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Research-ஏ பண்ண கூடாதுனு எப்படி சொல்லலாம்? | Dushyanth Sridhar's Explaination on Ramayana Book
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எப்பொருள் யார் யார் வாய் கேட்பினும் அப்பொருள் மெய்ப்பொருள் காண்பது அறிவு.....
மெய் பொருள் காணவேண்டூமானால் நாம் மெய்யுணரவேண்டும்.
அந்த நிலை அடைந்து விட்டால் இப்படி வித்யாசபடுத்தி நோண்டத்தோன்றாது.
@@muthusubramaniank3130 மெய் என்றால் உண்மை என்று ஒரு பொருள் உண்டு. இப்படி தான் ஒரு வாரத்தைக்கு பல பொருள்கள் உண்டு.
@@User01029
மெய்யுணர்வு ௭ன்றால்,
௨ண்மையுணர்வு.
௮வர் தப்பா சொல்லையே.
😮@@User01029
நீங்கள் இந்த பெரிய முயற்சியை எடுப்பதற்கு முன்னர் தங்கள் ஆசா ரியன் உத்தரவு பெற்றீர்களா?
What slightly distrub me is while I speak I can say one thing,but when I write book I will take another stand is not right way to justify.
@@Planwithpartha that’s right. all his excuses. He slipped up just need to say one word “sorry” and edit the book.. he is not still saying that but keep giving excuses. Very childish and defiant
@@Planwithpartha bcos thats for mythology space. This is for making that mythology as history.
Why person like you should prove things historically? It is not a valid argument saying I will quote Acharyas yuga calculation during upanyasam & readerachers' date when writing a book. You can't have double standards on a vital parameter .
100% 👍
He is not try to going prove Sri Raman birth identity.. just of all values of god is right of perception of belief..
Yes that's correct.
ராம ஆண்டாலும் ராவணன் ஆண்டாலும் இந்த பிராமணா இப்படித்தான் வாய் சொல் விராராய் இருப்போம் - ஒருத்தனாவது ராமர் போல் ஆயகலைகள் 64 படிக்கிறோமோ - அதை விட்டு விட்டு ராமர் பிறந்தார் என்று அலருவது திண்ணைப் பேச்சு
@Rastrakoodan He said that to Arnab. There is no CCTV proof for Rama birth. What a bad statement. Will you ask CCTV proof for your mom and dad. Or will you do DNA test or will you believe your mother. He said so myself and Jayaree did research and arrived at this date as Rama birth. But now he is slowly changing his tune in this i interview
Can anyone logically understand ..stone becoming girl? or Bird speaking to Rama? or Existance of Pushpak vimanam 7000 years back.. Why unnecessary trying and bringing down the prabhav of SriRama?? Let things be as it is. The thirsty person will search and quench himself.
Because you unnecessarily added prabhav to a human king named Rama
There is 2000_3000old sculpture Chenna kesav perual temple seetha kidnapping by pushpak vimana. Now it is used in d same way. U c d "praveen mohan" vlogs
also he is not a real human ...he is a character in a story written by valmiki the Novelist....
After some time people may believe spiderman, Harrypotter, Jamesbond are real ...
@@Rabonykannan Anyhow you are not going to accept.....and we dont bother about that and Rama too dont bother. God should be realised and can never be explained. For that sake no one need to change the date of birth. That is what is told to Dhushyanth Sridhar and not to you. A frog in a pond can never understand the might of the sea. Sanathana Dharma exists from day one of creation of this world. People know what is fiction and who is GOD. Our ancestors are not fools.
@@barathikumar4995 the irony is you are the one who is a frog living in a pond ...you only know about the same old purana and mythological stories which the people who have common sense will never accept... Come out of the pond and see the whole world ...there is so much other ideologies and religious scriptures other than sanatan which teaches compassion and love .....also there are science ..astronomy... Real history of mankind.. read them and become enlightened... No one who have common sense will believe your mythological ram who you claim lived for 11000 years ....wake up ...
ஆதாரம் கொடுக்கிறேன் பேர்வழி என்று கதை கட்டி விட்டனர்
So many scenarios ஐ ஒரே புஸ்தகத்துல address பண்ணியே நீ பெரிய அப்பாடக்கர் தாம்பா.!
அறிவியலில் அரைவேக்காட்டுத்தனம் இருக்கு - அப்பாடா, அறிவியல் பாடமாவது நன்னா படிச்சு இருக்கானே அம்பி!
There is a reference in Bhagavatam that the life of human beings is reduced in Kaliyuga compared to Dwapara Treta and Sathya yugas.
Yes, 100 in Kaliyuga, 1000 in dvApara, 10000 in Treta, and 100000 in Satya. Variations from exceptional people and a little variation can be there.
Exactly. There is also information regarding how even the height of living beings are much less in Kali Yuga [Sri Muchukunda Upakhyanam].
Yes true...kullama irupanga innum poga poga nu Kali yugan la@@kgdhouhithri
@@mykid2940 Exactly!
Ellaam Kattu kathai
.All we know is Rama incarnated in the treta yuga . you have shifted it to the end of dvapara yuga . it brings tears in my eyes . My Rama is from treta yugam .
இராமர் மனிதனாக தாயின் கர்ப்பத்தில் பிறந்தாரா? பாயஸம் குடித்தார் என்று தானே தெரியும்.
