Hungarian GP LIVESTREAM 2407 with Peter Windsor
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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I don't normally comment - long time listener, fellow admirer of Max's and hater of DRS. Disagree with blaming DRS for Max's clumsy chuck up the inside of Lewis. This was poor judgement and a failure to control his emotions, pure and simple. F1 drivers should be able to control the overspeed which DRS gives, like it or not.
I'm shocked by Peter's take on Piastri's win, saying Piastri should have not wanted the win and this was Lando's race, he had earnt it.
The only reason Piastri nearly lost is because the team undercut him even though he was the leading car, everyone knows the lead driver gets first stops. Piastri won the start failry no matter what Peter says, he controlled the race and Lando could not catch and overtake him even though they are free to race as per the radio message to Lando.
McLaren took the lead from him so they made sure he got it back, perfectly understandable and anything else would have been outrageous.
Peter really baffled me on this one, I'm a fan but I need to stop listening for a while as to not start hating.
Spot on. The team undercut Piastri to protect Lando’s 2nd place. Lando but the hand that fed him and Peter thinks he deserves the win. Wild.
Double so for an Australian like myself. I generally respect Peter’s opinion, but I also believe Oscar had every right to win that race when McLaren were clearly trying to protect Lando’s P2 position. Lando Norris is not in a position to do a Michael Schumacher or Sebastian Vettel routine, who had multiple wins when they disobeyed team orders, Lando has only one win to date. The other thing to consider is Zak Brown is a contracts man and has no issue firing a driver. Unlike Christian Horner, Zak Brown is involved in a range of motorsport teams, so can take a neutral position when dealing with a driver. As Martin Brundle pointed out on the Sky F1 website, “One of the core clauses in any F1 contract is that you will follow team instructions at all times.”
Lando Norris has several key weaknesses at the moment, 1) his starts, 2) not battle harden like, 3) poor decision making under pressure, and 4) the inability to overtake Max regularly. Since Miami GP, the head-to-head between Max and Lando is 5 to 2, with Max coming away with 3 wins. Max will remain a factor for the rest of the 2024 season.
The person who deserves to win, is the person who finishes first. I don't know what yall want Peter to say.
@@t3x538 Peter is right though. Even if it was deserved it was a horrible way to win your first race. You could see that Oscar didn't even feel like celebrating and he was a bit embarrassed and disappointed at the end of the race. Not his fault at all but for your maiden victory you surely want a nicer memory.
@@madalinbpopa Lando also gave off a vibe after the race that he knew he fucked up badly. Lando had the whole McLaren team offside with him. I have never seen a more sheepish driver at a team photo than Lando.
Wait…wait….Carlos Sainz took Alonso out in Australia, also he was penalised because he wasn’t sufficiently alongside, which is actually true, he wasn’t (by the letter of the rules) Although let’s go with what you said……most ridiculous penalty in F1 history right?
Now you claim these are comparable incidents, but apparently Piastri is totally to blame when he pulls the same move? Which actually, wasn’t the same move because he WAS sufficiently alongside and there was no collision.
Oh Peter!… very Salty!
I really respected PWs takes on things despite mentioning abu dabi almost every video.
But this horrible take on last race speaks strongly for the existence of the whinging Pom virus.
Gave him room? Lando almost ran Oscar into the wall down the straight. Stop the whinging Peter.
