Meet Fred Bieser, World War II Airplane Turret Restorer
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- Learn more about Fred's World War II turret restoration process here: www.tested.com/art/makers/4590...
Some hobbyists restore cars, some restore airplanes. But for the past 30 years, Fred Bieser has been obsessed with restoring the gun turrets that were mounted onto World War II bombers. We visit his workshop in Georgia to learn about how he converts crumpled balls of rusted metal into beautiful working mechanical turrets that you can actually operate. 
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Learn more about Fred's World War II turret restoration process here: www.tested.com/art/makers/459038-world-war-ii-airplane-turret-restoration/
crumpled ball of rusty metal
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***** wow that sounds like a crazy fetish
***** lel
drkastenbrot its funny that he doesn't have any other description for it
+timruski Probably because they are crumpled balls of rusty metal.
lololol
As a Marine Pvt. in 1957, I was sent to Aviation Fundamentals School in Jacksonville Fl. I was being prepared for a job in Aviation. I had a 15 minute Epiphany with an upper turret. I was allowed to get in, kick the pedals and move the joysticks in the turret. I fell in love immediately and since I had not selected what discipline I would train for told the instructor, "I want to be a Turret Gunner". I was informed neither the Navy nor the Marine Corps had any turret equipped planes. :-( I eventually opted for Radial Engines and worked on many models of them from R985 to R3350. I appreciate this post and the restoration effort!
Fake. Your too old to use RUclips.
quinnisquinn Your too young and too stupid to make a coherent sentence. You have a brilliant future flipping burgers. Punk!
+Jim Key SIR YES SIR
Thats cool. Is working in aviation a good job?
Dark Angel Gaming The truth is: I passed mexams for an AP license before discharge. I had a jib lined up in Wilmington , De at %3.50 and hour. (good money in 1960) There was a recession within 3 months and Aviation Jobs are some of the first to go.. Do the answer is better to work on cars!
its mind boggling how much it costs and how specialised it is to restore these things, however at one point they were mass produced!
yes, in enormous specialized factories
@@harrier331 my Pop worked in small machine shops in Southern California back in the early 40's they were every where subcontracting military parts for major contractors for the war efforts.Southern California was a hot spot for the AIRCRAFT industry. Most of the areo space industry is now gone here in California you can thank the politicians people voted for today
It is refreshing to hear a man who is passionate about military hardware but is creeped out by real guns.
I'm gonna hear "crumpled ball of rusty metal" in my dreams.
Eve Oleson but I’m gonna be a diamond some day...
Eve Oleson .
None of the turret gunners came home with their hearing fully intact. Can you imagine sitting with your head in between two Browning 50 cal full auto guns?
Just remember, all people in the bombers wore headsets to protect their ears from high altitude and to talk to one another
never thought about that! wow im glad im not a gunner.
I got to shot a .50 bolt action rifle. it hurts your eye balls. I could only imagine what it must be like to have your head in between 2 machine guns in a ball turret
They came home tho.
@@2ndforfreedom785 but they couldn't hear aswell as before
Wow, that is awesome! So good to see people like this preserving history! In 50 years when our kids wonder what the second world war was, they will be able to see stuff like this and understand a bit more
New drinking game: take a drink every time he says "Crumpled ball of rusty metal"
4 shots
Can we make a drinking game where we take a shot every time he says "Crumpled ball of rusty metal"?
only 4 shots then.
My father was a tool and die maker for Glenn L. Martin in Baltimore '40-43. He designed and built the "jigs" for the assembly of the tail gunner position door for the B-26.. Not a turret, but thought of him when Glen L. Martin Baltimore was mentioned.
Very cool. My grandfather was a tail gunner in the B26, flew with the 5th Army Air Corps out of New Guinea. He always had a newspaper clipping that he was the shortest man enlisted during WWII at 5 feet tall. He tried all the branches but they all wouldn't take him because of his height until the Army Air Corp said yes. The pilots would let the men take turns flying the aircraft on the way back to base, and when it was his turn the copilot had to control the rudder because he couldn't reach the rudder pedals.
What a lovely well spoken chap and obviously a master of his specialism. Nice to know that history is not being totally lost. Respect from the UK.
A gun turret restorer who is "creeped out" by guns. Interesting. Hope this guy can restore the 20 turrets that he wants because we ALL need to learn as much as we can about WW II history. Keep up the good work!
