Ben Foster REVEALS all of the 'dark arts' in football that players use! 😱
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Changes that would make football so much better to watch:
- refs actually enforcing the 6 seconds rule for goalkeepers, and counting as soon as they have control of the ball
- stop clock, even if it means reducing the game to 70 or 80 minutes, the time wasting and inconsistency with added time is super annoying as a spectator.
- offside to be judged by the feet and nothing else, obvious solution that barely gets talked about for some reason
- replace current English officials with literally anyone with a triple digit IQ, would be a massive improvement over what we have currently
- mic up the referees and VAR so we actually have a clue as to what’s going on
The offside feet rule wouldn’t work because it could only be applied for var, the other 90% of offsides that dont lead to goal thats just judged by the linemen it would make it impossible for them to just look at the feet
I don't agree on the first one. It should only be considered when the intention is malicious, and most of the times, it might just be the keeper trying to get a get a good hold under pressure or looking for a good pass.z
6 second rule needs enforcing. Saying that, I play as a GK and I have on countless occasions dropped on the ball when I didn’t need to just to waste a few seconds. Got compared to Jordan Pickford by one opponent 🤣
Offside is meant to be any part of the body that the player can score with. Which is why VARs are incompetent. Giving offside cos his elbow’s off? You can’t score with your elbow!!! 🤦🏻♂️
Don’t think a stop-clock should be used to stop time-wasting, referees just need to clamp down on it.
There isn't a 6 second rule
@@HHh-ug4oe there is
There is a difference between diving and going down easily.
One is inventing a foul, pure cheating, the other is because referees don't give fouls if you stay on your feet.
Why is creating a foul cheating?
@@jaywilliams6250 for the same reason that falsely reporting a crime is a crime
@@jonnyharding3646 it’s sport mate it’s not that deep
@@jaywilliams6250 to be fair you asked a stupid question so naturally the answer was too
@@kevint1607 if you can trick the ref then you’re just making a smart play imo
Love Ben foster great guy and personality comes across well,love his podcast aswell 💪
Bent is underrated on this radio show.
He barely says a word. Expect to agree with someone. Maybe I’m wrong. If your enjoy him more power to you 👍🏻
Hello darren bent lol
I love the term 'dark arts'.... covers everything from pretending to help someone up while standing on their foot to substitutes taking 10 minutes to go off 😁
Fantastic banter! We need to raise more awareness of Football Dark Arts.
All three are decent lads - really enjoy listening to them. Great banter too
Not all of them. There is a reason why Bent kept getting sold.
@@starrage7926 targeted
@@starrage7926 should we call you Karen
@@starrage7926 rubbish
Ben Foster: "not one dive in the women's game did I see!"
Guessing he didn't watch England vs Norway and Ellen White's swan-like performance.
Just shows everyone is pretending like they adore womens football.
@@VR46314 Yep, all 87+ thousand in Wembley for the final were just pretending to enjoy it.
@@TwoBeatsApart the didn't pay to go so
@@TwoBeatsApart no, I don't think that's what he's getting at, I think he's referring to the fact that you can't day anything negative about it, because if you criticise any part, even where it's perfectly due, you'd be cashed a sexist. It's that you have to over applaud it, & act like it's perfect, but the fact that he didn't see that, unless he forgot, shows he isn't watching it but just saying what he has to for tv (I know it's too but you get what I mean),
@@TwoBeatsApart with dirt cheap tickets with buy two get one half price, no mens football on , in brilliant weather and with 112 schools attending …. Don’t be fooled
Southampton,Wolves and then Everton became masters of it last season.
It wouldn't surprise me if they had a training session in 'game management'.
Almost every match they stopped the match at about one hour to take instructions and then kill the game.
Ben Foster is such a likeable fella.
