I have a third gen Prius with 200K miles and it is by far the most reliable car I've ever had. I did replace the hybrid battery at 190k for $1600 and have a life warranty on it now. Everything else just perfect, unlike the Mercedes and Audi I also had, they constantly had something breaking down. Lexus and Toyota are simply the best overall cars.
I have a 07 Prius and 15 hybrid Avalon, very dependable and not costly to maintain. About 2 years ago replaced hybrid battery and regular battery for about $2,500.00, but that is less than it was a few years ago. I love both my hybrids !❤
I still own a Ford Escape Hybrid for 15 years, which uses the Toyota Hybrid system. I have never had any trouble with it and continues to run just fine. I love it.
I live in Calgary, Canada and I received a 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid LXE in May 2022. Fuel efficiency is very good. In warmer months I can get up to 1,000km per 55L tank of gas. In the winter, the fuel efficiency is closer to 700km to 750km or so per tank. The main reason is that the gasoline engine starts up immediately in cold temperatures to warm up the vehicle. When temps are -10C or warmer the engine will warm up after about 10 min and the battery will start to kick in close to the same as normal. When temps are colder than -10C that is when the gasoline engine is working almost all the time and the battery is not working that much. Fuel mileage drops noticeably in colder months as a result, but not enough to offset the overall improvement in fuel efficiency of year-round ownership compared to a non-hybrid model.
Something not mentioned; brake wear is significantly less for a hybrid car. I have 70,000 miles on my RAV4 hybrid with 50% remaining on the brakes, approximately. Love the torque and instant acceleration when merging on the highway - no delay caused by downshifting transmission on a standard car.
you need to grease and clean them since they are not used as much. We have a Prius AWDe and a 2021 RAV LE hybrid and we have them checked every fall and spring. We live in the countryside with hardly any stops on the way to the city (30km distance) . Our mechanic recommends that when you come to a stop to brake a bit later and harder just to keep them from rusting.
Keeping the screen or replaceable battery fan intake filter is key to having the batteries remain cool and lasting longer. Don't wait for the overheat code. The sensors are located on the last batteries to heat up.
I have been driving a lot of cars in the past few decades. Frankly, the best car I’ve ever processed is a Toyota Prius. Never before have I experienced a car that never ever have any issues for hundreds of thousands of kilometres. Just driving and regular maintenance of course. In terms of fuel conskumption I can say: in the first 400,000 km, I have saved as much money as the car cost when I bought it preowned. After 400,000 km, I gave it to my daughter. She will drive it for another few hundreds of thousand km. This car is a gem! Of course , my next car is another Toyota Prius. Why should I buy any other car, when I can get the best car in the world?
As always, "religious" maintenance is the key. My 2008 Toyota Prius lasted for 16 years (I bought it in 2007...) and I let it go when it reached about 390,000 miles. If it was not for the "coolant leak" diagnosed I would still had it. At first when I was going to buy it, many car dealers tried to discourage me, argumenting that the price was more than that for a similar size non-hybrid car. I do not regret a single minute having bought that Prius.
My 09 Camry Hybrid has 400000 km last Friday and from what I know it's the original hybrid battery and next to no repair just oil changes at 7500 km...
I own a 2019 Avalon Limited which now has 55K on the odometer. The car has an average mpg of 47.7 shown on the onboard data collection system. This car is without doubt the finest automobile I have ever owned. I am now 85 and have owned many cars. Most likely Toyota's other hybrids are similar to mine in quality. If you drive any distance hybrid is the way to go.
Your MPGs are probably higher then what your gage says. I did the math on my Camry Hybrid xle and it gets 52mpgs. The gage and the car specs had a lower mpgs.
My 2021 Avalon Hybrid XLE gets 35 mpg, but I mainly drive short distances around town and deal with many hills, otherwise I'd probably get 40mpg. My 2003 Tahoe, which I purchased new and drove for 20 years gets 14mpg (great vehicle BTW), so I'm thrilled with 35mpg! I LOVE my Avalon!! It is so smooth and fun to drive, luxurious and spacious, nice moonroof, great sound system. I usually drive in Standard mode, but Sport mode kicks it up into another level of power, quickness, and fun. I plan on driving this for my next 20 years ❤
I have a 2012 Prius V. I just had my annual maintenance...235.00 CDN. For me, using the Hybrid Assist app made all the difference, changed how I drive, lowered engine stress and I can monitor everything. I will never go back to a non-hybrid car again, I just got so used to how simple it all is. I always say to my wife, it feels less like a car and more like a transportation appliance.
The "shock" is that the more technically complex car, the hybrid, needs less maintenance. Any quick scan of Consumer Reports will show that; in almost every case the hybrid is a full grade better on reliability, regardless of the brand. Channel that fact into clickbait and you get the title of this video.
I find it interesting that no one seems to take into account that tires wear down faster and need to be replaced every 15000 in average. That's because the vehicle is heavier (battery) and faster acceleration on top of that.
I currently the owner of a 22 year old Toyota Prius....IT has been the best car I have ever owed. I'm 86 years old and have owned a few cars, none As good as this car.. It has 239,000 miles, and is on it third battery. It looks as good as new, always great service from my Toyota dealer. The car looks As good as the day it was bought. The car has a always been garaged, or car covered . Thank Toyota for building a great car. ELMER BARBER.......VENTURA, CA A
@@lesliechiu1437Being 86 is not a cause by itself not to drive. FJ Biden is not like he is because he's old, but because he suffers from late stage Alheimer's syndrome
Just picked up my Highlander hybrid platinum last Saturday and I love it! Had to fly to Charleston 😊West Virginia to get a good deal at Moses Toyota. Alex was my salesman. I live in Tennessee.
Congrats. I too just bought hybrid highlander xle bronze addition. I’ve had it for 2 weeks now and just love it. 2022 model with 15k miles. Going to schedule appointment with dealer for service. Would you believe my insurance is cheaper on this car than my old 89 Pathfinder. Hope body doesn’t rust like Nissan here in N.Y.
I drive 2015 Prius V and absolutely love it. The shock for me was only having to refuel after 3 weeks of driving vs once a week compared to my normal ICE vehicle.
My husband started taking my hybrid to work after gas prices started spiking once Americans returned to work post-2020. He refuels every 3 weeks instead of weekly also and his regular car is a very fuel efficient Honda.
@chodkowski01 diminishing amount over time. Was a $3000 "Premium" for me. Payback took 3.5 years. Im in Year 9 of ownership. They're only worth the premium if you hold onto your vehicle. If you're changing vehicles every 5 years or less, they don't make sense.
Wow! My 2013 Base model Prius has 180,000 miles; I bought it when it had 129,000 out side of TIRES I have changed (ALL) fluids, Front and rear break pads and a top of the line Toyota factory filter a Synthetic oil said to be good for 10,000 miles I believe that 5,000 mile is my maximum mileage having to have been a mechanic for a number of years? I have changed my air and cabin filters and added a filter screen that protects my main battery Fan. If I averaged my gas and mileage fill ups i would say 47-49 mpg would be very close, I keep a log on gas mileage and any and all maintenance, my four tires cost more than all of the rest. I had my main battery diagnosed maybe 4 months ago and every cell was within Toyota's specification. This is by far the best engineered car I have ever owned with spending the least amount of upkeep maintenance...
You have to do the math. Unless you drive a lot, it'll take several years before the fuel savings pay you back for the extra cost of the vehicle. For example, driving a RAV4 hybrid 15,000 miles a year will save you about 125 gallons. Even at $4 a gallon, that's a savings of $600 a year. But the hybrid costs about $3,000 more. That's five years to break even. Depending on how you drive, where you drive, how much you drive, and which vehicle you chose, the payoff time will vary wildly.
Actually, if you are buying an AWD, then the hybrid is only ~$1600 more because it is included whereas it is extra on the non-hybrid. Also, several studies now have shown that the average maintenance cost of a hybrid is now lower than it is for non-hybrids. And a 5 year payoff is still pretty good - especially considering that resale values for
Hi, I'm from the UK and drive,from new, a 2019 rav hybrid. I placed an order for a rav4 phev (prime) in April 2022. Have just been told by my dealer that they should be starting to build the vehicle within the next two weeks. With shipping etc they expect the rav to be at the dealership by end of August. That's 16 months from order. At the moment Toyota uk do a service plan and I pay £27 a month to maintain services. We have a service A and a sevice B alternate years which ensures best running. Also Toyota UK provide a years warranty after each service for up to 10 years or 100k providing the vehicle is serviced by Toyota. Happy motoring guys😊.
I have a 2019 RAV4 Hybrid with 40K miles. Hybrid model cost $900 more than non-hybrid. The fuel savings with the better mpg for the hybrid model paid back the $900 by 18K miles. I typically get around 40 mpg, and love to take the RAV4 on logging roads in the forests (Trail mode, 8" ground clearance).
I had a 2014 Prius with 300K miles on it & still sold it for $5k. I never changed the batteries. Maintenance was done by Toyota Longo here in SoCal (it’s the best & biggest dealership in the USofA). A very reliable car indeed, nothing can compare with a Toyota when it comes to durability & resale value. Then got a 2019 Prius XLE & have 60 miles now & its still great. Very economical too. I’ll NEVER change this for an EV!
EVs are for the virtue signalling crowd - hybrids are the optimal overall best way to go given current technology. From total life time perspective the hybrid has time carbon foir print, far less requirenpment for exotic raw materials (which are proving to be very environmentalky threatening as demand scales up), better mpg than an ICE and better overall affordability. They are much more affordable than EVs (even with the govt incentive b.s.), don't suffer range anxiety issues, and the plug-in variety just sweetens the deal further. My next vehichle is definitely going to be a hybrid and most definitely NOT an EV
It is not just hybrid vehicles. The dealer wanted $800 to change the lube in the differentials and transfer case on my Jeep wrangler. Got it done for $178 at a lube place.
The hybrid replacement battery pack for a Toyota RAV4 costs anywhere from $2,000 to $6,000. However, the final sum depends on whether you get a new, used, or recycled battery, and it's possible to replace it for $1,500-$3,500.
@@SolidSL510 The point is, there will come a day when the battery, just like any other battery, will no longer hold an adequate charge and will have to be replaced. If you're someone who doesn't keep your vehicle for more than a few years, then this doesn't apply. If you're like me and keep your cars for 10-20 years, now you have to calculate whether you think you'll save enough money in fuel to pay for a battery pack repair/replacement.
@@jsfbay1 Also, if you do keep your hybrid for only a few years, you should expect a lower trade-in value since potential buyers will balk at buying a used hybrid due to the possibility of a huge battery replacement expense. I was told to expect 15% or more less value over the gas version. Besides, if this EV push by the US government takes hold, and bans gas engines at some point, then the demand for gas engine vehicles on the used market will be very high...and trade in values will skyrocket. Just things to keep in mind.
@@williamwood1776, The data that is available shows that hybrid batteries are very reliable. There are many older Hybrids out there that have the original battery, especially Toyota's! There are still generation 1 and 2 Priuses out there with the original battery in twitch more than 300,000 miles on it. There is someone here who drives a generation 1 Prius sedan. I recently got a new Toyota Hybrid to replace my 2012 Camry Hybrid, and the hybrid battery is still in excellent shape. The only battery problems that any car has is the 12V battery, which on regular gasoline cars has to be replaced every 5 years. The 12V for hybrids lasts between 80,000 and 100,000 miles. Yes, hybrid batteries are expensive to replace, but you are putting out a lot of false information out there, Toyota dealers are wanting hybrid trade-ins , because they are selling very fast. almost as soon as they hit the lot.
Used Rav4 hybrids sell at a premium. I bought a 2019 Rav4 Limited in 2020. It only had 26 miles on it. KBB trade in is only $1000 less than I paid for it.
