If you use Luna as a bow Knight you can equip mobility boots. That results is 6 movement. That is great in combination with move again. (3 steps in 3 steps out). If you have Ullrs Bow and use Heavensguards you can kite very easy with this
I would like to know if the emerald spear is a good option, it is also that 80% of life, I think that sometimes I could not have that 80% and it would be less magical def or
one thing to note about using griffon knights (or pegasi) on an Ullr-Bow Luna: Flyers have no range attack animation. That means they have that strange habit of not swooping in like normal when fighting at 2 tile range, they kinda fly in very slowly(like crossing 2 screens). That means, when you range attack archers, assassins or mages with Ullr's Bow at 2 tile range, your units get absolutely murdered on their way in, before they can even touch the opposing ranged units. If u want to engage ranged units with griffon knights, you have to basically melee them to get the usual 'swoop in' attack animation and you lose a lot of dmg, since bow-Luna herself gets her dmg reduced in melee attacks. That's also a reason why Heavensguard are better than griffon knights, they actually have a ranged animation (throwing swords), which means they can fight ranged units and at least get their attacks off, before they are taken out. Heavensguard might have disadvantage against lancers(and advantage against infantry), but at least they don't get annihilated before they are even able to deal dmg whenever fighting any ranged unit. Basically Ullr-Bow Luna with flyers has an incredible disadvantage whenever fighting any ranged unit(archers, mages, assassins). I think a lot of people who recommend griffon knight so highly on Ullr-Bow Luna don't even have ever tried these things out themselves and are just theorycrafting...
This comment is fascinating about the attack animation. Thanks Sopimaldaumen. This point is valid enough to make me seriously consider re-making this video.
@@Nitroglycerine when I got Ullr's bow, my thought process was exactly the same as yours: my cavalry tree was not build at all, my flyer tree was build very well. So lets use griffon knights, I thought. Until I attacked ranged troops for the first time: I thought "why is she dealing so little dmg and takes so much dmg in return? What is happening?" I turned off speed and put on fighting animation and saw what happens when you engage ranged units at 2-tile range. There is no problem at all when engaging non-ranged troops btw. Your griffon knights fly in slowly, but the opposing melee troops just stand there and don't counterattack at all. Just when you are fighting ranged units, your flyers get killed on their way in, before they can even engage, due to that weird "not swooping in" animation. On the issue of Bolt Rangers vs Demon Hunters: both units have their merits, the DH can lower defense and mobility. Unfortunately you cant get them to a 100%, I think the chance of getting the procc caps out at 80%. The def down procc is handy, 80% surely beats horror helmet/vampire mask and can be applied safely from 3 range distance. The mobility down procc is nice to disable guard and kiting around even high mobility enemies. Unfortunately, since its only an 80% procc chance, you cant really build your strategy around it in PvP/TT. The downside of DH, Luna remains extremely squishy. BR Luna can kite 3 range units just fine, the BR dmg reduction is 100% at lvl 10 and therefore reliable. Just as you pointed out, with good heart bond upgrades Luna can't be oneshot anymore by most enemies, which is great for PvP and also nice for PvE, since you can send her off to kill or attack something and she can tank a hit in return. Also BR have superior stats compared to DH, especially higher HP. Playing Luna with BR/DH compared to HG is a lot of quality of life. You can attack archers, they can't even retaliate, 3 range is really handy in general. HG deal way more dmg but require a lot more thinking and planning ahead, since you want them to move 3 tiles before attacking (just like chiv on Leon). It also devalues move again a bit, since when you windspiral you get the additional 3 tiles movement, which need to get used to move in to maximize dmg, therefore afterwards you cant reposition anymore. The weakness of HG to Lancers is also annoying, since Lancers are so hard to deal with, when you play the Altemuller, Leon, Luna combo.
@@sopimaldaumen6911 Yea, I'm aware of all these little quirks. The only one I wasn't aware of was the flyer attack animation at 2 range :). Luna is the rare case where almost every tier 3 soldier (except high elf with 3 mv) is actually useful, depending on map and enemies you face.
Sorry for bothering you this late (2 years after this vid). Do you think Luna (Ullr's bow) + elven cavalry soldiers + Altemuller's fb buff works? Thanks.
For PvE anything works. You'll have a decent 3 range attacker that way, although don't expect to one-shot high defense targets like lancers. For PvP, you just won't one-shot anyone in bow knight class with no ATK skill. She'll get stopped cold by any tank. You -might- have a chance against flyers like Ares but they melt to everything anyways.
Luna is one of my favorite heroes since I got her about a month ago. I managed to get Ullr's bow shortly after I unlocked her archer class, and now she is my only character with all maxed ideal ssr equipment. I agree that while Assault gear is nice for more damge, the Twilight gear is better for the situations where you cannot get away or get hit by an aoe. Heavensguard is only recommended if you have them maxed out and have Ullr's bow. At that point they are amazing as you crush anyone, including tanks, from 2 squares away, and then get away with move again.
Yea. I use twilight for the same reason. As for heavenguard, my argument is you can use Griffon Knights for the same role, for significantly less training ground resource commitment. It also requires far less training ground resource commitment (since everyone should have a high level Flyer training ground, whereas a high level archer/assasin ground may not be available). Finally, you don't need to force yourself to move 3 tiles when you attack, giving you more versatility in attack and retreat.