My Football manager when we was in the u13 tournament before every game... "If you get touched in the box, go down" 🤣🤣🤣
Southampton's "injury" break around minute 60-70
I love Andy’s hypothetical questions 😂😂😂
I like Ben Foster but if the playing time is down to 50 minutes the game is broken
everyone complains until England wins a Worldcup by time wasting in the last 20 mins with the lead. the point is, its only acceptable when your favorite team uses it to win right?
Foster is one of the more intelligent pundits i've ever seen
Bent is very good too
Not really a dark art but Pep's tactic of quick innocuous fouling to let his team get back in shape n break the rhythm of the opposition goes under the radar.
It very very effective.
Liverpool do it too. In fact everyone does it but certain styles make it more prominent and some teams better at it. But think cynical no attempt at ball fouls anywhere should be yellow.
Sometimes you get held back but could stay on feet. Saw a foul on Arsenal player and he got fouledc3 tomes didn't go down and kept ball but attack stopped. Foul in threatening position and ref say play on, no advantage. Refs are morons. Sorry they can't make sensible decisions in moment.
It's a dark art. We need to raise more awareness of Football Dark Arts.
Bruno Fernandes takes acting classes- clutches his eye= his head- rolls over- dives- holds his ankle- his big toe- his arm- his neck - his nose!
I'm a united fan and I cringe every time he does that, I can't stand it or the whingeing.
Good bloke Foster, shame he didn't get much of a chance at United, had a pretty decent career.....
He’d get in ahead of your captain at CB tbf
Wasn't good enough for united, doesn't matter if he's a nice bloke 🤷♂️
@@ReverZe83 what the hell is wrong with you
The dark arts, so to speak, has been going on for years. Leeds were the masters of it in the 70s, George Graham's arsenal, they were all at it. Even pep's teams do if, of course they do. It's a thing that all top teams do, it's part of the game.
Do I like it, not particularly. But there's nothing I can do and it won't change so I just muddle along
Fantastic banter! We need to raise more awareness of Football Dark Arts.
Man Utd mentality. Win at all costs. Scumbags for a reason. Bruno should’ve had a second booking for holding on to the ball after the goal
But it was uniteds to restart why did Salah try to take it
Bruno had a great game
@@davidmc446 To bring it back to the centre spot but he obviously wanted to waste some time. Yes his performance was the best he had all season however those antics makes him one of the most hated players in the league at the moment (lots of people are saying that)
@@amakky1989 he done well for his team he was right to keep the ball
Liverpool pool do all that stuff as well Salah dives all the time they all waste time
Why is a big deal being made because Bruno done it
@@davidmc446 Not really. And I do call Liverpool players for that as well. Bruno is just a moaner and does it all the time. Captain or not always complaining to referees. It seems that you’re a Man Utd fan but if you look at it objectively you’ll agree
@@amakky1989 liverpool are one of the worst offenders of what you just stated. Do anything to win, scumbags. Sounds a little like projecting to me mate.
Tony Pulis is a legend 🙌 of the game. Even know people keep talking about him and stoke under him
Benty + Fozzy Bear is a festival of feel good
It would help loads the stop clock. Players would stop doing it they go home early for the same money. Class
Referees want objectivity in the game. The problem with that is the rules you end up with are what you see today. A foul is measured by if there was contact with the player, not how much contact is made. Players dive because they know that. If you want less simulation, then refereeing has to be open to interpretation.
It was World Cup 2002 where Owen won that penalty against the Argies. Whether it was a 'dive' by Owen it was payback after the Columbian Cold King Maradona cheated in the 1986 World Cup
Smith Roe goal at Old Trafford where D.D got kicked by a utd player and he just collapsed as ESR shinned it off his left
That’s hardly dark arts. Not his fault that utd’s players are so clumsy
@@James-jl4jt he was talking about goalies lying on the floor while the game is still playing mate ......I was commenting about that I forgot to add the timestamp
I like Ben but 'If it aint broke, don't fix it', you just said some games are 50 minutes of in play action, so it obviously is broken. Having the time stop like is Rugby isn't even hard to implement. You implement it and it works straight away...
