We Went To Gay Conversion Therapy Camp (Part 1/3)
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Conversion therapy is the practice of "curing" gay people by trying to turn them straight through counseling and lifestyle restrictions. The practice dates back to the early Freudian period, when homosexuality was considered pathological and attempts to treat it were deemed appropriate. Today, however, homosexuality has been removed from the American Psychiatric Association's list of mental disorders, and conversion therapy is considered ineffective, harmful, and potentially deadly.
Regardless of a nationwide battle toward the acceptance of same-sex marriage and equal rights for gay people, conversion therapy is still a problem, and it's being practiced every single day in the United States and throughout the world.
In this special report, VICE gets exclusive access to one of the hundreds of gay-conversion-therapy organizations, groups, and sessions in the United States. At the Journey into Manhood program, men pay more than $600 to attend a weekend retreat where they participate in exercises and activities the staff members claim will help them battle their same-sex orientation. The only qualification to become a staff member is to have successfully completed the program.
The report meets with the founder of reparative therapy, Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, who is illegally practicing on minors in the State of California, and investigates the controversial legal battle to fight conversion therapy for individuals under 18 years of age. We also travel to the annual Gay Christian Network Conference, speak with former "ex-gay" leaders including John Smid of Love in Action, who is now married to his gay partner, and hear the grueling stories of the individuals who have survived this brutal practice.
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So they try to diminish homosexuality by putting them in the gayest theater class I've ever seen? Ok.
+Rolando Treto ikr. that's a gay man's paradise. All these other gay men trapped in the same place, forced to sleep around each other? fuckin' heaven l0l
+Rolando Treto Not only gay theatre, but gay theatre about a man named Jack and his giant beanstalk.
+Rolando Treto have you been to broadway?
+Rolando Treto Hahaha seriously!
***** Seriously though. The counselors must have been dealt a personalized middle finger from god.
trying to get rid of the gay with theatre? nothing can go wrong
T8201gadgets hell yeah dud
Double negative i guess?
Or maybe double positive in this case because theater is my jam.
I want to play the girl !!
Morgan Olfursson You will play tree #3!
they pay money to perform in a play of jack and beanstalk? not only is that the worlds shittiest metaphor but what a waste of time and money
imagine having a bf when ur a girl and one day he goes "know you funny story i was gay once but a weekend theater fixed me"
@Jeske Wljers IKR! 😲
seriously, as a hetero woman I would LOVE to see interviews of wives of men like this. Hey, maybe they're asexual or in their own denial and the partnership works for them, too.
But I was wondering about the wives even before read your comment. I'd be really surprised to hear any of these guys have a healthy sex life with a hetero, sexual woman.
@Iwillpoundyourbooty Andlynchyou that's completely different...
@Iwillpoundyourbooty Andlynchyou yes, it is but it's that has nothing to do with the comment. To me it feels like you're against it by the way you speak of it.
I had a bisexual bf once that would turn gay on me from time to time. He left me for another woman, but eventually chose the gay route. This really upset his preacher father. I heard of a 12-step program called homosexuals anonymous and I told him about it. I thought he'd be mad but he was delighted! I think he must have gone to it because he did get married and have two children. From the looks of his wife, he might have met her there.
@@nancyminui9108 🙄 he's probably still gay. Just because you get a new look for your outward appearance doesn't mean your instincts or true self has changed. I dated a "bi" guy too, he left after he came out as gay and now he's happy graduated from college and loves his boyfriend to death. His parents are super religious yet... As everyone must at some point, they learned to live with it and still love him because at the end of the day, he's their son. Or hell... I don't know... Maybe your ex is STILL BISEXUAL. The literal point of being bi is being attracted to both sexes, if he has a wife that doesn't make him straight and I think it's odd and very rude to say "and from the looks of his wife he probably met her there" what are you getting at?
My cousin was sent to a conversion therapy camp and when he came back he was just not the same he didn’t talk to nobody he was fucking scared of everything. He later took his own life..
Damn did your family regretted that?
@@匚尺丂乇-k3v honestly deep down I know they are hurt by it cause he was the most successful one in my family but they act like as if it didn’t hurt when I know it did
Honestly, thats some controversy with these camps sometimes they end in a psychological disaster (also other forms of camps) and thats awful
RIP I don’t blame him not to be insensitive at all but when people mess with your mind like that it can f%cK you up
I can imagine this is the outcome.
To the guy who said “everyone is heterosexual”
*My gaydar really going off on you*
Taco Queen I was thinking this fucking fruit cake over here...
he looks like someone who rents college guys with bodybuilder physique
he looks like someone who rents college guys with bodybuilder physique
Taco Queen lol same
My too 😌
"There's more depression" Yeah probably because they're constantly being shat on for who they are??
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Allah is a terrorist well maybe black people are used to the fact of people being racist to them
And gay people are not used to the fact?
I think its rather often the own parents who call homosexuality abnormal and scar the person for life, not necessarily society - except you are raised in a rather conservative neighbourhood.
@@dimosereqko2 - Racism and homophobia, while both forms of morally repugnant bigotry, are completely different. The depression and subsequent suicide of many gay people (particularly teens) comes about because of years of shaming, bullying, ridicule and being disowned by their own friends and families for being who they are. Black people are subjected to systematic and societal disadvantage. What they are forced to endure is different. Women are sexually objectified, harassed and assaulted and generally not taken as seriously as men are in many cases. Again, they endure dangers and disadvantages that men largely do not, but what they endure is very different to specifically what gay people endure.
It's a lot more complex than simply "if gay people became depressed and killed themselves because of homophobia, then black people would do the same because of the racism". You need to understand these issues better and really look at the causes and effects of different forms of discrimination.
Journey Into Manhood: The Weekend Experience.
Not a gay porno title at all
Yeah, that is TOTALLY not gay and 1000% straight!
“Part 1/3”
NO HOMO bro lol
And that Jack and the "Bean stalk" thing hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@@minis9416 buttholes down fellas
“Let’s work out the kinks”
Omg I couldn’t help but to laugh
Freudian slip
Empty your mind
Don't forget they are in the forest as well so I'm sure they will encounter plenty of bears.
