The biggest advantages I see going with the Hyundai panels is mainly their size. You are going to get practically double the output for just a little more than half the space taken up on the roof by the other panels. As for current, you might have to reconfigure your current charge controllers, or get more, or even bigger ones. It will be exciting to watch this next project develop.
I have maxed out my roof with 3.6kWp at the moment. With the new panels, I can pack 4kWp in less space and still have the required safety area around the panels. I will re-use the old panels for other installations we will do in the future. Nothing gets wasted!
@@Matt-re8bt am I the only one who sees that the Hyundai panels are bigger then the others? If they are 15 % bigger, you don't save much space if they deliver 15% more energy.
@@clarencewiles963 How is that important? Solar panels are an investment and it makes no sense to put them in the shade. Efficiency on the other hand is very important, that and the price is what I am interested in more then anything else.
Thank you Andy for being such a GREAT educator! You bring so much value to everyone around the world with your channel. I so look forward to your updates. Keep it up brother! 😊
Interesting and informative test Andy, and once again you have demonstrated that there's nothing like real world testing to bring specs, marketing and science into reality. Thanks!
Thanks, Jack. Some of my viewers said they have the Hyundai panels and are pleased with their output. It will be very interesting to have them on the roof and compare the overall yield to the old panels.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Indeed, I'm looking forward to the result, and if for nothing else, it's good to have an alternative source country. Considering all the sun, your need for power, and the scientific minds you have in Australia, it would be good to see Australia become a world player in the solar market.
Andy since the Mppt is always searching for the ideal voltage to get the max power it doesn't say a lot the numbers it delivers to know if they're in parallel, in series or something in between, to have a clear picture you should consider open circuit voltage and short-circuit current while shading different parts of the solar panel
Hi Andy, thanks for testing, the Hyundai is offcourse less aged, but nonetheless the way they produce during partly shading is very nice and useful. Thanks for sharing and enjoy your spats
Oh, I can think of one more test you could start performing, to compare solar panels. I’d like to know how the different panels respond to various incident angles of the light. For example, we all know that panels perform best when they’re facing the light head on, but do some panels perform better at other angles? This could be particularly important for anyone using fixed mounts that can’t change angles. This is kind of analogous to viewing angles for LCD monitors.
OK, that's a great suggestion. You can already see the difference in the Victron VRM when looking at the Hyundai Shingled vs the Pool Fence solar. As the sun moves across during the day, they get different angles of light and have different power outputs. vrm.victronenergy.com/installation/100328/share/d0ebad4e
Got a good laugh at you cursing the clouds! Thanks for sharing. I have been wondering about shingled panels, especially since your last video looking at them.
The last one we tested were just the crappy attempt from a company to sell overpriced panels with no grunt and power output. These ones seem to perform as they should. And 25 years of warranty is a word!
Hi Andy from less sunny Melbourne. I have plugged in the specs to the Victron calculator Excel sheet and you will not be able to run 3 in series (on your 150/35). But if you had the VG series, then you could, because they are slightly lower Voc, and higher Isc. "Max pv voltage @ min temp." UF=158.5v VG=148.6v These panels are close in dimensions to your existing, so I assume you'd still mount 3 per rail. I'm perplexed as to the real-world difference between the UF and VG range - apart from a small gain in efficiency. Given the Victron SCC range has a 150Voc, then the VG would be better. Thanks for your great work. Rob.
Thanks Rob, that's what I said in the video 😉 The VGs are not available any more... and I would not be able to have three in series either due to the roofspace.
Hi Andy, nice video as always very interesting, probably it was already mentioned before, all the panes are parallel to each other, the difference you see in voltage / amps is actually the MPPT conversion (Good test for the victron very nice transformation) in order to measure the panels you have to either recover your tester or use a known value resistor and calculate the voltage across to estimate the power.
I think the two parallel MPPTS of the same model showed all the numbers to compare the panels. Unfortunately, I don't have a half-cut 400W panel to make it fair to compare.
Great video Andy! The breakdown of power per area was extremely helpful for evaluating these panels as overall space available is an important variable for many people. I'm in the U.S. so I'm not sure if these are available here yet (and of course at what price including delivery), but you'll have to do another video where you include the watt per area per dollar, even if it's just in Aussie bucks. Then we'll get the ultimate ultimate comparison evaluation video, heh. Hope all is well and Prostata!
Thank you, yeah, doing more testing as we speak. I have now both panels connected to the large battery and keep testing. I haven't got a final price yet and it's a bit hard to know as I'm getting these incentives and it is all clear as mud how much they would cost i real life.
Thank you. Yeah, still running the old version of Vegas which I bought on eBay 6 years ago for little money. Working great, does everything I need. And I know its features. Just haven't got time to look at other options and learn a new program.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia VG. Last week I succeeded to connect JK BMS and Cerbo GX using Louis Van Der Walt serial driver. It works on Cerbo GX. And JK BMS SOC is used now by Victron
A great video with awesome comparisons! Keep it up Andy I'm a follower of your videos and also an off-grid solar user since 17-Jul-2022. Below is our setup: - Growatt SPF 5000 ES inverter - 4 x 460W solar panels (JA Solar JAM72S20-460/MR/1000V; 144-cell half cut mono-crystaline PERC) - 15 x 105Ah 3.2V LiFePO4 cells with BMS (TDT-8480-20S)
A bit of trivia on the name Hyundai- They had a run of TV ads in the USA and Canada when they were introducing the automotive brand - the message of this campaign was “Hyundai rhymes with Sunday”. Nice panels!
Great Video, We are looking at the Hyundai 390-uf for our system in Tasmania. Lots of cloudy days, rain and some shading. It's hard to find good information on these subjects. Most is related to mainland conditions. I was very interested in your results especially in those conditions.
These panels work great in all conditions. I'm really impressed with their performance having them for 3 months now. An I constantly monitor them through the app😉 the 390-UF are the older panels though, the new ones are 415-UF, same size but 415W output. I have made a few videos just after the installation in different conditions showing the performance and they don't disappoint.
Seriously Andy, for that size I would say they are “significantly” better than the other two. Look at the size difference. It’s like half the size for the same productions. But anyways thank you for the video always awesome quality
They will be following the rails and existing roof angle. Only on the flat carport, we will have a 10° angle on the panels so the water and dirt can run off.
I have those panels in the UK. Have made a car port and use them as the roofing materials. Silicon the edge to limit the drips! LOL. Keeps the rain off my car and generates power when sun is out. Matched them to a solar edge 2.2kw inverter.
When I have to carry/move my large panels I put on those grippy work gloves, the ones with rubber palms. They make carrying hot and bulky panels SO much easier.
Can't Wait to see the new solar array, Andy! Congratulations! Those Hyundai panels were very impressive in almost all of your tests . You are going to have more power than you know what to do with. You will have to get more 304Ah EVE cells and you can become your own power substation and the electric company will be paying you every month!