@@Nitroglycerine Griffon Knights are a solid beginning choice for archer Luna with Ullr's Bow before having maxed out training. But if you plan on using Luna later you will immediately want to work on Archer training for Demon Hunters, and potentially working on Cavalry for Heavensguard even further down the line. With Heavensguard you are playing a hit-and-run strategy (similar to how Leon plays). This means if you are having trouble moving Luna 3 spaces then you have likely been hit or are about to be hit. In those cases then any remaining Griffin Knights will not be useful since they require you to be at 80% health or higher for their bonus, whereas Heavensguard can help with a return strike. In any case, I originally said Heavensguard is only an option once universal Cavalry training is completely maxed out. Any unmaxed Cavalry is pretty bad when compared to Fliers at any decently trained level. Sorry for the late and long reply. Edit: just looked over other newer comments and found out about the awful flyer swooping animation. That makes fliers even worse for archer Luna against ranged units.
@@connorhamilton5707 Agreed on all counts. I updated the video description a few days ago for that very reason. I thought about re-making this video, but I felt I'd be better off using my time on more Time Rift and other character videos instead.
You do not crush any real pvp tank like landius or ledin with Luna far from it. You'll barley harm then if you're lucky. Mages dominate pvp and real time arena its hard to actually pull decent groups together without someone important being instantly removed to stop it. Meaning any heroe who has many good faction choices are useful. Luna has princess not the best pvp setting origin of light um probably not. Then her third is tactical mastery her most useful faction overall I'd say. Having characters like alte leon and lanford. But after that the rest quite suffer. So some princess units and tactical mastery could make a good real time pvp group if you use her. But removing alte really hurts that idea quite quickly needing her princess buff and making others less useful. Lanford has tactical mastery yes and leon doesn't technically need it. Princess wise perhaps the twins shelfainel seems best and then liana and lana.
What are your opinion on here secret realm room special gear? It looks pretty good and I’m hoping to get her on the current banner. I’m new and have been playing for close to a month
Decent, as it improves wind god realm 3c range by 1. But it is not a top tier or high priority to get, since: - the 3c only unlocks at lv70. - It is easily replaced by a king's crown
Personally I prefer the Demon Hunter unit over Bolt Ranger as a bow knight Luna. The Demon hunter has a chance to debuff the enemy with mobility down (-2)/def break (-20%) before the attack, which seems like a better use of a skill to me than the bolt ranger. Granted in order for it to be even somewhat consistent you'll need to upgrade the demon hunters right now mine are at level 6 giving her a 55% chance and I think it maxes out at 75%.
Very fair. Certainly a very reasonable unit choice, and arguably a better one than the Bolt Ranger. They function in different roles Demon Hunter - better for princess players who use Ledin as a tank. Bolt Ranger - better for strategist players whose tanks don't guard against magic attack. Thus Luna will occasionally take mage attacks.
Just wanted to add some things as someone who's been using Luna from the start and who's read a lot of discussion and mathematical analysis about her. Regarding soldiers, Bolt Rangers should only really be picked if you're using the Extreme Magic Bow on Luna. Since she's a glass cannon attacker, she really shouldn't be receiving attacks and as such, units that are purely defensives like the Bolt Rangers aren't optimal. If she's going to use ranged soldiers, she's better with the Demon Hunters, since they give her a chance to reduce enemy movement and defenses before she deals her damage, allowing her to stop tanks from guarding while softening them up. And while you disregarded the Holy Pegasus, they're considered her best endgame soldiers. Endgame Luna is a monstrous damage dealer and the pegasi's damage reduction on attack help make up for her hero boost not giving HP or Def. An attack Blessed Pega Luna with Holy Pegasus and Attack Blessing pretty much takes no damage while attacking while dishing out tons of damage. Something else I wanted to mention is SR gear for Luna. The oak helm and suit are actually the best DPS armor for her since they give the highest amount of MDef of all her armor choices, even when considering SSR gear. The emerald lance is also a good choice for her as a pegasus if you lack the Cursed Lance. Finally, just wanted to mention that Luna's best enchantment are 2+2 blue enchants to maximize MDef, though some longtime players in CN opt to give her one of the yellow enchants late game when her MDef is high enough to increase her crit chances.
Some good points LuxSpes. There are certainly tons of elements to Luna. I agree I am seeing things from a purely PvE F2P perspective, but I think a few points to bring up are. 1. Lv50 SSRs + heart bond lv10 reduce her survivability issues pretty dramatically. This also makes me truly hate the oak helm / oak suit setup since you give up way too much HP for it. And have to waste enchant scrolls on that SR gear set. I just can't imagine that set being really good for say... Phoenix or Leviar 65. Although it's possible I'm wrong here. 2. Maybe I'm totally off here, but I always thought of Bolt Rangers strategist Luna where she uses Snipe + Wind Spiral + Gale or Move Again, where her goal is to 1-shot targets. I've always felt that Demon Hunters were rather useless given your goal is to KILL targets in 1 hit, not leave them alive. Also the reason I support Bolt Rangers is because I was chatting with strategist players, whose tank (Vargas or Altemuller) do not guard against mages. Which means Luna will take (and counterattack) against the mage attacks, which is where the Bolt rangers come into play. 3. Ok, I can see using Holy Pegasus 50% damage reduction if you're using a Pegasus Luna rather than Bow Knight Luna for the Griffons +30% ATK & DEF. Do people really prefer a Pegasus Luna over a Bow Knight Luna as the final form? That just seems bizarre to me.
