@@MrGreenelight Not in towing and ground clearance. And AWD minivans are hard to get ahold of. The Grand Highlander and Traverse come close in passenger space as well. Cargo space is much less since the seats don't fold into the floor but still a lot of space.
@@plmn93 I agree, with the ground clearance as a whole, the fact is that most so called SUV's are not SUV at all, they are hatch backs, and cross overs built an car frames not trucks. Also, even true SUV hardly utilize the high ground clearance or ever go off road, they never see more than a speed bump in a nice neighborhood or grocery store parking lot..so the ground clearance is just lost usable space. Mini vans have seats that fold down, into the floor and/ or are completely removable, not to mentions safer (crash testing lower center of gravity less likely to roll over and , more aerodynamic/ fuel efficient, sliding doors, and depending on the engine can tow as much. as SUV,; mabye not as much as pick up trucks, but as much as SUV's.
@@MrGreenelight Minivans max out at 3500 pounds towing, while most SUVs are 5000+. That's the difference between a small pop up and a real travel trailer. None of these are doing real off roading, but that extra clearance can make a big difference in snow. We've owned both. The space in the vans was nice when the kids were little, but we much prefer the extra capability now. And, the SUVs drive nicer and handle heavy loads better. Every vehicle has compromises, vans are no different.
true that, I am a a single guy with no kids and I have own two, minivans. I prefer function over fashion. The mini van is the most versatile vehicle one can get, they are good at everything. I bought an SUV recently only because I was in a bind, and couldn't hind a mini van in the condition or under 200K mile for sale or price range for me . Yes, mini vans are also high mileage vehicles. they are work horses.
@@brokeboy87 The first mini van owned was called an APV, ( All Purpose Vehicle) It was a 1996 Chevy Lumina APV, .Even though it was my personal vehicle. The staff at my job often wanted/ asked to use it for group trips meeting / outings and emergency deliveries/ shipments to our customer. The rear seat folded down, they were also reconfigurable to any arrangement and completely removable. People use to laugh at me because I had a mini van, then call me a few weeks later asking me to do something for them with it that their car or SUV couldn't. Mazda has a MPV (Multi Purpose Vehicle) actually a min van .
I just got one to replace my 2005 Sienna still running flawlessly at 325K miles with only few minor repairs. What I love about the newest Sienna is its 36 mpg (almost 100% better mpg than the 2005 Sienna).
@@sauronthegreat5799, we drove our 2007 Toyota Prius for 12 years, selling it with 220,000 miles and its original hybrid battery. My in-laws drove a 2006 Camry Hybrid for 17 years. They replaced the hybrid battery after 15 years because they knew they were going to eventually pass it along to a grandchild. There’s a hybrid battery replacement company called Greenbean Battery, and they sell rebuilt batteries for half of what the dealers offers.
Good luck buying one. Or a Highlander. Long waits and thousands in markups. Toyota is peeing on their customers and telling them it's raining. I walked away.
Not here. They just keep selling out on Corollas and GR86, and don't get me started on the GR Corollas that are marked up to 60K. Siennas are selling good, but not extreme amount enough to mark up way over msrp.
@@philipskyeah , in America buying a car is a fucking nightmare because you’re forced to deal with salespeople , and haggling is a must if you don’t want to get screwed over .
The minivan is definitely more practical and spacious. The only thing I don’t like about the new sienna is the fact you can’t remove entirely the 2nd row seats. There also appears to be less headroom in the third row due to design elements to make it sporty looking. I love my 2013 Toyota sienna.
My Higlander has 84" of clear cargo space behind the front seat with the rest of the seats layed down. The Sienna doesn't have this feature for the second row seats and that is why I don't own one.
I kind of like it. I remember being 16 and the first gen sienna was king. That has always been my favorite one of them all. I miss the simple days, haha.
Yeah it's ridiculous what Toyota is doing. Making customers pay the Platinum price of $58k for a base model SMH. I'm also noticing they have jack in stock for the higher trims. Is there a chip shortage or what?
That is very true but people should buy the grand highlander if they just wanna midsize SUV and they don’t wanna pay as much. But dang that car is nice.