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
the kinks were a good band lol
I'm gay and I'm not promiscuos, I don't do "group" sex or "anonymous sex," and I'm happy with myself. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Well said.
Sadly some are in fear of eternal punishment in burning hell fire
I know right! I am gay too and I think that people should just mind their own business instead of trying to change someone's innate self.
Jose Olivares they made the choice to be there it's on them
Censorshipisreal Cham This fucktard is why biology must be taught
You say gay men are into one night stands as if straight people don't do that
That's actually one of the things they didn't lie about. Gay dating is very.... Well, it's what happens when you put a bunch of men together without women to even it out.
Lesbian dating is what happens when you have all women with no men to balance it out.
Mostly people settle down over time though. It's ussually guys in their early 20's who've just come out of the closet or started figuring themselves out, so they want it and they want it now.
And when they live in conservative areas where they can't be open and honest due to discrimination, they'll also want it in secret, with near complete strangers. That's kind of sad, but the homophobes are to blame for that happening.
At least gay one night stands don't result in unwanted pregnancies😂
Let's be honest, hook up culture is way worse in the gay community. Like, really, try even _finding_ gay guys in their 20s who actually want a relationship.
Obviously, they exist, but it's saddeningly uncommon
Even so, what does it matter? People have sexual needs and there is nothing wrong with having one night stands. Not everybody would like to have a relationship like ever, also it's okay to explore new stuff and if you like it too much, you can stick with it but please don't judge people that live their lives without sticking to social norms.
Victor Malyar, you're a fucking idiot lmao.
“Journey into Manhood” literally sounds like a gay romance novel lmao
Gavin Mosher to me it sounds like a porn movie
Gavin Mosher lmfao 🤣🤣🤣
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Yaaas
@@maybethisismarq but a gay one
"I have a license as a clinical psychologist"
yeah we are going to need that back
Exactly. Any medical “professional “ who practices gay conversion should immediately lose their license. Charlatans.
Honestly i find it wonderful to make people have the option to be more of a man and making them heterosexual, since some dont have the mindset to be able to change even tho they want to.
@@schqanz3609 every word in that sentence is nonsense.
@@sofiatoto_yo2068 it actually is but conversion therapy is not based on the evidence-based scientific research that psychology is actually made up of.
@@Masanumi says you? Dont even talk to me with that small ahh braib
It sucks that these guys aren't happy with the way they are, but if they try to change that what is the problem? It's not like these camps kidnap them.
Your right they just try to change their sexuality which has been proven to be not possible, and treating them like meat.
Bob Snieger It has not been proven to be impossible. We don't know a lot about sexuality. You're talking out of your ass
It's a symptom of a scoiety that treats gay as though it were bad. That there are places that try to "cure" gay reenforce the idea that gay is bad. As the video said they target people at around the ages of 16-24, around the time when your in highschool and you have to be around people who are immature, looking for people to single out, and when everyone is stressed out trying to find themselves already.
If you exist in a world where you being gay is a wound that animals will pounce on than you will end up believing some pretty crazy things and take on some harmful actions.
Yoishify It doesnt matter, the burdon of proof lies on you. At no point has this practice ever been supported by any kind of Peer-reviewed blind studies.
The Exile Exactly
the amount of sexual tension that must go on at these conversion camps 😭
Yeah because everyone there is gay.
That’s gotta be hard. Pun intended
Exactly, very hard
I'm sure some give in
'They are into one night stands and anonymous hookups'.
So a bit like straight people then?
Thank you. Let them see Tinder stories n shit. Most of it is straight folks.
my brother went to one of these and ended up dating one of the councilors lol
Jane Fox congratulations to him then
YES!!
Was the councilor hot tho?
Iconic
Insert Congratulations you played yourself meme here
Something one of my friends said: “Just because I like a man that doesn’t make me less of one”
Unless you are a woman.
Ola Marca well played
Doesn’t being gay make you manly because you only like manly people and not those posh delicate girls, XD
Or bite back with “Do you like everyone woman/man you meet?” Just because I like women doesn’t mean I like every woman I see/meet.
*@NerdyFox26*
“Posh delicate girls” lmao have you MET women?
Ryan- “Let’s try not to be gay anymore.” Dennis- “ How on earth can we do that? Ryan-“ We’ll do a summer camp with 40 gay men with sleepovers, magic beans, and musical theater”. Dennis- “ Gee that sounds amazing but how long will it take to make us not gay?” Ryan-”2 days max”
" heterosexual man with umm... issues" is the biggest " im gay and in denial" ive ever heard
I know 🤣
you can see the hurt in his eyes. he needs to be saved and this “therapy” shit should be illegal
@@xtcemi agreed.
BedHead it is in a lot of states, but it seems like this “camp” is only men over 18 and the laws typically protect minors.
he's so hot...
The dudes running the camp are so deeply closeted they've reached Narnia.
Legend 😂😂😂
I noticed that none of them, in the first installment of the three part series anyways, mentioned being in a hetero relationship. I thought they were "fixed"...
Gold 😂😂😂😂
Spot on
Best line I’ve heard this year
how is something like this legal but weed isn't? America is so fucked up.
Weed is not a drug, it's a medical plant and it helps people lmao
+Thank's Pete yeah exactly
The people volunteer for this
You don't seem to realize that weed is an illegal substance. There is nothing that they're doing wrong here, these people volunteered for this camp.
+Bob Knaus I understand it is illegal, I am am saying why is something like weed considered such a threat and dangerous substance but trying to change someone sexual orientation can cause actual dangerous, mental side effects. No one should be taught to hate a part of them selves. I think you misunderstood me 😘
So interesting how the councillors say they want “to be a husband and want to be a father” nothing about wanting to be with a women or wanting a wife. Someone should probably tell them they can be a father and husband in a same sex relationship haha
Well you can be a husband
@@joeyb1797 you can adopt and be a father
Puke!
