If you believe that a child should have a mother and a father and that anything else is wrong then please explain what should happen to the single parents, a child with a dead parent, orphans.
Nothing should happen to single parents etc. Most likely these are not choices/ are difficult choices to make. The point relating to the adoption of children is that it is the state's responsibility to ensure the best outcome in life for those children - and that includes providing them with both a mother and a father. Children need maternal and paternal companionship in order to fully develop.
@@danbo50097 I don’t believe that’s true I believe that as long as it’s 1 good parent, a single mother or father is very capable of raising a perfect child
If marriage is about children, should infertile people not be able to get married? as they will not be able to fulfill one of the main aspects of marriage.
The no campaign just does not hold any ground in my opinion. Who is anybody to say that marriage is only for man and woman. To say that two men or two women can not raise a child is just ludicrous.
Jamie Baxter to say that two straight men should have the right to marry is not ridiculous though? or to see that same sex and opposite sex life unions are different... that is ridiculous... will ye grow up, drop the slogans and rhetoric and look at what is actually going on. Marriage was designed around men, women and raising children... that is not homophobic... recognition of the importance of the biological family, is now illegal... the yes campaign made no fact base arguments and just lies and use emotive arguments and bullying. The no side was all over the place, but was fact based and far far more informed than the no campaign.
+Daniel Murray You can say biologically different when terms of aspects but think the outside of the box. Also why comparing 'two straight men' are they willing to have a relation despite of their own sexuality? Who would think about marrying a man who doesn't affected by other person? I also think that being in aware of providing a needs of a child is what the pattern flow. The needs of respect of being who they are have to be justified so long ago; people just didn't admit the fact, you can't marry a woman when his partner got all over her traits, you get the picture. The no campaign does have a bigot statement, yes campaign has made their clearing and of course an equality for their rights.
0:40 "this shop was forced out of business because of this new intolerance" 1: the free market has spoken, deal with it 2: the old intolerance was good? 3: get over yourself 4: Not everybody is a part of your religion
***** Lets see how Ireland respects the 40% of people who didn't agree before we get all proud our track record is not great on tolerance of minority's
Sean Ryan I don't feel proud to be Irish because of "all the shit our ancestors went through". I feel proud to be Irish for a great many reasons, but that is not one of them. "All the shit our ancestors went through" is a source of sorrow for me, not pride.
Caesar Santizo In the medium to long term i think he would have to concede there was little effect on his everyday life or society. I mean he was already willing to concede civil unions so the only difference were certain rights but the big one was about child rearing and that was already a done deal anyway. The other one i'm guessing is gay couples being able to officially use the word. So he was basically fighting about a word and the social status of gay couples.
I wish this could be done in the Philippines. Always wanted to travel to Ireland, and after finding out that the Irish voted YES, it made me love the country more!
Sheen Ray Valdez Imo they probably would in a generation or so. They'd probably be among the first or second wave of asian countries and certainly not the last.
here's your choices if you a city person choose Luzon where there's jeeps buildings and no nature. If your a nature person choose Visaya's where there's a lot of farmers,trees,grass,ect. i never been to Mindanao. so i don't know?
Most homosexual couples don't want children. And the ones that do have to fight to give their child the best life possible or risk getting them taken away. Homosexual couples embrace a child's individuality because they themselves are outcasts. Heterosexual couples are better? When more than half end in a breakup or divorce that leaves one parent with the child, having them forced to endure 18 years of financial instability before having their children live with them until they're 30?
MrLoneWolf009 this is True Heterosexual Man and Woman , Children Is succrifice Parents Is Broken💔👫👦👧👦 Of Hetero perents And Homosexual Is Happy With Childrens Come . 👭👦👧🌈😍😘
I hate the whole “1 mother 1 father” crap, it’s not representative of modern society, many people grow up in single parent households and they’re fine, voting “no” to same sex marriage/preventing them from adopting or fostering children is closing the door on thousands of kids who need a home, if two parents are loving and want the best for the child, I don’t see how having two dads or two mums could hurt! Better than having nobody at all
The “No” campaign seems to have a rather fantastically positive view of “traditional families” - one that completely ignores the incontrovertible fact that in a tremendous number of cases they are utterly dysfunctional.
russianbear54 those rates are because ladies want perfection and emotion and avoid compromise and acceptance of the fact that boys will be boys and will play with toys not doll house
Im such a proud Irish man today, yes yes yes! Who would have thought a country that has been under the thumb of the Catholic Church for so long could achieve a result of this magnitude. The times they are a changing
@@peterpoborsky6392 Oh please just piss off, you utter moron. The Irish people discussed this issue among themselves, and decided that they wished to treat their fellow citizens equally in terms of marriage rights. I am incredibly proud that we, the Irish people, actually did this by a NATIONAL REFERENDUM.
Parenting? Err, this is marriage mate. Besides, stop demonizing "lesser" parents. Gays are already parents and the children are actually hurting from YOUR speech.
