Is Purdy an elite QB? Is Josh Allen unfairly criticized? I debate with Dan Orlovsky on First Take
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Is Purdy an elite QB? Is Josh Allen unfairly criticized? I debate with Dan Orlovsky on First Take
I joined First Take to discuss my thoughts on whether Brock Purdy is an elite quarterback and if Josh Allen is being unfairly criticized.
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Do you notice how a lot of ex QB's, either in the media or ones on RUclips that do film breakdown all praise Brock and all are extremely complimentary. And they all show film as to why he is playing at an Elite level.
That is all you need to know. Listen to them, they actually know they they're talking about.
I'm beginning to believe they mainstream media know they're getting lots of clicks and attention so they're just saying things like this A LOT now.
I’m a niners fan and I feel like purdy is an awesome quarterback, but he still has a lot of room to grow. He’s been great in the role he’s been given, but he’s not necessarily had to overcome a horrible situation around him. It’s important to remember this is barely his second year in the nfl and he has plenty of time to improve and expand his game!
The 49ers don't have the time to Worry about coming from behind in most cases, they are just that good!
Why would they? Their Super Bowl window is Closing, with the same Team, within 2-3 years... especially when Brocks Rookie Deal Ends!
Brock is Winning a Super Bowl! I see it!
You being a 49er Fan don't see "THE IT FACTOR!" in Brock!?
Wowwwwwwww! After all the QB's that Kyle have brought in, even after Steve Young Retired in 1999 = 24 years... and they all could not get over the Hump, running Kyles Offense, and Winning the Super Bowl via JimmyG.
We and the 49ers, seen Many Losses and Interceptions with all of them? Where are they all at this very moment... 🤔💭❓
Yeah, the sample size is just too small to say whether he's elite or not. The guy barely has a full season worth of games under his belt. That also makes it really impressive how well he's playing in just his second year, first as a starter, and coming of a bad injury. He's obviously talented, so the people who try to completely discredit him are just being weird trolls.
@@BuckNasty167 yeah it's crazy that everyone forgot he's coming straight off of a significant injury lol
Speak them facts
His throws to Aiyuk in the Seahawks 4th quarter & Kittle in the Jaguars game (when pressured) definitely were transcending the situation imo.
Not saying he does that every single throw, but the number of those kind of throws he’s been making has been growing over time
Not every Montana pass, game, and season was a banger -- just saying.
@@caiusKeys the throw to kittles should have been a pick a very ill-advised throw
@@fosev47is “should’ve” a real stat or nah?
@The24maverick did I say it was a stat someone said that it was a transcending throw which is false so get your panties all out a not buddy
@@fosev47how can you say that “should have” been a pick when it was thrown in the perfect placement in perfect motion to kittle? That’s such a laughable take.
Purdy is 23 and has started one seasons worth of games. He's leading the league in pretty near every meaningful metric when it comes to QB play. The fact this is even a discussion shows how good this kid really is.
In both the Vikings game and the Bengals game while the run game wasn't working and the defense was playing like one of the worst in the league, Purdy carried the 49ers and was entire the reason they were even competitive in either game. Purdy was having a phenomenal game against the Vikings right up until the moment he got concussed.
I really wish these talking heads would understand that. I mean he lead the team in rushing vs CIncy. He is NOT a running QB. The dude accounted for over 410 yards of the teams 460 in that game. With out him, Niners get mopped by both Minny and CIncy.
@@byronsmith3152 They never will though. Because they only understand that he's a 7th round pick who shouldn't even be here. He threw 4 INTs in two games and the Niners lost because of it. That's all they care about. It helps them with their takes, because they're too lazy to come up with any kind of legitimate analysis.
LOL Josh Allen is elite and Brick Purdy isn't. I wouldn't take Josh Allen and a first round pick for Brock Purdy.Josh Allen is completely overrated.
Mina hates the 49ers that’s why she hating on Brock 🤦🏽♂️
Tell me you don’t know or understand the QB position without telling me you don’t know or understand the QB position.
Underestimating Brock has not gone well for you. Still got the Seahawks winning the division?
Oh, and your Dak > Purdy take will also look bad in time
Dak Prescott would not make the 49ers offense better. Sure Dak has a cannon and can scramble... but I would take BPs decision making and anticipation throws over Daks arm.
😂😂😂 you sound stupid they have the prudy has 6 pick and dak has 5 and throw the ball way more than prudy mina was right Dak right now is better than prudy its because of experience thats all we have to see him do it consistently they kill dak for only winning regular season games but praising prudy makes no sense
And Dak crumples under pressure. Purdy does not
@@ridleymain9234 except for those 3 games huh 😏 🤔 brah just got to the league and yal talking like he got 5 playoffs wins
I trust BP's tight window throws over DP.
