CABLE HYPE - WORTH IT?
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2021
- Baxter and Jonathan dive into whether you should drop the cash on an expensive cable? Let us know what you think in the comments. Do you have a favorite cable that you splurged on? The boys show off the new line from Runway Audio out of Nashville TN.
I think cables fall into the “they need to be good enough” category. You don’t need a million dollar cable but you also don’t want the cheapest one you can find.
Yea as long as it's a decent cable, my only criteria is the length... short as possible, and none of those curly phone cord cables.
@@sqlb3rn no curly cables?!? No fun! 🤘🏼🔥🤘🏼
@@keefjunior4061 I don't want my guitar attached to a bungee cord, however I'll take my beer with a curly straw. jk... I don't even drink, it's a Shirley Temple
Absoulutely. The best cables ive found are penker cables. Off amazon u get a 2 pack of 10ft cables very high quality cables and ive bought 3 sets cuz there so good and even the 1st set i bought 2 yrs ago still work as good as new and they get tons of use.
Exactly!
Yeah, I don’t really think the cable is what’s wrong with my playing…
I don't have Jimis hands... Wish I could buy them. My hands r really big but jimis hands r apparently better surprisingly.
@@subzero308 - He also used 8's. Easier to do obscene bends with 8's.
Dude Coca Cola just came out of my nose when i read this comment....that was truly hilarious because brother i feel exactly the same way my guitar cable don't have a darn thing to do with the utter "shame" i bring to that fretboard when i pick it up to i guess ""play it""!!!!
I’ve never had anybody say …. “Get a different cable and your in the band “
Never will I ever find myself on tour with a Nashville outfit 😂😂😂…..I might get to play Madison Square bedroom.
Thanks for the love guys! See you tonight for the sleepover, Jonathan. Don't forget the snacks!
Well….if the player hears/feels a difference that’s all that matters. I am an audiophile and Without Question the worst discussion when talking to audiophiles is whether or not expensive cables make any difference….otherwise normal people suddenly grow fangs and hate anyone who disagrees with them. For guitar I like my Mogami but also have a new cloth covered Fender cable that seems similar. Again if you like a certain cable then use it and tell everyone to shut up.
20 years ago I bought a pair of 15 foot George L quarter inch cables. They are half the diameter of a “typical” cable. Great then; still great now. No loss of signal strength, no hums, no crackles, no complaints! Expensive but awesome.
After almost 20 years of playing I sprung for a nicer Planet Waves cable and it just feels good to have a nice piece of kit that is going to last!
Warren Haynes uses those. They are very good.
I've been using the NUX B-2 Wireless system for a year now. Rechargeable, barely any lag, has a very decent range, and it's not bulky or cumbersome in any way. I'll still keep a backup set of cables, but I'm totally happy with the NUX B-2.
Wireless is so much better
The differences in copper diameter, jacket thickness, cable length,, plug material and construction, and then the actual construction of the cable in manufacturing all make minute differences...but if the jack you're plugging into on your venue provided backline 10 year old hot rod deluxe is dirty or poorly constructed then those small differences in your cable might make a big difference.
New channel: “The Adventures of Baxter and Jonathon”. Instant platinum.
I remember reading an article years ago about Jimi Hendrix using coiled (curly) cables, and why he thought they were better for "his sound". The condensed version of the story is, Jimi felt that a coiled cable removed more high frequencies from his Strat tone, because they are so high piercing. It makes sense to me, because it's a very long cable coiled. He noticed it raised his mid range considerably, and he liked that sound on a Strat. Go look at pictures of him playing. Most always his cable is a coiled "curly" cable. Great for Strat & maybe Tele's, but can't imagine what they do to Les Paul's. Cheers
Yeah thats true and Paul kossoff did that to with Les Paul and hes strat
I use Whirlwind cables, and have since they started making them here around 1975 in Rochester NY. I still have some from 1975 I bought at their facility. Great cables, fair price and last... a long time LOL. I do have some others, Fender for one, I bought in a pinch. I hate throwing things out, so after 50 some years I have quite an assortment of cables. 8) JMHO --gary
One has to remember that some the classic tones from the earlier days of rock and country came from some pretty poor quality stuff. Those coil cables are a good example! Good video!
yeah.... ive had just as much luck with the cheap 8 dollar ones in the 70s than i have with anything else........
Yep
The dirty secret is cheap cables sound better. To me anyway
Sweet! I love made in the USA products. I will be picking up a couple cables. Thanks for show casing it!