@@benmollitor3776 ?
@@lilbig948 you can also choose surrogacy, and some trans men can have children even after they undergo hormone therapy. there are so many ways, including fathering a child from a previous relationship, people are just ignorant.
So much self-hatred in these men. Sad.
Plenty of hetero's hate themselves too. There are deeper issues in life than who turns you on. (A point Jesus kept trying to make, when he told them "No Sex In Heaven, people!") (The whole place is orgasmic)
Ohh please, the gay vibe on the professor is so overflowing.
No kidding, the man walks with a lisp.
Rich SJ. It makes the gaydar go beep beep beep.
Closet cases! They need to accept their own repressed sexualities!
I WAS THINKING THIS AHHHA
I was just about to say this
"When you look at gay sex, very simply, the parts don't fit." Well, we could show you how it fits.
faderoseamer 😭😭😭😂😂😂
faderoseamer Nice! I lol'd, haha.
This is always what I think when I hear that. I still fits. Hell, even straight people do it the same way sometimes. So if straight couples can do it, and it works, the I would say it fits.
Tyler Baker seems easier to fuck a man than a woman.
with women you gotta go under and up and it's awkward. with a man you just walk up behind him and stick it in. easy.
faderoseamer Yes we could... 😂☝👍👅💋💦✂🍆🍑😂😂
It is INSANE how much abuse the LGBT community has endured through the years!!!
I’m so glad that conversation therapy is now seen as a damaging practice.
It is not damaging
You just want to ban it because it works
@@SB-iy9vn people who are sent to this camps are getting mentally, emotionally and sometimes even physically abused. And it doesn’t work, you just make the person traumatized and afraid to be themselves. Seek help as quickly as possible
I don't mind, I'm looking for the cure for myself. I'm actually sad that it's been made illegal I was really hoping there was a legitimate conversion therapy I could join.
@@jadegrenade8287conversation therapy is a horrific experience…I had to take the traditional practices because my parents insisted. They didn’t even know what it was. And every time I came home, I couldn’t walk because if I showed attraction to a picture of a hot guy in a hot magazine, they shocked my testicles. You do not want to go to conversation therapy. Ever.
@@Nick.loves.men. Guess I'll suffer as a homosexual then.
This is illegal in Europe, just saying
As it should be
We have it in Poland :)
@bea kiddo So are guns and freedom, just saying.
@@honeybuns6561 Bruh you know nothing lmao
Ok but they aren’t being forced to go to this camp. They go if they choose to.
I cannot take the staff seriously. They are all in denial cause HONEY......
He's like "I want to be a husband and father" does he know he can still be that. Its sad that they think they aren't "normal".
normal is a description of statistics... it also doesn't mean right or wrong... smartass
sharksareawesome24 I doubt someone with the username "sharksareawesome24" is able to say gays are abnormal and you are normal.
Marisol Molina could he make that child biologically?
Nathan Steffanic yes he could because trans men exist and so do surrogate mothers lmao
"We cure homosexuality" proceeds to direct a theater class about receiving a magical sack of seed and phallic objects
Sounds like a Mike Pence program...
That's a bit homophobic.
Dyou seriously believe in and agree with homosexual stereotypes?
@@mortenson-boxymusic ffs it's a joke. I am gay myself, so I wouldn't say I'm homophobic. It's even funnier that these people who most likely spread and ridiculously believe this stereotype are actively engaging it while trying to "turn people straight".
Alicia Christian *i may have told her* (•~•)
Witness the wonders of SCIENCE
I'm a straight ally to the LGBTQ community and I grew up in a supportive environment. and it's sad that people still can't accept that gay people are real lol when will homophobes get over themselves.
I can't wait till south park gets ahold of this
Hill Country Bass TV they already have
Camillo Gavajda Which episode is it?
dalys Thelame 155 ,,cartman sucks,,
They already have.
Hill Country Bass TV lol it's one of my favorite episodes
Them **talking about how gay isn’t real**
Also them: *we carry magic seeds*
lol so gay
Also them : god shows you the way and a man walked on water and and and
10 years before the movie came out and few centuries after Buddhist temples.
@@ingunakirsteine4336 what do Buddhist temples have to do with this. Also are you implying that Buddhist temples aren't a thing anymore
@@bennett7658 they're called omamori. It's basically a charm bag, that one acquires when visiting some temples. They are strikingly similar in appearance. Google it.
2:24 That dude is gay and there's nothing god, budda, allah, moses or dark vedah can do about it. He was born gay and he will die gay.
You forgot to mention they are great decorators as well,you want your house to look great,hire a gay person.
philosophicalreason blocked may God have mercy on your soul
god's gay
The idea that people are born with an inherent sexuality has never been proven.
World Citizen dumbass nobody is born gay
I think ANY parent who sends their kids to this “therapy” should be subject to the same treatment that these kids are put through.
What a great idea!
The kid should also be removed from them as any parent thinking this is okay isn’t capable of raising a child
@@maximeminassian6002 bro is the definition of an attention seeker
@@Warrior88927 and yet you responded to me therefore giving me attention 🤭
@@maximeminassian6002 y’all think you have “trauma” but you don’t all that’s really happening is your parents want you to be normal which is good now quit whining and go get some fresh air maybe that will cure you of your illness.
You get a bunch of gay dudes in one camp, run by probably gay dudes and expect them to come out straight? Lol sure buddy, sure.
With zero "gay-dar" experience to back up this scientific data; one glimpse at Dr TOO GAY Joseph Nicolosi triggered that same thought.
Hello my "spirit" human!
You know what they all did after that... 😏
Jk jk
converting gays through theatre... its like they werent even trying 😭
IKR 💀
chuu
What?
It’s genius. Set up a “gay conversion therapy camp” and give them the time of their lives. Either way nothing is changing and least it will have positive effects
Chuu our lesbian queen
Regardless if it is born with or not, the more driven question should be. WHY DO YOU CARE. There is fundamental problem with human beings, and that problem is PEOPLE CAN'T MIND THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS. As long as I am not hurting you, or anyone else, what the F*ck does it matter who I am sleeping with, what God I am praying to, if I like cats or dogs, if I am a Democrat or a Republican etc etc. People who have problems with Gays are basically people who are admitting that they have a boring and pathetic life and have nothing better to do with their time than to worry about what's going on in other people's homes.
