Its not a terrible take but realistically the guy played in a position based system which ment he dint have to face counters and attacks as much. Vandijk and Terry are just by far better
@@iprince7934 if u look at it that way Ramos doesn't deserve top either. Without Madrid he would be nowhere close to he is today. Most red cards multiple fouls which cost his team quite a number of times and sometimes managed to get away thanks to Madrid. One thing he is better than others is goalscoring
@@stackguap are u going to ignore that pique also has the same trophies? That Spain team was busted anyways. With or without Ramos they would have won those trophies. Trophies are important but that doesn't mean one defender is better than the other at defending. If u go for trophies alone Ramos is very decorated and successful but in terms of defending abilities there are better defenders than him who haven't won much
If this was based solely on individual ability/completeness, VVD is at the top of this list. He's the best passer, physical freak, rapid (pre-ACL), aerially dominant, tackle success rate is off the charts, clutch goals, captain of club and country. Not a single hole in his game. He revolutionised that klopp side, all whilst having to compensate for the most attacking full-backs that the EPL had seen at that point with a super high line. Obviously "greatness" incorporates a lot of intangibles though. the only thing that works against him is he was somewhat of a late bloomer, moving to LFC at 26. But the man has been regarded as the best CB (or minimum top 2) on the planet ever since that Move. That's 8 years as the best in the business and counting.
@@1NTEN7ION the thing with Rudiger is I don’t think he’s been considered “the best in the world” yet. All the guys in table 1, and most in table 2 have. There’s every chance he might become the best ITW in the future though
It is bad take yes. but Ramos is obviously overrated as a defender. A lot of mistakes, a lot of red cards. Pepe is clear than him as a defender, not as a goal scorer from corners
@@2black2seeu because defenders famously do not tackle you have different ways of defending, one isn't better then the other Also defenders also are just 1 out of 10 outfield players that have to use their feet, defenders also have to play in possesion and that's where Ramos clears everyone and I mean he is number 1
@@tybomortier1211good point, he started out as a right back, his on the ball play is underrated . But the trophy count definitely does a lot for him - is he top 5 all time in ability?
Prime Piquet look like a genetic experiment of a perfect modern defender. Tall, fast, ball playing, defending, attacking he had it all. He showed personality and trolled opponents, thats why he gets trolled back harder then some IMO. Just like with lewa (pre flick) or Ronaldo in Saudi, modern grates post prime blunders/mistakes shouldn’t and don’t outweigh everything they did and achieved in their career prior.
@@mohdjunaid787anyone with eyes could see that Pique is a tier one cb people just focus on the latter years of his career where he was not at his best and forget the decade of elite cb play he gave us from 2008-2018
@@stackguapmate cmon people are really saying pique was like the reason of those Barca humiliations but no he was the best defender at Barcelona the fault was of alba ter stegen and all those other average defenders
There's no way Pique was a better player/defender than terrry. Putting pique over him is a disrespect in itself. Hell I won't even put ramos over terry. Ramos is above terry just because he played for Real madrid and Spain and won a lot. Terry just as a player is just behind Maldini, Nesta and Van dijk imo. But over longevity and acclodes he goes over van dijk.
@@DS-dw3pz Come back once you learn what a hyperbole is thanks, the main message(of the message) was just that it isn't a bad take and to make fun of the other comment that said it was his worst take.
Yes Lyes put respect on Godin’s name. So so good and hardly gets the recognition he deserves. I have such a soft spot for that Atleti team of the 2010’s and Godin personifies what made that team so special. My favorite player of that era alongside Griezmann
Van dijk is top 3 for me, but I respect that you at least put him in tier 1. Some people seriously disrespect him. 99,97,93 points and 3x UCL finals, playing the high line and high intense klopp ball. He also never really had a world class partner, although I really rate matip.
@@holylaci7539 it's an indication of how good him and the team are. Alex Ferguson never got over 93 points. If you have a brain, and understand context then you know how dominant the team actually was. 2 of those times they finished 1 point behind.
i think Hummels is so underrated. Hummels is by far the best central defender on the ball. He could initiate any attack, whether with long balls, short balls or with runs forward. In addition, his defensive IQ was incredibly good. In 2014-2016 he was better than Pepe, Stam and Co ever were. His only downside was his pace, which sometimes made him look bad when Dortmund were stupidly ahead and Hummels had to cover alone. But as soon as Dortmund got a little further back, he was the best defender again like he was last year in the CL.
Nah, to be honest I can't co-sign Kompany in table 4, even with the injuries he was consistently one of the 3 or 4 most important players in the City team, including the centurions and the first title winners, if actually argue he was the best city player in 2012. He was even an automatic starter and a key figure during the euros and world cup in an era where Belgium were in their golden generation up until he retired. Especially if we consider your criteria of table 3 being closer to the 2s than the 4s, Kompany is definitely better than Ayneric, Stones and Koulibaly. He's far enough ahead of them for me to justify a table 3 at minimum.
Always hate to agree with a City fan as a United fan, but I remember my dad and I watching the derbies around 09 and 10 and the geezer always pointed out that Kompany was the best player in the team even when Robinho had signed. Not to mention the nightmares he gave us during the FA cup clashes and derbies in years to come, he might even have an argument for table 2 if he'd won the champions league.
I remember during the 17/18 season when we beat y'all 4-3😂 Salah scored a goal from the 40 yard because Ederson came out for a clearance and the first thing my brother said to me was 'if Kompany was here instead of Otamendi Ederson wouldn't have needed to come out, he would've dealt with it already, same with Mane's goal, he wouldn't have been alone at the edge of the box if Kompany was around'. Kompany had insane defensive insitinct and intuition.
As a younger fan I must say these videos are incredible as someone who has not watched a lot of these players I learn so much from you just talking about all these players! BEST BALL KNOWLEDGE ON RUclips!
"Barca had the best defence" - errr yeah because their midfield had like 80% possession every single game. It wasn't because they had a really good defence lol. You might as well also claim that Valdes was a World Class keeper while you are at it lmao.
@@LyesClips I won't go so far as to say you "don't know ball" because I generally think you have good takes but this is a howler mate. If you're talking about "elite" level keepers, Valdes was poor. He struggled with managing his near post. He was poor from crossing (largely because of his height which also limited his shot-stopping). He was very athletic, had great reactions and was good with his feet (both shot-stopping with his feet and short ranges distribution for the time) but that's about it. The guy loved a 'camera save' but let far too many suspect shots in, especially considering how few he had to face. I suggest you look up his shots faced to goal ratios or the retroactive XG stats they have put together vs other top keepers if you want more context.
Valdes? A world class keeper? Yeah, right. Barça's best defence then was their midfield. If you can get past their midfield your chances of scoring becomes too high for such a big club. They had no defenders who were good at one on one tackling. All their defenders were exceptional at playing out from the back but not for one on one tackling. And Valdes was terrible.
@@LyesClips Love the video Lyes but Rich is right. Valdes made some spectacular looking saves but he wasn't a great keeper. He benefited from playing for the best team ever and still made way too many mistakes.
Crazy to me how City players can just be constantly injured and it never hurts their stock. Reece James has played 25 more PL games than Stones since he joined Chelsea's first team. Maybe I was just out of the loop, but until the treble winning season I considered John Stones a failed transfer and he only played 23 PL games that season. Still you have people like El Fays calling him better than Rio Ferdinand.
Pique ahead of Ramos, Puyol, Terry, Van Dijk, Thiago Silva, Rio is crazy. Yes he won alot but he was never the best CB in the world. That's not good enough for tier 1. This is what happens when people are underrated (which pique was) they are underrated, then incredibly overrated And putting him ahead of Ramos and co, is incredibly stupid.
