People sometimes overlook that a lot of the hip hop "sound" is a product of how the gear sounded and worked (sample time limitations, sample rate, sequencing, multi-pitching, etc.). You can try to replicate it with plugins, emulators and whatnot, but it's way more natural to just put in the sounds and the hardware does what it does. Not saying the early hip hop producers weren't the main factor, but they were restricted by what they had and those limitations helped shape the sound. Trying to artificially recreate all that with software is kind of backwards. There's nothing like working with the real thing.
Funnily, current-day music is shaped by the limitations of our gear as well; we just don't notice it yet. In 30 years, people will make "good old retro music" with DAWs and plugins instead of whatever horrible cyber AI technology folks will use to make beats then. As soon as technology is obsolete, it becomes desirable.
Oh man, I have a video on this topic coming up this week. Using the power of the 1200 and the workflow of the MPC. Thank you so much for asking the question and more on this topic dropping later this upcoming week.
Growing up as a hip hop head in the early 90s, the SP 1200 name was always being mentioned. Made it feel like it was legendary. Like Excalibur or something. This video is making me want to drop the cash and get it. And I got my MPC One a couple years back because of your videos too, haha.
I can’t wait to film this one. I had so many percussive breaks that I picked up the other day that I had to dedicate a separate video for these sounds. Thank you so much for being here, brother.
Theres a plugin called portatron.. which is a portastudio tape plugin.. when you drive stuff and boost the eq damn.. theres very few devices or plugins that sound anything like this when it comes to saturation.. portatron is worth a look
I just screenshot it this message, thank you so much for the suggestions. I’ll check this out as soon as I get back to the studio. I really appreciate you taking the time, brother.
"What you sample into the MPC is what you are going to hear"....THANK YOU! The 60 and 3000 sound good because of the way they downsample/distort and the channel separation you get from them....doesn't mean new MPCs are ruining your samples. I sample through my Audient interface because it has 122db dynamic range vs. the MPC 117db and adds some crispy mid-high texture but MPC recorded samples are perfectly usable especially on tracks that aren't the center focus of the track or are destined for FX.
I started making music in 95 off and on just never believed in myself or I could actually make a living off of music until 2002. But I remember my friend having on in his house I remember it was huge but never really learned it. Dudes like large pro pete rock did a miracle with that machine can’t forget DTIC.
Love to see a video on how you’ve connected the Rossum into your studio. Is your turntable going into an audio interface then an output to the SP sampling input?
I really like your videos man. I've been watching your videos for the past weeks and you remind me how much fun it is to have a record player and a sampler and just be creative, enjoy yourself. Doing again what entroducing did for me 30 years ago :) thx !
I love samples with character. So I use sp404mk2, sp950 vst, mpc1, and sp505. The OG SP12 and ensoniq mirage always sounded super dope to me. Would love those.
I love your videos, and that SP-1200 sounds ridiculously good! By the way, I think the SM7B sounds a lot better than the lav mic you experimented with recently
Yes I’m so glad you mentioned the mic. Hahah I do love the convenience of the Lavalier, but I could not stand the quality of it. Lol. I might still use a Lavalier when moving around a bit more on my videos, but we stick into the SM7b
Definitely try to push hi end into the sample while sampling in sped up. Start to get some crazy sounding aliasing and a whole new sound out of the machine
Thanks for the very good video... I have an S2400 and I love it like hell! I shall agree that no plug-in comes close to the SP-1200. I' m not implying that the Rossum SP-1200 sucks or that it's not great. I strongly suggest that you try an S2400 as well and watch out for the upcoming MKSREC1...
Can u please do a video where u do a deep divine into audio circuitry of these machines... One of the things i like about MPCs and SP1200 is their built in audio circuit...
Man, thank you so much for asking politely on this 45 speed pitch down lol I’ve had so many people irritated in the comment section since since I did not do the 45 speed trick lol. I got a video focusing on this dropping in a few days. I really appreciate you taking the time and being here brother really means a lot.