அவஜானந்தி மாம் மூடாஃ மாநுஷீம் தநுமாஶ்ரிதம், ஜன்ம கர்ம ச மே திவ்யம், ஸம்பவாமி யுகே யுகே, உத்தமஃ புருஷஸ்த்வந்யஃ ...
எட்டடி உயரம்? தேவர்களும் செய்ய முடியாததை எல்லாம் செய்யும் ஸாமர்த்யம்?
Dushyant can not make the issue trivial by saying, "i have put footnote of jayasrees findings." He has elaborately told the same is his upanyasams about this 7000 years and most recently he has mentioned in multiple national tv channels very authoritatively.
This will be referred to in the future by many by quoting 'dushyant' has said, like he is quoting many names now. Very dangerous
In the Vedas there is a certain logic mentioned. It is called "kupa maanduka nyaya". The logic of the frog in the well.
Frog in the well can never comprehend the vastness of the ocean.
We must endeavour to explain the facts and statements of the Vedic scriptures. Just because people are unable to comprehend the information given in the Vedic literature, we cannot twist the calculations given in the Vedic scriptures to "suit" the taste of modern educated persons. Vedic literatures have rigorous philosophy and logic to appeal to the intellect of the most intellectual scholars. If the Vedas say, the Yuga calculation run into lakhs of years, there is sufficient logic and reasoning and rigorous philosophy presented in the Vedic scriptures to substantiate such gargantuan and seemingly unbelievable numbers. This must be presented to the younger generation. The solution is not to take the imperfect evidence of modern historians as proof Ramayana and present it. The solution is to present the information given in the Vedic scriptures as it is along with the logic and reasoning and rigorous philosophy mentioned in the Vedas. Srila Prabhupada the Founder Acharya of the World Wide Hare Krishna Movement said "We should not reject those things which doesn't tally with our imagination".
Vedas are beyond the four defects of all created beings. Information given in the Vedic scriptures is not created by any human being but rather revealed by the Supreme Lord who is beyond this creation and who is beyond the four defects found in all created beings. This must be understood.
The danger of accepting the faulty evidence given by historians is that, tomorrow the very same historians can change their calculation and say "We have done further research on Lord Rama. Our new discovery is that Rama appeared 500 years ago!!". Then what will we do??
Therefore evidence of the Vedic scriptures is perfect and does not change with time.
One more thing. The younger generation is not going to accept Ramayana as history just because we give some date. They will question ten headed Ravana, how ahalya turned into a stone, how Hanuman flew etc. So Ramayana is not the first subject to be introduced to younger generation. First we have to logically explain to them the existence of soul or consciousness. The existence of mind, intelligence, false ego etc. Once this is done, then their minds will be gradually ready to accept other things. Srila Prabhupada, Founder Acharya of the World Wide Hare Krishna Movement posed a simple question to all scientists of the World.
"What is the difference between a dead body and living person"?
What is missing in a dead body that a living person has?
On this way, we can appeal to their rational mind and when they are convinced of the existence of the soul or consciousness, higher subject matter like Ramayana can be introduced.
Otherwise, none of the younger generation can comprehend superhuman powers mentioned in the Ramayana.
Don't try too much. Next time If u want to have some operation, you must search someone who does operation based on sushrut samhita..dont look for modern day docs.
One of the best comments I've read so far! Thank you so much for posting this, Swami ji. 🙏🏼Am really hoping Sri Dushyanth Avl reads this.
Beautifully said ! Unfortunately, the world is filled with people who want to prove their 'intellect'
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Dear sir.
Read my posts carefully. Where have I quoted Achintya bheda abheda siddhanta??. I have merely emphasized the authority of the Vedas in establishing Lord Rama's appearance. Don't you accept the Vedas authority? If yes, why do you need a certificate from historians and scientists for establishing Lord Rama's appearance? Don't you have faith in your Acharyas?
@@mukundamadhavadasa8471 lets say if u have to undergo an operation, will u search a doctor who has updated evidence based skills or a doctor who does operation based on sushruta samhita? (Sushruta did it by refering from a vedanga )
தலைமுறை இடைவெளி டக்டக்குன்னு நடக்கிறது. இந்த நூல் நூல் எந்த தேதி அல்லது மணி, நொடி தலைமுறைக்கு?
உலகை உத்தானம் செய்ய வந்த உத்தமரே! திருத்தாள் பணிகிறேன்.
கேள்வி கேட்கிறவருக்கு புரிய வைப்பது ஸாதனையா? புரிகிற மாதிரி புரட்டுவது திறமையா?
இரண்டும் இரண்டும் நான்கு என்பது புரியவில்லை என்றால் ஒன்று என்று சொல்லி விடுவாரோ?
முசுகுந்தன் க்ருஷ்ணனை எப்படி சந்தித்தார்? ஆராய்ச்சி புலியே!
Neenga than sollungalen
நாமக்கல் கட்டுக்கதை, அதுக்கு பாற்கடல் முட்டு... அபாரம் பரிமளா, மேலே சொல்லு
As per several Vedic scholars statement dushyant dating about sri ramayana is wrong. Now he need to say whether he is correct or the other Vedic scholars are correct?
குட்டி யானை கரடி நல்லா இருக்கு! ஒரு வேளை அதை அறிவியல் கண்டுபிடிக்காமல் இருந்தால், நமது புளுகு மூட்டை ஆராய்ச்சியாளர்கள் என்ன புளுகி இருப்பார்களோ?