@@Nitroglycerine 1. I mostly mentioned the Oak armor for intermediary SR gear people can use while they're not level 60 and lack SSR alternatives, though I remember reading that the added DPS and extra MDef allowed some lower level playera to beat level 65 Ice Dragon. Something else I remebered about the gear is that the King's Crown is considered pretty good on Luna, especially on a princess team, since it gives her some MDef and allows her to buff her teammates. Luna is usually more of a support DPS on princess teams since she needs to carry her buff instead of a damage skill. 2. At one point, especially on CN with stuff like SSS TT where you face level 70 enemies, one shotting becomes extremely hard and as such, Demon Hunters allows you to safely attack enemies from 3 range, soften them up with the defense down debuff and makes it easier for you to kite enemies with the mov down debuff. These things are also useful for players who arent quite strong enough to one shot everything yet. I think some of our differences in opinions might come from how we approach Luna in 2 distinct ways. You're already level 60 with a fully built team, so you want to get Luna up to speed with your current team while having access to all the top level secret realm to get her high end gear. Meanwhile, I got Luna when I was level 20 and I'm still at a point where none of my units can one shot enemies in things like SS TTs, so I have to rely on weakening my enemies, which is where Demon Hunters shine the most. 3. I think the reason why her Pegasus form is preferred in the long run is that her damage potential is much higher as a pegasus. Ullr's bow reduces your damage by 10%, Bow Master has less MDef than Pegasus and as you noted in your video, her pegasus bond passives are much better. A fully built pega luna can apparently reach higher level of attack than Leon thanks to her Mdef conversion, while taking minimal damage with the help of the Holy Pegasus. She's apprently also popular in CN arena as a Landius slayer if you give her Peacemaker to nullify his resurrection passive.
King's Crown is the best head gear for Luna. She can proc the buff on 2 units in one round with wind spiral and it's only like 3% less magic defense than twilight helm. It really enhances her role as a support character, especially as a mobile ranged unit.
Usually considered to be either: - Meteor - 2x Blues for +10% DEF and MDEF. You'll be aiming for max MDEF, so 5% wpn, 15% on armor and helm, and 10% on accessory. Some HP enchants would also really help.
still confuse about make luna to bow master or pegasus master first, cuz i save my rune stone for my other character, i know the stats from other class are quite increase her stat but what should i prioritize first? Bow master or pegasus master?
Generally, from what I've seen, Pegasus Master as most of her main skills comes from that line. Although by now I bet you've figured which class to go for so this comment doesn't help much. I've been saving up for Luna for a while and I hope she comes soon because I can open up two main teams I've always wanted to use.
Just a couple of things that I want to point out that others have shared with me about Luna. Heavensguard are really strong with alte fbuff due to mobility fixes if you aren't worried about type adv. Where they really shine though, is Ullrs bow provides extra range allowing heavensguard to deal heavy ranged dmg
Right. My argument is you can use Griffon Knights for the same role. It also requires far less training ground resource commitment (since everyone should have a high level Flyer training ground, whereas a high level archer/assasin ground may not be available). Finally, you don't need to force yourself to move 3 tiles when you attack, giving you more versatility in attack and retreat.
heavensguard is good for the type advantage even though calvary training ground is the worst but she shouldn't be using melee units at all when she has access to ranged units...
I see both, but Pegasus Luna is more common, because of high damage output. But I do notice that in PvE content, many times a bow luna would make life easier, since she can kite easily.
I used Ullr's bow, oak jacket(until assault stacks), assault headgear, and veil of light for my equipment with the meteor enchant. The 2+2 is probably better, but I get so many meteor enchants, it was easy to get some good rolls on them. I use demon hunter units for the debuff and attacking at range 3. This lets her disable guard on a tank or destroy mages/flyers without any retaliation. I tried to run the griffons and heavensguard, but they just fit my play style in how I use Luna.
i’m a player from sea, i was thinking about building her solely for the purpose of ice dragon level 55 current team is bozel tiaris liana ledin and leon. dont have lana. i’m missing 65k damage to finish off ice dragon and complete 55 solo. is it worth it ?
nITRO, IF YOU DONT HAVE CURSED LANCE, THEN Blue star is just as good as cursed lance albeit it requires 3 movement which is usually possible for flying unit
Full moon is a complete waste on Luna. The Int and Atk buff are absolutely useless on her, which means all it does is increase her Def and MDef by 10% when she's above 80% HP. 2+2 blue enchant already gives you that withouth the Hp requirement. However, when her MDef is high enough (decent bond investment and all SSR gear), switching to Meteor is the best way to increase your damage.
Yes it does, via the class mastery bonuses. gyazo.com/07aa5c122ae5a32b7f0d57078c0c1490 So Bow Knight would be worth 80HP, 5 MDEF Bow master is another 150HP, 15ATK, 10 MDEF. The 230HP, 15MDEF might not seem that much, but these values then get affected by all those Bond percentages, and equipment percentages. With that, it can add up to quite a bit.
i think it isnt a random. been playing it for some time now and i only got 2 of them. so i thought maybe they were drops from a specific stage that i havent been doing for some time.
@@creestee08 several gates of fate give guaranteed boots. The only one I recall is Lester though. Other than that, events, random accessory boxes, and aniki lotto random sr can be a speed boot. There might be a chapter treasure that gives speed boots too. Been too long since I did those hahaha
Using Bow Knight Luna, Demon Hunters, Wind Spiral, Move Again and either faction buff or Snipe (especially if map has flyers). Move up to range, Wind Spiral, attack, Demon Hunters debuff mobility, move again lets you back up 3 spaces (so even if Demon Hunter debuff didn't work, a melee unit can't catch you). She is a perfect Hit&Run unit. Bolt Rangers are completely useless in PVE (as you don't use Luna for tanking) and in PVP you probably want Demon Hunters as well as Movement Debuff also deactivates Guard. I don't see a use for Bolt Rangers at all.
