I found out a few weeks ago that Hello Games were working on their next big game, and I immediately started to dream about a fantasy based world done in the same style as NMS. It was like I dreamed the future, so to say I am stoked is putting it mildly!
I'm optimistic since much of what was shown looked to be more polished elements taken for NMS. But since it is a small team of about 12 working on it, I'm keeping my expectations low as to what it will be at launch. I will definitely give it a try, though.
agreed, but one thing i do know is that if on the off chance LNF does have a bad launch I know that Hello Games is the type of studio to dedicate themselves to fixing the game, just like they did with NMS!
Thank you for comparing it to Minecraft. I was looking at this game as a possible true successor to it in a way. My friends and I play like nomads building a small camp/base and only staying for a short time before moving on. I bet this game will have that same feel. Cozy yet survival.
I'm very optimistic about this next game. We'll have a large fantasy planet with multiple biomes and visible landmarks and destinations that will encourage us to explore the world. I can't wait to see what the gameplay will be like.
My biggest concern is that a lot of people commenting on Light No Fire is that they are comparing it to RPGs. And I don't think it's going to be heavily quest driven with dungeons and progression that people expect from RPGs. I think, like NMS, it'll have some quests to introduce people to the world and gameplay and will have environmental lore, but will be more of a sandbox. Which I'm totally fine with, but worry that people's expectations might not match it. But we'll see!
Flowing water. Please! Actual rivers, lakes at different elevations, streams, waterfalls... They still haven't figured out water in NMS, I hope to god they figure/d it out for LNF.
This is the game I have been waiting for. I love NMS, but this is something special and on a whole other level. I cannot wait to see what night time dangers lurk in this world. Exploring is going to be so much fun.
I love NMS. I have the utmost respect for the team at Hello Games. The biggest weakness I see in NMS is as you said the whole planet being one biome. And this is different. So looking forward to this.
I was on the NMS hypetrain before, and we know how that went. I now like NMS alot tho. I am cautious with being super excited. I've just watched a video of Sean Murray 8 years ago, claiming you can fly into the blackness of space (you cant leave a solarsystem so no). He said planets were earth sized, while an average nms planet is roughly 300km across, not 12500km across (earth is big). He said there would be oceans and mountainranges. However I've never found an ocean more then 200m deep or a mountain anywhere near a kilometer. So for now I'll wait (with excitement, can't help myself) for more facts to be shown true. I want an actual earth sized planet. Actual 8km high mountainranges that would take a looooong time to climb, actual forests that stretch for miles and miles, oceans that are 10km deep, GrandCanyon like features in the terrain and actual diversity, not 10sqkm patches of single biome nms planets stitched together as "Multiple Biomes".
I am exceedingly optimistic for LNF. I adored NMS at launch, and have been astonished again and again by HG's dedication to expanding and deepening the game. From the trailer, it looks as though LNF will build on the strengths of NMS - and, as you say, the strengths of HG as a team - and take them even further. Even setting aside story and RPG elements, the sandbox on offer here looks to be beyond compare. (I also want to play as humanoid otter, and ride a kingfisher.)
I think both game will have a place in the heart of the viewers. I love fantasy games and this will fill that niche for me to play. I also have been extremely happy with NoMansSky and would be sad if Hello games did not continue to polish and develop that game as well. They have given back to the gamer constantly with this game and I hope that LightNoFire will be the same model that they are currently using with NMS. The future continues to look bright for Hello Games
Firstly, Let's be real. The moment Sean announced this game whole NMS community decided to buy it. :) Now, several important questions: -Will this game be as bad as NMS on lunch? - - No, because many of the systems will be taken from NMS (it is easy to guess and even see in the Trailer). So, it will be more polish game than NMS on lunch. - Will this game have problems? - - Absolutely, when Sean told that it is more challenging task than NMS ProcGen, he was hugely downplaying the level of difficulty. Yes, NMS universe is Huge and is no way the algorithm easy to develop. However, as Video mentioned most of the Planets have same Biome, see one place know whole planet.