@@09rjaIt was Gene, who said something very similar, after discussing the movie GoodFellas, and after moving on to the forgettable movie Narrow Margin. He said “Our next movie, we take a step down, here”. That was one of those moments, going from one of the year’s best films, to perhaps one of the worst!
I've never seen Shoah in its entirety, but the clips I've seen, including the barber, are truly extraordinary. It's nothing less than the record of a great historical human tragedy.
I saw it a few years ago(today is 10/5/23, it was like 4 years ago.) It gets dull at times, but it's still a masterpiece. I got rid of my old Criterion DVD a while back, but I want to get a new one for Christmas. Please see it, everyone who can, should.
In 1501 there were no clear cut good guys and bad guys, everything and everyone was a mess, out for themselves, just trying to stay alive. Is was gritty and brutal back then. Flesh and Blood is not a happy fantasy film, but a realistic depiction of what life was most probably like back then, which is why I love it! Also has a great score, and Jennifer Jason Leigh was my first crush in this film ;)
yeah these reviewers are absolutely stealing a living. Movie needs a good guy, we need to know who she loves. No you fool the point of the movie is that in that period things like you say were brutal and gritty. In real life a woman can love multiple men, or the idea that she can lust for other men seems so alien to these guys. And the fact the movie doesnt do the hollywood black and white narrative makes it instantly more interesting then the cookie cutter crap we constantly get from hollywood.
I loved Deathwish 3. Its the atmospherics for me. I've even got the Blue ray film. Plus the Cinema poster as well. It's not for everyone. The 70 80and 90s best for movies compared to today's rubbish.
You wrote Fresh + Blood; should be Flesh + Blood. Anyway, Flesh + Blood was a great -- but very graphic and not for those who dislike gore -- early Paul Verhoeven film that comes two before his classic, Robocop.
For two “expert” movie critics who I miss quite a bit sometimes they really don’t understand Verhoeven’s work at all. To clue in anyone, he makes over the top mockeries of certain kinds of genres that are borderline exploitation. They often involve some insane technology that is comedic in nature. I thought this movie was fun as hell to watch like most things he has made.
@@nosilverharbinger I own this film...amongst at least 25+ Rutger movies. Yes, all that you outline is true...but it doesn't mean it's a good movie. Call it ...a bad movie We love to watch
@@highwaystar3780 Part of being a film expert and critic, at least that is how I would see it, would be determining if a movie would have any appeal to a certain audience. To be able to not just see and judge it from your own subjective point of view, but also from others. In this case Flesh and Blood did and does have a pretty strong appeal to quite a few people as it continues to see releases all the way into the Blu Ray era. Tons of of movies and series from 1985 and later have not fared nearly as well. It also was an inspiration for someone that recently passed away who arguably made one of the greatest works of fiction in modern times, but that's not a tangent I want to go into. I'm not as familiar with Rutger's movies as you seem to be. What do you think were his best movies?
@@nosilverharbinger I didn't expect that last loaded question ! Best film...or performance? I believe I've been enchanted by his overall presence and certain sarcasm than by his acting ability. I do think he's a good actor. In his book and interviews he always emphasizes that his most prolific role from Blade Runner. He appeared in tons of B trash over decades to keep busy. I can understand why stuff like The Hitcher or Blind Fury can't be taken seriously even though I get kick out of those. My introduction to him was in Night Hawks when I was 16 and I was mesmerized. Still am. It's his quintessential role as a cold blooded terrorist. Great and very underrated film as well. Lady Hawk is a very flawd movie but he steals the show there with charisma. And Turkish Delight is a must see. And Wanted Dead or Alive...to me is far superior than the Arnold and Stallone trash of 80s...lol . And everyone loves The Hitcher. And he won a Golden Globe for tv drama..Escape from Sobibor. So yeah, there's No best.
@@highwaystar3780 I can see your points, but people take Marvel movies very, very, seriously. This is anecdotal, but I work around people who you simply cannot say a bad word about any Marvel film up to Avengers: Endgame or you will simply be drowned out of the room. If those films can be so sacred then The Hitcher, Blade Runner, heck, Blade Runner 2049 definitely should be taken seriously. I feel like I'm often living in something that borders on Verhoeven's worlds sometimes. I really appreciate the recommendations. I'll try to get these all watched and get back to this thread at a later point. I was born considerably later in time than yourself, so I am drowning in wonderful things to watch at the moment. Oh, and if you like Verhoeven's work he made an episode of the Hitchhiker called "Last Scene", and there is another called "Lovesounds" which is in his same style. That series is utter trash, but I cannot help but enjoy it. Take care!