அது சரி ஸுக்ரீவன் அப்பவே கூகுள் மேப் வச்சு இருந்தான் போல
Year calculation and assumptions do not fit please accept if you have erred and put an end without further argument. Don't touch Adi sankara we have no issues
Book for non belivers. Belivers doubt also to be cleared now by Dushyanthji🙏🙏
எல்லா ராஜாக்களையும் பட்டியல் இட்டார்களா? கோடிட்ட இடத்தை, நீங்க தான் பெரிய ஆராய்ச்சியாளர்கள் ஆச்சே, நிரப்பிக் கொள்ளுங்கள்
Suggest that Kiran Srivathsan from Pesu Tamizha Pesu should do a series of interviews with Dr R Rangan ji who is a great scholar and researcher of Veda and Ramayana
I admire Dushyanth ji. But, Just to make others believe we don’t have to make them believe our scriptures and give wrong dates. One shouldn’t deviate from the scriptures given by valmiki and vyasa dev.
For that matter if they wanted they also could have written the scriptures so that people in Kaliyuga who are manda budhhi manda bhagya would believe. But they didn’t. They presented the itihasas as it is.
As a preacher one should now deviate from the scriptures. Jayashree saranath is an arrogant woman. She is a liar. We cannot change the timeline to suit your agenda or make non believers believe.
If they don’t believe it’s their problem.
Krishna has given the lifetime calculation 🧮 are Brahma ji in the Bhagavad Gita
If people don’t believe that monkeys could talk or jump longer distance or that people were taller and world was much larger and that it’s getting smaller as Kaliyuga progresses then it’s their problem.
History should be told as it is. Not changed to suit the readers. As preachers one should have answers to the questions of the readers.
That is dharma of the speakers and preachers.
Am sorry if I hurt any feelings
Krishna’s dharmam Sanatan am
Ramo vigrahavan dharmah
Well said !! This simple understanding
Many cannot grasp!
Dushyanthbsays he only quoted Jayashree work there. I did not do research.
Ok at 29th min, Dushyanth says there are many differences between vyakayathas commentators on Rameswaram incident and Crow incident. So , are youbsaying we can have multiple opinion on date of birth. Is this the logic
துஷ்யந்த் சார், தூய சாரமான கடவுள் கொடுத்த கொடையான வேதமும் அதன் சாரமாக உயர் ஆன்மாக்கள் நமக்கு அருளிய ஆகமம் புராணம் இதிகாசம் உபநிடதங்கள் மகாபாரதம் இராமாயணம் போன்றவற்றின் மூலத்தில் இடைச்செருகல் எதுவும் இன்றி குருவின் துணையோடு கற்று ஆன்மீக விழிப்புணர்வு அடைய செய்வதே நம் நோக்கமாக இருக்கட்டும்.... ஆராய்ச்சி மற்ற எதிலும் செய்யட்டும்!
Good that Pesu Tamizha Tamizha took this topic which even Chankaya Channel did not do it. I was disappointed why Rangaraj Panndey limited to his interview yesterday without covering this topic
It's a 2 part interview - in Chanakya - 2nd part covers this topic - it's yet to be released.
சாணக்யா is irrelevant and doesn't have a focus and want to please one and all
As an upanyasakar who has been a student of sri vaishnava Acharyas - when he gives a speech we expect to listen to the essence of his learning from the great teachers.
He is talking abaththam at 01:02:00 especially.
He has added the date of birth of Rama unnecessarily so that it could be added in the history section of a library.
If he says Rama is human born 7000 yrs ago then even the birth of Rama by drinking Payasam becomes absurd. Or dividing it into 50% 25% 12.5% 12.5% to beget rama Lakshman bharata and shatrughna become absurd. Because begetting children from Payasam 7000 yrs ago doesn't seem logical.
7000 yrs it doesn't seem logical that we had pushpakvimanam
7000 yrs ago it doesn't seem normal that Sita entered fire or was swallowed by earth and boomadevi came and took Sita.
More than bringing in new people into believing rama.
The book will make existing devotees who are half baked like me, question everything in ramayana
Writing a book on ramayanam like Rajaji did would have been a tribute to all acharyas from dushyanth and we would have placed it in our Puja shelf. But apparently it feels like dushyanth sridhar ji wants it in college libraries and as a coffee table book.
It is a Breach of trust the acharyas bestowed on him when they imparted knowledge
As per ADiyEn knowledge we should not substantiate or we should not do any scientific research on sastra. We have to follow acharya and sastra. If we can able to say to kids that hanuman fly to lanka we can convince them saying Rama birth as well. We should take ramanayana as it is to next generation. Science is lagging behind and do even they know when we received vedas so we should not substantiate any things. I have high respect to dhushyant Sridhar due to his knowledge as I learned so many things from him.
துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீதர் எழுதிய நூல்கள் அனைத்தும் ஆச்சரிய புருஷர்களால் அவர்களின் முன்னிலையில் அரங்கேற்றம் செய்து ஆலோசனைப்படி இந்த புத்தகத்தை வெளியிட்டு இருந்தால் ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளதாக இருக்கும் சனாதன தர்மத்தில் தனி ஒரு நபராக எழுதிய இந்த புத்தகம் இந்த ராமாயண காலம் பல யுகங்களை சதுர் யுகங்களையும் கடந்ததாக கருதப்படுகிறது 7000 ஆண்டுகள் என்பது ஏற்றுக்கொள்ள முடியாததாக கருதப்படுகிறது குருமார்களின் முன்னிலையில் மடாதிபதிகள் பீடாதிபதிகள் குரு மகா சன்னிதானம் வைஷ்ணவ சம்பிரதாய குருமார்கள் முன்னிலையில் புத்தக வெளியீட்டு விழா செய்து விநியோகம் செய்து இருந்தால் ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளதாக இருக்கலாம் தனி ஒரு நபராக எழுதி வெளியிட்டது ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள முடியாதது
Swamy Dushyanth Sridhar, whatever maybe devarir's explanation, whatever devarir did is not acceptable. Kshamikkanum. Adiyen dasan.
@1:11:00+ sustained confidence is nothing but building trust and leading to the belief on the aptha vakiyam. That's the summation that everything should start with basic belief in the first place.
Sorry sridhar. I was having a different view on you and commented wrongly. After knowing your intentions i feel very proud of you. We need to rewrite indian history. We find some remains of mahabharata in north India. So why not RAMAYANA and MAHABHARATA be brought in history. For that Sridhar is trying. Why not? When we have so much of evidence let's all learn OUR HISTORY OF OUR MOTHERLAND.
But the thing is he a fit person ???
There are no Evidence for Mahabharata and Ramayana ..if there is evidences both stories would have been made as our Indian History...
@@auditorbalu1941 what makes you feel he is not. He has undergone grantha Chathustaya Kaalapshepam and has undergone training from multiple stalwarts ..
So he says I listen to researchers not Acharyas and guru; To teach in schools and college state wrong false data as facts haha 😂 why not give date by shaastra in yuga and chaturyuga and manvantra. Circumstantial evidence is not fact, just tell real truth. Now kids will all think SriRam was born 7000 years ago only. Why you did not mention purana and shastra dates as well in your book? What is the motive?? Create confused children???
Will people of the religion be able to satisfy historians anyways by giving a date alone ?
Will historians not claim it as a myth still based on extro ordinany powers of Lord Rama, hanumanji ?
Will they accept crow flying through different heavens .. rama using astra on a crow? Shape shifting demons and other mystiv elements
So whats the use of this compromise
So will historians accept ravana had flying machines ?
Which part of ramayana is free of rama and ravana,s extra ordinary prowess ?
So how will it end up in history books , are you ready to reduce ramayana to a fight of two mortal kings with spears and swirds with the help of tribes ?
Do you honestly think people from other faiths will stop calling it a myth because a date is being attached to it ?
These points are for the readers to think loud.
Preordered a copy waiting eagerly to study it. These types of researches are necessary to establish that it is his history not myth
lol. Waste of money. Read the original instead.
This is based on original. I also ordered. Plz don't listen to hate mongering depressed loners😆
@@harikrishnankannan8711 I hope you have already read the original and mastered in the meaning of Ramayana iam not up to that level and i need explanatory works. Thanks for suggestion . Iam wondering how enlightened you are without reading a book you have provided a feedback. Great!!!!
@@harikrishnankannan8711 Agreed. Also, I would suggest for people who want the language to be simple and with picture , Amar Chitra Katha... should be cheaper and easier to understand :)
@@historicpassionate2908 same , pre ordered a copy for myself and my kid (12 yrs)
மிக மிக அருமை.
தூற்றுவார் தூற்றட்டும் உங்கள் பணி தொடர கடவுள் அருள் உண்டு.
Some people here talking about research of Jayashree and Dushyanth. Well, has the research paper peer reviewed?
Sri Dushyant Sridhar's contribution to spirituality and Hindu relegion is significant rather immessurable.I respect and regard for him.
But swamis dilution and his own way of presenting event sometimes hurts me.Probably he is trying to appeal to a largely young audience
by who may largely new audience to spiritual aspects.Swamy should if possible to restraint in deliberations.
With due apologies
I hope you don’t bring these two so called ‘new age’ discourses given by jayasree and this dushman sridhar. We don’t need any explanation. We can directly read valmiki’s work. No need for new Ramayana.
எந்த கால மனிதனின் ஆயுள்?
ஜோதிடம் நூற்று இருபது, தமிழ் ஆண்டு அறுபது உயிரோடு இருந்தால் போநஸ். அதனால் அறுபதுக்கறுபது.
தேஹிநோஸ்மிந் யதா தேஹே கௌமாரம்...
ஒரு பருவம் இறந்து அடுத்த பருவம் என்று ஏழு பருவம்...
உறங்குவது போலும் சாக்காடு... உறங்கினாலே ஒரு பிறவி முடிந்தது?
ஹோமோஸேப்பியன்? ஹோமோ எரக்டஸ்? வேற்று கிரக வாசியானால்? வைகுண்டம் வேற்று கிரகமல்லவா?
ஆச்சாரிய பரம்பரை வழி வந்தவர்கள் ஶ்ரீமுகம் இல்லாமல் வெளியிடும்போது அவரது ஆச்சாரிய பக்தி தெரிகிறது.
Any new research which will strengthen,historicity,should be welcomed.this does not lessen the greatness of our ithihasas.when we accept history of other religions,why should we hesitate to encourage this kind of research,which will only enhance our self confidence?
