Toyota HYBRID maintenance cost is shocking!
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Are you stuck between buying a hybrid Toyota versus a non hybrid Toyota?
Are you worried or concerned that having a hybrid means more problems or more maintenance cost during the life of the vehicle!?
Watch this video to learn more about hybrid maintenance compared to a non hybrid and learn the key facts you should consider when debating between the two!
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I have 2023 rav4hybrid. It’s the sweetest running vehicle I’ve ever owned in over 75 years. I’m 90 years old.
祝您长命百岁。
WOW. Great you enjoy your car and driving❤
The most splendid recommendation. I wish you well right through your blessed 90s. Cheers 🥂
You should not be allowed to drive at 90 😮
I have a third gen Prius with 200K miles and it is by far the most reliable car I've ever had. I did replace the hybrid battery at 190k for $1600 and have a life warranty on it now. Everything else just perfect, unlike the Mercedes and Audi I also had, they constantly had something breaking down. Lexus and Toyota are simply the best overall cars.
lifetime warranty from the dealership?
I have a 07 Prius and 15 hybrid Avalon, very dependable and not costly to maintain. About 2 years ago replaced hybrid battery and regular battery for about $2,500.00, but that is less than it was a few years ago. I love both my hybrids !❤
My husband who has a extra back pain said that the preuies was really comfortable for him to sit in and ride in very comfortable
What's the name of company you got battery with life time warranty and phone number..thank you
@@zeljkodjukic5889Possibly Green Bean battery, which does offer a lifetime replacement guarantee on their reconditioned hybrid batteries.
I still own a Ford Escape Hybrid for 15 years, which uses the Toyota Hybrid system. I have never had any trouble with it and continues to run just fine. I love it.
Have a 2010 Lexus RX450H (hybrid), at 124,000km and absolutly no issues. Only engine oil change. Less fluids overall. What an amazing vehicle design.
Keeping the screen or replaceable battery fan intake filter is key to having the batteries remain cool and lasting longer. Don't wait for the overheat code. The sensors are located on the last batteries to heat up.
I have been driving a lot of cars in the past few decades. Frankly, the best car I’ve ever processed is a Toyota Prius. Never before have I experienced a car that never ever have any issues for hundreds of thousands of kilometres. Just driving and regular maintenance of course.
In terms of fuel conskumption I can say: in the first 400,000 km, I have saved as much money as the car cost when I bought it preowned.
After 400,000 km, I gave it to my daughter. She will drive it for another few hundreds of thousand km. This car is a gem!
Of course , my next car is another Toyota Prius.
Why should I buy any other car, when I can get the best car in the world?
I have a gen 3 Prius with just over two hundred thousand miles. I commute 73 miles one way, and it had been great. The only non scheduled maintenance was a water pump around 150000. I replaced it myself for around $150. Can’t beat it for the mission.
As always, "religious" maintenance is the key.
My 2008 Toyota Prius lasted for 16 years (I bought it in 2007...) and I let it go when it reached about 390,000 miles. If it was not for the "coolant leak" diagnosed I would still had it.
At first when I was going to buy it, many car dealers tried to discourage me, argumenting that the price was more than that for a similar size non-hybrid car. I do not regret a single minute having bought that Prius.
Not everyone can reach 390,000 miles in their whole lifetime.
You must be a Uber driver.
@TheGecko213 no Uber here. Like many people around this area, I commuted 50 miles one way to Miami every day for about 10 years, plus other traveling.
@@TheGecko213😆 🤣 😂
My 09 Camry Hybrid has 400000 km last Friday and from what I know it's the original hybrid battery and next to no repair just oil changes at 7500 km...
it’s a Prius though, gross
Something not mentioned; brake wear is significantly less for a hybrid car. I have 70,000 miles on my RAV4 hybrid with 50% remaining on the brakes, approximately. Love the torque and instant acceleration when merging on the highway - no delay caused by downshifting transmission on a standard car.
you need to grease and clean them since they are not used as much. We have a Prius AWDe and a 2021 RAV LE hybrid and we have them checked every fall and spring. We live in the countryside with hardly any stops on the way to the city (30km distance) . Our mechanic recommends that when you come to a stop to brake a bit later and harder just to keep them from rusting.
@@Bob064 nice to know. Thanks for the recommendation.
If you mostly drive in the highway, u do not use your break that much, and it will last longer.
@@anastaciolopez6259 but your burning almost as much fuel as a non hybrid.
I have 187K on my 2007 chevy duramax 4×4. Still on original brakes.
I live in Calgary, Canada and I received a 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid LXE in May 2022. Fuel efficiency is very good. In warmer months I can get up to 1,000km per 55L tank of gas. In the winter, the fuel efficiency is closer to 700km to 750km or so per tank. The main reason is that the gasoline engine starts up immediately in cold temperatures to warm up the vehicle. When temps are -10C or warmer the engine will warm up after about 10 min and the battery will start to kick in close to the same as normal. When temps are colder than -10C that is when the gasoline engine is working almost all the time and the battery is not working that much. Fuel mileage drops noticeably in colder months as a result, but not enough to offset the overall improvement in fuel efficiency of year-round ownership compared to a non-hybrid model.
I have a 2012 Prius V. I just had my annual maintenance...235.00 CDN. For me, using the Hybrid Assist app made all the difference, changed how I drive, lowered engine stress and I can monitor everything. I will never go back to a non-hybrid car again, I just got so used to how simple it all is. I always say to my wife, it feels less like a car and more like a transportation appliance.
I wish Honda included a spare on their 2024 CRV Hybrid. No spare Honda? $40K.
I own a 2019 Avalon Limited which now has 55K on the odometer. The car has an average mpg of 47.7 shown on the onboard data collection system. This car is without doubt the finest automobile I have ever owned. I am now 85 and have owned many cars. Most likely Toyota's other hybrids are similar to mine in quality. If you drive any distance hybrid is the way to go.
Your MPGs are probably higher then what your gage says. I did the math on my Camry Hybrid xle and it gets 52mpgs. The gage and the car specs had a lower mpgs.
