Do You Need A Separate /home Partition for Linux?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- "You gotta keep 'em separated!" Or do you?
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To be honest, I believe it's more valuable to create a separate /var partition. The reason for this is that /var/log (and other subdirs, but log in particular) can really get BIG if you have a misbehaving daemon , or you have a web server that suddenly gets a bunch of traffic or if your mail daemon suddenly gets a lot of traffic or...a zillion reasons. If this happens and a rogue process eats up all the available disk, it can make logging in to fix it a tad challenging. By partitioning /var the worst that can happen is that logging, etc, stops but you can typically still get in and fix whatever's gone haywire relatively easily. (This may matter more in the case of server deployment than desktop deployment - but I've always done it (and I've built a LOT of unix/linux systems over the years) and it's saved me a bunch of headaches on more'n one occasion.
very true, I do this also on any server type install, snd my own main desktop machine just for consistency 😎
What's been difficult it's been estimating the correct size of /var for desktop use. You can use a lot of space with docker and a database/netdata logging fine-grained status data. The docker part is always increasing for projects that aggregate and compare lots of implementations and languages, drag races, or it can just be forgotten and get over development years to incredible sizes.
@@LuisDiaz-qg3eg and you cannot mount a lv in var that contains your docker stuff?
Also guesstimating is not an issue if you use LVM. Just start with some initial sane numbers and change it on the fly when you need space.
there is another reason why /var (or better said /var/log) is better separate. If you use a filesystem that does not have reserved space for root, you may end up in a situation that logging is not possible and that can cause for instance dhcp server stuff to cease work. Or better: sshd not taking a login anymore. Security...
@bradsw57 That's interesting. How big of a /var partition do you usually make? Right now I am using a 16GB Swap, a 40GB /, 500MB each in BIOS Boot and EFI System partitions, and all the rest of the 1TB drive partitioned as EXT4 for a /Home partition. This is pretty typical of my Ubuntu installs and I can't remember ever seeing less than 10GB free on the / partition.
having separate partition saved me multiple times.
And having it on a laptop with SSD for a system and HDD for user data is a natural thing.
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Well said!
Thank you! :)
The critical point is OEM guys reserve 1MB for Microsoft. One cannot read the script in there. What it assumes is Microsoft First and Linux Second.
There is no first priority for Linux.
I figured this out and I leave 16 to 32 MB as a default.
If one does this it does not matter how one does the partitioning.
By the way , I make twice the size of RAM for SWAP.
I am not a developer now and a long term user of Debian.
Even though Ubuntu booted Debian did not. Debian did not care to leave a space for Microsoft. Ubuntu developers figured this problem and created FAT based ESP partition where Boot Loader is written. It writes a copy of the boot loader in the 16 to 32MB portion, too.
Debian of course added ESP partition in due course.
Now I leave 528MB for the ESP.
By the way, Debian has the best partition tool.
New Calamara boot loader of Debian addresses all these issues.
During partitioning
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Once you switch to btrfs, partitions are meaningless. But I used to do the separate home partition, simply because it's easier to hop. Great video as always, Joe!
The FS doesn’t matter!
A dedicated partition for data/settings is STILL handy when you want to backup at the BLOCK level!
@@pepeshopping BTRFS introduces the concept of subvolumes, several of which can be on a single partition. Each subvolume is not arbitrarily limited in size, only the total size of all subvolumes on a partition is limited (due to the physical size of the partition).
This brings the advantage of not having to decide where to split your drive into root and home, an issue wich already bit me once in the past. I ran out of space on /home, while still having plenty of space on the root partition. You can backup btrfs subvolumes similar to how you can back up a block level device.
Why not use ZFS?
@@Fractal_32 You can find detailed comparisons online. Personally I like the flexibility offered by btrfs. I have three HDDs for data: 1TB, 1TB, 2TB. With btrfs I get 2TB of Raid1 storage. My understanding is that ZFS would only offer 1.5TB. I can add and remove disks whenever I need, which I did twice already, and change the RAID level appropriately, all while my PC is running.
(PS: Desktop use. Your conclusion may be different if you need it for a NAS)
@@Fractal_32 ZFS is not available out of the box. For most cases, btrfs and zfs are interchangable, especially for desktop use, so not having to do anything to get access to your filesystem is nice.
The whole point of putting your swap at the end of the drive was because of the different rotational speed of sectors on traditional hard drives on a platter. With an SSD, the random access speed is the same in any location, so swap can be anywhere on the drive, including in a swap file which might get fragmented, which was another reason to use a swap partition, so that all the swap space was guaranteed to remain one contiguous space.
Does SSD needs swap partition on modern PC! Nah, in various cases it does not needed swap partition, especially it depends on various file systems and CPU specs.
@@CyberCommercialBroadcasting I would still have a small swap partition, even on modern systems with SSDs. The old rule used to be a swap partition twice the size of tour RAM, but once we got to 4GB of RAM, having that much swap was wasteful. I would allocate 1-2GB of swap on any system.