All very nice, so the Hyundai panel has an equivalent or even higher performance than your „Canadian Sharp“ Combo. But what you have not taken into account is that it takes up much less space! If you look at the output/squaremeter ratio, the shingled panels by far excel the Canadian/Sharp combo. The new panels should nearly double the output on your roof (or help you reach the same output with less space - if you have to observe the legally required distances to the edges etc). So perfectly understandable that you ordered the panels, Andi!
Jeeze, with all the wildlife it was like the Hyundai shingled solar panel was Simba in the Lion King song Circle of Life. What was that a monkey in the background? 🤣 I liked the shingled panel though. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for these really interesting practical testings! One idea for some more comparable shadow-yield-tests: testing in full sun light with panels covered with some sort of mesh or fabric to „apply“ the exact same amount of shadow should give much more trusty numbers than just dealing with some differently sized tree-shadows…😇
More testing in place at the moment. I have now two of them in series and connected to the big battery. It's also visible in the VRM with all data and stats. vrm.victronenergy.com/installation/100328/share/d0ebad4e
Get your self a hand truck with air tires, and a angle iron on the bottom to protect the panel. So you can roll them around. The new system are getting bigger and heavier. Keep doing your good updates, thanks.
Awsome testing, and results. Another interesting test would be the 2 Hyundai's separate,1 in full sun at temperature and the other being cooled by a mist or drizzle of water.
Or two Hyundai panels - one in perfect orientation and elevation and one on a second controller with the same orientation and elevation of your shed roof. Such a test could also be compared against your sharp combo to determine if one technology is affected more by less than optimum orientation.
Plus I'm getting 6x540W half-cut Phono panels on the Tesla carport on a 10° angle. Na, this won't be enough, there will be more. We will re-use all the panels from the garage for other projects 💪
Great video, Andy. From the looks of the way the panels responded to shading, it seems that you could gain quite a bit of production by properly orientating the panels. In your test example, if the shading were to move from side to side across the panel, rather than from top to bottom, production could be maximized, versus having the shading move from top to bottom. What do you think?
That is true bit very hard to achieve. Due to the limited space on the roof, there is only one orientation for the panels possible. And if I could 'waste' more space for having them oriented differently, I would probably rather install more panels on this space to compensate for any loss in shading conditions. But more testing is on the way...
Hey great stuff, thx a lot. One more general question: could u do a test placing solar panels facing the "opposit" side of the incoming solar radiation? This would be the case if one chooses to put solar panels on a roof which faces north (northern hemisphere) trying to catch especially the diffuse part of the solar radiation... i would be excited to see the results
Thanks for the video, there is nothing better than real tests to check the behavior of the panel I have a 410W Hyundai VG panel that I wanted to install on my 12V camper. Unfortunately, after reading a lot, I think that it is not the most recommended due to the amount of shadows to the left and right that the roof rack of my van can generate. (Since the panel I have to place it vertically and not horizontally as in your tests). I guess I have time to do tests, but I don't know if 2 panels of 200W in series will be a better option...
Great panels, amazing for the marine world as their footprint is small and they suffer shading from the mast very well. Bi- facials used to be the go too for marine, but these have taken over. Glad you got some for yourself Andy, you won't be disappointed.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia salt water protection is an important feature for marine applications for sure. They use the "adhesive conductor" tech that makes them resistant to damage from expansion and contraction from temperature fluctuations, and also the flexing that all boats experience while out at sea.
So, many thanks for testing of your solar panel tester WS400A 😁I've been just about to buy such a device, but now... I'll look for annother company, which fuses the limits to avoid smoke...
Brilliant review, thank you! If you have a metal roof that's a bit reflective, I would consider bifacial panels... I think they would work great, but that's not based on experience but based on reading about the technology.
Regardless of whether or not cell strings are parallel or series we must calculate shading of each cell as a load - a resistance load which in deed can be a variable resistance load. Generally, shading introduces high resistance in the circuit where electrical energy transforms to light heat and sound. ✌️👁️👀👁️👍
Without looking at other comments, per pane looks to be a standard voltage rate of 14vV/2.85A @ 3% tolerance. So 14x10=140 / 140x2.85=399w +/- 11.97w@3% . 14v @ 2.8-3A with 3-5% tolerance is common in the electrical 12v charging/power world of DC electronics. Good show. And yes. You need a new tester. No need to accidently short the panel after the tester shorts. Sad part is the same tester at higher voltage likely has nothing more than the regulators with heatsinks on them.
Nice test. I wanted to see if these Hyundai panels look as nice as they say, and how they perform in various conditions. You could not have done better. It is impressive to see how well the shingled panel handles partial shade. And even more so considering the much larger surface area of the combined competition. Seems to me that shingled is the way to go if trees are a factor. In my situation i have some ventilation and heating chimneys that cast a long shadow early in the morning. So in portrait, it should be able to handle that. On a very cloudy day any panel will do. Not much to lose anyway and the scattered light makes any optimizer or bypass diode quite useless.
If you put a wooden pole or similar under the back of the panel to lift it to the right angle, it can crack the silicon cell as there is no glass on the back, just a thin plastic film. always support it by the frame.
Around 22mins you have all cells partially covered & u still have 43v but no watts output, I still think ur correct Andy, they are in parallel, but no readable current (& therefore no watts) are being produced, while still producing a voltage. Just prior to this the panel was half covered to produce 15.98v & 10-12A or 170W (about), I think it is because the mppt controller is dropping the voltage to get max power point, so ur still getting near half the power @ 170Watts while the panel is half covered & some losses from temp, wire length, faint cloud cover, controller losses etc, may account for some other losses here. I am not sure why u doubt yourself here, I still think it is paralleled cells as u could produce a voltage at night with a torch, but no appreciable current or wattage output, does this sound reasonable? Thanks for all ur testing & theories. Cheers
Thank you. I'm still not 100% sure myself how they are connected within this panels. They act differently. And also, do we have bypass diodes in the connection box? Do these panels still need them?
Based on solar serious cells along the length side or along the width side of the solar panel, the solar panel vertical or horizontal installation is matter/important during the early morning and at the end of the day when the sun gradually change its shine to the solar panel or when the shades appear/gone.
Andy, bringing up again, I have this same issue with 5x49.3volts and my Growatt handles 250V. I want to explore building a voltage limiter to prevent the series from exceeding the Inverter's capacity - what do you think?
Someone here just said to tape off an area of one of the panels for 6 months until the first degradation took place and remove it afterwards again. A bit of a rough method... Is it getting cold at your place and also have a look at the specs of your panels if they also have any tolerances like the Hyundais have (+-3% Voc).