Great take from lyes....Pique is arguably the most disrespeted and underrated players of all time...world cup winning cb, won the euros, cl and countless leagues and other trophies and was a great passer and had amazing understanding of the game...his fall off was crazy but that doesn't mean he wasnt elite
Pique screams table 2 to me, also the defensive record is good in the early 2010s because he had the greatest midfield trio ahead of him who never lost the ball
Kompany is wayyy too low bro. Come on that is a horrible take! Absolutely no way he should be below Boateng, or Maqrues, or Sol Campbell or Bonucci. Also Boateng is way too high, should be low end of table 5 max.
Pique was also starting in every one of Barcelona's most humiliating defeats in their history. No denying he was a brilliant CB but come on he had many shockers too!
@@pim5400 Most defenders suffer this too. Ramos at his peak was slapped 5:0 by Barca. And at his worst 5:1 by Barca. So I don’t really understand why this applies to pique and not other top defenders
@@Deathmare235 If we’re talking about prime then 2016/17 is his best ever year. And funnily enough he had 2 red cards in the 3 encounters he had with Barca that year. And was the same year Messi beat Madrid 3:2
I would actually agree with Pique being table one. The last 5 years or so at Barça, it got really embarasing, getting demolished year in year out in the UCL, even getting knocked out in the group stage. Him directing traffic against Inter is iconic for a reason, that was horrendous. But none of that changes how good he was in the early 2010s and how much he achieved. But he's not greater than Ramos. Ramos is top 2 on this list for me. I'd put Maldini at #1 just because being a top 3 player of all time in 2 different positions is absolutely ridiculous, but Ramos was a beast. Goal scoring, heading, passing, dribbling, leadership, he was better than Nesta at all these things. I agree Nesta was better at defending, but that's not the only important thing, even for a CB. The same way that Edin Dzeko is not greater than R9 because he scored more goals, which is the traditional role of a striker, judging Ramos just on his defending does not paint the whole picture. How absolutely insane is it that this guy AS A CB is tied for 3rd most goals scored in UCL finals, only lagging behind 2 of his teammates? No player apart from that 3-peat Madrid side has scored more goals in UCL finals that his guy.
Pique was still world class until 19/20 where he lowered his level it was not his fault of all those ucl games Barca just had him as a defender alba was horrible umtiti is worse lenglet even worse semedo if I speak I get in trouble and ter stegen as the goalkeeper he’s probably the worst goalkeeper Barcelona has had
i think u r ignoring the eye test with Pique....he defensively wasnt tht good...nd for me personally one of the reasons why MSN wasnt tht succesful is because Barca always had a bad defensive setup...even though at times they could embaress real madrid....it was more so to do with the fact tht they kept the ball well and could blitz opponents.....even when they dd tht they would concede a lot of chances...im a barca fan, for as long as i know my team they have never been the best defensively apart from the Xavi season when they won la liga
Did he ever do it in europe? International tournaments? Pl was vastly overrated when kompany was in his pomp, man city very unserious with multiple round of 16 knockouts. Standard of english league was also not high (washed utd, chelsea very hot and cold, arsenal in their banter era)
I've watched all these lists and this was definitely your least objective list out of all of them. VVD just insanely disrespected simply cause of accomplishments instead of actual "ability" as a defender. Other lists you prioritize "best" over "greatest" but this was definitely a accomplishment magnified list.
@@Just_Klutch but the other guys that you stated have won A WHOLE LOT more. He’s stated before in all his other tier list videos that achievements are taken into account for him. So them being placed being above vvd is not that shocking and it is not that “disrespectful”
@ Na you’re def right they have accomplished more but that is dependent on teams and eras. Something like ability is solely based on the individual but accomplishments have so much to do with the whole team. The impact in games that the other players have isn’t near the level of VVDs. He was there with Messi and Ronaldo for the best player in the world and that was deservingly.
You can’t say Pique didn’t have howlers in his game when Pique was literally part of the two biggest meltdowns in ucl history????? Not to mention Ramos has longer longevity and Pique couldn’t even hack it in the premier league. IMO you’re picking and choosing criteria on that argument. And don’t get me started on your undervaluing of big goal moments
Completely agree with you,he surely has a huge ball knowledge but he also made a huge mistake on this one.As a former Barca fan I couldnt stand Pique because of games vs Liverpool and Roma and his last 5 years at Barca he was just becoming significantly worse and a liability on defense.Ramos is definitely a better center back between two
@@LoyalFan9383 But bar Terry and VVD none of the 4 played in the Prem. I don’t think Pique’s Prem career should be a real mark against him considering what he achieved at Barcelona
@@AK-bj6fk well no one is saying ‘you have to do it in the prem or you suck’ unless you are on about the English or premtards, and yes you make a very good point which is why Salah is one of the best ever but it’s the fact that his Man U career holds him back from being the best, no one is denying his quality at Barcelona but seeing him at Man U is the deciding factor not the main reason
Lyes spitting facts about Pique. Ramos has been very overrated by everyone due to his teams success. Pure defending basis, Pique was above, and so is Van dijk and Terry
@@Admiral_Kekdog complete package ramos is better. same With the strikers tier list it wasn't the person who scored the most goals that was in the s tier. Same with this, ramos isn't as good as of a defender but everything else puts him ahead
@@Admiral_Kekdog he's literally the perfect center that any coach would want... goals, tackles, clutch moments, aggression, leadership, sexy beard... what more u want?
Not a Liverpool fan at all but the guy is like Bron of football. Best athletically, incredibly IQ, incredible sweeper, elite ball player, sensational in the air etc.
As a Barca fan who has seen Pique for so many years, I dig your take. The only downside to Pique is he rarely had a good partner for a long time. Puyol left in 2013-14, Mache was good but we needed someone better than him in Europe when our fullbacks would go high, Umtiti was the best partner he had but he lost his physique after the WC, If Vermaelen had not been injury prone we wouldn't see those Europe exists from Roma and Pool. Pique was exceptional in many classicos and the partners around him let him down quite a few times while Ramos always had a good sidekick.
Pique over Cannavaro is MENTAL ILLNESS. Pique is a top CB, but Cannavaro is one of the very best to ever do it. His D'or win brings so much hate and revisionism on him. This is sick.
VVD TABLE 1 IS CERTIFIED MENTAL SICKNESS. GET YOUR HEAD CHECKED BROTHER. ANYONE WHO WATCHES FOOTBALL FOR MORE THAN A DECADE CANNOT SAY SUCH STUFF WITHOUT BEING ILL. WALLAHI THIS IS A DISGRACEFUL LIST, HORROR.
The most iconic figure of the 3 Spanish defenders is Ramos but the best defender is Puyol, I would go Puyol > Ramos > Pique. That Spain defence in the World Cup was extremely solid and that was led by Puyol. There was a reason why Spain were allowed to score only 8 goals that whole tournament, they practically conceded nothing all tournament.
Kompany disappeared when city needed him most in the champions league when they were good enough to compete but their big players didn’t step up. Also he was disappointing for Belgium
Agree with Tier 1 outside of Pique, JT/Ramos and VVD are much better overall. I would have most of Tier 2 ahead of Pique tbh, you can't tell me Thiago Silva/Jaap aren't better CB's than him.