Mine is a 15 hybrid Avalon, I love, love it ❤️
My 2021 Avalon Hybrid XLE gets 35 mpg, but I mainly drive short distances around town and deal with many hills, otherwise I'd probably get 40mpg. My 2003 Tahoe, which I purchased new and drove for 20 years gets 14mpg (great vehicle BTW), so I'm thrilled with 35mpg! I LOVE my Avalon!! It is so smooth and fun to drive, luxurious and spacious, nice moonroof, great sound system. I usually drive in Standard mode, but Sport mode kicks it up into another level of power, quickness, and fun. I plan on driving this for my next 20 years ❤
@@Jack-pd4ps If I wanted a sedan that Hybrid Camry would be the way to go. Too darn low though.
@@MatHerald GM built some very good trucks and SUV's back then.
Just picked up my Highlander hybrid platinum last Saturday and I love it! Had to fly to Charleston 😊West Virginia to get a good deal at Moses Toyota. Alex was my salesman. I live in Tennessee.
Congrats. I too just bought hybrid highlander xle bronze addition. I’ve had it for 2 weeks now and just love it. 2022 model with 15k miles. Going to schedule appointment with dealer for service. Would you believe my insurance is cheaper on this car than my old 89 Pathfinder. Hope body doesn’t rust like Nissan here in N.Y.
Could you give me his work number?Are you able to negotiate prices on the hybrids at all?
Toyota is the best car i ever had.very reliable and very much save fuel ⛽ economy.more than BMW & MERCEDES 😊
I drive 2015 Prius V and absolutely love it. The shock for me was only having to refuel after 3 weeks of driving vs once a week compared to my normal ICE vehicle.
My husband started taking my hybrid to work after gas prices started spiking once Americans returned to work post-2020. He refuels every 3 weeks instead of weekly also and his regular car is a very fuel efficient Honda.
The purchase price of that Prius vs gas vehicle could be $3,000-$5,000 buys a lot of gas.
@chodkowski01 diminishing amount over time. Was a $3000 "Premium" for me. Payback took 3.5 years. Im in Year 9 of ownership. They're only worth the premium if you hold onto your vehicle. If you're changing vehicles every 5 years or less, they don't make sense.
Got my rav4 xse hybrid this weekend, 8 miles when I got it. After dealing with 5 different dealerships with ridiculous markups, found one reasonably priced and arrived a week earlier than ETA we were advised. I love it so far, it looks bad ass and runs really great!
You got it less than a week ago and you comment on a maintenance video?
@@normanwells2755 i havent even started shopping around for one and already looking at maintenance videos lol It's so hard to make a decision on a good car
@@WilsonB-rc7wk
You are going to pay a lot more for hybrid.... msrp is a joke... and keep in mind that you may not going to get the car even if you put deposit for it. Dealer will sale it to someone else if they find a better price. Therefore don't bother to low ball them. They will keep you on the hook just in case if they could not find a better buyer.
@@sn3495 This is just not true, when I ordered my Lexus 450 LxH, I specialized everything that I wanted on it, even the color of the seats! When it came in people offered to buy it for $3,500.00 more dollars! The Dealership keep me informed, yes I had to wait do to the things that I stipulated I wanted, and that’s how it came. I was told that Lexus would no longer let people request the exterior color, with the color seats I wanted. Usually there White Pearl 450 H COMES WITH BLACK INTERIOR was what I was told .
@@sn3495Not my experience. Shop a different dealer. Go out of state if you have to.
Great info! The Hybrids are proven tanks thanks to their large planetary gear sets. The current generation already has data points of people putting 400,000 miles on them. Not having to worry about starters and alternators is nice we well. Rav4s are super DIY maintenance friendly too. Hybrid fan filter, inverter coolant, rear differential (transaxle) fluid are all doable with very simple tools. Same for oil change and trans fluid. I opted for the hybrid for a better driving experience and economy as a long term (150k+ mile) vehicle.
Hybrids stll have starters and altenators. If you didn't replace them as sooner as thr older ICE cars you have owned, all it confirms is they can make them better.
Also replacing alternators and starters are nothing really for the basic mechanic.
@@crxdelsolsir this is not true. Rav4 hybrids do not have a starter or an alternator. The traction battery is what starts the vehicle. This is also partially why you see such a small 12v battery in the hybrids. The inverter functions similarly to that of an alternator, but there is not an alternator in the hybrids.
@@jmichael6931 Never thought things in mind whether Hybrids have a starter or an alternator, very informative.
Hey crx guy YOUR WRONG Better read up.
Aren't hybrids more likely to catch on fire?
I had a 2014 Prius with 300K miles on it & still sold it for $5k. I never changed the batteries. Maintenance was done by Toyota Longo here in SoCal (it’s the best & biggest dealership in the USofA). A very reliable car indeed, nothing can compare with a Toyota when it comes to durability & resale value. Then got a 2019 Prius XLE & have 60 miles now & its still great. Very economical too. I’ll NEVER change this for an EV!
EVs are for the virtue signalling crowd - hybrids are the optimal overall best way to go given current technology. From total life time perspective the hybrid has time carbon foir print, far less requirenpment for exotic raw materials (which are proving to be very environmentalky threatening as demand scales up), better mpg than an ICE and better overall affordability. They are much more affordable than EVs (even with the govt incentive b.s.), don't suffer range anxiety issues, and the plug-in variety just sweetens the deal further.
My next vehichle is definitely going to be a hybrid and most definitely NOT an EV
You never replaced the batteries you claim, well I call that a straight up lie there only good for about up to 100,000 miles.
@@victoria19853are you saying I’m a liar??? What will I gain from lying if I never replaced my batteries!!!
Good information about hybrid vs not.
My biggest concern is finding a Toyota dealership that is not adding 2K to the msrp
About $6,000 was added to the MSRP (in various paint protection schemes, oil changes, rotations, and $450 floor mats to name some add of the add ons) on my 2023 Rav4 Limited Hybrid. It's a "do you want it or not" scam they can do because hybrids are in very short supply. They play that up.
