Viking? They look like Chinese/Korean/Japanese ships. The sabertooth imagery was not present in East Asia, but the design of the ship and the sails are very much in line.
I always saw Tuon as being directly inspired by Emperor Hirohito/Showa of Imperial Japan 🇯🇵, the only Axis leader to remain in power for 64 years without facing the war crimes he committed in WW2. I'm pretty sure Robert Jordan was thinking of UNIT 731 when writing scenes with the Damane and the scene were Rand contemplated destroying the entire Seanchan empire with Balefire is a reference to the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Just like with Tuon people are very split on Hirohito; some calling him a war criminal who had the power to stop what was happening while others say the Japanese socialist party (like Semirhage) just used his divine image as a ploy and that he had no true position of power, because he wasn’t allowed to be scene in public in order to maintain the allusion of him being a divine descendant of the Sun Goddess (similar to how Tuon is called Daughter of the Nine Moons).
This tv show will quickly become an artifact of the past because it is just an all around bad tv show. It has no enduring appeal. It has not caught the popular imagination. It's not because the story is terrible. It is one of the best fantasy series ever written. It's world building is off the charts. But in the hands of it's current show runners it's been reduced to social justice messaging. The Wheel of Time is now more a costume drama that resemble the book covers of a time long past and that is about all. The tv show characters are completely unrecognizable from their book counterparts. From their motivations to their actions.
I am sorry to have to complain about your video, but you forgot to mention something: when Luthair arrived at the Seanchan continent he found Aes Sedai there, who openly ruled the land, feuded amongst each other and very nothing like the Aes Sedai he knew from home. Those Aes Sedai and their armies, are remembered in Historie as "the Armies of the Night". This is a fact, that becomes interesting, when you compare to the foundation of the White Tower. When the White Tower was founded, the Aes Sedai were fairly ruthless, in culling women "pretending to be Aes Sedai" by that they created a unified form of the aes Sedai in the Westlands, and maybe even prevented from happening what happened in Seanchan: Aes Sedai rulers, and fiefdoms and wars. There is a high likelyhood that Luthair was seen as a bringer of freedom by those supressed under the armies of the night.
@@SpaceMike3 The world of Robert Jordan's wheel of time, there do you find the Information on the founding of the tower, and on the basics of Seanchan, the "Armies of the Night" you will also find in numerous ponderings of characters from Seanchan (the kennel scene in Winter's heart, the sul'dam contemplates history and why she is so distrustful of any woman called Aes Sedai).
@@SpaceMike3 It's well possible. I've had that book - The World of Robert's Jordans Wheel of Time - for years and years, read and re-read it, so I often fall back on the stuff told in there.
Great break down, Personally I'd have much preferred the book collar and leash over what we saw at the end of Season 1 for a few reasons. I think the scariest thing about the Damane in the books is the psychological torture and the resulting stockholm syndrome that's embedded in them, I don't know that you can do that as well with them gagged, we need to hear Damane voices through various stages in their training, Seanchan Damane vs captured Aes Sedai. I think the symbolism of the leash would play far better for how the Seanchan view channelers. There's also numerous instances in the books of women being collared unawares and I can't see how that would be possible with the size of the collars on the show Damane.
Personally I think just the collar would have been fine. The Damane are seen as subservient and not worth listening to, so I don’t see why they would bother putting muzzles on them. The leash is kind of weird, I don’t remember the physical leash ever really being relevant anyways, it’s mostly the sickness they get when thinking of escape.
Only nitpicks, read if interested. The armies of night weren't actually aes sedai, they were more like feudal warlord style female channelers who were abusive to the general populace. Also there's still Shadowspawn in Seanchan in small numbers, just not trolloc and myrddraal. The Blood aren't actually blood related to the imperial family in any way. The royals are High Blood, but most high blood aren't related to them. Raising commoners to the Low Blood is a reward for great service, so several Low Blood are former commoners. Those ships don't look viking at all, more like east asia I'd say.
Great explanation & background on the Seanchan, but you forgot to mention the BloodKnives. They play an important part in the books, but the Show may cut or change that part. Personally, I don't like the look of the sul'dam & damane. The face paint looks too garish to be tattoos. That thing over the mouth looks like a pacifier. I'd rather see the smaller collar & bracelet from the books be used. The "leashing" is more symbolically humiliating, isn't it? That much gold around one's neck looks too fancy, even for a pet, much less for a slave or tool.
Great job! I'm thinking they didn't use collars in the women due to it being viewed badly in our current woke culture. Not trying to say right or wrong, just stating a fact. I'm listening to the books on Audiobook, it is really different then when I read them. Please keep up the good work! And once again, just for one episode, please! Please! Use Thom's song from the show for just one episode and let us vote which we like better!