A child having a mum and dad does not always make for the most ideal family unit. having 2 mums or 2 dads can be just as fulfilling to a child's needs. There are all kinds of family units - including single parent and child, grandparent and child. The most important thing to provide for the child is LOVE, protection and security. A mother and father family can also be bad for a child if there is physical, sexual and/or emotional abuse. If the 'No' campaign REALLY cares about the child, it should vote 'Yes' to protect ALL children, even the ones that same-sex couple's have, through marriage.
children in households with unrelated adults living in them are subjected to dozens of times the rate of abuse, including households with same sex relationships
I always find it hilarious that the No campaign always focuses on children. Forgetting that not every married couple has children nor can every couple can have children. "I believe every child has a right to a mother and father" its a sentiment and that's about all we can say about that statement. In a country that forcibly took children from unwed mothers placed them into abusive pastoral care organisations and sent them off to other people in the US and Australia amongst other countries without any notice given to the birth parent(s) about what happened to the child. The concern for children exhibited and leveraged by the church has come about 40 years too late and is misguided in the extreme as scientific study has revealed that stability in the parent/child relationship is more critical than the sex or gender of the parent.
I'm a straight dude who is in support of a YES vote. I don't think I get to decide how another person lives their life, so long as they are living a kind, nonviolent life. Given this viewpoint, I can stand up straight and say, "You don't get to decide how I live my kind, nonviolent life either." I get to say this because I am not being a hypocrite telling others what they can do, while expecting them not to tell me what I can. I wonder how this hypocrisy of some of my fellow straight people can be pointed out in the clearest terms? Perhaps there should be a parallel vote on straight marriage, and the LGBTQI... community will probably vote YES on that, given how kind they are. That can then be given proper media attention, and advertised, so that the bigots among straight people can see how others are willing to be kind to them. I'm just spitballing for effective strategy to communicate the message folks. (I get it. This vote is from 6 years ago. Doesn't matter - there's always bigots who need convincing.)
I hate how the no side keep making it about children, what about single parents, people who have lost their parents and people who can’t and simply don’t want children. My parents aren’t married but are still together but according to the no side you can only have children if you’re married like this is the 21st century ??
I believe in the traditional marriage. Marriage should be between a man and a woman. I believe that after the age of 18, a woman should be forced to marry the man of her father's choosing to settle land disputes. You know...traditional marriage.
The fact that you can't sell your daughter for three goats and a pig, to become a man's fourth wife, means we've already redefined the definition of marriage.
andy le I really wish people carried around cards with their opinions like this. Then we'd be able to stay far away from bigoted sexist people like this.
Let's make history! Let they majority extend their rights to the minority population in the name of fairness, understand, and compassion. Im confident in a YES vote and cant wait to live in Ireland as an equal citizen.(and also to give myself a break from all those despicable things iv heard n read in the past few months from the church and iona institute!)
I grew up without a father does that make me less of a person? it does as far as the No person thinks. I am so proud to be Irish and that Ireland voted yes to equality.
Every time someone talks about two same-sex parents not being able to raise their kid properly I get so angry. Not even for myself, and my community, but for all of the single parents out there who's spouse has died or isn't in the picture. Also, every child of a same-sex couple will be lived, because they are wanted. The amount of " accidents" that happen, leaving couples pregnant unprepared for parenthood, is a bigger threat to the lives of children than same-sex marriage is. I'm so glad that when I am older I will be able to marry someone and be happy in that relationship. The only reason a child might have trouble as the child of a same-sex couple is if that kid got bullied for it, and that is not the fault of the couple, that is the fault of the bigots and people in the world are refusing to understand.
I've only stumbled upon this video now and I have to say fair play to Riyadh. I agree with what he said here and the other guy he's talking to is making out that Ireland is a homophobic country. Thank God Ireland voted YES. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. WELL DONE RIYADH 👍
chipzz86 so to vote yes you believe there should be no recognition of the difference between male/female and same sex unions .... that is madness, it also, at best, weakens the biologocal factor being a legal strength in society.
***** i wld like to see where u got them numbers i really wld a link wld be nice there are probably more pedos in the organized religion than ppl who are gay
***** think u need to read the articul as it rip apart Anne Atkins state me about gay men www.huffingtonpost.com/murray-lipp/gay-men-myths-stereotypes_b_3463172.html
I don’t get how there was even a referendum! As a gay 19 year old who doesn’t want to get married anyway. I think that it’s definitely treating them as second class. My life would have been better if it was just my mum, because of years and years of physical abuse! Marriage is something people look forward to! It’s promising to always have your back and be by your side. It’s got that deep emotional connection that we are all taught to hope for. Stay strong guys, times are changing xx
Riyadh is awesome! And the whole point of marriage really is to be together with a loved one. It really isn't the same introducing your 'civil partner' to someone as it is to introduce your wife or husband.
As a young lgbt person this vote and the campaigns run on either side have truly shaped my life, in my young and vulnerable age during the campaign if there had been a no vote I don't think I could have continued living. My family may not have supported me but Ireland does
Some people make me really sad. People who don't want gays to Marry sicken me. And all the arguments against hay marriage are rubbish. Argument 1: A baby deserves a mum and a dad. Who says every gay couple are going to have a baby? And if they do, the baby will have both motherly and fatherly models. People like grandparents, aunts uncles and even teachers. Anyway, you don't know what your missing out on of you never had it in the first place. Argument 2: Its unnatrual. Like hair dye? Or air conditioners? Or printers? They are all unnatural but we don't bat an eyelash at them. Anyway, its not. It's been around for thousands of years. Were just only not really learning about it. Is just love, and love is very natural. Argument 3: God never wanted it. Then why did he make it part of our world? Legalise it in some countries and let gays live happy lives? Any other arguments? Come at me, I have counters to them all.
