Levels of Suicidal Ideation

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  • Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
  • This video was recorded for PSYC 383 Psychology of Suicide at Azusa Pacific University with Curtis Lehmann, Ph.D.

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  • @crediblecat7498
    @crediblecat7498 Год назад +13

    Level 4 club! Woot! 🎉

  • @swankytable84
    @swankytable84 Год назад +4

    Solid four. No plan but potential ways and potential times.

  • @jodiecatlin3790
    @jodiecatlin3790 2 года назад +10

    Informative. Waking up is disappointing. Thankyou.

  • @pablogonzales20
    @pablogonzales20 Год назад +3

    sitting at 4 🙂 im fighting but the extreme levels of happiness then random depression is crippling me weed is helping me but it’s helping less and less

  • @miapepin7259
    @miapepin7259 Год назад +7

    I’m at level 5 so wish you all luck hope your doing better I’m not so I’m currently writing notes for family only and giving my stuff away

    • @autodidact2289
      @autodidact2289 Год назад

      Mia, are you okay?

    • @sazude2
      @sazude2 Год назад

      Yea, I'm at 4 i think. I really don't care about life or wanna care right now. The world sucks and it makes no sense to live.

    • @urbansetter1
      @urbansetter1 Год назад

      Im at 4. Ive been working on this for decades. I would never go to a hospital. This shit is from childhoid trauma shame guilt self hate isolation theres no answer. Psyche drugs are so toxic they dont take away shame and self hate. They numbe you and cause disease. If a person wants out they should be assisted. Nothing wrong with ending your life if your soul is tortured and they should stop lying that it gets better. You have cptsd or bp or bpd or severe depression thats all from trauma and none of it is healable. They need to stop with the lies. Therapy and psychiatry is a racket. They are making thousands off of vulnerable ppl

  • @DreamNLego.
    @DreamNLego. Год назад +5

    4-5 for me, mainly on 4 tho

  • @jesserealvazquez1210
    @jesserealvazquez1210 2 года назад +7

    I’m at 5 lost my girl just totaled my car with no insurance my family is all dealing with natural circumstances which hurts cause the pain of loseing them is unbearable ironically and I feel like I’ve pushed all my friends away by telling them how I feel like one of my friends I told about my situation is slumming it with my ex and whenever I talk to a therapist I feel like there just there to be paid with cooking cutter anwsers and I’ve called the suicide hotline they call the cops on you and going away for some time will only make my bills get bigger and bigger unless I do it I know people care and I’m fighting like hell but to keep it real I feel like I’m losing this battle and one day I’m afraid I’m gonna lose this strength and just cave in it’s a rough road and an ongoing battle with myself I’ve read the books I’ve been admitted I’ve looked for purpose but staring at the mountain can be exhausting feel like I’ve lived a Good life I’m 28 and it sucks cause I had it all and put myself in most of these positions

    • @linajoynyc
      @linajoynyc Год назад

      I hope you’re ok- please hang in there

    • @booleah6357
      @booleah6357 Год назад +1

      I feel your pain with reaching out. It always feels like as soon as you even mention you feel suicidal, people start treating you like your crazy. I was scared I'd get put in an asylum or something from horror stories I heard as well when I called the hotline a while back and they didn't call the cops but they did feel like they were just reading off a script. This was after they put me on hold of course during a really bad breakdown. I know it sucks.

    • @oceanofrose
      @oceanofrose Год назад

      I’m so sorry, I hope ur doing okay now but I’m worried ur not :( there are many reasons why u wouldn’t want to ask for help I know but try to, I hope that things get better if they didn’t already

    • @justsomedude1593
      @justsomedude1593 Год назад +1

      You should do it if yiu have the will to life isnt fucking worth it at all especially after something like that i wish i had the guts to end it all

  • @halmond8713
    @halmond8713 11 месяцев назад +1

    I think there is things that should be considered with this kind of scales. It never is this clear when you are working with people. And I really hope that this is taught for all who work in medical field. Just because you are in level 1 it doesn't mean that you will move through all the levels before you are on level 5. And when you are on level one you can already have clear plan what you will do if things go enough south. I have jumped from level one to level five in seconds when something has happened.
    I'm now in place where I have started to move myself away from this kind of solutions but I have traveled with it from my teen years till now. Almost 4 decades so this comes from experience. You should never think that if someone is on level one that there is no risk or that the low risk is any kind of safe zone. It's not because things can escalate really fast from things that may look for you like they are nothing. But for that person it can be the thing that tipped the boat over.
    I think it would be good to talk about this more because when you are on level one it can be hard to talk about it even with your therapist. It's not something that you naturally want to bring up because when you talk about suicidal thoughts it is not always reserved the best way with nurses and doctors. How to talk about it with the patients should be part of the education because I'm sure that would save some lives. It takes just one bad experience as patient to shut you with the topic with everyone else too. And then it takes years before you are able to bring it up even in safe treatment invironments. That grows the risk with things escalating a lot.
    And people if you suffer from this. Please try to find the right therapist for you. It may take time but I promise it is worth it. You will only see the things you would have missed if you keep trying and waking up to the next day. And those things can be so wonderful that when you get there you are so happy that you didn't give up. It's not always easy even then but it is worth it. 💚
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  • @mirmirs
    @mirmirs 2 года назад +4