@@dubioussource yes, that’s the point I try to drive in this video. I know pitching it down gives you such a unique noticeable difference which we all love but I wanted to take a moment to appreciate the raw sound without any pitching straight out of the machine. I absolutely love these converters without even pitching it. Next video I’m gonna do a lot of pitching which I noticed so many people kept mentioning. I’ll let you know how beautiful and iconic that Sound is.
Great video as always!! I love the SP 1200 sound!! There's one machine that can closely emulate the SP sound & that's the MV 8800!! Please look into my brother Waxdat's videos here on RUclips as he shows how close, & if not how the MV copies the original sound of the SP 1200!! I was floored to say the least & which is one of the reasons why I will not part with that machine!! I don't think anything else is close or exact except the 2400. This is just my take, but please check him out for yourself so you can see. Keep bringing us the fire brother!!👊🏾💯
Curious how the Rossum sounds using the classic 1200 sampling technique where you sample records playing at 45 (to save sample time) and then pitch back down to the sample's regular pitch?
Malo, my problem is the engineering side. I'm trying to sample from sound modules. Do I go out of the main outputs of my module into the sample in of the 1200 and do I need to midi my module and 1200
@malobeats man that's amazing. Was just watching another video on it but doing it a different way. Both sound pretty easy. This changes so much. Thanks for replying
Yes , 45rpm + 5.5 % pitch on a turntable than pitch back in SP . But for some single shot drums it sometimes beter just original pitch... depense on the frequencies you are going for. In any case all sames has to be EQed on an external mixer before going into SP. Hope it makes sence. SP12/1200 & S950 all day! Peace
I feel like my comment on on the previous video inspired this video I am all about circuitry and I love the sound of that sp1200 but now I am imagining pairing a analog heat & Eli fatso to this machine hmmmm
Great video! Would be amazing if you could do a sound comparison by playing same samples on the sp1200 and mpc live with AIR LO-Fi plugin turned on with settings like bit depth of 12 bit , Sample rate 26.2 and antialiasing turned on.
Its an amazing machine, but you can get similar sound results with the sp 404 mk2 combining Lo-fi Fx with 303 or 404 vynil sim. The lofi one has various pre ringing sounds that matches perfect
Dang that's awesome!! Why are they SO expensive?? I get it, good sound and nostalgia but the price is so out of reach/touch for small town Americans like myself 😢
Well the difference between the old SP 1200 and the reissue is also that it uses the newer chipset. The company doesn't make the older chipset anymore. The S2400 & the new SP 1200 uses the same chipset. So you can get the same sound with the S2400 for over half the price.I have the S2400 and they both sound identical. Just a FYI!!
This all seems like the hip hop community arguing about sounds seems like, but I agree ☝🏾 to the point about it. Can’t basically work with new the new equipment for the old age because it sounds to thin.
@@malobeats you made me dust mines off. as we speak, im here recording. forgot how much of of a difference the sound makes!! Bought mines in 1992 at the world famous " West L.A Music " ( no longer there 😥) On Santa Monica BLVD Still Works
@@daniel_dumile gotta squeeze every drop out of it lol: I know what you mean, there’s only works when I do it with percussive sounds but when it comes down to melodic instruments, it’s a whole different approach.
Why not explain how 2 MPC's with different updates benefits choosing 1 update but using both at the same time. The amount of people having more than MPC is incrededible so why only tell a story about choosing which update but better show benefits of a combination set up. Surely I am not the only 1 who thinks like this. So is it better to update my live 2 or my X se?
Hey brother first off I wanna say thank you so much for mentioning this. This is such a great question and I will agree with you in regards of being two different types of people choosing 2.0 versus 3.0. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and I will dedicate a video on this topic alone after reading this question. Thank you so much for your time 🙏🙏
It doesnt sound good because you have no preamps on the MPC you're working with. clips it too hard. The preamps on the 61, MPCX and Akai force have some character but nothing like the Rossum tho.