Yeh I think you might be right 5 in parrellel 2 in series. Your results would have been very different with a 24v battery as 1 single set of strings would not have been enough voltage.
Each lane has 36 cells in series so it takes two 'lanes' in series to create the full 72 series cells yielding 72 x 0.64v = 46.1 v Voc or 72 x 0.53v = 39.2 v Vmp. So likely two adjacent lanes make the series cells for one of five parallel strings. Each lane pair produces about 2 amps. Think of it like putting five 72 cells 2 amp panels in parallel. All PV cells have some shunt leakage current so shaded lanes leakage with drag down the unshaded pairs current somewhat.
I realized these are PERC cells so their Vmp and Voc per cell is a little greater that normal cells. PERC cells have back side layer reflective, so it reflects light that penetrates through wafer back into junction, improving efficiency of cell a little bit. So there are five row pairs, with each row pair having 72 series connected cells (cut cells). Each of five substrings are wired in parallel. Each of the five parallel pairs produces close to 2 amps Isc or 1.9 amps Imp. There is likely only one bypass diode across output terminals of panel. This is acceptable because each substring on can produce a maximum of about 2 amps.
It survived somehow but has this funny smell now. I assume they are using a resistor to bleed off the energy when measuring and it got a bit too warm. I'll open it up at some stage and see if I can replace it.
Thank you for the great video Andy! Im just about to buy the Hyundai 490Wp panels with Enphase iq7a, but these micros are rated at max 366W power output. What inverter system would you recommend to get the most out of the panels woth a bit of shading? Even after 25years the hyundai panels should have ~410Wp, rated way above the 366W max power output of the micros so it feels like a waste of money to buy such high rated panels.
Your dc/ac is 1.338, certainly within the acceptable standards. You will see some clipping. It depends on the latitude of your location, orientation and inclination of the panels, ambient temperature, solar irradiance and shading on the panels. Enphase has published some papers that you can find online and basically they say that energy loss from clipping over the life span of the system is minimal. You can use the PvWatts model to calculate output with various dc/ac ratios. In the Enphase forum a few discussions are going on about clipping without reaching any conclusions. I have Hyundai and Enphase and I see some clipping but it’s extremely difficult to calculate how much exactly. Overall the system works well. Enphase claims that the smaller inverters produce more when they are not clipping and there is some evidence that this is correct at least to some extend. I would go ahead with the system. I suspect you have multi oriented panels and that’s why you go with Enphase. The other option is Solaredge and probably you will have a bit more yield, but they are not as reliable as Enphase
Vielen vielen Dank für den wirklich ausführlichen Test. Bestätigt meine Vermutung dass die ganzen Marketingaussagen "hervorragendes Schwachlichtverhalten" etc. genau das sind: Marketingblabla. Tests dazu waren bisher aber praktisch nicht zu finden....bis jetzt. Natürlich sollte man nicht verallgemeinern, dein Test gibt aber einen sehr guten Hinweis dass man diese Aussagen mit Vorsicht genießen sollte.
Yes, seems, they are not better in low light conditions than other panels. With the shade of the trees though they seem to have an advantage due to their structure and how they are connected internally.
I will go for cost per watt at my farm at least where space is not a problem. I take the cheapest I can find and put it up. At home it may be different as space is more valuable but as I have what I am allowed to at home (and then some) it is not relevant right now. Thanks for your testing anyway. It was interesting.
Yeah, ordered one right after the 'incident' 😁 Here are the specs of both the VG and UF panels (it's halfway down on their side): www.hyundaisolar.com.au/
Do you know the difference between the 400UF and the 400VG? The UF is a bit shorter (1646mm) and classed as M3 and The VG is a bit longer (1719mm) and classed as M6. Slight differences in voltages and current but what the main difference?
The main difference is the voltage. Two of the VG in series will just be enough to charge a 48V battery but with a bit of shading, they may stop charging. The UF with higher voltage will be much better for my setup. You can see and compare both on the Hyundai Solar website about halfway down: www.hyundaisolar.com.au/
Hi. Are you running an actual load or you deployed the 'virtual load output' to simulate load on the panel? My MPPT controller does not show me more than 2 digits watts whenever I connect a panel without a load on it.
Nice test! Man, panels are 2x as expensive as last year... That is if you hire a company too do it a to z. Insane. Thinking about ordering myself SunPower P6 400W panels with IQ7+ inverters(11 to 13). Then hire a company to install the panels and do in-house electronics myself. Any thoughts? (This is for my main residence. The off-grid is Victron managed)
Yeah, all the electric is not DIY stuff unfortunately. The insurance does not like that. I'm glad I found an electrician in this area who knows what to do and can help me out here...
I have noticed that power optimisers on ebay seem pretty cheap. They put MPPT at the solar panel. Not sure if have to run all panels with optimizers on or if can just do the ones getting more shade in parts of the day. Also interested in trying out enphase grid tie inverters on panels but think need the whole setup and they dont support offgrid use though seen some using it as long as your loads stay on and use more than the grid tie will produce to not impact the off grid 'grid' production.
They usually clash with the MPPT of your system as you now have two MPPTs working on the same panels. You can kill your MPPT with that sort of setup. I have some micro inverters here which I will test at some stage for another installation on the property...
I have got 2293W and the screenshot of it from the victron 150-35 charge controller! It was only for a split second (don't ask how much time I have spent looking at the screen waiting for a higher peak, yeah I don't have much of a life LoL)... And the panels are close to 15 year's old!!!! The things that you can purchase from Gumtree and market place LoL... Hey Andy, how did you get the government grant for the Hyundai panels? Is there anything that we need to know to be eligible???? A video on this topic would be great and useful information for Australia but it might also be interesting for other people around the world how it works in sunny hot down under!
Thanks Peter, I talked about the subsidy in the 'electrician' video. It's available here in Australia when you get the solar installed by and installer and if the panels are connected to approved equipment (like Victron gear, but also many others...). ruclips.net/video/obGwHrt08-k/видео.html
@@OffGridGarageAustralia so does that mean that you are going to have the new panels installed by someone else? Because when you mentioned that you have ordered the new panels, I automatically thought that you will be installing them and then you mentioned the government discount and I thought how? Is this possible for self installation? If so, then I need to know how because I would be more inclined to get new panels and do it myself... My setup is completely in and on the garage! I still have the whole house rooftop for panels! And while these new panels are great, a different charge controller is going to be needed to get at least 3 panels in a series string! It's cutting it too close to the limit of the 150-35 victron charge controller... Maybe it's time to see what other products victron might have that will give plenty of headroom for 3 or 4 panels in a series string....