YES when rewatched it that was way worse than the corner
I am frankly baffled by the, what else can I can call it, rankness PW has been unwinding on behalf Lando. Lando himself did not complain about the first turn incident of which Peter makes so much but in which Lando himself chopped sharply into Piastri's racing line and, some would even say, nearly drove him into the wall. Rather, he admitted that he only got a bad start (yet again!). There was neither even only a "note" by the stewards of anything untoward by Piastri, let alone an investigation. Yet, Peter relentlessly excoriates Piastri for allegedly having steered into and forced Lando wide where, however, Max was romping past him and was himself forced wide. He contends that Piastri cost Lando a race lead which, it seems he is saying, Lando was somehow entitled to either for having been on pole or because he is the closest to Max in the fight for the championship. He asks: if Max was forced to hand back second position back to Lando, why wasn't Piastri asked to do the same thing? To me, utter rubbish! This is a man who has been on pole position five times yet has not once led the race at the end of the first or second turn. In his first pole this year, at the Spanish Grand Prix, and in the fastest car of the entire race weekend, Lando made yet another hapless start to the race and, going into Turn 1 was sandwiched on the inside by Max and on the outside by George Russell in almost identical fashion to what happened to him at the Hungarian race, ending up languishing in third position as Russell led the race with Max in second. Only in passing did we hear Peter allude in his post race "analysis" to the possibility of a penalty against Max which the stewards had however dismissed. Mainly, he was rather criticizing Lando "who should have been able to outbreak Max into turn 1", and even more exuberantly applauding Russell for having "gazumped both of them on the outside...hands down absolutely a superb piece of opportune driving by George Russell". So, what is different this time around? Piastri absolutely and utterly fairly launched past Lando on the off notwithstanding Lando cutting into his line and potentially running him into the wall. Notwithstanding a mistake on lap 33 that cost him time, Piastri then went on to build a commanding lead over both Lando and everybody else which he would undoubtedly have retained unchallenged to the end of the race hadn't the team pitted Lando first on lap 45 to protect Lando's second position then under threat from a hard-charging Lewis who would have jumped him if Lando had, as per normal protocol, been pitted after Piastri. By the time Piastri was pitted two laps later, Lando had ofcourse built an advantage on fresher rubber and jumped him. Now, if the team had in pitting Lando first, said to Piastri: tough luck, you made a mistake and now that we have to pit Lando first to protect both his second position and a 1-2 finish for the team, he will jump you, sorry! that would no doubt have elated Peter no end. But it would have been even more diabolically unjust to Piastri. In any case, that is not what the team decided. Its decision, which no doubt was communicated to both drivers, was that the true and fairest outcome of the race would be upheld to the end and that Lando would have to hand back the lead to Piastri. I have no recollection if such switch decisions, which have been and remain part of the daily fare of Formula 1, have previously triggered in Peter this amount of vitriol we are hearing from him this time around. But it is the decision that both employees of the team would have to obey. Piastri should have refused a win "given" to him??? Piastri does not feel, or should not feel like this was a win?? Yeah right!! Piastri would most definitely have had every right to be as mad as a hornet if a deserved win was undercut from him executively and handed to someone he had owned from the very first turn of the race and for 46 straight laps after that and was otherwise destined to finish at best only in third position!!
Hi, Peter. Another great analysis of the race in Hungary. My question is, if DRS was banned tomorrow, would it bring back the excitement where drivers have to be genuinely better than the pole sitter to overtake, or is there a case for a driver to qualify 2nd or 3rd on the grid at the moment to take advantage of the massive advantage that DRS gives them? Surely, it's time to ban it, and get back to the days when the fastest driver wins without artificial advantages.
Part of the reason the undercut worked for Norris was that Piastri had made some errors and was being caught. If he had maintained his gap there would have been no issue.
totaly agree about the radio... none of my business, i am here for the racing.
I enjoyed the live stream as always Peter. Love your content. Look forward to the next one 👍
Just a minor thing but as Max had some problem with Lando “dive-bombing” him into Turn 3 at Austria would Max describe his attempted overtake of Lewis at Turn 1 at Hungary as “dive-bombing” or not?
The 2025 F1 will be heavier than your road car? What are you driving?
Jim Clark's Lotus Elan (about 680kg)
Mini moke
🛺 😂😂😂
Peter must get a commission from Rob Wilson with all these driver coaching recommendations!
Enough!!! He was given help, if not for that he wouldn't have been a chance to win!!!!!
u mean lando ? if u see it that way and even if they boxed oscar first ,lando with 2 lap fresher tyres 4sec behind would have easily caught up to him and got a chance to win .The main reason lando was hesitant to swap when he was pit first was cuz piastri was given fresher tyres so if he loses the time delta he gained as well it will not be possible to get a shot at overtaking
@@lostmind24this is wrong. Piastri probably would've still one as he would've come out 5-6 secs ahead of lando. With only one lap older tires. Lando would've had to catch and pass Oscar (who is a better wheel to wheel racer than lando) while degging his tires in Oscars dirty air.