My god. Liecester won the title by being the master of the dark arts. The "dark arts" go a lot further than feigning injury. It is deeply entrenched in the game. Watch every corner kick in every game and there are at least 10 fouls being committed every time. Both by forwards and defenders. The game can not be officiated because that is an impossibility. The amount of importance that is attached to the whole game is ridiculous.
'Penalties are easy, you literally can't lose' Wise words from Ben Foster :D
You know he meant this from a keepers POV
Easiest penalty he ever saved was probably from Talksport’s very own Jamie O’Hara
Shearer scored the penalty v Argentina in ‘98, not Beckham
He meant the 2002 world cup match
I think if a player is found out to be simulating and VAR catches a player out trying to either win a penalty or get a player sent off (Gordon against Villa pretending he had been hit in the face for example) then it should be a red card. Would soon stop all the cheating.
I said that a decade ago, when they eventually made diving a yellow card offender & everyone applauded, I said but enough, it's cheating ffs, bar the intent to injure someone (violent conduct), it's the wrist thing in the game, yet if things get a little heated & you just place your head against someone elses (in nit taking head but), that's a red, or a late tackle it accidentally having your fit a bit high & catching sunshine even when your focus was on the ball, ridiculous
I could watch these 3 talk all day
I feel that despite what they say, if it's the 95th minute of the world cup, it's 0-0 and there's contact they'd go down. But also if the opposition defender makes contact, in the 95th minute, inside the penalty box while you're facing away from the goal..... then they probably deserve to be punished.....
There's a difference between going down easy if there's contact & diving
It’s called shithousery
Biggest cringe term
@@darrylkemp3253 use your words like an adult
@@bluemoon1716 i use your mum like an adult
Goldstein - taking the ball into the corner is not a dark art. The ball is in play and it’s sensible game management.
as a defender, i'd never dive and try to get up as quickly as possible. having a freekick from back there is no bother, and the team needs you harder if foul is not called, props Ben
First it was deemed only Johnny Foreigners did it, so it was called " cheating" now the English Do it, so " Game Management" & if it's a Foreigner " Dark Arts " But Englishmen do you remember Dirty Dirty Leeds from the 70s? What were they?
Dark arts ? 😂 more like gamesmanship, dark arts was when you were defending a corner and you got stabbed in the back of the leg with a safety pin 🤣🤣
No
@@elliotstone2764 care to elaborate ?
🤣🤣🤣 Pepe and Ramos. MAn did a job on Salah
@@Anonassassin 🤣 true
from a forest fan, hearing them speak about samba was perfect. A forest Legend.
Shorten it to 40 min half’s with a stop clock. Almost guaranteed 80 mins of football .. simple ..
Stopclock with 60 minutes of play would work, but it won't happen because of the perception that it shortens the game
I hate the term ‘dark arts’. Just call it what it is, cheating. Little things players know are against the rules and spirit of the game but they know they can get away with it.
It’s not cheating mate. Stop crying
Your tears taste lovely mate
This is Manchester United we’re talking about here.
It's not cheating. Ramos and Pepe did distateful stuff all the time that were completely legal. Just ask Salah
I absolutely hate Phil Foden, I hate the man with a burning passion for his simulations, you bring it up there... He was simulating injury after being tackled, rolled around 10 times, realizes he's not on the pitch, rolls back on to continue simulation, and the ref has to stop the play. I spit on such things... zero respect. Mason Mount does it for Chelsea too. god, I hate the newest generation of England internationals!
Luis Suárez also used the dark arts, but in a different way and you all hated him for it.
I once saw a player miss a penalty on purpose because it wasn't a penalty. they didn't want to win unfairly, so he missed on purpose after being "fouled". I remember that, I just don't remember who it was, lets look it up on youtube... was it Klinsmann? or Klose? I think it was a German.
so why didn’t u include man salah burno Fernandez Jesus or the rest of the prem you single out them?
Did u see him simulate the neck choke challenge from Casemiro in UCL SF 2nd leg ??that was incredible. It looked so real !!