@@abdiyusuf223 helps when you have the best midfield of all time ahead of you to keep the ball. Remind me again who was playing next to him with Spain? Oh yea Ramos and puyol 👍🏼. Mascherano looked like a good cb with Barca FFS, so that’s not a valid argument, with that midfield and forward line, teams couldn’t get ball
VVD being table 1 and Kompany being table 4 is so disrespectful! Kompany was unreal for a decade, captained his team to an era of absolute dominance, bullied defenders like its nothing! There is no way you have a 2 table gap between them I’m sorry
I am not even denying that VVD is probably the better of the two, but there is no way the difference is that big. Legacy wise Kompany destroys VVD. Ability wise VVD is probably better, but he is not 3 tables above better
Ramos is a whole lot better defensively than most people are giving him credit for... I think a great indicator of a CBs defensive qualities is how they perform at later stages when their physical attributes wither and they have to rely on their iq, positioning and timing. And Ramos was MUCH better in his later years than someone like Pique with all due respect.
@mohdjunaid787 Pique was far less than good especially in his last 2 seasons, Barca fans were literally killing him every game and wanted him to stop. Ramos in comparison left Madrid and still had good seasons individually with PSG and Sevilla.
W list as a liverpool fan i was kinda scared his hot take was gonna be that VVD is table 3 or something but im happy to see him getting the respect he deserves and i agreed with the reasoning and ranking of all of the other players especially pique what a player he was man
Otamendi too low Lyes cmon brother. World Cup, 2 Copa Americas, 2 PL Titles, Europa league with Porto, FA Cup, 4 🏴 league cups, 4 🇵🇹 league Titles, 4 🇵🇹 Super Cups, won liga Portugal defender of the year in 22/23 season at the age of 35. Also one of the most fearless defenders on this entire list. Guy played like the more pain he went through the better he got throughout the game. Sorry but goddamn that guy gets way too overhated because of a few mistakes he made while partnered with non ball playing cbs in Kompany, demichellis, mangala. Until pep joined and he slowly became the one making no errors at all.
Homie ask any Barca or Spain fan in that time, they said Puyol made Pique look better. Puyol far and away the best Spanish defender on this list, and the fact you’ve put van dijk above Puyol is actually nasty work. Van Dijk has achievements but when we talk about the elite, I think he doesn’t touch table 1. I hate Terry but he is 3rd on this list no question. Thiago Silva goes above van dijk too. You said it yourself Thiago Silva at 39 was still bossing it. I think Puyol was the same no doubt. Van Dijk is comfortably table 2 but I think his stature and his natural build boost him a lot which is why people rate him so much. I think atleast 4-5 defenders you put below van dijk accomplished more in the game, and were more intelligent than him as a defender and executed it at the same time. I also think as a defender, being a leader is not something you put much weight on in this video. But defending requires so much communication and organizing and being a captain in that back line.
Ramos is not the best defensive cb of all time, but for a complete package id rate ramos as the best cb of all time. Scoring important goals, strong defensively, strong on the ball, good range of passing and most importantly an actual leader. And maldini is the best defensively closely followed by nesta
@@Deathmare235 vvd is better defensively then Ramos by a bit. But on all the other aspects i rate ramos higher. Vvd had the potential to be atleast the 2nd best cb of all time but he only had like 4-5 good years and didnt win that much. Ramos maldini were on top of their game for 10+ years
Pique is a great defender but if you're comparing him to ramos you'll have to take into account the types of teams they played for, mourinho's real was infamously good on the counter but they used to absorb alot more pressure than barcas teams where possession was the key to their success
Pique tier 1 is absolute fckin insanity. You keep bringing up defensive record but you surely havent forgotten that Barcelona in their primes years had 70% + ball possesion most games. Everytime something went wrong or Barca looked bad Pigue was many times involved. He was one of the weaker links of prima Barca imo. Thats not the worst thing to be because he was still really good in the air and with his feet and thats the best team to have ever excist.
@LyesClips when someone says something with 5 emotes its like so dead instant... i expect more from you tbh obv the weakest link of PRIME barca was the gk but after that im looking towards pique and some others maybe but as i said being the ''weaker'' link of prime Barca doesnt mean you are bad just saying if im naming the best players of prime barca his name has to wait a bit to pop up
The pique overrating is craaaaaazy bro. Other than that I honestly agree with alot on this list, no prem bias! Kompany is where he should be for me aswell
He's EASLY top 5, the only question is whether he was better than Ramos. As a defender I think he was, but as a player and a figure/leader to the team Ramos was, which is why I have Ramos above him. Although if you actually watched them both in their primes and throughout their careers, it's close.
@LoyalFan9383 he's easily better than Van Dijk, and maybe not easily but still better than Terry for me. Whether he's 3rd or 4th, or even 5th which I disagree with, he's top 5.
He did say he had to take career and winning into account. VVD is way higher when it comes to peak and natural ability but he's held back by trophy cabinet and longevity (compared to the players above him)
Pique over ramos is disrespect. Barca had most of the ball all the time so Pique didn't have to defend much. Ramos was always defending and he has a three peat
OH HELL YEAH I was looking forward to see where you put Pique and you absolutely 100% did the right thing💪💪💪 That's it you ball knowledge is honestly amazing I gotta leave you a sub
I appreciate you putting respect on Marquez’ name, but aye he should 100% be chatting to Bonucci, maybe Boateng, but he shouldn’t be in the same tier as Rudiger for sure. Koulibaly is fortunate to make table 4 above Cordoba and Laporte as well. Campbell should be table 4 too imo. But this is probably the best tier list so far, the top 5 is PERFECT.
I don’t think pique is a tier one centre back his prime was absolutely amazing but he lacked consistency throughout the later back of his career, I personally rate puyol higher because of his consistency. And company by the looks of it is extremely underrated.
It’s kinda weird I would have said the complete opposite that he had crazy longevity and decent consistency until final few years but never had insane insane peak or year
@@justintime7351nah 2009 to 2012 he was insane and arguably the best in the world in his position after that he never got back to that level except probably 2015 and 2019 but the other years he wasn't that great and he had soo many howlers throughout those years
Thiago Silva should be ahead of Pique and be considered tier 1...the fact that he could come to the Premier league now and dominate it at 39 is just insane....the only reason why he doesn't get as hyped as Ramos is because of his cool nature, and ain't as aggressive and Ramos moment in the UCL while Thiago Silva played in PSG who had no chance of winning the UCL and internationally Brazil's midfield were so bad
The Pique take is rogue. Underrated, sure. Table 1? I’m sorry, that’s an L take. I could see top of table 3, but no chance he’s above John Terry. Edit: in general though, pretty good effort. I completely agree with Terry > Ferdinand, I actually think Ferdy should be below Puyol, Stam, TS, and Vidic at bottom of table 2. Lucio is awesome, completely agree on that. Hyypia also too low. Some other things but cba to list them all.
I’m a PSG fan and to be fair to Marquinhos he had an excellent 20/21 (the immediate season after O’Monstro left us) and had some clutch goals for us in the Champions League. He’s just unfortunately a player that relies heavily on confidence, intrinsically as a footballer I think he deserves much higher than table 5 but I’d understand arguments for his mentality keeping him that low.
Your channel is great and u seem like a good guy. The problem with Centre Back lists is: What do u base it on? If just pure defending Chiellini, Vidic and Cannavaro should be top tier. VVD and Pique are better ball playing centre backs.
I think you let your Man United bias seep through. Silva is better than Rio for me, and so is Vidic. But I'd also have Puyol above Stam and potentially above Rio and Vidic. Puyol was the most important defender in the best national team of our lifetimes, and has achieved more than any player on this list alongside the other Spaniards.