What Shovlin seemed to mean about Hamilton qualifying was that these cars don't like being hustled on corner entry - can snap into oversteer and then overheat the tyres too easily. Seems a bit mad to me that on a single banzai lap you have to look after the tyres like that, but it seems you do. Over race distance, yes, but single lap qualifying?
excited for SPA...
It is in McLaren tradition to allow team fight, even when WDC is at stake. just remember Hamilton vs Alonso. One team order in whole season would give them WDC and WCC. Ron Dennis was so pissed but never interfered with drivers.
Hi Peter, I would say that with Max there is the frustration of basically carrying the entire team, since Checo doesn't seem to producing anything, and certainly isn't able to support Max when he needs it, and this is not even looking at the upgrades that don't seem to have worked.
Michael never got frustrated. Different personalities for sure, but Michael never allowed adversity to destabilise his focus and if it did he never showed it. Michael controlled his emotions because he was committed to the appearance at least of always being in control.
@@EnzobluebloodMichael was something else, for sure
Different times too
@@Enzoblueblood Michael was definitely more controlled than Max but it's not like he didn't let it slip either. Remember when he tried to fight DC in Spa after the accident. Whether he believed it was intended or not, he lost his head.
@@EnzobluebloodSchumacher never had a team mate as lousy as Perez.
my best guess is that Max feels people have needlessly destroyed progress due to infighting and unnecessary errors. He has a very high bar for himself and projects that upon others as well.
Hypothetically, if you were a team manager and you found your driver was iRacing till maybe 8AM on race day, or was out partying all night, and you were worried about its affecting performance, wouldn't you say something? If the honest answer is yes, then it merely becomes a question of where you draw the line, not that drivers - who are employed to do a job - have complete carte blanche.
100% with you on getting rid of pits to car radios while on track, though.
If Piastri pits first like he should have he wins by a decent margin. The commentators knew that, maclaren knew that, and the rest of it is entitled narcissistic rubbish. For 46 laps nobody could come close to Piastri. The corner was a nothing incident and lando made a more dangerous move before the first corner. Oscar deserved that win 💯
why oscar said his last stint was bad , if lando boxed later he would have fresher tyres .Which would give him even more chance of winning the race .Also the team if the isint bickering on the radio would allow him to focus as well
@@lostmind24 Piastri lead for 46 laps almost impossible to overtake in dirty air. 2 laps won’t make a big difference on the tyres but undercutting by 2 laps gives you track position.
@@ropekd1681 yup but acc to piastri himself his last stint was bad,if oscar had similar stint pace to lando when they were all out ,i would agree . Lando on fresher tyre 2 or more laps depending on what he chooses to do + With oscar having a bad final stint and lando pushing with fresh tyres there is a chance ,obv its hard to overtake but there is a better chance with newer tyres/ team not forcing to hold a certain pace like in the 1st and first half of 2nd stint/ any mistakes from being under pressure can lead to an overtake . Just pointing out that its not absolutely definite what would have happened
@@lostmind24 if Piastri pitted 2 laps before Lando he would have been 10 second in front, no pressure and driving in clean air.
@@ropekd1681 why 10sec , piastri's mistake made it that lando was just 1.5 sec behind him during the pitstop . lando came 3.5 ahead but his pace was also better .Oscar at best would 5.5 ahead .Lando also would not be under pressure to swap so thats not a valid argument . Even the f1 tv analyst said lando could have had a good chance to overtaken had the opposite happened
Sim race would be no different to doing a sprint race but in more comfort...
Per: 1:41:46
Sta: 1:16:37? 1:42:15
Misc: 4:24 4:49 1:01:12 1:42:27
Pet: __****44:55*__* __*1:07:25*__ 1:14:47 1:08:21 __*1:16:37** **1:18:15** **1:42:27*__ 1:21:54 1:39:24, 1:40:35 (inconsistent with his takes) 1:41:46 1:42:15 (said Bottas before but Alonso doesn't come to his mind) 1:48:06 1:53:58 __*2:04:45*__
Ver: 26:30 37:42
Sta (Seb): 1:50:25
1:50 21:45 25:22 26:30 35:31 41:19 44:01 44:18 *44:55* 45:37 47:21 48:40 50:27 53:43 55:15 56:03 1:01:33 1:07:49 1:11:44 1:27:00 1:28:26 1:29:30 1:31:45 1:40:43 1:41:14 1:50:25 2:02:45
2:01:40
Banning DRS sounds good, I never liked it at all, but with these cars, I dont think much overtaking would happen. I take the point that lots of overtakes doesn't make a race, but there needs to be the potential of it. So get rid of it, sure, but big car changes would also be needed.