Can we get an side by side comparison of this and the mpc vintage effect that's called sp1200 using the plugin effect slot and also the air flavor plugin preset sp 1200 ?using those same samples ?🫡👍🏾🫡
Ive got MPC Live and SP12 and SP1200 - MPC live vintage mode is a joke i am sorry. The only software that comes close to the SP " ring" is SP950 VST and RX1200 VST but both of the VSTs dont have that transient punch op the real SP - but get you in the SP vibe for sure. Hope it helps , Peace
@jazzroom thanks I appreciate the sharing of information I just somes times wish to hear it for myself so I can do my own ear test .and what I do afterwards is to try n figure out can I get Even closer to the sound that's trying to be emulated .thanks again 🫡👍🏾🫡
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0:45 DAMN! Insane 😮
People sometimes overlook that a lot of the hip hop "sound" is a product of how the gear sounded and worked (sample time limitations, sample rate, sequencing, multi-pitching, etc.). You can try to replicate it with plugins, emulators and whatnot, but it's way more natural to just put in the sounds and the hardware does what it does. Not saying the early hip hop producers weren't the main factor, but they were restricted by what they had and those limitations helped shape the sound. Trying to artificially recreate all that with software is kind of backwards. There's nothing like working with the real thing.
Plugins and emulations are complete scams
Funnily, current-day music is shaped by the limitations of our gear as well; we just don't notice it yet. In 30 years, people will make "good old retro music" with DAWs and plugins instead of whatever horrible cyber AI technology folks will use to make beats then. As soon as technology is obsolete, it becomes desirable.
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The SP1200 makes everything dusty. It’s a beautiful thing. I wish I could have the MPC’s power with the SP1200’s sound.
Oh man, I have a video on this topic coming up this week. Using the power of the 1200 and the workflow of the MPC. Thank you so much for asking the question and more on this topic dropping later this upcoming week.
@@malobeats awesome mate! Can’t wait!
soft clipper +flavor
@@malobeatswhere can I find that video. Would like to combine my 1200, mpc x and fantom 06.
Growing up as a hip hop head in the early 90s, the SP 1200 name was always being mentioned. Made it feel like it was legendary. Like Excalibur or something. This video is making me want to drop the cash and get it. And I got my MPC One a couple years back because of your videos too, haha.
@@shaftpunk84 I resonate with this 💯 precent
A melodic samples video with the sp1200 is a great idea im here for it. Dope vid👍🏿👍🏿
I can’t wait to film this one. I had so many percussive breaks that I picked up the other day that I had to dedicate a separate video for these sounds. Thank you so much for being here, brother.
Listening to this in good headphones is a treat
Theres a plugin called portatron.. which is a portastudio tape plugin.. when you drive stuff and boost the eq damn.. theres very few devices or plugins that sound anything like this when it comes to saturation.. portatron is worth a look
I just screenshot it this message, thank you so much for the suggestions. I’ll check this out as soon as I get back to the studio. I really appreciate you taking the time, brother.
@@malobeats any time man. Keep up the good work!!
Cool video. That first sample was used by Dr Dre for Eazy E. Then Madlib used it on MADVILLIAN. Thanks for sharing.
Easy Mo Bee is the master of the 1200
It's true
You have Nick WIZ (CELLA Dwellaz). He s also a master of SP1200. 💯💯💯👊👊👊
Lord Finesse, Pete Rock, Dj Muggs Etc.
The late Paul C, Ced Gee
I'm really enjoying your videos Malo, keep up the great work brotha!
@@smokey5100 thank you so so much for this
"What you sample into the MPC is what you are going to hear"....THANK YOU!
The 60 and 3000 sound good because of the way they downsample/distort and the channel separation you get from them....doesn't mean new MPCs are ruining your samples. I sample through my Audient interface because it has 122db dynamic range vs. the MPC 117db and adds some crispy mid-high texture but MPC recorded samples are perfectly usable especially on tracks that aren't the center focus of the track or are destined for FX.
@@ItsTheFuzzMan 💯
Stuning Sound with this 1200 ! Incredible. Thanks to show us that sampler.
