. I only hope, it will have japanese voices. If not... sigh...
I internally squee every time I see an RGE video in my subbox.
amazing never thought about this...but its true i didnt read comic books in decades but when i see an interesting anime i usually also get the manga, that started for me when i first saw naruto (episode 50 something) and a few days later i had the manga and started reading. when i see say a spider man movie....thats it, im fine. and my explanation is that the manga has interesting characters, story, developments, the comic books these days dont have any of that and are usually fucking up their own lore and are virtue signalling all over the place
Since I don't live in Japan, I just never bother with the sources of animes I like. it's either not available in my language or has been going on for a long time and has way too many volumes. No point keeping up with manga that is a few years old already. The anime/manga system is very much optimized only for those actually residing in Japan.
is a point to be made but it works for japan, comics are made for the american / european market and fail. And i live in germany yet i get my mangas in english and usually most mangas are quickly avalaiable in english as well and anime get subtitled very quickly
Ever since the late 1970s, the independent comic book "Eflquest" has tried to get made into a movie. Various attempts along the way have always met with failure, including a proposed Saturday morning cartoon in the mid-80s and a "motion graphic" thing that was just scenes from the comic with voice-over on a TV screen. They keep promising that it'll be made one day, but this only ever ends in disappointment.
Which kind of sucks, since Elfquest was SJW from the outset--it's adamantly anti-male, inasmuch as it posits that all goodness comes from either women or association with women. The "tribes" which were beautiful and peace-loving are run by or in conjunction with women, while the ugly and violent tribes were nigh exclusively run by heterosexual men who didn't allow women voices.
Looking back on the late 70s/early 80s works, a lot of what they did then (such as a dark-skinned male character called "brownskin" by his Caucasian tribesmen) would be politically incorrect now. But that's the thing about SJWs: their original properties don't sell outside their niche markets of grievance-mongers, which is why they have to _take over_ preexisting successes.
Lol just finished watching his video update about them attacking him lol
"...Could learn a lot from Manga" Gunna stop you right there, I'm not paying $40 for 10 pages of what I actually want to read, and 30 pages of ads, followed by a cliffhanger ending. :P
Yeah, $12 for 200 pages is a much better deal. That's how I buy my manga :P
its funny how DC has tried this a while ago... I think they learned their lesson... now they sit back and watch marval go thru it not learning the lesson....
Because superhero comics are nothing but dumping grounds for What If!? ideas these days...if What If!? ideas were painfully stretched out and poorly thought out out ongoing series instead of lame, but quick and painless one shot ideas.
Honestly, DC is effing killing it. Dark Nights/Metal, White Knight, and Nightwing: The New Order are all awesome. Even Superwoman is decent.