@@fosev47Purdy has 2 playoff wins. How many does Dak have?
The Mina Kimes & Lenny channel getting me to watch a First Take segment. Well done ESPN (and Lenny), well done
Mina is dumb as hell. She knows absolutely nothing about football. She’s briefed before every episode by an nfl guy. Espn is trying so hard to make a female an nfl expert. She’s also racist af towards white players
I can’t believe she said Dak would take this offense to another level😂😂
No
He would tho so whst you mean
on a worse level yep@@fosev47
@@fosev47 nah dak wouldn't be good in SF offense
Dak definitely would take that offense to another level
3 losses more an issue with defense and having less rest than the other team. 😊
I clicked on the video because I thought it was a debate about Purdy, then I saw these two women giving commentary and realize this was a parody account. You got me!
She just said Hurts is elite yet has only had 1, great year and is in the middle of an solid year, but certainly not great at all. This is what makes me mad. Hurts can be elite after a great year but noit purdy (which I agree with as being elite means doing it over and over again). I really wish they would think before they speak since they are the sports media after all.
“Mina who”- Jeff Garcia
Niners were 8-11 on 3rd down last game against arguably the best team in the NFL. Someone really needs to watch games to be an analyst smh
I’m gonna be honest. I don’t think these people watch tape of Brock. They watch ESPN highlights. No disrespect but, they have no idea what they’re talking about.
There are more than "3 or 4" elite QBs, and you putting Jalen Hurts in that category makes every point laughable. When you "watch the film" bring along someone who actually knows what they are seeing.
Brock Purdy ranks through Week 13:
#1 in Completion Rate
#1 in Yards per Attempt
#1 in Passer Rating
#1 in QBR
#1 in Adjusted EPA per Play
#1 in Success Rate
#1 in DVOA
#4 in Touchdowns
#7 in Passing Yards
Haters will HATE!!
What I find funny is that he has almost 100 less passing attempts yet is up there in yards. Meanwhile he is like 7th for YAC yards, lol. But hey, he only throws short passes the others take to the house. Speaking of YAC, funny how BA, the teams leading WR is not even ranked in the top 25 in YAC, yet is top 10 in yards and #2 in yards per catch. Must be all those yac yards hahaha.
If Purdy was drafted in the 1st round nobody would be having this conversation but because he's Mr. Irrelevant people can't accept he's really good
So when the 9ers wins is Kyle but when they lost is Brock?
Some people think being great is being great at backyard ball, running around and ignoring scheme, taking crazy chances, and occasionally making a highlight reel throw. Purdy may or may not be great at that, and we won’t know because that’s not how the 49ers play. Instead, they play the type of ball that leads to WINNING. Purdy is masterful at executing schemes precisely, reading the field and making lightning quick decisions, getting the ball out accurately and decisively. This is the formula that consistently wins games in a West Coast system. The master QBs who won a lot were named Montana and Brady, and Purdy is definitely in that mould.
How can you say he doesn't have the brain power or ability to break down a defense when hall of fame QBs have expressed how impressive it is that this guy reads defenses pre and post snap extremely fast and continually makes the right decisions. He doesn't wow people because he makesnit easy.
Yeah this chick shows her lack of brain power with that comment. The dude reads defenses at an elite level. It is mind boggling she made that statement.
Because she never played the game and doesn't really watch film or understand how to play the position. I would throw myself there too, I don't entirely know what makes Brock as good as he has been, but I also don't go on national TV and spout nonsense.
"I wouldn't put him with the Mahomeses and Allens and Hurtses of the world" I wouldn't either.
- Allen is a turnover machine. Purdy is not.
- Hurts is having a bad O scheme this year and if his D doesn't show up and his top players aren't available, he suffers. He relies heavily on his physicality and often makes bone-headed mistakes throwing the ball. Purdy does not.
- Mahomes is having only Kelce as a weapon and see how he's doing. If the argument is Purdy only plays well because of his weapons, so does Mahomes then.
Purdy is still struggling when facing great secondaries (and that's 200% fine, he's pretty much a rookie. This week was his 22nd NFL start). That's where all the Niners losses this year come from; if your D takes Purdy out of the game, the Niners lose.
And Shanahan himself has talked in press conferences how Purdy is going above his playcall and doing unexpected stuff. He's having 4 receivers with 1k yds and beating the franchise QB records left and right. He is elevating his team immensely. Playoff clutch play? He has the same number of playoff wins as Dak Prescott. Prescott is playing in the NFL for 8 years.
So by her own definition, Purdy is elite. And he's even better than the guys she mentioned as elite.
Mina, another Brock hater. Look at the stats of the categories he is leading in. He is elite.
The 49ers are averaging 29.3 points per game
How do you do that without solving a defense?