(To the credit of NMS, the real space is like that. Most of planets have mostly one biome. Look at Our star system, only planet with biome diversity is our dear Earth. Every other planet is pretty much one big biome with small insignificant changes). However, Light No Fire, decided to create multi-biome planet. Which means that biome should seamless transition into one another. There should be more big variety (11+) biomes. with all of them having different conditions and different local animals with their distinct appearances. This is in no way easy undertaking. And Can say that difficulty of these is in the League of its own. - Will the planet be big enough? - - if u look at NMS planets, you may think that one planet is not that big of a place, which is true for NMS because they aren't really that comparable to real planet sizes. You can even say they are small. However, real Earth size planet, Which yeah compare to rest of the Universe is small, but in reality for us it is so huge that most of humanity can't even phantom the size of earth. So, in no way can Earth sized planet can be called small for a humanoid. So, Yes planet will be more than big enough. The real question should be if it will have enough diversity so that all that traveling can be justified and rewarding. - What will be other problematic and challenging part? - - Seamless world and "One Server". Firstly: Seamless world without loading is in the game. And Yes we saw it and in Trailer it looked amazing, however what kind of FPS drops it will take will be shown only after game comes out. It is challenging, but according to the trailer manageable. Secondly: One Server. Sean told that everyone will be on the same planet, which means that it will be one server world, which doesn't really mean that it will only have one server, most likely the whole world will be cut into multitude of different servers, which will interact with each other in such a way that it will fill as if there is one server, which is possible. But this approach has a huge flaw. what if huge amount of people decided to meet up in one place? they effectively would be on the same server which will overload it and create huge amount of lag and most Likely crashes. So, It is a very worrying issue. Of course, for now it is not tag as MMO and only online co-op. So maybe they will go old fashion way of NMS and make only manage small amount of people in one server. But it is not what he said in the "interview", in it he implied One Huge MMO. So, my best advice is don't hope for MMO. It will 100% be online multiplayer but not MMO. - Will it be good/enjoyable on day one? - - Maybe, I won't say it won't. However, I believe it will become 50% better game on first major update. Why, because of the feedback. People often mention how Hello games never stopped working on NMS to make it better, which is 100% Truth and they deserve all the praise. But they sometimes forget that the reason why they managed to make NMS better wasn't only their dedication and integrity, but the community support too. Both NMS and LNF are huge games with many bugs, which Hello games can't detect for the shear size of it. So, the community feedback is integral for them. They will be getting feedback on bugs, on what people dislike about UI, about gameplay, etc. Of course, they won't be able to fix most of these things in one update. However, the first update will tackle major issue and gameplay feel. Which would improve the gaming experience. And afterwards they will slowly take care of other things and given even more feedback make the game even more enjoyable. TLDR. I am buying it on release :D
Years ago when no man's sky was first being talked about I made videos on my channel saying that it was going to be an amazing game because of its updates it was gonna get and I'm predicting the same lighting in a bottle times 10 with this game the updates are what I'm waiting for already this is gonna be another amazing journey and I'm already signed up for it
【Shades Finnish Pirates】1 thing No Man's Sky lacks : enemies to kill. I just wish to have humanoid (skeleton no don't count) to battle into in the fantasy setting, i actually have it as one of the things that makes the game for me to be a hit or a hard pass and i just can't get invested being a monster & undead & boss killer when i think about my fantasy setting dream.
Over the last few years alot of developers have lost my trust, But Hello games has more than earned their redemption after the poor release of No man's sky and this will be a day one purchase for me.
I think Light No Fire will be better simply because the game will most likely have base building and multiplayer on day 1 of release rather than waiting months or years for those features to be added to the game lol Honestly, It would not surprise me at all if light no fire also ended up having a more appealing gameplay loop for a lot of players than no man sky curently does since I suspect that in order to gain resources players will have to go out and fight creatures they meet in the world. If that turns out to be the case, than right off the bat light no fire will win over people who were not big fans of no man sky rock shooting gameplay loop.
I totally agree here. I've been playing No Man's Sky since a little before the desolation update and love the game. Light No Fire promises to be even better.
I will get Light not Fire on day one for sure on consoles, crazy nms fan over here but I will say that for me there's only one aspect where Light no fire wins nms and is that lnf is a game design for next gen consoles and it shows. Nms is bound to last gen machines, yes we can play on pc and ps5 or xbox at 4k 60fps crazy graphics but the procedural generation of the universe is bound by the limits of the ps4/switch generation. So for me yes lnf surpass nms in procedural generation because of this but other than that a medieval fantasy game will never be for me as important as a scfi game. If I want medieval stuff i'm going for Dark Souls/Elden Ring/Bloodborne... from soft games... I'm a From Soft sucker so for me other fantasy games are not there because they lack From gameplay. But can we imagine for a second that hello games has in store in the future for us also a nms version that is not bound to last gen machines for the procedural generation? can we imagine how nms could be pushing lnf visuals ?