Well,then u must hate Fernandez,salah,neymar passionately,coz these players dive 1000 times more than foden
There's far worse than foden in the league for diving, absolutely
Salah, Bruno Fernandes. I hate diving but it's part of the game and we have to accept that
@@killiemucken wtf are you smoking lad? Salah? He had something like 3 x more touches in opponents box with 2 x more fouls committed against him and 50% less fouls ACTUALLY given towards him, than anyone else towards the end of last season…. ignorance smh. I forgot the exact stats, but they were ridiculously skewed statistics.
Do some research before you just throw hate against your biggest rival 🤓🤡🤡
He gets very small amounts of fouls given to him in general- fact.
These three could have their own show
Lately keepers holding the ball for like 2minutes is annoying
@Benjamin Linnes me personally? Nothing bro haha who do you think I am? But they use to book them. When did the 6 second rule change?
Football really need to change their rules, on a corner kick it can be 20 fauls at the same time but if you lay a finger on the back of a wing back it's almost always a free kick. We need better rules and any dive should be direct red card if you rolling back on the pitch or anything unsportsmanlike you get a red directly. The premier league really needs to work on financial fair play as well, wage cap and transfer cap is needed otherwise the Arabic clubs will just take over everything
They're a difference between dark arts & cheating, driving is cheating, your trying to con the referee (a la Luis Suarez & Jamie bardy), going diem if you've had real contact, even if you could start up, is not the end of the world, though I don't like when strikers kick the ball away from goal then leave a trailing leg to touch the Gk & get a pen. Keeping the ball in the corner & cynical found aren't great, they're not part of the purists have, but are perfectly acceptable & understandable
As a defender, I hate how even ‘world class’ stickers can miss easy chances and no one complains, but if u make 1 bad mistake at the back, it’s a different story
Get Ben on more he’s great.
Enjoyed this. Not sure about no England women diving at all.
TalkSPORT should seriously consider replacing dross like sawyer, Goldstein, o hara, cundy, gabby, Jim white, Saunders etc. with fresh blood like foster
Fernandes is the worst in the league for diving and going down. Should be arrested for it.
Arrested 🤣😭
Lol.....Its Sterling
As for the stop clock, please no. Agree with all the ideas but it could lead to constant ads as if they're not bad enough as is.
Two premier league greats with bags of experience let's talk hypothetical questions all evening
10 seconds into the video I'm forced to watch a 20 second ad🤣🤣adios
“The game will go too long” then change it lol. If the average game is about 60 minutes of live ball. Then do a 60 minute stopping clock
Ben , it is broken coz the allocated time is not the time played. The time wasted on throw ins and corners is far too much a stop clock would change that .
1) 98??? Not even close! WC2002 beckham pen. And 2) that wolves keeper does the dive thing after HE plows through a player 30 times a season
As an American fan I can tell you that the way the clock is handled in soccer drives me nuts. It’s so dumb. And the stoppage time system is a joke
no need to include where you are from
Dude it’s like taking a knee when they are no timeouts adapt lol 😂
Would you suggest we have a stop clock with a commercial add break lasting 7 minutes after every 2 minute "play" 😂
@@mikem8211 Lmao we all hate the commercials man don’t get me wrong, but you know what I like? Actually knowing how much time is left in the game…not guessing and hoping the ref is keeping accurate stoppage time ( which they never ever do)
@@_DennisNjenga It provides context, I’m from America so Ive been watching American sports my whole life (most of which have a clock that starts/stops) really not sure why that would bother you buddy 🤣
Mendy successfully stayed down and goal got disallowed
No Ben with VAR simulations are always more and more. Little contact? In the ground. Maybe we can call it emphasyzation
The one they need to get rid of is players on the team that's winning going down with "cramp" on 88 minutes. None of them have cramp. Winds me up that the commentators always go along with this cramp nonsense too.
Completely agree mate
Ever you've ever played sport. Some people cramp every game & others don't.