Gene on Death Wish 3: "It's cartoon." That's but one of the reasons the movie is awesome. A cartoon and comic book come to life, fantastic violence and action!
Flesh and Blood is so good this is one of those classic two thumbs down where they deride it for all its strengths and miss the entire point. Yeah its a medieval porno adventure film so to speak its sex and violence the film is called Flesh and Blood its not a historical accuracy film and yeah and it's about human reality not black and white morality. They nailed it. hahahahaha. amazing.
Love how Ebert, as he turns to face the camera, looks like he’s rolling his eyes with an “uggghhh, this movie is drek” look on his fat face, while he’s watching Bronson and his neighbor gun down those drive-by hoods. LOL
I remember liking White Knights but I can't remember anything about the story. I was fascinated by the dancing, especially watching Baryshnikov dance to rock music.
I loved the film Death Wish when I saw it in 1991 so much that I went out and got the sequels which I also loved. Death Wish 3 was my favourite of the sequels.
_Death Wish 3: White Nights_. C'mon, DW3 is so cheesy and the gangs so unthreatening that some tap & ballet might've accentuated Jimmy Page's hilariously dated popping synth-bass score.
@ricardocantoral7672 - not sure I'd rank it the best guilty pleasure film but I watch it annually and am hard-pressed to come up with a better candidate.
Personally, I enjoyed "Death Wish III" because it was laughable to the extreme for me. As for the other movie, "White Nights," I HATED it because Baryshnikov is such a pathetic diva of a performer anyway among other holes in the film's plot as well!
@@sha11235 Personally, because of how anyone had experienced some negative aspects of any Western society that had effected them like racism, sexism, and other social ills as well. Besides, not everything about the Soviet Union at the time was so negative either anyway.
I think it's a great lead in to Robocop for its use of gore and graphic violence. Of interest, though Siskel and Ebert trashed Flesh + Blood they loved Robocop.
Paul is a shit director. All of his films have a Cheap, Unsophisticated and amateur visual to them. In fact they All qualify as B movies. Cost no object. "Basic Instinct" is a terrible film. As are the rest. But,...All of them are extremely Campy to the point where you can watch them over n over. Why is that?? Perhaps they're so bad that I need to watch them repeatedly in order to verify it to myself!
THEY KILLED THE GIGGLER, MAN!
LOL 😆 “They had NO business doin’ that...NONE.”
"Makes a REAL MESS"
Going from Shoah to Death Wish 3. That's what cinema can do to you.
I remember another time (in a similar situation) Roger said something like "now we've got a step WAY down in quality"
I think Gene said that talking about Frozen Assets
@@09rjaIt was Gene, who said something very similar, after discussing the movie GoodFellas, and after moving on to the forgettable movie Narrow Margin. He said “Our next movie, we take a step down, here”. That was one of those moments, going from one of the year’s best films, to perhaps one of the worst!
I'm a fan of both. 😅 👍
R.I.P. Gregory Hines.
I've never seen Shoah in its entirety, but the clips I've seen, including the barber, are truly extraordinary. It's nothing less than the record of a great historical human tragedy.
I saw it a few years ago(today is 10/5/23, it was like 4 years ago.) It gets dull at times, but it's still a masterpiece. I got rid of my old Criterion DVD a while back, but I want to get a new one for Christmas.
Please see it, everyone who can, should.
People will still turn a blind eye to keep power & money. And go along with whatever the government & media tells them.
@@jaymike3302 *Conspiracy theory nutjob spotted.*
18:31 Death Wish 3
Shoah should have been released on TV in the US in episodic format. Too bad it wasn’t released to a wider audience over here.
It was shown on PBS in its entirety.
Now anyone can buy the fantastic Criterion Blu-ray.
In 1501 there were no clear cut good guys and bad guys, everything and everyone was a mess, out for themselves, just trying to stay alive. Is was gritty and brutal back then. Flesh and Blood is not a happy fantasy film, but a realistic depiction of what life was most probably like back then, which is why I love it! Also has a great score, and Jennifer Jason Leigh was my first crush in this film ;)
yeah these reviewers are absolutely stealing a living. Movie needs a good guy, we need to know who she loves. No you fool the point of the movie is that in that period things like you say were brutal and gritty. In real life a woman can love multiple men, or the idea that she can lust for other men seems so alien to these guys. And the fact the movie doesnt do the hollywood black and white narrative makes it instantly more interesting then the cookie cutter crap we constantly get from hollywood.
Yeah, FLESH + BLOOD is a masterpiece. One of the best films of the eighties, actually.