1:29:00 lol, i make my own pizza and yes I also like pineapple on it. and pizza is just fine, make sure its organic italian wheat flour and sourdough fermented.
1:05:02
Great name.
Peter cannot hide his hate and degradation of Alonso.
It's Max's opinion that Alonso is in top 5 but why is Peter triggered?
Would he have reacted the same if Max said Jim Clark?
you're absolutely wrong if you think three cars fit going into turn 1 at the start.
and max is an idiot for thinking that was going to work out in any way advantageously for him. he's lucky the two inside cars didn't touch, or he would have been swept up collaterally.
Do you think that Verstappen had rights to space on Lando, but he did not have rights to space on Piastri? Thus, Piastri was only obligated to leave enough space for Lando, and not Max, as Verstappen wasn’t far enough alongside Piastri? Lando would be obliged to leave enough space for Verstappen, but he was unable to as Piastri only had to leave space for one car. Thus, no one was at fault and it was a racing incident as Max had already committed and couldn’t really back out through the turn, but he was then obligated to give the space back. I really don’t know if that’s how the rules work. The rules for who gets rights to a corner and how to pass has always been a little mystifying to me. I was always confused as to how you could pass through a turn in a race of equal machinery if the car in front was always on the best line. Researching that is actually what initially got me to watch F1.
yes but if lando just turned into a corner giving max space and hoping piastri would take the inside line then it would be a triple collision as piastri drifts wide .
Never should the inside driver have to leave room for two cars. What a joke
effective moderator needed on live chat....
Max doesnt handle not winning well, thats why he was annoyed. If you look at any race Max isnt in control hes irritable. More so now because he knows he isnt guaranteed the championship (tho Mclaren look like their team orders might)
I have to disagree...one of the last races he lost,, depsite making the podium he was happy and had a great attitude about it.
When their racing at that speed he simply showed human emotion..like Yuki.
Lando should be more like Max, he's too soft..he should have done a SEB, claimed the win,and THEN apoloogise.
Mclaren has lost a lot of respect because of this...and i hope that decision bites them where the sun doesn't shine leading into the last race.
Basing a race on the first corner is RIDICULOUS...sheer stupidity.
You’re upset that your son Lando didn’t win British 🇬🇧 bias 👋🏻
Yeah I'll bite. No he's not. Calls it as he sees it. Sometimes he's wrong. He's as much Australian as he is British. Now go to bed there's a good little person.
The sheep mentality of hating Lando is so shocking. Peter isn't biased and is critical of Lando in this video, what are you on?
@@ineedya123dead right. It indicates a high level of stupidity if you think that a motor sport critic criticises your driver because he "hates" them or is biased on the basis of nationality. Either grow up or go away in short jerky movements.
@@ineedya123 I didn’t say anything negative about Lando, you did 🤔
Not my cuppa tea
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01:07:31 Take that haters
Peter hating on FA as always 😄 . So now Peter knows more about F1 driving than Max Verstappen huh 😆🤣
I think the whole McLaren drama needs to be put into perspective:
Lando is 76 pts behind, Oscar is 119 pts behind
I think the team orders thing is basically a white flag that they are not focused on the drivers championship, "sorry Lando. Piastri hasn't won yet, this is his turn"
A ridiculous sentiment given there are 11 races to go and RB looks the 3rd fastest car now
Have Red bull been caught cheating as this would explain the departure of adrian leaving and the slump in performance especially Perez's performance, just look at Perez's finishing position and the decline in car performance
There is no decline in car performance, their performance is exactly the same as in the beginning of the year, that is the problem. Probably you've missed the part where McLaren and Mercedes have brought really good upgrades and they outdeveloped Red Bull since Miami. The rest is just gossip, this " illegal components" rumours have been leaked from 2 teams apparently ( I wonder who those teams are 😁) right after Red Bull asked the FIA to investigate McLaren's cooling system and Mercedes flexy wing. What a shocker!