You guys relax the hell out of me just chatting. Hah. Again when I get to where I can travel a bit again I'm heading to your shop!!!! Probably unable to purchase anything other than a pack of strings but...it's the visit that I want. You are 2 cool cats indeed. Peace.
Gave minimal information about the subject, utter rubbish video
my favorite part of Monster cables is how the ends break constantly
I loved your bobble heads from yesterday you guys!!! That’s gotta be so cool to have them that look like yourself.
I even commented on how “humble” Baxter was about how good looking he is. It’s gotta be tough being humble when you look that good, right? 😂😂. I tell my girl that all the time. She doesn’t listen or anything, so she must agree I guess. 😎😂
Both of you guys are awesome, great show as always. Thanks for the work y’all put into them.
Number one thing that kills my input cables... rolling over it with the office chair.
Love my Mogami's! Have not had a failure. My singer gets cheap cables and has constant issues. Every one should know how to properly wrap them. Over under wrap!!!
over, under, sideways, down! backwards, forward, square and round
When I was touring (in the '70's & '80's) I used two cables, a 20 ft one , and a 30 ft one, they never failed me. Back then we never paid attention to the maker, or the specs! Monster was just coming out, but we had no desire to buy the EXPENSIVE flavor of the month stuff!
I bought a 15' Runway cable in white after watching this video. Have to say that I love it, really solid and well built cable. It also looks pretty darn cool in white!
They are good I like them more over mogami. More lively
Last cable I bought, and still use with my bass is a Vox branded, 20ft white coily cable that goes into one side of my pedal board. I use Mogami patch cables, and a 15ft Mogami as a return to my amp. I have the gold Jack's on the coily cable so sometimes I go straight to my amp and it's a super clean,and transparent signal. My other cables are fine for my pedals as long as I've been playing, 30 years or so, I've never had a 100% transparent tone through a pedal board. As long as I can clamp down 85% of the 60c hum I'm happy. On loud stages I always used a noise gate anyway.
I think you guys are hilarious yet sometimes informative
Whether the cable matters or not really only comes into play when the venue or location is not good. Bad power, florescent lighting, and neon tube transformers can all be detected by bad cables. The better cable will help with some of these situations. Price and quality are not always related. Good is not always expensive.
Of course single coils pick up all that noise, as well. I played at a place in Annapolis, where I had to turn my Strat at a 90 degree angle to the audience to stop the hum from the bad electric, ballasts and neon lights in the place.
@@rosewoodsteel6656 yes indeed.
THESE THINGS ARE AMAZING!!!!
I recently got into coiled cables and there definitely for me helps that i cant accidentally break them easily and they dont drag my pedals around
Going through my old man’s workshop recently I found a whole stack of old switch-craft and vox coiled cables and I’m now a big fan aswell. Great for a couch guitar rig and saves having a giant loop of tweed on the floor
Curly rules👍🏿
I didn’t realize the difference cables make to sound until I got a good cable and did a comparison test with the Planet Waves cables I had been using. If my ears can hear it, it makes a difference. Since you guys rave about these maybe I’ll try one.
Bad cables do make a difference, good ones don't. Why would they? There are absolutely no reasons and if there are differences they are so nuanced that you cannot tell them apart.
Unless you make the cables to be different and put a filter in them...
Cables most absolutely make all the difference. There's a difference in sound quality, which I did not realize until laaaaater.
I like the D'Addario American Stage cables. They're reasonably priced, well constructed, easy to wrap, I like the barrel design and they're a local company.
My 20 year old flea market cables finally all quit and I got some Runway Audio cables last year. They seem super durable, sound good. They look amazing too. The only thing I don’t like is that the sleeve is a trip hazard if you step on it. It’s slick on a hardwood floor.
I've had many cable brands over 40 years. Can't say I have the ear to really pinpoint differences but will say this much. I've been using the Line 6 Relay G10 for many years. Can't tell a lick of difference from my Mogabi and Monster cables and love the freedom the transmitter allows. I no longer perform but play every day in my studio - clear, clean, no lag - just love it. So there you have it from the unsophisticated peanut gallery. I am interested in looking at this company however. I still have G.A.S.
I’ve been using (and selling) Rattlesnake Cables. Hand built in Montana. Great cables, solid build, transparent tone, just a win/win for me.
I don’t mess around with cables. I use one brand that has NEVER failed on me. (Hope I didn’t jinx myself). I believe we should buy once, and cry once.
I have a 18 year old monster cable that still works. I notice no difference in sound but God bless does the thing still work
You guys are just awesome, I love the channel! How is your lefty selection?