But it's a great vehicle. One of the nicest vehicles to drive ever made. It's fantastic.
One caveat. I noticed 6 subscription services right away, and there may be more. The Toyota app apparently stinks, according to reviews. They made such a great vehicle, but their consumer software stinks. The app exists to sell subscription services.
Good video, especially appreciated finally hearing about the experienced reduction in hybrid performance in cold weather. This fact is very seldom mentioned in advertisements and lead people to think gas mileage would be the same in cold weather as warm weather. What was not mentioned are choice of tires making a difference as to their rolling resistance affecting gas mileage. Our Toyota Camry hybrid had Michelin green tires and we experienced 40-50mpg, then switched to regular Michelin tires and went to 35-37mog. So, rolling resistance afforded by the green Michelin made a huge difference.
all batteries under perform in cold weather; this has been since the advent of electric platforms in the early 1900's over ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO! >>>> CLICKBAIT
Are you saying that the hybrid would need special tires to keep the mpg up. Vs. Buying some cheap regular tires would bring the mpg down.? That’s my understanding
@@angelicafigueroa2513 I’m saying that the tires with the lowest rolling resistance will get the better mileage than say a softer tire with possibly a smoother ride. The inference here is a harder tire generally has less rolling resistance than a softer tire. Generally the harder tires have the longest advertised mileage rating and the softer tires wear out faster.
I have a 2019 RAV4 Hybrid with 40K miles. Hybrid model cost $900 more than non-hybrid. The fuel savings with the better mpg for the hybrid model paid back the $900 by 18K miles. I typically get around 40 mpg, and love to take the RAV4 on logging roads in the forests (Trail mode, 8" ground clearance).
Hi, I'm from the UK and drive,from new, a 2019 rav hybrid. I placed an order for a rav4 phev (prime) in April 2022. Have just been told by my dealer that they should be starting to build the vehicle within the next two weeks. With shipping etc they expect the rav to be at the dealership by end of August. That's 16 months from order. At the moment Toyota uk do a service plan and I pay £27 a month to maintain services. We have a service A and a sevice B alternate years which ensures best running. Also Toyota UK provide a years warranty after each service for up to 10 years or 100k providing the vehicle is serviced by Toyota. Happy motoring guys😊.
You forgot about the up to 15 years hybrid battery warranty with UK Toyota main dealer servicing which also includes a hybrid health check.
I bought toyota hybrids because of #1 reason - to save gas. I can also save gas using CVT based (belts). But @150-200k miles the batteries or belt-CVT will prob be replaced. I chose the Hybrid eCVT (planetary) due to its reliability. Batteries are easier to replace than Belt CVT. Furthermore, Hybrids have no alternators, starters, serpentine belts, tensioners, pulleys unlike the non-hybrids. So all the energy saved and makes for a simpler engine.
great to hear
Any update on the cablegate issues that these rav4 hybrids had ? Are they fixed in 2024 model ?
Thank you, good report we are considering a Hybrid vehicle in the next year or two looked at the Honda CRV and was impressed !!
I had a Prius for 7 years, and I really loved it. Maintenance costs were extremely low. By far the biggest cost was what the dealer charged to program the TPMS ever 6 months as they swapped in and out the snow tires. MPG was exactly as advertised (around 49 MPG). During the coldest month of those 7 years (near Boston), fuel efficiency dipped to 42 MPG.
Thought you were going to give me a good reason why I shouldn't have bought my 2022 RAV4 Hyb. 44 mpg and really enjoying it. 😉
The hybrid replacement battery pack for a Toyota RAV4 costs anywhere from $2,000 to $6,000. However, the final sum depends on whether you get a new, used, or recycled battery, and it's possible to replace it for $1,500-$3,500.
I say save the extra cost and clean the battery filter
@@SampaosLim510 The point is, there will come a day when the battery, just like any other battery, will no longer hold an adequate charge and will have to be replaced. If you're someone who doesn't keep your vehicle for more than a few years, then this doesn't apply. If you're like me and keep your cars for 10-20 years, now you have to calculate whether you think you'll save enough money in fuel to pay for a battery pack repair/replacement.
@@jsfbay1 Also, if you do keep your hybrid for only a few years, you should expect a lower trade-in value since potential buyers will balk at buying a used hybrid due to the possibility of a huge battery replacement expense. I was told to expect 15% or more less value over the gas version. Besides, if this EV push by the US government takes hold, and bans gas engines at some point, then the demand for gas engine vehicles on the used market will be very high...and trade in values will skyrocket. Just things to keep in mind.
@@williamwood1776, The data that is available shows that hybrid batteries are very reliable. There are many older Hybrids out there that have the original battery, especially Toyota's! There are still generation 1 and 2 Priuses out there with the original battery in twitch more than 300,000 miles on it. There is someone here who drives a generation 1 Prius sedan. I recently got a new Toyota Hybrid to replace my 2012 Camry Hybrid, and the hybrid battery is still in excellent shape. The only battery problems that any car has is the 12V battery, which on regular gasoline cars has to be replaced every 5 years. The 12V for hybrids lasts between 80,000 and 100,000 miles. Yes, hybrid batteries are expensive to replace, but you are putting out a lot of false information out there, Toyota dealers are wanting hybrid trade-ins , because they are selling very fast. almost as soon as they hit the lot.
Used Rav4 hybrids sell at a premium. I bought a 2019 Rav4 Limited in 2020. It only had 26 miles on it. KBB trade in is only $1000 less than I paid for it.
I have done own maintenance since dealership maintenance timed out. 2018 Camry hybrid, currently 52,000 miles, drive 500 miles on a tank of gas and refill with about 11.3 American gallons on average. Zero problems so far, total maintenance costs (excluding tires) equals price of oil and filters. Love my hybrid.
so, what's the shock ?
Attention seeking title was the only shock
Clickbait, I’m shocked!