Analogically, it's not your damn bussiness what they're doing in this camp or if they want change their orientation (regardless of such possibility). As long as they're not hurting you or anyone else, what the F*ck does it matter what they are doing with thei lives, and to what god they are praying to, if they like cats or dog, if they are Democrats or Republicans etc. etc. People who have problems with gays-who-want-be-straight are bascially people who are admitting that they have a boring and pathetic life and have nothing better to do woth their time than to worry about what's going on in other pepole's lives.
Tomasz x It is criminal to exert any kind of violence on anyone and that includes psychological violence, the real question is how did these poor people get to believe they need to change what they are? Because monsters around them constantly attack them for what they naturally are and that is true violence.
marco conti They attended the camp by their consent, hence your carefully made-up theory about alleged criminality does not reflect this case. Thank you for your input.
Márk Simán See? People like you makes gay people wanna go in there!
***** yeah they better be going in there.maybe they come out cured.
I'm gay and would love to debate this with these guys....you don't just turn off sexual orientation. It's so stupid...by their logic I could convince a str8 man to turn gay by sheer force of will. It's absolute nonsense.
They kinda believe it, since a lot of reperative therapy is about how you are an incomplete man that only likes men because of an absent father, and a big closeness to your mother
@@Josue-mv2fo oh I don't doubt that they believe in what they are doing but that doesn't make them right obviously. I came from a "normal" family background...mom dad and 3 older brothers...was never molested or exposed to anything remotely homosexual and from around the age of 8 I knew I was into guys. I tried to mess with girls in my early teens and quickly knew it wasn't working....I could never fake a hard on. I grew up to become a very str8 acting guy and indeed when I did finally come out many many many years later my friends were fairly blown away and suprised. I've come to the conclusion that it's a genetic tick that is the cause of it. One day this will be proven though to what point I'm not sure other than to explain to str8 people that there's no more choice in sexual attraction than your eye color.
It's a built in feature... nothing more... nothing less.
Final thought...I think the real issue is bi sexuals calling themselves gay. This is where the str8 people get the notion that sexual attraction is a choice...not something hardwired in.
@@glenntremblay5406 I know that feel, a lot of bi Christian I meet online go on about how their same sex attractions lowered and their heterosexuality grew, and I later catch them with a guy
If ud like to discuss a different way lmk
@@grizzlemc1662 to not be gay?
"Journey *into* manhood." "Magic seeds." "The story of Jack...and the *amazing beanstock.*"
Why is gay conversion therapy...well, so *gay?*
Peppermint Gal
kk
Ernie and Burt need conversion therapy?
Don't forgot how the beanstalk apparently looks like a giant penis
Because bunch of gay people are there.
Probably because of everyone there being gay, including the counsellors
Just because you’re gay that by no means doesn’t make you any less of a man or any less masculine...
Just makes you good at theater
@@sgtmuffinbadger6147 makes you great at brunch…
@@noblebrown6580 facts. Also gay dudes make mixed drinks really well
Not less of a man but less masculine in most cases but not always your right
No it definitely does
I actually attended this “Journey Into Manhood” weekend years ago. These videos portray it accurately, but omit many of the more disturbing practices led by unskilled, unlicensed, non-professionals. One of the men I attended with ended up committing suicide. One of the founders - Dave Matheson - has now come out as gay and disavowed his harmful practices. Thankfully, I survived and - shocker - I’m still gay and have happily been with my partner for 5 years now. If you are reading this and considering conversion therapy, please know the people running these camps are deeply misguided and ashamed of who they are. You are beautiful just as you are, and your sexuality does NOT need any repairing!
Also, Rich Wyler - the other founder of “People Can Change”, which apparently now calls itself “Brothers Road” after all the scandals, and who is featured in these videos - lived as a gay man for a long time then decided to be a good Mormon boy and marry a woman. He claims to be happily married, and he also happily makes money off of vulnerable, religiously abused, gay men convincing them they can “heal” their sexuality. I’ve seen him get naked and frolic in the woods with other naked men in “non-sexual and healing ways.” Stay away, people!
Thanks for telling your story mate I'm happy that you made it out of there 😘🏳️🌈
CAMREN IS STILL ALIVE thanks! That’s very kind.
Krnabrny Dziobak What were some of the more disturbing things ? Just curious.
🏳️🌈
The man who wants to be a husband and father breaks my heart. He CAN be BOTH AND be gay. It’s so sad.
Right?? I just think he hasn’t had any healthy male relationships in his life to show him that, and that the only male figure who’s treated him with the slightest bit of decency happened to be the gay conversion counsellor 😔
You were both right
“Theres More Depression, Theres more anxiety” hmmm why could that be
yass 🙌 homosexuality doesn’t cause mental health issues; homophobia does.
Lmao i said the exact samething 😂
@@noahmadeitnice If you cannot make kids then you shouldn’t adopt one
@@rlm2933 if u cannot have basic human respect for all walks of life, perish
@@siyae1507 I don’t need to respect anything if i want to, your trying to force me.
I, a home of sexual, am offended
😂😂😂😂
+frank iero frerard
I'm home of sexual too
+eva tronina me too
+eva tronina
I am a home too. I am a home for many microorganisms.
I'm not American and I'm shooked you guys still have those , it's insane your supposed to be the most liberal & free country in the world .... Like even in my country we don't have those for 40 years
Republicans have ruined this country, and morons still vote for them.
GodsDeceased Democrats have ruined this country, and morons still vote for them*
Hubby Bubby Okay “republican in disguise”
Republicans do suck. Oh wait, you guys are talking about the American Political Party, not the universal definition of a Republican. Welp, back to being a Monarchist alone then.
LusitanianBaron _ I’m also a republican (in the UK), but the US republicans are assholes.