I'm a fan of NMS and you raise really good points. I remain quite skeptical, though, for two reasons: first, I doubt Hello Games' ability to provide a stable multiplayer experience, because with NMS that rarely is the case. But with NMS it's not as troublesome, becauseit was born as a single-player experience and the multiplayer side doesn't add much. With Light No Fire... it's supposed to be a multiplayer experience from the get go. It's the first thing announced in the trailer! Second, as much as I enjoy playing NMS, I rarely return to it now because of the lack of gaming loops that are truly engaging. With the exception of some specific things such as Desolation, they rarely added these loops to the game in seven years. And when we get new ones (such as the harmonic camps), most of the tasks we have to do are quite repetitive and feel like chores. A giant Earth in a fantasy setting offers a lot of emergent gameplay by itself. But I'm REALLY hoping Hello Games can provide a stable multiplayer platform and more "game-y" elements to Light No Fire.
I wonder if they will have 1 giant server for all systems to play on together or 3 giant servers for PC, Xbox, and PlayStation. What's the magic system going to be like too, knowing them, it might have to do with resource gathering and applying specific resources to different things or mixing them together to make magic.
Light no fire will hopefully be a huge leap forward and i can't wait. But if they take what they learn from light no fire and put it into no mans sky 2 that will be their best project. Imagine a galaxy full of earth sized planets all with multpile biomes and whatever else they add.
If LNF can be more combat focus (not nessesarily souls-like) but heavy combat, with building, taming, and survival, it definately is gonna be a hit. Also Enshrouded has quite a simmilar concept, lets see which turns out more "fun'
I'm excited for this game. That being said, it would be amazing if they released a game with a few settled solar systems that each have diverse planets that are large, that would give you a wide and deep game if they gave it a good story and missions. It would be a true masterpiece that people could play for years. Kind of a middle ground between light no fire and no man's sky.
NMS has been the testing ground for the systems and tools Hello games are using to craft LnF, guaranteed. Given what we've seen from HG in the last few years proves to me they can knock this out of the park. The potential is insane.
I hope its gonna be a better Valheim, but it could NEVER be better than NMS in my opinion, I mean if we can really build a home base in a space station, its the most epic game ever
Dropping support for legacy hardware alone would vastly improve NMS. Just compare the base game to some if the PC mods. Also optimizing polygons would help a lot, but GGs doesn't seem to know how to do that.
Been in No Man Sky since day 1. I just want to know if it’s like the same gameplay as NMS or is it very different. Like instead of finding lore will we have a story or is that not possible with procedural generation?
I’m sure LNF could easily be an enjoyable survival/crafting game, but I’m really hoping it’ll be MMO-ish otherwise most of its massive world will be remain uninhabited
I think the getting game will be testing bad for each other, because if something comes out for one, they can test it on the other game and something comes out on the other game. They can test it on the other game so I bet is two sides are the same time, and be funny if it was up, connecting the two world.
Well NMS in my opinion is better just because its so big with so many planets and it feels real and immersive even tho NMS doesn’t have all that players want in it
"every planet the same biome" mostly false. There are a lot of similarities sure, but look at the ice planets vs desert planets vs hexagonal planets. There is A LOT of variety. the hilly shapes can feel similar at times, but you still get unique rock formations, some are more open than others, certain parts of the same planet are full of water and tiny islands while the opposite end of the planet is a giant land mass, and everything in-between. I've been playing the hell out of No Man's Sky lately and yes, the biome variety is absolutely there.
I hope its more than NMS on rails... I could go for a NMS valheim copy but it needs more indpeth mechanics than valheim if so... more meaningful progression not a few world bosses that lead nowhere.
100% getting this day one. Why? HG has over a decade of experience grabbing gamers input on what worked and didn’t work for NMS. Will they still have changes to be made? Sure. But I will have far more confidence that it won’t be so unpolished like the start of NMS. I do hope this is in 2024 but we’ll see what happens.
Never cared for NMS since it never appealed to me, Space stuff just aint for me. I have heard good things about it as of recent which gives me hope for this new game they are making. I saw this trailer during the VGA and immediately went to wishlist it. Keeping expectations low because that's the safe thing to do these days but it is promising that they showed actual gameplay footage.
I prefer fantasy so I'll like it better, but it might still not be my cup of tea and that's okay. I like a bit more structure in my games. I WANT to like NMS, but I always feel like I lack a point of doing anything.
I am a huge bugthesda fan but Im scared of procedural world generation because Starfield was god awful, empty boring. I hope this is diff. also is there going to be chemistry? you know, do i have to remember the periodic table of elements to play this game?