@@nosbig98 Precisely good for you but with 16-32 gigs of RAM I don't thing swap partition is really needed on SSD. Indeed with 4 gigs of RAM included similar swap partition was truly wasteful, RHEL or other distros are follow the rule in different ways.
You have no idea how much your videos help me! You explain very clearly and it's easy to follow😊 Thank you for taking the time and creating this video, it did answer my questions, as well as gave me some new information, which was vital for me when it comes to my Linux journey.
Thank you!
First I'ld like to say welcome back and secondly thank you. When I started using Linux I ran your vids (over and over) till the fog lifted. Great video!
Over the decades, I've evolved from putting /home on a separate partition to putting it on a separate drive, if possible. The greatest advantage of that being, I can completely blow away the entire OS installation, without even involving the /home drive if desired. Complete the reinstall like a normal first time install, then just change it so the (untouched) /home drive is mounted to the newly created /home folder the installation created. Or, since newer installers offer the option, select that /home drive during the install and just tell it not to format it.
I've taken the same approach with my server, except not for the /home folders. In that case, I have a /pub that holds the files storage on that server. I've put that /pub folder and the /srv folder on a separate drive. Again, I can completely wipe and reinstall the OS without touching the stored data.
Also, with the move to SSDs for boot drives on some of my machines, I've started putting /var & /tmp on separate partitions on a hard drive, as well as keeping the /home on its separate drive, to minimize the writes to the SSD, as well as isolate them from the system partition.
You can format one partition while leaving others alone. In fact you have to format them one at a time. Each partition is its own file system. From the OS's perspective each partition is its own drive. You just have to remember to not format your /home partition. Then it might be easier to differentiate an entirely different physical drive from a different partition on the the same drive.
Thanks Joe. This is exactly what I've been looking for. I've struggled with partitioning, and this goes a long way in addressing my concerns!
Hey Joe, today I had to reinstall debian and I was concerned about my personal files. However, I managed to copy them successfully. Then I stumbled upon a video that taught me how to manage partitions on linux, which was something I had been looking for a long time. I am grateful for this amazing video and the knowledge that I gained. I hope this newfound knowledge will be useful throughout my lifetime. Thank you)
after the first time I upgraded a linux system with everything in one drive, I've kept /home separate. It's not important for day-to-day operation, but every few years you'll be glad you did.
i was going coco loco watching your install using ext2
VirtualBox does have an EFI mode available. There is no Secure Boot, but you can go through the same partitioning that you would on a modern bare-metal installation.
I usually go with five partitions: EFI, boot, swap, root, and home.
Technically the boot partition is optional, even when doing disk encryption, but it makes things easier to follow when using BTRFS subvolumes. The reason why is that, without it on an unencrypted system, GRUB will target the boot directory on the main subvolume, so if you boot into a different subvolume, the boot directory you see will never be used. Chances are you booted into a different subvolume to fix something, and that boot directory being fake can really trip you up. Ask me how I know. Also, the dedicated boot partition allows the kernel to load and provide keyboard drivers before you enter a password for unlocking an encrypted system. If you have a device whose keyboard does not work in its BIOS or in GRUB, you will need the kernel to be loaded before you attempt to unlock the disk (my laptop’s built-in keyboard is like this; as near as I can tell, some UEFI variable controlling the keyboard got flipped, and I don’t have access to it without modding my BIOS). Distros that use the Calamares Installer often won’t support a dedicated boot partition on an encrypted system, which makes those distros unusable for me (a laptop should have disk encryption in case of theft).
As for the home partition, in theory it makes updating systems based on Debian Stable to the next major release faster and more reliable. It also makes distro hopping easier. If the installer misbehaves or doesn’t support keeping an existing home partition, you can install just into the root partition, blow away the home directory that came with the distro, and then set you home partition to automatically mount in its place by editing the filesystem table file. While BTRFS subvolumes provide logical separation for day-to-day use, they don’t allow you to do all of that.
Finally, for the swap partition, Linux does not provide dynamic swap, so there is no advantage to installing with a swap file; the disk space will always be committed one way or another. Just set up the swap partition right before the root partition if you’re on a SSD or if you were thinking of using a swap file. If you’re on a HDD, in theory you would want swap to be on the outside edge of the platter. However, you would have to check to see whether that makes a difference on your drive and whether the start or end of the storage space is on the outside edge. However, even then, having your home partition last can be very convenient if you ever have a need to resize it and make a new partition for something else.
Is there a need to have a separate EFI partition?
Because EFI is a directory in boot anyway?
@@Almohebful It needs to be FAT32, so maybe not if your boot partition is FAT32. However, UEFI might expect a certain directory structure in that partition, so it could still get lost in the boot partition.
Great perspective and advice
I always have, as it makes backing the system up way easier in my opinion
It's also nice having all your home stuff in its own place.