Annie Mac Why are you twitting on ? The Referendum was won by the yes side 'Hay' marriages are now going to be legal in ROI - of course we will now need a new word for Marriage, but I don't know what possible problem you have
I believe father and mother teach children different too. We can feel it. Sometimes we can't put it in words because most of the upbringing memories took place in the path. And we can not always recall things as they just happened yesterday. Also some of us are not articulate, well prepared enough to explain it in the moment being confronted by this question "what things that your father can teach you but your mother cant?" Give the no compaign guy a day or two. I think when he settles down a little, he will come up with a decent answer.
:D i watched your video about calling friends that bullied you for being gay and it made me happy because you were so positive. Im gay and irish and this law for same sex marriages is amazing! Loved this video
I don’t know why I’ve recently come back to this, Riyadh was a RUclipsr I used to watch back in the day and I stumbled on this little chestnut! I distinctly remember when these debates were happening in the UK and one of the prevailing arguments against same sex marriage was this concept that marriage is about procreation, if you can’t procreate you shouldn’t be married. The reason why this statement stuck in my mind all these years is quite simple. At the time of these debates my sister had suffered the unparalleled trauma of a miscarriage. It occurred to me that if these statements that people kept so casually vociferating were to be believed, then my sister no longer had the right to be married. Luckily, then as now, marriage isn’t about procreation, it’s about commitment and legal protection. The irony is both men wanted to change the definition of marriage, just in different ways.
The Iona institute is a hardline catholic organisation on the extreme right on all social issues, to not explain what these people represent gives a false picture. The no campaign painted a picture of people being 'bullied' when in actual fact they were the bullies in the campaign.
Here is what the against guy’s argument is essentially saying (whether he realizes it or not): his argument isn’t against same-sex marriage, it’s against same-sex adoption. So his so called no vote can’t exist; because it’s a ‘NO’ to a question that’s not being asked. So his particular argument has no actual “NO” to gravitate to, leaving him with only one conclusion: a yes vote.
What does Conroy know about same sex marriage and children? It's not like he was brought up by two people of the same sex. I'm sure many people who were brought up that way would be very offended by him.
In the town I live near there is a cafe with a pride flag up on it and it's been there for almost a year now any no-one has complained about it or passed it any heed at all and only a few months ago someone put up another one across the river next to it, it's great and always makes me love my country even more for how nice the people are most of the time...
The whole "Children deserve a mother and a father" argument is redundant in this context. There was a bill passed a month or two ago saying that same sex couples can adopt kids. This is a vote for equal marriage rights and the fact that they have to turn to an argument that makes no sense in that context really says everything.
marriage is what a couple make of it. marriage (called by other names but essentially the same) has existed throughout history but the way society sees it, or recognises it changes. but essentially the current marriage isn't about children its about two people standing up and saying this is the person I love and want to spend the rest of my life with. so glad that same sex marriage is spreading, finally people are recognising that gay or straight relationships are essentially the same.
It's such a privileged argument to threaten to leave the country. The no side thinks good riddance and those too vulnerable to travel are burdened by discrimination.
The no guy was arguing that civil unions and marriage are the same thing and you get the same rights, but if you're doing that, what's the problem with just going all the way and allowing same sex marriage? If there's no difference, where's the issue with granting a right that so many people desperately want?
To the guy in this video who is against: If every child has a right to a mother and a father and you wish to bring this up during a MARRIAGE debate then you just condemned childless marriages since you automatically linked children with marriage which has no merit in a same-sex marriage debate. If you want to talk adoption or family planning, then you can bring that up outside of the marriage equality debate. But within this different debate, you would also have to address children in divorced heterosexual marriages, single people adopting and in vitro fertilization. Despite all of this, Ireland saw right past all of your bull. CONGRATS IRELAND😘❤️🏳️🌈
I'm so glad that I watched this video after the vote passed. I would have gotten so angry at that young fella working for the Iona Institute. As it is I was just laughing at him,
The meaning of marriage is love that should be the only meaning of marriage not children, being against same sex marriage is literally taking away someone's human rights
the guy voting no has some really flawed logic. For instance when he talks about children and how if gay people are allowed to marry then they will want to adopted children. Firstly what is going to happen if they are allowed to adobt children? That they are going to use their militant gay ways to try and force the kid to become gay? Chances are they are going to be better suited in a home with two moms and two dad, rather than a broken home where they are beaten or homeless and hungry living on the streets. Secondly, not every straight couple who gets married has kids. Also what if an elderly couple gets married, do you think they will be able to have children? So no not all gay couples will want children. Some will, some wont.
God made the man and then the woman to be a family and have children . And there is no way for two men and two women to wave someone else baby . And even the gay and lesbiens have parents and that how they came in this world .