The trailer on Hello Games' channel has broken 8 million views. Have gamers learned nothing from overhyping things? I'm excited, but I'm incredibly cautious. I guess that's just my experience talking though.
It needs to be a much better game than NMS, which is a good but not a great game. It's not pretty graphics that make a great game and NMS lacks badly in certain areas, especially story and challenge. Hello Games have not yet shown that they can do anything beyond pretty pictures. I really hope they can pull it off though.
My two current concerns are: 1. The flying looks boring and bland, it looks unimaginative and 1 dimensional. Really hope they make the flight really fun and entertaining with some easy-to-learn basic controls but a high skill gap. 2. the combat system makes or breaks a fantasy game for me. i really hope it isn't a button masher but again has some skill level init to make it more then just upgrade etc...
why do you keep falling into the hype mentality? it's going to launch as a broken mess. i have no doubt hello games will update and patch as time goes by. but on launch? no thanks.
The only thing I hate about LNF, and it will ruin the fun for me, is the FANTASY angle. Flying dragons, flaming swords and random magic BS that can retcon each and every event, I'm so sick of it all! I wish it was more naturally 'realistic' with some fantasy elements perhaps. Not this magic lamp BS. AGAIN.
NMS was meant to be a single player exploration game where 9 out of 10 planets were dead and the other one would have life and give you a “woah” moment.. And that life was meant to be “endless” in terms of the procedural generation and possibilities of how it would look.. Obviously it didn’t turn out that way but what they’ve turned NMS into since is the complete opposite of what it was supposed to be.. Instead of turning it into what it was originally meant to be they bowed down to the modern day entitled gamer and turned it into some pathetic base building, quest having multiplayer nonsense to please the average person instead of the people they originally aimed it at.. Space geeks.
I'm keeping my hype in check. It looks nice, but LNF will not be what I'm looking for if there's little to no dangerous, challenging things to do that rewards us with loot or progression. It'll need depth via content. It'll need to be deeper than "knee deep".
I dont know enough about light no fire to say either way. Lets not make the hype train too big here. If it's an mmo or always online thing i wont even bother. We already have too many griefers in nms enough to make going online frustrating at best.. no thanks.
I'm a day 1 player of No Man's Sky and I've always loved it. But what happened with that game left a small trauma. I will be very catious up until the release. It looks cool but we need to take everything we see and hear with a grain of salt until we see the game in action and we can properly analyse/critisize it.
Bro... its gunna be fine... you didnt experience trauma because a VIDEO GAME wasnt what you thought it would be upon release. Let's not be over dramatic 😂 Hello Games has done nothing but listen to and appeal to the community. It's going to be awesome.
It''s just a way of saying things. Of course it wasn't a real trauma.. I was a teenager back then and my expectations were through the roof. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't let their imaginations run wild because then it will lead to major disappointment
HG can't make fun gameplay loops, nms is not a fun game, its a good looking shallow experience. Desolation was the only time they ever nailed it. I'm not touching this because it will be boring just like NMS
No it won’t, the problem with nms was quantity over quality and the combat was boring. Light no Fire is going to be quality over quantity. The combat seems to be better as well. One other important thing is that Light No Fire should be challenging, unlike nms which is very easy when it comes to basically anything.
@@DRfuse9 they still want to populate an entire planet, that's still ridiculous in terms of quantity. I very much doubt that they can have a core gameplay loop that is fun enough to make you want to see it all. Combat may be better but that alone won't make the game worthwhile. HG just doesn't know how to do proper game design. They can add all the bells and whistles that make their games LOOK fun, but in the end it isn't actually engaging to play. The last campfire was their best game in this regard, because it felt rewarding at times.
I am so exited for this. I think no mans sky is amazing, but my heart belongs to the fantasy genre first and scifi second. Also love survival crafting alot so this game is gonna scratch all my itches
Though this looks to be the NMS engine on steroids (i.e. the core is the same), I'm hopeful if they can get some procedural dungeons in play in LNF, we may get to see that in NMS (dungeons in ruins, or better caverns, etc...). That's what I really miss ... the different planets are enough to give a different feel ... I don't *need* the different biomes on the same planet, but I'd like more in depth exploration while on a given planet. Beyond that, I'm getting this when it releases. Looks like my thing just as NMS was. Just sit there and have a single fleshed out world to wander around on.