Something I ahted with windows was it placing a bunch of stuff in my documents folder and sometimes refusing to
install on any other drive than my small C drive
@@Skelterbane69 YES entirely! I actually had a backup script written in bash to sorta "automate"/simplify things for when I plugged my external on
Assuming you have a lot of data and configs saved in your /home directory, you will want to preserve it when reinstalling. If you have a separate home partition, all you have to do is mount it and edit your fstab file, and you're instantly configured after a reboot. However, if you don't have a separate home partition but do have a full backup, then you need to mount the backup, and then copy the /home files over. Reboot and you're back in business. So the real difference is that if you don't have a separate home partition, you'll have to sit through an rsync copy of files from the backup to your home directory. Takes longer. I've always opted for having a separate home partition, but your video makes me want to reconsider this. I typically do two backups (cron jobs) a day to separate drives. So i could avoid the separate home and just copy stuff from one of the backups. I'll have to ponder that. It sure would make partitioning easier, because I've had to manually partition things forever, and it's a pain.
I've done too many reinstallations, and what I do is rename the /home/ folder to -1, and then, remove every other folder in root except the actual home folder. This works every time for some reason, and after that, I could just chown the -1 folder with permission similar to the distro's permissions, remove the distro's automatically created user account, and then rename the folder from -1 to
I just have a separate partition mounted at mnt and I symlink the folders to tue home folder. Thus I get a squeeky clean reinstall and preserve the few programs that matter like thunderbird, a ref manager zotero, documents downloads etc. It takes 10 minutes to setup my desktop the way it was.
I use root on zfs with snapshots. I rollback entire OS partition in case of trouble. I guess I should create a different dataset for home.
Another very useful video and very informative.Thanks a lot Joe much appreciated.
My home directories are situated on my NAS, for all my machines, and mounted on startup.
Yep! Old school Joe... '/boot' '/' '/swap' '/home' that is the way I roll. been working good for 7 years, not changing now... Too old for that... 🤣
Thanks Joe for the videos once again! Been telling you that for years... 😝
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Just fell over this video (now subscribed (. Excellent content and humour to boot. Rare in a Linux Guru 😎
The bootloader goes on the device, not the partition. Let the installer put it where it prefers to. That's why there's blank space before your installation partitions no matter how precisely you enter bytes in their sizes, it requires a space on the device to put that info. Best not to touch it.
Excellent video, Thanks, I've often wondered how to reinstall and keep files. AWESOME job, Thanks again
Good review. Enjoyed learning about the '&' argument.
A lot of us linux users still use regular disks. And because of the many types of systems I have, I use removable IDE drives to boot from, and then keep the big/serious/permanent stuff on multi-disk arrays hosting logical volumes.
I have a separate /home, and a separate everything else - everything I'm allowed to have separate (some new releases no longer allow a separate /usr). Most of them (except /boot) are logical volumes instead of paratitions. Couldn't be happier. Many of these volumes are usable on other linux distros & releases. So my separate volumes are -
/usr/local
/tmp [yes, even /tmp!]
/opt
/srv
/var
/boot
BIOS is for old small systems. It does not work if a drive is larger than 2TB. Even then the extra 1MB of space is required to boot with BIOS. The GUID Partition Table expands the drive size from 2TB to 18 exabytes and does not require the 1 MB of extra code to boot. In addition, the UEFI System Partition can contain applications like Ventoy.
Another reason never mentioned (anywhere) for a separate /home is "IF" you like to take Images (clonezilla) of you root directory (for backup purposes) they are much smaller / faster easier to store, than imaging the whole drive. I've always (10 years +) had a separate /home, but never had to do a reinstall of the same OS version. Linux is so stable. My uptime today is 101 days.
I totally agree with your opinion of UEFI, and GPT partitioned drives, I have no need for >2TB drives, and don not need 128 partitions, so MBR partitioned drives are fine for me. That said I do have one machine that has a GPT partitioned drive, and some day down the road we'll all have to embrace it, like it or not.
Hello Joe, as always yet again a very nice video. I haven't been using ext4 for a couple of years now. My system runs Debian Bullseye (sort of 😀), tweaked with some debian-sid packages and backports packages (I think I can get it up to Debian 12 if I wanted to). My HDD setup is UEFI - BTRFS with subvolumes / /home /.snapshots. For swap I use ZRAM. I've installed timeshift-autosnap-apt running it with Timeshift. Now the beauty of this... when I install or remove something on my system autosnap and timeshift will create a pre- and post-installation snapshot in my /.snapshots folder. So I can rollback at any moment I wish. Thank you for your great work for the Linux community, good job! Best wishes from Belgium
Thank you - you rock! Happy to see more videos from you. Thanks again
Haven't seen one of your videos for AAAAAGes, Joe. Welcome back, great to see your videos again.
Actually, on vm's i don't bother because of the reason for vm...which is to test the distro. However on my bare metal computers i have learnt along time ago, to keep home partition separate for the simple reason, that it holds all your configuration and data files, and you can use it with any distro, you just have to point to the drive and mount it on home. For a fail safe idea, i personally suggest to everybody to do that. If system drive crashes, your data is not affected!
You can grab 16GB optane nvme for around $6, pcie x1 to nvme adapters $2 each. Run linux off optane in a spare pcie slot, Put home on same fast drive, use separate drive for music, docs, downloads, timeshift etc, and also for /boot if your system won't boot off pcie nvme. Grab two of those optane, put your / on raid 0, home on raid 1, swap files on both, so swap is twice the speed.