The title doesn’t match the content, wasting time
The "shock" is that the more technically complex car, the hybrid, needs less maintenance. Any quick scan of Consumer Reports will show that; in almost every case the hybrid is a full grade better on reliability, regardless of the brand. Channel that fact into clickbait and you get the title of this video.
I find it interesting that no one seems to take into account that tires wear down faster and need to be replaced every 15000 in average. That's because the vehicle is heavier (battery) and faster acceleration on top of that.
You have to do the math. Unless you drive a lot, it'll take several years before the fuel savings pay you back for the extra cost of the vehicle. For example, driving a RAV4 hybrid 15,000 miles a year will save you about 125 gallons. Even at $4 a gallon, that's a savings of $600 a year. But the hybrid costs about $3,000 more. That's five years to break even. Depending on how you drive, where you drive, how much you drive, and which vehicle you chose, the payoff time will vary wildly.
And then there's the cost of the hybrid battery replacement if you keep your vehicle long enough.
Plus dealer markup for hybrids.
People who want a green car are very POOR at maths.
That is why they drive EVs and Hybrids.
I just got a Venza hybrid and for me, it was a total step up from a Tacoma. So I sold my Taco for 33k and bought a Venza LE for 38.5k. I could have kept the Taco and saved 5.5k, but now I have a new ride and a luxury car that’s much faster, so I don’t think I screwed up. I just have to drive it past 5 years to really make it worth it
80k miles to begin saving anything
It is not just hybrid vehicles. The dealer wanted $800 to change the lube in the differentials and transfer case on my Jeep wrangler. Got it done for $178 at a lube place.
Thanks! This is exactly I wanted to know for long.
I love my 2014 Prius V. In fact, the “V” is the best car I’ve ever owned. Other than maintenance, I never had to put $ into this car. I’m waiting for my new RAV 4 XLE to arrive. I ordered the car at the end of December. I’m looking forward to many years of safe, low maintenance driving.
My car before my Rav4 Hybrid was a Prius V. Absolutely do love the Prius V but only downfall was that it beeps going in reverse and its down a bit further. But a brand new Rav4 and I'm now at 8700 miles and I've been the the dealership about a dozen times. And carplay sucks on the Rav4. I do miss my Prius V but it does seem like Toyotas aren't as reliable as they once were.
Going on 4 months now 1800 miles with my 23 Venza Limited. I don’t drive a lot but love hybrids. My gas range is finally increasing to over 500 miles of range at 44mpg. I do not like the whinny engine when you need to get up a hill.. however great car for the value.. just needs a sunroof 😅..
Thanks for your thoughts!
I thought the Venza had a panoramic sun roof?
@@wabbit7608 optional star gaze roof that does not open. I couldn’t find one with the star gaze roof either.
I want the 23 Venza, but very hard to find now
@@Rissybearbe glad you didn’t find one… when they have problems, they are VERY expensive to fix.
My 2021 has the pano sunroof. I read one comment where the owner had an estimate of $ 6000 for a replacement.
I use mine exclusively in sport mode. 38 to 44 mpg. In eco mode, I got 55 mpg but not much fun in that mode.
I have a 2021 Venza and the gentleman in the video is correct, the vehicle does all he says and mo re. However Toyota is not acknowledging the high voltage cable problem that exist and therefore customers that live in winter climates may be hit with a 6 to 8 thousand dollar charge on replacing the cable after the three year warranty is over. My hybrid experience will be short lived.
That’s why I just traded in my 2021 Venza Limited. Bought a gas Highlander Limited. In addition to the cable, Stargaze sunroof has problems, with $ 6,000 bill. Trunk closure grinds.
@@paulstein9258 hey Paul, I still have mine, Toyota has acknowledged the cable issue and is going to warranty it up to eight years as you are probably aware. The only issues with mine to date was a rear piston for the tailgate was making noise. I don’t plan keeping it long term we’ll have to see given the cost of them here in Canada. The highlander is a very nice truck, a truck I believe could last you a long time, good luck with it.
I currently the owner of a 22 year old Toyota Prius....IT has been the best car I have ever owed. I'm 86 years old and have owned a few cars, none
As good as this car.. It has 239,000 miles, and is on it third battery. It looks as good as new, always great service from my Toyota dealer. The car looks
As good as the day it was bought. The car has a always been garaged, or car covered . Thank Toyota for building a great car.
ELMER BARBER.......VENTURA, CA
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You are too old to drive
@@lesliechiu1437Being 86 is not a cause by itself not to drive. FJ Biden is not like he is because he's old, but because he suffers from late stage Alheimer's syndrome
That car should not be on its third battery
Hybrid is the best last time I went to Niagara fall on QEW traffic bumper to bumper my 2022 venza hybrid limited my venza hybrid running only with electric time to time the gas engine turn on to the battery I really love the hybrid thanks for your video take care bye from milton Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you!
Another reason you may not want a hybrid is when you’re doing very low mileage and it takes many many years to recoup the purchasing cost difference.
I have a 2022 RAV4 limited that I bought with 16 miles on it. We love it so far. Probably will trade it at about 80,000 miles.
Woohooo
Thank you I have been considering the cross hybrid for my next car. This assures me.
Great great choice
I have a Ford escape hybrid first generation 2005. It is very reliable and is on the first battery, no brake changes due to regenerative braking and I only need to change the oil, filters, hybrid filter changing is key, and fluids occasionally. This thing is a very low cost vehicle. They last easy 300k. No regrets here!
I had a hybrid and the cost of insurance was about 25% higher the non-hybrid and the sAvings on gas was not enough to cover the cost of the insurance and I have a clean driving record and great credit
Do you know why it cost you more?
@@nickiemcnichols5397 because the car has 2 modes of transportation gas and electric and cost more to repair.
I don’t have claims nor moving violations and live in a very safe zip code and almost perfect credit. The car was a ford Cmax
I had that car for 5 years and it had only 35,000 miles on it
So please tell me what hybrids cost more to insure
Underwriter here- all things being equal a hybrid costs less to insure.
@@johngorecki930 if you say so
I know other wise
There are two power trains to replace and batteries.