This is why I watch and read Tested. You never know what they will post, but it will always cover an amazing technological or cultural (or both in this case) subject. That was the best 13 min. that I have spent in a long time.
Assuming the name on the turret is M.J.Mcleod, there is a photo and an article in the January 22, 1989 San Bernardino County Sun newsaper (newspapers.com) of a Merton J Mcleod who was a tail gunner on a B-24 in Europe during WWII. And if this is the same Merton J Mcleod, it appears he died on January 18, 2001. www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=118748283
Larry Lee Thanks for checking this out!
Yeah, it definitely says M.J. Mcleod. Just saying, Larry, someone else found a different M.J. Mcleod who died in action in 1944 who might have flown in a B-24 for the 467 RAAF Squadron.
He probably died in that Turret
Larry Lee if he was from San berdoo I guarantee he knew my grandad
Mr Bieser thank you for all your hard work and devotion, and to Science & Technology thanks for bringing this to RUclips.
I love airplanes and WW2 bombers with all their gun turrets are among my favorites. This guy is a hero to me for doing this kind of work. Preserving history of any kind is a very important task, it just so happens that the history he is saving is very dear to me. Thank you Mr. Fred Bieser for doing something so unique and important to me :)
What a great hobby. Nice to see that someone is preserving a part of our history.
Excellent! Great questions too! Flushes out the mechanics of these incredible tools.
Imagine this as a home defense weapon, a home invader comes in, looks into the living room, and sees this 8:47
lmao
I am rather saddened by some of the comments. This man's commitment to restoring something unique is so admirable. I look on some people these days and think, 'could you do that?' I couldn't, so why do you belittle his work? Oh, of course; it's because you can't do it, can you? Them as can, do. Them as can't comment.
It's YootsToob, man. I agree with you, but it's TrollTown(tm).
I would love to help this man restoring these technical marvels. For free.
People who are creeped out by guns are generally rather creepy in their own right.
13:05 That awkward moment when you think your gonna shake hands^^
philip s dat face 2
philip s does he say "Thanks for, being" when they shook hands after?
philip s Thanks for... being!
philip s ahahahah
fixed by 13:19
Can't have working machine guns in my country, but sure as hell can have war birds. I respect the guy.
Great vid. Like the way the interviewer let's the expert talk without interruption.
From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
By Randall Jarrell
This is a poem that my 5th grade teacher read to my class on the day of infamy after he played Roosevelt's speech.
*Collapsed spheroid of oxidized compounds.*
That's oxidized metallic compounds to you, sir. LOL
Sounds like you work in advertisements
I have spent many years working on Chinooks. I have always been a fan of WWII ACFT and the men and women who made them fly. I applaud your efforts and hard work to make it all happen. I know this vid is a few years old. But in the event you didn't know there are many military collectors shows that move around the country that would be over joyed to have you display your work with them. As well as Oshkosh Air Show I would imagine. You truly have a unique skill and passion.
One Million THANK YOUS ..... For this fantastic video and History lesson... This is something that has fascinated me my entire life. GOD Bless the great Fred Bieser..... Fred is THE MAN ..Bless his heart...
That was awkward at the end when he went in for the handshake hahahahah
Great episode, but i think it Needs more crumpled Ball of rusted Metal.
Said it at least 6 times
Very unique restoration project choice. Back in 1981 my first house was on Westfield Street in Rochester NY. This street was the most westerly one in Rochester at the city limits. My back yard backed up to an industrial yard called surplus world. I used to climb the fence and look around on weekends. I saw at least 3 complete turrets in this yard, most likely GE manufactured in Rochester. I never knew this fact about GE until I watched this video. There were many other WWII aircraft parts in this yard. I found Pratt & Whitney engine parts new in boxes and also B-17 Props in the crates. I also found a trailer full of F-100 Super Saber Canopies. Fred if you read this some of those turret assemblies may still be around. I remember many of the components appeared to be stainless steel.
Would love to see a working Sperry ball. I saw about 3 or 4 in the background. Also recognised turrets from a B-36, TBF Avenger, and Lockheed Hudson
Would love to see a movie about a self-driving smart car with a turret roams the highways dispensing justice.
ytugtbk You're talking about the ED-209, in the passenger seat.