Sanatana dharma starts with shraddha that is faith in elders words and then rational thinking and then jnanam
Irrespective of fixing space time coordinates, valmikis hope for future generations would have been to begin emulating the characteristics of rama and his parivaram, rather than seeking external approval and alidation, as the Indian psyche always does. We will only squander an exceedingly rare opportunity to improve ourselves and probably reach vaikuntam r kaivalyam r kailasam as per respective philosophies
So next topic by Jayasree and Dushyanth. How can a little baby / boy Krishna kill so many giant asuras. The younger generation will not believe
It's really very disappointing. I thought he was doing a good job by speaking for Sanathana Dharma in national TV. Never expected this fall. Not correcting his stance, even after his own Acharyas have rejected it, is not a good thing at all.
மாப்பிள்ளை கால் அலம்பறதை வக்கணையா கேள்வி கேப்பா கண்டவனும் ஸம்பாரிச்சு கண்டவ ஆக்கிப்போடுறதை உள்ளே தள்ளிட்டே...
Research - if performed to better understand our sampradhayam and culture or in the service of humankind and its welfare, it is most welcome.
But if it is to disprove everything our teachers have taught us for millennia based on dubious logic and un reasonable leaps of logic... just to be agreeable to a few in the short run or seek the white man's validation or to satisfy one's own ego, then it is not research that is work the time
Can anyone say...who is the person at the feet of Sri Rama in Dhushyanth book's cover drawing?
Hanuman.
வெவரம் கெட்ட கூட்டத்துக்கு கேள்வி கேக்குற வெவரம் மட்டும் எப்படி இருக்கும்?
From what I could see, Even many times I had felt how good it would be if I could make others who call our God as myth understand its not so...But I neither have the knowledge or capabilities to do that and sometimes I myself get confused
.But Sri Dushyant Sridhar has undertaken this as an sincere attempt..people who don't want to subscribe to his views could atleast politely say we agree to disagree...Why are they deriding him like this
Nobody wants to stop researching. We are worried about you who bears the robe of an upanyasaka reducing Rama's era to less than 8000 years
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சரி ஸ்வாமி ராமன் கிருஷ்ணன் இதிகாச புருஷர்கள்
ராமானுஜர் ஆதிசங்கரர் ஏன் வரலாற்றில் இதுவரை வர வில்லை
Sampradaya matters should be discussed with vidwans who have deep knowledge on the subject. Not with journalists.
Its like talking computational biology with a cricketer, who claims no expertise in it !
fully agreed. Peszu Tamil Pesu can bring other vedic scholars and have group discussions including DS
Anti srivaishnava Ramayanam book.
7000 years is at least 200 generations ago. If this not ancient what else is !
I am deeply saddened by the fact that he wants to look everything through objectivity and rationalism. Please understand that there is something called as spiritual intelligence. While we can analyse things to understand and appreciate them, these issues cannot be part of casual coffee/tea discussions.
If young people are raising questions, it means they are evolving.....let them experience divinity by themselves...I am sure Rama will help them to become spiritual.
Good comment! I hope these sane voices are heard.
If I have to accept what Valmiki had written, why I will consider Sriranganathar as his "Kula Dhanam"? He had not mentioned that he gave Ranganatha's archamurthy to Vibhishana. Where is Rameshwaram and worshiping of Shiva mentioned in Ramayana? From Lankapuri, Rama went to Kishkinda, Bharadwaja Ashram and Nandigram. Where comes Rameshwaram?
வேதம் நூறா? நாலா? ஒன்றா?
ஶாகைகளா?
Needless to date birth of Lord Ram. Dushyanth ji is creating opertunity to question entire Valmiki Ramayana's Authenticity.
Dushyanth sir kindly dont mix Learnings from BITS pilani with learnings from your acharyas.
வாங்கிய காசுக்கு கூவரான்
If you call it "Dushyanth Ramayanam' then we are not going to question you. If you call it "Ramayanam", then we will qiestion you if you are against the facts of statements in Ramayanam. Discuss with your mentors and then state the facts. Your dates are wrong. Discuss with your acharyas.
For research whether there was any mentor .
where the research work was submitted to any forum before publish and got approved
If any can proclaim himself as per research protocol whether it can be taken granted.
Did you listen to Jayeshree’s talk? She had submitted her research work and peer reviewed and got published. In the same way, how can Rangarajan Narasimhan just post some videos to rubbish them? Did he do any research to prove them wrong?
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That is called Sathsangam in our Sambrathya .pursuit of knowledge is for me not to demin or deny any .
All research published is also subject to further research .After all Even in material science Dolton theory was proved wrong later .
@@santhanamsrinivasan8540 until the next researcher refutes the previous hypothesis with scientific proof, the first one stands vindicated. As of now Jayeshree Saranathan is vindicated
@@santhanamsrinivasan8540don’t tell me that the videos put by Rangarajan Narasimhan are Sathsangam! Your conscience itself will not accept it. It’s pure jealousy and mud slinging only.
Ok Now Dushyanth is toned down and slowly withdrawing. Now he is saying he will go by puranas. But one Maukana asked what is the proof..it is myth..so I am doing research. KIRAN asked an excellent question for which he had no answer
Waste of time discussing with him. He had made up his mind to argue without facts. Very sorry.
Could have consulted his Guru, seniors before publishing it. And changing the history is like chipping of a sculpture. Have high esteem of Dushyant Sridhar knowledge ,but this is a slip which he could have avoided. 🙏🏻 We believe in the vedam.