Can we squeeze in the "loving" part into parenting? It's not enough to just have parents, mom and dad, same sex parents, foster parents, or single parent, it's absolutely crucial and critical that the parent/parents are loving, caring, and attentive. Case in point: it's better to have loving, caring foster parents than to be with abusive (physically,mentally) biological parents. Unsurprisingly, love matters again, and it's love that's the essence of parenting (not simply having two different anatomical private part). The gay guy got it right that children of same sex family deserve equal protection. A family unit of just 2 people without kids also deserve equal respect and protection. Also, this whole idea of gender role that a man is a certain way and a woman is a certain way is antiquated! It is this same idea that ridicule gentle and sensitive men, while mocking aggressive and confident women. Obviously, some straight people shatter the typical gender role/expectation, and even more so gay people completely destroys it. What does it mean to be a "woman"? or "man"? Being caring, gentle, sensitive, aggressive, tough, confident, stoic? ANY person, male or female, can assume and be any of these traits. Let me throw in there too one of the top (if not the top) runway model expert with high heels is a black man! At the end of day, voting NO means direct harm to loving gay couples while voting YES means direct harm to........actually, I can't think of any, except for maybe the mental anguish of homophobic bigots who can't see their gay neighbors oppressed?
If marriage happens in church I think that church should decide if they would allow it. Like so many other business decide what they allow inside their factories,offices etc. I would support marriage for all people BUT it should not force other people to change their lives because of that change. If I owned coffee shop gays would be welcome but if I owned a church and followed bible they would not be as simple as that. Gay and straight marriages should be at equal standing but gays should know that bible which is the highest authority in churches does not allow being gay. So in law marriages would be equal but church ceremony would not be available for gays. BTW. I am agnostic and I would want to gays be able to marry in church but bible is the obstacle in this and if churches are not owned by government they should be free to decide if gay marriage in their church is ok. P.S. I could not even watch video to the end as I found all this shit so aggrevating
The No guy was useless as they all are. He couldn't answer any of these points, especially as Riyadh said, the issue of children is completely irrelevant and separate.
If you believe that a child should have a mother and a father and that anything else is wrong then please explain what should happen to the single parents, a child with a dead parent, orphans.
Get married or remarry.
@@tohard5024 to a same sex lover!
Nothing should happen to single parents etc. Most likely these are not choices/ are difficult choices to make. The point relating to the adoption of children is that it is the state's responsibility to ensure the best outcome in life for those children - and that includes providing them with both a mother and a father. Children need maternal and paternal companionship in order to fully develop.
@@danbo50097 I don’t believe that’s true I believe that as long as it’s 1 good parent, a single mother or father is very capable of raising a perfect child
@@danbo50097 single ppl can choose to adopt. Also it's not someone's fault if they're gay
If marriage is about children, should infertile people not be able to get married? as they will not be able to fulfill one of the main aspects of marriage.
Adoption
@@wabackagainman0737 which gay ppl can do too
@@thegreypenguin5097but children wont know father and mother
Marriage should be between two consenting adults.
So if a Father and his daughter consent and are over the age of puberty they can get married?
@@Islam_Enjoyer he means when their over 18
Or 3, or 4, or 5…
The no campaign just does not hold any ground in my opinion. Who is anybody to say that marriage is only for man and woman. To say that two men or two women can not raise a child is just ludicrous.
Jamie Baxter to say that two straight men should have the right to marry is not ridiculous though? or to see that same sex and opposite sex life unions are different... that is ridiculous... will ye grow up, drop the slogans and rhetoric and look at what is actually going on. Marriage was designed around men, women and raising children... that is not homophobic... recognition of the importance of the biological family, is now illegal... the yes campaign made no fact base arguments and just lies and use emotive arguments and bullying.
The no side was all over the place, but was fact based and far far more informed than the no campaign.
+Daniel Murray You can say biologically different when terms of aspects but think the outside of the box. Also why comparing 'two straight men' are they willing to have a relation despite of their own sexuality? Who would think about marrying a man who doesn't affected by other person? I also think that being in aware of providing a needs of a child is what the pattern flow.
The needs of respect of being who they are have to be justified so long ago; people just didn't admit the fact, you can't marry a woman when his partner got all over her traits, you get the picture.
The no campaign does have a bigot statement, yes campaign has made their clearing and of course an equality for their rights.
@@danielmurray04 Love your voice of reason.
0:40 "this shop was forced out of business because of this new intolerance"
1: the free market has spoken, deal with it
2: the old intolerance was good?
3: get over yourself
4: Not everybody is a part of your religion
@Max Never heard that story before. Did it actually happen?
The fascist left showing your true colours. You think you are going to win long term? Then you have paid no attention to history.
@@deanpd3402 western society is more liberal than ever. So history would seem to suggest otherwise?
It passed! Ireland voted Yes to Love! So proud to be Irish right now.
***** Same here!
***** And I´m so happy Ireland voted YES. Good for you guys! Hope this happens someday in my own country (Peru). Cheers!
LUIS FE Rojas It will!
***** Lets see how Ireland respects the 40% of people who didn't agree before we get all proud our track record is not great on tolerance of minority's
Sean Ryan I don't feel proud to be Irish because of "all the shit our ancestors went through". I feel proud to be Irish for a great many reasons, but that is not one of them. "All the shit our ancestors went through" is a source of sorrow for me, not pride.