This is great, always wondered about the seperate Home partition
Yes you do, if you are security conscious. Having no suid and other things directly from the fs, quotas, ability to have it grow and more
Joe! Another great video - very informative, thanks!
All you are doing when you divide up a disk in partitions is reserve memory in a way that it is no longer automatically usable. With a single partition, the OS manages the space on the drive, and it can do it more efficiently that you can. The traditional reason for partitioning are:
1. Different operating systems. QED. Different OSes can't manage each others partitions OSTENSIBLY[1].
2. Using a swap partition, sized to all of RAM, so that the system has a fixed backing area for all ram pages.
3. Because you might want to wipe and reinstall the OS without also wiping your user area.
#1 is not actually true, but is effectively true. Linux can manage Windows disks and I assume someone has worked out the converse by now. Windows used to be able to install two different operating system versions on the same disk. The main reason you don't want to do this is ITS A MESS. You are putting a lot of faith in programmers, and it ain't justified.
#2 is not necessary any more. It used to be a requirement to do what is called a "slam down". This works by putting large capacitors in the power supply, giving the system an interrupt when the power is going bad, then having the OS quickly write all ram to disk and restarting when the power comes back on. Neat. Nobody has done this since the 1960's. The other OSTENSIBLE[1] reason to do this is because the swap area can be placed in order so that page swapping does not have to travel all over the disk. This is no longer real necessary as the OS can arrange to present the swap area as linear, and the whole thing is irrelevant for SSDs in any case because they have no seek time.
#3 is probably the most rational excuse, but it is still a massive waste of space, since you have to excess the OS partition dramatically to be sure the next bloatware special will fit in that partition.
Me? I use the ability to put the old OS drive in and copy user data from one to the t'other when upgrading.
[1] A neat word meaning "kinda, but not really".
#3 is the reason i use btrfs nearly everywhere nowadays. subvols make data management real easy.
while it is true that there is no reason to run your system partition without journaling I do believe when you are setting up the EFI boot partition it is recommended to make that an ext2 file system because it doesn't need journaling for some reason...
I always leave the home partition on the OS partition, but I have my Desktop/Documents/Downloads/etc on a separate partition or drive. I like to use Ventoy/Redo to create backups of my system (including all the settings stored in the home directory), but I don't want my actual data included in that. I also use those backups to install a completely configured setup to a new machine, reducing the time it takes for me to set up and "properly" configure a computer from 6 hours to about 5 minutes.
love your videos, Joe. I am fairly new to Linux. I do use Linux as my daily driver on one of my desktop computers. Right now I am running Debian 12 but overall I prefer Arch and Arch-based distros. I usually setup a swap partition (no hibernate) and then use the rest of the space for everything else. Seems to work fine for me.
Now, on my Windows computer what I do is on the boot drive, say 250GB, I install only the OS and all apps, nothing else. All data goes elsewhere. I never saw the benefit in having a 1TB boot drive and mixing Windows, apps, and data together. On Linux I use Timeshift for backup. I have had to use it a couple of times to restore and it worked beautifully. So for me, no, I do not need a separate home partition for Linux. Thanks for the video. I always learn something from you 🙂
As I understand it, if you wish to use hibernate you need a swap partition, otherwise using the swapfile instead is sufficient.
The reason for a separate /home partition is the same that Windows servers have a partition. It allows for upgrade to the OS with no risk of losing user data. Otherwise, if you reload Windows you'd have to restore the data, which is time consuming and there is risk - and depending on why you're reloading could lose data. The /home is the same thing. You can totally reload Linux and not lose any user data. Alternatively you can have a different file system for /home than for the rest.
Depending on what your system is setup and goals are this may be desirable. If you only have one drive there probably isn't much need for a different file system, it really boils down to whether you want to expose loss of user data in the event you wish to distro hop or reload Linux for whatever reason.
Nice vid, Joe. I was wondering about that, why you went EXT2, but I figured you knew what you were doing. Anyway I am one of the "gotta have a /Home partition" guys. It makes it really easy to do backups as well as reinstall the OS. I don't bother with a whole disk backup, just the /Home partition, using rsync which works great gravy for me. I do an entire fresh backup every week, keeping the previous two, and do incrememtal backup with rsync daily or after every session where I have created or edited important files. My /Home partition is about 960GB so the full backup and the daily incrememtals fit nicely on a 1TB external HD even if /Home is chock full to the brim with movies and stuff. This two pronged approach has saved my bacon more than once.
BTW as an overabundance of caution, I never have my backup drive plugged in while I am connected to the network. I know that's a ridiculous precaution with Linux but It's like always carrying a gun... it's better to feel stupid for doing it all the time, than to one day feeling REALLY stupid for not doing it when you actually did need to. I think the coming decade is going to prove a lot of guys wrong who have spent the last decade preaching about how Linux systems are never compromised.
Anyway no I don't break off a partition for every little thing, but for the boot stuff, and swap, and Home, to me there is just no getting around it.