IF IT IS ACCEPTED, AT THAT TIME WHAT IS THE POSITION OF THE COUNTRIES OTHER THAN INDIA.
Effect of Kali Yuga.
வள்ளுவர் குருகுலம் 😂😂😂
இந்து மதத்தை மறுக்கும் கும்பல் தர்ற புத்தகதை நம்பறே.
One small thought. Before even releasing the Ramayana book that Dushyanth Sridhar ji wrote, he himself explained about Shri Rama's birth according to what all Aacharyaas said, abiding by what Shri Valmiki said. But, just during this book release, he has collaborated with Jayashree Saranathan madam and researched and claim that Shri Rama's birth dates back to nearly 7,000 years back.....So, does he want the people who believed & understood what he said before, in his explanations , to erase that and forget about that and accept what he claims now? What's the guarantee that in future, other statements or facts of his will be withdrawn and goes against Aachaaryaas' and rishis' preachings, by the name of research work?
@@shivnarayan.v579 That's why he explains 'That is Vyasa Peetam and this one is an Academic Chair...'
Namaskaram Dushyanth Sir 🙏🏼,
Usage of inscriptions, sculptures in your book is not the issue. One may highlight such things to evoke interest in youngsters. One may even tell them that historians have a different view about the dates in an appendix as just a piece of information [though I do not endorse this approach] but Sampradayam followers must also clearly point out that this is not the Sampradayam stance.
If younger generation expects a specific thing as "evidence" then kindly point out why that expectation may not always be a reasonable one. Kindly tell them that there are aspects of Sampradayam that cannot be proved with inscriptions or sculptures or modern day research. Please tell them that science, historical research are not always correct and that they too have their limitations. Kindly explain to them the difference between Prathyaksha, Anumana and Shabdha Pramanas. That's more of a need today.
நவீன ஆராய்ச்சியாளர்கள் ஒருவருக்கு ஒருவர் முரண்படுகிறார்களே!
Traditional aacharyas kooda oruvarukku oruvar muran pattu than irukiraargal. Kalvi, interpretation nu vanthale apipraya bedham vara than seyyum
எல்லாத்தையும் புரூப் பண்ண போறதில்லைன்னா, என்ன.... க்கு புரூப் பண்ணிட்ட மாதிரி நடிக்கணும்
இதிஹாஸத்தை புரூப் பண்ண அடம்பிடித்து கப்ஸா அடிக்கணும்
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🙏 @@AlarmelMangai-ie2tg
அடுத்த அஸுகி ஶவம் தயாராகிறது
Dushyanyh's intention in writing his book is explained explained very well. He wants scholars to accept Ramayana as history. So he has taken great pains to collect evidence from all over the world and presented in his book. He has quoted others work to prove his point. He has not argued that Rama was born only in 5014 BCE.
People like Rangaraj Narasimhan is unnecessarily raising a hue and cry without understanding his real intention. They are obviously plain JEALOUS of Dushyanth's work. They must read the book before commenting.
பதில் கிடைக்கவில்லை என்றால் பதில் இல்லை என்று அர்த்தம் இல்லை - அவருடைய வார்த்தைகளை அவர் உணர்ந்து, இட்டு கட்டும் வேலையை கை விடுவாராக!
சீரங்கத்தில் நடக்கும் அட்டூழியங்களைவிட இந்த முயற்சி அசிங்கமா -இதை எதிர்க்க நரசிம்ம அவதாரம் தேவையா - ராமர் வழி நடப்போம் கீதை படித்து வளர்வோம் - அவதாரங்கள் பிறப்பார்களா புரியவில்லை
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
பதில் கிடைக்காட்டி இல்ல ன்னு அர்த்தமன்று. ஆனா கிடைக்குற வரைக்கும் இல்லை னு அர்த்தம்.
நூற்றில் ஒரு வார்த்தை @@sunwukong2959
@@-_.0Oஉங்களுக்கு தெரியாது என்று மட்டுமே அர்த்தம். நான் என் முதுகைப் பார்க்க இல்லை, அதனால் அது இல்லையா? (அனுமானம் ப்ரமாணம்)
நான் அமெரிக்காவைப் பார்க்க இல்லை, அதனால் அது இல்லை என்று அர்த்தமா? (பெரியோர் வாக்கு ப்ரமாணம்)
ப்ரத்யக்ஷம் மட்டுமே ப்ரமாணம் என்று பகுத்தறிவு கூமுட்டைகள் மட்டுமே கூறுவார்கள்.
காண்பது எல்லாம் உண்மையா என்ன?
@46:20+ i wish to point out in the same Valmiki Ramayana verses that tells Nara's age as Satham meaning 100 years of human life and it meets what's told in Vedic mantras as long life of humans - Jeevema Saradha Satham - Tirumalai Thondaradipodi Alwar 3rd Paasuram -- Vedanool Praayam Nooru Manithar tham puguvarralum - and coming back to Rama who is an epitome of human virtues following vedic injunctions why will he go and try to prove oddly 🤔.
And here is the Srimad Valmiki Ramayana verses
spoken by Sita Amma
And this is in the Sundaragandam.
And is one of the first sloka where joy is expressed by Seetha Mata to Hanuman after seeing him where she expresses her joy.