I never put too much thought into it outside of recording. I mainly aim for durability. I prefer angle (instrument) to straight (amp). There was a brand called "pighog" I tried and the cables seemed really good for the price, and they had what a lot of companies are trying now days with the extra thick jacketing to give more protection. Problem I ran into is that the jacketing was just a hair too think to connect properly when plugged into my CS 55 P or Road Worn 50s Tele with the old school cup jack. (no issues obviously on the split coil AVS 57 P) So I went back to the old Fender braided I've always used because I know they work and I get good life out of them. I'll check these out. Always looking for something new to try that's made here.
Every time Jonathan leans his head back now, my mind is expecting a bobble-head spring back. I just can’t unsee it. Broken. 😀
Can’t wait to try them!
If you had asked me a month ago I would have said cables don’t make a difference and I was using a $10 GC cable. A few weeks ago I bought a nice Fender cable. So much less noise
Welcome to the gun show, Baxter. Jonathan is showing why he's gonna with the arm wrestling contest.
My father was a home theater designer & worked with a TON of electronic companies. I started playing in 2001 as did my brother, we both had & still use Monster Cable for everything! Guitar to pedals, pedal jumper cables, & pedals to the amp. Otherwise we'd be using the most affordable stuff on the rack in a store.
A couple years ago I was at a jam session and a guy grabbed my cheap cable by accident, I guess, and left his Monster brand cable, so I took it so I’d have a long cable still. I told one of his friends so that we could swap back but never heard about it again after that.
I wasn’t interested in expensive cables up until then but I’m sold now
I can’t tell that much different on a six string, especially with multiple pedals. Where I notice a huge difference is with bass guitar
I have an old Crate practice bass amp and a lower end Ibanez bass. When I use a cheap guitar center brand cable the bass and amp sound as cheap as you’d expect but switch to the monster cable and suddenly it sounds rich and full and the dynamics are more sensitive!
Also the Monster brand cable feels more substantial and durable than the cheaper cables that I normally buy.
I really wish wireless sounded good and wasn’t so expensive! I’d love to be free to jump and spin without getting tangled!
For years I used cheapo cables that barely did the job. Mostly because I didn't think there was a real difference. Then I started using Divine Noise cables and that's all I've used for years now. Very happy with their quality and really don't need anything else, but I might have to take a look at Runway Audio, just because Baxter and Jonathan couldn't bite through them :D
Great video as always. My philosophy with any purchase is simple.... get the best quality for my actual needs (many don't accurately assess what their actual needs are though) within the budget I have to spend. Yup, that simple. And depending on what my budget is, that can often be quite different end product purchases.
So as it stands now, my cables are always "what gets consistently good reviews but isn't stupidly expensive". LOL So I never buy the cheapest, but generally mid-range.
I don't gig. I don't play in a band. I play at home (and by myself), to relax and just enjoy the music. Family, friends, whoever, that's fine if they are around, but I don't play to "entertain" others.... except the Mrs.
On another note, yes cables do make a difference. Sometimes it is worth it, other times not so much. We see the same with all other electronic cables, stereo and speaker cables, and so on. Cheers!
Good morning Casino dudes! 🤘🏼🔥🤘🏼
For club dates using a backline and a 5 minute set up and sound check, a cable that doesn’t tangle when setting up I can see that as being a plus.
George L’s, my friends! Bought mine nearly thirty years ago and still have and use the same one.
I tried a bunch of expensive cables and never found any worth a darn. What I ended up using for years are the GHS brand 15 foot cables off Amazon. They just sound great, the right amount of capacitance and not wads of money either.
Don't worry Jonathan, Michael won't harm your kids. Cause he's a GHOST! LOL
There's something to be said for "Look for the Weakest Link" in your gear. Spending $100 for a cable and then plugging it into a Pedalboard where all the connecting cables are 15 cents each isn't much of a test. BUT..... take any number of high-end cables and plug your bass directly into a high-end TUNER and you can visually SEE the difference in a nano second. Cables matter.....unless you use pedal boards. At that point, all bets are off.
This is great!
It’s the cheap cables I’ve been using that has stopped me being able to play F and B properly.
Jonathan ... with the "Transparent Look" ... too funny
Those eight dollar Reverb branded cables they used to sell before they got bought out were all I needed. Now I need something else that's cheap but good.