13:05 fail handshake
+TheGreatWhiteSHarker that was painful
then the awkward "thanks for being"
I had to rewind it... I was like, thanks for wut? lol
epic fail
-thanks for being- millenials,mann...
Good to know somebody is saving these unique items of history. They are really a memorial to all those gunners who "Did not make it home" at the end of a mission. "Tail-end-Charlies" (ie: rear turret gunners) had a life expectancy reminiscent of rookie pilots on the Western Front at the end of WW1: Weeks. May they rest in peace.
As someone who loves old war birds and history, I found this video, and it's content, to be quite valuable.
Thanks Norm, ones more you let the guy speak and give them room, not trying to rush the subject to your agenda
And good Video also, not a the 3pod still shot
So he's an Anti Gun, Gun Turret restorer. This man is a walking contradiction.
it's not about the simple shooting parts, but the complex systems behind them, i get this guy, great hobby
splat003 Don't get me wrong this is nice work. "simple shooting parts" have you ever taken apart a 30cal machine gun or an M1 Garand? i would say the concept is a simple one but the design is complex, with all its moving parts. A sling shot is simple a bow and arrow is simple a canon is simple. but the inner workings of a modern machine gun are not.
i know, just a figure of speech for the gun nuts;) only taken apart a canadian m4 carbine, well, only weapon we had, dutch airforce;)
Not a "gun nut" sir just someone who appreciates the inner workings of mechanical things. I like watches too so now im a "watch nut" lol
JC THEROD he restores turrets not guns
Damn, hats off to turret gunners, balls of steel, and did what was asked of them, amazing
Very COOL episode and just after Veterans Day! Thanks Tested and thanks to those brave men who served. I hope this guy reaches his goal and comes to Indy. Would love to operate one of them.
"They were only used on bombers."
The P-61 Blackwidow would like a word with you.
+PvtMartin78 Wirraway, Beaufighters, Hawker Heart and Demon only o list a few from memory.
+PvtMartin78 Yes, but I'm not sure if they even used the turret, and I believe that some P-61s were used as fighter-bombers
Well yes, however the P-61 was a special plane. It wasn't a pure fighter and it wasn't a bomber.
It was a fighter big enough to be fitted with 2 engines to habour equiment for an effective night raid.
Same goes for the Beaufighters, the Ju 88 and the Me 110. They all had a specific role in which they were not considered normal fighters nor bombers.
You weren't paying attention. He mentioned the Boulton-Paul Defiant, and the TBF Avenger.
I think remote turrets need to make a come back... new technologies coupled with computers would make them very effective.
That, was, epic! Thank you for sharing a bit of WWII history, coming from a veteran. Thank you!
Fascinating, what a fabulous hobby. And a Great way to keep the past alive.
Incidentally , nice to see the 381st B17G in the background.
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crumpled balls of rusty metal
Turrets. Kid tested, mother approved
Fred you are a class act sir. Keeping this history alive is so imperative. And its just damn neat too! But being creeped out over guns in this hobby? That is a mind blower. Send me all of those MA2s and .30 Cals you don't like anymore!
Great video.
Very important job done by this man Fred Bieser.
Thanks for sharing.
Best regards from Sweden
Who cares how the man feels about guns? every man has a right to respect no matter his thoughts or opinions. You are all totally missing the point about the good work this guy's doing for history because you disagree with him on a completely trivial matter..
That being said, it would be nice to see some genuine .50 cals on there!
Exactly. Restorations like these are an art
Great video. I dont think he is a weaker person for not wanting real guns. Put yourself on the receiving end of .50 shells coming at you and see if you aren't creeped out out either. You can love history and memorialize something designed to fight a desperate war and people who put their lives out there to do it.
Very well put.
well done. I liked the interviewers questions.... not all of us know what these machines are. Neat that some one keeps history alive.
A lost piece of WWII history thank you for this.
I once had a friend who was a ball turret gunner in WWII . He told me that they were a secret weapon and that the Germans didn't know that there was a gun down there. The German fighters would often try to sneak up from below and behind, only to get the last surprise of their lives when they came face to face with two fully loaded machine guns.
Emmit Stewart Sounds like a fairytale to be honest. Rear gunners were a common design feature for bombers since WW1. German WW1 bombers had a machine gunner in the rear, as did allied planes. Planes such as the He-111 even had a downward facing gunner, and that plane was developed in the early 30s. I don't think German fighter pilots would be oblivious to the fact that the allies had similar technology.