I bought toyota hybrids because of #1 reason - to save gas. I can also save gas using CVT based (belts). But @150-200k miles the batteries or belt-CVT will prob be replaced. I chose the Hybrid eCVT (planetary) due to its reliability. Batteries are easier to replace than Belt CVT. Furthermore, Hybrids have no alternators, starters, serpentine belts, tensioners, pulleys unlike the non-hybrids. So all the energy saved and makes for a simpler engine.
Got my rav4 xse hybrid this weekend, 8 miles when I got it. After dealing with 5 different dealerships with ridiculous markups, found one reasonably priced and arrived a week earlier than ETA we were advised. I love it so far, it looks bad ass and runs really great!
@@normanwells2755 i havent even started shopping around for one and already looking at maintenance videos lol It's so hard to make a decision on a good car
@@WilsonB-rc7wk You are going to pay a lot more for hybrid.... msrp is a joke... and keep in mind that you may not going to get the car even if you put deposit for it. Dealer will sale it to someone else if they find a better price. Therefore don't bother to low ball them. They will keep you on the hook just in case if they could not find a better buyer.
@@sn3495 This is just not true, when I ordered my Lexus 450 LxH, I specialized everything that I wanted on it, even the color of the seats! When it came in people offered to buy it for $3,500.00 more dollars! The Dealership keep me informed, yes I had to wait do to the things that I stipulated I wanted, and that’s how it came. I was told that Lexus would no longer let people request the exterior color, with the color seats I wanted. Usually there White Pearl 450 H COMES WITH BLACK INTERIOR was what I was told .
I have done own maintenance since dealership maintenance timed out. 2018 Camry hybrid, currently 52,000 miles, drive 500 miles on a tank of gas and refill with about 11.3 American gallons on average. Zero problems so far, total maintenance costs (excluding tires) equals price of oil and filters. Love my hybrid.
Suppose you don't drive much. I drive about 5 miles, once or twice a week. I've heard that hybrids break down much when they are not used often, that the battery goes bad when it's not used much. Is that true?
So you drive less than 500 miles a year? I'd own the cheapest used beater upper i could find. No reason to "invest" any significant amount of money into something I'm rarely going to use .
I think in your case a hybrid would not be the best choice. Just like in my case a full EV would be a bad choice. All hybrids are more than ICE model. 300 miles a year you will NEVER make up the difference. Plus most realize the more electric stuff, the more failure after couple of decades. There are 1970 cars on road that are basically factory plus maintenance. Driver who put on 5k a year. I doubt a hybrid will go +40 years even low miles without serious parts, battery replacement. In your case I would find an estate car. +4 years old, dealership every year for oil change, under 15k miles. Every 15 years put on new tires. (If you store in garage, in decent state). My CO car, outside needs new tires every 10 years due to rot concerns. Mn 20 years in garage fine.
@@Derek_1111 Yep but on a side note i would buy something you can't help looking back at when you get out because it's so cool an you plan on keeping it till you die . 🙂
I have a gen 3 Prius with just over two hundred thousand miles. I commute 73 miles one way, and it had been great. The only non scheduled maintenance was a water pump around 150000. I replaced it myself for around $150. Can’t beat it for the mission.
About $6,000 was added to the MSRP (in various paint protection schemes, oil changes, rotations, and $450 floor mats to name some add of the add ons) on my 2023 Rav4 Limited Hybrid. It's a "do you want it or not" scam they can do because hybrids are in very short supply. They play that up. But it's a great vehicle. One of the nicest vehicles to drive ever made. It's fantastic. One caveat. I noticed 6 subscription services right away, and there may be more. The Toyota app apparently stinks, according to reviews. They made such a great vehicle, but their consumer software stinks. The app exists to sell subscription services.
Going on 4 months now 1800 miles with my 23 Venza Limited. I don’t drive a lot but love hybrids. My gas range is finally increasing to over 500 miles of range at 44mpg. I do not like the whinny engine when you need to get up a hill.. however great car for the value.. just needs a sunroof 😅.. Thanks for your thoughts!
My 2021 has the pano sunroof. I read one comment where the owner had an estimate of $ 6000 for a replacement. I use mine exclusively in sport mode. 38 to 44 mpg. In eco mode, I got 55 mpg but not much fun in that mode.
Great info! The Hybrids are proven tanks thanks to their large planetary gear sets. The current generation already has data points of people putting 400,000 miles on them. Not having to worry about starters and alternators is nice we well. Rav4s are super DIY maintenance friendly too. Hybrid fan filter, inverter coolant, rear differential (transaxle) fluid are all doable with very simple tools. Same for oil change and trans fluid. I opted for the hybrid for a better driving experience and economy as a long term (150k+ mile) vehicle.
Hybrids stll have starters and altenators. If you didn't replace them as sooner as thr older ICE cars you have owned, all it confirms is they can make them better. Also replacing alternators and starters are nothing really for the basic mechanic.
@@crxdelsolsir this is not true. Rav4 hybrids do not have a starter or an alternator. The traction battery is what starts the vehicle. This is also partially why you see such a small 12v battery in the hybrids. The inverter functions similarly to that of an alternator, but there is not an alternator in the hybrids.
I had a hybrid and the cost of insurance was about 25% higher the non-hybrid and the sAvings on gas was not enough to cover the cost of the insurance and I have a clean driving record and great credit
@@nickiemcnichols5397 because the car has 2 modes of transportation gas and electric and cost more to repair. I don’t have claims nor moving violations and live in a very safe zip code and almost perfect credit. The car was a ford Cmax I had that car for 5 years and it had only 35,000 miles on it So please tell me what hybrids cost more to insure
More expensive vehicles cost more to insure. I don't think it has anything to do with hybrid vs non-hybrid. With most manufacturers, hybrids don't come in base model trims. Toyota is the exception.
I have 2024 Toyota Crown and it is the best car I have ever owned. It is the 2.5 4-cylinder (no turbo. don't need it) It is the XLE and it suits me just fine. I recently took it on a 2000 kilometer (1200 miles) and got 40mpg. No mechanical issues, just a smooth driving ride.
@@blakespower hogwash. I’m not rich. Far cry from it. I had a job for 20+ years that paid me decently as a retirement I invested in the Toyota crown. I worked real hard and I earned it. I did not depend on handouts or people giving me money. I’m old-school and if you want to get to the top you earn your way. It ain’t got nothing to do with being rich. Have a nice day.
Two maintenance items that will kill a Toyota Hybrid vehicle prematurely are s follows: Not changing the motor oil every 5K miles. Not changing the battery fan cooling filter as scheduled and/ or inadvertently covering up the cooling fan vents and thus overheating the battery pack.
It’s not just Canada. In Minnesota there are often straks of 40, 50 even 60 straight days where it never gets above 0 degrees F and even longer streams where it never gets above freezing. At what temp will performance degrade?
Hybrid is the best last time I went to Niagara fall on QEW traffic bumper to bumper my 2022 venza hybrid limited my venza hybrid running only with electric time to time the gas engine turn on to the battery I really love the hybrid thanks for your video take care bye from milton Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
re Cable Gate - a very serious concern. I have a Rav hybrid 2021 and as Ryan stated , the Toyota outragious fix cost is $6K!! It is essentially not covered by warranty and there are outstanding class action suits in USA and Cda as there should be. I asked my dealer, Newmarket T, to check the cable and got the most insulting reply = We will Not check it and essentially dont bother us Until the dash warning lite comes on ie when it is Tooooo Late ?!! My First and definitely the last Toyota - i think they have changed their corp strategy to be more in line with the usual crap manufacturers . I would have kept it for 10 yr but will now dump it in 2 yr - Tesla ?
Do some preventative measures, such as spraying CRC corrosion inhibitor once the dealer replaces the cable under warranty or after getting the new car (not your case here). Lots of DIY info floating around.
Until your battery no longer holds an adequate charge and needs cell replacements or the hole battery replaced. If you don't keep your cars beyond the 8 year / ?? miles Toyota battery warranty then I agree with you.
@@jsfbay1 My Prius is 10 years old and still working great. Other than routine maintenance replaced the 12 volt battery and tires. I wouldn't call it a great car but it did exceed the expectations I had when I first got it.
@@efraimlavi4030 The original had a cell go bad after about 1.5 years. No issues since. It isn't a normal lead acid battery. I forget the technical aspects of the 12 volt battery.
I was an early adopter and bought a 2007 Camry Hybrid. Living in Indiana, a lot of people thought I was nuts. But it was a super comfortable and quiet car with very low maintenance costs and I drove it to over 200k before it got totalled by a hail storm. For a change I now have a 2018 Honda non-hybrid Accord Touring and the road noise is awful.
I have a 2005 Honda Pilot and it's road noise isolation is awful. I thought by 2018 they'd have fixed it. I wonder if you have to go to an Acura for a quiet Honda.. I drove a 2022 Forester and it was much quieter than our Honda.
I calculated that buying an hybrid was not profitable enough to compensate the difference of prices, as I don't use it intensively, but I chose it because it's an automatic, and fun to drive. The Yaris is a great car, I appreciate the sensations, but next, I'll buy a 100% electric. For silence. As soon as I can find something affordable which doesn't weigh two tons.
Good luck there! EVs are much heavier than ICE equivalents and will remain that way in the foreseeable future. This helps them cut through highway metal protective barriers like they were made out of butter! The extra weight also requires extra distance to come to a stop during emergency braking. Then it is the issue of catching on fire. But even if none of the above happens to you, if you keep your EV beyond the warranty expiration, get ready to pay a shocking amount to replace the battery. This last issue drives the resale value of EVs down to the ground. So, if money and safety are no problem, go for it! There are some channels with good info on EVs out there. Check them out.
@@Fishbonesailing EVs are more efficient, even considering they are heavier. I don't work much as a musician, being retired, so I don't need a big car. And if I travel to Madrid, I'll take the electric... train.
Good video, especially appreciated finally hearing about the experienced reduction in hybrid performance in cold weather. This fact is very seldom mentioned in advertisements and lead people to think gas mileage would be the same in cold weather as warm weather. What was not mentioned are choice of tires making a difference as to their rolling resistance affecting gas mileage. Our Toyota Camry hybrid had Michelin green tires and we experienced 40-50mpg, then switched to regular Michelin tires and went to 35-37mog. So, rolling resistance afforded by the green Michelin made a huge difference.
all batteries under perform in cold weather; this has been since the advent of electric platforms in the early 1900's over ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO! >>>> CLICKBAIT
Are you saying that the hybrid would need special tires to keep the mpg up. Vs. Buying some cheap regular tires would bring the mpg down.? That’s my understanding
@@angelicafigueroa2513 I’m saying that the tires with the lowest rolling resistance will get the better mileage than say a softer tire with possibly a smoother ride. The inference here is a harder tire generally has less rolling resistance than a softer tire. Generally the harder tires have the longest advertised mileage rating and the softer tires wear out faster.
I had a Prius for 7 years, and I really loved it. Maintenance costs were extremely low. By far the biggest cost was what the dealer charged to program the TPMS ever 6 months as they swapped in and out the snow tires. MPG was exactly as advertised (around 49 MPG). During the coldest month of those 7 years (near Boston), fuel efficiency dipped to 42 MPG.
Granted that the hybrid does give a higher mileage, you should have given an approximate estimate of the saving on each model. If the cost is 10% more for the hybrid, does one get an improvement in mileage that is at least 10% or more?
Camry hybrid LE gives 55 mpg with conservative driving. That's vastly more than the non hybrid. If you drive little, it doesn't make sense indeed. If you commute considerable, like me, savings add up
If you pay 10% more for a hybrid, how much or how long does it take to break even with fuel prices? You’re going to save at the pump each time, but you’re also going to pay a higher monthly payment and interest if you finance a higher priced vehicle. You need to look into that as well
a camry hybrid (~50mpg) is $2500 more than the gas version (~35mpg). Also keep in mind fuel prices could go back up to $4+/gal again or if you live in California it is already that much
If you watch the highly experienced Toyota/Lexus specialist on The Care Care Nut channel,you will see on his forensic teardowns of these hybrid engines that they have head gasket issues and problems with the EGR valve carboning up.There also is extensive wear on the petrol engines at high mileages due he surmises to the repeated stop start cycles required in the hybrid set up.This leads to heavy oil consumption and blow by into the crankcase thereby carboning up the EGR valve.He filmed the EGR replacement which was a major job due to the amount of parts in the way.The plastic inlet manifold also needs replacing as it carbons up badly and is virtually impossible to clean properly.Also in some models a software upgrade is necessary in order to avoid re carbonizing of the new EGR valve.I personally would never buy a hybrid vehicle after watching that video.