Show me how it’s cheaper to insure
More expensive vehicles cost more to insure. I don't think it has anything to do with hybrid vs non-hybrid. With most manufacturers, hybrids don't come in base model trims. Toyota is the exception.
Misleading title
We own a 2021 Hybrid Venza. Drove to Washington State from California when it only had 1500 miles. We averaged 48 mpg on the trip. We now have 17,500 miles and still get 42.3 mpg around town. We do wish we had more front seat travel. I change oil every 4000 miles 0W-16.
We have a 21 Rav4 Hybrid. During the warmer months in NC, we get better milage, 42MPG, than winter months 40MPG. The reason I think is because we use the heated seats, heated steering wheel, and the cabin heat.
I calculated that buying an hybrid was not profitable enough to compensate the difference of prices, as I don't use it intensively, but I chose it because it's an automatic, and fun to drive.
The Yaris is a great car, I appreciate the sensations, but next, I'll buy a 100% electric.
For silence. As soon as I can find something affordable which doesn't weigh two tons.
Electric car can burn by itself, search how many people dead in electricity car. Electricity car noise actually bother me than ICE engine.
I've owned three hybids and they are less expensive to maintain than any ICE car I've owned!
Until your battery no longer holds an adequate charge and needs cell replacements or the hole battery replaced. If you don't keep your cars beyond the 8 year / ?? miles Toyota battery warranty then I agree with you.
@@jsfbay1 My Prius is 10 years old and still working great. Other than routine maintenance replaced the 12 volt battery and tires. I wouldn't call it a great car but it did exceed the expectations I had when I first got it.
I’ll stay with SK’s advice and go with a gas Toyota. They are cheaper to run long term.
@@frederickclause2694 how long the 12 volt battery lasted ?
@@efraimlavi4030 The original had a cell go bad after about 1.5 years. No issues since. It isn't a normal lead acid battery. I forget the technical aspects of the 12 volt battery.
From California. I have a 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid (Silver Sky Metallic) and recently bought a 2023 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid SE (Cavalry Blue). Both of them are assembled in Japan and the build quality is really good. Only thing I'll say is I do run them in Eco mode and always use premium fuel 91 octane gas. It's strains the engine less, runs quieter, smoother and still has enough juice on Eco mode when using 91 octane gas. In the summer my fuel economy is about 35 in the city and 44 on the highway with the AC running. Supposed to get better in the city but I get better MPG on the highway since I tend to drive a little fast in stop and go city driving. 😇
Good honest video that lays it on the line. usually hard to find.
Excellent podcast. Thank you. Subscribed.
Yessss
My 2007 Highlander Hybrid has 210k and going strong. So far no issues.
Thank you
Thanks for the video. I have a Subaru and it's not hybrid but it seems they are always looking at the calibers and stripping the brakes apart. It is not even a wrx. Is this the case with the hybrid? Can you say if the Cablegate issue has been resolved. I know they have extended the warranty time for some ,but has it been resolved in the 2023 model?
Good info! Question: Where do you factor in the cost for recharging and replacement of the batteries?
There is no recharging.
Toyota hybrids have a 150k mile, 10 year warranty on hybrid battery. Look at the couriers and taxi companies, etc. LOTS of examples with 300k+ miles, original battery.
The hybrid transmission is EXTREMELY reliable, much more reliable than a regular automatic transmission or regular cvt transmission. That's because it is super simple.
Gasoline engines in hybrids are the same, except they don't work as hard.
Also note that Toyota has been perfecting hybrids for nearly 25 years!
Now, the routine maintenance is almost identical to the gasoline version. The only things you need to add is clean/change the battery air filter (super easy for non-mechanics to do), and when you require an engine coolant change, you also change the inventor coolant (easy). Toyota hybrids have no starter, no alternator, no belts, and the brakes last about 2.5 times longer than gasoline cars. And, if the battery does need changed, it is around $4k at the dealer. If that's too much, then an aftermarket battery for a Toyota is around $1,700. And, they are getting cheaper every year. Don't forget the huge fuel savings with Toyota's hybrids. Any other questions, please let me know. I don't own one, but will buy one in the future. I've driven a Highlander Hybrid for a 450 mile trip, and absolutely loved it compared to the V6 Highlander we own. At least 11 mpg more than our V6, and the hybrid acceleration was good. Now, if you don't drive much (less than 8k miles a year), it would be better to get the gasoline only version.
Hybrid is the way to go. I drive a Camry hybrid LE and average after 3 years 55 mpg with conservative driving. Warranty on the battery is 10 years 150K miles. I am not even sure if I am going to keep the car that long. Power is ample and the car is quiet. It's not a race car, but for commuting it's perfect. 600 miles on a tank is plenty. I wouldn't want to go back to regular ICE.
Another ownership cost consideration is insurance. Hybrids, then PHEVs, and EVs escalate in cost to insure over a standard gas engine (ICE). A RAV4 is less to insure than the Hybrid version, the Hybrid version is less to insure than the RAV4 Prime (PHEV).
It costs 45 dollars a month for my hybrid escape full coverage, not more than other like vehicles.
As an insurance agent for 20 years I can confirm this is 100% incorrect. In fact, many Carriers offer a discount for hybrids.
Thank you for posting this helpful video
It’s not just Canada. In Minnesota there are often straks of 40, 50 even 60 straight days where it never gets above 0 degrees F and even longer streams where it never gets above freezing. At what temp will performance degrade?
I was an early adopter and bought a 2007 Camry Hybrid. Living in Indiana, a lot of people thought I was nuts. But it was a super comfortable and quiet car with very low maintenance costs and I drove it to over 200k before it got totalled by a hail storm. For a change I now have a 2018 Honda non-hybrid Accord Touring and the road noise is awful.
I have a 2005 Honda Pilot and it's road noise isolation is awful. I thought by 2018 they'd have fixed it. I wonder if you have to go to an Acura for a quiet Honda.. I drove a 2022 Forester and it was much quieter than our Honda.