I'm an old fart, retired and mostly use my computer to play around with, playing with different programming languages, etc. At the moment, I do not have a separate /home partition, but that is because I am using Linux Mint for the first time, let's see, going on a month now, and I wanted to do this a little differently than I have been. I am trying this out coming from Slackware, my all time favorite Linux distro. So far it's nice, and I have used timeshift more than once already. However, I still like the idea of a separate /home partition a great deal, because, while I always seem to return to Slackware, I love to check out different distros from time to time. With a separate /home partition, you can try out different distros to your hearts content, and still keep your own personal files safe and sound. While a separate /home partition does not...***NOT*** ...obviate the necessity of making and keeping good backups, it does eliminate the need to keep recreating and rebuilding your /home/$USER directory every time you try out a new distro. My favorite partitioning scheme in fact relies on my /home directory being on a completely separate disk. Also, I no longer use a swap partition, but a swap file, and being an old fart, still live by the thumb rule that your swap space should at least double your RAM. I currently have 8 GB of RAM. When I first started using a home computer at all, RAM cost about a hundred dollars a meg, rather than the current 10 dollars a gig. And disk space has improved so much that what I allocate for swap space doesn't even put a dent in the space I have available for my own stuff.
I am really onto the depend on. When it gets to kvm yes always it got partitions and multiple ones inside of it with different speeds of drives. I love having the fast/medium/slow mounts. Obviously those all have their specific virtual machine images. Not sure you call that first space the home then root partition but good video keep it up. For X-forwarding, please don’t get newbs going down that road over the net. They gonna regret it. And for people not sure why, it is ok on your private secure network. But never do that on a DMZ machine. You will regret it because your machine will become a bot
Joe,
Thanks for the video. It provided me with the information I was looking for.
John R.
It is faster to type Ctrl-Z and then type bg. You can also look at the jobs with command jobs.If you want to run the program in forground, you type command fg.
Thanks Joe. I am about to put LM on a 10 year-old laptop that can now barely run Windows at walking pace, and this has given me some ideas...
Yes. I made the mistake of not doing that. Now I can't distro hop without making massive changes
With my 7 years of experience. Yes you do. Even last month my machine broke. But thanks to separate home my files were safe.
During a fresh installation I manually create all of my partitions. Once I've created the ext 4 and the efi for the NVMe or SSD's I usually don't create a separate partition for /home. In the past, however: creating separate partitions for /boot, /root, /home and swap has went well on my Linux boxes.
Yeah I'm a control freak so I have to manually partition when I install.
Hi Joe, was screaming at the screen watching you choosing EXT2 but was relieved to see it all working out without issues! Did you not hear me? Love to know how to setup a script to reinstall all my chosen programs again on any new install (or your version) it's the worst trying to remember what I need finding I haven't got it when I need it! Thank you so much. Still using BU works great. ATB
Old school is the best school. I've always had it separate. But you do need to put some thought about the sizing of partitions.
As always, it depends. If you want to be CIS compliant (which I have to as I build enterprise servers), the recommendation is a separate filesystem for home (CCE-83468-9 if you want to look it up in a OSCAP report). Plus, in my experience, users do some weird stuff. I'd rather they screwed up /home that anything else.
BTRFS lets you create mountpoints in subvolumes, so you can have a separate /home subvolume on a single btrfs partition, so you don't run into the same issue where you accidentally make the /or /boot partition too small and start throwing system errors. (I did that once following an old ubuntu tutorial that gave me the wrong size to make the / and /boot partitions.) The subvolumes don't have a set size, so they will take up however much space they need in their subvolume.
Also, only virtualbox has issues with EFI, QEMU i've only ever made VMs running in UEFI with zero issues.
I never create a separate home partition. I always prefer to install a separate disk and use it to save files. This way I don't have to think twice before I nuke the entire system and reinstall
Me as well for the rare event of a HD fail. At this point you need a new drive anyway/Backup and reinstall to the new drive.
If you make a separate /home partition then you can nuke root and keep /home. I have a whole other disk just for data storage too. That's besides the point. /home/user is for user stuff. The storage drive is like a storage locker. I don't live in a storage locker.
I have a separate home and opt partition. It is nice, as so much goes in home and I use opt for a ton of things so I can just mount my data drives to those partitions.
I really don't set up home as a separate partitioning for the reason of reusing without formatting. I do it because then I can have the performance of EXT4 or XFS while maintaining BTRFS snapshots where it should matter for rollbacks (root binaries). I also match the FS of /var and /home so that I can compare performance of docker (/var by default) and podman (/home by default).
I feel your pain. Hey we're experts, we know what we're doing. BU is for kids. We always recover our data in the end (hard way!). I first installed MCTed Win 11 on a 13yo laptop. I gave the whole hd to it (MBR). It created an EFI system partition at the start, the main Windows partition and a reserved one at the end, so in total 3 partitions it created. Upon reboot it was doing the EFI thing, hid the F2/F12 phrase from the BIOS boot screen. I chose the diagnostic boot option and rebooted it so that F2/F12 reappeared on the boot screen. Then I resized the Win 11 main partition (didn't touch the other two). Installed Win 7, a plethora of Linux distros including an immutable Btrfs Vanilla OS where I had to manually create 5 blank partitions for it. For each install I just ignored the EFI warning and installed the GRUB to the sda. GRUB shows Win 7 entry, upon entering it Win 7 boot manager shows Win 11 entry. So far so good.