It's the system due to which barca had a better defensive record, not the defenders. As they say, attack is the best form of defence. When a team has over 70% of the ball all the time, ofcourse they will be conceding lesser goals than a team which is all about direct attacks, and not playing according to a particular system. City constantly concede much lesser goals than liverpool in the league, but that didnt make you say that stones/dias are better defenders than fucking van dijk. People think it's a crazy take to have pique over ramos, but it's really not. Ramos is the most dependable guy who even with his defensive weaknesses, kept real madrid's defence steady (with marcelo playing as high as a fullback can do)
That being said, pique is heavily trolled and is an underrated defender. He was constantly top 3-5 over a decade but he's table 2. Saying pique was the best defender in 18/19 barring van dijk is plain stupid 😂 In the later years, from 2018 he never was the same
@@LyesClips You're completely obfuscating the argument. That Barcalona side (principally 2009-2014) faced the fewest attacks of any team in the top 5 Leagues in Europe. So yes, teams did in essence 'never attack them' when compared to every other side lmao.
@@LyesClipsand it's those counters that put them away in the champions league multiple times, most infamously when mourinho's team put them away in the semis, if you're giving flowers to pique for game reading you have to criticize his actual defending in key moments because players like Van Djik and Nesta are accomplished in both aspects far more than pique
Why we acting as if pique was an average player of some sort? He literally dominated and was one of the key DEFENSIVE players for both barça and his country.
I know lyes never said this, but the people saying ramos is a red card and foul merchant are so disrespectful and dont know a thing about being a cb or defender. Shame on them for direspecting the greatest center back of the 21st century
Kompany should higher. But your lack of appreciation for big moments is clear. CB’s that pop up with huge goals is such an asset Ramos, Terry, Kompany u can’t undervalue the importance of some of there goals .
If you could make ONE CHANGE to my final list…. what would you change?
Having boateng and marquez over kompany is crazy. Between 2010- 2015, he was consistently one of the best cb in PL
@ Those guys were consistently some of the best defenders in their leagues as well. Not to mention in Europe and Internationally too
@@mayozay5810 dont know about Boateng but Marquez is definitely better than Kompany
Pique over Ramos is the most brain dead you have ever said
Hey, big fan! What is chat/chet again? You explained it last week but I forgot 😅
That story about Lucio and Inter Milan in 09/10 was glorious.
All to move him down a tier
Seeing Piqué in the GOAT tier above Rio & Thiago Silva in the thumbnail is sinful.
pique got umtiti paid 300k per week
Let’s not disrespect umtiti, the guy was even better than Varane in his prime and if he wasn’t injured he could be table 1
@@Deathmare235 bro whatt umtiti over varane what
@@jesseabiodun3059 at one point
@@Deathmare235at NO point lmao
@@JumpStreet-pj1hx You don’t watch La liga
W Lyes for putting Pique in Table 1
Its not a terrible take but realistically the guy played in a position based system which ment he dint have to face counters and attacks as much. Vandijk and Terry are just by far better
@@iprince7934 if u look at it that way Ramos doesn't deserve top either. Without Madrid he would be nowhere close to he is today. Most red cards multiple fouls which cost his team quite a number of times and sometimes managed to get away thanks to Madrid. One thing he is better than others is goalscoring
@@rohank8783 Are you going to ignore the fact that he won 2 Euros and a World Cup
@@stackguap are u going to ignore that pique also has the same trophies? That Spain team was busted anyways. With or without Ramos they would have won those trophies. Trophies are important but that doesn't mean one defender is better than the other at defending. If u go for trophies alone Ramos is very decorated and successful but in terms of defending abilities there are better defenders than him who haven't won much
@@rohank8783 Pique doesn't have the same trophies, wasn't there for 08
If this was based solely on individual ability/completeness, VVD is at the top of this list. He's the best passer, physical freak, rapid (pre-ACL), aerially dominant, tackle success rate is off the charts, clutch goals, captain of club and country. Not a single hole in his game. He revolutionised that klopp side, all whilst having to compensate for the most attacking full-backs that the EPL had seen at that point with a super high line. Obviously "greatness" incorporates a lot of intangibles though.
the only thing that works against him is he was somewhat of a late bloomer, moving to LFC at 26. But the man has been regarded as the best CB (or minimum top 2) on the planet ever since that Move. That's 8 years as the best in the business and counting.
Remember Virgil is still playing 😂 if he wins the league / Cl this season or next season he has potential to be the greatest
Same with Rudiger in table 3 who could easily become a great
@@1NTEN7ION the thing with Rudiger is I don’t think he’s been considered “the best in the world” yet. All the guys in table 1, and most in table 2 have. There’s every chance he might become the best ITW in the future though
@davidm2436 yeah ofc I don't mean he'll become one of the best ever but he has the chance to become top 10 for example if he wins a few more trophies
Based on his list, VVD is currently the best CB in the world. Let's take that from a Man U fan 😅
Pique over Ramos is your worst take to date.
It is bad take yes. but Ramos is obviously overrated as a defender. A lot of mistakes, a lot of red cards. Pepe is clear than him as a defender, not as a goal scorer from corners
Ramos is a tackler
pique is the definition for a defender
@@2black2seeu because defenders famously do not tackle
you have different ways of defending, one isn't better then the other
Also defenders also are just 1 out of 10 outfield players that have to use their feet, defenders also have to play in possesion and that's where Ramos clears everyone and I mean he is number 1
@@tybomortier1211good point, he started out as a right back, his on the ball play is underrated . But the trophy count definitely does a lot for him - is he top 5 all time in ability?
I haven’t watched the video yet no ways this man did that 😭😭😭
pique one of the most disrespected players thank u lyes
Hes table 1 but he was not better than Ramos
@@jeevanthomas8095nah he’s not table 1
He was just above average in a great barca side. Fits great tier but nothing more. You don't think he's really greater than Silva, do you?
@@jeevanthomas8095 he was, not by a lot, but he was
Pique is overrated af. After Puyol retired he was mediocre at best
Pique underrated and overhated people glaze these modern defenders, pique was flawlessly preforming week in week out from 08 until 2015
You are right but no way is he over Ramos
@@DS-dw3pzwhat’s he correct with
He's overrated bc of team achievements
He was a defensive liability, he just rarely had to defend. Bro got spun on the regular
he is overrated. yes, back day underrated but today overrated. No way he is better then Puyol
Seeing Pique get the respect he deserves put a smile on my face
Pique in list 1 is disgusting
Most overrated defender in football history
@@calm123this is why he gets “ overrated “ bc ppl like you don’t understand just how good he was
That's not the respect he diserves, that's overrating him as a defender.
@@calm123pique literally pushed off Ramos from his spot in the euros and the World Cup. That’s his prime, not late 2010s
Of course you do you uefalona 🐁
Prime Piquet look like a genetic experiment of a perfect modern defender. Tall, fast, ball playing, defending, attacking he had it all.
He showed personality and trolled opponents, thats why he gets trolled back harder then some IMO.
Just like with lewa (pre flick) or Ronaldo in Saudi, modern grates post prime blunders/mistakes shouldn’t and don’t outweigh everything they did and achieved in their career prior.
Pique disrespect had gone too far thank you for giving him the respect he deserves Lyes.
Trust mate only Barca fans would put him in tier-1.