@@billyjesus5442Roger ebert was a very good film critic. He was just wrong there.
I loved Deathwish 3. Its the atmospherics for me. I've even got the Blue ray film. Plus the Cinema poster as well. It's not for everyone. The 70 80and 90s best for movies compared to today's rubbish.
DW3 is peak Bronson and a masterpiece.
"masterpiece" 😄
I love how worked up they get talking about the Germans shown in Shoah, as well they should
People will still turn a blind eye to keep power & money. And go along with whatever the government & media tells them.
Ebert regarding bronson\Kersey: ....”Strong like Buuuullll...” LMAO!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣
Shoah - best documentary film ever 👍🌟🌟🌟🌟
And it wasn't Oscar nominated.
"That's sort of tasteless kiddie porn?!!" Come on Siskel, JJL was in her twenties back then, not 12.
Death Wish 3 would kick them all to the curb. Long live Bronson!
but that was a crappy movie..even Bronson said how bad it was...
@@iluvmylovebirdandmybudgiet7729 Oh, it's bad but in my book, it's a guilty pleasure. Out of touch, Reagan-era paranoia at it's finest.
I think it is the weakest of the serie but it is still fun. Siskel was laughing at how ridiculous it was and that is exactly how it should be.viewed.
they made 2 more lmfao
Also the first of the DW movies done by Cannon films - so naturally cheesy and way way way over the top
You wrote Fresh + Blood; should be Flesh + Blood.
Anyway, Flesh + Blood was a great -- but very graphic and not for those who dislike gore -- early Paul Verhoeven film that comes two before his classic, Robocop.
For two “expert” movie critics who I miss quite a bit sometimes they really don’t understand Verhoeven’s work at all.
To clue in anyone, he makes over the top mockeries of certain kinds of genres that are borderline exploitation. They often involve some insane technology that is comedic in nature. I thought this movie was fun as hell to watch like most things he has made.
@@nosilverharbinger I own this film...amongst at least 25+ Rutger movies. Yes, all that you outline is true...but it doesn't mean it's a good movie. Call it ...a bad movie We love to watch
@@highwaystar3780 Part of being a film expert and critic, at least that is how I would see it, would be determining if a movie would have any appeal to a certain audience. To be able to not just see and judge it from your own subjective point of view, but also from others.
In this case Flesh and Blood did and does have a pretty strong appeal to quite a few people as it continues to see releases all the way into the Blu Ray era. Tons of of movies and series from 1985 and later have not fared nearly as well. It also was an inspiration for someone that recently passed away who arguably made one of the greatest works of fiction in modern times, but that's not a tangent I want to go into.
I'm not as familiar with Rutger's movies as you seem to be. What do you think were his best movies?
@@nosilverharbinger I didn't expect that last loaded question ! Best film...or performance? I believe I've been enchanted by his overall presence and certain sarcasm than by his acting ability. I do think he's a good actor. In his book and interviews he always emphasizes that his most prolific role from Blade Runner. He appeared in tons of B trash over decades to keep busy. I can understand why stuff like The Hitcher or Blind Fury can't be taken seriously even though I get kick out of those. My introduction to him was in Night Hawks when I was 16 and I was mesmerized. Still am. It's his quintessential role as a cold blooded terrorist. Great and very underrated film as well. Lady Hawk is a very flawd movie but he steals the show there with charisma. And Turkish Delight is a must see. And Wanted Dead or Alive...to me is far superior than the Arnold and Stallone trash of 80s...lol . And everyone loves The Hitcher. And he won a Golden Globe for tv drama..Escape from Sobibor. So yeah, there's No best.
@@highwaystar3780 I can see your points, but people take Marvel movies very, very, seriously. This is anecdotal, but I work around people who you simply cannot say a bad word about any Marvel film up to Avengers: Endgame or you will simply be drowned out of the room.
If those films can be so sacred then The Hitcher, Blade Runner, heck, Blade Runner 2049 definitely should be taken seriously. I feel like I'm often living in something that borders on Verhoeven's worlds sometimes.
I really appreciate the recommendations. I'll try to get these all watched and get back to this thread at a later point. I was born considerably later in time than yourself, so I am drowning in wonderful things to watch at the moment.
Oh, and if you like Verhoeven's work he made an episode of the Hitchhiker called "Last Scene", and there is another called "Lovesounds" which is in his same style. That series is utter trash, but I cannot help but enjoy it.
Take care!
Shoah is incredibly powerful in vividly evoking painful recollections of one of the worst events in human history.
Gene on Death Wish 3: "It's cartoon."