Ok. I see where the difference is coming from. The reason I support Bolt Rangers is because I was chatting with strategist players, whose tank (Vargas or Altemuller) do not guard against mages. Which means Luna will take (and counterattack) against the mage attacks, which is where the Bolt rangers come into play.
Somehow I don't see a scenario in which the enemy uses a mage to single target attack Luna (with 700+ mdef) while there is a Vargas or Altemuller on the field as too likely. Maybe if you use Extreme Magic Bow together with Bolt Rangers to bait an enemy Cherie into attacking. If such a Luna could kill Cherie on the counterattack that would almost always guarantee a win.
If you mean her gear and enchantments, then no. Luna is unique as far as physical damage dealers are concerned in that she wants to get her Mdef as high as possible because Wind Spiral replaces her Atk with 1.5× her Mdef. Cherie doesn't have that, so for her yoy want to prioritize atk.
Do you have the assault suit and assault helmet equiped for Luna? Nice chatting with you today, let me know if an active pvp leaves your friend List- Lance :)
What’s wrong with my Luna, she’s 4* archer with 4415 total power 40/40 ulirs bow 40/40 assault suit 50/50 oaks crown 20/20 winged shin guards 10/10/10/0/0 bond With level 9 heavens guard Every target I attack only ever deals 2000~4000 maximum Using move again wind spiral and faction buff
mark niblock winged shins guard, you need an accessory that increases magic defense. Also assault suit isn’t the best for her. You need twilight armor.
1. Winged Shin guards doesn't increase MDEF. ATK is useless to her. You need a veil of light, or else speed boots at level 50. 2. How's her bonds, especially heart bond? You really need her 2nd, 4th, and Heart bond upgraded to maximize her MDEF (which then increases her attack value). 3. If you use Heavensguard, you need to attack at 2 range, so the Heavensguard attack. If you attack at 3 range, only Luna will attack.
@@Nitroglycerine which almost makes that extra troop range moot in any real pvp or or pve setting. Heavens guard are really not a good choice even with ultra bow. Demon hunter or bolt rangers definitely are the better option as a bow knight. Flier class is used a ton endgame pve. Guess bowknight is more pvp based and by then in normal arena just double or triple aoe and mop up. In real time pvp let's be honest people dont allow any deadly combination unless you are able to mix two together without any major weak point. Heavnsgaurd I'll pass on still for pvp.
@@yulfine1688 pvp Luna is usually pegasus for the 1 shot potential which bow knight lacks. If you can't 1 shot, the enemy usually gets to heal it all away. Which makes it a wasted move. Ullr's bow Luna is actually more favorable for pve, such as timeless trial last week (sss final battle) and even a lot of the challenges in trails in time sc
@@Nitroglycerine yeah but you could just double aoe and wipe everything off the map basically in one turn outside of real time. I mean there are definitely units that hinder that combo but it works most of the time and you can see what they have unit wise before attacking so meh. I just find the way the game functions that Luna is not useful in pvp much. In pve I'd say her flyer class is better in a lot of challenges and other content. Bow knight seems like it exists. They dont really work well together if you ask me and since bow options are minimal. Meh. Double class mastery for pve challenges and such.
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If you use Luna as a bow Knight you can equip mobility boots. That results is 6 movement. That is great in combination with move again. (3 steps in 3 steps out). If you have Ullrs Bow and use Heavensguards you can kite very easy with this
On additional note, ullrs bow does not affect skill range, therefore you can't use snipe at 3 range.
Yeah but luna doesn't used skill range, she usually use wind spiral, movement passive skill and faction buff, literally luna only use normal attack
Thank you for making this video. There are no good guides for her until now. I wanted to use her cause I got her to 5* when pulling for Tiaris.
I would like to know if the emerald spear is a good option, it is also that 80% of life, I think that sometimes I could not have that 80% and it would be less magical def or
Yes some people use that for flyer Lunas to get the +15% MDEF.
one thing to note about using griffon knights (or pegasi) on an Ullr-Bow Luna:
Flyers have no range attack animation. That means they have that strange habit of not swooping in like normal when fighting at 2 tile range, they kinda fly in very slowly(like crossing 2 screens). That means, when you range attack archers, assassins or mages with Ullr's Bow at 2 tile range, your units get absolutely murdered on their way in, before they can even touch the opposing ranged units. If u want to engage ranged units with griffon knights, you have to basically melee them to get the usual 'swoop in' attack animation and you lose a lot of dmg, since bow-Luna herself gets her dmg reduced in melee attacks.
That's also a reason why Heavensguard are better than griffon knights, they actually have a ranged animation (throwing swords), which means they can fight ranged units and at least get their attacks off, before they are taken out.
Heavensguard might have disadvantage against lancers(and advantage against infantry), but at least they don't get annihilated before they are even able to deal dmg whenever fighting any ranged unit. Basically Ullr-Bow Luna with flyers has an incredible disadvantage whenever fighting any ranged unit(archers, mages, assassins). I think a lot of people who recommend griffon knight so highly on Ullr-Bow Luna don't even have ever tried these things out themselves and are just theorycrafting...
This comment is fascinating about the attack animation. Thanks Sopimaldaumen.
This point is valid enough to make me seriously consider re-making this video.