Excited to see the Seanchan next season. I love to hate them. I hope that the show will address some of the problems that were not solved in the books - if they ever reach the story at the end! Great explanations!
Hummm I do not know if this would fit in your request for things we might want to see explained in a video like this one. however, I found it fascinating. Some time back I searched the question of "how did Robert Jordan create his cultures for the wheel of time?"I found a place where question on culture building in interviews had been answered by Robert Jordan spreading from 1993 to like 2005. He built what he described as Logic trees. He stated he never used any one culture as a complete whole like "9th century Prussia." He created fake cultures using this Logic Tree. He planed his world building for 10 years before believing he could start writing. I could go on but you explain things so much more clearly. Is there any chance of an explanation video based on Jordan's own words about how he built the world more on social anthropology than taking our earthen cultures whole cloth to build this world? Several things are based solely on how people with certain beliefs act such as the white cloaks. Anyway I find it all fascinating. I will leave it up to you to decide if it's worth an video. 🤓 Thanks for your time!
Before I start the video, just want to say, as a non-book reader, I’m super excited for this video and to learn more… I’m super super curious about this group 🤩 thanks in advance!
I am so excited to see Seanchan in the series. I think the muzzle will add to the mental and physical servitude implied. It's going to be so tough for certain channelers to be under this kind of stress.
You're doing a great job laying out back history. The detail of "everything" in the books could never be represented on screen. The show would need 20 years to get half way through. Trying to explain background to those who haven't read the books is near impossible IMO. The one thing that may help a little, especially in this video would be to "pointer" the map to give a better feel of the worlds complexity. Keep up the great work!
Another explain video. Cool. I wish you had explained that the women who could channel initially in Seanchan may have called themselves Aes Sedai, but they had no affiliation to the White Tower and Aes Sedai we meet in Season 1. These women were analogous to Shoguns in feudal Japan. Each woman a power in her separate geographical area (perhaps a city and surrounding villages; but probably not an entire kingdom). As I book reader, I know this. Non book readers would not know this.
One detail missed. My understanding is that the Senchean ROYALTY were all the direct descendants of the original group of the Hawkwing warriors. Any “Of the Blood” were the members of society that could prove at least some direct bloodline descendant of the invading army.
Any theories on why they formed a tsunami to hit what appears to be an empty (mostly) beach? The view from behind the suldam makes it appear the beach and hills beyond are pretty bare. Or am I just missing something?
Oh! I just had a thought! Someone on Twitter called the connection “blue tooth “ 😂. What if it is a weave between the suldam and Damane? *spoiler alert* That would make so much sense later when it’s discovered that the suldam can channel too!! 😲🤯
Friend WOT channel guy. Your mission should not be to avoid spoiling plot points of the WOT tv show because based on the quality of the actual show no one is going to rush to buy or read the actual books. By the time the Seanchan arrived on the scene cinematic-wise people were still trying to figure out the major characters actual purpose or worth is. This show is good only in the sense of fulfilling a lot of diversity for the sake of diversity and social justice marginalized group quotas. Otherwise it is just a really lame form of entertainment. I live in Canada and we have a national broadcaster named the CBC that specializes in pretty pudding like entertainment. The goal is to entertain but not offend. This piece of shit adaptation of Wheel of Time could have been made in Canada given our political leanings. Sadly it is not.
Mostly tho the Wheel of Time adaptation is just boring. It's amateurish in execution. To work overtime to defend this otherwise piece of shit tv show means it's biggest fans are in a suspended state of childhood. I am guilty of this too. It does not make things right tho. Over and out.
There's no way rafe would have ballz to show this version of eg chained and collared. So not surprised at another agenda driven change. Gj on another good video
Viking? They look like Chinese/Korean/Japanese ships. The sabertooth imagery was not present in East Asia, but the design of the ship and the sails are very much in line.
That isn't actually sabertooth imagery. If you freeze at 54:02 three eyes are clearly visible. The figureheads are most likely torm.
Thank for this explanation. Quite helpful. Loving the show so far and the direction it has taken. Catching up on the books too. Light be with You!
Would love to see more of these explainer videos.
I always saw Tuon as being directly inspired by Emperor Hirohito/Showa of Imperial Japan 🇯🇵, the only Axis leader to remain in power for 64 years without facing the war crimes he committed in WW2. I'm pretty sure Robert Jordan was thinking of UNIT 731 when writing scenes with the Damane and the scene were Rand contemplated destroying the entire Seanchan empire with Balefire is a reference to the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Just like with Tuon people are very split on Hirohito; some calling him a war criminal who had the power to stop what was happening while others say the Japanese socialist party (like Semirhage) just used his divine image as a ploy and that he had no true position of power, because he wasn’t allowed to be scene in public in order to maintain the allusion of him being a divine descendant of the Sun Goddess (similar to how Tuon is called Daughter of the Nine Moons).