Yeah this woman is bitter because he shreds her beloved seachickens.
You gotta win a MVP and maybe a Superbowl (at least get there) before you can be considered elite. 2 elite QB's in league and ones hurt. Pump the brakes on calling guys elite. It's a honour that needs to be earned and not easy.
I agree here. What I think gets misunderstood is that saying he is playing at an elite level to these people and fans is that he is elite. There is a difference and I think that is Dan's point. Brock's processing and accuracy are at an elite level, which is why he is playing so well. He has to do that for a couple of years before he is labeled elite.
I agree with Dan Orlovsky, but some people have a different definition of the word elite as it pertains to an NFL QB. I say this though, time will tell. Some refuse to call Purdy elite because of his draft position, but if Purdy continues to ascend and keeps adding to his resume, calling him Elite will be undeniable.
Exactly. The people that speak out against Purdy fail to understand the difference between calling him elite and saying he is playing at an elite level. They hear elite and their brain melts. Just like mentioning Brady and where he was drafted. Brain melt down , lol.
He is the best processor of everyone she mentioned. He had an average per attempt of 9.9 yards. That means he averages a first down on every throw. She clueless.
Mina is an awesome analyst.
Purdy was 3-0 without deebo last year with broken ribs
Dan 🎯💯
Hell no
@fosev47 facts. A hell f--- no. He only holds dak accountable and don't hold Josh Allen or anyone else accountable. At the end of the day, he turns the ball over. Hell of a QB, but giving to the other team, u can't do that. Because if it was Dak, he would s--- on him.
Dan Orlovsky who played the position is trying to explain and educate Mina and the gals on why Brock Purdy is The MVP front runner on the betting odds but she wants to stick to the regurgitated narratives and hypotheticals instead of admitting she's flat out wrong. Kyle's offense is not a "Friendly QB System" they way people think it is.. listen to all the QBs that played under Kyle's system, its extremely difficult and not for the faint of heart plus Kyle is hard on his QBs he likes to micro manage a lot.. and just like Orlovsky said Brock is the best QB that Kyle has ever had and that includes Matt Ryan and RG3 just look at the advanced metrics of Brock vs all the QBs that played under Kyle not only as a head coach but as a Coordinator.
Well said.
It's funny that the ammo used against Purdy is basically, "The coaching staff acquires talent and scheme to well" for Purdy to be this good.
Patrick Mahomes is LOSING without his playmakers!? Does that make Mahomes a "Good" QB instead of an "Elite" QB? The answer is Mahomes is STILL ELITE.
Brock Purdy is playing behind an O-line that's in the bottom half of the league, WITH the Best Left Tackle in football. And he is slaying the QB stats. 😳 So tell me what that O-line is without Trent Williams? Bottom 5, O-line? So how is Purdy being blamed for that O-line collapsing on him with consistency? Literally no QB is good, let alone great, with bad O-line play. And Purdy did enough to win 2 of those losses. The Kicker missed in Cleveland. And the Defense let the whole damn team down for three straight games. Something that they admitted to, and then fixed, coming out of the Bi-week.
Dak and Hurts both got pressured by the 49ers and they looked like bottom feeders. That's how the O-line to QB relationship works. QB's that get pressured and sacked have horrible games.
An average quarterback back on an elite roster does not make him elite.
So, up front, a Cowboys fan, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I think Mina is right: the opinion does not have to be binary. If you don’t think Purdy is elite, that doesn’t mean he is trash. I think we go down that road too often, and it is a false choice. Having said that, let’s be honest: Purdy’s offense boat raced the Cowboys and then he went and Cowboy’s the Eagles. He is very, very, good. And his offense is out of sight. Elite? I don’t know yet, I think we need more time, but I do believe this: the NFL is going to have to contend with him for a long time and he will probably be elite.
I’m dumber for watching this.
Does Mina Kimes even fully watch 49ers games or does she only watch RedZone clips? I know West Coast games aren't shown on the East Coast. Purdy isn't just some dink and dunker being carried by his teammates.. he pushes the ball down field and goes for the bigger plays most of the time if it's there to be made. He leads the league in yards per attempt(9.6) and completions(70.2%) --and before anybody says that those are mostly YAC yards, STOP those are air yards per attempt. Brock's YAC yards are coming from 48.6% of his passes which is LESS than the 3 previous MVP winners.
2020 Aaron Rodgers 52.2%
2021 Aaron Rodgers 52.7%
2022 Patrick Mahomes 54.3%
Brock Purdy leads all Quarterbacks in the following Statistics:
Passer Rating
Yards per Attempt
Yards per Completed Passes
Adjusted Yards per Attempt
Net Yards per Attempt
Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt
Completion Percentage
Touchdown Percentage
QBR
Passer Rating Success
Expected Points Added per Dropback
Total EPA
The only 2 categories he doesn't lead the NFL in right now are Passing Yards (CJ Stroud) and Passing Touchdowns (Dak Prescott) those 2 stats were deemed NOT good enough to evaluate who should be MVP.. which is why all these advanced metrics were invented in the first place. There is absolutely established precedent that anyone who does what Brock Purdy is doing, have won MVP that year.