@@davidanderson8469Honda is notorious for road noise.
did you replace the hybrid battery?
@@MoneySavingVideos no the traction battery never had a problem. Also the 12 volt AGM battery never needed replaced either!
@@kevinbond1889 thanks. I have not replaced brakes either!
The basic answer is under 10 years of age, Hybrid maintenance cost is similar or a little less. Hybrids over 10 years old, you run the risk of very high maintenance and repair costs compared to a regular vehicle (batteries, motor generators & electronics).
Thanks, I love our RAV4 Hybrid and RAV4 prime. However, when new I change the oil much sooner than the first recommended. On the Prime we collected the first oil change and a metallic looking layer was obvious on the surface. The manual also states certain conditions (short trips to the store especially) may require a different schedule for longevity.
Changed my wife’s 2024 Lexus NX350h at 1k miles, then just did the 5k miles change yesterday. From now on it is 5k miles OCI. Same routine I did on my 2017 ES350 and my son’s 08 RX350.
My wife's car is an '18 RAV4 hybrid XLE from new. Great car. One thing I recommend is that Baxter Automotive makes an American made high quality (Acft aluminum) conversion that removes the dumb Toyota oil filter cartridge and replaces it so a regular oil filter cannister (they give you a Wix no.) just screws on. Easy installation. A little pricey at about 250 dollars but worth every penny. Will work on any Toyota with that oil filter paper cartridge. Finally, you made an excellent case not to buy an EV and buy a hybrid.
so nothing "SHOCKING" as the clickbait title says?? 🤦♂️
What is the cost factor if you plan to keep a hybrid for about 12 years or more? I assume you have to dispose of original batteries and replace w/new batteries? Wouldn't that be a significant cost to consider?
No my 09 still has the original hybrid battery at 400000 km..
And a good by directional code reader can see into the hybrid system and see issues if any...
hybrid battery can cost around 3000, around every 10 years. the warranty lasts 8, and its not uncommon for them to be good for as long as 15
Toyota hybrids have a 150k mile, 10 year warranty on hybrid battery. Look at the couriers and taxi companies, etc. LOTS of examples with 300k+ miles, original battery.
The hybrid transmission is EXTREMELY reliable, much more reliable than a regular automatic transmission or regular cvt transmission. That's because it is super simple.
Gasoline engines in hybrids are the same, except they don't work as hard.
Also note that Toyota has been perfecting hybrids for nearly 25 years!
Now, the routine maintenance is almost identical to the gasoline version. The only things you need to add is clean/change the battery air filter (super easy for non-mechanics to do), and when you require an engine coolant change, you also change the inventor coolant (easy). Toyota hybrids have no starter, no alternator, no belts, and the brakes last about 2.5 times longer than gasoline cars. And, if the battery does need changed, it is around $4k at the dealer. If that's too much, then an aftermarket battery for a Toyota is around $1,700. And, they are getting cheaper every year. Don't forget the huge fuel savings with Toyota's hybrids. Any other questions, please let me know. I don't own one, but will buy one in the future. I've driven a Highlander Hybrid for a 450 mile trip, and absolutely loved it compared to the V6 Highlander we own. At least 11 mpg more than our V6, and the hybrid acceleration was good. Now, if you don't drive much (less than 8k miles a year), it would be better to get the gasoline only version.
No mention of the Venza hybrid? I love this car except for the no-knob control panel, but I've adapted to it. I've been leasing it since '21 but I plan on keeping it. Great car!
Just picked up my GH Hybrid Platinum. I went from 16.5 mpg in a Jeep Cherokee to so far 22.2 mpg and I think it will get better. I'm so stoked.
Granted that the hybrid does give a higher mileage, you should have given an approximate estimate of the saving on each model. If the cost is 10% more for the hybrid, does one get an improvement in mileage that is at least 10% or more?
We have a Hybrid Rav4 and a non hybrid RAV4. Th hybrid gets 40mpg the non hybrid get 30mpg. Thats a little over 30% better.
Camry hybrid LE gives 55 mpg with conservative driving. That's vastly more than the non hybrid. If you drive little, it doesn't make sense indeed. If you commute considerable, like me, savings add up
I've had a '23 RAV4 Limited Hybrid ordered for about 6 weeks. I've been working with 2 dealers in west central and central Iowa and have actually turned down 3 new RAV4s because of color & optional packages that I didn't want. Our first choices for color are red, white & magnetic gray, in that order and we prefer the light gray interior. I found out last week that they located one like we want in magnetic gray, that just arrived @ the port from Japan. It should be here sometime next week. Our name is officially on it so unless there's something we don't like about it we've decided we'll take it (unless a red or white on shows up too.) 6 weeks ago we were told by both dealers that it would probably take 12 months for one to show up. and in the last 2 weeks, 4 have come available.
Same situation here in Colo- dealers are so full of BS
I ordered my RAV XLE hybrid in December. I’m picking up my RAV today July 19. I turned down a RAV in May because I didn’t want a gray car. I brought my 2014 Prius V from A1 Toyota in New Hsven, CT as well as the RAV. They didn’t charge me over the MRSP. Great dealership.
I absolutely love my 2022 Toyota Rav 4 hybrid SE in calvary blue 💙💙💙💙💙
Dealer’s and Salesman are taught to miss represent the true facts, do to making the sale at that moment in time.
You guys are lucky to recieve your orders so quickly. Here in Australia the wait times are insane. I ordered a RAV4 Hybrid Edge 23 many months ago. Near $67k in value. Was told a 1 year wait...
Wow! My 2013 Base model Prius has 180,000 miles; I bought it when it had 129,000 out side of TIRES I have changed (ALL) fluids, Front and rear break pads and a top of the line Toyota factory filter a Synthetic oil said to be good for 10,000 miles I believe that 5,000 mile is my maximum mileage having to have been a mechanic for a number of years? I have changed my air and cabin filters and added a filter screen that protects my main battery Fan. If I averaged my gas and mileage fill ups i would say 47-49 mpg would be very close, I keep a log on gas mileage and any and all maintenance, my four tires cost more than all of the rest. I had my main battery diagnosed maybe 4 months ago and every cell was within Toyota's specification.