CONGRATULATIONS Ireland
YES to love, equality, diversity and peace
NO to hate and bigotry.
Yes for Equality.
Hell yeah for equality 🏳️🌈
I would love to see that bigot’s reaction to the yes vote.
Caesar Santizo In the medium to long term i think he would have to concede there was little effect on his everyday life or society. I mean he was already willing to concede civil unions so the only difference were certain rights but the big one was about child rearing and that was already a done deal anyway. The other one i'm guessing is gay couples being able to officially use the word. So he was basically fighting about a word and the social status of gay couples.
Fascist
I wish this could be done in the Philippines. Always wanted to travel to Ireland, and after finding out that the Irish voted YES, it made me love the country more!
Sheen Ray Valdez Come on over!! That ticket won't book itself!! :D
DontWakeTheInsomniac I will!! I'm still saving money for that round trip ticket!! Haha
I totally agree! Watching this happen to other countries gives me hope that we could also do it in the Philippines.
Sheen Ray Valdez Imo they probably would in a generation or so. They'd probably be among the first or second wave of asian countries and certainly not the last.
here's your choices
if you a city person choose Luzon where there's jeeps buildings and no nature.
If your a nature person choose Visaya's where there's a lot of farmers,trees,grass,ect.
i never been to Mindanao. so i don't know?
Most homosexual couples don't want children. And the ones that do have to fight to give their child the best life possible or risk getting them taken away. Homosexual couples embrace a child's individuality because they themselves are outcasts.
Heterosexual couples are better? When more than half end in a breakup or divorce that leaves one parent with the child, having them forced to endure 18 years of financial instability before having their children live with them until they're 30?
MrLoneWolf009 this is True Heterosexual Man and Woman , Children
Is succrifice
Parents Is Broken💔👫👦👧👦
Of Hetero perents
And Homosexual
Is Happy With Childrens
Come .
👭👦👧🌈😍😘
YES for LOVE!
NO for HATE!
That's not true.
Yes For Love - {same Sex Marriage} - Evil . 😈
No for Hate- Man and Woman - God . 😇
😈-😇 God & Evil .
Equality Love
👭😍🌈
Off Course not .
@@angelicarona9315 who do u think is god?
boydude 212 its to Right to Equality .
Its Not About God Its About Equality.
Lgbt Rights .
I hate the whole “1 mother 1 father” crap, it’s not representative of modern society, many people grow up in single parent households and they’re fine, voting “no” to same sex marriage/preventing them from adopting or fostering children is closing the door on thousands of kids who need a home, if two parents are loving and want the best for the child, I don’t see how having two dads or two mums could hurt! Better than having nobody at all
The “No” campaign seems to have a rather fantastically positive view of “traditional families” - one that completely ignores the incontrovertible fact that in a tremendous number of cases they are utterly dysfunctional.
***** Citation needed.
***** they function proper and the fact is that we are not extinct.99.9 species that ever lived are gone.that is life not a tv show.
Yeah. And what about the divorce rates???
russianbear54 those rates are because ladies want perfection and emotion and avoid compromise and acceptance of the fact that boys will be boys and will play with toys not doll house
armourdaddy805 We didn't go extinct and yet for hundreds of thousands of years there was no such thing as marriage.
I'm first generation Irish American. So proud of Ireland.
Im such a proud Irish man today, yes yes yes! Who would have thought a country that has been under the thumb of the Catholic Church for so long could achieve a result of this magnitude.
The times they are a changing
NGOs invested into Ireland looot of money in last dacade to re-format Irish brains. Job is done. You can see the results by eye
@@peterpoborsky6392
Oh please just piss off, you utter moron.
The Irish people discussed this issue among themselves, and decided that they wished to treat their fellow citizens equally in terms of marriage rights.
I am incredibly proud that we, the Irish people, actually did this by a NATIONAL REFERENDUM.
@@gloin10 Amazing Ireland.
LOVE IS LOVE. Ireland has made history today. So proud to be Irish.
Parenting? Err, this is marriage mate. Besides, stop demonizing "lesser" parents. Gays are already parents and the children are actually hurting from YOUR speech.
A child having a mum and dad does not always make for the most ideal family unit. having 2 mums or 2 dads can be just as fulfilling to a child's needs. There are all kinds of family units - including single parent and child, grandparent and child. The most important thing to provide for the child is LOVE, protection and security. A mother and father family can also be bad for a child if there is physical, sexual and/or emotional abuse. If the 'No' campaign REALLY cares about the child, it should vote 'Yes' to protect ALL children, even the ones that same-sex couple's have, through marriage.
children in households with unrelated adults living in them are subjected to dozens of times the rate of abuse, including households with same sex relationships
I always find it hilarious that the No campaign always focuses on children. Forgetting that not every married couple has children nor can every couple can have children. "I believe every child has a right to a mother and father" its a sentiment and that's about all we can say about that statement. In a country that forcibly took children from unwed mothers placed them into abusive pastoral care organisations and sent them off to other people in the US and Australia amongst other countries without any notice given to the birth parent(s) about what happened to the child. The concern for children exhibited and leveraged by the church has come about 40 years too late and is misguided in the extreme as scientific study has revealed that stability in the parent/child relationship is more critical than the sex or gender of the parent.