My mom needs this car because I have a therapist coming to comfort me in the car so the third row would be perfect especially when sometimes my little sister comes to run errands too
Toyota doesn't make excess vehicles like some other automakers; they're only building vehicles that are already sold. If you see a new one at a dealership that's not sold, it's because someone backed out of getting the car.
That second row, to me, is the biggest negative versus an Odyssey. Only two seats and they aren't designed to be removable. I need three across the second row sometimes and sometimes its nice to take out the middle row for max cargo space.
This can be used for living going on a cross country excursion with EVERYTHING needed...just make sure you have knowledge of how to fix minor things and you're set to go!!!💯
I owned a 2022 sienna XLE AWD. I loved it. But even seeing the GH - I prefer it to the sienna. Sienna downfalls: light suspension bottoms out easy when loading for trips. Lift gate is too low for someone who is 6’ tall. Have to bend to prevent hitting head.
The Sienna XSE has stiff and hash suspension, even the smallest road imperfections will cause it to shake all over, with various interior components making all kinds of squeaks and rattles, like a symphony orchestra. It was my first minivan and it looked good: lowed body, big wheels low profile tire, sport body kit. Aside from the vibration and noise, it didn't give me any sense of a sports car. I sold this POS within a year.
I had the AWD version with 18" wheels... I can imagine the FWD models with 20" wheels are worse! I didn't have an XSE to test drive beforehand, but I had a sienna LE rental and I liked it. I didn't think the XSE would be THAT much stiffer... well, it is folks. Find a way to go for a test drive. the XSE also does not have the acoustic glass or sound deadening, so with the stiffer suspension I feel that it transfers more noise into the cabin. the suspension is just overkill for a minivan.
I chose the Honda minivan because the Sienna seats are too uncomfortable and less versatile. I don't need crazy legroom, but I do need all the things the Honda's seats can do. Also, I didn't particularly appreciate how this car drove or handled. Sure it has top-notch gas mileage but it also 6K-8K more so you're kind of paying for the MPG cost difference upfront
I loved the space and look of this Sienna! I must be honest! I have a 2018 Toyota Chr and I just HATE IT! I only went for it, because money was tight at the time! I really would like to get a SUV or minivan because of the better interior space and that better viewing driving on the roads
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That third row window shade 😂 definitely worth mentioning 😅
Ikr!🤭😂
Windows are huge and if you’re in Florida or Texas u need that
That was awful. Covered maybe 50% of the surface area?
Terrible 😂
I mean something is better than nothing~ 😂.
Good review Mason. A reminder that a 3 row SUV hasn't replaced the van.
Thanks!
@@CarConfections Mini-vans are the ultimate all purpose vehicles.they beat large SUV's in everything.
@@MrGreenelight Not in towing and ground clearance. And AWD minivans are hard to get ahold of. The Grand Highlander and Traverse come close in passenger space as well. Cargo space is much less since the seats don't fold into the floor but still a lot of space.
@@plmn93 I agree, with the ground clearance as a whole, the fact is that most so called SUV's are not SUV at all, they are hatch backs, and cross overs built an car frames not trucks. Also, even true SUV hardly utilize the high ground clearance or ever go off road, they never see more than a speed bump in a nice neighborhood or grocery store parking lot..so the ground clearance is just lost usable space. Mini vans have seats that fold down, into the floor and/ or are completely removable, not to mentions safer (crash testing lower center of gravity less likely to roll over and , more aerodynamic/ fuel efficient, sliding doors, and depending on the engine can tow as much. as SUV,; mabye not as much as pick up trucks, but as much as SUV's.
@@MrGreenelight Minivans max out at 3500 pounds towing, while most SUVs are 5000+. That's the difference between a small pop up and a real travel trailer. None of these are doing real off roading, but that extra clearance can make a big difference in snow. We've owned both. The space in the vans was nice when the kids were little, but we much prefer the extra capability now. And, the SUVs drive nicer and handle heavy loads better. Every vehicle has compromises, vans are no different.