@@Nitroglycerine when I got Ullr's bow, my thought process was exactly the same as yours: my cavalry tree was not build at all, my flyer tree was build very well. So lets use griffon knights, I thought. Until I attacked ranged troops for the first time: I thought "why is she dealing so little dmg and takes so much dmg in return? What is happening?"
I turned off speed and put on fighting animation and saw what happens when you engage ranged units at 2-tile range.
There is no problem at all when engaging non-ranged troops btw. Your griffon knights fly in slowly, but the opposing melee troops just stand there and don't counterattack at all. Just when you are fighting ranged units, your flyers get killed on their way in, before they can even engage, due to that weird "not swooping in" animation.
On the issue of Bolt Rangers vs Demon Hunters: both units have their merits, the DH can lower defense and mobility. Unfortunately you cant get them to a 100%, I think the chance of getting the procc caps out at 80%. The def down procc is handy, 80% surely beats horror helmet/vampire mask and can be applied safely from 3 range distance. The mobility down procc is nice to disable guard and kiting around even high mobility enemies. Unfortunately, since its only an 80% procc chance, you cant really build your strategy around it in PvP/TT. The downside of DH, Luna remains extremely squishy.
BR Luna can kite 3 range units just fine, the BR dmg reduction is 100% at lvl 10 and therefore reliable. Just as you pointed out, with good heart bond upgrades Luna can't be oneshot anymore by most enemies, which is great for PvP and also nice for PvE, since you can send her off to kill or attack something and she can tank a hit in return. Also BR have superior stats compared to DH, especially higher HP.
Playing Luna with BR/DH compared to HG is a lot of quality of life. You can attack archers, they can't even retaliate, 3 range is really handy in general. HG deal way more dmg but require a lot more thinking and planning ahead, since you want them to move 3 tiles before attacking (just like chiv on Leon). It also devalues move again a bit, since when you windspiral you get the additional 3 tiles movement, which need to get used to move in to maximize dmg, therefore afterwards you cant reposition anymore. The weakness of HG to Lancers is also annoying, since Lancers are so hard to deal with, when you play the Altemuller, Leon, Luna combo.
@@sopimaldaumen6911 Yea, I'm aware of all these little quirks. The only one I wasn't aware of was the flyer attack animation at 2 range :).
Luna is the rare case where almost every tier 3 soldier (except high elf with 3 mv) is actually useful, depending on map and enemies you face.
Sorry for bothering you this late (2 years after this vid). Do you think Luna (Ullr's bow) + elven cavalry soldiers + Altemuller's fb buff works? Thanks.
For PvE anything works.
You'll have a decent 3 range attacker that way, although don't expect to one-shot high defense targets like lancers.
For PvP, you just won't one-shot anyone in bow knight class with no ATK skill. She'll get stopped cold by any tank. You -might- have a chance against flyers like Ares but they melt to everything anyways.
Luna is one of my favorite heroes since I got her about a month ago. I managed to get Ullr's bow shortly after I unlocked her archer class, and now she is my only character with all maxed ideal ssr equipment.
I agree that while Assault gear is nice for more damge, the Twilight gear is better for the situations where you cannot get away or get hit by an aoe.
Heavensguard is only recommended if you have them maxed out and have Ullr's bow. At that point they are amazing as you crush anyone, including tanks, from 2 squares away, and then get away with move again.
Yea. I use twilight for the same reason.
As for heavenguard, my argument is you can use Griffon Knights for the same role, for significantly less training ground resource commitment. It also requires far less training ground resource commitment (since everyone should have a high level Flyer training ground, whereas a high level archer/assasin ground may not be available).
Finally, you don't need to force yourself to move 3 tiles when you attack, giving you more versatility in attack and retreat.
@@Nitroglycerine Griffon Knights are a solid beginning choice for archer Luna with Ullr's Bow before having maxed out training. But if you plan on using Luna later you will immediately want to work on Archer training for Demon Hunters, and potentially working on Cavalry for Heavensguard even further down the line.
With Heavensguard you are playing a hit-and-run strategy (similar to how Leon plays). This means if you are having trouble moving Luna 3 spaces then you have likely been hit or are about to be hit. In those cases then any remaining Griffin Knights will not be useful since they require you to be at 80% health or higher for their bonus, whereas Heavensguard can help with a return strike.
In any case, I originally said Heavensguard is only an option once universal Cavalry training is completely maxed out. Any unmaxed Cavalry is pretty bad when compared to Fliers at any decently trained level.
Sorry for the late and long reply.
Edit: just looked over other newer comments and found out about the awful flyer swooping animation. That makes fliers even worse for archer Luna against ranged units.
@@connorhamilton5707 Agreed on all counts. I updated the video description a few days ago for that very reason. I thought about re-making this video, but I felt I'd be better off using my time on more Time Rift and other character videos instead.
You do not crush any real pvp tank like landius or ledin with Luna far from it. You'll barley harm then if you're lucky. Mages dominate pvp and real time arena its hard to actually pull decent groups together without someone important being instantly removed to stop it. Meaning any heroe who has many good faction choices are useful. Luna has princess not the best pvp setting origin of light um probably not. Then her third is tactical mastery her most useful faction overall I'd say. Having characters like alte leon and lanford. But after that the rest quite suffer. So some princess units and tactical mastery could make a good real time pvp group if you use her. But removing alte really hurts that idea quite quickly needing her princess buff and making others less useful. Lanford has tactical mastery yes and leon doesn't technically need it. Princess wise perhaps the twins shelfainel seems best and then liana and lana.
What are your opinion on here secret realm room special gear? It looks pretty good and I’m hoping to get her on the current banner. I’m new and have been playing for close to a month
Decent, as it improves wind god realm 3c range by 1.