But somehow. Somehow, Toyota hybrids are seen as extremely reliable and people regularly take them to very high mileages, but internet expert knows better.
The only worry I have with Hybrids (and EVs) is the cost to replace the batteries. Do the dealers offer EXTRA warranty on the battery itself on top of the overall mechanical warranty?
You forgot to mention that hybrids don't have starter motors since the first gear is taken over by the electric motor. They don't have alternators since regenerative braking produces all the electricity the vehicle needs to keep itself charged. Since a lot of the braking is done by regenerative braking, the brake pads can easily last 150k miles. You have to replace them every 25k miles on a regular gas powered vehicle. You should still do an oil change every 5k miles, but that oil won't be as bad since a lot of the work is done by the electric motor when you have a plug in hybrid.
Another ownership cost consideration is insurance. Hybrids, then PHEVs, and EVs escalate in cost to insure over a standard gas engine (ICE). A RAV4 is less to insure than the Hybrid version, the Hybrid version is less to insure than the RAV4 Prime (PHEV).
Hybrid is the way to go. I drive a Camry hybrid LE and average after 3 years 55 mpg with conservative driving. Warranty on the battery is 10 years 150K miles. I am not even sure if I am going to keep the car that long. Power is ample and the car is quiet. It's not a race car, but for commuting it's perfect. 600 miles on a tank is plenty. I wouldn't want to go back to regular ICE.
I have a gen 3 Prius. My Toyota service manager calls it the "Armageddon" car. It has been problem free other than replacing tires and brakes every 50K miles or so. I have averaged 45 mpg for years without even trying. My regular vehicle is a 2022 RAV4 Prime, which is an amazing AWD tank, while the Prius has become a multi-driver vehicle (my kids) and it is surviving their abuse quite well. Highly recommend Toyota hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles. Best cars I have ever owned.
Question for the field.. I am think of buying a Plug in Hybrid in the future. My question is. IF the battery or electric motor fails can I just keep going on the ICE part of the car for as long as I want?
I have a 2021 Venza and the gentleman in the video is correct, the vehicle does all he says and mo re. However Toyota is not acknowledging the high voltage cable problem that exist and therefore customers that live in winter climates may be hit with a 6 to 8 thousand dollar charge on replacing the cable after the three year warranty is over. My hybrid experience will be short lived.
That’s why I just traded in my 2021 Venza Limited. Bought a gas Highlander Limited. In addition to the cable, Stargaze sunroof has problems, with $ 6,000 bill. Trunk closure grinds.
@@paulstein9258 hey Paul, I still have mine, Toyota has acknowledged the cable issue and is going to warranty it up to eight years as you are probably aware. The only issues with mine to date was a rear piston for the tailgate was making noise. I don’t plan keeping it long term we’ll have to see given the cost of them here in Canada. The highlander is a very nice truck, a truck I believe could last you a long time, good luck with it.
My wife's car is an '18 RAV4 hybrid XLE from new. Great car. One thing I recommend is that Baxter Automotive makes an American made high quality (Acft aluminum) conversion that removes the dumb Toyota oil filter cartridge and replaces it so a regular oil filter cannister (they give you a Wix no.) just screws on. Easy installation. A little pricey at about 250 dollars but worth every penny. Will work on any Toyota with that oil filter paper cartridge. Finally, you made an excellent case not to buy an EV and buy a hybrid.
No mention of the Venza hybrid? I love this car except for the no-knob control panel, but I've adapted to it. I've been leasing it since '21 but I plan on keeping it. Great car!
What is the cost factor if you plan to keep a hybrid for about 12 years or more? I assume you have to dispose of original batteries and replace w/new batteries? Wouldn't that be a significant cost to consider?
No my 09 still has the original hybrid battery at 400000 km.. And a good by directional code reader can see into the hybrid system and see issues if any...
Toyota hybrids have a 150k mile, 10 year warranty on hybrid battery. Look at the couriers and taxi companies, etc. LOTS of examples with 300k+ miles, original battery. The hybrid transmission is EXTREMELY reliable, much more reliable than a regular automatic transmission or regular cvt transmission. That's because it is super simple. Gasoline engines in hybrids are the same, except they don't work as hard. Also note that Toyota has been perfecting hybrids for nearly 25 years! Now, the routine maintenance is almost identical to the gasoline version. The only things you need to add is clean/change the battery air filter (super easy for non-mechanics to do), and when you require an engine coolant change, you also change the inventor coolant (easy). Toyota hybrids have no starter, no alternator, no belts, and the brakes last about 2.5 times longer than gasoline cars. And, if the battery does need changed, it is around $4k at the dealer. If that's too much, then an aftermarket battery for a Toyota is around $1,700. And, they are getting cheaper every year. Don't forget the huge fuel savings with Toyota's hybrids. Any other questions, please let me know. I don't own one, but will buy one in the future. I've driven a Highlander Hybrid for a 450 mile trip, and absolutely loved it compared to the V6 Highlander we own. At least 11 mpg more than our V6, and the hybrid acceleration was good. Now, if you don't drive much (less than 8k miles a year), it would be better to get the gasoline only version.
I owned a 2022 hybrid Toyota sienna. 1.) I really loved this van until 1. The fuel tank had cracks causing a cap leak that took forever to be found. 2. I was driving one evening and I have never seen so many lights go off flashing stop in half mile. It totally stopped!!! The sending unit fell apart. I am sick of hybrids. I also think people that are of lower socioeconomic they will never afford another used car a d to replace a battery 5-7 k this idea of total electric is nuts. Plus our electric grid cannot afford this deal with all electric vehicles being charged
You realize this was mainly about hybrids? Not total EVs? Non plug in do not take a watt from the grid. (Unless engine battery runs dead). ;) gas tank cracked? If full EV no gas tank? ;). Lights? I just had rear brake sensor fail. Christmas in July. Brake, trac control, ABS, service soon, couple others. $400
I have a Ford escape hybrid first generation 2005. It is very reliable and is on the first battery, no brake changes due to regenerative braking and I only need to change the oil, filters, hybrid filter changing is key, and fluids occasionally. This thing is a very low cost vehicle. They last easy 300k. No regrets here!
I love my 2014 Prius V. In fact, the “V” is the best car I’ve ever owned. Other than maintenance, I never had to put $ into this car. I’m waiting for my new RAV 4 XLE to arrive. I ordered the car at the end of December. I’m looking forward to many years of safe, low maintenance driving.
My car before my Rav4 Hybrid was a Prius V. Absolutely do love the Prius V but only downfall was that it beeps going in reverse and its down a bit further. But a brand new Rav4 and I'm now at 8700 miles and I've been the the dealership about a dozen times. And carplay sucks on the Rav4. I do miss my Prius V but it does seem like Toyotas aren't as reliable as they once were.
If you plan on keeping your Toyota for longer than 3 years, get your oil changed every 5K miles, no matter what Toyota states, even if you have to pay for some of them. Every Toyota mechanic, and every other mechanic, will tell you that. 10K oil changes are selling points, but not reality or good for the engine.
Disagree with the podcast's conclusions provided you don't abuse these cars and do the maintenance. I can only speak for Toyota hybrids. Owned three hybrid Priuses. My wife's a real estate broker and put 180 to 200,000 mi on them before ever having battery issues which is the only issue we have with his cars. Battery rebuilding and replacement is not very expensive nowadays. Huge savings on the gas. We don't think about gas cost anymore driving Toyota hybrids. Cars were well maintained with oil filter changes. Every 5000 mi and transmission oil changed every 30 to 35,000 miles. You make money with these things using the standard mileage deduction on your tax returns.
I've had a '23 RAV4 Limited Hybrid ordered for about 6 weeks. I've been working with 2 dealers in west central and central Iowa and have actually turned down 3 new RAV4s because of color & optional packages that I didn't want. Our first choices for color are red, white & magnetic gray, in that order and we prefer the light gray interior. I found out last week that they located one like we want in magnetic gray, that just arrived @ the port from Japan. It should be here sometime next week. Our name is officially on it so unless there's something we don't like about it we've decided we'll take it (unless a red or white on shows up too.) 6 weeks ago we were told by both dealers that it would probably take 12 months for one to show up. and in the last 2 weeks, 4 have come available.
I ordered my RAV XLE hybrid in December. I’m picking up my RAV today July 19. I turned down a RAV in May because I didn’t want a gray car. I brought my 2014 Prius V from A1 Toyota in New Hsven, CT as well as the RAV. They didn’t charge me over the MRSP. Great dealership.
You guys are lucky to recieve your orders so quickly. Here in Australia the wait times are insane. I ordered a RAV4 Hybrid Edge 23 many months ago. Near $67k in value. Was told a 1 year wait...
I watched your video and it was very informative, but I am still waiting for the "SHOCKING" part. I didn't see anything "SHOCKING" at all. What did you mean by that?
In my case I just ordered a new Corolla LE gas because it gets 40mpg and in 15 years it won’t need a very expensive new hybrid battery. But to each there own
9 years with a Toyota Auris TS (corolla touring sports) and it has cost me nothing but yearly maintenance. About 200 each year. That's nothing compared to German/french cars I previously owned. And I still get 1 more year of warranty, (so 10 in total!) NO car manifacturer has ever given me such easy of mind. It's the most reliable thing I ever owned.
We purchased a 2012 Toyota Prius with 1 mile on it. It is still a great car--there is over 230k miles on it and runs nice. However, the recommended maintenance from Toyota SHOULD be ignored! Do not wait past 5k miles to do your oil changes. We had to replace the top of the engine because of carbon build up. And there were many Prius's around the same year in the shop for these same reasons. And yes, we kept all the regular maintenance up on this car but we listened to the dealer and went past 5k to change the oil. Also, YES, you get way better gas in a hybrid but you will still be at the gas station often since the gas tank is so small. Overall, our Toyota is a great vehicle, get your oil changed every 5k miles, and do not think you will be at the gas station every two weeks.
Toyota hybrid cars, like other hybrids, often have a tendency for carbon buildup due to their unique engine characteristics. Since hybrid engines frequently switch between electric and internal combustion modes, they might not always reach the temperatures needed to burn off carbon deposits. This can lead to more carbon buildup compared to traditional internal combustion engines that consistently operate at higher temperatures. Regular maintenance and driving patterns can influence this issue.
Those maintainance intervals are designed to get you through warranty and to cause premature failure in the near future. Cut them by 25% at least after warranty.
I have a 2012 PriusC. It cost 1500 to replace the hybrid battery at180k miles. I replaced the front brake pads. I got those at autozone for cheap. Most of what I have replaced is body parts from old people backing into me, and hitting stop signs.
The combined mpg rating for a rav4 is 35 mpg for a standard and 38 mpg for a hybrid. The base price of a hybrid is $3000 more. At 20,000 miles per year the hybrid will use 50 gallons less of gasoline. At $4 per gallon that is a massive savings of $200 per year so it only takes 15 years before you actually start saving money on fuel. Awesome 😂
Thanks for your insights. I’m trying to decide right now between a hybrid and a gas only vehicle, and your video is very helpful. I had a question, however: What if you only usually drive your car once or twice a week to run short errands? Is that bad for the battery life? Would people in those situations be better advised to buy a gas only vehicle?
The very reason we are opting for a Honda. Live in an area where lots of road salt is used wintertime and I don't want to be worrying about that issue. Fixed? That's actually yet to be determined, isn't it? I'm seeing people with newer hybrid Toyotas still reporting the problem. It's def one of those issues that matters more depending on where you live.