कल्याणी बत गथा इयम् लौकिकी प्रतिभाति मे |
एहि जीवन्तम् आनदो नरम् वर्ष शतात् अपि || ५-३४-६
And this is a sloka when Hanuman meets Bharatha Swamy first in Nadhigram conveying the message of Rama's return. And Bharatha Swamy expressing his joy on the good news (both the above situations are life saving situations).
कल्याणी बत गाथेयं लौकिकी प्रतिभाति मे |
एति जीवन्तमानन्दो नरं वर्षशतादपि || ६-१२६-२
And it's simply reminds me of the famous Tamil phrase "நெனத்தேன் வந்தாய் நூறு வயது"
And we can quote Lakshman Swamy refering to serve Rama for hundred years?! Why will he say just 100 years only?! It's in
Aranya Gandam
परवान् अस्मि काकुत्स्थ त्वयि वर्ष शतम् स्थिते |
स्वयम् तु रुचिरे देशे क्रियताम् इति माम् वद || ३-१५-७
"I am but a dependent, as long as you are there, may it be for hundred years, I am your adherent, Rama, therefore you yourself tell me to build hermitage in such and such delightful place. [3-15-7]
@53:00+ It's like literally quoting me for the points that I have been raising from the past few days in many RUclips video channels specifically in the Rama Bhanam - Shri Rangarajan Narasimhan Swamy videos
I understand the few of the sampradaya pravarthakas - they fear the "result" of the research - it should not contradict the sampradayik understandings is their point. If you allow a result that is against the sampradaya it will lead to other contradictions like eg : whether Hanuman is Human in Forest or Monkey God?! And how can a Monkey fly or lift a mountain?!
I think the samadhanam is to first believe our sampradaya first and then start researching based on that basis, beliefs of the devik aspects/ portions should be differentiated from the lokika parts like the human span of life that is a lowkika satyam that has Vedic and sampradayik sanctions already.
If one is able to differentiate and understand that few are devik sakthi and it is pure based on the beliefs in the first place before realising the truth as-is.
Kiran, Science has no limitations. Only humans are "ignorant" to get over these limitations. The more we think, the more we experiment, the more we research, science will reveal its wonders. Preservarance to get at the truth is way to exploit and understand Science. It was being said, Edison failed 1000 times before ge could invent a bulb and properties of Electricity.
சுவாமி/ 7000_ வருடம் ராமர் இருந்தகாலம்/ அதுதான்/ பிரச்சனை/ பூர்வாச்சாரியர்கள்/என்னசொன்னார்கள்/அதைசொல்லுங்கோ/சுவாமி/ கதைவேண்டாம்
Interview with pandey is available
Very good program. Appreciate the efforts of PESU THAMIZHA PESU and Rajavel Nagarajan. ❤
Kudos to shri. Dushayanth Sridhar and Mr. Kiran
Good attempt.
Argument that 14 years is so small for dasaratha who ruled for 60000 years is absurd & contradicting to relativity theory. To convince the new generation you meed not rely upon some lies
It was just an emotional argument but Jayeshree’s book doesn’t have these bits. Her work is purely based on astrology and geography . If you have an open mind, you should read it atleast once
Actually this is a very strong argument. Dasaratha who is said to have lived 60,000 years, was not prepared to send Rama and Lakshmana with Viswamitrar. Then he agreed. The period of his separation was very small. So too with the 14 years of banishment. In 60,000 years of his life this period is extremely trivial, amounting a few minutes or seconds. This valid point has to be investigated and explained by those who do not question the 60,000 years of lifetime to Dasaratha.
Did the hair start greying only when he was 60K years old? It is only when he noticed a single grey hair he realized his old age.
Sita disappeared into Bhumadevi quite early. Did Rama rule 11K years without Dharma patni? A king has to do a lot of Vedic and other rituals. All these require a wife. There is no mention of Rama taking another wife.
In the lifetime of say 100 years, 14 years is quite significant. For Kaikeyi to demand banishment for 14 years in the X thousand years is laughable. Only if the lifetime is short then 14 years of looong banishment will have some meaning. These are valid questions that should be asked and the 60K and 11K lifetime is to be looked at in a new light.
What a clarity in his explanation?! Simply fabulous. Ram Ram...
Your own acharya who taught has declined your views and thoughts on research is a clear indication that what you tried is wrong. Don't try to give hours of explanation but accept that it's against the belief and mistakes has happened
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His acharya also said something -
"Awan ewlawo sollirkaan adhula idha mattum kutham paakanuma nu therla"
Kalki 2898 movie la Vara supreme yaskin Kali yaarunu kelunga pls
Shri Kiran the interviewer has done good home work. Good job done 👍
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நல்ல ஆசார்யர்களை வைத்து இந்த புத்தகத்தை எடிட் செய்திருந்தால் இந்த மழுபல் தேவை இல்லை. இன்னும் தான் செய்ததை சரி என்றே கூற முயல்கிரார்
ஒரு ஸ்ரீவைஸ்ணவனுக்கு
ஈகோ ஆகாது.
௨டனே ஆச்சாரியனிடம்
மன்னிப்புக் கேட்டு, கதறணும் சரணாகதன்.
சொல்லிக்கொண்டே இருப்பார்.சந்தேகமே வேண்டாம். தவறு என்று ஒற்றுகொள்ள மாட்டார்.
தவறு என்று ஒற்றுகொள்ளவே மாட்டார். சந்தேகமே வேண்டாம்.