I have not used a separate /Home in years. Timeshift takes care of securing the O/S against disaster . (only needed it once so far). And BackinTime to back up the rest.
I prefer creating a absolutely fresh install for new O/S versions.
I don't use a swap partition, either.
Separate /home is not for disaster recovery. It is for separating your files from the OS. I may want to upgrade someday. If /home is on the same partition as root is and I format then everything on /home is gone. If the partitions are separate I can just format root and not format /home and just mount /home at /home and I keep all of my files.
Since you don't use a swap partition, how much RAM does your system have?
Since you don't use swap partition, how much RAM do you have?
If it's a laptop, I won't bother making a seperate /home partition. It simply wouldn't be enough space to justify this unless it's high-end. An external drive would do a way better job for stuff like seperate partitions for your files and being another /home location for your device( Just make sure you swap back to your local /home partition as your main home before unplugging)
If it's a desktop, I'd have zero issue making another /home partition and would even have enough space to back up all of my home almost indefinitely
The unscripted rambling is kinda fun.
A thing I do is I like to symlink a bunch of directories in my home to another drive on the system. And I also have Downloads and .cache symlinked to a ramdisk, which I recommend doing
Me I do care and any of our user / production systems has a separate SSD for the / partition, and a separate hard drive for the swap and /home partition. The pity of the data you showed is that the ones most likely to need this are the new users who have no idea how to do that. With luck the inquiring types will find your videos and be as happy with you as I am. All the best!
If you have a big SSD (1Tb or more), then why bother? But if you have a small boot SSD (64Gb-128Gb), then home should be separated and reside in a separate disk, traditional or SSD.
This is one of those things that new users shouldn't worry about. Most of the time it's just unnecessary complication with little benefit and requires you to know where things are stored and how much you will actually need where. For other use cases it can depend greatly. Servers should be split up as it can prevent downtime and help define your expected functionality. For filesystems like zfs and btrfs it's often advisable to create separate datasets for every home directory, share, or other kinds of divisions because it makes it easier to snapshot / rollback / clone, etc. So yes, it all depends, but don't feel obligated to do detailed partitioning for your typical home system.
I would have found it really helpful to be able to reinstall the system without having to copy over the /home every time.
I'd reccomend trying it, but if it doesn't work then leave it be
@@iXenox While I can see how it would be helpful if you are in that "reinstall constantly" phase. I think especially for new people it would be bad advice to rely on a separate home partition for the purpose of speeding up reinstall. It's just too easy to wipe your data during an install. It's always best practice to back up your data first rather than trust you won't make some mistake partitioning.
@@entelin I didn't say that you don't need backups, I said that I don't want to copy once to the backup drive and once to the used drive after install.
Copying twice is slower than copying once. (Esp. on HDDs)
Retaining the /home isn't a replacement for backups and I never said that.
How is this not clear?
The best part is that I don't even have unrecoverable files on it (like family photos or something), I just got horribly tired of setting up the _identical_ defaults _everywhere_ for the 5th time
After my 2nd reinstall of Linux Mint, I determined that using a separate /home partition was good, made reinstalling Mint a way lot faster.
Personally, I keep /home on a separate physical drive. 'Makes it portable and easy to recover from issues caused by things like /home being on a separate drive.
Your UEFI problems were probably because the installer insisted on using the partition of the installation media for the installed system. Use Ventory with the -g option to ensure that the Ventoy drive is UEFI.
I put my /home folder on a separate drive so that I can boot into different distros and still get to all my stuff..
I have had similar problems with MX Linux. The work around I found was do a dummy installation, letting the installer set up the ESP / EFI partition. Once it had the ESP partition it recognized, I could partition the rest of the drive manually. One must beat on the MX "Helpful" built in installer's partitioner to format the ESP partition when switching from Ubuntu to MX. The Installer's partitioner want to Preserve the ESP partition. This would leave the Ubuntu ESP /boot code in your new MX installation. Shoehorning the ESP partition in the right place is the trick. One might need to use another UEFI aware installation disk to get the ESP partition written in the right place. The installer needs to check for an ESP partition, Before moving on to the real system installation. An ESP partition Check needs to replace the old swap Partition check older systems used. ESP partitions are Assumed, but not yet built into the partitioning step properly. Thankfully, this should only be a serious problem on virgin boot drives.
I think the best reason today is to put the home folder outside flash memory and not have problems with lots of writes.
I don't create the partitions inside the installer, i usually create them with the gdisk and them just select everything on the installer.
Dude..nans flash today ( with the possible exception of QLC) isn't the weak problem proned nand flash of pre 2013 or even 2012.