Hybrid is not quite reliable much, in term of service maintenance. Mostly cost more than regular combustion engine which requires more works and more complicated system runs into it.
Dealers are asking 10-15 more for hybrid. How many years of driving would it take to make that savings up. Also, if you have a shorter commute, the batteries will deteriorate much faster, as the vehicle will not be able to top off the charge. There’s also the CVT which I really dislike. Should have mentioned that in this very biased video.
In the RAV4, which is what he reviewed, the price is about ~$3k more than the non-hybrid but it includes AWD which is about a ~$1.5k option on the non-hybrid if you want/need it. I’ve been shopping in middle TN and what I’m finding is that the dealer markup on the hybrids is about 500-1000 more than non. None of that comes anywhere near the 10-15 extra you are quoting. Perhaps its different where you live. Obviously if you have a shorter commute then the math on the hybrid would not make sense for you. I find your comment like 100 times more biased than his pretty even handed video.
@@williamfrench9973 you find it 100 times more biased because you don’t know what the prices are where I live. I’ve seen numerous examples around my area where it, certainly, is not. He is sitting in a RAV 4, but rarely mentions the Rav. He does repeat Hybrid Toyota many time, and feel the video was not directly related to Rav. Because he does mention that you will have to wait for hybrid, dealers are astronomically marking these up. I have done the research in my area and ended up going with the XSE.
I’ve just opened cargurus in my province and the first one to come up was a ‘21 highlander with 45 K for 69,899. So I guess there’s that. I would consider that a significant markup. It’s the unavailability that’s driving them up.
@@johnbaker2648 Actually, my comment about you being more biased was a separate issue from the markup. YOU don’t like cvt. YOU mention highly questionable negatives about hybrid batteries. That is what I found biased. I acknowledged in my comment that prices might be different where you live and apparently they are. And I acknowledge that hybrids are not worth the investment if you don’t drive very much. But the fact remains, for the AVERAGE consumer, hybrids will represent a total lower cost of ownership for most. And, there is a groundswell of know-nothing wanna be conservatives out there who despise any vehicle that isn’t a conventional ICE for the simple reason that liberals seem to like them… So I am a little sensitive to criticism that seems to be based somewhere other than plain hard facts. That would be my bias.
@@williamfrench9973 I tend to keep politics out of any view I post. Politically, you and I may have more in common than you might think. I did purchase a 4 cyl non hybrid, but if it made financial sense for me to purchase hybrid, I certainly would have. It just didn’t and take exception to the many that believe it to be stupid to purchase anything other than hybrid. Fact is, most forums give the non hybrid a fail, so I’m guilty of being a little sensitive my self. The CVT is my opinion, only. I’ve driven enough CVTs to know I don’t enjoy the drive or the way it accelerates. Historically, they have been more trouble than non-cvts. But again, nothing more than my opinion. Hybrids are great if they fit your lifestyle and are not being overcharged. But I’m tired of apologizing for owning a straight 4.
I think I just got extorted by a Toyota dealership. I bout a new Prius Prime last weekend, and while I didn't feel comfortable with the final deal, I went with it. Then came the last guy that has you sign all the paperwork, and he presents us with a bunch of extended care options. The one that REALLY surprised me was the built-in anti-theft system. He basically tols us that unless we paid an additional $600 they would disable the antitheft system that was already on the car. I have been buying Toyotas with built-in anti-theft systems for over 25 years, I have NEVER been dinged extra for it. The idea that I had to pay extra OR THEY WOULD DISABLE THIS FEATURE stunned me. The car is still on the boat, I have not taken delivery yet. I feel so pissed I might cancel the deal (other reasons to cancel also exist.) Does the anti-theft system, functional, come standard with Toyotas any more? Is there any validity to them claiming they will disable it if I don't pay? I mean, jeez, the cost out the door is about $50K, do they really need to extort more?
When it speaks to tightening the "propeller shaft bolts" are they talking about the drive shaft?Also, do the brakes on Toyota Hybrids last longer than non hybrid models. I would think with regenerative braking the vehicle would slow down on it's own even without applying the brakes.
The first thing you mentioned was that a hybrid will save on gas. One other thing you mentioned was the hybrid cost more. My question is; will you ever save enough money at the pump to justify the additional cost of purchasing a hybrid?
Love our corolla cross, but unfortunately you can not park it for more then 2 weeks without running it. We left for a month and found the battery dead upon our return. For us, a plug in hybrid would have been a better choice.😮
Hybrids are ment to be driven you park it the 12volt battery drains because this Hybrids have no alternators but inverters to charge the 12volt battery
I know nothing about hybrids, so please help me understand. Is he saying that hybrid cars have 2 engines that completely switch places while in motion so that one turns off absolutely so it doesn't wear out as quickly?
Still boggles my mind that Toyota bothers to put a vvt + dual injection engines on the base Corolla hybrids (1.8L and 2.0L). Maximizing efficiency, and still one of the most reliable engines around. Glad they haven't cheapen their engines and gone with a 3-cylinder turbo.
I just purchased 2025 Honda Crv - Hybrid Sport L AWD and I love it. The only thing that I hate is the AVAS system when the car is in reversed. It is a safety feature for hearing impaired people or just people to hear that you’re in reverse because the car is so quiet. You can’t even hear it when it’s on. The ride is spectacular.
Hybrid = More cost to purchase, more cost for license plates, more cost for service, more cost for battery replacement, doesn’t last as long as a non-hybrid. Oh yeah, but it saves money on gas !! Kinda like paying 3 times the cost for a Tesla, spend money on a home charging station so you can brag about saving money on gas. I say no thanks to hybrid & electric cars. I’ll stick with my Honda that gets 40 mpg on the highway & will last many years longer than hybrid or electric.
@@faiolapatthat's pretty impressive. Usually you need a hybrid to reach that kind of mpg. I'm from Canada and drove my 2009 Hyundai elantra to Connecticut during the summer, I was amazed to get 38mpg with 3 adults and luggages for 3 people in the car.
We own a 2021 Hybrid Venza. Drove to Washington State from California when it only had 1500 miles. We averaged 48 mpg on the trip. We now have 17,500 miles and still get 42.3 mpg around town. We do wish we had more front seat travel. I change oil every 4000 miles 0W-16.
My daughter owns one and over the last 6 years it's been incredibly cheap to run. Was second hand 3 years old. She owes nothing , it's all hers. It worries me as to what happens next. So far so good.
Thanks, I love our RAV4 Hybrid and RAV4 prime. However, when new I change the oil much sooner than the first recommended. On the Prime we collected the first oil change and a metallic looking layer was obvious on the surface. The manual also states certain conditions (short trips to the store especially) may require a different schedule for longevity.
Changed my wife’s 2024 Lexus NX350h at 1k miles, then just did the 5k miles change yesterday. From now on it is 5k miles OCI. Same routine I did on my 2017 ES350 and my son’s 08 RX350.
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I have a third gen Prius with 200K miles and it is by far the most reliable car I've ever had. I did replace the hybrid battery at 190k for $1600 and have a life warranty on it now. Everything else just perfect, unlike the Mercedes and Audi I also had, they constantly had something breaking down. Lexus and Toyota are simply the best overall cars.
lifetime warranty from the dealership?
I have a 07 Prius and 15 hybrid Avalon, very dependable and not costly to maintain. About 2 years ago replaced hybrid battery and regular battery for about $2,500.00, but that is less than it was a few years ago. I love both my hybrids !❤
My husband who has a extra back pain said that the preuies was really comfortable for him to sit in and ride in very comfortable
What's the name of company you got battery with life time warranty and phone number..thank you
@@zeljkodjukic5889Possibly Green Bean battery, which does offer a lifetime replacement guarantee on their reconditioned hybrid batteries.
I have 2023 rav4hybrid. It’s the sweetest running vehicle I’ve ever owned in over 75 years. I’m 90 years old.
祝您长命百岁。
WOW. Great you enjoy your car and driving❤
The most splendid recommendation. I wish you well right through your blessed 90s. Cheers 🥂
You should not be allowed to drive at 90 😮
@@TheGecko213..not all people are old and deficient at 90.
I still own a Ford Escape Hybrid for 15 years, which uses the Toyota Hybrid system. I have never had any trouble with it and continues to run just fine. I love it.
It’s similar it’s not the same as the current Toyota hybrid Ravs.
I live in Calgary, Canada and I received a 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid LXE in May 2022. Fuel efficiency is very good. In warmer months I can get up to 1,000km per 55L tank of gas. In the winter, the fuel efficiency is closer to 700km to 750km or so per tank. The main reason is that the gasoline engine starts up immediately in cold temperatures to warm up the vehicle. When temps are -10C or warmer the engine will warm up after about 10 min and the battery will start to kick in close to the same as normal. When temps are colder than -10C that is when the gasoline engine is working almost all the time and the battery is not working that much. Fuel mileage drops noticeably in colder months as a result, but not enough to offset the overall improvement in fuel efficiency of year-round ownership compared to a non-hybrid model.
Have a 2010 Lexus RX450H (hybrid), at 124,000km and absolutly no issues. Only engine oil change. Less fluids overall. What an amazing vehicle design.
Something not mentioned; brake wear is significantly less for a hybrid car. I have 70,000 miles on my RAV4 hybrid with 50% remaining on the brakes, approximately. Love the torque and instant acceleration when merging on the highway - no delay caused by downshifting transmission on a standard car.
you need to grease and clean them since they are not used as much. We have a Prius AWDe and a 2021 RAV LE hybrid and we have them checked every fall and spring. We live in the countryside with hardly any stops on the way to the city (30km distance) . Our mechanic recommends that when you come to a stop to brake a bit later and harder just to keep them from rusting.
@@Bob064 nice to know. Thanks for the recommendation.
If you mostly drive in the highway, u do not use your break that much, and it will last longer.
@@anastaciolopez6259 but your burning almost as much fuel as a non hybrid.
I have 187K on my 2007 chevy duramax 4×4. Still on original brakes.
Keeping the screen or replaceable battery fan intake filter is key to having the batteries remain cool and lasting longer. Don't wait for the overheat code. The sensors are located on the last batteries to heat up.
Where is the battery fan intake filter also can the car owner change the filter or does it require a lot of steps?
@@laurafitlin9486 It's to the right of the where the rear passenger side rider sits. Car care nut just did a video about it.
I have been driving a lot of cars in the past few decades. Frankly, the best car I’ve ever processed is a Toyota Prius. Never before have I experienced a car that never ever have any issues for hundreds of thousands of kilometres. Just driving and regular maintenance of course.
In terms of fuel conskumption I can say: in the first 400,000 km, I have saved as much money as the car cost when I bought it preowned.
After 400,000 km, I gave it to my daughter. She will drive it for another few hundreds of thousand km. This car is a gem!
Of course , my next car is another Toyota Prius.
Why should I buy any other car, when I can get the best car in the world?
As always, "religious" maintenance is the key.
My 2008 Toyota Prius lasted for 16 years (I bought it in 2007...) and I let it go when it reached about 390,000 miles. If it was not for the "coolant leak" diagnosed I would still had it.
At first when I was going to buy it, many car dealers tried to discourage me, argumenting that the price was more than that for a similar size non-hybrid car. I do not regret a single minute having bought that Prius.
Not everyone can reach 390,000 miles in their whole lifetime.
You must be a Uber driver.
@TheGecko213 no Uber here. Like many people around this area, I commuted 50 miles one way to Miami every day for about 10 years, plus other traveling.
@@TheGecko213😆 🤣 😂
My 09 Camry Hybrid has 400000 km last Friday and from what I know it's the original hybrid battery and next to no repair just oil changes at 7500 km...
it’s a Prius though, gross
I own a 2019 Avalon Limited which now has 55K on the odometer. The car has an average mpg of 47.7 shown on the onboard data collection system. This car is without doubt the finest automobile I have ever owned. I am now 85 and have owned many cars. Most likely Toyota's other hybrids are similar to mine in quality. If you drive any distance hybrid is the way to go.