My ear isn't refined enough to pick up any audio difference. That being said, I like Tour Gear Designs patch cables for the size and shape of the heads, and because they have C-shape cables (where both heads point in the same direction) and S-shape cables (where they point in opposite directions). I also like the feel and build quality of Rattlesnake Cables, out of Montana.
Yes I use Rattlesnake
Yeah. I got an expensive cable because it has the self-muting thing when it unplugs so I use it when I want to quickly shut off my guitar. Tone wise I could not tell the difference, but I will always swear by Neutrik connectors - very reliable.
So long is there is electrical continuity from end to end, one cable is pretty much like the next IMO.
I absolutely love the channel but I just have to point out what I think every time I watch. Absolutely no disrespect it you both are unique characters. Baxter reminds me of Robert Smith lite and Jonathan reminds me of a baritone Dave Grohl!!
lol 😂
I solder my own with mogami cable with neutrik plugs. Ain’t the general assumption that higher end cables let’s more treble through (and less noise of course) and cheap ones sound more dull? I generally don’t like too much treble, but like the mogami, but I’m open to suggestions on other manufacturers :-)
Bought cheap cables for years, also spent years trying to figure out what was happening to my guitars and amps. Broke down and bought Planet Waves guitar and amp cables. Haven't bought cables in years and they never let me down.
For me, vox vintage coiled cable, but i must admit those runways look sweet.
Yep, makes a difference. I use a mogami gold. Damn near $100 for a 20 footer. I bit the bullet and bought one. I'd do it again. Got tired of resoldering separated cable ends. It does transfer signals better.
I make my own: Just get good quality bulk cable and good quality connectors and you're good to go. Most "bad" cables are those that are made with poor quality components that break down under constant use. Capacitance issues don't really impact the overall sound unless you have longer (instrument) cable runs of more than 18.5 feet. I understand why you need top-notch cabling for FOH and such, but at some point you have to determine cost/benefit ratio when your a not a pro out there on the road.
LOL biting cables and game o thrones . . . Runaway cables are on my list, you are the second youtube to give them high reviews.
Not a fan old school coil telephone head / handset receiver cables that vintage guitar dudes love. Phone coils catch everything and have that spring back if at range . . . Wireless is funny sometimes it's like wifi internet. It works great and when it doesn't everyone knows. Or the pause / latency. Cables have been more reliable.
Speaking of cables, on the side feed there Andertons has a vid that says Magnatone Authentic American Valve, and THE BEST CLEAN TONE WE HAVE EVER HEARD. And you guys carry them. THe magnatone is on my list too . . . Dylan from Dylan talks tone mentioned runaway audio makes good cables.
After a gig a about 10 years ago there was a left over Mogami cable. It didn't belong to any of my band mates. I asked the few people who were left, and no. I still have it and it's my main cable.
I was shocked at the difference in tone between my cheap cables from the local shop compared to my sweet Ernie Ball's! I've always used fairly economic cables for years and figured it didn't matter. I'd been in studios and played live and all that. When I grabbed the EBs on sale, I could immediately tell the difference in quality physically. I did a lot of research and they had the thickest gauge cable wire. The audible difference was shocking. My old cables seemed to add a lot of high end and such while the EB cables are tight sounding and clean up the signal path significantly. I couldn't find other cables with nearly as heavy of a gauge. You could tell even with just one cable direct to my amp (all tube amd very dynamic). When you add in all 4 for a normal pedalboard setup, that's a LOT of noise reduction. Also, got them on sale for like $25,(norm $40) so still cheap!!
I play $30 D’Addario American Stage cables and I’ve not had to replace one in 2 years and they sound good too
The only bones I've broken are in my head. Lol
Also, Divine Noise cables are my absolute favorite super expensive cables. They sound great and they never die.
Jon what is the coolest place in Nashville to add to the regular shops that everyone visits
When I bought an acoustic amp back in the 90s, my uncle Neil (who'd been in a British pop group in the 70s) told me never to buy cheap leads; they'd break as soon as they were stepped on, he said.
Guitar cables all have some factor of impedance or resistance that can vary between cables. In general the longer the cable the more resistance it will have. I have heard that guitar cables also have some capacitance, but I have never measured that so can't verify that. But I do know a resistor and a capacitor make a filter that could filter out some of the frequencies in the guitar signal going to the amp. This can be good or bad depending on what you like. I can't tell, but Baxter might be hearing a real sound difference between cables.
Made in America. This is my new cable brand.
The Jury is still out. I am a new player 3 cables in my gear bag. Mogami(for my Bass), Fender(Acoustic/electric) and Pig Hog(335). Putting them through jam session/gigging hell down the road. I'll leave my 2 cents when the aforementioned is under my belt.