...unless you're talking s mishkin ssd then..well yeah ya better not write a single terabyte to that thing no matter what. Lol
But seriously
There isn't much need to worry about the longevity of today's nand flash . It will last just as long as hard drives now
The whole write-cycle-phobia thing is WAYYYYY overblown, especially with modern hardware. The computer will most likely be obsolete before you run out of wrtie cycles. We're talking 20 years of service under normal conditions, easy. :)
@@EzeeLinux Indeed...I couldn't agree more. I figured it would be around 10 years worst case *shrugs* for people like me who occasionally test nuking an install..installing fresh, setting up everything, do a Foxclone disk clone or system image backup as well as separately a Timeshift snapshot including /home and .bashrc and the gnome-terminal history file and /var to include flatpak applications ( such as my flatpak game emulators)...
If you have worn through a flash drive you either bought a cheap drive or you are 200 years old and are a time traveler. SSDs will outlive YOU. The whole "burn through" paranoia thing was based on older flash memories without write wear management, where you could repetitively write a single location. Modern SSDs won't allow that, and are capable of sparing out sectors in any case. In 200 years when your SSD fails, it won't be because of a single location. The entire drive will be dying by then.
@@EzeeLinux Good to know that, thanks everyone
Separation of program and data is important. But that is basic Computer Science.
Partitioning. First the UEFI System Partition. Second the Operating System Partition, Third the Swap Partition. the rest of the drive is the /home partition for your data. In Windows, try to limit the OS partition to 20 GB. When Windows screws up its files system and has to run chkdsk it takes less time for 20 GB than 200 GB.
On my primary machine, I create a separate home partition. On this one. its actually a separate drive. This way, if I need to, I can reinstall, mount the home partition, and lose nothing, especially if I make my username the same.
It also has a swap of 2x the ram, which is a lot. I do use hibernate.
My other laptops? I don't care, I let the installer do what it wants.
I make my user name the same but I never use my old home directory. Before I reinstall I rename my old user directory. I do not want to transfer old dot config files to my new system. I do want to keep all of my data files though. So once the new system is up and running I change the owner of the old home directory to my new user. So I can go into my old directory whenever I want to.
On pc with 32GB ram and laptop with 16. I don't use swap at all for about 2-3 years. No problems so far.
I have / and home on the same partition. I may be wrong but on ssd if disk fails it will not matter if I have one or more partitions. I just do home backups on separate drives.
You need a bit of swap space. The kernel sometimes needs it and some programs can access it directly. Best to have a little.
@@EzeeLinux but If I don't use it for 3 years and didn't notice any problems why should I change it?
@@JM-sn5eb You have been warned. If you run into a situation where you need it the system will just crash.
So the /home directory is like the user folder on Windows, with music, documents, pictures, etc.?
Separate partitions can only really be useful if on separate drives to maximise io speeds. Just a thought.
Wrong.
@@1pcfred Please help me understand then. Thanks
@@avertry9529 when you separate /home you can change your OS and keep your private files. Which is really useful itself. I've done it countless times myself. Yeah you can copy everything off /home. But it's a lot easier to just leave it. What I do is I rename my old home directory right before I switch though so I get a fresh account start. Then I change ownership of my old home directory to my new user so I can continue accessing all of my old data. I don't want to transfer any old configuration files to a new account. I do want my data though.
You don't "need" a separate /home partition, but if you choose not to create one it's all on you. I will always create one, except in virtual machines, because the simplification and ease of upgrading or reinstalling the distribution is just too much of an advantage to give up.
However, I have stopped creating a swap partition. The big reason is because I have upgraded to an SSD and the idea of potential frequent unnecessary use on a storage device with a limited number of writes just doesn't seem to be worth it. The second biggest reason is I have 16 GB of RAM and only ever even use a fraction of it. And lastly... create a 256-512 MB partition, of a 2 TB drive, just for swap? I don't even like the EFI partition, no reason to create a similarly-sized swap partitipn if I don't have to.
I used to create a home directory but usually the space was eaten up so quickly keeping the other unused space basically unused. Now o dont bother keeping a different home directory. SO basically it the the use of space which forced me to ditch the separate home partition.
I not only have my /home on a separate partition... it lives on a dedicated HDD... :-)
When I was interning at freegeek (A social enterprise that refurbished ol PC's) we had a standard installation for Linux mint. The home partition was sequestered so that if a client had corrupted their machine, we could easily re-install linux mint and iddnt put their data at risk.,
Great video! helped me figure out the installer
its better to have it,
because system updates can be independent of home folder
Great video, lots of nice little snippets of information beyond the main message, thank you so much. Intrigued by your sshin command, would love to get more info on how to set this up.
Just look for how to setup ssh.... There are lost of great tutorials. :)
I have 3 SSD's. One for boot and root, one for home and one for opt.
I created a folder inside opt, that I then took ownership of, creating basically a second home in there, for personal files.
I also have swap on a usb stick, but don't tell anyone
I house my /home partition on a whole nother HDD(spinner) in my machine. This secondary drive was pulled off of a working SFF Dell that I had damaged while atempting to install a m.3 ssd and in the prcess of doing so bent apins on a connector on the motherboard..