Hey David. Thank you so much for being here. Really means a lot
I started making music in 95 off and on just never believed in myself or I could actually make a living off of music until 2002. But I remember my friend having on in his house I remember it was huge but never really learned it. Dudes like large pro pete rock did a miracle with that machine can’t forget DTIC.
Love to see a video on how you’ve connected the Rossum into your studio. Is your turntable going into an audio interface then an output to the SP sampling input?
I really like your videos man. I've been watching your videos for the past weeks and you remind me how much fun it is to have a record player and a sampler and just be creative, enjoy yourself. Doing again what entroducing did for me 30 years ago :) thx !
Thanks for this demo of the sound Malo. Gotta love that SP sound!
@@UrbanJournal absolutely, thank you so much for taking the time and sharing this positive feedback. It really means a lot. ❤️🫡
@@malobeats No doubt bro!🫡
Accidently making pete beats i love it
I love samples with character. So I use sp404mk2, sp950 vst, mpc1, and sp505. The OG SP12 and ensoniq mirage always sounded super dope to me. Would love those.
Amazing, I Was Just Explaining That Very Thing to A Classic MPC User Earlier… You Echoed My Analysis 👍🏽👍🏽❗️
I’m so glad you took the time to comment. Glad to hear we are not the only once
I love your videos, and that SP-1200 sounds ridiculously good! By the way, I think the SM7B sounds a lot better than the lav mic you experimented with recently
Yes I’m so glad you mentioned the mic. Hahah I do love the convenience of the Lavalier, but I could not stand the quality of it. Lol. I might still use a Lavalier when moving around a bit more on my videos, but we stick into the SM7b
Sing a Simple Song. I wanted to use that for the first time I went to the studio
So much gold in the whole album. 🔥
@@malobeats yeah! Lots of gems
Definitely try to push hi end into the sample while sampling in sped up. Start to get some crazy sounding aliasing and a whole new sound out of the machine
Thanks for the very good video... I have an S2400 and I love it like hell! I shall agree that no plug-in comes close to the SP-1200. I' m not implying that the Rossum SP-1200 sucks or that it's not great. I strongly suggest that you try an S2400 as well and watch out for the upcoming MKSREC1...
@@Musical.Maze.1 yo!!! I really appreciate you taking the time to drop by. I’ve heard nothing nothing but great things about that s2400
Can u please do a video where u do a deep divine into audio circuitry of these machines... One of the things i like about MPCs and SP1200 is their built in audio circuit...
Yeah the engineering is super interesting. Maybe he can get Dave Rossum on to talk about how he designed it
Question I have an original gray Sp 1200 10 sec sample time can this machine be upgraded More sample time?
We would play the records at 45 rpm to save time and it also added character to the samples
👍 A video where you focus on sampling at 45 and pitching down for the aliasing. Loved this. More 1200!
Man, thank you so much for asking politely on this 45 speed pitch down lol I’ve had so many people irritated in the comment section since since I did not do the 45 speed trick lol. I got a video focusing on this dropping in a few days. I really appreciate you taking the time and being here brother really means a lot.
@@malobeatsit was good to hear it without pitching first. The character difference with just drive + filter is ridiculous.
@@dubioussource yes, that’s the point I try to drive in this video. I know pitching it down gives you such a unique noticeable difference which we all love but I wanted to take a moment to appreciate the raw sound without any pitching straight out of the machine. I absolutely love these converters without even pitching it. Next video I’m gonna do a lot of pitching which I noticed so many people kept mentioning. I’ll let you know how beautiful and iconic that Sound is.
@malobeats Man Stop It. Read my Comment and Reply. Asking Politely. Lol. You are a funny guy.
Sounds really nice!💪
@@wiggesobk thank you brotha
It sounds wonderful. Out of my league for now, but I am planning to get an Isla S2400 instead.