@@madalinbpopa actually there is a decline. Im not saying this rumor is true, its a rumor after all. but in hungary the mclaren was 0.8s quicker per lap on a race trim compared to the 2023 season while the red bull was 0.2s slower. 0.2s SLOWER PER LAP after a year of development. I thought, yea last year it was free air, now stuck in traffic a lot and hotter etc etc but that still doesnt account for it. its a 70 lap race. Even if you account 14 seconds to being stuck in traffic, that would only put them on equal time to last year and literally the only other team who hadn't improved since last year is Sauber. Everyone else improved.
so yes, there is a decline.
we will see. but it is strange. its not just Mclaren getting quicker, RB fucked up somehow.
the rumors might be true. however it cannot have been cheating. the car could have never been "illegal". every part that is in the car passes an FIA check so it was deemed legal at the time. what could have happened is that the FIA investigated deeper after a tip from other teams and found that some previously legal parts need to be removed as they are not in "the spirit of the rules" and gave RB a deadline to redevelop and remove them. like mercedes front wing last year. they brought it, FIA approved it, teams complained, FIA retracted it, Merc adjusted it. Thats not cheating. thats clever engineering in grey areas. RB might have done that, if rumors prove to be true and were told to remove the parts now. but there is no "cheating". thats just what toxic media likes to report for views.
@@youbetu18 nah, Red Bull was 1.5 seconds faster in quali compared to last year, the slower pace was definitely due to being stuck in traffic and driving in dirty air. There has been a cold war between Red Bull and McLaren for long time now, Zak Brown has attacked them on many topics, spreading fake rumours doesn't surprise me and we all know how Toto operates as well. But if someone wants to start a conspiracy theory they will always find " something". Look at Ferrari from the beginning of the year until year until now, absolutely no progress. Probably has to do more with Newey leaving than anything else.
@@madalinbpopa yea i think i 90% agree with you, like i said, im not one for believing blindly into these rumors. i just wanted to say that they are not unfounded. there is definitely problems with the development plan or something that is causing them problems. at the same time only max seems to be able to keep the RB in the race for the front while checo magically went from getting easy 2nds to fighting to get into the points.
curb riding has been an issue before but now the balance of the car is completely off. its just strange.
In my opinion, hamilton misjudged Max's speed and didn't see him locking up, he wanted to do the old switcheroo and turned in on max, so he could've avoided it and gone straight like everyone does wen they're pushed wide
Spot on ❤
Max classic failed divebomb
Hamilton’s fault why Max locked up.
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If that's the case them max turned into Lewis at Copse corner Silverstone 21
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It was short sighted of McLaren to tell Lando to let Oscar by because not only has Lando been with them through bad times, they will regret it later in the season when every point will be needed for the drivers championship, the fans hate "manufactured" results especially as It wasn't a case of the second driver being noticeably faster to catch someone in front. RB & Max is hilarious, toys & pram come to mind.
It was short sighted of them pitting Lando first, Lewis never had to pace that they had.
If i was Lando, i would be looking for another team...disgusted by Mclaren i really am.
To hear a driver being threatened over the radio was uncomfortable to say the least.
Now..i hope it comes down to the wire and they lose the drivers championship by 7 points...no focus on the bigger picture.
There's no way max loses the championship, he's 3 dnfs clear
I wouldn't go that far as to change team, but imo if I was in Lando shoes it would be a huge damage to the relationship with my race engineer on professional term. He's supposed to be the one guy in the team Lando trusts most, but it's ugly to be emotionally blackmailing your driver. Okay sure, let's accept Lando is in the wrong and should move over, I would rather be cursed at over the radio, but be straight about the message, rather than be emotionally blackmailed and gaslighted.