You sound like you know what you're talking about. This guy I wrote about could spin a good yarn when the cork was out of the bottle.
+Emmit Stewart He was probably tricked into running it.
+ErgoCogita I don't know about him being tricked. At the time he volunteered, nobody realized what a physically demanding job it was going to be. He was chosen because he was the shortest man in his company, so he was one of the few that could fit into a turret.. He told me that it was long hours cramped up in a tiny little space and bitterly cold. There was no way he could move around and get warm. Not to mention the constant danger from enemy fire. But the thing was, of all the things he later did in his life, including learning to pilot a plane, that was the thing he was proudest.
+Emmit Stewart also, if the plane had to belly in and the turret was damaged he couldn't get out and was dead. It happened a lot.
Creeped out by guns?... I'm creeped out by his sideburns!
kek
Troll
Quitsplays Why you call me ugly?
gotta wonder about a hobby of restoring turrets to hold guns that creep him out.
no kidding....
Full of tidbits of extraordinary information, some of it not reviewed elsewhere. An interesting post and thanks for it.
Very cool to bring that part of history back to life. Thank you.
It's too bad that he didn't have them made to actually fire bullets. It would've been cool to see a demonstration done.
+MIngeB❒X Is it legal? Can you own twin 50cals on the US?
+AGBB I'm assuming it's legal, provided you have the proper paperwork and background checks.
+AGBB you can own pretty much everything with the right paper work. You can own a working howitzer in some states
+Ken Andrews You can own the turret and the gun. But putting them together is illegal.
+Red Tigr There are at least 2 privately owned WWII fighter aircraft in the US with functioning .50 caliber machine guns. Videos are on uTube
Lost me at creeped out by real guns.
Hats off to this man's dedication!
I hope they all go to a good home in a museum or similar, thanks to your dedication.
i want one for my Toyota Hilux
XD
Might also want to give a tip of the hat to the people who designed, built and installed them. Without the impossible task and accomplishment of American industrial know how and the American worker, that war never would have been won.
Jay, the purpose of the turrets was guns to start with, so everyone needs to give it a rest. Relics from times past, an excellent interview. I restore motorcycles for people who won't ride one in traffic, and work on planes for people who are nervous flying. I was trained to use machine guns in the Navy, both the M-60 and the .50 M-2 as part of early anti terrorism training. Yes, they can cook off due to overheating, but there are ways to properly use them to avoid that, we are taught that. I'm sure he's asked or inspected by ATF to see what's cooking in his shop, so he could have been a little nervous, hence his statement.
Wow amazing job Fred ! Thanks for all your hard work. This is truly a labor of love, and I never realized how many intricate parts go into these. I would never have the patience to do anything like he is doing ! Excellent video.
he left him hanging on that hand dhake at first
I creeped out by the number of people who are legit upset that he said he's creeped out by guns.
If you're so obsessed by something that you think everybody else should like it, and you get mad at them when they don't... You have a problem.
I'm not upset, and I don't understand why anyone would be really, but it is a little odd/interesting that he got so into restoring gun turrets when he's 'creeped out' by guns. lol
HAHAHAHA! You alt-right white supremacists see conspiracy in the weirdest places.
It's so fucking weird. People can have all kinds of phobias but having a phobia of guns causes people to freak out? I totally understand someone wanting to defending something that is being attacked. But the act of someone just disliking something you like causes you to freak out and they don't have control over your life, you have serious insecurity problems. Talk about getting triggered.
lawnmowerdude people with a fear of spiders seldom feel the need to politicize it or take away other people's spiders. it's gaslighting to suggest that this was a casual comment
Dustin B being creeped out by an inanimate object is odd.
Such a cool, DIFFERENT hobby! Thanks for giving us these examples!
Cool cat with a cool hobby. Good find, guys!
only in america, a .50 cal turret is kid friendly
They do not have functioning guns on them.
You mean making history interactive and tangible. Something civilized and industrious societies are cable of. There is a saying "if you don't learn from history you are doomed to repeat it". What this group does is nothing less than impressive, take your ignorance else where.
I know the real reason for send very faraway in exotic places to Norm, is for get lost, die in a crash. Last time was sent to Europe at Large Hadron Collider, LHC facilities hoping the radiation kill him but was pointless (In fact the main chief physicists they tried to kill him by his lego star wars theory). Now they send him to a workshop full with machine guns expecting that those one got by "accident" activaded and finish him but nothing, That whatever to keep out him of Tested Workshop. next time try to send out to foundry factory or glasswork X(
Whats wrong with Norm? He's a good guy doing his job.