But it is not a top tier or high priority to get, since:
- the 3c only unlocks at lv70.
- It is easily replaced by a king's crown
@@Nitroglycerine you the man nitro! Thanks for replying and the amazing videos!
Personally I prefer the Demon Hunter unit over Bolt Ranger as a bow knight Luna. The Demon hunter has a chance to debuff the enemy with mobility down (-2)/def break (-20%) before the attack, which seems like a better use of a skill to me than the bolt ranger. Granted in order for it to be even somewhat consistent you'll need to upgrade the demon hunters right now mine are at level 6 giving her a 55% chance and I think it maxes out at 75%.
Very fair. Certainly a very reasonable unit choice, and arguably a better one than the Bolt Ranger.
They function in different roles
Demon Hunter - better for princess players who use Ledin as a tank.
Bolt Ranger - better for strategist players whose tanks don't guard against magic attack. Thus Luna will occasionally take mage attacks.
Just wanted to add some things as someone who's been using Luna from the start and who's read a lot of discussion and mathematical analysis about her. Regarding soldiers, Bolt Rangers should only really be picked if you're using the Extreme Magic Bow on Luna. Since she's a glass cannon attacker, she really shouldn't be receiving attacks and as such, units that are purely defensives like the Bolt Rangers aren't optimal. If she's going to use ranged soldiers, she's better with the Demon Hunters, since they give her a chance to reduce enemy movement and defenses before she deals her damage, allowing her to stop tanks from guarding while softening them up. And while you disregarded the Holy Pegasus, they're considered her best endgame soldiers. Endgame Luna is a monstrous damage dealer and the pegasi's damage reduction on attack help make up for her hero boost not giving HP or Def. An attack Blessed Pega Luna with Holy Pegasus and Attack Blessing pretty much takes no damage while attacking while dishing out tons of damage.
Something else I wanted to mention is SR gear for Luna. The oak helm and suit are actually the best DPS armor for her since they give the highest amount of MDef of all her armor choices, even when considering SSR gear. The emerald lance is also a good choice for her as a pegasus if you lack the Cursed Lance.
Finally, just wanted to mention that Luna's best enchantment are 2+2 blue enchants to maximize MDef, though some longtime players in CN opt to give her one of the yellow enchants late game when her MDef is high enough to increase her crit chances.
I was going to ask about the crit enchant, at what point is it suggested to switch enchants to crit, and which of the two, meteor or blazing sun?
Some good points LuxSpes.
There are certainly tons of elements to Luna. I agree I am seeing things from a purely PvE F2P perspective, but I think a few points to bring up are.
1. Lv50 SSRs + heart bond lv10 reduce her survivability issues pretty dramatically. This also makes me truly hate the oak helm / oak suit setup since you give up way too much HP for it. And have to waste enchant scrolls on that SR gear set. I just can't imagine that set being really good for say... Phoenix or Leviar 65. Although it's possible I'm wrong here.
2. Maybe I'm totally off here, but I always thought of Bolt Rangers strategist Luna where she uses Snipe + Wind Spiral + Gale or Move Again, where her goal is to 1-shot targets. I've always felt that Demon Hunters were rather useless given your goal is to KILL targets in 1 hit, not leave them alive. Also the reason I support Bolt Rangers is because I was chatting with strategist players, whose tank (Vargas or Altemuller) do not guard against mages. Which means Luna will take (and counterattack) against the mage attacks, which is where the Bolt rangers come into play.
3. Ok, I can see using Holy Pegasus 50% damage reduction if you're using a Pegasus Luna rather than Bow Knight Luna for the Griffons +30% ATK & DEF. Do people really prefer a Pegasus Luna over a Bow Knight Luna as the final form? That just seems bizarre to me.
@@WarStorm93 Meteor is apparently the better of the 2. It gives 20% damage increase against units who have 60% or more HP.
@@Nitroglycerine 1. I mostly mentioned the Oak armor for intermediary SR gear people can use while they're not level 60 and lack SSR alternatives, though I remember reading that the added DPS and extra MDef allowed some lower level playera to beat level 65 Ice Dragon. Something else I remebered about the gear is that the King's Crown is considered pretty good on Luna, especially on a princess team, since it gives her some MDef and allows her to buff her teammates. Luna is usually more of a support DPS on princess teams since she needs to carry her buff instead of a damage skill.
2. At one point, especially on CN with stuff like SSS TT where you face level 70 enemies, one shotting becomes extremely hard and as such, Demon Hunters allows you to safely attack enemies from 3 range, soften them up with the defense down debuff and makes it easier for you to kite enemies with the mov down debuff. These things are also useful for players who arent quite strong enough to one shot everything yet. I think some of our differences in opinions might come from how we approach Luna in 2 distinct ways. You're already level 60 with a fully built team, so you want to get Luna up to speed with your current team while having access to all the top level secret realm to get her high end gear. Meanwhile, I got Luna when I was level 20 and I'm still at a point where none of my units can one shot enemies in things like SS TTs, so I have to rely on weakening my enemies, which is where Demon Hunters shine the most.