@@mohdjunaid787anyone with eyes could see that Pique is a tier one cb people just focus on the latter years of his career where he was not at his best and forget the decade of elite cb play he gave us from 2008-2018
I only see Barca fans backing Lyes' awful take, wonder why
@@stackguapmate cmon people are really saying pique was like the reason of those Barca humiliations but no he was the best defender at Barcelona the fault was of alba ter stegen and all those other average defenders
He’s clearly one of the best ever but absolutely not a top 5, kind of ruins this list
I’m just glad Terry got the respect he deserves. He was so good
There's no way Pique was a better player/defender than terrry. Putting pique over him is a disrespect in itself. Hell I won't even put ramos over terry. Ramos is above terry just because he played for Real madrid and Spain and won a lot. Terry just as a player is just behind Maldini, Nesta and Van dijk imo. But over longevity and acclodes he goes over van dijk.
@ yeah I agree Pique wasn’t that good, but I know arguing against that was pointless
Terry was a joke what a playee
Pique over Ramos is your best take to date.
Best take? Lmaoooo
@@DS-dw3pzramos is a red card merchant bro😂😂
@@DS-dw3pz Come back once you learn what a hyperbole is thanks, the main message(of the message) was just that it isn't a bad take and to make fun of the other comment that said it was his worst take.
@@Void-qd2qy come back once you start making sense....it may not be his worst take but it's still a bad take
@@liansonmung8779 I feel he's overrated when compared to Thiago Silva Maldini Nesta but he's definitely better than Pique bruh
Yes Lyes put respect on Godin’s name. So so good and hardly gets the recognition he deserves. I have such a soft spot for that Atleti team of the 2010’s and Godin personifies what made that team so special. My favorite player of that era alongside Griezmann
Van dijk is top 3 for me, but I respect that you at least put him in tier 1. Some people seriously disrespect him. 99,97,93 points and 3x UCL finals, playing the high line and high intense klopp ball. He also never really had a world class partner, although I really rate matip.
Has and amazing partner with konate now
Lol when did we start counting second position points as trophies 😂😂
@@holylaci7539why does that matter? It’s better than most CB’s ever, I’ll laugh at the fact that maldini and nesta have never done that 😂😂 😂😂
@@holylaci7539 it's an indication of how good him and the team are. Alex Ferguson never got over 93 points. If you have a brain, and understand context then you know how dominant the team actually was. 2 of those times they finished 1 point behind.
Thankfully he has a world class CB partner now in Konate, absolute beast!
i think Hummels is so underrated. Hummels is by far the best central defender on the ball. He could initiate any attack, whether with long balls, short balls or with runs forward. In addition, his defensive IQ was incredibly good. In 2014-2016 he was better than Pepe, Stam and Co ever were. His only downside was his pace, which sometimes made him look bad when Dortmund were stupidly ahead and Hummels had to cover alone. But as soon as Dortmund got a little further back, he was the best defender again like he was last year in the CL.
Not even better than boateng
And he’s way better than Pique
Nah, to be honest I can't co-sign Kompany in table 4, even with the injuries he was consistently one of the 3 or 4 most important players in the City team, including the centurions and the first title winners, if actually argue he was the best city player in 2012. He was even an automatic starter and a key figure during the euros and world cup in an era where Belgium were in their golden generation up until he retired. Especially if we consider your criteria of table 3 being closer to the 2s than the 4s, Kompany is definitely better than Ayneric, Stones and Koulibaly. He's far enough ahead of them for me to justify a table 3 at minimum.
Always hate to agree with a City fan as a United fan, but I remember my dad and I watching the derbies around 09 and 10 and the geezer always pointed out that Kompany was the best player in the team even when Robinho had signed. Not to mention the nightmares he gave us during the FA cup clashes and derbies in years to come, he might even have an argument for table 2 if he'd won the champions league.
I remember during the 17/18 season when we beat y'all 4-3😂 Salah scored a goal from the 40 yard because Ederson came out for a clearance and the first thing my brother said to me was 'if Kompany was here instead of Otamendi Ederson wouldn't have needed to come out, he would've dealt with it already, same with Mane's goal, he wouldn't have been alone at the edge of the box if Kompany was around'. Kompany had insane defensive insitinct and intuition.
I'm a united fan and I absolutely agree. Tbh Terry, Vidic, Rio, Kompany. There is not a lot to pick between any of these in terms of quality.
Have to agree. Personally consider that Leicester goal as his crowning glory, definitely the best of the city CBs over that period
Table 3 imo.
As a younger fan I must say these videos are incredible as someone who has not watched a lot of these players I learn so much from you just talking about all these players! BEST BALL KNOWLEDGE ON RUclips!
Pique ahead of terry, Silva and Ramos 😭😭😭
Ramos yeah. But terry and silva over pique 🤣🤣.
ramos is so overated
@@zerefdragneel69Terry is better than Ramos maybe
Piqué and ramos is debatable but he clears silva and terry and probably should not even be in the same tier
@@Deathmare235😂😂Terry is closer to Godín than pique
"Barca had the best defence" - errr yeah because their midfield had like 80% possession every single game. It wasn't because they had a really good defence lol. You might as well also claim that Valdes was a World Class keeper while you are at it lmao.
Valdes was a very good keeper who bailed out Barca in big moments on NUMEROUS occasions. You can’t rewrite history man
@@LyesClips I won't go so far as to say you "don't know ball" because I generally think you have good takes but this is a howler mate.
If you're talking about "elite" level keepers, Valdes was poor. He struggled with managing his near post. He was poor from crossing (largely because of his height which also limited his shot-stopping). He was very athletic, had great reactions and was good with his feet (both shot-stopping with his feet and short ranges distribution for the time) but that's about it. The guy loved a 'camera save' but let far too many suspect shots in, especially considering how few he had to face. I suggest you look up his shots faced to goal ratios or the retroactive XG stats they have put together vs other top keepers if you want more context.
Valdes? A world class keeper? Yeah, right.
Barça's best defence then was their midfield.
If you can get past their midfield your chances of scoring becomes too high for such a big club. They had no defenders who were good at one on one tackling. All their defenders were exceptional at playing out from the back but not for one on one tackling. And Valdes was terrible.
@@LyesClips Love the video Lyes but Rich is right. Valdes made some spectacular looking saves but he wasn't a great keeper. He benefited from playing for the best team ever and still made way too many mistakes.
@ Wow. None of their defenders could tackle and they had an awful keeper. They won all those trophies with 6 players i guess🤣🤣🤣
Crazy to me how City players can just be constantly injured and it never hurts their stock. Reece James has played 25 more PL games than Stones since he joined Chelsea's first team. Maybe I was just out of the loop, but until the treble winning season I considered John Stones a failed transfer and he only played 23 PL games that season. Still you have people like El Fays calling him better than Rio Ferdinand.
Pique ahead of Ramos, Puyol, Terry, Van Dijk, Thiago Silva, Rio is crazy. Yes he won alot but he was never the best CB in the world. That's not good enough for tier 1. This is what happens when people are underrated (which pique was) they are underrated, then incredibly overrated And putting him ahead of Ramos and co, is incredibly stupid.
Pique 2015 is miles better than Puyol, Terry, VVD, Silva and Rio 👍
Nah Pique is on their level and maybe better he was insane especially in 2009-2015
@@VWR7.5 My arse.
@@VWR7.5no version of pique was ever better than VVD
@@indianbossman606 waffle
Great take from lyes....Pique is arguably the most disrespeted and underrated players of all time...world cup winning cb, won the euros, cl and countless leagues and other trophies and was a great passer and had amazing understanding of the game...his fall off was crazy but that doesn't mean he wasnt elite
I appreciate the way Lyes is willing to bend and adjust the tiers to better demonstrate his thought process
Finally someone who respects Pepe. Arguably the most underrated defender. Regularly Portugal’s best player even at 40.