It sends shivers down my spine to watch this because if I had come out to my parents when I was in high school, I am 100% sure they would have sent me to one of these camps.
lol. I thought about it but if they send me to gay conversion therapy camp, I might ended up finding a new partner there lol cus I can't just convert myself. IT is just impossible for me.
Ummmmm..... so did anyone else notice that pretty much all of the “staff” are most likely in the closet
They're graduates from the program, so yeah they're basically back in the closet.
Why do you think they wanted to do theatre so much 🤣?
@Heinrich Himmler sexuality can be fluid, so it’s not necessarily something that can be “cured”
@Heinrich Himmler Being gay isnt a disease, Its not a mental disorder, so its not "Curable" or "Fixable." I'm a lesbian, and certain people may take this comment extremely offensively, so be aware.
@@Ihavenoidea122 It's like saying I'm cured of being 6'5", and now I'm average height, you can't cure something like that
“What is your greatest fear this weekend?”
“My greatest fear is letting you down.”
*starts making out passionately*
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol
LMAO
😂 😂 😂 😂
That genuinely sounded like some historical gay period romance movie scene
“Everyone is heterosexual.” *chokes on air in bisexual.*
Bisexual means gay.
Simon Peter no?
Okay edgelord
We get it, you’re horny, move along now
@Andrew Spliffilin nuts Yeah but the idea that you deserve your own classification because you are both is just idiotic
"Here we convert gay people to become straight by having them perform theater with a bunch of other gay men"
"Bold strategy cotton, let's see if it pays off"
“We are physically and anatomically made for the opposite sex. When you look back at gay sex, the parts simply don’t fit”
yes true, some people just happen to LIKE or feel attracted to both or the same sex . And that’s okay. Also honey, the parts fit... trust me.
Diego A lmao I love your comment.
“Anatomically made for the opposite sex”
- Has prostrate easily accessible via butt
What about angering God?
lol I know when he said that I was like dude clearly never tried anal
Omar Khaled who cares
Lots of men , theater , magic beans , thats all pretty gay 👀
And those little "purses."
Don’t forget the seed sacs,
Flutemusic bean stocks
“I wanna be a husband and I wanna be a father” um you can do both of those with a man what
@@theultimatereductionist7592 how bout we burn no one
No you can't have kids with a man.
Hopefully one day he accepts and loves who he is .....
I guess he wants to have a child that has his own flesh and blood along with his partner's flesh and blood
tfw people are triggered.
I’m sorry I’m just laughing because I myself am a lesbian. Like the thought of even attempting to convert someone “straight “ is just downright ridiculous. We are who we are and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Exactly, you can't change love, love is love.
Actually according to the bible there is
As a lesbian, I don't think it is ridiculous at all, I really want a cure.
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SEE THAT THEIR LEADER IS SUPER GAY?!!
no he's so damn gay, the irony
Adrian Gutz right SUS
火山薇薇 As soon as they started doing the theater I was like “everyone in this is gay”
They said they have a same sex attraction but they want to have wives and kids.
armadillo life and that’s fine legit how gays were back in history.....
There's no way this camp isn't just a big gay party at night.
Ryan Newcomb absolutely no way!😂
Ryan Newcomb lmao
Being Gay is NOT a choice; no more than being left handed, instead of right handed, is a choice. In God's infinite wisdom, we were born that way. Nowhere in the 10 commandments does it say that being Gay is a sin. It DOES say that murder (Thou shall not kill) is a grave sin. And by the way, killing someone's character, humiliating them in public, destroying his or her livelihood, is a form of murder, according to the Bible, Talmud, and Midrash (Hebrew scholarly texts by great Biblical sages). When (Straight) people get bent out of shape about someone Gay, it's almost always an ego issue, where they feel threatened that if they associate with someone Gay, others will think them as Gay as well.
"i feel gay what should i do" LETS GO TO A THEATRE CAMP AND TALK ABOUT OUR FEEEEEELINGS
Elena Engels egg fucking zactly lmao
i lol'd
Elena Engels lol exactly
Elena Engels 😂😂😂💀💀💀
That's the gayest thing I've ever heard of
What’s manhood? What’s masculinity? It’s muscular men, long bearded, chest hair, tall, small, fat men, skinny men, nerdy men, rich, poor, family, no family, straight men, Bi men, Gay men, drag queens, trans men, etc. Manhood is represented by men who are true to themselves, men who are respectful and feel comfortable with who they are, no matter the colour, religion, sexuality, culture or whatever
@Rvqsx theyre all men but okay
Rvqsx
Man: adult male human
That’s it.
I was just waiting to find this comment, just like that. The idea that society puts on what means to be a man is completely ridiculous in my opinion. It makes people start trying to fit into something that they don't like and maybe that they aren't!
Instead of worrying about being "a real man", men should be worrying about being a real human, not a jerk like many out there 🙄👀
@@a_random_guy_V they say boys are supposed to be “tough” or else they’re a f... Boys or males are supposed to hide their emotions because society says men should cry... that’s sad🙄
Words dont exist. We made them up! So when we say "what is manhood?" We just say "what does this word mean?" And to a lot of people it means different things.
This Gay Porn Parody is writing itself:
Journey into manhood
Magic seed pouches
The wonder of boys
Pushing the walls...
Marcus Wainright I bet there was a huge orgy after hours there
Marcus Wainright I’m so stoned right now I died lol 😂
Marcus Wainright “ big manly beanstalk “
Thank you so much men to serve
The seed that were planted into jack. Jack has magic seed around his neck
Cant believe people still hate others for their sexual orientations. Its 2023 people
And idgaf
@@tarashek7865 clearly you do 🤣
@@tarashek7865 yap
They're sleeping with each other
I put my money on it
Darious .D yassssss
100%
“We are physically and anatomically designed for the opposite sex.”
G-spot: I beg to differ
And he's right
AND THE PROSTATE CMON
@@exuberantraptor7422 you trynna be punny? CMON 🤣
Yes thooo
Prostate
Few points I want to make.