The real reason why Mina and so many others such as Nick Wright won't see him as such is because of his draft status.. Pick #262 7th Round Mr. Irrelevant. Watch the tape for the tape doesn't lie. People who played the position(Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Kurt Warner, JT O'Sullivan, Chase Daniel, Dan Orlovsky, etc.) knows what they're seeing in Brock where as people like Mina Kimes and Nick Wright doesn't because they never played the position and doesn't know what to look at when evaluating a QB. They only consider being "elite" if you have the measurables. Was Drew Brees not elite? He's shorter than Purdy and didn't have a huge arm as well. What makes Brock Purdy "Elite" is his processsing skills, quick desicion making, reading defenses, throwing accurate passes with aticipation and his quick short area burst. He does this on a consistent basis which explains his Advanced Metrics and if those mathematical statistics isn't enough, then watch his games in full not just RedZone highlights.. he passes the eye test as well.
Great job Mina I’m a big fan I respect your point of view you’re very accurate on your assessments.
She doesn't have a clue.
@@rodneysmith9177 oh, and you do.?
Speak for yourself, Man I find her to be highly credible and respectable specially compared to the other clown shows on ESPN
They want to keep bringing up Brock not making the plays needed during the 3 losses. Where was Dak when the cowboys needed him to make plays against the 49ers and eagles? Better yet, how about when Dak needed to make plays against the 3-10 cardinals?
I'm disappointed in Mina Kimes' analysis. If you watch Purdy play he is absolutely making elite throws and placing the ball in windows that very few other QB's could achieve.
The top O'lines are Eagles, Cowboys, Chiefs. Purdy plays behind a #9 O'line and is blowing away Hurts, Dak, Patrick in QBR
The #9 ranking is based on running as well. They rank near the bottom 3rd in pass blocking.
Which QB is.....
-3rd in total yds (3553)
-1st in completion percentage (Jake Browning is nice, but 2 games don't mean shiznit) w/ 70.2%
-1st in Average Passing Yards (9.9 yds)
-- and because I already hear the "but Niners are THIRD IN YAC" (Patrick Mahomes is 1st in YAC, Yua 2nd, BTW)
-- 2nd in AIR YARDS PER PASS
-1rst in 1st, 2nd, 3rd AND 4th down conversions (as a team, admittedly)
-1rst in pass plays that go over 20 yds
-1st in pass plays that go over 40 yds
-3rd in TD passes
-76th in Interceptions (higher is good here)
-1st in QBR
-1st in Passer Rating
-while only being 22nd in Pass Attempts (91 less attempts than Dak Prescott)
-1st in small window throws
All while operating behind an O-Line that is very good at run blocking, but near the bottom of the league in Pass Blocking.
Now step away from stats and WATCH THE FILM and see his touch on intermediate to long layered throws (like 2 of his obscene TDs to Aiyuk), his MANY DEEP BALLS (as proven by being SECOND IN THE NFL IN AIR YARDS), such as the TD pass to Deebo that traveled 48-49 yd in the air, and his unmatched anticipation, consistently throwing before his receiver make their breaks. And the REASON they are still 3rd in YAC despite being 2nd in Air Yards per Pass? (Aside from the Niners being more physical than everyone else)? Unlike many of these other QBs he is consistently hitting his receivers IN STRIDE, allowing them to add YAC. Why is Dak's YAC so low? Because he's not hitting them in stride. It's Catch and get tackled.
"3 GAME LOSING STREAK!!!"...
-Game 1: Cleveland. Literally Marches them into range to win the game with a CHIPSHOT FG (the Brady Formula). Idiot Kicker shanks it.
-Game 2: Minnesota. Plays fine, not great for 3 Qs (look at how Mahomes, Burrow, Tua, Herbert, etc all play when missing their best weapons. Good. Not great). Gets concussed, and throws 2 INTS after, to seal the loss.
-Game 3: Coming off a concussion, when many questioned if he should be back in so quick, he played a poor game against Joe Burrow's Bengals who were an absolute buzzsaw at the time, and their D-Coordinator, who is infamous for making Mahomes and Allen both look very Mortal. And he lost.
So realistically he genuinely could have ONE loss pinned on him, vs one of the hottest teams in the league. And they still didn't get they asses kicked as bad as the Cowboys and Jags and Eagles did to the Niners. When all three teams HAD their weapons.