Well done. Quick & concise. This will be very helpful for new viewers wondering WTH????
This tv show will quickly become an artifact of the past because it is just an all around bad tv show. It has no enduring appeal. It has not caught the popular imagination. It's not because the story is terrible. It is one of the best fantasy series ever written. It's world building is off the charts. But in the hands of it's current show runners it's been reduced to social justice messaging. The Wheel of Time is now more a costume drama that resemble the book covers of a time long past and that is about all. The tv show characters are completely unrecognizable from their book counterparts. From their motivations to their actions.
I am sorry to have to complain about your video, but you forgot to mention something: when Luthair arrived at the Seanchan continent he found Aes Sedai there, who openly ruled the land, feuded amongst each other and very nothing like the Aes Sedai he knew from home. Those Aes Sedai and their armies, are remembered in Historie as "the Armies of the Night". This is a fact, that becomes interesting, when you compare to the foundation of the White Tower. When the White Tower was founded, the Aes Sedai were fairly ruthless, in culling women "pretending to be Aes Sedai" by that they created a unified form of the aes Sedai in the Westlands, and maybe even prevented from happening what happened in Seanchan: Aes Sedai rulers, and fiefdoms and wars. There is a high likelyhood that Luthair was seen as a bringer of freedom by those supressed under the armies of the night.
Where did this info come from? I need to read it
@@SpaceMike3 The world of Robert Jordan's wheel of time, there do you find the Information on the founding of the tower, and on the basics of Seanchan, the "Armies of the Night" you will also find in numerous ponderings of characters from Seanchan (the kennel scene in Winter's heart, the sul'dam contemplates history and why she is so distrustful of any woman called Aes Sedai).
@@Valandhir I've just ordered the Companion book. Apparently it covers the same and more :)
@@SpaceMike3 It's well possible. I've had that book - The World of Robert's Jordans Wheel of Time - for years and years, read and re-read it, so I often fall back on the stuff told in there.
Great break down, Personally I'd have much preferred the book collar and leash over what we saw at the end of Season 1 for a few reasons. I think the scariest thing about the Damane in the books is the psychological torture and the resulting stockholm syndrome that's embedded in them, I don't know that you can do that as well with them gagged, we need to hear Damane voices through various stages in their training, Seanchan Damane vs captured Aes Sedai. I think the symbolism of the leash would play far better for how the Seanchan view channelers. There's also numerous instances in the books of women being collared unawares and I can't see how that would be possible with the size of the collars on the show Damane.
Personally I think just the collar would have been fine. The Damane are seen as subservient and not worth listening to, so I don’t see why they would bother putting muzzles on them. The leash is kind of weird, I don’t remember the physical leash ever really being relevant anyways, it’s mostly the sickness they get when thinking of escape.
Only nitpicks, read if interested.
The armies of night weren't actually aes sedai, they were more like feudal warlord style female channelers who were abusive to the general populace. Also there's still Shadowspawn in Seanchan in small numbers, just not trolloc and myrddraal. The Blood aren't actually blood related to the imperial family in any way. The royals are High Blood, but most high blood aren't related to them. Raising commoners to the Low Blood is a reward for great service, so several Low Blood are former commoners. Those ships don't look viking at all, more like east asia I'd say.
Great explanation & background on the Seanchan, but you forgot to mention the BloodKnives. They play an important part in the books, but the Show may cut or change that part.
Personally, I don't like the look of the sul'dam & damane. The face paint looks too garish to be tattoos. That thing over the mouth looks like a pacifier. I'd rather see the smaller collar & bracelet from the books be used. The "leashing" is more symbolically humiliating, isn't it? That much gold around one's neck looks too fancy, even for a pet, much less for a slave or tool.
Great job! I'm thinking they didn't use collars in the women due to it being viewed badly in our current woke culture. Not trying to say right or wrong, just stating a fact. I'm listening to the books on Audiobook, it is really different then when I read them. Please keep up the good work! And once again, just for one episode, please! Please! Use Thom's song from the show for just one episode and let us vote which we like better!
I read all these books as they came out....hardcovers are expensive 😁
Great summary! ... The mouth pieces used in the show remind me of the scold's bridle or iron bit torture devices
Excited to see the Seanchan next season. I love to hate them. I hope that the show will address some of the problems that were not solved in the books - if they ever reach the story at the end!
Great explanations!
Hummm I do not know if this would fit in your request for things we might want to see explained in a video like this one. however, I found it fascinating.
Some time back I searched the question of "how did Robert Jordan create his cultures for the wheel of time?"I found a place where question on culture building in interviews had been answered by Robert Jordan spreading from 1993 to like 2005.
He built what he described as Logic trees. He stated he never used any one culture as a complete whole like "9th century Prussia." He created fake cultures using this Logic Tree. He planed his world building for 10 years before believing he could start writing.