Your MPGs are probably higher then what your gage says. I did the math on my Camry Hybrid xle and it gets 52mpgs. The gage and the car specs had a lower mpgs.
Mine is a 15 hybrid Avalon, I love, love it ❤️
My 2021 Avalon Hybrid XLE gets 35 mpg, but I mainly drive short distances around town and deal with many hills, otherwise I'd probably get 40mpg. My 2003 Tahoe, which I purchased new and drove for 20 years gets 14mpg (great vehicle BTW), so I'm thrilled with 35mpg! I LOVE my Avalon!! It is so smooth and fun to drive, luxurious and spacious, nice moonroof, great sound system. I usually drive in Standard mode, but Sport mode kicks it up into another level of power, quickness, and fun. I plan on driving this for my next 20 years ❤
@@Jack-pd4ps If I wanted a sedan that Hybrid Camry would be the way to go. Too darn low though.
@@MatHerald GM built some very good trucks and SUV's back then.
I have a 2012 Prius V. I just had my annual maintenance...235.00 CDN. For me, using the Hybrid Assist app made all the difference, changed how I drive, lowered engine stress and I can monitor everything. I will never go back to a non-hybrid car again, I just got so used to how simple it all is. I always say to my wife, it feels less like a car and more like a transportation appliance.
I wish Honda included a spare on their 2024 CRV Hybrid. No spare Honda? $40K.
so, what's the shock ?
Attention seeking title was the only shock
Clickbait, I’m shocked!
The title doesn’t match the content, wasting time
The "shock" is that the more technically complex car, the hybrid, needs less maintenance. Any quick scan of Consumer Reports will show that; in almost every case the hybrid is a full grade better on reliability, regardless of the brand. Channel that fact into clickbait and you get the title of this video.
I find it interesting that no one seems to take into account that tires wear down faster and need to be replaced every 15000 in average. That's because the vehicle is heavier (battery) and faster acceleration on top of that.
I currently the owner of a 22 year old Toyota Prius....IT has been the best car I have ever owed. I'm 86 years old and have owned a few cars, none
As good as this car.. It has 239,000 miles, and is on it third battery. It looks as good as new, always great service from my Toyota dealer. The car looks
As good as the day it was bought. The car has a always been garaged, or car covered . Thank Toyota for building a great car.
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You are too old to drive
@@lesliechiu1437Being 86 is not a cause by itself not to drive. FJ Biden is not like he is because he's old, but because he suffers from late stage Alheimer's syndrome
That car should not be on its third battery
@@Jack-russell103 I'm pretty sure he meant the 12 volt battery
@@lesliechiu1437Only too young to drive. 😅
Just picked up my Highlander hybrid platinum last Saturday and I love it! Had to fly to Charleston 😊West Virginia to get a good deal at Moses Toyota. Alex was my salesman. I live in Tennessee.
Congrats. I too just bought hybrid highlander xle bronze addition. I’ve had it for 2 weeks now and just love it. 2022 model with 15k miles. Going to schedule appointment with dealer for service. Would you believe my insurance is cheaper on this car than my old 89 Pathfinder. Hope body doesn’t rust like Nissan here in N.Y.
Could you give me his work number?Are you able to negotiate prices on the hybrids at all?
Toyota is the best car i ever had.very reliable and very much save fuel ⛽ economy.more than BMW & MERCEDES 😊
I drive 2015 Prius V and absolutely love it. The shock for me was only having to refuel after 3 weeks of driving vs once a week compared to my normal ICE vehicle.
My husband started taking my hybrid to work after gas prices started spiking once Americans returned to work post-2020. He refuels every 3 weeks instead of weekly also and his regular car is a very fuel efficient Honda.
The purchase price of that Prius vs gas vehicle could be $3,000-$5,000 buys a lot of gas.
@chodkowski01 diminishing amount over time. Was a $3000 "Premium" for me. Payback took 3.5 years. Im in Year 9 of ownership. They're only worth the premium if you hold onto your vehicle. If you're changing vehicles every 5 years or less, they don't make sense.
Wow! My 2013 Base model Prius has 180,000 miles; I bought it when it had 129,000 out side of TIRES I have changed (ALL) fluids, Front and rear break pads and a top of the line Toyota factory filter a Synthetic oil said to be good for 10,000 miles I believe that 5,000 mile is my maximum mileage having to have been a mechanic for a number of years? I have changed my air and cabin filters and added a filter screen that protects my main battery Fan. If I averaged my gas and mileage fill ups i would say 47-49 mpg would be very close, I keep a log on gas mileage and any and all maintenance, my four tires cost more than all of the rest. I had my main battery diagnosed maybe 4 months ago and every cell was within Toyota's specification.
This is by far the best engineered car I have ever owned with spending the least amount of upkeep maintenance...
1.25x speed. Trust me.
Might even go 1.5 lol
1.75 He talks like a Sloth moves
2.0x or skip altogether
He speaks so slow that he can put a baby to sleep.
Good call on speeding the video up. At 1.25x he speaks at a normal speed.
You have to do the math. Unless you drive a lot, it'll take several years before the fuel savings pay you back for the extra cost of the vehicle. For example, driving a RAV4 hybrid 15,000 miles a year will save you about 125 gallons. Even at $4 a gallon, that's a savings of $600 a year. But the hybrid costs about $3,000 more. That's five years to break even. Depending on how you drive, where you drive, how much you drive, and which vehicle you chose, the payoff time will vary wildly.
And then there's the cost of the hybrid battery replacement if you keep your vehicle long enough.
Plus dealer markup for hybrids.
People who want a green car are very POOR at maths.
That is why they drive EVs and Hybrids.
80k miles to begin saving anything
Actually, if you are buying an AWD, then the hybrid is only ~$1600 more because it is included whereas it is extra on the non-hybrid. Also, several studies now have shown that the average maintenance cost of a hybrid is now lower than it is for non-hybrids. And a 5 year payoff is still pretty good - especially considering that resale values for
Hi, I'm from the UK and drive,from new, a 2019 rav hybrid. I placed an order for a rav4 phev (prime) in April 2022. Have just been told by my dealer that they should be starting to build the vehicle within the next two weeks. With shipping etc they expect the rav to be at the dealership by end of August. That's 16 months from order. At the moment Toyota uk do a service plan and I pay £27 a month to maintain services. We have a service A and a sevice B alternate years which ensures best running. Also Toyota UK provide a years warranty after each service for up to 10 years or 100k providing the vehicle is serviced by Toyota. Happy motoring guys😊.
You forgot about the up to 15 years hybrid battery warranty with UK Toyota main dealer servicing which also includes a hybrid health check.
I have a 2019 RAV4 Hybrid with 40K miles. Hybrid model cost $900 more than non-hybrid. The fuel savings with the better mpg for the hybrid model paid back the $900 by 18K miles. I typically get around 40 mpg, and love to take the RAV4 on logging roads in the forests (Trail mode, 8" ground clearance).
Most would argue that 8000 annual miles hardly makes sense to buy a hybrid.
I had a 2014 Prius with 300K miles on it & still sold it for $5k. I never changed the batteries. Maintenance was done by Toyota Longo here in SoCal (it’s the best & biggest dealership in the USofA). A very reliable car indeed, nothing can compare with a Toyota when it comes to durability & resale value. Then got a 2019 Prius XLE & have 60 miles now & its still great. Very economical too. I’ll NEVER change this for an EV!
EVs are for the virtue signalling crowd - hybrids are the optimal overall best way to go given current technology. From total life time perspective the hybrid has time carbon foir print, far less requirenpment for exotic raw materials (which are proving to be very environmentalky threatening as demand scales up), better mpg than an ICE and better overall affordability. They are much more affordable than EVs (even with the govt incentive b.s.), don't suffer range anxiety issues, and the plug-in variety just sweetens the deal further.
My next vehichle is definitely going to be a hybrid and most definitely NOT an EV
You never replaced the batteries you claim, well I call that a straight up lie there only good for about up to 100,000 miles.
@@victoria19853are you saying I’m a liar??? What will I gain from lying if I never replaced my batteries!!!
It is not just hybrid vehicles. The dealer wanted $800 to change the lube in the differentials and transfer case on my Jeep wrangler. Got it done for $178 at a lube place.
The hybrid replacement battery pack for a Toyota RAV4 costs anywhere from $2,000 to $6,000. However, the final sum depends on whether you get a new, used, or recycled battery, and it's possible to replace it for $1,500-$3,500.
I say save the extra cost and clean the battery filter
@@SolidSL510 The point is, there will come a day when the battery, just like any other battery, will no longer hold an adequate charge and will have to be replaced. If you're someone who doesn't keep your vehicle for more than a few years, then this doesn't apply. If you're like me and keep your cars for 10-20 years, now you have to calculate whether you think you'll save enough money in fuel to pay for a battery pack repair/replacement.
@@jsfbay1 Also, if you do keep your hybrid for only a few years, you should expect a lower trade-in value since potential buyers will balk at buying a used hybrid due to the possibility of a huge battery replacement expense. I was told to expect 15% or more less value over the gas version. Besides, if this EV push by the US government takes hold, and bans gas engines at some point, then the demand for gas engine vehicles on the used market will be very high...and trade in values will skyrocket. Just things to keep in mind.
@@williamwood1776, The data that is available shows that hybrid batteries are very reliable. There are many older Hybrids out there that have the original battery, especially Toyota's! There are still generation 1 and 2 Priuses out there with the original battery in twitch more than 300,000 miles on it. There is someone here who drives a generation 1 Prius sedan. I recently got a new Toyota Hybrid to replace my 2012 Camry Hybrid, and the hybrid battery is still in excellent shape. The only battery problems that any car has is the 12V battery, which on regular gasoline cars has to be replaced every 5 years. The 12V for hybrids lasts between 80,000 and 100,000 miles. Yes, hybrid batteries are expensive to replace, but you are putting out a lot of false information out there, Toyota dealers are wanting hybrid trade-ins , because they are selling very fast. almost as soon as they hit the lot.
Used Rav4 hybrids sell at a premium. I bought a 2019 Rav4 Limited in 2020. It only had 26 miles on it. KBB trade in is only $1000 less than I paid for it.
I bought toyota hybrids because of #1 reason - to save gas. I can also save gas using CVT based (belts). But @150-200k miles the batteries or belt-CVT will prob be replaced. I chose the Hybrid eCVT (planetary) due to its reliability. Batteries are easier to replace than Belt CVT. Furthermore, Hybrids have no alternators, starters, serpentine belts, tensioners, pulleys unlike the non-hybrids. So all the energy saved and makes for a simpler engine.
great to hear
Any update on the cablegate issues that these rav4 hybrids had ? Are they fixed in 2024 model ?
Got my rav4 xse hybrid this weekend, 8 miles when I got it. After dealing with 5 different dealerships with ridiculous markups, found one reasonably priced and arrived a week earlier than ETA we were advised. I love it so far, it looks bad ass and runs really great!
You got it less than a week ago and you comment on a maintenance video?
@@normanwells2755 i havent even started shopping around for one and already looking at maintenance videos lol It's so hard to make a decision on a good car
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You are going to pay a lot more for hybrid.... msrp is a joke... and keep in mind that you may not going to get the car even if you put deposit for it. Dealer will sale it to someone else if they find a better price. Therefore don't bother to low ball them. They will keep you on the hook just in case if they could not find a better buyer.
@@sn3495 This is just not true, when I ordered my Lexus 450 LxH, I specialized everything that I wanted on it, even the color of the seats! When it came in people offered to buy it for $3,500.00 more dollars! The Dealership keep me informed, yes I had to wait do to the things that I stipulated I wanted, and that’s how it came. I was told that Lexus would no longer let people request the exterior color, with the color seats I wanted. Usually there White Pearl 450 H COMES WITH BLACK INTERIOR was what I was told .
@@sn3495Not my experience. Shop a different dealer. Go out of state if you have to.