Great video as always!! I love the SP 1200 sound!! There's one machine that can closely emulate the SP sound & that's the MV 8800!! Please look into my brother Waxdat's videos here on RUclips as he shows how close, & if not how the MV copies the original sound of the SP 1200!! I was floored to say the least & which is one of the reasons why I will not part with that machine!! I don't think anything else is close or exact except the 2400. This is just my take, but please check him out for yourself so you can see. Keep bringing us the fire brother!!👊🏾💯
Curious how the Rossum sounds using the classic 1200 sampling technique where you sample records playing at 45 (to save sample time) and then pitch back down to the sample's regular pitch?
It sounds awesome! Sometimes a sample will sound good even if u do 78.
Malo, my problem is the engineering side. I'm trying to sample from sound modules. Do I go out of the main outputs of my module into the sample in of the 1200 and do I need to midi my module and 1200
3:11 maaaaaaan this is fking heat 🔥
I can clearly hear how much louder the 1200 is!
Can i only plug in 1 cable into the mpc one, when sampling, to just get the drum beat? Like you said with the records only recording in stereo
Absolutely. It’s such a good way to explore with the left and right side while sampling.
@malobeats man that's amazing. Was just watching another video on it but doing it a different way. Both sound pretty easy. This changes so much. Thanks for replying
RX1200 is pretty decent til I drop cash! Dope vid 🔥🔥
The RX1200 is the sp1200 I would never buy the real one that would be a waste of money
A bro, what's the name of the store again and where are they located and can u fiance it with no money down? Thanks
I'm absolutely losing my mind. What is the drum break sample at 7:03? I cant find it on the smoke record...
If you ain't sampling in 45 and pitching down from there, you are NOT getting the Beautiful Aliasing that the SP1200 offers.
@@lordg3803 I mention this in the video. That has a SOUND, but this is focused on the sound without tuning.
Yes , 45rpm + 5.5 % pitch on a turntable than pitch back in SP . But for some single shot drums it sometimes beter just original pitch... depense on the frequencies you are going for. In any case all sames has to be EQed on an external mixer before going into SP. Hope it makes sence. SP12/1200 & S950 all day! Peace
@jazzroom No Doubt.
@@malobeatsI Dig Playa.
@@lordg3803 👊
I feel like my comment on on the previous video inspired this video I am all about circuitry and I love the sound of that sp1200 but now I am imagining pairing a analog heat & Eli fatso to this machine hmmmm
where you get them digging hats?
Great video! Would be amazing if you could do a sound comparison by playing same samples on the sp1200 and mpc live with AIR LO-Fi plugin turned on with settings like bit depth of 12 bit , Sample rate 26.2 and antialiasing turned on.
Yo thank you for the suggestion. Definitely something I will film down the road. Thank you so much, brother.
If i had €€€ sp would be first maschibe i would buy 100% Simple workflow and raw sound
The Sp 1200 is King 🤴
100
This showed up in my recommendations because for a while I was searching for a sp1200 drum pack because i heard Outkast made some of ATLiens with one
Do you do a course on this?
No not at the moment.
dont forget that the swing of the 1200 is also so much nicer than on the MPC’s!
As mentioned in the video. Yes
@@malobeats oops! my bad! 😅
Its an amazing machine, but you can get similar sound results with the sp 404 mk2 combining Lo-fi Fx with 303 or 404 vynil sim. The lofi one has various pre ringing sounds that matches perfect
Dang that's awesome!! Why are they SO expensive?? I get it, good sound and nostalgia but the price is so out of reach/touch for small town Americans like myself 😢
My face started twitching uncontrollably when you started going through those tower of power samples on the sp1200. 🫨🫨🫨🫨🙌🙌🙌🙌🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
You need to invite Andy Mac to your studio, to understand the power of that DrumMachine.....Bro 😆 🤣 😂 Andy might jack u for it!!!
Does the isla instruments s2400 compete or compare with the sp 1200?
@@mossomstylz I’ve never use that machine so I can’t speak on it.
Ok now we talking🏆🔥 MALO!
@@chrisdavis9135 🔥
You got that OG plugin bro. You plugged the mofo in.