If you want to be a father then adopt there are millions of children who need a home.
If you want to be married move somewhere that accepts gay marriage instead of paying that therapy place however much money it is to make you hate yourself.
Stop blaming women for the reason you being gay because there are plenty of gay men who aren't super feminine and you wouldn't know they are gay till they told you.
Be happy with who you are because it is going to drive you crazy trying to change yourself to make others happy.
Thanks girl, no one gives a shit.
***** Gay people make excellent parents,,
Few points i HAVE to make.
1: get da fuck off the internet and make some friends
ssevf
Don't tell her what to do or not to do.
xXxBlackwaterXxX You obviously give a shit, since you've responded to every comment here. Why cant you just accept and move on
“ i consider myself a heterosexual man with a lot of issues “ .. um anyone getting strong bi vibes from this guy?
I totally am and him and I can “talk about those issues” 😈
Sounds 100 percent heterosexual to me 😂
It's disgusting to try to change someone's sexual nature. Disgusting.
+Suzey Non Theist why?
+Jaskirat Singh cuz it's fucked up. That's why.
+Joshverd says who? That seems pretty narrowminded.
+Jaskirat Singh someone's sexual orientation is determined in their genes. It's fucked to try and change that shit IN YOUR GENES.
+Joshverd If its in your genes, tell me where it is "in your genes"
Those "counselors" are creepy as fk (not to mention they're prob gay)
incidentalist they’re totally gay
lol! amen@
Yea, actually watched all of it, def gay! (only care because they're doing this to solve it lmao)
suggesting that all homophobes are secretly gay is a form of blaming us for our own oppression and it's pretty cruel. don't do it.
adia Well it’s usually true. Sometimes stereotypes are based on true majorities.
These “therapists” need therapy themselves.
So do you
@@trinitygordan5270 nah boo you
🤣 yeah
@@juanestrada8597 shut up dude
@@jokashikoroi4236 you STFU
I actually feel sorry for those who say they are not gay and believe they ''fixed'' their sexuality. They must be really desperate and sad deep inside deluding themselves into thinking they're something they're not, suppressing their feelings that are just a part of who they are.
Feel sorry, feel concerned, feel empathy. Conversion therapies can be a form of brainwashing. No one can truly repress or cure their sexuality it's still there. I know many men who tried to repress their sexuality but never escaped it, never faced it, and it developed into affairs and unhealthy habits. Eventually they came out later in life often confusing their heterosexual style families. when people repress their homosexuality they affect more than themselves their dishonesty towards themselves can effect their families too.
Simona Omina They hide behind fear and never let themselves emerge from that. It's horrible. I'm so glad that these camps are now illegal
Serafini Gaunt They are not illegal. They are only illegal in certain places, the camps are still widely legal. And those people do emerge, it takes time I know that personally.
***** Well, at least somewhere it is illegal.
***** Ugh, really? I thought the US rid itself of these things. Well, in lighter news, the people that feel comfortable with themselves can get married in all 50 states now! :D
A bunch of dudes alone in the woods doesn't seem too straight.
Crazy, as a totally straight man I can only imagine that this would be exactly the same as if I was forced to undertake some wacko therapy that was supposed to convert me into a gay man.
Not really, you see, you would be surrounded by other streight guys, which you don't care about, but here, gays are surrounded by other gays, so let's just say it's even less effective
That's called San Francisco
You mean like taking crystal meth? lmao I've known several straight men who became, um, "heteroflexible" when they got high. We referred to them as methosexuals.
@@rossrobbins7707 Yeah I've got a buddy exactly the same, but him and the guys you are talking about are closet bi the meth just lowers their inhibitions and makes them horny enough to come sneaking out of the closet for a few hours, I was a meth addict and heavy user for more than 20 years, I regularly took doses of gear big enough to make a horse do backflips, but even when I was as fried as a piece of crispy bacon I always found the thought of gay sex very unappealing and a total turn off.
@@ats-3693 I'm also an ex-tweaker. Ex-heroin addict as well. I'm finally sober!
“Everyone’s heterosexual “ yeah ok and I’m a chihuahua 🙄
“Not homosexual... just a heterosexual man with a lot of issues.”
Tristan Neal that line made me so uncomfortable
yep, he was brainwashed
Isn't that what homosexuals are?
Just kidding...
Yeah that part made me feel so sad... I hope he one day accepts himself for who he is
he is so ignorant that he thinks being gay automatically means being feminine. if he had a functioning brain with an average iq level, he should've managed to understand that a gay person can be either masculine or feminine in his whole gay life which will change.
I'm bisexual and I didn't develope abnormally. Same sex attraction has been around since the dawn of man. Smh
Gracie Beauregard hey! Bi power 💖💜💙
Censorshipisreal Cham Having a bad day?
your so fucking ignorant commenting on every comment that agrees that gay isn't a choice. it's been proven your either born gay or straight or both. so either shut the fuck up, or stop watching you horrible piece of ground up shit.
Censorshipisreal Cham Nope I'm a virgin actually. However, I'm bi because for a long time I have felt drawn to both sexes (romantically and physically). We are all made different, although most people are straight, others are born bisexual or gay and can't change that about themselves.
I'm bi and this is kinda just fucking strange
Me too this pisses me off so fucking much
Brianna Wintren no happiness is amazing this puts us at risk into spiraling into depression because shocking the gay out of gays is very wrong
***** the shocking is
Censorshipisreal Cham your icon is a play doh container
Gay conversion camp, A.K.A 90's grindr.
lol this is golden
As a Aboriginal person, I find it offensive that they are trying to use some Aboriginal aspects and culture into their therapy, the Aboriginal culture is very accepting in the LGBT community, and we even have teachings and it's apart of our culture.
right? I'm Native and I was noticing that as well... I'm bisexual and my Native community has never treated me differently for it.
Calm down
99Rammstein99 no she doesn't have to calm down... she has the right to be frustrated.
***** #Triggered
That's nice. Maybe if we lived in a world where people didn't get "offended" at people doing something harmless we'd have a much less divided country and world?