Some Wong I dunno but Will is back at base mysteriously laughing whilst wearing his monocle, stroking a white cat
This is so fucking mean. I really don't understand all the Norm hating on here.
Great interview on both sides. Good questions and answers. Thanks for posting.
Excellent work Norm, thank you
He spends his life fixing and studying WWII aircraft turrets made to hold machine guns and fire at enemy aircraft at high altitude and at ranges of .75 miles on in... And he says guns freak him out?
People can like the mechanics of things without necessarily wanting to use them. Like some people collect airsoft guns or deactivated guns because they enjoy the aesthetics or the mechanics of them, but still don't want an actual live gun around the house. And there's more to the whole turret assembly than just the guns. I don't think he's actually freaked out by the concept of a gun, he just doesn't want one that is actually capable of firing around him.
i think the guns are the leat intresting parts of it, face it, guns are simpel
actually, i think you'll find that people use airsoft guns because, real guns arent allowed in their country, or people want the guns so they can go and take part in airsoft battles, something that you cannot do with real guns.
Zes, in the entire history of guns there has never been one that killed anyone.
Who cares if he's creeped out by guns? He's doing something nobody else is doing and doing it really well and preserving history. I like guns and understand them but could never do what he's capable of doing.
So cool! I want this exhibit to come to my town
Guy restores gun turrets but guns freak him out...
wow awesome!
im sorry but when he said they where made with all fake guns and that he is creeped out by guns i just ended the video. As in really? You restore turrets and you are afraid of what they do.. wtf?
They can blow your damn well head clean off. You SHOULD be uncomfortable around firearms. That is sanity. and he is interested in the mechanics and engineering of turrets is all.
I feel safe around guns mainly because it is a family member or myself that owns or takes care of the weapon, so your saying that even if say your brother, father owns a gun you would be always terrified of it and never want to touch, shoot, clean, take car of the gun? I am truly sorry you cant fully enjoy the fun target shooting side of guns. But also i am a American so i guess us 'Muricans are all gun crazy right?
And if all he is interested in is the mechanics and engineering of the turrets why doesn't he work on robotics that are precise they do all the same things but they do not involve guns! may be then he would be happy.
***** I like to read about ww2 and play games involving it. I'm sure he is fine watching action films. I wouldn't want to go to war though. It is the same kind of thing.
Perhaps you have been in a senario where someone is handling a firearm unsafely? Surely that comfort with guns instantly flips to fear/discomfort. Suddenly you have to pay really close attention the the gun and operator and it is very stressful. This guy just feels that all the time when guns are nearby.
So he likes the idea of guns, but is uncomfortable personally interacting with them. Similar to the way I, or many other foreign visitors to the US may be very wary/uncomfortable with US police, because not only are we unfamiliar with US law, they carry around deadly weapons, and are much more aggressive in strategies.
Carbon 12 I can get that you just sounded pissed at me the first time you replied like i have to be scared of guns for my safety which in the wrong hands/ wrong conditions i am when everything is fine what is not to like about guns? (sorry probably not the best question to ask haha)
A Southerner "creeped out" by firearms? That must be a fake accent.
Flyn Bryan Restores and fixes gun turrets. Hates guns. Seems legit.
Roger Airgood Well if you listen, he says he replaces them with fake guns. So he enjoys restoring hydraulics and electronics in the turrets but not the real guns.
Richard Merrick The guns are most likely real but made inoperable. Very common on WW2 aircraft currently flying. He responded as if he needed to have a politically correct answer. Let's be honest here. The turrets were designed to shoot down axis airplanes using Browning M2 heavy caliber machine guns. It is what it is.
Flyn Bryan maybe he's an axis airplane and the guns trigger him.
Richard Merrick LOL.. maybe so.
Fred you are a hero. Thank you for the work you are doing. Makes us all realise the bravery of those young men who operated these things.
Respect and beast wishes to all our American friends for your assistance and sacrifice in our darkest hours.
Superb! Nice that someone has taken the time to find people with such diverse and interesting hobbies as this and to showcase their work.Keep up the good work!
fake guns..like restoring Ferrari's with fake engines :P
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***** they probably are real though just not functional for legal purposes.
no he said they're fake because hes creeped out by them
define fake
not genuine; imitation or counterfeit.