A child needs loving and safe parents not abusive parents
I'm a straight dude who is in support of a YES vote. I don't think I get to decide how another person lives their life, so long as they are living a kind, nonviolent life. Given this viewpoint, I can stand up straight and say, "You don't get to decide how I live my kind, nonviolent life either." I get to say this because I am not being a hypocrite telling others what they can do, while expecting them not to tell me what I can. I wonder how this hypocrisy of some of my fellow straight people can be pointed out in the clearest terms? Perhaps there should be a parallel vote on straight marriage, and the LGBTQI... community will probably vote YES on that, given how kind they are. That can then be given proper media attention, and advertised, so that the bigots among straight people can see how others are willing to be kind to them. I'm just spitballing for effective strategy to communicate the message folks. (I get it. This vote is from 6 years ago. Doesn't matter - there's always bigots who need convincing.)
I hate how the no side keep making it about children, what about single parents, people who have lost their parents and people who can’t and simply don’t want children. My parents aren’t married but are still together but according to the no side you can only have children if you’re married like this is the 21st century ??
They say gay parents raise gay children ? But straight parents can raise gay children just as gay parents can raise straight children😂
I believe in the traditional marriage. Marriage should be between a man and a woman. I believe that after the age of 18, a woman should be forced to marry the man of her father's choosing to settle land disputes. You know...traditional marriage.
The fact that you can't sell your daughter for three goats and a pig, to become a man's fourth wife, means we've already redefined the definition of marriage.
andy le I really wish people carried around cards with their opinions like this. Then we'd be able to stay far away from bigoted sexist people like this.
I’m gay and don’t accept same sex marriage
Let's make history! Let they majority extend their rights to the minority population in the name of fairness, understand, and compassion. Im confident in a YES vote and cant wait to live in Ireland as an equal citizen.(and also to give myself a break from all those despicable things iv heard n read in the past few months from the church and iona institute!)
The Iona institute are shit stirrers 💩 pure and simple!
I grew up without a father does that make me less of a person? it does as far as the No person thinks. I am so proud to be Irish and that Ireland voted yes to equality.
Threatening to leave the country ...
.. is only giving that homophobe exactly what he has always wanted.
Every time someone talks about two same-sex parents not being able to raise their kid properly I get so angry. Not even for myself, and my community, but for all of the single parents out there who's spouse has died or isn't in the picture. Also, every child of a same-sex couple will be lived, because they are wanted. The amount of " accidents" that happen, leaving couples pregnant unprepared for parenthood, is a bigger threat to the lives of children than same-sex marriage is. I'm so glad that when I am older I will be able to marry someone and be happy in that relationship. The only reason a child might have trouble as the child of a same-sex couple is if that kid got bullied for it, and that is not the fault of the couple, that is the fault of the bigots and people in the world are refusing to understand.
I've only stumbled upon this video now and I have to say fair play to Riyadh. I agree with what he said here and the other guy he's talking to is making out that Ireland is a homophobic country. Thank God Ireland voted YES. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. WELL DONE RIYADH 👍
so u need a man and a woman to rasie a child well thats bull wot about single parents they raise kids all the time and most turn out normal
I was raised mostly by a single mother. I am sure that it would have been different if i was raised by a same sex couple.
chipzz86 so to vote yes you believe there should be no recognition of the difference between male/female and same sex unions .... that is madness, it also, at best, weakens the biologocal factor being a legal strength in society.
I think child being raised in happy, safe, loving, environment is most important thing the relationship status of the parents
***** i wld like to see where u got them numbers i really wld a link wld be nice there are probably more pedos in the organized religion than ppl who are gay
***** think u need to read the articul as it rip apart Anne Atkins state me about gay men
www.huffingtonpost.com/murray-lipp/gay-men-myths-stereotypes_b_3463172.html
I don’t get how there was even a referendum! As a gay 19 year old who doesn’t want to get married anyway. I think that it’s definitely treating them as second class. My life would have been better if it was just my mum, because of years and years of physical abuse! Marriage is something people look forward to! It’s promising to always have your back and be by your side. It’s got that deep emotional connection that we are all taught to hope for. Stay strong guys, times are changing xx
Riyadh is awesome! And the whole point of marriage really is to be together with a loved one. It really isn't the same introducing your 'civil partner' to someone as it is to introduce your wife or husband.
As a young lgbt person this vote and the campaigns run on either side have truly shaped my life, in my young and vulnerable age during the campaign if there had been a no vote I don't think I could have continued living. My family may not have supported me but Ireland does
Some people make me really sad. People who don't want gays to Marry sicken me. And all the arguments against hay marriage are rubbish.
Argument 1: A baby deserves a mum and a dad.
Who says every gay couple are going to have a baby? And if they do, the baby will have both motherly and fatherly models. People like grandparents, aunts uncles and even teachers. Anyway, you don't know what your missing out on of you never had it in the first place.
Argument 2: Its unnatrual.
Like hair dye? Or air conditioners? Or printers? They are all unnatural but we don't bat an eyelash at them. Anyway, its not. It's been around for thousands of years. Were just only not really learning about it. Is just love, and love is very natural.
Argument 3: God never wanted it.