"Relationships are short term"
Anyone can have short relationships
"They are more depressed"
Yes because people like him tell them they're unnatural and an abomination and should be ashamed of how they live
@Iwillpoundyourbooty Andlynchyou The troll is strong with this one
@Iwillpoundyourbooty Andlynchyou My BF is right. The username gives it away too easily my friend, but I give you props for trying ;)
@Iwillpoundyourbooty Andlynchyou That's cause having an argument with you would just be a bunch of religious debating that I don't feel like having. Besides, where's the fun in that?
@Obadiah Guyman shunning them will just cause them to get more depression and then thwy will end up killing themself bitch i am gay dont be saying its unnatural when you dont understand it
@Obadiah Guyman if everyone was straight the world would be overpopulated so thank us gay people for keeping the world balance :p
Why is this comments section pure gold
Because you're colourblind?
They call me Alf
I agree. Cigarettes are disgusting.
Some of the lines in the video are too?
"So the beanstock, is a giant penis?"
The magic beans around their necks?😂
Us Gays are funny
because gay being natural vs being a developmental problem is one of the biggest debates plaguing the nation
Sexuality is fixed. These practices are bogus.
@C2W83 what proof do you have of this?
@C2W83 I can say most straights are just gay but they repress it because they've been molested. It doesn't have evidence.
@@kempetai2099 you still have no scientific evidence
@C2W83 so would you
@cringe2win146most gays actually get abused by their parents AFTER coming out the closet, your argument is dumb af
I am a lesbian....... This made me sick. This made me physically sick. I was crying. This is horrid and sickening. Please, stop this. This is horrible.
Lillian T. I got sick too. My biggest brother is gay and I am trangender. I cannot stand this. you are who you are.
Nepeta Leijon
Trans boy or trans girl? You know what it doesn't even matter. If you were born a boy that doesn't mean you are a boy. You can be a girl on the inside, and vice-versa. It's sickens me that these conversion camps are legal.
Zodiac
So, it's a mental illness if you love your soulmate? I'm sorry, maybe I don't speak insensitive idiot, can you explain?
Lillian T. As much as I dislike Brendon Urie, I agree.
Ninjapants237
*heavy breathing* you are entitled to your opinion, you are entitled to your opinion, you are entitled to your opinion *leaves*
No wonder there is more depression and anxiety among homosexual people... When you're not allowed to accept yourself, that's what happens.
If you are homosexual, we accept you. Please forget about these people because there are so many of us who love you for who you are.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Rachel like imagine coming out to your parents for them to send u to this place to learn about jack and the bean stock😂
😧
You choose your lifestyle some people want to be a normal person and not have a dick in their ass what’s the problem in that?
you are right there is no problem with that you're free to do whatever you want, and so is everybody else.
Oh man I can't watch this without laughing. It's obvious most of these "therapists" are gay themselves.
Mili Seguel haha true
yeah the whole thing is a joke i think the camp isnt actually like this
Their goal (described around 5 minutes in) just makes me feel so sorry for everyone that works there and thinks this way. If someone is uncomfortable with who they are, the solution isn’t to change the person but to change their beliefs and perspectives. Trust me, not only is it easier to do, but it will also provide a much happier life in the long run. These guys must be so stuck in that mindset of wanting to change, I really hope the majority will learn to accept themselves one day. I just wanna give them a hug 😭
what kind of self-justifying awful place... just because you're preying on people who hate themselves for their sexuality doesn't make you moral. how bout teaching them to love themselves, that their homosexuality isn't a sin. that they are beautiful and perfect the way they are. you can't change someone's sexuality, all you can do is feed off of their own self hatred and make them suppress themselves in order to fit what you deem acceptable. guess what, they wouldn't hate themselves for their sexuality if they weren't told it's wrong.
i'm not athiest, i'm agnostic and was raised protestant christian. have you read the original texts written over a period of over a thousand years? written in several ancient forms of hebrew, greek, aramaic, and more? because i haven't. or are you, like everyone else, following the interpretations and teachings passed down through the centuries? through translators that both have limited fluency in the languages and have their own priorities to promote.
i am not against religion, but i do believe in considering your sources. the interpretation of the bible you have read and been exposed to has been through a game of telephone for millenia. use the teachings to bring warmth and meaning to your life, but take a moment to think about the hate you have been taught. love thy neighbor, there is only one lawgiver and judge, let he without sin cast the first stone.
many of the world's disagreements could be solved if people went back through the source of their hate. i would implore you to put a block of text into google translate and translate it between five or six languages and then back to english. then consider if some of the languages didn't even exist anymore, parts were written by different people, and in different languages. after fixing grammatical mistakes and logical fixes, there would be some miscommunications. consider the text "you shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." in the english standard version of leviticus 18:22. this is also translated as "and thou shalt not lie with mankind as one lieth with a woman: it is an abomination." in the darby bible translation. others still have come to think that the original text was not referencing to a man with a man at all, but rather to a man with a boy, condemning pedophilia. it's not a long shot to think that several layers of translations could change the word man to boy.
in the end the thing is, god loves. no one is free from sin, and to pick through chopped up words and use them to beat down others while ignoring ones that apply to you is just moronic. there are more definitive references to the sin of judgment and following false prophets than there are about homosexuality. don't resolve yourself to "that's just how it works". hate is bad enough, but to make someone hate themselves for the way they were born? based on stories passed down and translated for over a thousand years? something tells me god would not approve.
Chris Relhard I’m not even gonna bother reading this dudes stuff like we can debate but if you expect me to read all of that just to get your point you are sadly mistaken
alright, let me summarize. translations are prone to errors. the bible has been translated and rewritten for over a thousand years. not only this, but those translators had ambitions of their own. i am agnostic not athiest, and i believe that you should consider your sources for hate. using religion to bring meaning and happiness to your life is wonderful, scrapping together words to make someone hate themselves for how they were born and what they cannot change is bullshit. then capitalizing off of that hatred with a "cure" is true evil.
i also worry about your statement "that's just how it works" because it lacks deeper understanding.