Plz Mina. Put down the stats, call up Chase Daniels, JT Sullivan or a few others and watch their film breakdowns. You are too good at your job to give this surface level take.
If you put Hurts in the Elite category, then Purdy is Elite because he 2x better at playing traditional QB than Hurts.
But I wouldn't call Hurts Elite.
Mina hasn't seen the All-22 film from The QB School or Chase Daniels. He's making elite reads and throws
Poor Dan, who has to listen to the Opinions, of a Mina Kimes, who is like Nick Wright... of whom both Never Played a lick of Football, being a QB... but has the Audacity to say Brock isn't Elite!
A lot of NFL QB's who are retired, are seeing that he his, because Brock is doing what many Current NFL QB's, can't do, what he is doing Currently... being #1 in almost every NFL QB Statistic... and your seeing it... Every Weekend!
He learns from his Mistakes, and he took Ownership of them, after telling his Team, during their Bye Week. What is Brock doing now, since returning? Slicing and Dicing NFL Teams up! So I don't wanna hear it!!!
Dan comes across as a analyst that’s biased or stupid to say that we have no evidence of that
Success and championships don’t really count if the QB isn’t elite
Putting up 30+ is not solving defenses lol.
Brock Purdy has 4 games with a 140+ passer rating. 3 of those games were against playoff contenders. Eagles, Cowboys and Jags.
Dak currently has 1 game with a 140+ passer rating. That game was against the Commanders after they gave away all their pass rushers.
Somebody get the guy who actually played away from the minority hires.
Some of the people who know the NFL QB position the most intricately have the best things to say about Purdy (Dan O, Chase Daniel, JT OSullivan)
And the people who know the game the least intricately happen to be the most critical 😂
Mina and Dan are the most objective and knowledgeable analysts on the network.
Says the guy throwing passes from the sidelines
49ers fan here. Right now, there are only 4 QB I would take over BP. Mahomes, Stroud, Burrows, and Herbert.
LOL. What has Herbert done but get tons of yardage? Shroud is having a sweet year but like Brock, he needs to do it again. Mahomes is Mahiomes. Only a crazy person wouldn't select him with their #1 pick in anything hahaha.
2023 Purdy is better than every QB Shanahan has coached. There are a lot of bad ones, but I think he's eclipsed Jimmy, RGIII, Cousins, and Ryan this season. He's insanely efficient right now. There are several quarterbacks running a similar system right now and they aren't at his level.
Purdy's Adjusted EPA/DB is 0.383. No MVP QB since 2010 is better except 2011 Rodgers (0.413). Purdy the next 3 after Purdy are 2018 Mahomes (0.380), 2020 Rodgers (0.370), and 2013 Peyton (0.361). And Purdy might catch 2011 Rodgers as he continues to improve every week. The leader of each season has finished either 1st or 2nd in MVP voting in that period. The two times the leader finished 2nd in voting was Peterson's incredible season and Cam's 1-loss season. He's a full 0.1 pt per dropback ahead of Dak. Dak is currently at 0.274. The only MVPs lower are 2015 Cam (0.179) and 2017 Brady (0.261).
If the season ended today, he'd have the 5th highest passing DVOA ever. The guys in front of him? 04 Manning. MVP. 07 Brady. MVP. 84 Marino. MVP. 06 Manning. MVP runner-up to Tomlinson.
He's hitting up the all-time single-season leaderboards. QBR (32), Passer Rating (9), Cmp% (15), Yards per attempt (8), Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt (4). The last one, 10 of the top 12 are MVP winners. 1 is Purdy. The other is Nick Foles who only started 10 games that season (2013). he's 2nd in attempts in passes over 20 yard. He's 1st in attempts over 30 and 40 yards. He's first in completion percentage over all three distances. So it follows he's also first in air yards per attempt and air yard per completion.
Stack up the 49ers offensive roster with any of the other teams with MVP candidate QBs and really compare who has the most talented players. Count'em up. Miami. Stacked. Dallas. Stacked. Philly. Stacked. Go through the QB MVPs rosters. From Mahomes' Chiefs last year all the way back to the Kardiac Kids. So much talent around and in-front of those MVP QBs.
If we want to say it's the system, then why aren't those other QBs doing it? Not just Kyle's QBs. How many teams are running a flavor of the Shanahan WCO? How many teams are running some derivative of the OG Walsh's WCO? It's not just Shanahan with Purdy...
Mina Kimes is undoubtedly a very intelligent sports journalist indeed, but even though the comments made by Jeff Garcia a few years ago were inappropriate, there are moments where expresses some ridiculous opinions that might make one understand where Jeff Garcia was coming from. This clip is teeming with examples of that. Starting with her listing what makes an elite QB with terms that describe purdy to a Tee, and saying he doesn’t meet those standards makes me think she hasn’t seen the games and is just following talking points.