@@PeterMilanovski You can only apply for the gov subsidy if they are installed by an accredited installer and also connected to approved equipment. So for this part, I will have them installed by a contractor. He will also make some minor changes to the battery system as I outlined in the video here: ruclips.net/video/obGwHrt08-k/видео.html Victron has also the 250/xxx series and the large RS MPPTs which can handle 450V for larger strings. That's both not for me though due to the shading conditions. I stay with the 150/xx controllers and will have many strings in parallel.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia thank you Andy! It's been a pleasure chatting with you. You are an amazing person which is reflected in your RUclips channel! It is after all the most popular channel here on RUclips regarding solar energy bar none! Looking forward to all the future videos.
i have these panels 420watt each when they are half shaded they still work i think there called q cells i might be wrong lol but been working great for over a year now in the summer they were producing me 6kw a day.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I’ve got almost exactly 1kW on the van, with a wide mix of various panels which have been added over time - the oldest being 3 Japanese 120w panels I bought in about 2001. They were about $10 a watt, ($1200 each panel) AND they were “bigger” dollars of course.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I’d LOVE to fit new panels on my caravan Andy - they’re mostly old (and inefficient) by today’s standards. Interesting - my original Japanese panels from a little over 20 years ago were AUD$1200 each, for 120w panels, ie $10 per watt, and they were much bigger dollars too! However it would still be a big expense and also probably a bigger factor: I’m getting too old for such jobs.
Hi u need to buy 800W solar panel tester. Also buy bifacial panels so that you want have this back panel cracking. JA solar hv some good panels. Also they are half cut so it works great with shading. Sorry I couldn't comment before my phone was broken. :)
28 panels at up to 400W means over 11kW of solar, so the existing MPPTs are insufficient. Are you planning on upgrading the Victron MPPTs, or will you be looking at trying out an all-in-one to pair up with PowerWall 2.1? Something like a Deye SUN-12K-SG01LP1-EU would be able to handle the panel power and be much simpler to wire up (although the battery charge configuration may be troublesome).
@@andybierlair Ah yes, they look the business; an RS 450/200 with 4 strings of 7 panels might keep the wiring simpler and allow the MPPT to gather the most power in shaded areas.
That was the plan from the beginning of designing the PowerWall. We left some space for additional MPPTs in the top left-hand corner of the wall. They will all be 150V MPPTs and one controller will drive on space of the roof (west, east, shed and carport). The RS controllers will not work for me due to the shading. It makes no sense to run high DC with long strings in my case.
A 1 ohm 500w resistor across the output of the panel. Measure the voltage. Square the voltage and you have the watt out of the panel. The longer you leave it hooked up the hotter the resistor. Ohms law
I would suspect the difference in warranty in the U.S. would be legal reasons. This does not necessarily mean one is better/worse, but knowing how laws work here in the U.S.... It is probably more complicated, and they either have not had the time yet to offer a warranty that is safe for them, OR, they don't want to deal with the potential legal side here.
Mal eine ganz andere Frage: wie sieht es eigentlich aus mit dem giftigen Australien Getier in deiner Garage, zb Trichternetz oder Redback Spinnen, oder gibt es bei dir keine?
Yes, it did! It is working again but still has this funny smell. Must have burned a resistor halfway or so... I'll open it at some stage and have a look.
The biggest advantages I see going with the Hyundai panels is mainly their size. You are going to get practically double the output for just a little more than half the space taken up on the roof by the other panels. As for current, you might have to reconfigure your current charge controllers, or get more, or even bigger ones. It will be exciting to watch this next project develop.
Bang-on, @Farside. It's about the density you can fit on your roof.
I have maxed out my roof with 3.6kWp at the moment. With the new panels, I can pack 4kWp in less space and still have the required safety area around the panels.
I will re-use the old panels for other installations we will do in the future. Nothing gets wasted!
@@Matt-re8bt am I the only one who sees that the Hyundai panels are bigger then the others? If they are 15 % bigger,
you don't save much space if they deliver 15% more energy.
@@edmundzed9870 but with the setup on the panel you can take advantage of shade. If you loose half of the panel it’s still putting out energy.
@@clarencewiles963 How is that important? Solar panels are an investment and it makes no sense to put them in the shade.
Efficiency on the other hand is very important, that and the price is what I am interested in more then anything else.
Thank you Andy for being such a GREAT educator! You bring so much value to everyone around the world with your channel. I so look forward to your updates. Keep it up brother! 😊
Thanks a lot Dan 🙏
A return viewer today, just shows how sharing a wealth of knowledge openly on the Internet is the gift that keeps on giving!
Thanks a lot Trevor!
Interesting and informative test Andy, and once again you have demonstrated that there's nothing like real world testing to bring specs, marketing and science into reality. Thanks!
Thanks, Jack. Some of my viewers said they have the Hyundai panels and are pleased with their output. It will be very interesting to have them on the roof and compare the overall yield to the old panels.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Indeed, I'm looking forward to the result, and if for nothing else, it's good to have an alternative source country.
Considering all the sun, your need for power, and the scientific minds you have in Australia, it would be good to see Australia become a world player in the solar market.
Great testing - I like that you did it in various weather conditions. Nothing beats real-world results. Those Hyundai panels are impressive.
Thank you, yeah, wanted to know how they perform under different conditions. More testing coming.
Andy since the Mppt is always searching for the ideal voltage to get the max power it doesn't say a lot the numbers it delivers to know if they're in parallel, in series or something in between, to have a clear picture you should consider open circuit voltage and short-circuit current while shading different parts of the solar panel
Agree
That's why I turned off the charger in the controller, so it shows the Voc, the Vmp 😉
Hi Andy, thanks for testing, the Hyundai is offcourse less aged, but nonetheless the way they produce during partly shading is very nice and useful. Thanks for sharing and enjoy your spats
Thanks Edward. Yeah, new vs old but therefore the Canadian Sharp have 10% more output (400W vs. 435W).
Oh, I can think of one more test you could start performing, to compare solar panels. I’d like to know how the different panels respond to various incident angles of the light. For example, we all know that panels perform best when they’re facing the light head on, but do some panels perform better at other angles? This could be particularly important for anyone using fixed mounts that can’t change angles. This is kind of analogous to viewing angles for LCD monitors.
OK, that's a great suggestion. You can already see the difference in the Victron VRM when looking at the Hyundai Shingled vs the Pool Fence solar. As the sun moves across during the day, they get different angles of light and have different power outputs.
vrm.victronenergy.com/installation/100328/share/d0ebad4e
Got a good laugh at you cursing the clouds!
Thanks for sharing. I have been wondering about shingled panels, especially since your last video looking at them.
The last one we tested were just the crappy attempt from a company to sell overpriced panels with no grunt and power output. These ones seem to perform as they should. And 25 years of warranty is a word!
Hi Andy from less sunny Melbourne.
I have plugged in the specs to the Victron calculator Excel sheet and you will not be able to run 3 in series (on your 150/35).