This is by far the best engineered car I have ever owned with spending the least amount of upkeep maintenance...
Thanks for sharing,olive in Montana and when it -30F I notice the mileage change, I wondered why .
Don't ever follow the dealer's maintenance schedule. They're THIEVES.
It’s a good starting point. Follow it while under warranty. After that do as you wish
I owned a 2022 hybrid Toyota sienna. 1.) I really loved this van until 1. The fuel tank had cracks causing a cap leak that took forever to be found. 2. I was driving one evening and I have never seen so many lights go off flashing stop in half mile. It totally stopped!!! The sending unit fell apart. I am sick of hybrids. I also think people that are of lower socioeconomic they will never afford another used car a d to replace a battery 5-7 k this idea of total electric is nuts. Plus our electric grid cannot afford this deal with all electric vehicles being charged
You realize this was mainly about hybrids? Not total EVs? Non plug in do not take a watt from the grid. (Unless engine battery runs dead). ;) gas tank cracked? If full EV no gas tank? ;). Lights? I just had rear brake sensor fail. Christmas in July. Brake, trac control, ABS, service soon, couple others. $400
yeps you hit the nail right on the head
Great presentation, esp. in comparing hybrid vs non-hybrid.
We will be keeping our 2018 non hybrid RAV4 for a very long time. Still rides like it is brand new.
Suppose you don't drive much. I drive about 5 miles, once or twice a week. I've heard that hybrids break down much when they are not used often, that the battery goes bad when it's not used much. Is that true?
So you drive less than 500 miles a year? I'd own the cheapest used beater upper i could find. No reason to "invest" any significant amount of money into something I'm rarely going to use .
I think in your case a hybrid would not be the best choice. Just like in my case a full EV would be a bad choice. All hybrids are more than ICE model. 300 miles a year you will NEVER make up the difference. Plus most realize the more electric stuff, the more failure after couple of decades. There are 1970 cars on road that are basically factory plus maintenance. Driver who put on 5k a year. I doubt a hybrid will go +40 years even low miles without serious parts, battery replacement. In your case I would find an estate car. +4 years old, dealership every year for oil change, under 15k miles. Every 15 years put on new tires. (If you store in garage, in decent state). My CO car, outside needs new tires every 10 years due to rot concerns. Mn 20 years in garage fine.
@@Derek_1111 Yep but on a side note i would buy something you can't help looking back at when you get out because it's so cool an you plan on keeping it till you die . 🙂
you could literally buy a monster truck since you don't drive much.
My daughter owns one and over the last 6 years it's been incredibly cheap to run. Was second hand 3 years old. She owes nothing , it's all hers. It worries me as to what happens next. So far so good.
I have a gen 3 Prius. My Toyota service manager calls it the "Armageddon" car. It has been problem free other than replacing tires and brakes every 50K miles or so. I have averaged 45 mpg for years without even trying. My regular vehicle is a 2022 RAV4 Prime, which is an amazing AWD tank, while the Prius has become a multi-driver vehicle (my kids) and it is surviving their abuse quite well. Highly recommend Toyota hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles. Best cars I have ever owned.
Excellent review thanks !
Great video. I have a 2014 Lexus E300H and it is just an amazing car. I bought it used in 2017 with 40K miles on it and now have just under 150K miles - I easily average about 38-39 MPG per tank and my range is right around 550 miles on a full tank. Toyota's hybrid system is just amazing and I recommend this car to anyone who will listen. As a side benefit, because of the regenerative braking, I still have the original brake pads on the car - the dealer told me most 300H cars don't need a brake job until 200K :)
Wow!
I have a 2022 es300h and during summers i am averaging 45mpg around 40 in cold winter driving
REALITY CHECK: if you plan to keep your toyota for a long time and drive a lot. After the warranty any hybrid battery and system is expensive to fix and complex. Most shops won’t even try to fix it, dealers charge more and parts availability is short etc;)
There are repair videos on youtube how to fix it. I would say it is easier then a timing belt change
@@JD-yx7be many variables but so far evs, hybrids are way too complicated and too expensive. Batteries alone on many cars go beyond the price of the vehicle itself:(
Thanks for your very informative video. I was wondering if I am buying second hand Toyota hybrids, are they easily maintainable by a regular mechanic and does the battery last a very long time? I hear that regular mechanics struggle to fix a hybrid vehicle and that the battery doesn’t last more than three or four years of regular usage
Toyota hybrids have a 150k mile, 10 year warranty on hybrid battery. Look at the couriers and taxi companies, etc. LOTS of examples with 300k+ miles, original battery.
The hybrid transmission is EXTREMELY reliable, much more reliable than a regular automatic transmission or regular cvt transmission. That's because it is super simple.
Gasoline engines in hybrids are the same, except they don't work as hard.
Also note that Toyota has been perfecting hybrids for nearly 25 years!
Now, the routine maintenance is almost identical to the gasoline version. The only things you need to add is clean/change the battery air filter (super easy for non-mechanics to do), and when you require an engine coolant change, you also change the inventor coolant (easy). Toyota hybrids have no starter, no alternator, no belts, and the brakes last about 2.5 times longer than gasoline cars. And, if the battery does need changed, it is around $4k at the dealer. If that's too much, then an aftermarket battery for a Toyota is around $1,700. And, they are getting cheaper every year. Don't forget the huge fuel savings with Toyota's hybrids. Any other questions, please let me know. I don't own one, but will buy one in the future. I've driven a Highlander Hybrid for a 450 mile trip, and absolutely loved it compared to the V6 Highlander we own. At least 11 mpg more than our V6, and the hybrid acceleration was good. Now, if you don't drive much (less than 8k miles a year), it would be better to get the gasoline only version.
@@marklintwo Thank you very much for answering my questions in full detail
We own a Lexus RX450h a2010 model bought used in 2016. My wife drives it every day with zero problems till now apart from normal maintenance. Very good SUV
If you commute thru the 401 from Scarborough to the airport and back in bumper to bumper traffic, believe me hybrid is the best way,especially Toyota's cause is well engineered machine.