That's but one of the reasons the movie is awesome. A cartoon and comic book come to life, fantastic violence and action!
Flesh and Blood is so good this is one of those classic two thumbs down where they deride it for all its strengths and miss the entire point. Yeah its a medieval porno adventure film so to speak its sex and violence the film is called Flesh and Blood its not a historical accuracy film and yeah and it's about human reality not black and white morality. They nailed it. hahahahaha. amazing.
I like Verhoeven. I always wanted to see Flesh And Blood.
Love how Ebert, as he turns to face the camera, looks like he’s rolling his eyes with an “uggghhh, this movie is drek” look on his fat face, while he’s watching Bronson and his neighbor gun down those drive-by hoods. LOL
I remember liking White Knights but I can't remember anything about the story. I was fascinated by the dancing, especially watching Baryshnikov dance to rock music.
I don't know why iam suddenly addicted to these.
Well, it's great to listen to them in the old days, even on this incarnation.
I always got Flesh and Blood confused with Blood of the Heroes because Rutger Hauer was in both.
FLESH + BLOOD is a masterpiece. One of the best films of the eighties, actually. Two thumbs down, guys!
"White Nights" is fantastic.
I loved the film Death Wish when I saw it in 1991 so much that I went out and got the sequels which I also loved. Death Wish 3 was my favourite of the sequels.
Gene and Roger failed to see that Death Wish 3 was a COMEDY !
Flesh + Blood and Death Wish 3 were "Guilty-as-Hell Pleasures".
His name is Bernhard, not William.
White nights was a great film
We could so use a Charles Bronson in this day and age, . Wheres he at when u need him. . That's a pretty divers gang by the way.
White nights was an excellent movie. Thry thiught it should be a dance comedy? Thry were off. Thr Soviet Union was very brutal.
_Death Wish 3: White Nights_. C'mon, DW3 is so cheesy and the gangs so unthreatening that some tap & ballet might've accentuated Jimmy Page's hilariously dated popping synth-bass score.
For me, Death Wish 3 is the best guilty pleasure film ever made.
@ricardocantoral7672 - not sure I'd rank it the best guilty pleasure film but I watch it annually and am hard-pressed to come up with a better candidate.
Flesh and Blood good for JJ Leigh's na nas every 20 minutes; White Knights two amazing songs; Death Wish apologist here, all hail Kersey!
william goetz?
I thought the same.
I know. He meant Bernhard.
White Nights is a good movie.
15:47 " polish farmers that did nothing" and what they were suppose to do ? Country was brutally occupied. They couldn't do anything. Ridicilolous
Aaaaw! Kiddyporn = OKAY! ..if just a HERO 😲
This might be the strongest lineup they ever did.
Flesh & Blood is awful
They're right. Flesh + Blood is awful!
I don't want to watch a documentary bunch of gems lying about what happened. Thanks.
But flesh & blood is amazing.
Wtf?
cinema should entertain. shoah is a snooze-fest.
Not cool me not cool
It wasn't meant to entertain, no film about the holocaust has that in mind.
@@marcelineetyvan3665 you said it brother
@jdbankshot - You know what, YOU are NOT in charge of Hollywood because some films are NEVER meant for entertainment anyway! That's pure ignorance!
What an ignorant statement. It's a documentary film and a living testimony. It doesn't need to entertain you, it should horrify you
Personally, I enjoyed "Death Wish III" because it was laughable to the extreme for me. As for the other movie, "White Nights," I HATED it because Baryshnikov is such a pathetic diva of a performer anyway among other holes in the film's plot as well!
Same here regarding Death Wish 3. The film is delightfully stupid and I love it!
My question about White Nights: Why would anyone defect to the Soviet Union?
@@sha11235 Personally, because of how anyone had experienced some negative aspects of any Western society that had effected them like racism, sexism, and other social ills as well. Besides, not everything about the Soviet Union at the time was so negative either anyway.
Flesh + Blood: one of the pre-RoboCop films from Paul Verhoevan
Thank you, key info
I think it's a great lead in to Robocop for its use of gore and graphic violence. Of interest, though Siskel and Ebert trashed Flesh + Blood they loved Robocop.
Paul is a shit director. All of his films have a Cheap, Unsophisticated and amateur visual to them. In fact they All qualify as B movies. Cost no object. "Basic Instinct" is a terrible film. As are the rest. But,...All of them are extremely Campy to the point where you can watch them over n over. Why is that?? Perhaps they're so bad that I need to watch them repeatedly in order to verify it to myself!
“Spetters” is betters 😉
Great movie for fans of Game Of Thrones. It was too ruthless for general audiences.