Then why did he make it part of our world? Legalise it in some countries and let gays live happy lives?
Any other arguments? Come at me, I have counters to them all.
Annie Mac Why are you twitting on ? The Referendum was won by the yes side 'Hay' marriages are now going to be legal in ROI - of course we will now need a new word for Marriage, but I don't know what possible problem you have
I believe father and mother teach children different too. We can feel it. Sometimes we can't put it in words because most of the upbringing memories took place in the path. And we can not always recall things as they just happened yesterday. Also some of us are not articulate, well prepared enough to explain it in the moment being confronted by this question "what things that your father can teach you but your mother cant?" Give the no compaign guy a day or two. I think when he settles down a little, he will come up with a decent answer.
"The two of them taught me manners" while repeatedly interrupting him and dodging his question
:D i watched your video about calling friends that bullied you for being gay and it made me happy because you were so positive. Im gay and irish and this law for same sex marriages is amazing! Loved this video
Big YES from Bulgaria :P
The same bigots who say civil partnerships are a decent alternative opposed them when they were first proposed. Also, separate but equal much?
Hopefully the North of Ireland will have the same rights as we do down south
The same things they said about gay marriage being bad they said about interracial marriage in the states.
they taught me manners.............. oh no they didnt
Riyadhs view is the one I agree with #votedyes!
Only a few hours til the results!!!
Pause at 2:30, is that mattress mick??
no not him ahhhhaha could be his son tho
I don’t know why I’ve recently come back to this, Riyadh was a RUclipsr I used to watch back in the day and I stumbled on this little chestnut!
I distinctly remember when these debates were happening in the UK and one of the prevailing arguments against same sex marriage was this concept that marriage is about procreation, if you can’t procreate you shouldn’t be married. The reason why this statement stuck in my mind all these years is quite simple. At the time of these debates my sister had suffered the unparalleled trauma of a miscarriage. It occurred to me that if these statements that people kept so casually vociferating were to be believed, then my sister no longer had the right to be married. Luckily, then as now, marriage isn’t about procreation, it’s about commitment and legal protection. The irony is both men wanted to change the definition of marriage, just in different ways.
Can a couple not exist without wanting a child
The Iona institute is a hardline catholic organisation on the extreme right on all social issues, to not explain what these people represent gives a false picture. The no campaign painted a picture of people being 'bullied' when in actual fact they were the bullies in the campaign.
Here is what the against guy’s argument is essentially saying (whether he realizes it or not): his argument isn’t against same-sex marriage, it’s against same-sex adoption. So his so called no vote can’t exist; because it’s a ‘NO’ to a question that’s not being asked. So his particular argument has no actual “NO” to gravitate to, leaving him with only one conclusion: a yes vote.
I don't see why the BBC has to be impartial about this. The choice is clear, and shouldn't be deliberated over in 2015: vote yes.
What does Conroy know about same sex marriage and children? It's not like he was brought up by two people of the same sex. I'm sure many people who were brought up that way would be very offended by him.
"....haters....bigots....homophobes..." Sounds pretty right to me.
In the town I live near there is a cafe with a pride flag up on it and it's been there for almost a year now any no-one has complained about it or passed it any heed at all and only a few months ago someone put up another one across the river next to it, it's great and always makes me love my country even more for how nice the people are most of the time...
I would like to see an update of this video 5 years later
The whole "Children deserve a mother and a father" argument is redundant in this context. There was a bill passed a month or two ago saying that same sex couples can adopt kids. This is a vote for equal marriage rights and the fact that they have to turn to an argument that makes no sense in that context really says everything.
marriage is what a couple make of it. marriage (called by other names but essentially the same) has existed throughout history but the way society sees it, or recognises it changes. but essentially the current marriage isn't about children its about two people standing up and saying this is the person I love and want to spend the rest of my life with. so glad that same sex marriage is spreading, finally people are recognising that gay or straight relationships are essentially the same.
Why were they interviewing at that bus stop
It's such a privileged argument to threaten to leave the country.
The no side thinks good riddance and those too vulnerable to travel are burdened by discrimination.
GO IRELAND
JOIN THE GAY SIDE/
We have cookies :3
When will we know the results of the vote?
***** Saturday afternoon. Vote is open until 10pm tonight and then counting starts tomorrow morning.
So marriage is now hugely about having and raising kids?
Love that they had this referendum. No matter the outcome, but the fact that the people were able to vote on one particular pollicy, it´s awesome.
The no guy was arguing that civil unions and marriage are the same thing and you get the same rights, but if you're doing that, what's the problem with just going all the way and allowing same sex marriage? If there's no difference, where's the issue with granting a right that so many people desperately want?
When did it full stop
To the guy in this video who is against:
If every child has a right to a mother and a father and you wish to bring this up during a MARRIAGE debate then you just condemned childless marriages since you automatically linked children with marriage which has no merit in a same-sex marriage debate. If you want to talk adoption or family planning, then you can bring that up outside of the marriage equality debate. But within this different debate, you would also have to address children in divorced heterosexual marriages, single people adopting and in vitro fertilization.
Despite all of this, Ireland saw right past all of your bull. CONGRATS IRELAND😘❤️🏳️🌈
Privilege is being able to make fact-free arguments and having people take you seriously as "one side" of a "two-sided" debate.