She denies orlovskys question if Brock had not made played that transcended the scheme, further suggesting my belief of her not watching the games.
She then tried using the fallacy of faulty comparison by bringing Jimmy garopolo into the argument.
And Then she started to stutter and looking and sounding like a deer in the headlights, and that’s when it got sad.
Staying that Purdy had not shown the mental ability, more specifically the Ability to process information when there is literally a whole published article in the athletic and picked up by the general media that reported Purdy’s extremely high scores on a test that measures a person’s ability to process information. Extremely high even among the Elite QBs.
Finally, when she continued to stutter and blamed that she didn’t know what the topics would be and blaming it on her maternity leave it hit the pause button.
This is on top of previous on air idiotic things she has done as of lately, like challenging and claiming Dan orlovsky, a professional former NFL Pro to a race, and that she would definitely win.
What was that five wins ago. What about Patrick mahomes he done lost 4
I agree with mina here. Purdy LOOKS elite because of the situation around him. Mahomes on this SF team would be breaking some kind of record(s). Burrow with this line probably makes this a super bowl lock of a team. Herbert is an MVP candidate on SF.
Purdy is a fine player. he's not elite.
LOL. This just proves how clueless you both are. You have to use the 2 elite QB's in the NFL to try and prove your point. That means YOU are saying Purdy is just below their level but above every one else. Then you bring up Herbert who has had extremely talented teams around him yet chokes all the time. Sorry but almost every MVP QB has had elite players on their team. There are a couple of exceptions but those are the exceptions.
You make the argument that he had three bad games, when you really actually look at the games he only had one bad game. You should watch the games. But if you also want to make that same argument, you got to look back to last season when Deebo and others were out and he was still balling. Over the stretch that he has been in the league, he is outplayed every NFL quarterback, and it's not even close.
You do this for a living lady? 😂😂
Nina is upset with any 49er still, because Jeff Garcia articulated her incompetence about the game
She doesn’t think Trent is great
Bosa is great … Nina dislikes all 49ers
You really need to watch football and understand it better
Brock MVP
Of course he is, he puts up record breaking numbers, has a great record, and for all intents and purposes he’s a rookie, having just played his 17th career game. The narratives against him are lazy, and frankly contradict the truth. His YAC yards is below league average and below poster boy Mahomes’, the years he won MVP.
He leads the league in most deep throw categories and air yards per attempt, so he’s pushing the ball down the field better than ANYONE this season. He also leads the league in tight window completion percentage. So he’s threading the needle.
He’s simply held to a higher level of scrutiny because pundits and evaluators have a hard time acknowledging greatness from lower picks, it doesn’t align with their evaluation. If Trey Lance did this, they’d call him Brady 2.0.
Speaking of which, even now, decades later, there is revisitionist history about Brady early. Oh he was carried by his defence. No, he wasn’t. At worst you could say he was his first season, but the notion he was his first couple of rings, is easily refuted by watching that Super Bowl and a Google search. Guy led the league in touchdowns year 2, and frankly was the driving force on that second superbowl, winning a shootout, breaking then Super Bowl records in the process I might add.
Point is, Brady is the GOAT, the same pundits that acknowledge that, still cling to the idea he grew into it and wasn’t polished early, because it doesn’t align with his draft stock. Same thing will happen here. I’m not saying brock will become Brady, but if they win it all this year, I’ve no doubt it will be spun as a team effort in which he was carried. And down the line they’ll talk about everyone else. Maybe by year 5-10 he might start to get credit and they’ll act as if this talent was product of years of coaching and couldn’t have been foreseen. No, you guys whiffed on him. Just like you whiffed on Brady. Shannon sharpe, Kurt Warner, and numerous other players.
Mina, i think you might want another take on Brock.
What else? He is the MVP front runner
Love it when a woman debates a Brock QB play, with a retired NFL QB. Like she freakin knows anything.. sorry Dan, you have to go thru that crap
It doesn’t matter what side of the argument you’re on. Brock gets the W no matter the opinion of sports media bc his name is all over these talking heads shows.
We don't trail people chase us.
Jalen Hurts is Elite? WOW
PURDY WILL NEVER GET CREDIT
Are Mahomes and Allen playing better than Purdy right now? Emphatically No!
She doesn’t even believe herself 😂
Purdy > Dak ... was obvious when they played head to head.
Dak has much better oline.
Mina is killing it. She's coming out the gate destroying Dan but i disagree with her take on Josh Allen and buffalo is definitely a 6-6 team
No she did not kill it lol. She said Brock couldn't process defense. That is as dumb a comment as you can make about Brock. He is one of if not the best at reading defenses in the entire league, lol. She also called Hurts elite. Yeah no. Saying Dak would operate this offense just as good f not better LMFAO> She has lost her mind.