    Sat between level 2 and 3 right now

  • @timmartin6091
    @timmartin6091 Год назад +9

    Some years ago, I almost took my own life. I was abused when I was a kid, broken, depressed, anorexic, bulimic, self-harming. suicidal. My biological father choked me and chased me with the lawnmower as if her was gonna run me over, I went in & out of psychiatric units like it was a game of Chess. Suicide watch. I was on enough Antidepressants to kill a horse since i was 12. I hated myself. I wanted out. I wanted the pain to stop. The abuse to end
    I wanted power. I got into witchcraft. I thought it would give me the identity i wanted, to be set apart from people who hurt me. It only made me sicker. Sicker. Thats what it did to me.
    The doctors said i’d never get well. That i would suffer severe Chronic Manic depression, and never be well, that id be stuck on antidepressants all of my life.
    I would plot suicide on a daily basis, binging and purging my food as often as opening and closing a door. The pain was too real. People choked me. Assaulted me. Told me i was ugly, told me to apologize to him for every year i was alive. i felt worthless. Nothing ever got better. Then my mother died. The (1) & only soul who ever loved /emotionally supported me was removed from the earth. I was stuck living with people who broke me, ruined my identity, thus causing me to hate God. I thought God hated me, that he was just like the ones who tortured me, a family of abusers, who cover up all their actions with the mask of religion. I didnt know that God is on my side. I didnt know that Jesus would Love and Defend me, and fight for me and that He later would heal me, rescue me from Family. The ones who caused me pain. The ones who choked me for wearing a pagan necklace.
    I moved out after family threatened to throw all my belongings on the front yard, and have me permanently institutionalized in an insane asylum, when they were the ones who caused my mental illness via abuse.
    They blamed me for the abuse they did to me.
    To take my life in a psychiatric unit aka insane asylum when they were the ones who made me suicidal.
    Next morning i moved in with my dead mom’s parents.
    I stayed on the antidepressants, prescribed. But they only made me sicker. I got deeper and deeper into witchcraft, thinking it was a solution. But it made me even more suicidal. Self hatred was inescapable. All my cards have fallen down. I have nothing left. But out. I wanted out.
    I decided i was going to kill myself. I was going to take all my pills.
    But then Jesus stepped in. I didnt die. I surrendered my life to Jesus to make me well and heal me.
    The deity i blamed for me being abused wanted to heal me. He Was fighting for me and Loved me all along.
    He wanted to love me. He wanted to give me a new heart. His Heart.
    Jesus miraculously healed me - i am off all the drugs and dont need them and i dont have any mental illnesses. I am totally healed , full of joy.
    I’m now a born again Christian.
    I want ALL y’all to know that JESUS IS ON YOUR SIDE
    HE’s FIGHTING FOR you.
    Don’t believe me?
    Just WATCH WHAT HE WILL DO FOR YOU NEXT

    • @Gypsymommarose347
      @Gypsymommarose347 Год назад

      ❤️🙏🏼💜🙌🏼

    • @yeshuaistheking
      @yeshuaistheking Год назад

      Jesus is the Lord

    • @jesusjr5364
      @jesusjr5364 Год назад +1

      Is jesus really real? Im going through skme stuff and i feel all alone people always talk about jesus but i feel betrayed i didnt even ask to be born my whole life is full of emotional pain idk what to believe in 💔

  • @Tokahontes
    @Tokahontes 2 года назад +13

    I'm sitting on 4 and honestly I don't want to spend the rest of my life battling depression and SI. Idc about the future anymore and I've already purchased enough heroine to OD. When I'm going to do it idk but I feel it will be soon but who cares anymore I know I dont

    • @curtislehmann8702
      @curtislehmann8702  2 года назад +3

      I encourage you to call the Suicide Prevention Hotline at 1-800-273-8255. They can help you find effective treatment in your area to get help. There's options that can relieve your depression and help you find reasons to live.

    • @cynsrsly1545
      @cynsrsly1545 Год назад +7

      @@curtislehmann8702 , the issue I find with calling in to a help line is that they will throw you in a hospital and sedate you. No counseling and just meds along with isolation. However when they have group time the unstable patients cause havoc with violence. I’ve tried that and I’m at a 4 and inching closer to 5. I’m just tired, drained and hopeless.