I have done own maintenance since dealership maintenance timed out. 2018 Camry hybrid, currently 52,000 miles, drive 500 miles on a tank of gas and refill with about 11.3 American gallons on average. Zero problems so far, total maintenance costs (excluding tires) equals price of oil and filters. Love my hybrid.
Another reason you may not want a hybrid is when you’re doing very low mileage and it takes many many years to recoup the purchasing cost difference.
Suppose you don't drive much. I drive about 5 miles, once or twice a week. I've heard that hybrids break down much when they are not used often, that the battery goes bad when it's not used much. Is that true?
So you drive less than 500 miles a year? I'd own the cheapest used beater upper i could find. No reason to "invest" any significant amount of money into something I'm rarely going to use .
I think in your case a hybrid would not be the best choice. Just like in my case a full EV would be a bad choice. All hybrids are more than ICE model. 300 miles a year you will NEVER make up the difference. Plus most realize the more electric stuff, the more failure after couple of decades. There are 1970 cars on road that are basically factory plus maintenance. Driver who put on 5k a year. I doubt a hybrid will go +40 years even low miles without serious parts, battery replacement. In your case I would find an estate car. +4 years old, dealership every year for oil change, under 15k miles. Every 15 years put on new tires. (If you store in garage, in decent state). My CO car, outside needs new tires every 10 years due to rot concerns. Mn 20 years in garage fine.
@@Derek_1111 Yep but on a side note i would buy something you can't help looking back at when you get out because it's so cool an you plan on keeping it till you die . 🙂
you could literally buy a monster truck since you don't drive much.
I have a gen 3 Prius with just over two hundred thousand miles. I commute 73 miles one way, and it had been great. The only non scheduled maintenance was a water pump around 150000. I replaced it myself for around $150. Can’t beat it for the mission.
Thank you, good report we are considering a Hybrid vehicle in the next year or two looked at the Honda CRV and was impressed !!
Good information about hybrid vs not.
My biggest concern is finding a Toyota dealership that is not adding 2K to the msrp
About $6,000 was added to the MSRP (in various paint protection schemes, oil changes, rotations, and $450 floor mats to name some add of the add ons) on my 2023 Rav4 Limited Hybrid. It's a "do you want it or not" scam they can do because hybrids are in very short supply. They play that up.
But it's a great vehicle. One of the nicest vehicles to drive ever made. It's fantastic.
One caveat. I noticed 6 subscription services right away, and there may be more. The Toyota app apparently stinks, according to reviews. They made such a great vehicle, but their consumer software stinks. The app exists to sell subscription services.
exactly, once they do that you’re losing the fuel savings
Going on 4 months now 1800 miles with my 23 Venza Limited. I don’t drive a lot but love hybrids. My gas range is finally increasing to over 500 miles of range at 44mpg. I do not like the whinny engine when you need to get up a hill.. however great car for the value.. just needs a sunroof 😅..
Thanks for your thoughts!
I thought the Venza had a panoramic sun roof?
@@wabbit7608 optional star gaze roof that does not open. I couldn’t find one with the star gaze roof either.
I want the 23 Venza, but very hard to find now
@@Rissybearbe glad you didn’t find one… when they have problems, they are VERY expensive to fix.
My 2021 has the pano sunroof. I read one comment where the owner had an estimate of $ 6000 for a replacement.
I use mine exclusively in sport mode. 38 to 44 mpg. In eco mode, I got 55 mpg but not much fun in that mode.
Great info! The Hybrids are proven tanks thanks to their large planetary gear sets. The current generation already has data points of people putting 400,000 miles on them. Not having to worry about starters and alternators is nice we well. Rav4s are super DIY maintenance friendly too. Hybrid fan filter, inverter coolant, rear differential (transaxle) fluid are all doable with very simple tools. Same for oil change and trans fluid. I opted for the hybrid for a better driving experience and economy as a long term (150k+ mile) vehicle.
Hybrids stll have starters and altenators. If you didn't replace them as sooner as thr older ICE cars you have owned, all it confirms is they can make them better.
Also replacing alternators and starters are nothing really for the basic mechanic.
@@crxdelsolsir this is not true. Rav4 hybrids do not have a starter or an alternator. The traction battery is what starts the vehicle. This is also partially why you see such a small 12v battery in the hybrids. The inverter functions similarly to that of an alternator, but there is not an alternator in the hybrids.
@@jmichael6931 Never thought things in mind whether Hybrids have a starter or an alternator, very informative.
Hey crx guy YOUR WRONG Better read up.
Aren't hybrids more likely to catch on fire?
I had a hybrid and the cost of insurance was about 25% higher the non-hybrid and the sAvings on gas was not enough to cover the cost of the insurance and I have a clean driving record and great credit
Do you know why it cost you more?
@@nickiemcnichols5397 because the car has 2 modes of transportation gas and electric and cost more to repair.
I don’t have claims nor moving violations and live in a very safe zip code and almost perfect credit. The car was a ford Cmax
I had that car for 5 years and it had only 35,000 miles on it
So please tell me what hybrids cost more to insure
Underwriter here- all things being equal a hybrid costs less to insure.
@@johngorecki930 if you say so
I know other wise
There are two power trains to replace and batteries.
Show me how it’s cheaper to insure
More expensive vehicles cost more to insure. I don't think it has anything to do with hybrid vs non-hybrid. With most manufacturers, hybrids don't come in base model trims. Toyota is the exception.
I have 2024 Toyota Crown and it is the best car I have ever owned. It is the 2.5 4-cylinder (no turbo. don't need it) It is the XLE and it suits me just fine. I recently took it on a 2000 kilometer (1200 miles) and got 40mpg. No mechanical issues, just a smooth driving ride.
You are rich why do you care about gas mileage
@@blakespower hogwash. I’m not rich. Far cry from it. I had a job for 20+ years that paid me decently as a retirement I invested in the Toyota crown. I worked real hard and I earned it. I did not depend on handouts or people giving me money. I’m old-school and if you want to get to the top you earn your way. It ain’t got nothing to do with being rich. Have a nice day.
Two maintenance items that will kill a Toyota Hybrid vehicle prematurely are s follows:
Not changing the motor oil every 5K miles.
Not changing the battery fan cooling filter as scheduled and/ or inadvertently covering up the cooling fan vents and thus overheating the battery pack.
Yep, exactly right. Oil change every 5k miles or 6 months for me. The hybrid fan filter clean every 6 months as well.
I have a 2022 RAV4 limited that I bought with 16 miles on it. We love it so far. Probably will trade it at about 80,000 miles.
Woohooo
It’s not just Canada. In Minnesota there are often straks of 40, 50 even 60 straight days where it never gets above 0 degrees F and even longer streams where it never gets above freezing. At what temp will performance degrade?
Hybrid is the best last time I went to Niagara fall on QEW traffic bumper to bumper my 2022 venza hybrid limited my venza hybrid running only with electric time to time the gas engine turn on to the battery I really love the hybrid thanks for your video take care bye from milton Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you!
re Cable Gate - a very serious concern. I have a Rav hybrid 2021 and as Ryan stated , the Toyota outragious fix cost is $6K!! It is essentially not covered by warranty and there are outstanding class action suits in USA and Cda as there should be. I asked my dealer, Newmarket T, to check the cable and got the most insulting reply = We will Not check it and essentially dont bother us Until the dash warning lite comes on ie when it is Tooooo Late ?!! My First and definitely the last Toyota - i think they have changed their corp strategy to be more in line with the usual crap manufacturers . I would have kept it for 10 yr but will now dump it in 2 yr - Tesla ?
Have fun taking a long road trip in a Tesla! They are also not very reliable!
Do some preventative measures, such as spraying CRC corrosion inhibitor once the dealer replaces the cable under warranty or after getting the new car (not your case here). Lots of DIY info floating around.
I've owned three hybids and they are less expensive to maintain than any ICE car I've owned!
Until your battery no longer holds an adequate charge and needs cell replacements or the hole battery replaced. If you don't keep your cars beyond the 8 year / ?? miles Toyota battery warranty then I agree with you.
@@jsfbay1 My Prius is 10 years old and still working great. Other than routine maintenance replaced the 12 volt battery and tires. I wouldn't call it a great car but it did exceed the expectations I had when I first got it.
I’ll stay with SK’s advice and go with a gas Toyota. They are cheaper to run long term.
@@frederickclause2694 how long the 12 volt battery lasted ?
@@efraimlavi4030 The original had a cell go bad after about 1.5 years. No issues since. It isn't a normal lead acid battery. I forget the technical aspects of the 12 volt battery.
Surprised you didn’t mention the reduction of brake pad wear.
I do mention that in my other video.
Good point. I have a Lexus NX300h with just under 100k miles on it. I asked my mechanic to check the brake pads and he said they looked virtually new.
Or the extra cost of replacing seized calipers and rusty disks.
I was an early adopter and bought a 2007 Camry Hybrid. Living in Indiana, a lot of people thought I was nuts. But it was a super comfortable and quiet car with very low maintenance costs and I drove it to over 200k before it got totalled by a hail storm. For a change I now have a 2018 Honda non-hybrid Accord Touring and the road noise is awful.
I have a 2005 Honda Pilot and it's road noise isolation is awful. I thought by 2018 they'd have fixed it. I wonder if you have to go to an Acura for a quiet Honda.. I drove a 2022 Forester and it was much quieter than our Honda.
@@davidanderson8469Honda is notorious for road noise.
did you replace the hybrid battery?
@@MoneySavingVideos no the traction battery never had a problem. Also the 12 volt AGM battery never needed replaced either!
@@kevinbond1889 thanks. I have not replaced brakes either!
I calculated that buying an hybrid was not profitable enough to compensate the difference of prices, as I don't use it intensively, but I chose it because it's an automatic, and fun to drive.
The Yaris is a great car, I appreciate the sensations, but next, I'll buy a 100% electric.
For silence. As soon as I can find something affordable which doesn't weigh two tons.
Electric car can burn by itself, search how many people dead in electricity car. Electricity car noise actually bother me than ICE engine.
Good luck there! EVs are much heavier than ICE equivalents and will remain that way in the foreseeable future. This helps them cut through highway metal protective barriers like they were made out of butter! The extra weight also requires extra distance to come to a stop during emergency braking. Then it is the issue of catching on fire. But even if none of the above happens to you, if you keep your EV beyond the warranty expiration, get ready to pay a shocking amount to replace the battery. This last issue drives the resale value of EVs down to the ground. So, if money and safety are no problem, go for it! There are some channels with good info on EVs out there. Check them out.
@@Fishbonesailing EVs are more efficient, even considering they are heavier.
I don't work much as a musician, being retired, so I don't need a big car.
And if I travel to Madrid, I'll take the electric... train.
Good video, especially appreciated finally hearing about the experienced reduction in hybrid performance in cold weather. This fact is very seldom mentioned in advertisements and lead people to think gas mileage would be the same in cold weather as warm weather. What was not mentioned are choice of tires making a difference as to their rolling resistance affecting gas mileage. Our Toyota Camry hybrid had Michelin green tires and we experienced 40-50mpg, then switched to regular Michelin tires and went to 35-37mog. So, rolling resistance afforded by the green Michelin made a huge difference.
all batteries under perform in cold weather; this has been since the advent of electric platforms in the early 1900's over ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO! >>>> CLICKBAIT
Are you saying that the hybrid would need special tires to keep the mpg up. Vs. Buying some cheap regular tires would bring the mpg down.? That’s my understanding
@@angelicafigueroa2513 I’m saying that the tires with the lowest rolling resistance will get the better mileage than say a softer tire with possibly a smoother ride. The inference here is a harder tire generally has less rolling resistance than a softer tire. Generally the harder tires have the longest advertised mileage rating and the softer tires wear out faster.
I had a Prius for 7 years, and I really loved it. Maintenance costs were extremely low. By far the biggest cost was what the dealer charged to program the TPMS ever 6 months as they swapped in and out the snow tires. MPG was exactly as advertised (around 49 MPG). During the coldest month of those 7 years (near Boston), fuel efficiency dipped to 42 MPG.