:)
Surprised you didn’t mention the reduction of brake pad wear.
I do mention that in my other video.
Good point. I have a Lexus NX300h with just under 100k miles on it. I asked my mechanic to check the brake pads and he said they looked virtually new.
My Lexus UX250h (P711 transmission) does 53 MPG (on 95 octane E10) without trying.
Hybrid takes start-stop to whole new level! Every time you lift off the engine stops.
I traded in a KIA Picanto 1.2 auto with 32,000 miles and 6 years with zero faults. 32 MPG!
There is another reason one may not want a hybrid. Eventually the hybrid battery will have to be replaced. And right now it’s about 5 thousand bucks!
So where's the shocking high cost of maintenance in Hybrids?
If you watch the highly experienced Toyota/Lexus specialist on The Care Care Nut channel,you will see on his forensic teardowns of these hybrid engines that they have head gasket issues and problems with the EGR valve carboning up.There also is extensive wear on the petrol engines at high mileages due he surmises to the repeated stop start cycles required in the hybrid set up.This leads to heavy oil consumption and blow by into the crankcase thereby carboning up the EGR valve.He filmed the EGR replacement which was a major job due to the amount of parts in the way.The plastic inlet manifold also needs replacing as it carbons up badly and is virtually impossible to clean properly.Also in some models a software upgrade is necessary in order to avoid re carbonizing of the new EGR valve.I personally would never buy a hybrid vehicle after watching that video.
That was our experience . I'm shocked by all the positive reviews.
what car, I bet it's a 3rd gen Prius@@filmvi37
Hybrid Highlander Very expensive to repair. We just went back to the basic 4 runner.@@NethirOsman
@@filmvi37 true my apologies and sound like it sucked big time
But somehow. Somehow, Toyota hybrids are seen as extremely reliable and people regularly take them to very high mileages, but internet expert knows better.
The only worry I have with Hybrids (and EVs) is the cost to replace the batteries. Do the dealers offer EXTRA warranty on the battery itself on top of the overall mechanical warranty?
Which engine is in the RAV4 non-hybrid, and which engine is in the Hybrid? And what is the difference between these two engines?
It's interesting to note that there don't appear to be any comments mentioning the actual cost paid to continue to use as much gasoline/hydrocarbon fuel as we do. If we had begun the quest to reduce our usage years ago, imagine if we had all contributed to , say, 20-25% , less burned carbon emissions from our vehicles over the last 20 years. Slowing down climate change and all the costs we pay that are not paid at the gas pump but in lower air quality, higher tides, nasty weather anomalies and so forth would have been the result. These are costs that should be included in the "operating cost" of ICE vehicles that would also be reduced significantly if we all switched to hybrids and, perhaps ultimately, to other fuels like electricity, hydrogen, solar and similar. It really is time to pay attention to those costs as well.
I leave a Camry "up north" every winter up to 7 months at a time unused for the duration. I am suspicious about leaving any hybrid that long.
I'm on to my 2nd hybrid. First one was a Prius.Currently driving a corolla hybrid. Sold the Prius with 220km on the clock. The Prius ran very smoothly and never had any issues. Corolla hybrid also issue free to date.
I have a 2013 Prius V and it’s Never been in for a repair.Only regular maintenance oil change every 8k filters etc.I finally did a brake job at 274K klms. I now have 302K klms on it and so far never had to have it in the shop for anything going wrong.
The combined mpg rating for a rav4 is 35 mpg for a standard and 38 mpg for a hybrid. The base price of a hybrid is $3000 more. At 20,000 miles per year the hybrid will use 50 gallons less of gasoline. At $4 per gallon that is a massive savings of $200 per year so it only takes 15 years before you actually start saving money on fuel. Awesome 😂
You did a better job discussing the topic than this guy. Thanks 😊
Something missing in your math! Rating is for constant freeway mile at 35mpg, not jamming not city driving ect.. so 30 is average for a none hybrid.
ETA 2026?
Currently used hybrids in south africa are same price as petrol vehicles
Great! That's right about the time you will need a battery replacement.
When it speaks to tightening the "propeller shaft bolts" are they talking about the drive shaft?Also, do the brakes on Toyota Hybrids last longer than non hybrid models. I would think with regenerative braking the vehicle would slow down on it's own even without applying the brakes.
All correct points yes
I just took delivery on my Ford maverick xlt hybrid and in 3 weeks I am averaging 50.3 m p g it’s amazing my driving has been between 45 mph and 55 mph .
We have two hybrid Toyotas and couldn't be more happy.
Still boggles my mind that Toyota bothers to put a vvt + dual injection engines on the base Corolla hybrids (1.8L and 2.0L). Maximizing efficiency, and still one of the most reliable engines around. Glad they haven't cheapen their engines and gone with a 3-cylinder turbo.
re Cable Gate - a very serious concern. I have a Rav hybrid 2021 and as Ryan stated , the Toyota outragious fix cost is $6K!! It is essentially not covered by warranty and there are outstanding class action suits in USA and Cda as there should be. I asked my dealer, Newmarket T, to check the cable and got the most insulting reply = We will Not check it and essentially dont bother us Until the dash warning lite comes on ie when it is Tooooo Late ?!! My First and definitely the last Toyota - i think they have changed their corp strategy to be more in line with the usual crap manufacturers . I would have kept it for 10 yr but will now dump it in 2 yr - Tesla ?
Have fun taking a long road trip in a Tesla! They are also not very reliable!
Do some preventative measures, such as spraying CRC corrosion inhibitor once the dealer replaces the cable under warranty or after getting the new car (not your case here). Lots of DIY info floating around.
Bought a CT200h with 60K (km’s) on it. Five years later with a little over 160K, I’m keeping it until the car falls apart. Until now, it never let me down.
2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid. 370 k. Oil air filter tires. 1 brake job thats it. It's saved me $$ so far.