Seriously, Go back on leave!
Dan makes so many silly faces. LOL. Purdy is doing a great job, is he a great QB? Yes. Is he elite? Top 5? For this style of offense, maybe. But if he was put on another team do his skills translate? Without the weapons? Regardless, 49ers have what they need with him and look great. He seems to be comfortable. In the league, he seems top half of the league for sure. But beyond that it is hard to know with all these weapons and protection.
I promise you he would thrive on teams like Miami, Green Bay, Rams, KC. I bet he would kill it in Dallas and Philly with those Olines too. But keep coming up with what ids, because reality says he ie performing as a top 5 in the game right now. That does not mean he is elite BTW.
I don’t seek validation from talking heads for what my eyes tell me every week. Brock is elite by every metric. Since when did we start holding a teams roster AGAINST a player on said rosters production. It’s a team sport, not an individual one. This is just arguing for the sake of arguing & it’s idiotic. I guess Joe Montana didn’t have Rice, Taylor, Clark, Jones, Craig, Solomon & a kick ass offensive line…nope I guess he just did it all by himself huh? Make it make sense! Because I don’t hear anyone arguing he had all that talent yet he wasn’t elite
Why do Kimberly always have a attitude
She thinks Dak would be better in San Fran. Wow. That is genuinely lazy. There are at least 3 problems and perhaps she's aware of them. Shanahan's system is way more complex than McCarthy's. Daks no longer mobile. He's a straight pocket passer. And because of that he'd get smoked behind the Niners O-line. He wouldn't have the luxury, like he does in Dallas, of standing there waiting for Lamb to get open. It's gotta be really nice to just make assertions without reasons. This was almost as bad as Cowherds hat thing or anything Florio says. Lol. Almost.
Did you watch the three games Mina?
Mina is the female version of Nick WRONG 🤪
He's a second year sixth rounder, yes playing well, yes lot's of potential but it takes alot to truly be elite and I'm not saying he needs a ring to prove it, Dan Marino was an elite QB, consistent standards and mental evolution mark the elite. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
He was a 7th round pick and it takes years to become elite. However, she stated that Hurts was elite even though he has only had 1 great statistical year and is having a good year this year. So her definition of elite is purely based on physical gifts and no0t anything else.
Josh Allen is not elite!!!
He's a turnover Waiting to happen.
lol, but Mahomes is? Lamar? Hurts? Allen’s turnovers are on Hail Marys and 3rd and long. And all those others guys have 1-3 less. Grow up
@@nfccturf Grow up?
REALLY!!!
IN 2021&2022 YOUR BOY JOSH HAD 50 TURNOVERS!
50!!!!
LOOK IT UP.
Per Colin Cowerd Brock Purdy is not an elite QB because he’s wearing his hat backward 🤪🤣😂
I like Dan O. I gotta say, though, twice today alone I've seen him argue a point, then lay out other points that end up making me disagree with his original argument.
I love you Mina but Dak will struggle in this 49er offense
Dinner and dunk king? He's not elite. Take away Deebo and he's Bailey zappe
Mina is a die hard Seahawks fan...So she's not going to talk positive about any 49er.
Purdy looks amazing. But he got 3 all pros on his team lol. So s--- is gone be easy. Like cmon yall. Remember when Lamar Jackson name came up for San Fran?????? They are amazing. And Josh Allen leads the lead in turnovers since he came in, how come Dak get s---ed on and Josh Allen gets a pass????????????
How?
If at the beginning of the year Josh Allen and Brock purdy flip-flopped teams and everything else was the same... Josh Allen and The Niners would be undefeated or maybe lost one game all season and Brock Purdy with the Bills would maybe be 3-6
You do not know that. Allen makes too many mistakes to function in the Niner offense. Just because he can run and has a big arm does not mean he is accurate and can make quick reads. If anything, he has not shown he can do that at all. He has shown that he can throw bombs to one of the best receivers in the NFL though on a rope.
@@byronsmith3152 Allen and the turnovers are blown way out of proportion. Sure he leads the league in interceptions But a lot of them are just bombs down the field on 3rd and Long's because he has no time in the pocket cuz the offensive line is so bad so they might as well just be punts. And Josh Allen doesn't have nearly the amount of weapons as the 49ers or the coach And he still leads the league in touchdowns both passing and rushing. And Josh Allen has the second best touchdown to turnover ratio and the league behind Dak Prescott. That means that if everybody else scored the same amount of touchdowns as Josh Allen they would have even more interceptions than he does. Allen's turnovers didn't cost him that game when the defense couldn't make a stop against the Patriots, Josh Allen's turnovers didn't cost them when they had too many men on the field against the Broncos, Josh Allen's turnovers didn't cost them that game against Philly when the defense couldn't stop them in overtime.