3. I think the reason why her Pegasus form is preferred in the long run is that her damage potential is much higher as a pegasus. Ullr's bow reduces your damage by 10%, Bow Master has less MDef than Pegasus and as you noted in your video, her pegasus bond passives are much better. A fully built pega luna can apparently reach higher level of attack than Leon thanks to her Mdef conversion, while taking minimal damage with the help of the Holy Pegasus. She's apprently also popular in CN arena as a Landius slayer if you give her Peacemaker to nullify his resurrection passive.
are you saying endgame gear is oak? can't be right? usually assault or twilight or a mix I thought
King's Crown is the best head gear for Luna. She can proc the buff on 2 units in one round with wind spiral and it's only like 3% less magic defense than twilight helm. It really enhances her role as a support character, especially as a mobile ranged unit.
Hi Nitro! You not talking about equipment enchantement, just wanna know which is better enchant for Luna Bow Master? Please. Thanks
Usually considered to be either:
- Meteor
- 2x Blues for +10% DEF and MDEF.
You'll be aiming for max MDEF, so 5% wpn, 15% on armor and helm, and 10% on accessory.
Some HP enchants would also really help.
still confuse about make luna to bow master or pegasus master first, cuz i save my rune stone for my other character, i know the stats from other class are quite increase her stat but what should i prioritize first? Bow master or pegasus master?
Generally, from what I've seen, Pegasus Master as most of her main skills comes from that line. Although by now I bet you've figured which class to go for so this comment doesn't help much. I've been saving up for Luna for a while and I hope she comes soon because I can open up two main teams I've always wanted to use.
Just a couple of things that I want to point out that others have shared with me about Luna. Heavensguard are really strong with alte fbuff due to mobility fixes if you aren't worried about type adv. Where they really shine though, is Ullrs bow provides extra range allowing heavensguard to deal heavy ranged dmg
Right. My argument is you can use Griffon Knights for the same role. It also requires far less training ground resource commitment (since everyone should have a high level Flyer training ground, whereas a high level archer/assasin ground may not be available).
Finally, you don't need to force yourself to move 3 tiles when you attack, giving you more versatility in attack and retreat.
heavensguard is good for the type advantage even though calvary training ground is the worst but she shouldn't be using melee units at all when she has access to ranged units...
Anyone know if the bug, with assault armor and helmet not stacking like they should, is still present?
It's not anymore, on international.
Demon hunters best troops for Luna FYI
And meteor rune for burst damage
Hei. Im confused with luna after awakening patch her best job pegasus or bow with ulr?
I see both, but Pegasus Luna is more common, because of high damage output.
But I do notice that in PvE content, many times a bow luna would make life easier, since she can kite easily.
Hnmm. Pegasus luna for pvp? And bow for pve? I just have 1 ulr . For luna or omega... That why im confused. Let luna on pegasus or bow. :D
I used Ullr's bow, oak jacket(until assault stacks), assault headgear, and veil of light for my equipment with the meteor enchant. The 2+2 is probably better, but I get so many meteor enchants, it was easy to get some good rolls on them. I use demon hunter units for the debuff and attacking at range 3. This lets her disable guard on a tank or destroy mages/flyers without any retaliation. I tried to run the griffons and heavensguard, but they just fit my play style in how I use Luna.
Yea, that's fair, and I can certainly see it working that way.
Is there a point upgrading her 5th bond? I think it just against the omega skill ignoring guard
yep basically.
Nitroglycerine as of now, what s your build on luna?
Does wind spiral replace atk with 1.5 mdef or add 1.5mdef to attack? Asking so I dont waste bond mats 9n her atk,int,skill bond
Replaces her ATK. Just like how Bozel's & Listell's INT are replaced.
I only have Extreme Magic Bow. Just have to work with it.
Thanks for mention that bug nice Guide as always
I must be doing something really wrong with Luna. Everyone talks about how great she is, but mine is weak as hell.
she's a pretty simple build though. Maximize her MDEF by enchanting like crazy, and then watch her crush things.
i’m a player from sea, i was thinking about building her solely for the purpose of ice dragon level 55
current team is bozel tiaris liana ledin and leon. dont have lana. i’m missing 65k damage to finish off ice dragon and complete 55 solo.
is it worth it ?
yes. Luna has use in a lot of challenge battles later, due to her MDAM reduction talent.
Nitroglycerine can you give me tips on how to use her in ice dragon?
@@nf7999 She can range attack as a bow knight? Due to high MDEF and talent she tanks the hits and retaliate.
Nitroglycerine and since i'm heavily invested in flyer type i should go and use griffon knight right?will that be also effective in ice dragon
Nitroglycerine or is it better just to invest in chris i have her at 4*
What stays are you rolling for on enchants?
max MDEF of course.
HP and DEF are a bonus for survival, but you want MDEF MDEF MDEF.
nITRO, IF YOU DONT HAVE CURSED LANCE, THEN Blue star is just as good as cursed lance albeit it requires 3 movement which is usually possible for flying unit
Are you meaning 2 enchant with +mdef is better than 4 enchant full moon?
Well, you don't have that many full moon enchant scrolls to use on Luna in addition to all your other characters.
Full moon is a complete waste on Luna. The Int and Atk buff are absolutely useless on her, which means all it does is increase her Def and MDef by 10% when she's above 80% HP. 2+2 blue enchant already gives you that withouth the Hp requirement. However, when her MDef is high enough (decent bond investment and all SSR gear), switching to Meteor is the best way to increase your damage.
Wait, so using rune stones and having two masteries gives overall more stats? I thought the stat bonuses only applied to the current class.
Yes it does, via the class mastery bonuses.
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So Bow Knight would be worth 80HP, 5 MDEF
Bow master is another 150HP, 15ATK, 10 MDEF.
The 230HP, 15MDEF might not seem that much, but these values then get affected by all those Bond percentages, and equipment percentages. With that, it can add up to quite a bit.
where can we get mobility boots?