But if you had the VG series, then you could, because they are slightly lower Voc, and higher Isc.
"Max pv voltage @ min temp." UF=158.5v VG=148.6v
These panels are close in dimensions to your existing, so I assume you'd still mount 3 per rail.
I'm perplexed as to the real-world difference between the UF and VG range - apart from a small gain in efficiency.
Given the Victron SCC range has a 150Voc, then the VG would be better.
Thanks for your great work.
Rob.
Thanks Rob, that's what I said in the video 😉 The VGs are not available any more... and I would not be able to have three in series either due to the roofspace.
Hi Andy, nice video as always very interesting, probably it was already mentioned before, all the panes are parallel to each other, the difference you see in voltage / amps is actually the MPPT conversion (Good test for the victron very nice transformation) in order to measure the panels you have to either recover your tester or use a known value resistor and calculate the voltage across to estimate the power.
I think the two parallel MPPTS of the same model showed all the numbers to compare the panels. Unfortunately, I don't have a half-cut 400W panel to make it fair to compare.
Great video Andy! The breakdown of power per area was extremely helpful for evaluating these panels as overall space available is an important variable for many people. I'm in the U.S. so I'm not sure if these are available here yet (and of course at what price including delivery), but you'll have to do another video where you include the watt per area per dollar, even if it's just in Aussie bucks. Then we'll get the ultimate ultimate comparison evaluation video, heh. Hope all is well and Prostata!
Thank you, yeah, doing more testing as we speak. I have now both panels connected to the large battery and keep testing. I haven't got a final price yet and it's a bit hard to know as I'm getting these incentives and it is all clear as mud how much they would cost i real life.
Still my favorite RUclips channel!
Awhhhh, thanks so much!
Those Hyundai's seem really good 👍
Good to see a fellow Vegas Pro video editor 👍🍻
Looking forward to you next vid 🎉🥳 Cheers Andy 🍻🍻
Thank you. Yeah, still running the old version of Vegas which I bought on eBay 6 years ago for little money. Working great, does everything I need. And I know its features. Just haven't got time to look at other options and learn a new program.
I use those panels since last spring. Great product. I have 410w
Great, do you have the UF or VG panels?
@@OffGridGarageAustralia VG.
Last week I succeeded to connect JK BMS and Cerbo GX using Louis Van Der Walt serial driver. It works on Cerbo GX. And JK BMS SOC is used now by Victron
A great video with awesome comparisons! Keep it up Andy
I'm a follower of your videos and also an off-grid solar user since 17-Jul-2022.
Below is our setup:
- Growatt SPF 5000 ES inverter
- 4 x 460W solar panels (JA Solar JAM72S20-460/MR/1000V; 144-cell half cut mono-crystaline PERC)
- 15 x 105Ah 3.2V LiFePO4 cells with BMS (TDT-8480-20S)
Thanks Amil. Wow, look at you, what a great setup, nice!
A bit of trivia on the name Hyundai- They had a run of TV ads in the USA and Canada when they were introducing the automotive brand - the message of this campaign was “Hyundai rhymes with Sunday”.
Nice panels!
Great Video, We are looking at the Hyundai 390-uf for our system in Tasmania. Lots of cloudy days, rain and some shading. It's hard to find good information on these subjects. Most is related to mainland conditions. I was very interested in your results especially in those conditions.
These panels work great in all conditions. I'm really impressed with their performance having them for 3 months now. An I constantly monitor them through the app😉
the 390-UF are the older panels though, the new ones are 415-UF, same size but 415W output.
I have made a few videos just after the installation in different conditions showing the performance and they don't disappoint.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Hyundia need to change their website, I can only find the UF series in 385, 390, 395 and 400W
Seriously Andy, for that size I would say they are “significantly” better than the other two. Look at the size difference. It’s like half the size for the same productions.
But anyways thank you for the video always awesome quality
Yes, they are, I talked about this in the video and compared the size and output.
Will you be changing any of the panel angles or these will be going straight onto existing rails? Keen to find out. Another great project Andy. Thanks
They will be following the rails and existing roof angle. Only on the flat carport, we will have a 10° angle on the panels so the water and dirt can run off.
I have those panels in the UK. Have made a car port and use them as the roofing materials. Silicon the edge to limit the drips! LOL. Keeps the rain off my car and generates power when sun is out. Matched them to a solar edge 2.2kw inverter.
Nice, thanks for sharing. So, your panels are the roof? That's a great idea for a car port.
Agree with Farside here. W/area is significantly better with the Hyundai. I will look to get some of these here in the UK!
When I have to carry/move my large panels I put on those grippy work gloves, the ones with rubber palms. They make carrying hot and bulky panels SO much easier.
Good stuff Andy - the reason they are not warrantied outside Aus and Europe is they are not available outside those locations-
Interesting...
Can't Wait to see the new solar array, Andy! Congratulations! Those Hyundai panels were very impressive in almost all of your tests . You are going to have more power than you know what to do with. You will have to get more 304Ah EVE cells and you can become your own power substation and the electric company will be paying you every month!
All very nice, so the Hyundai panel has an equivalent or even higher performance than your „Canadian Sharp“ Combo. But what you have not taken into account is that it takes up much less space! If you look at the output/squaremeter ratio, the shingled panels by far excel the Canadian/Sharp combo. The new panels should nearly double the output on your roof (or help you reach the same output with less space - if you have to observe the legally required distances to the edges etc). So perfectly understandable that you ordered the panels, Andi!
Thanks Philip. I have considered the size and compared the power output to the other panels in the video. You may not have watched that far 😁
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Yes, I had entered the comment before you came to that conclusion in the end by yourself! 😀
Jeeze, with all the wildlife it was like the Hyundai shingled solar panel was Simba in the Lion King song Circle of Life. What was that a monkey in the background? 🤣 I liked the shingled panel though. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Andy, 400 x 28 is a lot of killer wasps 🤔 Be great in the winter 👍
Plus 6x540W Phone half cut panels for the car port. Yeah, this is all for winter usage basically. Summer is never a problem...
You too Andy, stay charged stay safe and thanks for your informative videos!
Thanks for these really interesting practical testings! One idea for some more comparable shadow-yield-tests: testing in full sun light with panels covered with some sort of mesh or fabric to „apply“ the exact same amount of shadow should give much more trusty numbers than just dealing with some differently sized tree-shadows…😇
More testing in place at the moment. I have now two of them in series and connected to the big battery. It's also visible in the VRM with all data and stats. vrm.victronenergy.com/installation/100328/share/d0ebad4e
Get your self a hand truck with air tires, and a angle iron on the bottom to protect the panel. So you can roll them around. The new system are getting bigger and heavier. Keep doing your good updates, thanks.
Awsome testing, and results. Another interesting test would be the 2 Hyundai's separate,1 in full sun at temperature and the other being cooled by a mist or drizzle of water.