    • @thedarkechoes1236
      @thedarkechoes1236 Год назад

      I hope you feel better

    • @Gypsymommarose347
      @Gypsymommarose347 Год назад +3

      I didn't think anyone cared about me. I've actually felt like a burden to my family. I have kids so I figured wait til their older. I'm a Christian and God basically told me so what if no one cares do you care for you? Live your life even if it's by yourself. Find something you enjoy if you can. Volunteer at an animal shelter. We need to get active. My dog and cat are keeping me going. My youngest son recently went with his father. This was a big blow for me. God is showing me how to live for myself and how to love myself. It's a work in progress. Some days are better. On the bad days I remember that I have purpose and to go easy on myself. ❤️🙏🏼💜

    • @curtislehmann8702
      @curtislehmann8702  Год назад

      @@cynsrsly1545 One of the unfortunate realities is that fear of involuntary hospitalization is a leading barrier to help-seeking. And it's partly for good reason, because involuntary hospitalization doesn't reduce suicidality for most people, in might even make it worse in some cases. I'm a strong believer in providing people with autonomy and that means letting them make decisions on their care. And that's based on solid evidence - the leading experts on suicide prevention argue that most cases where people are struggling with suicidal thoughts should be handled on an outpatient basis. I don't know how the suicide hotline makes these sorts of decisions but I think involuntary hospitalization should be reserved only for those imminently suicidal - if they would likely attempt a potentially lethal method of suicide in the near future (within a month). I know there are some who argue against involuntary hospitalization altogether, but I think it's appropriate to prevent people from killing themselves since treatment can help many overcome the crisis.

  • @mindfulnessasia1082
    @mindfulnessasia1082 Год назад +2

    There are some proven strategies how one can help someone with suicidal thoughts. These strategies usually work as prevention as well. People need to learn how to better control their mind. So, they will be resilient and learn how to cope with different concerns, stress, tensions and sufferings in this world.
    People should have realistic expectations of what they can experience on this human journey in this world. Unrealistic expectations causes a lot of unnecessary anger, frustration and pain that can lead to serious mental health concerns.
    A person who has a calm steady mind will be able to face and work through failures, frustrations and challenges. Add the serenity prayer & Gauranga meditation to your daily routine to boost mental health.

    • @loub9293
      @loub9293 Год назад

      So if these things do not work does that mean I’m right in my thinking and I should just better the world by leaving it?

  • @mattsyson3980
    @mattsyson3980 Год назад +4

    Depending what is going on I am 'stage 1' on an occasional basis but can be pushed to stage 4 occasionally although I have a very strict set of 'rules that I must not act in the country I live in and that whichever 'method it must be painless but cause an 'international' incident without hurting anybody else. In hindsight I have hardly been even a 'stage 1' for many years but maybe the occasional fleeting thought. There is strong irony that the bulk of the problem was caused by 'professionals' and others that have made things difficult in diverse ways. I am pretty sure I have some elements of Aspergers as reading through typical Aspergers traits I recognise various elements. I don't think this has any bearing on suicidal ideation. I had a stroke 3 years ago which was strangely curious. It has left me with a hand with slightly reduced 'motor control' but of greater interest that my brain, which can recall scenes from 50 years or more back, felt like a 'snow globe' as some memories were disjointed but have settled now. Now every few days or so I am disappointed at waking up and what is probably depression has destroyed my former energies. I cannot 'act' where I live now as it would be disrespectful to the people near me, .

    • @MWorsa
      @MWorsa Год назад

      Matt Syson, what is this painless method you speak of 🤔

    • @MWorsa
      @MWorsa Год назад

      @Rayanne Massoli Well, if your profile picture is accurate, you’ll probably be rejected for being too good looking 🫠

  • @katherinetranter4348
    @katherinetranter4348 Год назад +3

    Between a 4 and 5. Again. In the UK its shit. I od several times, first freaked out, took myself to a and e they just watched me for 12 hours, psych spoke to me and told me to go home, didn't do anything. Next times after that, spoke to psych again, and still sent me home.
    If you go to a and e with SI they won't do shit. In their eyes, "your not sick enough" because you haven't done anything. And when someone does do something they are still told "not sick enough". Send you home, with no hope, just some numbers you can call, who tell you to go to a and e. So it's useless.
    Sorry ranting

    • @mattsyson3980
      @mattsyson3980 Год назад +2

      Hang in there Katherine. I used to live in the UK but at the time I was hardly a 'level 1'. I know what really caused the 'trauma' that has pushed me to greater thoughts but professionals can't/won't help. i emailed the Samaritans and although they were sympathetic they told me they can do nothing except 'listen', The problem I have is that I need some action as I had a huge amount of money 'stolen' from me which I know is not necessarily going to repair me completely it would make many small things easier. I no longer live in the UK but the root causes for my depression are there.