IRCC, Lester's gate of fate 5 gives you one.
Other than that... random accessory boxes and such?
i think it isnt a random. been playing it for some time now and i only got 2 of them. so i thought maybe they were drops from a specific stage that i havent been doing for some time.
@@creestee08 several gates of fate give guaranteed boots. The only one I recall is Lester though.
Other than that, events, random accessory boxes, and aniki lotto random sr can be a speed boot.
There might be a chapter treasure that gives speed boots too. Been too long since I did those hahaha
thanks a lot. will do that.
Thank you
waait.. upgrading to a different class you keep the stat buffs??
You keep class mastery bonuses. They may seem minor, but it adds up due to being affected by enchants, bond percentages, and faction buff.
👍 for the thumbnail
But also thanks for the advice.
Using Bow Knight Luna, Demon Hunters, Wind Spiral, Move Again and either faction buff or Snipe (especially if map has flyers). Move up to range, Wind Spiral, attack, Demon Hunters debuff mobility, move again lets you back up 3 spaces (so even if Demon Hunter debuff didn't work, a melee unit can't catch you). She is a perfect Hit&Run unit. Bolt Rangers are completely useless in PVE (as you don't use Luna for tanking) and in PVP you probably want Demon Hunters as well as Movement Debuff also deactivates Guard. I don't see a use for Bolt Rangers at all.
Ok. I see where the difference is coming from. The reason I support Bolt Rangers is because I was chatting with strategist players, whose tank (Vargas or Altemuller) do not guard against mages. Which means Luna will take (and counterattack) against the mage attacks, which is where the Bolt rangers come into play.
Somehow I don't see a scenario in which the enemy uses a mage to single target attack Luna (with 700+ mdef) while there is a Vargas or Altemuller on the field as too likely. Maybe if you use Extreme Magic Bow together with Bolt Rangers to bait an enemy Cherie into attacking. If such a Luna could kill Cherie on the counterattack that would almost always guarantee a win.
@@yaldabaoth2 I am talking about PvE rather than PvP haha
can her set work with Cherie?
If you mean her gear and enchantments, then no. Luna is unique as far as physical damage dealers are concerned in that she wants to get her Mdef as high as possible because Wind Spiral replaces her Atk with 1.5× her Mdef. Cherie doesn't have that, so for her yoy want to prioritize atk.
@@Sarantserel i see thanks!
Luna
What about using rough seas as enchant on Luna?
Her ATK is defined by her MDEF. Rough Seas will do nothing for you. Unless you do a non-Wind Spiral build for some reason.
Is the assault suit still bugged?
Presumably, no. However, I can't test it because I never built an assault suit hahaha.
Do you have the assault suit and assault helmet equiped for Luna? Nice chatting with you today, let me know if an active pvp leaves your friend List- Lance :)
What’s wrong with my Luna, she’s 4* archer with 4415 total power
40/40 ulirs bow
40/40 assault suit
50/50 oaks crown
20/20 winged shin guards
10/10/10/0/0 bond
With level 9 heavens guard
Every target I attack only ever deals 2000~4000 maximum
Using move again wind spiral and faction buff
mark niblock winged shins guard, you need an accessory that increases magic defense. Also assault suit isn’t the best for her. You need twilight armor.
1. Winged Shin guards doesn't increase MDEF. ATK is useless to her. You need a veil of light, or else speed boots at level 50.
2. How's her bonds, especially heart bond?
You really need her 2nd, 4th, and Heart bond upgraded to maximize her MDEF (which then increases her attack value).
3. If you use Heavensguard, you need to attack at 2 range, so the Heavensguard attack. If you attack at 3 range, only Luna will attack.
@@Nitroglycerine which almost makes that extra troop range moot in any real pvp or or pve setting. Heavens guard are really not a good choice even with ultra bow. Demon hunter or bolt rangers definitely are the better option as a bow knight. Flier class is used a ton endgame pve. Guess bowknight is more pvp based and by then in normal arena just double or triple aoe and mop up. In real time pvp let's be honest people dont allow any deadly combination unless you are able to mix two together without any major weak point. Heavnsgaurd I'll pass on still for pvp.
@@yulfine1688 pvp Luna is usually pegasus for the 1 shot potential which bow knight lacks. If you can't 1 shot, the enemy usually gets to heal it all away. Which makes it a wasted move.
Ullr's bow Luna is actually more favorable for pve, such as timeless trial last week (sss final battle) and even a lot of the challenges in trails in time sc
@@Nitroglycerine yeah but you could just double aoe and wipe everything off the map basically in one turn outside of real time. I mean there are definitely units that hinder that combo but it works most of the time and you can see what they have unit wise before attacking so meh. I just find the way the game functions that Luna is not useful in pvp much. In pve I'd say her flyer class is better in a lot of challenges and other content. Bow knight seems like it exists. They dont really work well together if you ask me and since bow options are minimal. Meh. Double class mastery for pve challenges and such.
Yessssss thank youuuuu
i just transferred my luna itu bow master bcz i already have cherie as my flyer
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nice thumbnail
As a Luna main, I'm offended by the thumbnail.
However, it's an actual in-game screenshot ^_^
CA-VAL-RY
NOT CAL-VA-RY
I hate clickbait.
if you dont show case the units and what you are talking about then their is no point to these videos
I disagree. I just found this channel and I always appreciate Mobile Game guides that get to the point and explain WHY certain choices are better. Tell me what to do and why, then let me get back to playing and try it out for myself. We all learn in different ways. Good luck!