Granted that the hybrid does give a higher mileage, you should have given an approximate estimate of the saving on each model. If the cost is 10% more for the hybrid, does one get an improvement in mileage that is at least 10% or more?
We have a Hybrid Rav4 and a non hybrid RAV4. Th hybrid gets 40mpg the non hybrid get 30mpg. Thats a little over 30% better.
Camry hybrid LE gives 55 mpg with conservative driving. That's vastly more than the non hybrid. If you drive little, it doesn't make sense indeed. If you commute considerable, like me, savings add up
If you pay 10% more for a hybrid, how much or how long does it take to break even with fuel prices? You’re going to save at the pump each time, but you’re also going to pay a higher monthly payment and interest if you finance a higher priced vehicle. You need to look into that as well
a camry hybrid (~50mpg) is $2500 more than the gas version (~35mpg). Also keep in mind fuel prices could go back up to $4+/gal again or if you live in California it is already that much
This is click bait. Nothing shocking here!
If you watch the highly experienced Toyota/Lexus specialist on The Care Care Nut channel,you will see on his forensic teardowns of these hybrid engines that they have head gasket issues and problems with the EGR valve carboning up.There also is extensive wear on the petrol engines at high mileages due he surmises to the repeated stop start cycles required in the hybrid set up.This leads to heavy oil consumption and blow by into the crankcase thereby carboning up the EGR valve.He filmed the EGR replacement which was a major job due to the amount of parts in the way.The plastic inlet manifold also needs replacing as it carbons up badly and is virtually impossible to clean properly.Also in some models a software upgrade is necessary in order to avoid re carbonizing of the new EGR valve.I personally would never buy a hybrid vehicle after watching that video.
That was our experience . I'm shocked by all the positive reviews.
what car, I bet it's a 3rd gen Prius@@filmvi37
Hybrid Highlander Very expensive to repair. We just went back to the basic 4 runner.@@NethirOsman
@@filmvi37 true my apologies and sound like it sucked big time
But somehow. Somehow, Toyota hybrids are seen as extremely reliable and people regularly take them to very high mileages, but internet expert knows better.
The only worry I have with Hybrids (and EVs) is the cost to replace the batteries. Do the dealers offer EXTRA warranty on the battery itself on top of the overall mechanical warranty?
Best of luck with that!
You forgot to mention that hybrids don't have starter motors since the first gear is taken over by the electric motor.
They don't have alternators since regenerative braking produces all the electricity the vehicle needs to keep itself charged.
Since a lot of the braking is done by regenerative braking, the brake pads can easily last 150k miles. You have to replace them every 25k miles on a regular gas powered vehicle.
You should still do an oil change every 5k miles, but that oil won't be as bad since a lot of the work is done by the electric motor when you have a plug in hybrid.
Many are full synthetic and recommended interval is 10k miles…I agree that they are near maintenance/repair free.
Another ownership cost consideration is insurance. Hybrids, then PHEVs, and EVs escalate in cost to insure over a standard gas engine (ICE). A RAV4 is less to insure than the Hybrid version, the Hybrid version is less to insure than the RAV4 Prime (PHEV).
It costs 45 dollars a month for my hybrid escape full coverage, not more than other like vehicles.
As an insurance agent for 20 years I can confirm this is 100% incorrect. In fact, many Carriers offer a discount for hybrids.
Hybrid is the way to go. I drive a Camry hybrid LE and average after 3 years 55 mpg with conservative driving. Warranty on the battery is 10 years 150K miles. I am not even sure if I am going to keep the car that long. Power is ample and the car is quiet. It's not a race car, but for commuting it's perfect. 600 miles on a tank is plenty. I wouldn't want to go back to regular ICE.
I have a gen 3 Prius. My Toyota service manager calls it the "Armageddon" car. It has been problem free other than replacing tires and brakes every 50K miles or so. I have averaged 45 mpg for years without even trying. My regular vehicle is a 2022 RAV4 Prime, which is an amazing AWD tank, while the Prius has become a multi-driver vehicle (my kids) and it is surviving their abuse quite well. Highly recommend Toyota hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles. Best cars I have ever owned.
Question for the field.. I am think of buying a Plug in Hybrid in the future. My question is. IF the battery or electric motor fails can I just keep going on the ICE part of the car for as long as I want?
I have a 2021 Venza and the gentleman in the video is correct, the vehicle does all he says and mo re. However Toyota is not acknowledging the high voltage cable problem that exist and therefore customers that live in winter climates may be hit with a 6 to 8 thousand dollar charge on replacing the cable after the three year warranty is over. My hybrid experience will be short lived.
That’s why I just traded in my 2021 Venza Limited. Bought a gas Highlander Limited. In addition to the cable, Stargaze sunroof has problems, with $ 6,000 bill. Trunk closure grinds.
@@paulstein9258 hey Paul, I still have mine, Toyota has acknowledged the cable issue and is going to warranty it up to eight years as you are probably aware. The only issues with mine to date was a rear piston for the tailgate was making noise. I don’t plan keeping it long term we’ll have to see given the cost of them here in Canada. The highlander is a very nice truck, a truck I believe could last you a long time, good luck with it.
My wife's car is an '18 RAV4 hybrid XLE from new. Great car. One thing I recommend is that Baxter Automotive makes an American made high quality (Acft aluminum) conversion that removes the dumb Toyota oil filter cartridge and replaces it so a regular oil filter cannister (they give you a Wix no.) just screws on. Easy installation. A little pricey at about 250 dollars but worth every penny. Will work on any Toyota with that oil filter paper cartridge. Finally, you made an excellent case not to buy an EV and buy a hybrid.
My 2007 Highlander Hybrid has 210k and going strong. So far no issues.
Thank you
No mention of the Venza hybrid? I love this car except for the no-knob control panel, but I've adapted to it. I've been leasing it since '21 but I plan on keeping it. Great car!
What is the cost factor if you plan to keep a hybrid for about 12 years or more? I assume you have to dispose of original batteries and replace w/new batteries? Wouldn't that be a significant cost to consider?
No my 09 still has the original hybrid battery at 400000 km..
And a good by directional code reader can see into the hybrid system and see issues if any...
hybrid battery can cost around 3000, around every 10 years. the warranty lasts 8, and its not uncommon for them to be good for as long as 15
Toyota hybrids have a 150k mile, 10 year warranty on hybrid battery. Look at the couriers and taxi companies, etc. LOTS of examples with 300k+ miles, original battery.
The hybrid transmission is EXTREMELY reliable, much more reliable than a regular automatic transmission or regular cvt transmission. That's because it is super simple.
Gasoline engines in hybrids are the same, except they don't work as hard.
Also note that Toyota has been perfecting hybrids for nearly 25 years!
Now, the routine maintenance is almost identical to the gasoline version. The only things you need to add is clean/change the battery air filter (super easy for non-mechanics to do), and when you require an engine coolant change, you also change the inventor coolant (easy). Toyota hybrids have no starter, no alternator, no belts, and the brakes last about 2.5 times longer than gasoline cars. And, if the battery does need changed, it is around $4k at the dealer. If that's too much, then an aftermarket battery for a Toyota is around $1,700. And, they are getting cheaper every year. Don't forget the huge fuel savings with Toyota's hybrids. Any other questions, please let me know. I don't own one, but will buy one in the future. I've driven a Highlander Hybrid for a 450 mile trip, and absolutely loved it compared to the V6 Highlander we own. At least 11 mpg more than our V6, and the hybrid acceleration was good. Now, if you don't drive much (less than 8k miles a year), it would be better to get the gasoline only version.
Thought you were going to give me a good reason why I shouldn't have bought my 2022 RAV4 Hyb. 44 mpg and really enjoying it. 😉
I owned a 2022 hybrid Toyota sienna. 1.) I really loved this van until 1. The fuel tank had cracks causing a cap leak that took forever to be found. 2. I was driving one evening and I have never seen so many lights go off flashing stop in half mile. It totally stopped!!! The sending unit fell apart. I am sick of hybrids. I also think people that are of lower socioeconomic they will never afford another used car a d to replace a battery 5-7 k this idea of total electric is nuts. Plus our electric grid cannot afford this deal with all electric vehicles being charged
You realize this was mainly about hybrids? Not total EVs? Non plug in do not take a watt from the grid. (Unless engine battery runs dead). ;) gas tank cracked? If full EV no gas tank? ;). Lights? I just had rear brake sensor fail. Christmas in July. Brake, trac control, ABS, service soon, couple others. $400
yeps you hit the nail right on the head
I have a Ford escape hybrid first generation 2005. It is very reliable and is on the first battery, no brake changes due to regenerative braking and I only need to change the oil, filters, hybrid filter changing is key, and fluids occasionally. This thing is a very low cost vehicle. They last easy 300k. No regrets here!
I love my 2014 Prius V. In fact, the “V” is the best car I’ve ever owned. Other than maintenance, I never had to put $ into this car. I’m waiting for my new RAV 4 XLE to arrive. I ordered the car at the end of December. I’m looking forward to many years of safe, low maintenance driving.
My car before my Rav4 Hybrid was a Prius V. Absolutely do love the Prius V but only downfall was that it beeps going in reverse and its down a bit further. But a brand new Rav4 and I'm now at 8700 miles and I've been the the dealership about a dozen times. And carplay sucks on the Rav4. I do miss my Prius V but it does seem like Toyotas aren't as reliable as they once were.
What a great video, man you must be killing it in your industry
If you plan on keeping your Toyota for longer than 3 years, get your oil changed every 5K miles, no matter what Toyota states, even if you have to pay for some of them. Every Toyota mechanic, and every other mechanic, will tell you that. 10K oil changes are selling points, but not reality or good for the engine.
Disagree with the podcast's conclusions provided you don't abuse these cars and do the maintenance. I can only speak for Toyota hybrids. Owned three hybrid Priuses. My wife's a real estate broker and put 180 to 200,000 mi on them before ever having battery issues which is the only issue we have with his cars. Battery rebuilding and replacement is not very expensive nowadays. Huge savings on the gas. We don't think about gas cost anymore driving Toyota hybrids.
Cars were well maintained with oil filter changes. Every 5000 mi and transmission oil changed every 30 to 35,000 miles. You make money with these things using the standard mileage deduction on your tax returns.
I've had a '23 RAV4 Limited Hybrid ordered for about 6 weeks. I've been working with 2 dealers in west central and central Iowa and have actually turned down 3 new RAV4s because of color & optional packages that I didn't want. Our first choices for color are red, white & magnetic gray, in that order and we prefer the light gray interior. I found out last week that they located one like we want in magnetic gray, that just arrived @ the port from Japan. It should be here sometime next week. Our name is officially on it so unless there's something we don't like about it we've decided we'll take it (unless a red or white on shows up too.) 6 weeks ago we were told by both dealers that it would probably take 12 months for one to show up. and in the last 2 weeks, 4 have come available.
Same situation here in Colo- dealers are so full of BS
I ordered my RAV XLE hybrid in December. I’m picking up my RAV today July 19. I turned down a RAV in May because I didn’t want a gray car. I brought my 2014 Prius V from A1 Toyota in New Hsven, CT as well as the RAV. They didn’t charge me over the MRSP. Great dealership.
I absolutely love my 2022 Toyota Rav 4 hybrid SE in calvary blue 💙💙💙💙💙
Dealer’s and Salesman are taught to miss represent the true facts, do to making the sale at that moment in time.
You guys are lucky to recieve your orders so quickly. Here in Australia the wait times are insane. I ordered a RAV4 Hybrid Edge 23 many months ago. Near $67k in value. Was told a 1 year wait...
I watched your video and it was very informative, but I am still waiting for the "SHOCKING" part. I didn't see anything "SHOCKING" at all. What did you mean by that?