I've always paid more attention to durability rather than tonality. For the most part if its got Rean or Neutrik tips, its likely good enough for me. The tonality differences between two quality cables in proper working order always seemed negligible. Big fan of canare wire though. Markertek sells gs-6 for about $0.85/lf and you can make yourself a great cable with that + $6 in tips.
The thing that got me about Magami (back in the early 00s) is you could get them as an employee for like $11.
Can’t edit from my phone, lol, but I meant as a GC employee..
There’s really a difference between cables. I actually used cheap 20ft cables when I was playing Strats nearly exclusively although I usually ended up putting better ends on them the cheaper cables takes just a bit of high end off.
Take it from an old timer. A good lamp cord from your Home Depot. Nice thick copper. Make your own. Get a thicker copper for bass.
Whatever happened to those half-coiled/half-straight cables that were popular in the 80s? The Clash used them!
Whirlwinds
I do think cables do matter for quality over quantity. I have tried both. Sometimes the cheaper cables held up for years of use, but most of the times it doesn't. I have had an anomaly where an more expensive cable failed after a short period, but that was the exception then the rule for me at least. YMMV. The old adage mostly applies here: "buy once cry once."
Lo-Fi music/sounds have been very trendy lately. The funny part, for me at least, is how expensive their rigs can be. When you factor in the pedals, buffers, and cables it’s spooky enough how much the accessories cost. Budget amps/guitars have been pretty high quality lately too but you’ll see lofi rigs with some exclusive guitars worth a few grand.
I’ve been hanging onto my old gear and even bad cables just incase i need some authentic analog lofi sounds some day lol
But having good quality cables is nice(and power supply too). No surprise sounds/glitches in your signal. No need to explain to everyone you hear something that isn’t supposed to be there and look crazy.
D'Addario PW-AGLRA work great and at a good price. Never a problem
Check out Dylan talks tone, he was at their shop in Nashville good content.
What about lava cables? Or even a coiled vs a straight cable?
I think I can foresee the next show "Wireless - yes or no?"
My Rattlesnake cable is one the best gear purchases I've ever made
I use Klotz LaGrange cables. I've been very happy with them.
Not cheap, but not really expensive either.
I actually have a Dave Gilmour siren speaker cable, I'm in the good enough camp by and large that fact not withstanding lol! I have the same 25 ft George Ls that I made in the early 90s, EJ approved
"just shove it down into your gear bag and forget about it"... man that cuts deep. I recently threw away a massive rats nest of various cords cables and wires. My wife said she's never known anyone that has so many cords before. Thought about posting it for sale as a joke... massive wad of cords for sale, you untangle
Some . I love my mogami cables and I’m a 10 HC , I’ll get on a plane today
Do these compare to Divine Noise cables? I love those! Similarly made but in PDX.
Hi guys. Always wnate to know. What's the stores policies for cables. Do you replaced them when they dont work anymore i have a store in Mexico and i always have problems because the clients want us to replace them and the wholesalers don't give us warranty
I went wireless so many yrs ago. A cable would cripple me. I do got some Pighog or something like that brand new 15 ft. Hopefully they stay in the brand new packing.
Although I'm open to the possibility that a cable makes a little bit of difference, I don't really think it's enough to care about. I use whatever cables that happen to be laying around at home and an old Line 6 wireless when I play out. I just adjust the tone controls on my amp and make it sound the way I want it depending upon the room. Yeah, I'm a simpleton.
Check out Rattlesnake cables. 100% made in USA, they also use the dragon skin outer sheath, and their jack ends are amazing. Super high quality cables
Looks similar to Rattlesnake Cables Good stuff 👍
Use good to better quality cables. Here's a tip: if they are willing to offer a lifetime warranty, no questions asked, you are on the right track.
That's one extremely important piece of gear that will not let you down.
Cables with the silencer button - they make sense - beyond that - seasonal color matching maybe?
Or the mogami platinum cables....no need for a button. Grounds itself instantly with no noise. Love it!!
@@michaelhall5173 ahhh now that i must see! hear!
I with there was a 90 deg end that worked in a Tele socket...
Lava tweed makes me happy
I like decent cables, but i'm not doing the gold plated monster cable nonsense. Lava cables are about as high end as i go for an input cable. and thats mostly because i find the curly cables dont get tangled up as much. Patch cables , i usually go with hosa. idk if they are great quality or not but ive yet to have one fail.