Pique screams table 2 to me, also the defensive record is good in the early 2010s because he had the greatest midfield trio ahead of him who never lost the ball
Kompany is wayyy too low bro. Come on that is a horrible take! Absolutely no way he should be below Boateng, or Maqrues, or Sol Campbell or Bonucci. Also Boateng is way too high, should be low end of table 5 max.
Agreed
Pique was also starting in every one of Barcelona's most humiliating defeats in their history. No denying he was a brilliant CB but come on he had many shockers too!
Yeah and in almost all of the european fiascos barca have had this past decade, he has been at fault for a lot of them
@@pim5400 Most defenders suffer this too. Ramos at his peak was slapped 5:0 by Barca. And at his worst 5:1 by Barca. So I don’t really understand why this applies to pique and not other top defenders
Sure the score lines are bad but our defence was perfect in those games, not sure what more pique could’ve done against Bayern
@@DaxcellRamthat’s cause Ramos wasn’t in his prime yet
@@Deathmare235 If we’re talking about prime then 2016/17 is his best ever year. And funnily enough he had 2 red cards in the 3 encounters he had with Barca that year. And was the same year Messi beat Madrid 3:2
I would actually agree with Pique being table one. The last 5 years or so at Barça, it got really embarasing, getting demolished year in year out in the UCL, even getting knocked out in the group stage. Him directing traffic against Inter is iconic for a reason, that was horrendous. But none of that changes how good he was in the early 2010s and how much he achieved.
But he's not greater than Ramos. Ramos is top 2 on this list for me. I'd put Maldini at #1 just because being a top 3 player of all time in 2 different positions is absolutely ridiculous, but Ramos was a beast. Goal scoring, heading, passing, dribbling, leadership, he was better than Nesta at all these things. I agree Nesta was better at defending, but that's not the only important thing, even for a CB. The same way that Edin Dzeko is not greater than R9 because he scored more goals, which is the traditional role of a striker, judging Ramos just on his defending does not paint the whole picture. How absolutely insane is it that this guy AS A CB is tied for 3rd most goals scored in UCL finals, only lagging behind 2 of his teammates? No player apart from that 3-peat Madrid side has scored more goals in UCL finals that his guy.
Pique was still world class until 19/20 where he lowered his level it was not his fault of all those ucl games Barca just had him as a defender alba was horrible umtiti is worse lenglet even worse semedo if I speak I get in trouble and ter stegen as the goalkeeper he’s probably the worst goalkeeper Barcelona has had
Finally someone who gives Godin the respect he deserves
i think u r ignoring the eye test with Pique....he defensively wasnt tht good...nd for me personally one of the reasons why MSN wasnt tht succesful is because Barca always had a bad defensive setup...even though at times they could embaress real madrid....it was more so to do with the fact tht they kept the ball well and could blitz opponents.....even when they dd tht they would concede a lot of chances...im a barca fan, for as long as i know my team they have never been the best defensively apart from the Xavi season when they won la liga
Kompany at t4 is criminal. But consistent with your underrating city players through the other tier lists.
Did he ever do it in europe? International tournaments? Pl was vastly overrated when kompany was in his pomp, man city very unserious with multiple round of 16 knockouts. Standard of english league was also not high (washed utd, chelsea very hot and cold, arsenal in their banter era)
Pique was never regarded as better than Ramos when they were playing. What are we doing
I've watched all these lists and this was definitely your least objective list out of all of them. VVD just insanely disrespected simply cause of accomplishments instead of actual "ability" as a defender. Other lists you prioritize "best" over "greatest" but this was definitely a accomplishment magnified list.
I don’t get how vvd is disrespected, when he threw him at table 1 and even opened up a spot to put him there?
@ Putting VVD behind terry, pique and ramos is clearly not off defending ability
@@Just_Klutch but the other guys that you stated have won A WHOLE LOT more. He’s stated before in all his other tier list videos that achievements are taken into account for him. So them being placed being above vvd is not that shocking and it is not that “disrespectful”
@ Na you’re def right they have accomplished more but that is dependent on teams and eras. Something like ability is solely based on the individual but accomplishments have so much to do with the whole team. The impact in games that the other players have isn’t near the level of VVDs. He was there with Messi and Ronaldo for the best player in the world and that was deservingly.
Pique getting the respect he deserves. He got so washed out at the end that people forget how good he once was.
You can’t say Pique didn’t have howlers in his game when Pique was literally part of the two biggest meltdowns in ucl history????? Not to mention Ramos has longer longevity and Pique couldn’t even hack it in the premier league. IMO you’re picking and choosing criteria on that argument. And don’t get me started on your undervaluing of big goal moments
Completely agree with you,he surely has a huge ball knowledge but he also made a huge mistake on this one.As a former Barca fan I couldnt stand Pique because of games vs Liverpool and Roma and his last 5 years at Barca he was just becoming significantly worse and a liability on defense.Ramos is definitely a better center back between two
Why does hacking it in the Prem matter?
@@AK-bj6fkwell it’s not more so ‘hacking it in the prem’ but it’s more of the fact that he played there and flopped
@@LoyalFan9383 But bar Terry and VVD none of the 4 played in the Prem. I don’t think Pique’s Prem career should be a real mark against him considering what he achieved at Barcelona
@@AK-bj6fk well no one is saying ‘you have to do it in the prem or you suck’ unless you are on about the English or premtards, and yes you make a very good point which is why Salah is one of the best ever but it’s the fact that his Man U career holds him back from being the best, no one is denying his quality at Barcelona but seeing him at Man U is the deciding factor not the main reason
Lyes spitting facts about Pique. Ramos has been very overrated by everyone due to his teams success. Pure defending basis, Pique was above, and so is Van dijk and Terry
ramos > pique button
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Ramos>>>>>pique button is better
Nobody argues about that. But Ramos as a defender is overrated because of his goals. In defending Pepe was always better than him
@@Admiral_Kekdog complete package ramos is better. same With the strikers tier list it wasn't the person who scored the most goals that was in the s tier. Same with this, ramos isn't as good as of a defender but everything else puts him ahead
@@Admiral_Kekdog he's literally the perfect center that any coach would want... goals, tackles, clutch moments, aggression, leadership, sexy beard... what more u want?
@@davispaul2279Llll
VVD best CB ever at his peak WALAHI
Not a Liverpool fan at all but the guy is like Bron of football. Best athletically, incredibly IQ, incredible sweeper, elite ball player, sensational in the air etc.
As a Barca fan who has seen Pique for so many years, I dig your take. The only downside to Pique is he rarely had a good partner for a long time. Puyol left in 2013-14, Mache was good but we needed someone better than him in Europe when our fullbacks would go high, Umtiti was the best partner he had but he lost his physique after the WC, If Vermaelen had not been injury prone we wouldn't see those Europe exists from Roma and Pool. Pique was exceptional in many classicos and the partners around him let him down quite a few times while Ramos always had a good sidekick.
20:37 stray on Fuad 😭😂😂
pique over ramos is one of your takes of all time
🤣🤣🤣
Pique that high is mental to me, I’ve never seen him as a table 1 cb. Table 2 yes but above Ramos seems mental
At worst he’s right at the bottom of table 1
How an earth are a couple of Spurs flops way ahead of Hyppia and Carra. Carra really been done dirty here. Disgusting ball knowledge.
Can't believe my eyes watching Ramos below Pique.
put respect on Pique's name!!!
Pique over Cannavaro is MENTAL ILLNESS. Pique is a top CB, but Cannavaro is one of the very best to ever do it. His D'or win brings so much hate and revisionism on him. This is sick.
Pique over Ramos is ALSO MENTAL ILLNESS. REVISIONISM AT IT'S BEST HERE. LOL. HILARIOUS.