Or two Hyundai panels - one in perfect orientation and elevation and one on a second controller with the same orientation and elevation of your shed roof. Such a test could also be compared against your sharp combo to determine if one technology is affected more by less than optimum orientation.
Doing more testing as we speak...
Just got to the end of the video.........28!! 😲😲😲😲 Soooo looking forward to your next video now! Wont that many be enough to power Australia tho?! 😂😂
Plus I'm getting 6x540W half-cut Phono panels on the Tesla carport on a 10° angle.
Na, this won't be enough, there will be more. We will re-use all the panels from the garage for other projects 💪
Great video, Andy. From the looks of the way the panels responded to shading, it seems that you could gain quite a bit of production by properly orientating the panels. In your test example, if the shading were to move from side to side across the panel, rather than from top to bottom, production could be maximized, versus having the shading move from top to bottom. What do you think?
That is true bit very hard to achieve. Due to the limited space on the roof, there is only one orientation for the panels possible. And if I could 'waste' more space for having them oriented differently, I would probably rather install more panels on this space to compensate for any loss in shading conditions.
But more testing is on the way...
Uiiiii..... neue Module😍 für die Off-Grid Garage
Hey great stuff, thx a lot. One more general question: could u do a test placing solar panels facing the "opposit" side of the incoming solar radiation? This would be the case if one chooses to put solar panels on a roof which faces north (northern hemisphere) trying to catch especially the diffuse part of the solar radiation... i would be excited to see the results
Sure, can do. I'll do a comparison with different directions and angles.
@@OffGridGarageAustraliawow cool. thx a lot 😁
Thanks for the video, there is nothing better than real tests to check the behavior of the panel
I have a 410W Hyundai VG panel that I wanted to install on my 12V camper. Unfortunately, after reading a lot, I think that it is not the most recommended due to the amount of shadows to the left and right that the roof rack of my van can generate. (Since the panel I have to place it vertically and not horizontally as in your tests).
I guess I have time to do tests, but I don't know if 2 panels of 200W in series will be a better option...
the 800 W panel tester is way better. Testet it already with 550W panels in sunny germany back in summer. No smoke, no overheating, no fear. Works.
Great panels, amazing for the marine world as their footprint is small and they suffer shading from the mast very well. Bi- facials used to be the go too for marine, but these have taken over. Glad you got some for yourself Andy, you won't be disappointed.
And they are especially protected from salt water, it says in the specs.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia salt water protection is an important feature for marine applications for sure. They use the "adhesive conductor" tech that makes them resistant to damage from expansion and contraction from temperature fluctuations, and also the flexing that all boats experience while out at sea.
@@boatelectricaldiy They are indeed quite flexible, so ideal for such applications where this is needed.
So, many thanks for testing of your solar panel tester WS400A 😁I've been just about to buy such a device, but now... I'll look for annother company, which fuses the limits to avoid smoke...
Brilliant review, thank you!
If you have a metal roof that's a bit reflective, I would consider bifacial panels... I think they would work great, but that's not based on experience but based on reading about the technology.
Regardless of whether or not cell strings are parallel or series we must calculate shading of each cell as a load - a resistance load which in deed can be a variable resistance load. Generally, shading introduces high resistance in the circuit where electrical energy transforms to light heat and sound. ✌️👁️👀👁️👍
Thanks Andy. Great stuff as always 👊🏾
Thanks Lennie!
Without looking at other comments, per pane looks to be a standard voltage rate of 14vV/2.85A @ 3% tolerance. So 14x10=140 / 140x2.85=399w +/- 11.97w@3% .
14v @ 2.8-3A with 3-5% tolerance is common in the electrical 12v charging/power world of DC electronics.
Good show. And yes. You need a new tester. No need to accidently short the panel after the tester shorts. Sad part is the same tester at higher voltage likely has nothing more than the regulators with heatsinks on them.
Nice test. I wanted to see if these Hyundai panels look as nice as they say, and how they perform in various conditions. You could not have done better.
It is impressive to see how well the shingled panel handles partial shade.
And even more so considering the much larger surface area of the combined competition.
Seems to me that shingled is the way to go if trees are a factor.
In my situation i have some ventilation and heating chimneys that cast a long shadow early in the morning. So in portrait, it should be able to handle that.
On a very cloudy day any panel will do. Not much to lose anyway and the scattered light makes any optimizer or bypass diode quite useless.
Hey Andy @offgridgarage
Have you been looking at the N type panels coming into the market?
I’m looking at the Jinko Neo N type
If you put a wooden pole or similar under the back of the panel to lift it to the right angle, it can crack the silicon cell as there is no glass on the back, just a thin plastic film. always support it by the frame.
You're going to have 11200kw in panels????? W0W! 👍👍 two thumbs up.
Around 22mins you have all cells partially covered & u still have 43v but no watts output, I still think ur correct Andy, they are in parallel, but no readable current (& therefore no watts) are being produced, while still producing a voltage. Just prior to this the panel was half covered to produce 15.98v & 10-12A or 170W (about), I think it is because the mppt controller is dropping the voltage to get max power point, so ur still getting near half the power @ 170Watts while the panel is half covered & some losses from temp, wire length, faint cloud cover, controller losses etc, may account for some other losses here. I am not sure why u doubt yourself here, I still think it is paralleled cells as u could produce a voltage at night with a torch, but no appreciable current or wattage output, does this sound reasonable? Thanks for all ur testing & theories. Cheers
Thank you. I'm still not 100% sure myself how they are connected within this panels. They act differently. And also, do we have bypass diodes in the connection box? Do these panels still need them?
They strips are parallel as initially thought. Voltage drops because the MPPT is stressing the cells, that’s how MPPT works.
i thought you ordered 28 hyundai panels. that's more than 11kw of power. you are putting 4kw on the roof? where are you putting the rest?
Great review, Andy! Cheers 🍺
Maybe it’s me being bias. Just received 62pcs of these Shingled panels 🤯. They look really good
Oh, wow, 62! Great system!
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Yes i will ping you pics of the installation sometime :) thank you for your videos again
Hi Andy, I enquired to Eve energy Co from your website and was messaged by Quaine Xiang, is she part of the team? 16 280ah cells were $3400aud-ish.
I don't know her, sorry. Get a quote fromm QSO as well to have a comparison.
Based on solar serious cells along the length side or along the width side of the solar panel, the solar panel vertical or horizontal installation is matter/important during the early morning and at the end of the day when the sun gradually change its shine to the solar panel or when the shades appear/gone.
Andy, bringing up again, I have this same issue with 5x49.3volts and my Growatt handles 250V. I want to explore building a voltage limiter to prevent the series from exceeding the Inverter's capacity - what do you think?