"Homosexuality is not just a form of sex, it is a form of love, and it deserves our respect for that reason."
- Christopher Hitchens... RIP
I think the professor has a different view while the others are trying to find help
i love this quote
not really
Cringe
@@void7837 *Cronge*
Well their theatre performance was fabulous.
Tristan Neal that's the only ten these people are getting
Of course it is
But there were no musical numbers?!
Well they’re all gay
Tristan Neal FUCK LMAOOOOO
I’m Christian and I can firmly say that these camps should be considered a human rights violation and they’re also ironically sinful
We need police raids on these camps.
What sins are they commiting
@@noahblanco6105 Torturing children seems pretty sinful to me.
@@Duskbound in the video I didn't see that
@@noahblanco6105 it’s implied
So lemme get this straight, This guy's plan was to gather a bunch of gay men, and have them grab his magic beans? I aint sayin' nothin but...
this is by far, the best comment ever
Lucas Wismer aa AAA I see an orgy good point
I love how their method of 'converting' is by having a bunch of gay men spend an isolated weekend alone together LOLOL
Leah Fugere well they're not all going to screw each other. I'm sure you know that just because you're gay doesn't mean you like everyone you see.
*Doing musical theatre* 😂😂
I'm straight myself. But if I were gay it would be pretty neat to spend a weekend in a dorm with a bunch of other gay dudes. Get to do some theatre. Play games. It's like gay-only summer camp? I'd definitely stay gay so I could go back every year.
But it's not cool, this is one of the lighter camps. There are parents who will sign away their gay kid and "councilors" will take them away forcefully while the parents do nothing. They "look" okay so that straight parents sign their kid up for the promise of them coming back "fixed". Some of these parents are even told about the high suicide rates and they still agree.
And yes, suicide is high in these places. Kids can be there for months without any communication from family or friends unless it is about how they hope that the kid comes back straight. Kids are often ENCOURAGED to commit suicide of they don't "become straight".
It's not fun or a party, kids are beaten and starved and socially humiliated. If they survive they often have PTSD and can't form relationships with anyone, be it homosexual or heterosexual. These aren't "gay-only summer camps" most are sites of torture, manipulation, rape, and suicide.
Kiran Mulligan. I think the 86 people who liked my comment took it as the joke it was intended to be. If you think that I shouldn't joke about a serious topic, I counter that serious topics are the ones we need to have a sense of humor about. Otherwise the horrible, torturous and unfair nature of the world will overtake us, and that is the leading cause of suicide and depression. So although I'm aware this isn't some kind of LGBTQ holiday resort, I think it's important to have a sense of humor about these things. I like the idea that I might've brightened up the day of 80 people
Mr. Insanity you ain't gay shut up
Pikalil triggered over a joke?
Mr. Insanity ehh that's not really the point of the weekend. And the men do plenty of "manly" things too. Vice didn't want to show that though because it doesn't fit their narrative. Hiking, bonfires, rock climbing, zip line. I'm sure there's more. And the "theater" is more ceremony and positive initiation, which is common to all major brotherhoods throughout history.
Fun fact the bible does not say anything anti homosexuality and homophobic people just twist its words to support their ideas
The Bible is edited by people for a lot of generations. The Old Testament also supports child Marriage and slavery. Why do you think Slavery in America lasted for so long? RELIGIOUS BOOKS
@@feorgenotgloyd7624 Yep, religion is something that can be tampered with so badly to prove a fucked up narrative.
Lol nothing masculine about that little dinner theater production of jack in the bean stalk.
All their parents failed them. I came out to my family and everyone still loved me. I feel so bad for these guys. They would be so much more happy accepting themselves for being who they are rather than trying to change themselves. My fear is they stay in the closet for another 10 to 20 years which will make it so much harder to come out later in life. Do it now, if you can. Enjoy your youth to the fullest while you still have it.
Haha good for you, if I ever did that my parents would 100% disown me. As a child my mom used to find passages in the Bible about gay people being sinners and post them on the fridge. So there's my life... 😳.
@膣ジュード Thank you! ❤️
Brittany Owen I’ve already been disowned by the parents. Everyone else has been fully accepting
Fabian Pacheco
That’s really sad, as a parent you have responsibilities, and those responsibilities don’t end when your son or daughter comes out as gay.
They’ll end up dating women or men then eventually marrying them then they’ll become depressed because they’re forcing themselves to be straight which is sad.
I think those two men walking past at 5:11 are failing at this camp. haha.
Anja Fourie They are brothers.
Anja Fourie So sweet!
I'm a straight woman and what I see is a bunch of obvious gay guys ashamed of being gay leading a class about conversion. None of those instructors drool over the taco and that's okay; they're more the sausage type.
“I’ll give you these seeds” stop it 😂😂😂 this is too funny
Lol
A big bag full of seeds
Ones that cannot reproduce.
@@tombreckinridge6218 big ballbag full of tadpoles
That makes it sound worse somehow
I’m so sorry for anyone who has had this pushed into you. My heart goes out to you. You are not broken. There is not something wrong with you.
So true
GAY IS A BIOLOGICAL SEXUALITY THAT YOU CANNOT CHANGE. ACCEPT YOURSELF! ❤️
Dino velvet Bruh the millions of gay people in this world are proof 😂🤦♂️ Gay is just like being straight, although you’re attracted to the same sex. I mean...I could get my dick out of right now and show you that it gets erected when I see shirtless men. Is that the proof you’re looking for or are you wanting a bunch of scientific references?
noodles That’s nice Noodles but I don’t think ‘Pushed into you’ is the right wording. 😂
Dino velvet oh so you're one of THOSE people
I don't understand what they are trying to convert, you do not choose your sexuality and this is cruel, it should be illegal.
agree with you
"Everyone is heterosexual" girl i know you gay don't lie
Fr😭
Funnily enough if he would read the latest studies he would know I a hormonal, genetic and prenatal brain developmental thing instead of childhood development 🌈
But he a boy???