In my case I just ordered a new Corolla LE gas because it gets 40mpg and in 15 years it won’t need a very expensive new hybrid battery. But to each there own
That CVT transmission is dog water though
@@darwinbodero7872 to what extent?
@@darwinbodero7872 it is an eCVT not a CVT like in a nissan. Likely will outlast a traditional automatic
@@JD-yx7beA gas only Corolla has a belt CVT like a Nissan. The hybrid CVT only has the name in common
9 years with a Toyota Auris TS (corolla touring sports) and it has cost me nothing but yearly maintenance. About 200 each year. That's nothing compared to German/french cars I previously owned. And I still get 1 more year of warranty, (so 10 in total!) NO car manifacturer has ever given me such easy of mind. It's the most reliable thing I ever owned.
We purchased a 2012 Toyota Prius with 1 mile on it. It is still a great car--there is over 230k miles on it and runs nice. However, the recommended maintenance from Toyota SHOULD be ignored! Do not wait past 5k miles to do your oil changes. We had to replace the top of the engine because of carbon build up. And there were many Prius's around the same year in the shop for these same reasons. And yes, we kept all the regular maintenance up on this car but we listened to the dealer and went past 5k to change the oil. Also, YES, you get way better gas in a hybrid but you will still be at the gas station often since the gas tank is so small. Overall, our Toyota is a great vehicle, get your oil changed every 5k miles, and do not think you will be at the gas station every two weeks.
Toyota hybrid cars, like other hybrids, often have a tendency for carbon buildup due to their unique engine characteristics. Since hybrid engines frequently switch between electric and internal combustion modes, they might not always reach the temperatures needed to burn off carbon deposits. This can lead to more carbon buildup compared to traditional internal combustion engines that consistently operate at higher temperatures. Regular maintenance and driving patterns can influence this issue.
Not true if the Toyoto hybrid engine has the D-4S gas injection system that avoids carbon build up.@@zeehng5736
Those maintainance intervals are designed to get you through warranty and to cause premature failure in the near future. Cut them by 25% at least after warranty.
I have a 2012 PriusC. It cost 1500 to replace the hybrid battery at180k miles. I replaced the front brake pads. I got those at autozone for cheap. Most of what I have replaced is body parts from old people backing into me, and hitting stop signs.
You didn’t provide any cost difference…nothing shocking about your video.
Clickbait nonsense
Thank you I have been considering the cross hybrid for my next car. This assures me.
Great great choice
The combined mpg rating for a rav4 is 35 mpg for a standard and 38 mpg for a hybrid. The base price of a hybrid is $3000 more. At 20,000 miles per year the hybrid will use 50 gallons less of gasoline. At $4 per gallon that is a massive savings of $200 per year so it only takes 15 years before you actually start saving money on fuel. Awesome 😂
You did a better job discussing the topic than this guy. Thanks 😊
Something missing in your math! Rating is for constant freeway mile at 35mpg, not jamming not city driving ect.. so 30 is average for a none hybrid.
ETA 2026?
Currently used hybrids in south africa are same price as petrol vehicles
Great! That's right about the time you will need a battery replacement.
Thanks for your insights. I’m trying to decide right now between a hybrid and a gas only vehicle, and your video is very helpful. I had a question, however: What if you only usually drive your car once or twice a week to run short errands? Is that bad for the battery life? Would people in those situations be better advised to buy a gas only vehicle?
Cable corrosion issue known as ‘CableGate’?
This fact was left out 😂
Fixed already, get yourself updated
The very reason we are opting for a Honda. Live in an area where lots of road salt is used wintertime and I don't want to be worrying about that issue. Fixed? That's actually yet to be determined, isn't it? I'm seeing people with newer hybrid Toyotas still reporting the problem. It's def one of those issues that matters more depending on where you live.
@@XX_XXX_TPK Yes - mine is now fixed but cost $6000 CAD to fix and 5 week wait for the parts last fall. Buyers beware.
@@Ryan-cf6lcWas it fixed under warranty ?
Which engine is in the RAV4 non-hybrid, and which engine is in the Hybrid? And what is the difference between these two engines?
Hybrid is not quite reliable much, in term of service maintenance. Mostly cost more than regular combustion engine which requires more works and more complicated system runs into it.
2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid. 370 k. Oil air filter tires. 1 brake job thats it. It's saved me $$ so far.
Dealers are asking 10-15 more for hybrid. How many years of driving would it take to make that savings up. Also, if you have a shorter commute, the batteries will deteriorate much faster, as the vehicle will not be able to top off the charge. There’s also the CVT which I really dislike. Should have mentioned that in this very biased video.
In the RAV4, which is what he reviewed, the price is about ~$3k more than the non-hybrid but it includes AWD which is about a ~$1.5k option on the non-hybrid if you want/need it. I’ve been shopping in middle TN and what I’m finding is that the dealer markup on the hybrids is about 500-1000 more than non. None of that comes anywhere near the 10-15 extra you are quoting. Perhaps its different where you live. Obviously if you have a shorter commute then the math on the hybrid would not make sense for you. I find your comment like 100 times more biased than his pretty even handed video.
@@williamfrench9973 you find it 100 times more biased because you don’t know what the prices are where I live. I’ve seen numerous examples around my area where it, certainly, is not. He is sitting in a RAV 4, but rarely mentions the Rav. He does repeat Hybrid Toyota many time, and feel the video was not directly related to Rav. Because he does mention that you will have to wait for hybrid, dealers are astronomically marking these up. I have done the research in my area and ended up going with the XSE.
I’ve just opened cargurus in my province and the first one to come up was a ‘21 highlander with 45 K for 69,899. So I guess there’s that. I would consider that a significant markup. It’s the unavailability that’s driving them up.
@@johnbaker2648 Actually, my comment about you being more biased was a separate issue from the markup. YOU don’t like cvt. YOU mention highly questionable negatives about hybrid batteries. That is what I found biased. I acknowledged in my comment that prices might be different where you live and apparently they are. And I acknowledge that hybrids are not worth the investment if you don’t drive very much. But the fact remains, for the AVERAGE consumer, hybrids will represent a total lower cost of ownership for most. And, there is a groundswell of know-nothing wanna be conservatives out there who despise any vehicle that isn’t a conventional ICE for the simple reason that liberals seem to like them… So I am a little sensitive to criticism that seems to be based somewhere other than plain hard facts. That would be my bias.
@@williamfrench9973 I tend to keep politics out of any view I post. Politically, you and I may have more in common than you might think. I did purchase a 4 cyl non hybrid, but if it made financial sense for me to purchase hybrid, I certainly would have. It just didn’t and take exception to the many that believe it to be stupid to purchase anything other than hybrid. Fact is, most forums give the non hybrid a fail, so I’m guilty of being a little sensitive my self. The CVT is my opinion, only. I’ve driven enough CVTs to know I don’t enjoy the drive or the way it accelerates. Historically, they have been more trouble than non-cvts. But again, nothing more than my opinion. Hybrids are great if they fit your lifestyle and are not being overcharged. But I’m tired of apologizing for owning a straight 4.
I think I just got extorted by a Toyota dealership. I bout a new Prius Prime last weekend, and while I didn't feel comfortable with the final deal, I went with it. Then came the last guy that has you sign all the paperwork, and he presents us with a bunch of extended care options. The one that REALLY surprised me was the built-in anti-theft system. He basically tols us that unless we paid an additional $600 they would disable the antitheft system that was already on the car. I have been buying Toyotas with built-in anti-theft systems for over 25 years, I have NEVER been dinged extra for it. The idea that I had to pay extra OR THEY WOULD DISABLE THIS FEATURE stunned me.
The car is still on the boat, I have not taken delivery yet. I feel so pissed I might cancel the deal (other reasons to cancel also exist.) Does the anti-theft system, functional, come standard with Toyotas any more? Is there any validity to them claiming they will disable it if I don't pay? I mean, jeez, the cost out the door is about $50K, do they really need to extort more?
I would definitely try another dealership!
When it speaks to tightening the "propeller shaft bolts" are they talking about the drive shaft?Also, do the brakes on Toyota Hybrids last longer than non hybrid models. I would think with regenerative braking the vehicle would slow down on it's own even without applying the brakes.
All correct points yes
We will be keeping our 2018 non hybrid RAV4 for a very long time. Still rides like it is brand new.
I leave a Camry "up north" every winter up to 7 months at a time unused for the duration. I am suspicious about leaving any hybrid that long.
The first thing you mentioned was that a hybrid will save on gas. One other thing you mentioned was the hybrid cost more.
My question is; will you ever save enough money at the pump to justify the additional cost of purchasing a hybrid?
Love our corolla cross, but unfortunately you can not park it for more then 2 weeks without running it. We left for a month and found the battery dead upon our return. For us, a plug in hybrid would have been a better choice.😮
Wait, what?! Hybrids can’t be parked for a long time? 🤔
@@ladye2818Toyota dealership told me to start the car at least once a week.
Hybrids are ment to be driven you park it the 12volt battery drains because this Hybrids have no alternators but inverters to charge the 12volt battery
Drip Charger?
@@ImagineTruth Our apartment complex does not allow car chargers.
I know nothing about hybrids, so please help me understand. Is he saying that hybrid cars have 2 engines that completely switch places while in motion so that one turns off absolutely so it doesn't wear out as quickly?
So what’s “shocking” ?
Good honest video that lays it on the line. usually hard to find.
Still boggles my mind that Toyota bothers to put a vvt + dual injection engines on the base Corolla hybrids (1.8L and 2.0L). Maximizing efficiency, and still one of the most reliable engines around. Glad they haven't cheapen their engines and gone with a 3-cylinder turbo.
I just purchased 2025 Honda Crv - Hybrid Sport L AWD and I love it. The only thing that I hate is the AVAS system when the car is in reversed. It is a safety feature for hearing impaired people or just people to hear that you’re in reverse because the car is so quiet. You can’t even hear it when it’s on. The ride is spectacular.
Hybrid = More cost to purchase, more cost for license plates, more cost for service, more cost for battery replacement, doesn’t last as long as a non-hybrid. Oh yeah, but it saves money on gas !! Kinda like paying 3 times the cost for a Tesla, spend money on a home charging station so you can brag about saving money on gas. I say no thanks to hybrid & electric cars. I’ll stick with my Honda that gets 40 mpg on the highway & will last many years longer than hybrid or electric.
Robert, what model Honda is that?
@@mehrtasholson Honda Civic ( non-turbo)
I get 51 MPG with my 2023 Altima 2 FWD on flat highway doing 60 MPH.
@@faiolapatthat's pretty impressive. Usually you need a hybrid to reach that kind of mpg. I'm from Canada and drove my 2009 Hyundai elantra to Connecticut during the summer, I was amazed to get 38mpg with 3 adults and luggages for 3 people in the car.
Not true
I have a 2010 Prius 200,000 miles that uses no oil I have done no maintenance repairs to the vehicle yet I'm going to keep it for 10 more years
have a 2022 Rav4 limited Hybrid love it 43.2 MPG
that is amazing that you are getting the mpg of a sub compact car of the 80s in a crossover with 3x the hp
We own a 2021 Hybrid Venza. Drove to Washington State from California when it only had 1500 miles. We averaged 48 mpg on the trip. We now have 17,500 miles and still get 42.3 mpg around town. We do wish we had more front seat travel. I change oil every 4000 miles 0W-16.
My daughter owns one and over the last 6 years it's been incredibly cheap to run. Was second hand 3 years old. She owes nothing , it's all hers. It worries me as to what happens next. So far so good.
Thanks, I love our RAV4 Hybrid and RAV4 prime. However, when new I change the oil much sooner than the first recommended. On the Prime we collected the first oil change and a metallic looking layer was obvious on the surface. The manual also states certain conditions (short trips to the store especially) may require a different schedule for longevity.
Changed my wife’s 2024 Lexus NX350h at 1k miles, then just did the 5k miles change yesterday. From now on it is 5k miles OCI. Same routine I did on my 2017 ES350 and my son’s 08 RX350.