Someone here just said to tape off an area of one of the panels for 6 months until the first degradation took place and remove it afterwards again. A bit of a rough method...
Is it getting cold at your place and also have a look at the specs of your panels if they also have any tolerances like the Hyundais have (+-3% Voc).
@@OffGridGarageAustralia not very elegant, nor effective
@@OffGridGarageAustralia open circuit is +/- 2%
Yeh I think you might be right 5 in parrellel 2 in series. Your results would have been very different with a 24v battery as 1 single set of strings would not have been enough voltage.
I'll test again connected to my 48V battery.
Each lane has 36 cells in series so it takes two 'lanes' in series to create the full 72 series cells yielding 72 x 0.64v = 46.1 v Voc or 72 x 0.53v = 39.2 v Vmp. So likely two adjacent lanes make the series cells for one of five parallel strings. Each lane pair produces about 2 amps. Think of it like putting five 72 cells 2 amp panels in parallel.
All PV cells have some shunt leakage current so shaded lanes leakage with drag down the unshaded pairs current somewhat.
So, every two lanes in series, you reckon...
I realized these are PERC cells so their Vmp and Voc per cell is a little greater that normal cells. PERC cells have back side layer reflective, so it reflects light that penetrates through wafer back into junction, improving efficiency of cell a little bit.
So there are five row pairs, with each row pair having 72 series connected cells (cut cells). Each of five substrings are wired in parallel. Each of the five parallel pairs produces close to 2 amps Isc or 1.9 amps Imp. There is likely only one bypass diode across output terminals of panel. This is acceptable because each substring on can produce a maximum of about 2 amps.
Nice test ... sheeet fried the tester. Thank you Andy
It survived somehow but has this funny smell now. I assume they are using a resistor to bleed off the energy when measuring and it got a bit too warm. I'll open it up at some stage and see if I can replace it.
Thank you for the great video Andy! Im just about to buy the Hyundai 490Wp panels with Enphase iq7a, but these micros are rated at max 366W power output. What inverter system would you recommend to get the most out of the panels woth a bit of shading? Even after 25years the hyundai panels should have ~410Wp, rated way above the 366W max power output of the micros so it feels like a waste of money to buy such high rated panels.
Your dc/ac is 1.338, certainly within the acceptable standards. You will see some clipping. It depends on the latitude of your location, orientation and inclination of the panels, ambient temperature, solar irradiance and shading on the panels. Enphase has published some papers that you can find online and basically they say that energy loss from clipping over the life span of the system is minimal. You can use the PvWatts model to calculate output with various dc/ac ratios. In the Enphase forum a few discussions are going on about clipping without reaching any conclusions. I have Hyundai and Enphase and I see some clipping but it’s extremely difficult to calculate how much exactly. Overall the system works well. Enphase claims that the smaller inverters produce more when they are not clipping and there is some evidence that this is correct at least to some extend. I would go ahead with the system.
I suspect you have multi oriented panels and that’s why you go with Enphase. The other option is Solaredge and probably you will have a bit more yield, but they are not as reliable as Enphase
Vielen vielen Dank für den wirklich ausführlichen Test.
Bestätigt meine Vermutung dass die ganzen Marketingaussagen "hervorragendes Schwachlichtverhalten" etc. genau das sind: Marketingblabla. Tests dazu waren bisher aber praktisch nicht zu finden....bis jetzt. Natürlich sollte man nicht verallgemeinern, dein Test gibt aber einen sehr guten Hinweis dass man diese Aussagen mit Vorsicht genießen sollte.
Yes, seems, they are not better in low light conditions than other panels. With the shade of the trees though they seem to have an advantage due to their structure and how they are connected internally.
I'm trying to figure out what is it you're actually doing with the beer can ?
I will go for cost per watt at my farm at least where space is not a problem. I take the cheapest I can find and put it up. At home it may be different as space is more valuable but as I have what I am allowed to at home (and then some) it is not relevant right now. Thanks for your testing anyway. It was interesting.
Yeah, I would do the same if I had the space, just keep adding solar strings until it is enough in winter.
Time for the Elejoy EY800W. What's the difference between those UF panels and the VG ones?
Yeah, ordered one right after the 'incident' 😁
Here are the specs of both the VG and UF panels (it's halfway down on their side): www.hyundaisolar.com.au/
Do you know the difference between the 400UF and the 400VG?
The UF is a bit shorter (1646mm) and classed as M3 and
The VG is a bit longer (1719mm)
and classed as M6.
Slight differences in voltages and current but what the main difference?
The main difference is the voltage. Two of the VG in series will just be enough to charge a 48V battery but with a bit of shading, they may stop charging. The UF with higher voltage will be much better for my setup.
You can see and compare both on the Hyundai Solar website about halfway down: www.hyundaisolar.com.au/
I do like those new panels they are cranking out the watts.
They actually do. I'm really impressed so far.
Impressive production to size ratio!
Yes, they are a lot better in output for the same area. Technology is moving fast.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Exciting times!
Hi.
Are you running an actual load or you deployed the 'virtual load output' to simulate load on the panel? My MPPT controller does not show me more than 2 digits watts whenever I connect a panel without a load on it.
Nice test!
Man, panels are 2x as expensive as last year... That is if you hire a company too do it a to z. Insane.
Thinking about ordering myself SunPower P6 400W panels with IQ7+ inverters(11 to 13). Then hire a company to install the panels and do in-house electronics myself. Any thoughts?
(This is for my main residence. The off-grid is Victron managed)
Yeah, all the electric is not DIY stuff unfortunately. The insurance does not like that. I'm glad I found an electrician in this area who knows what to do and can help me out here...
Where to buy Hyundai Shingled Solar Panels S400UF from? Do you have price details Andy? I live in Melbourne. Thanks
Singled sangat menarik. Bisa berumur panjang ya Tuan...
I have noticed that power optimisers on ebay seem pretty cheap. They put MPPT at the solar panel. Not sure if have to run all panels with optimizers on or if can just do the ones getting more shade in parts of the day. Also interested in trying out enphase grid tie inverters on panels but think need the whole setup and they dont support offgrid use though seen some using it as long as your loads stay on and use more than the grid tie will produce to not impact the off grid 'grid' production.
They usually clash with the MPPT of your system as you now have two MPPTs working on the same panels. You can kill your MPPT with that sort of setup.
I have some micro inverters here which I will test at some stage for another installation on the property...
I have got 2293W and the screenshot of it from the victron 150-35 charge controller!
It was only for a split second (don't ask how much time I have spent looking at the screen waiting for a higher peak, yeah I don't have much of a life LoL)...
And the panels are close to 15 year's old!!!!
The things that you can purchase from Gumtree and market place LoL...
Hey Andy, how did you get the government grant for the Hyundai panels?