மேற்குக் கலையோ கிழக்குக் கலையோ உதயமாகிறது
There are so many versions of ramayanam. This is not new.
Vaushnavites have accepted kamba ramayanam.
If you dont like then ignore as you have ignored other subjects like adisankar year of birth.
Sringeri people say AD.
Kanchi says BC.
I dont know why dushyanth alone is targeted.
Better case this issue.
Present day Srilanka and Ramayana srilanka are different. Ramayana Srilanka is 800 kms from Rameswaram
Why many people are not approaching Dhushyanth in his view point and approach- why he needs to be in popular opinion - he always says in sanathanam questions and questioning are part and parcel of- instead of questioning him many are accusing him - how some new approach will emerge and many youngsters may have interest on our Ithihasam and Puranams
Why you should being it in school system and for that you want to change the story
What justification can Shri Dushyant Sridhar give that the younger generation gets mislead to believe that Sri Rama was born in 5114 BC by reading his reference provided in his just released book
The traditional date should have also been given. Then it would have been proper
Those who are questioning Dushyanth they are right. I have gone through the interview between Balaji swamigal who is a phd in computer science explained very well to mr RangRajan Narasimhan and also the questioning of Mr Joseph who is is strong vaishnavite though born as a Christian.
Dushyanth in my opinion wants to give a logical answer to those who are questiong Rama's 11000 years of rulings. Those who belive we dont have any problems but younger generation who wants a logical answer to everything also require to be balanced otherwise future generations will still believe this is a myth.
We are not even able to prove about the existence of a lake 60 years ago how come we will prive our future generations. Both are right
Having firm faith oneself will automatically influence the audience. When one has to use modern dateable past to influence minds of younger generations, it means we ourselves are not having strong trust, also it will cause great pain later. These young people in future will end up disregarding and disrespecting the acharyas later and try to change itihasas and Puranas to suit current science. Suppose 2000 years from now if science accepts humans existed 20 lakh years ago, but by that time these new age devotees would have changed the Rama date to 5000BC. So when science evolves to accept the original date, Santana dharma dates would have reduced to mere 10000 years.
His approach itself is wrong. He is making two mistakes. 1. Just because he can not reconcile the science and our scriptures, he is dumping the scriptures in preference to science. 2. He is accusing that the traditionalists are dumping science in preference to the scriptures.
The fact is that it is quite possible to reconcile both.
🙏In Ramayana, Sri Valmiki has a sloka (1.18.20) that mentions only the birth Month (Chitra), the Thithi (Navami), the Laganam (kataga) the Star (Punarvasu) and not the year! Also Sri Rama’s birth was mentioned as a divine incarnation of Sriman Narayana, the supreme god head (the Omni potent, the Omniscient ,and the Omnipresent).
🙏There are several references in the Vedic literature that Sri Rama’s birth happened during Treta Yuga of the Vedic cosmic cycle. Of the Ten well known Avathrams of Sriman Narayana, the first four (Matsa, Kurma, Varaha, Nrisimha, and Vamana) happened during Kritha Yuga. 5th and 6th (Parusurama and Rama) happened during Treta Yuga; 8th and 9th (Balarama and Krishna) happened during Dvapara Yuga. 🙏The 10th the Kali Bhagavan shall be incarnated during the current Kali Yuga comprising 0.432 million years of which we have JUST crossed around 5200 years (3200 years before CE and 2000 years after CE!!!!).
🙏The four Yugas (known as one chathur Yuga) Kritha, Treta, Dvapara and Kali constitute 4.32 million years. Modern science estimates our planet earth to be about 4.54 billion years old which corresponds to about 1000 chathur Yugas!
🙏Jyotisha is a Vedanga of Vedic literature and can be used in simulation models to analyze various aspects of time, dates and stars. Any one using any such simulation models should state the limitations of their simulated results. Especially in the cosmic cycle nature of the universe, there could be more than one incidence of coincidences may occur that will have to be explained in the results and discussion section of the research publication, if any. For example one such occurrences could be 7500 years (5500 BCE). This is the latest coincidence in Kali Yuga but not the all. So if the model has the capacity to simulate full cosmic chathur Yugas, then one can possibly find the earliest or the first occurrence to be in the Treta Yuga!
🙏So let us try to understand the scope and limitations of any such analytical tools to Vedic literature which are time eternal 🙏
🙏Sarvam Srikrishnarpanamasthu
Before 12.6 lakh years (treta yug) there was no India. Indian subcontinent was attached to Africa.
Very good comment .🙏🏼
As per ur stand, Adutha vaati edhaadhu operation thewappaattaa doctor ta nee poha koodaadhu. Ozhungaa vedic literature base panna sushruta samhita based operation dhan nee pannipa?
Dushyant Sridhar should debate with Ramayana authors and prove
Who are the ramayana authors ?
All because we all don’t know Sanskrit those who brought up in old tradition they read and follow the teachings of our elders don’t ask this much question
He will not come to the direct answer. Another advertisement interview
He is giving many references. That's it. He doesn't need any advertising.. already he is a well known personality. 😊
That is what the issue. He is a well known personality. But so many scholars are there who doesn't seek any attention. I follow them instead of this so called known person
கற்பவர்களுக்கு, கற்க விரும்புபவர்களுக்கு தான் கேள்வி கேட்க உரிமை உண்டு. அறியாமையில் இருப்பவர்களுக்கு அல்ல