@@mrbeanie5314 and it just so happens that every single time its the team that is winning by a goal in the dying embers that has players go down with cramp?
It's funny how the team that is a goal down never seem to have the same issue. It must be the biggest coincidence
@@Matthew-bu7fg Well a player wouldn't go down with cramp at the start of the game. Might be a coincidence or might not be. Regardless, the ref adds the time back so it really makes no difference. Just slows the game down.
@@mrbeanie5314 the ref never adds the time on 😂 a player can feign cramp for 2 minutes and there will still be just 3 added mins 😂
Just voted for you Fozzy for best RUclips show !! 🤣👏👏😉
I used a stopwatch on a premier league match the ball was in play 42 minutes .
The thing is all teams do it.
Jeez that guy is a right helmet
Honestly yellow cards for people diving always, hopefully that stops the diving
Ospina gets fake Injured almost every match.
The women’s game is still developing just you give it a couple more years and wait and you see people diving all over the place
Very true . Another thing to add is that the women's game is much slowly so a dive/stimulation would be obvious.
The prize and stakes aren't as high
@@mikem8211 im not sure about this one, maybe theres truth to that. But look at female track athletes, they cheat just as much too, how many have straight been caught doping well known outlawed substances. Maybe as the game develops more and theres more stakes, people just become people lol
@@island97 funny enough ive been watching womens football the major tourneys for last 10years, the game has definitely got faster and slightly more technical. With more popularity and money to win i think we will see the dark arts coming in, we’ve seen this female track athletes, cheating and doping
jeez 50 or 60 minutes how have i not noticed this
Honour is all but fading in the game
Stop clock is a solution but ultimately what is the issue with the games like this. It seems like it’s a solution to a non existent problem
Darren is spot on about England fans being alright with it if it won them a tournament. Football is full of hypocrite fans. If their team takes ages and wastes time to secure three points, they’re all for it, but if another team does it, then suddenly, the game is gone! Also, I’ve noticed that known divers like Mo Salah, barely go down in the box anymore, because of VAR. if it’s stopped players like him diving then I’m all for it.
There is no justification for pure diving no matter the game and I can't believe I have to say this. If referee's were stronger and didn't buckle from the pressure we would hardly see diving. Certain players will do whatever they can to gain an advantage and because of inept officiating diving is commonplace
Pickford done it in world v columbia
How Fernandez wasn't sent off against Liverpool beggars belief.
Harry Potter has entered the chat.
whenever VAR is involved thats when the clock should stop
Every game i have ever watched there are players doing some sort of time wasting so i am not really bothered by it. i think it evens out.
Foster shuts down the stop clock idea without any thought for the fans who pay ridiculous amounts of money to watch football games. I pay over £700 for my season ticket and should expect to see 90 minutes of football at every game, not 60.
Get ben on permanently!
They were diving left and right in the Women’s Euros Final, did he even watch the final?
I was at that WBA Spurs game. Foster should of had 20 yellow cards for time wasting. Since he started when they scored at around 6th min. Frustrating as hell. I blame the ref more, an early yellow would of stopped it.
madrid was masters at it and clean at doing it
"Dark Arts" meaning grown adult Men acting like Children. Also, time wasting ruins the game. If the clock was stopped none of this ridiculous behavior would take place. Players would not be wasting time as much because wasting time isn't needed. Play 30 to 35 minute halfs with the clock stopping on dead balls. The game would be exactly as long as 90 minute games.
I agree with stopping the clock, but should just play 40 min halfs, no need for added time because the clock is stopped. Just like Rugby. Professional footballers are fit enough to play 80 mins with the ball in play, and would be a much better watch.
Isn’t the extra time at the end of every match the result of the official stopping his clock for any dead ball then start it again after the ball has been kicked. Idk so I’m asking, but don’t corners, goal kicks etc all contribute to the amount of extra time? How the officials figure out the amount of extra minutes after 90 has always been a mystery to me. Sometimes it seems like it would be 15 min because of injury etc, but it’s always seems less than expected or more when expecting little.