Vans = underrated ❤
Vans move people. I love vans 👍
Vans solve the third-row issue that most mid-sized crossovers struggle with.
true that, I am a a single guy with no kids and I have own two, minivans. I prefer function over fashion. The mini van is the most versatile vehicle one can get, they are good at everything.
I bought an SUV recently only because I was in a bind, and couldn't hind a mini van in the condition or under 200K mile for sale or price range for me . Yes, mini vans are also high mileage vehicles. they are work horses.
@@MrGreenelight kia even dropped the mini van name because of the stigma and refer to it as multiple purpose vehicle.
@@brokeboy87 The first mini van owned was called an APV, ( All Purpose Vehicle) It was a 1996 Chevy Lumina APV, .Even though it was my personal vehicle. The staff at my job often wanted/ asked to use it for group trips meeting / outings and emergency deliveries/ shipments to our customer.
The rear seat folded down, they were also reconfigurable to any arrangement and completely removable.
People use to laugh at me because I had a mini van, then call me a few weeks later asking me to do something for them with it that their car or SUV couldn't.
Mazda has a MPV (Multi Purpose Vehicle) actually a min van .
I think the baby impression is the best reason
I definitely agree
😂😂😂
56,000.00… nutty on the price
56,000 USD ?
@@dongalo28-lb8rh I think so… even still, high in Canadian dollars
Yes, if you want to pay $10K markup and wait until 2025 to take delivery. Sienna inventory is nonexistent now.
exactly!
Same with the Grand Highlander in my area.
Nonexistent because no one bats an eye about minivan and estate anymore, all you see on the road now are 2 tons SUVs and pickups
Lucky for me since I work for Toyota I got one for my dad at sticker price and it came in a week!!
Placed order in Nov 2020, still no sign of delivery
In a family oriented Asia, vans are king.
yeah listen to the BOOMER sell you that van🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I just got one to replace my 2005 Sienna still running flawlessly at 325K miles with only few minor repairs. What I love about the newest Sienna is its 36 mpg (almost 100% better mpg than the 2005 Sienna).
Only problem with the hybrid system is it’s longevity. Do you need to replace the battery after 100,000 miles? How much would it cost?
@@sauronthegreat5799, we drove our 2007 Toyota Prius for 12 years, selling it with 220,000 miles and its original hybrid battery. My in-laws drove a 2006 Camry Hybrid for 17 years. They replaced the hybrid battery after 15 years because they knew they were going to eventually pass it along to a grandchild. There’s a hybrid battery replacement company called Greenbean Battery, and they sell rebuilt batteries for half of what the dealers offers.
Good luck buying one. Or a Highlander. Long waits and thousands in markups. Toyota is peeing on their customers and telling them it's raining. I walked away.
Not over here. They have too many at the dealerships. Nobody wants to buy em. They keep selling out of rav4s
Not here. They just keep selling out on Corollas and GR86, and don't get me started on the GR Corollas that are marked up to 60K. Siennas are selling good, but not extreme amount enough to mark up way over msrp.
customers running around like a bunch of 6 year olds trying to catch fireflies
It's not $56k, dealerships want at least $5k more.
All dealers around me are adding a 10k mark up plus a protection package.
@@chalpua8802used they wanted 50k from my dealership car max had a used one a year newer for 42k tho.
InAmerica? In Canada it’s msrp
@@philipskyeah , in America buying a car is a fucking nightmare because you’re forced to deal with salespeople , and haggling is a must if you don’t want to get screwed over .
F the dealerships my guy.
Lmao that third row window shade
If only they made a slightly longer version they could have my $60,000 even
I do wish they would have used the van as a base … then raised it and squared it off for a suv … I would actually love a factory raised sienna awd
Hell yeah. Just change the bumpers and your good to go.
Yep I enjoy my awd older sienna
These aren’t available for order in all the dealerships in Ontario Canada. There isn’t even a waitlist.
Got lucky with one of these, was able a 21 XLE for 40k, but I had to drive 200 miles out
Not bad
I love all that rear seat room
The minivan is definitely more practical and spacious. The only thing I don’t like about the new sienna is the fact you can’t remove entirely the 2nd row seats. There also appears to be less headroom in the third row due to design elements to make it sporty looking. I love my 2013 Toyota sienna.