Is there anything that we need to know to be eligible???? A video on this topic would be great and useful information for Australia but it might also be interesting for other people around the world how it works in sunny hot down under!
Thanks Peter, I talked about the subsidy in the 'electrician' video. It's available here in Australia when you get the solar installed by and installer and if the panels are connected to approved equipment (like Victron gear, but also many others...). ruclips.net/video/obGwHrt08-k/видео.html
@@OffGridGarageAustralia so does that mean that you are going to have the new panels installed by someone else?
Because when you mentioned that you have ordered the new panels, I automatically thought that you will be installing them and then you mentioned the government discount and I thought how? Is this possible for self installation? If so, then I need to know how because I would be more inclined to get new panels and do it myself...
My setup is completely in and on the garage! I still have the whole house rooftop for panels! And while these new panels are great, a different charge controller is going to be needed to get at least 3 panels in a series string! It's cutting it too close to the limit of the 150-35 victron charge controller... Maybe it's time to see what other products victron might have that will give plenty of headroom for 3 or 4 panels in a series string....
@@PeterMilanovski You can only apply for the gov subsidy if they are installed by an accredited installer and also connected to approved equipment. So for this part, I will have them installed by a contractor. He will also make some minor changes to the battery system as I outlined in the video here: ruclips.net/video/obGwHrt08-k/видео.html
Victron has also the 250/xxx series and the large RS MPPTs which can handle 450V for larger strings. That's both not for me though due to the shading conditions. I stay with the 150/xx controllers and will have many strings in parallel.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia thank you Andy! It's been a pleasure chatting with you. You are an amazing person which is reflected in your RUclips channel! It is after all the most popular channel here on RUclips regarding solar energy bar none!
Looking forward to all the future videos.
i have these panels 420watt each when they are half shaded they still work i think there called q cells i might be wrong lol but been working great for over a year now in the summer they were producing me 6kw a day.
Thanks for sharing. Isn't Q-Cell a different brand 😁
I like those Hyundai panels, I might buy a couple
I've got them on the roof for 6 months now and they are awesome. Very good in cloudy conditions.
Hi Andy Any thoughts on how the Hyundai Shingle panel would go on an RV application? Are the connections likely to be a weak point with vibration?
Thanks Andy- very interesting!
Thanks Dave. Could be an upgrade for your RV in the future...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I’ve got almost exactly 1kW on the van, with a wide mix of various panels which have been added over time - the oldest being 3 Japanese 120w panels I bought in about 2001. They were about $10 a watt, ($1200 each panel) AND they were “bigger” dollars of course.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I’d LOVE to fit new panels on my caravan Andy - they’re mostly old (and inefficient) by today’s standards.
Interesting - my original Japanese panels from a little over 20 years ago were AUD$1200 each, for 120w panels, ie $10 per watt, and they were much bigger dollars too!
However it would still be a big expense and also probably a bigger factor: I’m getting too old for such jobs.
Hi u need to buy 800W solar panel tester. Also buy bifacial panels so that you want have this back panel cracking. JA solar hv some good panels. Also they are half cut so it works great with shading.
Sorry I couldn't comment before my phone was broken. :)
28 panels at up to 400W means over 11kW of solar, so the existing MPPTs are insufficient. Are you planning on upgrading the Victron MPPTs, or will you be looking at trying out an all-in-one to pair up with PowerWall 2.1? Something like a Deye SUN-12K-SG01LP1-EU would be able to handle the panel power and be much simpler to wire up (although the battery charge configuration may be troublesome).
I was going to ask the same question to Andy. If he stays within the Victron Ecosystem, I believe this would be the right time for the RS 450/100 MPPT
@@andybierlair Ah yes, they look the business; an RS 450/200 with 4 strings of 7 panels might keep the wiring simpler and allow the MPPT to gather the most power in shaded areas.
That was the plan from the beginning of designing the PowerWall. We left some space for additional MPPTs in the top left-hand corner of the wall. They will all be 150V MPPTs and one controller will drive on space of the roof (west, east, shed and carport).
The RS controllers will not work for me due to the shading. It makes no sense to run high DC with long strings in my case.
New subscriber here.. i personally dont go up 200 watts too heavy to install on my rooftop
Très bon test ! je devrais essayer aussi ces panneaux HYUNDAI cela me semble une bonne expérience de production pour mon 4éme strings. Merci ANDY
They are more impressive than the voltx panels, they look attractive too.
Oh, yeah, far better. They are working really well, I love them.
Are these available in western US? How much?
Europe and Aus only at the moment...
Know what the difference between UF and VG is ? Just lower variation / higher reliability ?
There is a comparison on their website (scroll halfway down): www.hyundaisolar.com.au/
I haven't seen those specific Hyundai panels in the United States that's probably why they didn't offer warranty for us over here..
Andy if you put the electrical red insulation tape over the red led display you will be able to see it clearly
I have used red tape but could not see anything at all anymore. The tape is too thick 😂
A 1 ohm 500w resistor across the output of the panel. Measure the voltage. Square the voltage and you have the watt out of the panel. The longer you leave it hooked up the hotter the resistor. Ohms law
A resistor will not work in these cases.
Works on my panels
@@ciciedee5474 of course it works but it's not the MPPT.
I would suspect the difference in warranty in the U.S. would be legal reasons. This does not necessarily mean one is better/worse, but knowing how laws work here in the U.S.... It is probably more complicated, and they either have not had the time yet to offer a warranty that is safe for them, OR, they don't want to deal with the potential legal side here.
WOW! 11,200 WATTS. Good on ya.
Plus 6x540W Phone half cut panels on the Tesla car port. 14.4kWp all in total.
what wild happen if you was to cool the panel whit liquid nitrogen whit pipes to keep the panel ? would it increace power out put .
Mal eine ganz andere Frage: wie sieht es eigentlich aus mit dem giftigen Australien Getier in deiner Garage, zb Trichternetz oder Redback Spinnen, oder gibt es bei dir keine?
Cool there is good panel. I want to buy it. How much your panel and what company buy it
It's best to google this and see who locally in your area sells them.
Why don't solar charge controllers have some kind of over voltage protection?
Did the Solar Panel tester recover?
Yes, it did! It is working again but still has this funny smell. Must have burned a resistor halfway or so... I'll open it at some stage and have a look.
Mmm I got 400w Vertex S for one year now, can't see what those Hyundai got special.
Power per square foot? For their size they put out more power than the other two .
26:32
Yes, absolutely.
1:14 "... i dont' want to scratch the frame... I haven't paid for these two panels yet..." 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah, still not mine 😁
What is the tester model working up to 800W ?
On my website with more details. It also has a better display now with more information: off-grid-garage.com/measurement-tools-and-analisers/
To the testers credit.... it does say its power limit is 400watts
Impressive!!!
Thanks Joe. I need more solar...