Stones over Dias is AGAIN SICKNESS. LMAO.
VVD TABLE 1 IS CERTIFIED MENTAL SICKNESS. GET YOUR HEAD CHECKED BROTHER. ANYONE WHO WATCHES FOOTBALL FOR MORE THAN A DECADE CANNOT SAY SUCH STUFF WITHOUT BEING ILL. WALLAHI THIS IS A DISGRACEFUL LIST, HORROR.
VVD OVER CANNAVARO IS DELUSIONAL I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT. I'M BLEEDING FROM MY EYES.
@@thesouvik7vvd is table 1 , he should swap pique and cannavaro
The most iconic figure of the 3 Spanish defenders is Ramos but the best defender is Puyol, I would go Puyol > Ramos > Pique. That Spain defence in the World Cup was extremely solid and that was led by Puyol. There was a reason why Spain were allowed to score only 8 goals that whole tournament, they practically conceded nothing all tournament.
FINALLY some respect on Piques name!! 🙏
Kompany disappeared when city needed him most in the champions league when they were good enough to compete but their big players didn’t step up. Also he was disappointing for Belgium
Agree with Tier 1 outside of Pique, JT/Ramos and VVD are much better overall. I would have most of Tier 2 ahead of Pique tbh, you can't tell me Thiago Silva/Jaap aren't better CB's than him.
theywerent
Pique is one of the best ever easily as well
Pique was the centre back of the best team in football history and the best international team in the last two decades
@@abdiyusuf223 helps when you have the best midfield of all time ahead of you to keep the ball. Remind me again who was playing next to him with Spain? Oh yea Ramos and puyol 👍🏼. Mascherano looked like a good cb with Barca FFS, so that’s not a valid argument, with that midfield and forward line, teams couldn’t get ball
@@fuhadakindele9294so
The disrespect on Carragher is crazy.How are Albiol, King, Alderwaereld, Marquinhos, Luiz, & Koulibali above him?
Best list i've seen, Pique and Van Dijk are all time greats.
Yo that table 1 is kinda mad. Having guys like Pique, Ramos and Terry on the same table as Nesta and Maldini is wild to me, but hey, it's not my list.
ramos and terry are on the same tier as nesta yes
Terry is head of best defensive stat in football history
Ramos was elite also, both are in that tier
@@calm123 Ramos was not an elite defender, and I don't think Terry was, either.
@@mike04574 Nah. Nesta is miles clear.
@@Al-ji4gdterry was are you mad pure defender
Completely agree with Nesta’s rating. He is truly the best CB of the 21st century
VVD being table 1 and Kompany being table 4 is so disrespectful! Kompany was unreal for a decade, captained his team to an era of absolute dominance, bullied defenders like its nothing! There is no way you have a 2 table gap between them I’m sorry
acting like VVD never bullied defenders and was robbed of a balon dor
As a player, VVD is the best CB to ever play in the prem
I am not even denying that VVD is probably the better of the two, but there is no way the difference is that big. Legacy wise Kompany destroys VVD. Ability wise VVD is probably better, but he is not 3 tables above better
Kompany cannot lace van dijk's boots
What did kompany achieve outside of the pl? Name me an iconic performance in europe, VVD went to 3 UCL finals in 5 years lol
Ramos is a whole lot better defensively than most people are giving him credit for... I think a great indicator of a CBs defensive qualities is how they perform at later stages when their physical attributes wither and they have to rely on their iq, positioning and timing. And Ramos was MUCH better in his later years than someone like Pique with all due respect.
Great point tbh. Terry, Silva, Ferdinand, Ramos were all elite in their later years. Pique was very good but not elite.
@mohdjunaid787 Pique was far less than good especially in his last 2 seasons, Barca fans were literally killing him every game and wanted him to stop.
Ramos in comparison left Madrid and still had good seasons individually with PSG and Sevilla.
The Pique take of being top 5 is so elite 🙌🙌🙌
W list as a liverpool fan i was kinda scared his hot take was gonna be that VVD is table 3 or something but im happy to see him getting the respect he deserves and i agreed with the reasoning and ranking of all of the other players especially pique what a player he was man
Keepers tier list? Or am i an asshole?
I agree keepers tier list
Casillas numero uno
Otamendi too low Lyes cmon brother. World Cup, 2 Copa Americas, 2 PL Titles, Europa league with Porto, FA Cup, 4 🏴 league cups, 4 🇵🇹 league Titles, 4 🇵🇹 Super Cups, won liga Portugal defender of the year in 22/23 season at the age of 35. Also one of the most fearless defenders on this entire list. Guy played like the more pain he went through the better he got throughout the game.
Sorry but goddamn that guy gets way too overhated because of a few mistakes he made while partnered with non ball playing cbs in Kompany, demichellis, mangala. Until pep joined and he slowly became the one making no errors at all.
He almost cost Argentina a World Cup. At city he was no better than current Romero at spurs
TALKKKKK ABOUT GODINNNNN MANNNN, LOVED THAT SECTION, HE IS TOP 5 OF MY FAVORITE CENTRE BACKS AS WELL
Homie ask any Barca or Spain fan in that time, they said Puyol made Pique look better. Puyol far and away the best Spanish defender on this list, and the fact you’ve put van dijk above Puyol is actually nasty work. Van Dijk has achievements but when we talk about the elite, I think he doesn’t touch table 1. I hate Terry but he is 3rd on this list no question. Thiago Silva goes above van dijk too. You said it yourself Thiago Silva at 39 was still bossing it. I think Puyol was the same no doubt.
Van Dijk is comfortably table 2 but I think his stature and his natural build boost him a lot which is why people rate him so much. I think atleast 4-5 defenders you put below van dijk accomplished more in the game, and were more intelligent than him as a defender and executed it at the same time. I also think as a defender, being a leader is not something you put much weight on in this video. But defending requires so much communication and organizing and being a captain in that back line.
Pique doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near that Table 1 conversations. He was not even better Godin.
agree, most overrated
Ramos is not the best defensive cb of all time, but for a complete package id rate ramos as the best cb of all time. Scoring important goals, strong defensively, strong on the ball, good range of passing and most importantly an actual leader. And maldini is the best defensively closely followed by nesta
I’d say Terry is the most versatile if you give extra points to defensive but if you’re focusing on only versatile then VVD deserves a shout
@@Deathmare235 vvd is better defensively then Ramos by a bit. But on all the other aspects i rate ramos higher. Vvd had the potential to be atleast the 2nd best cb of all time but he only had like 4-5 good years and didnt win that much. Ramos maldini were on top of their game for 10+ years
Pique is a great defender but if you're comparing him to ramos you'll have to take into account the types of teams they played for, mourinho's real was infamously good on the counter but they used to absorb alot more pressure than barcas teams where possession was the key to their success
Fair play for giving stones more credit than casuals/haters but when he’s fit he’s as good as anyone on tier 2
Pique tier 1 is absolute fckin insanity. You keep bringing up defensive record but you surely havent forgotten that Barcelona in their primes years had 70% + ball possesion most games. Everytime something went wrong or Barca looked bad Pigue was many times involved. He was one of the weaker links of prima Barca imo. Thats not the worst thing to be because he was still really good in the air and with his feet and thats the best team to have ever excist.
weaker links of barca🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@LyesClips when someone says something with 5 emotes its like so dead instant... i expect more from you tbh obv the weakest link of PRIME barca was the gk but after that im looking towards pique and some others maybe but as i said being the ''weaker'' link of prime Barca doesnt mean you are bad just saying if im naming the best players of prime barca his name has to wait a bit to pop up
@@themo881emots? 😅😅
@therealhb1763 you go in every comment for a typing Error ?