ERIN GO BRAGH! Time to celebrate!!
Do the No Campaign want to say anything to the SINGLE parents raising children? Is that wrong?
How about a referendum for these politicians to take a pay cut.
Ban divorce first if so called right of children having father and mother !
Yes For Love
#LOVEWINS
A man and a man can look after a child just like a women and man. A women and women can look after a child
The old guy at 2:20 was such a quaint, adorable bigot! 😂
From what I understand, this referendum has divided the Leprechaun community, as well?
That would be a moot point, until we can get a genuine spokesperson for the Leprechaun Community...
I'm so glad that I watched this video after the vote passed. I would have gotten so angry at that young fella working for the Iona Institute. As it is I was just laughing at him,
Every child should have a mother and a father.
I vote equal rights both parties it means gay must be choice to like to be marriage that's it. Please don't argue about that...
The meaning of marriage is love that should be the only meaning of marriage not children, being against same sex marriage is literally taking away someone's human rights
Once again Ireland led the way. Thanks to the Catholic Church for failing so spectacularly
That guy from the NO side seems like an awful dose!
Vote yes
Every one Deseved To be Happy
Marriage Equality.
the guy voting no has some really flawed logic. For instance when he talks about children and how if gay people are allowed to marry then they will want to adopted children. Firstly what is going to happen if they are allowed to adobt children? That they are going to use their militant gay ways to try and force the kid to become gay? Chances are they are going to be better suited in a home with two moms and two dad, rather than a broken home where they are beaten or homeless and hungry living on the streets. Secondly, not every straight couple who gets married has kids. Also what if an elderly couple gets married, do you think they will be able to have children? So no not all gay couples will want children. Some will, some wont.
in Ireland they used to shit shit up hill using a wheelbarrow.
How times have changed.
And Riyadh was also right to ask what the mother or father teach that can't be taught by someone else.
God made the man and then the woman to be a family and have children . And there is no way for two men and two women to wave someone else baby . And even the gay and lesbiens have parents and that how they came in this world .
Westboro Baptist Church got upset by this news but they mistook Irish flag for the flag of Ivory Coast. Oops.
Can we squeeze in the "loving" part into parenting? It's not enough to just have parents, mom and dad, same sex parents, foster parents, or single parent, it's absolutely crucial and critical that the parent/parents are loving, caring, and attentive. Case in point: it's better to have loving, caring foster parents than to be with abusive (physically,mentally) biological parents. Unsurprisingly, love matters again, and it's love that's the essence of parenting (not simply having two different anatomical private part). The gay guy got it right that children of same sex family deserve equal protection. A family unit of just 2 people without kids also deserve equal respect and protection.
Also, this whole idea of gender role that a man is a certain way and a woman is a certain way is antiquated! It is this same idea that ridicule gentle and sensitive men, while mocking aggressive and confident women. Obviously, some straight people shatter the typical gender role/expectation, and even more so gay people completely destroys it. What does it mean to be a "woman"? or "man"? Being caring, gentle, sensitive, aggressive, tough, confident, stoic? ANY person, male or female, can assume and be any of these traits. Let me throw in there too one of the top (if not the top) runway model expert with high heels is a black man!
At the end of day, voting NO means direct harm to loving gay couples while voting YES means direct harm to........actually, I can't think of any, except for maybe the mental anguish of homophobic bigots who can't see their gay neighbors oppressed?
Beef is going to go down between the two sides.
The no-voter's arguments are so lame............ Fortunately most Irish people haven't voted the way he has! :-) Congratulations Ireland!
Open relationships are being glamourised
Common sense 1 , bigotry 0 . Now for more wins .
If marriage happens in church I think that church should decide if they would allow it.
Like so many other business decide what they allow inside their factories,offices etc.
I would support marriage for all people BUT it should not force other people to change their lives because of that change.
If I owned coffee shop gays would be welcome but if I owned a church and followed bible they would not be as simple as that.
Gay and straight marriages should be at equal standing but gays should know that bible which is the highest authority in churches does not allow being gay. So in law marriages would be equal but church ceremony would not be available for gays.
BTW. I am agnostic and I would want to gays be able to marry in church but bible is the obstacle in this and if churches are not owned by government they should be free to decide if gay marriage in their church is ok.
P.S. I could not even watch video to the end as I found all this shit so aggrevating
If their is something we have learned from this, its that THEIRS A GOLF SALE ON OVER THERE GO GO GO!
-You cannot change marriage law for your own interests and for your nonsense
-wellllll, watch me. And we did.
4:23 if you don't agree you're evil. That's the debate. Ugh
Riyadh Caliph? Doesn't sound Irish to me. Sounds like a title in Saudi Arabia.
For Me Yes Because Is A Right to Choose If You Love Someone , And Woman and Man is a Religion I Respect That To Believe ..
if Ireland votes yes, that's going to leave Ulster swinging in the breeze.
JoeKyle
hope you stay there.
raverdeath100 Don't worry I probably will
***** yes
Who'd want to get married anyway, its a pain in the arse!
The No guy was useless as they all are. He couldn't answer any of these points, especially as Riyadh said, the issue of children is completely irrelevant and separate.
What the hell are they saying?