#ballsofrustymetal
about time to revisit this episode's people i guess. seeing what progress has been made and what new projects have been started in the meantime. would be nice.
NZ, Auckland, remarkable! Our warbird enthusiasts would love to see one of these working models.
He is cheeped out by gun and restores turrets?
Yes, so ? He is restoring the turret not the intendet function, for that he does not need an operating weapon system on board.
Another fun fact, most tanks in a Museum are also fitted with a "fake" (not operating but real looking) breech and barrel
I get that it just seems weird for someone to restore turrets but be creeped out by guns.
5:58 " I'm creeped out by real guns"??? WTF??
I spit up my coffee when I heard him say that! Dude restores gun turrets...but is creeped out by real guns. That's a new one on me for sure.
Corus Daar The simple fact that he restores Gun Turrets that were built with a singular purpose,,,to shoot down other planes...which invariably have guns attached to them by design. So yeah...it strikes people ass odd that a man "creeped out by guns would put so much energy into a machine designed to kill.
ArmyStinger150 Shooting down other planes was often a decent enough way to end a conflict while at the same time not focusing on simply killing or capturing the person piloting it. It's a personal opinion of mine, but air combat in WWI and WWII displayed as much chivalry as there could've been during such times. But more importantly, turrets and the like are still technologies that can easily be fascinating because it was still a creative invention that clearly earned merit for its usefulness-- enough for this guy to be fascinated by them anyway.
I'm fascinated by the "analog computer" that assists the turret gunner. The gunner enters his bomber's altitude and airspeed, and the bullet velocity is a given. But without the distance, direction and velocity of the enemy plane, you don't have enough data to calculate the required offset to hit that plane.
Thank you for sharing. I’ve no doubt at all that Fred would enlist and climb into one of these turrets back in the day if he had learned that a friend or loved one had given the last full measure of devotion.
Who cares whether the guy is 'creeped out' by guns? Someone else can do those up. Getting these back to working condition is an art form. Does anyone know what flew on the Lockheed Ventura bomber dorsal turret?
Bit sad about the guns.. Kinda like restoring a tank and the mount a fake cannon..
Zyx probley cant afored 10+ fully working 50cals
He already said that gun creeps him out. But my guess is that he might not be able to purchase real m2 to be mounted on the turret. Plus, probably he doesn't want the turret to be fired either. I mean, like you restore 1890s car to full condition and you wont want to ride the original ones of fear of broke it down :)
But I agree tho, it would be wonderful to see real guns mounted there.
Well he is restoring the turret not its intendete function, therefore an operating weapon system is not needed.
Great stuff, thanks for taking the time to put this together, on what looks like a very hot day.
Love all the interview videos! Interesting people doing cool stuff
attn Dale Jackson
I want one of those it would go good with my King James. Wow awesome, I really like history.
Lay off the guy about the guns. Even if he loved guns, I doubt he'd put them on there. Can you imagine how much of a pain in the ass it would be to do ATF paperwork on two machine guns per turret? Plus, I would imagine the cost of a single transferable M2 would outweigh the restoration costs of all seven restored turrets he currently has.
Also, you don't want to bring a real M2 on a traveling exhibit no matter if it was loaded or working. You don't need kids crawling around real heavy weaponry
I enjoy everything about 'real guns'. Their history, their varied operating systems and mechanisms, and their usefulness.
Thanks! My Dad flew 58 missions in the nose turret of a B-24 Liberator (15th AAF, 464th Bomb Group). I also flew in the Collings Foundation's B-24, and small as I am, I couldn't begin to squeeze into his station. So I don't know how my father got in or imagined he could ever get out in an emergency. Plus, his crewmates teased him because he always wore flak protection and even put it under his butt and both feet!
damn he's sweating like an Asian at a Ralph Lauren clothing sweatshop
its very humid and hot in Georgia
allen gassaway Yeah i know ive lived in Columbus, Georgia my whole life, about an hour south of Atlanta. It gets hotter than 2 rats fucking in a wool sock down here.
yea but you can put on as many layers as you want in the cold, but you cant run around naked when its hot
Ya lost me at "creeped out by guns".
Scared of real guns but he restores them as his main hobby. Cool and wierd.