@@Loop1977 I see what you're saying and yes technically games should be 15 to 20 minutes longer considering how much dead ball time there is. But what happens in games is time wasting and if the clock stopped players wouldn't need to waste time anymore or the team that's losing wouldn't get so angry about the winning team wasting time. The Ref would no longer control the time. The game would end exactly on time. We would also possibly get buzzer beating goals with everyone knowing exactly how much time is on the clock. It would create so much excitement for the fans and improve the sport.
@@Bodhi594 I agree it would eliminate the shithousery, actually in America the NCAA div 1 futbol does a countdown and stops the time on dead balls just like you said. I watched one college game this year not all of it never saw end of half or end of game just bits and pieces and I was wondering why the clock was in reverse. I’m just now remembering that. They wouldn’t be doing it if it didn’t make for more excitement, maybe it will gain some momentum.
@@Loop1977 Yeah college football does do that. I live here in the US. Yes, our Profesional Sports leagues all count down not up except for the MLS. Took me a bit to get used to seeing the clock not stop and count up when I first started watching Football. But I do really think if Football in Europe tried experimenting with clock stoppage it would make the game so much more controlled. They would have to cut the time of the game clock to around 30 to 35 minute halfs. What would also be nice is everyone in the stadium and at home would know exactly how much time is on the clock. No more of the Ref just adding time whenever He wants or blowing the whistle whenever He wants when the game is over.
Take for example the City vs Atletico Champions League game. The 2nd game of that tie was a complete disaster and I think it had to do with time wasting and also Atletico panicking because on every dead ball they were trying to get City to hurry up. With a stopped clock everyone can relax a bit and the game will feel much more controlled. Just my opinion on the whole thing. 🤷
I'm sorry but this was inherited. British players of the past did not involve themselves in the same behaviour 🤔 😳
I don't mean all dark arts but in particular: the push by players to get opponent's sent off, the cheating by diving and simulation most of all. This was always used by foreign teams at world cups and euros, but with the premier league being what it is and the importation of superb and class foreign players over the years - cheating crept in. Now we see British players do it regular. It stinks. Simulation is a joke it's cheating.
Remember what Ronaldo done to Rooney? Remember José Mourinho highlighted his compatriots cheating as the way theynbrought up (diving etc) then poor graeme souness getting dug for talking about South American diving etc. The Argentina players over the years and south Americans in particular the simulations, portugués like José called out, Italy even.
You know we are in a bad situation when people have to apologise for telling the truth. I know the host apologised on his behalf but not the point
Again, the problem is reffing. Players dive and embellish because the refs even with VAR are crap.
English players and media word it differently depending on their agenda.
For example: an English player wastes time as a sub or throw in = good game management. A foreign player does it and it becomes time wasting and something the ref needs to address.
Another example is: An english player dives or intentionally hurts an opponent and it becomes crafty and dark arts creeping into the english game. Yet a foreign player does it and they are labelled a cheat etc.
Cup Final, last minute I'm diving , sorry 🤷♂️
Oooooh that’s a low blow,”mickeymouse trophies “😜🤣
Andy "hypothetical" Goldstein
20 yellows and how many reds?
Refs need to stop pandering and book people deliberately trying to spoil the game
At Madrid are boring!
Just get rid, we all know what players do to bend the rules - so adjust the rules to stop it from happening, so on and so on.. I don't watch football to see all the different ways used to stop playing football.
You can really tell the guy asking the questions has never played a competitive 11 a side game before - not even a school game lol
If he belittled my entire career I'd smack him with my goalkeeper sized hand
Cristian Romero the king of dark arts. The guy is nasty.
These hypotheticals are ridiculous omg
Ben Foster; "Lionesses are world class at shithousery" Jim White would have been on him. Goldstein asleep at the wheel
So much for ALL OF THE DARK ARTS....
Liverpool won't win anything trophy without Sadio Mane this season mark my words