@@themo881 I didn't try to correct you donkey you spelled the word emotes right
The pique overrating is craaaaaazy bro. Other than that I honestly agree with alot on this list, no prem bias! Kompany is where he should be for me aswell
I agree with that Pique take Lyes. He is insanely disrespected for his last years at Barca and for what mbappe and bayern did to him
Because Pique is underrated doesnt mean he should be overrated. Pique top 5 is nasty work Lyes😭
You have started watching football 5 years ago, when Piqué was declining
@@miquelcanosasanteularia1678oh dear
He's EASLY top 5, the only question is whether he was better than Ramos. As a defender I think he was, but as a player and a figure/leader to the team Ramos was, which is why I have Ramos above him.
Although if you actually watched them both in their primes and throughout their careers, it's close.
@ definitely not ‘easily’ lmfao
@LoyalFan9383 he's easily better than Van Dijk, and maybe not easily but still better than Terry for me. Whether he's 3rd or 4th, or even 5th which I disagree with, he's top 5.
Good list. But yeah, when it comes to football abilities, I would probably pick Van Dijk over both Ramos and Pique.
He did say he had to take career and winning into account. VVD is way higher when it comes to peak and natural ability but he's held back by trophy cabinet and longevity (compared to the players above him)
Pique over ramos is disrespect. Barca had most of the ball all the time so Pique didn't have to defend much. Ramos was always defending and he has a three peat
Puyol is my favorite defender O.A.T. I'm glad you showed him respect. Hes the defenition of a leader that do everything to win games.
OH HELL YEAH
I was looking forward to see where you put Pique and you absolutely 100% did the right thing💪💪💪
That's it you ball knowledge is honestly amazing I gotta leave you a sub
Fun fact about Maldini: he was naturally right-footed
Video suggestion: Ranking the best World Cup players since 2000
I agree with Nesta above Maldini as a CB. It's fair as Maldini played most of his career as a LB.
I appreciate you putting respect on Marquez’ name, but aye he should 100% be chatting to Bonucci, maybe Boateng, but he shouldn’t be in the same tier as Rudiger for sure. Koulibaly is fortunate to make table 4 above Cordoba and Laporte as well. Campbell should be table 4 too imo. But this is probably the best tier list so far, the top 5 is PERFECT.
I don’t think pique is a tier one centre back his prime was absolutely amazing but he lacked consistency throughout the later back of his career, I personally rate puyol higher because of his consistency. And company by the looks of it is extremely underrated.
It’s kinda weird I would have said the complete opposite that he had crazy longevity and decent consistency until final few years but never had insane insane peak or year
@@justintime7351nah 2009 to 2012 he was insane and arguably the best in the world in his position after that he never got back to that level except probably 2015 and 2019 but the other years he wasn't that great and he had soo many howlers throughout those years
@@walidchouai609414/15 was Pique best season
Don’t know what worse, Rudiger over dias or koulibaly over laporte😂😂😂
Bro the disrespect pique gets is crazy
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Thiago Silva should be ahead of Pique and be considered tier 1...the fact that he could come to the Premier league now and dominate it at 39 is just insane....the only reason why he doesn't get as hyped as Ramos is because of his cool nature, and ain't as aggressive and Ramos moment in the UCL while Thiago Silva played in PSG who had no chance of winning the UCL and internationally Brazil's midfield were so bad
Great take on Marquinnos. I agreed on your rank because of his consistent decline. Lucio- love to see him appreciated!
The Pique take is rogue. Underrated, sure. Table 1? I’m sorry, that’s an L take. I could see top of table 3, but no chance he’s above John Terry.
Edit: in general though, pretty good effort. I completely agree with Terry > Ferdinand, I actually think Ferdy should be below Puyol, Stam, TS, and Vidic at bottom of table 2. Lucio is awesome, completely agree on that. Hyypia also too low. Some other things but cba to list them all.
I’m a PSG fan and to be fair to Marquinhos he had an excellent 20/21 (the immediate season after O’Monstro left us) and had some clutch goals for us in the Champions League. He’s just unfortunately a player that relies heavily on confidence, intrinsically as a footballer I think he deserves much higher than table 5 but I’d understand arguments for his mentality keeping him that low.
Thank you Lyes! Pique is > than Ramos! Thank youuuuu! The slander on Pique is crazy! But thank you for the Pique love!
Your channel is great and u seem like a good guy. The problem with Centre Back lists is: What do u base it on? If just pure defending Chiellini, Vidic and Cannavaro should be top tier. VVD and Pique are better ball playing centre backs.
Bro went from tier list to I am Jose Mourinho 🤣🤣🤣
I think you let your Man United bias seep through. Silva is better than Rio for me, and so is Vidic. But I'd also have Puyol above Stam and potentially above Rio and Vidic. Puyol was the most important defender in the best national team of our lifetimes, and has achieved more than any player on this list alongside the other Spaniards.
It's the system due to which barca had a better defensive record, not the defenders. As they say, attack is the best form of defence. When a team has over 70% of the ball all the time, ofcourse they will be conceding lesser goals than a team which is all about direct attacks, and not playing according to a particular system. City constantly concede much lesser goals than liverpool in the league, but that didnt make you say that stones/dias are better defenders than fucking van dijk. People think it's a crazy take to have pique over ramos, but it's really not. Ramos is the most dependable guy who even with his defensive weaknesses, kept real madrid's defence steady (with marcelo playing as high as a fullback can do)
Do you know how many transitions Barca would concede? They kept the ball a lot it doesn’t mean teams never attacked them.
That being said, pique is heavily trolled and is an underrated defender. He was constantly top 3-5 over a decade but he's table 2. Saying pique was the best defender in 18/19 barring van dijk is plain stupid 😂
In the later years, from 2018 he never was the same
@@LyesClips You're completely obfuscating the argument. That Barcalona side (principally 2009-2014) faced the fewest attacks of any team in the top 5 Leagues in Europe. So yes, teams did in essence 'never attack them' when compared to every other side lmao.
@@LyesClipsand it's those counters that put them away in the champions league multiple times, most infamously when mourinho's team put them away in the semis, if you're giving flowers to pique for game reading you have to criticize his actual defending in key moments because players like Van Djik and Nesta are accomplished in both aspects far more than pique
this man really put pique over cannavaro and Ferdinand 🤦
Can pique is better🤣🤣🤣
As he should. Pique is superior to both.
Why we acting as if pique was an average player of some sort? He literally dominated and was one of the key DEFENSIVE players for both barça and his country.
Ferdinand was a terrible player
Barca tax. People think because Barca dominated, it means their defenders were also great. They weren't.
Ramos had 2 peaks one while playing lb and another as a cb that pique take is the worst take iver heard in a while, diabolical.
Dead ball knowledge. Ramos never played as a lb
As a Finn it warms my heart seeing Hyypia on this kind of a list
7:45 when you start setting it up like this you know bro is going down 😂
I know lyes never said this, but the people saying ramos is a red card and foul merchant are so disrespectful and dont know a thing about being a cb or defender. Shame on them for direspecting the greatest center back of the 21st century
Pique over Ramos is exactly the kind of opinion people should go to jail for.
Godin was the reason why there was a madrid rivalry for a long time vs prime ronaldo madrid
Kompany should higher. But your lack of appreciation for big moments is clear. CB’s that pop up with huge goals is such an asset Ramos, Terry, Kompany u can’t undervalue the importance of some of there goals .