I could go on but you explain things so much more clearly. Is there any chance of an explanation video based on Jordan's own words about how he built the world more on social anthropology than taking our earthen cultures whole cloth to build this world? Several things are based solely on how people with certain beliefs act such as the white cloaks.
Anyway I find it all fascinating. I will leave it up to you to decide if it's worth an video. 🤓 Thanks for your time!
Before I start the video, just want to say, as a non-book reader, I’m super excited for this video and to learn more… I’m super super curious about this group 🤩 thanks in advance!
And now that I’ve watched it… Love it, this is all fun stuff to know about! Thank you so much for sharing this with us 😃
Thank you!
I am so excited to see Seanchan in the series. I think the muzzle will add to the mental and physical servitude implied. It's going to be so tough for certain channelers to be under this kind of stress.
good video! but your picture of a Grolm is wrong. you have a picture of a Torm
I noticed this too. But still appreciate the video.
Oh shoot! My bad! Thank you for noticing!
@@WoTUp anytime, just trying to be helpful.
You're doing a great job laying out back history. The detail of "everything" in the books could never be represented on screen. The show would need 20 years to get half way through. Trying to explain background to those who haven't read the books is near impossible IMO. The one thing that may help a little, especially in this video would be to "pointer" the map to give a better feel of the worlds complexity. Keep up the great work!
Another explain video. Cool.
I wish you had explained that the women who could channel initially in Seanchan may have called themselves Aes Sedai, but they had no affiliation to the White Tower and Aes Sedai we meet in Season 1. These women were analogous to Shoguns in feudal Japan. Each woman a power in her separate geographical area (perhaps a city and surrounding villages; but probably not an entire kingdom). As I book reader, I know this. Non book readers would not know this.
The Seanchan were stupid it the book series but the amazon show made them comically stupid
All picture women in WOT are slender & beautiful. Not realistic.
Slavery and a culture based on slavery is so repugnant 🤮
New to the series so thank you for helping to clear this up. I’ve really enjoyed your videos since starting WOT. Thank you!
Nicely done! So much wasn't explained in Season 1, these will help a lot of viewers! More please!
100%!
Great video.
I don't like the face paint on the Sul'dam and the Damane. Other than that, I think they look fine.
I'm currently reading The Great Hunt, just got to chapter 2 today. And I can not wait to see these guys in action both in the books and on the show.
Arture Hawkwing, not Arthur
Was really interesting to consider
only women can Channel in seanchan?
cant answer what i said below?
Idk what it is but your intro music is just it lol
One detail missed. My understanding is that the Senchean ROYALTY were all the direct descendants of the original group of the Hawkwing warriors. Any “Of the Blood” were the members of society that could prove at least some direct bloodline descendant of the invading army.
Also could you do an explanation video on the forsaken maybe cover 1 or 2 an episode, talking about their histories and current situation.
Any theories on why they formed a tsunami to hit what appears to be an empty (mostly) beach? The view from behind the suldam makes it appear the beach and hills beyond are pretty bare. Or am I just missing something?
The most elite of their elite forces are the Bloodknives which are part of the Fists of Heaven.
The elite forces of the Fists of Heaven are called Bloodknives. There. :p
I'm using his words
@@huizhou47 Typical Robert Jordan words found in his books, redundancy at its finest.
@@makoygaara the YTers words
got wave?
Jon. What is your favorite Seanchan exotic animal? Mine is the torm.
100% the S Redit. I love me some Elephants
Oh! I just had a thought! Someone on Twitter called the connection “blue tooth “ 😂. What if it is a weave between the suldam and Damane? *spoiler alert*
That would make so much sense later when it’s discovered that the suldam can channel too!! 😲🤯
Friend WOT channel guy. Your mission should not be to avoid spoiling plot points of the WOT tv show because based on the quality of the actual show no one is going to rush to buy or read the actual books. By the time the Seanchan arrived on the scene cinematic-wise people were still trying to figure out the major characters actual purpose or worth is. This show is good only in the sense of fulfilling a lot of diversity for the sake of diversity and social justice marginalized group quotas. Otherwise it is just a really lame form of entertainment. I live in Canada and we have a national broadcaster named the CBC that specializes in pretty pudding like entertainment. The goal is to entertain but not offend. This piece of shit adaptation of Wheel of Time could have been made in Canada given our political leanings. Sadly it is not.
Mostly tho the Wheel of Time adaptation is just boring. It's amateurish in execution. To work overtime to defend this otherwise piece of shit tv show means it's biggest fans are in a suspended state of childhood. I am guilty of this too. It does not make things right tho. Over and out.
There's no way rafe would have ballz to show this version of eg chained and collared. So not surprised at another agenda driven change.
Gj on another good video