@@erikahuxleyright
"The way to win a championship is with the team"
What tripe
The team just spoiled him of 7 points. Lando won pole, and was somewhat run off in the first turn. If the team wants to help Lando win the championship they have to prioritize him. It's a no brainer
How many times has Lando the great started in first position? how many times has Lando not being in the same position by the end of the first lap?.
@@TheNorville2 how often has he had the best car. Now he does, and he has finished 1st and now given up 1st as well
Not a fan of his, but he's pretty good
Max is so silky and smooth...la la la.. the only problem is he cannot get past Lewis Hamilton. Lewis owned Max that race, regardless of DRS. Everyone has DRS so that is no excuse. None of the other drivers have problems with DRS.
Common maaaan…Watch more races 😮
Lewis was lucky that this was a kind of Monaco circuit where it is almost impossible to overtake otherwise Lewis was history for max
How many overtakes have you seen on Sunday and how many were there insidd the top10? Think about it for a second. Leclerc was behind Hamilton with faster tires and couldn't even stay in his DRS, Max actually was the only driver in the top10 that actually went for an overtake a couple of times.
Drs train is a thing
Tell me you’re a DTS fan without telling me you’re a DTS fan.
Why can't you call it like you see it. Why is it that if you make an analysis call, that seems to favour one driver over another, all of a sudden you don't like one driver and like the other one, or worse, you're accused of bias based on nationality ( which is comical given your background when it comes to Lando v Oscar at least 😊)
It's absolutely preposterous and I'm over it tbh. Proper analysis means that on any given weekend where a controversy exists, that analysis may result in criticism of a driver or team. This will change depending on the circumstances. Why can't people disagree with your analysis and not accuse you of favouritism or bias. To use a relevant recent word: It's childish.
Lando lost. Give up mate lol.
Pineapple is supposed to be on top of a float, not a pizza, mate!!
Hi peter, Jamaica in the house
Verstappen Doesn’t Act as if he’s Over 21- his Actions are more Like 12!✅💯
I remember back in the early 2000s when FA was te king of F1 this guy Peter didn't have any issues with FA's driving style and his initial steering input saying that FA had invented "neutral steer" 😄 ......remember that Peter ? because I'm sure that none of your current followers knows about the dribble you used to spew back in the day😄. All it took was for Hamilton to come to F1 and start antagonizing Fernando for you to start hating on Fernando
Peter doesn't realise that if Max does a simrace at night, the whole world knows.
you know he can simrace without using his main username and live-streaming right?
@@youbetu18 he can but mostly wont , as in iracing ur name corelates with u irl name(card's name)
and iracing is pretty pricey as well , unlikely that a guy like max would even try to hide it
@@lostmind24 pointless answer. this is about the pure possibility to hide it without causing public backlash. not whether he wants to or not which is pure speculation anyways.
the point you make about it being expensive... are you kidding me.
Sad comment
Max cant race wheel to wheel
Water is wet
61 victories into a verry short time max must be verry bad in wheel to wheel racing 😂😂😂😂
@Rongitaar-abc most of those wins were in a rocketship and a uncompetitive teammate
He can only dive bomb and push drivers wide it’s his trademark. FIA should have put a stop to that dangerous driving back in 2021 punishing max with penalties the amount of times he did that and got away with it. His defending is dangerous and one day he will cause a huge accident and fingers crossed no one gets injured. He drives like he’s on a sim
brazil 2016 says otherwise
No penalty, 1st corner 1st lap, re- max & Lewis × 2 !!!!!!
I loved you until you mentioned your love for pineapple pizza - I just can"t follow you there - Can we keep it away from PIZZA?
aww poor you
Who the ... cares what you think at this point mate!? Get a life and stop inflicting your twisted options on the rest of us... PLEASE 🙏
You clicked on his live broadcast...
Maybe it's you who needs to eff off? Not hard to unsubcribe, or click not interested:)) Can't you see that? Or has someone handcuffed you to the screen?
@TheKievKen or maybe it's Peter who needs to wake the f up and find a way to keep his bs away from me. If I ever come across this sort of crap, I will not hesitate to let the likes of you all what I think about it!!! Suck on that
Mate, why are you watching then? He’s entitled to his take.
@@redfinite just like I'm entitled to mine... again: suck on it!