Informative video. Wish I could afford one.
yo malo can u make a sp1200 drumkit i would definitly purchase that
Great video ❤
@@BestKeptSecreization thank you so much
Well the difference between the old SP 1200 and the reissue is also that it uses the newer chipset. The company doesn't make the older chipset anymore. The S2400 & the new SP 1200 uses the same chipset. So you can get the same sound with the S2400 for over half the price.I have the S2400 and they both sound identical. Just a FYI!!
Thank you for taking the time on this brother. Really mean a lot
A lot of people claim this, but it is not true. The Sp1200 still stands alone. The Isla is cool but in a different way and for different reasons.
This all seems like the hip hop community arguing about sounds seems like, but I agree ☝🏾 to the point about it. Can’t basically work with new the new equipment for the old age because it sounds to thin.
still samples in MONO ???
Yes this is a mono sampler
@@malobeats you made me dust mines off. as we speak, im here recording. forgot how much of of a difference the sound makes!! Bought mines in 1992 at the world famous " West L.A Music " ( no longer there 😥) On Santa Monica BLVD Still Works
🔥🔥🔥
Thank you brother
Save $3,970 and get soft clipper on mpc and have WAY more options.
You have to love the SP1200 though, seriously..
@@lostinjazz 💯
SP all day
Sick son
Such an amazing piece of gear. A bit pricey, though.
Perfect sound costs good money
@@powderedtoastman3093 exaclty. premium sound & build is definitely gonna cost lol
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Lo Fi crunchiness
YEAH FIRST ONE
Yo!!!! 🔥🔥💪🏽🫡 this a real one
If you got money for the sp 12 get the sp12 allday
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The SP12 is so grimey already, running the gain high on top of that is just being greedy lol l
@@daniel_dumile gotta squeeze every drop out of it lol: I know what you mean, there’s only works when I do it with percussive sounds but when it comes down to melodic instruments, it’s a whole different approach.
Kanye sent me here ❤
Kanye ? Oh snaps lol. Thank you so much brother I really appreciate you being here
@@malobeats yeah his latest instagram post he said "Ran the ASR through the SP1200". Thanks bro
yeezy taught me
Mpc one comes close with the retro mode but the 3000 mode and 1200 sound cool
Why not explain how 2 MPC's with different updates benefits choosing 1 update but using both at the same time. The amount of people having more than MPC is incrededible so why only tell a story about choosing which update but better show benefits of a combination set up. Surely I am not the only 1 who thinks like this. So is it better to update my live 2 or my X se?
Hey brother first off I wanna say thank you so much for mentioning this. This is such a great question and I will agree with you in regards of being two different types of people choosing 2.0 versus 3.0. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and I will dedicate a video on this topic alone after reading this question. Thank you so much for your time 🙏🙏
It doesnt sound good because you have no preamps on the MPC you're working with. clips it too hard. The preamps on the 61, MPCX and Akai force have some character but nothing like the Rossum tho.
20 seconds no fun
Can we get an side by side comparison of this and the mpc vintage effect that's called sp1200 using the plugin effect slot and also the air flavor plugin preset sp 1200 ?using those same samples ?🫡👍🏾🫡
It's actually 2 vintage sp1200 and sp 1200 ring effects on the mpc
My bad he said he don't compare let us hear it tho
Ive got MPC Live and SP12 and SP1200 - MPC live vintage mode is a joke i am sorry. The only software that comes close to the SP " ring" is SP950 VST and RX1200 VST but both of the VSTs dont have that transient punch op the real SP - but get you in the SP vibe for sure. Hope it helps , Peace
@jazzroom thanks I appreciate the sharing of information I just somes times wish to hear it for myself so I can do my own ear test .and what I do afterwards is to try n figure out can I get Even closer to the sound that's trying to be emulated .thanks again 🫡👍🏾🫡
@jazzroom I may have that rx1200 plugin I'll have to double check 👍🏾
The sp sound you keep referring to is the 12 bit sample rate compared to today’s sampling rates of 16bit and higher.