@@andrewlaughlin9796 Is he throwing the picks or not? Enough said. I understand what you are trying to say but it does not change the stats and my point. OH and Brock has a better rating than Dak, lol. Oh and your numbers are off because Allen has thrown less TD's than Dak. Yes he leads in toital TD's but you can;t count total vs int's as rushing td's have zero chance of being intercepted. Other wise you would have to add in fumbles and then his numbers look very bad.
@@byronsmith3152 I'm not trying to take anything away that Brock Purdy has done. What he has done for this team is incredible especially being Mr irrelevant. That being said he was drafted into one of the best systems offensively in the league He's just a part of the system. Josh Allen is the system, he is the entire offense for the Buffalo Bills. Josh Allen doesn't have nearly the amount of weapons but he has more passing yards, more passing yards per game, more passing touchdowns, more rushing touchdowns, just 2 percentage points last and completion percentage but Josh Allen has also thrown the ball literally a hundred more times than Purdy. You're delusional if you think the team wouldn't be better with Allen as the quarterback instead of Purdy. There are a lot of guys that if they played over there the team would be better
@@andrewlaughlin9796 See your point fails because so was Mahomes. You can't knock him for the team around him. If HE is the one making them perform better, then it is him that deserves credit. The Niners have not looked this good on offense for a very very long time, and that is a fact.
I mean, if Dak, Mahomes, Allen, and Hurts are in the elite category, and Purdy is outperforming them in almost every metric, then this can only be about perception and biases. And none of those perceived as elite can play well behind a Niners oline without Trent. Dak would look like he did in weeks 3 and 5, Hurts in 6 and 13, Mahomes in 8 and 13, and Allen in 1 and 9. They've all had really, really bad games this season, and Mahomes and Purdy are the only ones who didn't throw three picks in one game.
Football is a team sport. Unless you think Purdy is a better qb than all of those guys
@@xcwilliams7980 I think he should be considered their peers. I'm not sure he's better than them, but I think he might be.
Why are you so care about pick numbers? For example, Jalen had no picks vs 49ers and Dak had three, but when you review these two games, you can't say Jalen's performance is better than Dak. By the way, Brock Purdy had three picks on Cincinnati, the third pick is cancelled by roughing the passer call.
@@songlin2798 I mean, if we're going to include picks taken off the books by penalties, you're going to have to include them for the other QBs, too. If it makes you feel better, Dak's INT% is slightly lower than Purdy's. And Dak's performance is objectively worse than Hurts'. Look at the numbers. 1 TD, 3 INTs, 3 sacks, 153 yards vs 1 TD, 0 INTs, 3 sacks, 298 yards. He still had a 300 yard game and the Niners had to play contain instead of the typical dominance reserved for most teams that don't win in the playoffs.
😂😂😂you aint been watching football obviously because at the beginning of the year and all last year dak was running for his life. Prudy has one of the best runnibg games if not the best running games in the league but yall dont wanna mention that tho huh
This takes me back to everyone praising Dan Marino and saying Joe Montana is average back in the day . History tends to repeat itself . What was the outcome between the two QBs of that Super Bowl and overall career . And side note Mina you’re hot 🥰😍😘😘
Mahomes was the 2018 NFL MVP in his first full season as a starter. The Chiefs lost the AFC championship game. 12 INT's for the season. Record 12-4. Brock has lost only 3 games as of now, which he didn't play defense on. Only has 6 INT's as of now. By these standards Mahomes should not have been MVP.
wins are not a QB stat
forgetting the 50 tds and 5000 yards
@@joshuahartman2555😂😂 dude is tweaking
@@juanvera3594 Well they keep blaming brock for 3 straight loses.
She has no clue!! Brock is everything Kyle wants in a QB People like her thinks it’s easy to run Kyle’s offense. What Purdy has over Allen and Dak is being an elite processor. Kyle would lose his hair with Allen and Dak being inconsistent, holding the ball too long and throwing picks. Listen to people who know like Mike Martz and Kurt Warner talk about Purdy not people who have limited football knowledge.
Josh Allen isn’t an Elite QB imo…but no one cares about that and I know this;
Kines is just sounding like a hater just like Nick Wrong
Purdy is being helped by Shanahan’s offense. So is McCaffery, Deebo, Kittle, and Aiuke!
Watch how Purdy improvises. Smfh
IDK why espn chooses to hire people like. I can Tell you did watch the NFC championship game. You also didn't watch the 3 games where he still gave the team a chance to win. I personally would be embarrassed to be you considering how little you know about the game. Stick to interviewing players and looking pretty on camera. something you're qualified for and let experts speak at the adult dinner table.