    • @oceanofrose
      @oceanofrose Год назад

      I’m so sorry this happened to u. Unfortunately they seem to not take things seriously enough for anyone. My friend (15) struggled with an ED, anxiety and depression last year and was asked to tell CAMS about her SI. When she did, they said “clearly ur fine cuz u told us about it.” She tried to commit about a week later I think. Luckily she is doing okay now.

  • @yeshuaistheking
    @yeshuaistheking Год назад +5

    Where my 3s at

    • @justsomedude1593
      @justsomedude1593 Год назад +1

      Im a 3 most the time but during my low points im a 4

    • @buddy3635
      @buddy3635 Год назад

      I'm here with you. Anyone need to vent? I'm a decent listener

    • @vraptork181
      @vraptork181 Год назад +1

      Chilling at 3 just bumped up from two wow all my efforts and I’m still deteriorating. Things really just never seem to go my way at the right time.

  • @Neirbot
    @Neirbot 6 месяцев назад

    It’s not your place to force someone to live. Yes, they will be transferring their pain to loved ones but you don’t have the right to force them to live. It’s their life.

  • @ChuckPike
    @ChuckPike 8 месяцев назад

    I'm at 2 or 3 at all times. I've been to 4 a lot and been to 5 3 times in my life.

  • @imgoingtopassout
    @imgoingtopassout Год назад +1

    Between a 3 & 4

  • @Jeffreydefinitelynotdahmer
    @Jeffreydefinitelynotdahmer 8 месяцев назад

    I fantasize about nonexistence a lot not killing myself because im scared but just never haven existed at all

  • @BadRobot99
    @BadRobot99 9 месяцев назад

    Suicidal ideation with method and intention, that’s me!

  • @deeremeyer1749
    @deeremeyer1749 Год назад +1

    I'm at 4.

  • @justspittingsomefacts6425
    @justspittingsomefacts6425 2 года назад +7

    I'm on level 4

    • @zeros-gy7bl
      @zeros-gy7bl 2 года назад +2

      I've been there too, you're not alone mate. How are you doing today, if I may ask?

    • @jl-pf3nb
      @jl-pf3nb 2 года назад +2

      Same literally everyday I plan to do it but then I get distracted by my phone and end up not doing it

    • @justspittingsomefacts6425
      @justspittingsomefacts6425 2 года назад +2

      @@zeros-gy7bl still feel horrible and scared (not of suicide but scared of my dead end situation)

    • @justspittingsomefacts6425
      @justspittingsomefacts6425 2 года назад +1

      @@jl-pf3nb I'm playing my favourite video games before I end everything.

    • @zeros-gy7bl
      @zeros-gy7bl 2 года назад +1

      @@justspittingsomefacts6425 Glad you replied mate and yeah I totally know what you mean. I lived like that for years and it still comes up sometimes. When I want things to change or to leave a dead end situation so badly, it's exhausting, but I try to do one simple task like, drink a glass of water or take out my trash, or even something silly like quickly wave my arms around 5 times. It gives me a sense of change for a moment and helps me snap out of it so I can focus on making positive changes. Sometimes I hold ice cubes or play video games which helps me a lot. I hope today is better for you and we're all in this together.

  • @aghhhhhhh-z5b
    @aghhhhhhh-z5b Год назад +1

    So many 4's yo

  • @freak5646
    @freak5646 10 месяцев назад

    Woo hoo. I got 4 out od 5.

  • @nestroit5010
    @nestroit5010 Год назад

    I am at 2.5

  • @twentynemelanies7125
    @twentynemelanies7125 Год назад

    I'm @ a 2 as of typing this out

  • @Istg12347
    @Istg12347 Год назад

    I’m edging into level 5

    • @Istg12347
      @Istg12347 Год назад

      Umm so I went into level 5 I’m better but wooo that was a hell of a ride

    • @Istg12347
      @Istg12347 10 месяцев назад

      @@user-xn2nu3lm7p hi I went to the hospital lol I am doing a lot better as a person who went through the same thing as you I know you are tired of hearing don’t do it and I’m not going to bor you with that but I have some things I want to say and I know this won’t stop you but it’s worth a shot you are too special to leave this world I know it’s cliché but you should know that 2 go outside your house and live at least be happy when you die just know that if you feel like the whole world is against you you always have one person routing for you write down all the things you would miss think about your favorite song that one person you trust the sky clouds stars everything and as I said I know I’m not gonna convince you but I don’t want to be responsible for someone’s death if you die this is a permanent mistake like I said you aren’t gonna listen to me but I would suggest it 1 staying with a friend/family 2 getting therapy or 3 going into impatient I’m not going to promise It will get better but I will say I hope you find happiness and good luck on your journey through life even if short lived