My Higlander has 84" of clear cargo space behind the front seat with the rest of the seats layed down. The Sienna doesn't have this feature for the second row seats and that is why I don't own one.
Yea but it's probably not as tall inside once you hide the seats
@@vadimnesen8060 True but I only need 29" to fit my stuff. The length is the most important for my purposes inside.
@@mrvoyagerm makes sense.
in seattle 2022 platinum with 6k miles is listed for 74k
Everything in Seattle is more expensive than the national average so no surprise 😊
@@thefearlesskibaarka9642that's still rediculous tho and the prices itself is a joke. 56k. Rip off.
I had the entertainment feature in my buick enclave and used it 3 times in 10 years.
You almost had me when you said more stylish
Tons of space!
Green outside, brown seats, gray headliner, and light tan pillars and siding on the inside.. yeah that’s abysmal
Good review. Almost convinced me to get into a van, so good going. But I’m not quite that desperate yet 😂
That's the saddest window shad I've ever seen
I live in a extreme cold weather climate and ground clearance + AWD is worth its weight in gold out here. GH has both.
It also has e-AWD. I live in Canada and drove civic to Quebec City and skiing. No problem. I just needed a good set of snow tires.
Platinum ？
Mini vans are the true all purpose vehicles.
I kind of like it. I remember being 16 and the first gen sienna was king. That has always been my favorite one of them all. I miss the simple days, haha.
I miss them too Jay 👍
Bro.... That entertainment system you just mentioned is available in our $30000 Indian Toyota Innova type 4 2014
it need a hybrid max
How does the baby cry😂😂
This is actually one of your best reviews...I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Toyota engineers are just too wonderful
I have the Grand Highlander
I love it, if only i could get a GAS POWERED ONE. Don't hit me with 'the fine print'
40.8 mpg mixed 50/50 city hwy is my tank average
Very very nice. My wife loves this. But I want a yukon xl denali
THAT LOOKS LIKE LUXURY!
only if toyota made more of them
Bro that tv is huge
I feel like I can live in that car.
Will the driver be able to still see the view of the rearview mirror if that screen is out for the backseat passengers?
You got me with the baby impression 😂
Nice review, I think that is the best Van on the market by now.
Fold down foot rest behind front seat would be amazing
That dvd screen is MASSIVE
The colour slaps 🔥
The versatility of Sienna is unparalleled. Great choice for a family of 4 to 6
That interior is crazy amazing. But getting over the, its a mini van is hard 😅
Hang on a sec while I wait a year to pay $53k for a base model Sienna
If you look you can find a good deal and get it now but all you pussies just complain
Yeah it's ridiculous what Toyota is doing. Making customers pay the Platinum price of $58k for a base model SMH. I'm also noticing they have jack in stock for the higher trims. Is there a chip shortage or what?
I wish they'd make more of these so the prices would come down.
The 3rd row sun screen shade LOOKS LIKE ITS FOR THE MIDDLE CHILD😂😂😂
The hybrid awd would make an awesome cross country camper.
That is very true but people should buy the grand highlander if they just wanna midsize SUV and they don’t wanna pay as much. But dang that car is nice.
My mom got a 2010 Sienna LE for around $21k in September 2012. Served us well for a few years.
naice
My mom needs this car because I have a therapist coming to comfort me in the car so the third row would be perfect especially when sometimes my little sister comes to run errands too
Isn’t that what a mother is for? To comfort you? Why pay someone else to do it? 😂
Still driving a minivan. The stigma remains.
The problem is that once you open that rear seat entertainment system, it makes the rear view mirror unusable.
Practicality is stylish!
Sienna still had supply issues? We're midway in 2023!
People keep buying them, even at the higher prices. So they are hard to get.
@@justSTUMBLEDuponnah Toyota don't supply very few
Toyota doesn't make excess vehicles like some other automakers; they're only building vehicles that are already sold. If you see a new one at a dealership that's not sold, it's because someone backed out of getting the car.
This would be the dream roadtrip car for kids
Looks like the Minivans are making a come back!