I just selected Erase hard drive and install Linux Mint I don't risk doing anything else as I don't want to break the distribution and I still want to work as normal.
20:33 just following your instruction: "yOuRr an iDioT for using ext4"
xD apparently I'm an idiot too😅👍
Have been dual booting for like 7 years now
It's just better to click on "something else" and set it up yourself.
Although it takes a lil bit of careful effort, you do understand what each partition does and at the end you get a much more stable system than whatever the install wizard does.
i've moved my system to a bigger ssd as i've upgraded my system some time ago. few months later, I ran short on space again, so I just added another disk, mounted it as /home/me and mv'd files over there (actually, the other way around). I don't like waiting for games to load, so I've added another m.2 for the steam cache folder.
tl,dr: "this folder needs more space!" - "okay, let's mount a 40TB SAN volume ...done."
I just love the way unix directory hierachy works. C:? D:? E:, DVD? F:? arbitrary work-around-their-own-shortcomings-nonsense from the 1980's (just look it up)
I have seen one or two that REQUIRE one-- but I can't remember which... because I didn't DO IT and it still worked!!! I think one was one of those immutable messes..
an example here. Note the different mount options. The different filesystems. The reason for this is security, performance etc.
You cannot misuse /tmp for instance with the sticky bit to compile your script-kiddie stuff and execute it, haverivilege escalations.
/dev/mapper/system-home on /home type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime)
/dev/mapper/system-opt on /opt type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
/dev/mapper/system-root on / type ext4 (rw,relatime)
/dev/mapper/system-srv on /srv type ext4 (rw,relatime)
/dev/mapper/system-storage on /storage type xfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,attr2,inode64,logbufs=8,logbsize=32k,noquota)
/dev/mapper/system-tmp on /tmp type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,data=ordered)
/dev/mapper/system-usr on /usr type ext4 (rw,relatime)
/dev/mapper/system-var on /var type ext4 (rw,nosuid,relatime,data=ordered)
/dev/mapper/system-vartmp on /var/tmp type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,data=ordered)
/dev/nvme0n1p3 on /boot type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
You could even make /boot ro and only make rw when you have a new kernel.
I have /data mounted on its own partition, then create directories in there which would normally live in ~/ such as /data/Downloads/, /data/code/, /data/Pictures/, /data/Documents, etc., owned by my user account. I then symlink those from my home directory. Then, I can easily access the same files from multi-boot installs on the same machine, and simply and easily persist data through re-installs or other future installations, but without having to worry about having distro-specific config files turn up where they're not wanted.
It depends on the filesystem you wanna use too
The problem with doing separate partitions is you end up with a lot of wasted space. Granted that's less of an issue these days as drives have gotten larger. But if you set aside 100GB for your root partition, and your OS etc will only ever use 30GB then there's 70GB wasted. At least for my workstations I prefer just letting the OS handle it.
For the average user: start with one partition for all and if you need a swap you should install more ram if possible; but you allways can use swapfiles (just turn your PC off without S3 sleep).
But you should consider a EFI-Boot partion FAT32 with 512MB in size. It's a pain to have you bootloader only 440 bytes in size.
It depends on the system: gentoo: it's nice to have a /var/tmp/portage on a partition (ramdisk if possible as SSD wears out and rustcc comples much faster on a ramdisk), with /home you could do a noexec mount as security and /var for mailserver and /usr on a sperate partion is a good idea if you need an emergency boot option (I allways use a separate fresh nearly only stage3 image). In a network: allways have /home sparate (NFS); With multiple partition you could use overlay mounting.
this was the slowest least straight to the point way you could have made this video. stumbled around every small point for 5 minutes
Not only do I have a separate home directory...I have a separate home drive for my desktop. I can totally wipe out my installation...and still have all of my settings and files so that I cam just pick up where I left off right away.
I've had a bad time dual booting, so I got a SATA power switch module and just give power to the drive I want to boot from and use the NVMe drive as shared high speed storage.
I want to mount a separate drive for my home directory and LUKS encrypt it as well.
You do not need a separate /home partition as long as your version is supported. When the support stops and you have to install a later version then there is a problem. If you have a separate /home partition you will have to install the new version and all the other programs you use (like unrar). If you do not have a separate /home partition, installing the new version will wipe out all your data. Enjoy!
I think these days a separate home directory could be useful if those linux instances are VMs! For example in proxmox VE i could manage backing up only the home directory drive, which vhdd i can create as a secondary drive in proxmox. So in that case i save some backup/snapshots space, not including the VMs OS vhdd! Yeah, good idea i just had, I'm gonna try it and see if later i see fit in a working daily system. And if that similarly could work out on a windows system as well, i could save a lot of backup space.
I will create a separate /home partition if it is on another drive.
I will create a separate /home partition on the same drive and for very good reasons I may add. I will NEVER put /home and root on the same partition, ever.
If your system crash while your are doing an upgrade. You gone be very happy to protect this partition by blocking the format operation on this partition . And to be able to make a clean install.