That second row, to me, is the biggest negative versus an Odyssey. Only two seats and they aren't designed to be removable. I need three across the second row sometimes and sometimes its nice to take out the middle row for max cargo space.
If you on this then technically you'll never be homeless.
Why are rear turn signal indicators not LED?
This can be used for living going on a cross country excursion with EVERYTHING needed...just make sure you have knowledge of how to fix minor things and you're set to go!!!💯
Can you remove the seats for moving cargo?
Now know you been ridiculous not everybody wants a mini van
Holy shit that’s an entire apartment
Are the seats removeable?
I owned a 2022 sienna XLE AWD. I loved it. But even seeing the GH - I prefer it to the sienna.
Sienna downfalls:
light suspension bottoms out easy when loading for trips.
Lift gate is too low for someone who is 6’ tall. Have to bend to prevent hitting head.
The Sienna XSE has stiff and hash suspension, even the smallest road imperfections will cause it to shake all over, with various interior components making all kinds of squeaks and rattles, like a symphony orchestra. It was my first minivan and it looked good: lowed body, big wheels low profile tire, sport body kit. Aside from the vibration and noise, it didn't give me any sense of a sports car. I sold this POS within a year.
I had the AWD version with 18" wheels... I can imagine the FWD models with 20" wheels are worse! I didn't have an XSE to test drive beforehand, but I had a sienna LE rental and I liked it. I didn't think the XSE would be THAT much stiffer... well, it is folks. Find a way to go for a test drive. the XSE also does not have the acoustic glass or sound deadening, so with the stiffer suspension I feel that it transfers more noise into the cabin. the suspension is just overkill for a minivan.
The backpack baby sound 😅
This is amazing, but Van prices are getting out of control.
Actually, the initial reason 1 is true! It is more stylish. The GH is a bland box.
Yeah…if you can find one…
Love the wah wah wah! Yes mini vans are awesome for families . We got the Grand highlander but i would love a camperized mini van.
I have the 2012 version, very good car but very different from this one
What year is this sienna.
We hate Toyota sienna💔 We love Scorpio❤
That is how I set up my middle seats.
Which offers AWD? Roll with that.
In Canada, need to wait 2 years to get it
Pacifica Takes the Trophy 🏆
🥭🥭Get real ...That is Chrysler garb.🥭🥭 The worst in its class..😊
Did he say 56k?
The only problem is that none is available to buy. 😂😅. Used going for $80000
Do you think paying msrp is a good deal?
You forgot the Year Plus Long wait to get a Sienna, vs the Grand Highlander, which you can get immediately.
BRO IT'S A VANNNNNNN😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I chose the Honda minivan because the Sienna seats are too uncomfortable and less versatile. I don't need crazy legroom, but I do need all the things the Honda's seats can do. Also, I didn't particularly appreciate how this car drove or handled. Sure it has top-notch gas mileage but it also 6K-8K more so you're kind of paying for the MPG cost difference upfront
Id still get the grand highlander over this though since it has offroad capabilities and can go trailing aswell.
dude it doesn't have a sunroof so im not buying
It does. In front
I loved the space and look of this Sienna! I must be honest! I have a 2018 Toyota Chr and I just HATE IT! I only went for it, because money was tight at the time! I really would like to get a SUV or minivan because of the better interior space and that better viewing driving on the roads
Maybe the luxury 4x4 large van, is the new next big thing in the automotive industry.
When will toyota sienna have middle row come fully out?
Not going to happen in this generation. The middle seats have airbags I believe.
It does come out just annoying
Tbh I think the Chrysler Pacifica was better in my opinion, but I do love the color and the way the seat can slide back but that is about it lol 😂
The entertainment screen blocks the rear view mirror. Eww...
Digital mirror is a joke to you
My grandpas 2014 Grand Caravan SE cost him $15k. It's got stow n go which the Sienna STILL doesnt have
Last one I looked at the rear seat had a recliner function that lifted the legs
It's normally on the Platinum trim but this model picked the optional spare tire instead
This car has $75 spare tire
What’s the point when they are not available
You are not going to enjoy it tho. Cuz you are the one who is driving and the wife and kids are taking the huge backseats like kings 😢