Plus the trailer shows a lot of content that has already been released in NMS so we know it is real content and how it will work. The flying is starship flight, the ocean looks like abyss, capes, the building system races etc. So it seems they will launch with a lot of the updates from NMS already. The thing that worries me is combat. Combat in NMS is very very basic and I have a feeling it will be the same here but I would love to be wrong, heck even if I'm not they'll probably fix it later, they actually listen. But I'm really glad that they not only learned the lessons but are including those updates in the base game instead of pulling a 'sims' on us.
Another thing is the addition of staffs to nms was clearly made for lnf and was adapted, we’re already getting lnf content even without getting the game
This will launch much smoother than NMS did. If you didn’t know this was a new game, I could see where someone could think this is a fantasy/medieval update for NMS. The engine is identical, the movements of the characters are identical, the foliage is identical. They’ve got the know how and experience now. As long as Sean keeps his mouth shut 😂, they’ll be fine.
This game looks like it could become my forever game. But it's at a minimum, a year away and most likely more then that away from being launched. It's to far out for me to give it any hope. I have to see it to believe it. All of that pessimism aside though, the game looks freaking AWESOME!!!. It looks like I could get lost for years in that planet.
❤, one thing I noticed was that the flying animals are definitely not as fast as star ships so the loading in of objects in the world was much smoother as they flew out. The mountain though was like a low quality nms mountain I'm sure they will have better geographic terrain but I kinda wish Sean would have not said kilometer high mountain because it might just be a very long textured wrap of the out-of-bounds underground.😅 I'm thrilled about playing as a bunny person 😄👍🏻.
They looked hella high compared to how small the people looked. I wonder if there will be climbing gear items, I want to see how long it would take to really climb a mountain. But, you might be right too
@@SozioTheRogue if it is truly an earth sized planet to traverse that *should* take months or more due to obstacles. (mountains, seas, rivers etc.) Not to mention you're probably on the menu in many of these locations. A map this size would be very crazy. It will probably put the NMS planets to shame I think. I've covered vast distances on foot / jet pack in NMS -- so this earth sized world is gonna have to be much bigger than that. Maybe 100 fold or more? And earth isn't even considered that big of a planet... like Jupiter as an example... 11 times the diameter of Earth.
@@AustinAirCo Yeah, It would make for cool content. I wonder how deep the magic system could be and how you acquire magic. I'm thinking it'll be some kind of material that you craft in conjunction with a crystal to make specific magical spells or elements.
@@AustinAirCo I'm definitely going fox or cat. If I choose cat, i'll be Sir Dog. I'f I go with Fox, I will actively be untrusting of other races do to the mythical stereotype of me being a "shifty sneaky fox." Wouldn't be a true Earth without some character development of a former speciesist. Lol
The optimist in me thinks maybe NMS becomes even better eventually due to the work that goes into LNF and vice versa. It's clear that probably some of the same tech in both games is a benefit of the other. The king fisher or hummingbird likely can hover, mince that with the interceptor ships. The staffs probably a product of LNF just a difference in the mechanics of fantasy versus mechanical in NMS. If anything proved how big the Space genre is the numbers for Starfield aren't no accident. AND they've been working on NMS and LNF both simultaneously for the past 5 years, which is crazy to think about for me because I only started playing NMS in 2018. Then all those updates for NMS and likely a big one in 2024. I think we may see a 5.0 update to NMS next year maybe just before the launch of LNF. I think it's going to be like you say when LNF drops here it is, find your way. It's a survival game afterall so you're expected to learn as you go. If the singular planet of LNF teaches HG's better imagine what this might do to a void like area in NMS. These two titles may feed of one another for quite a while. Either way we'll be torn which one to play.
It has RPG elements, quests, varied enemies, survival aspects, exploration, lots of NPCs, inventory, journal (maybe), puzzles and mysteries. This sounds much better to me than NMS - and I LOVE NMS!
Another thing to mention, although you kind of touched on it, is that a lot of the assets and mechanics are already built and tested. While I'm sure this game will add a lot of new things for itself, the foundational tech needed to make a lot of it work is already in NMS, and theyve been able to iterate on it over time. Mounts and building mechanics are two good examples.
90% pure optimism and hype, 10% caution. Even though I fully trust HG and I’ve been with NMS since launch, I’m still not gonna deny to possibility the launch could go wrong
You can see the foundation of No Mans Sky in that trailer, from animations to camera movement, which means meaningless story-telling and very VERY limited NPC interactions, enemy AI and scripting. Unless they've been hard at work on NPC AI and scripting, I already know that I'm getting, and I'm not impressed. Video games have massively stagnated, as they chase graphical fidelity over fun gameplay mechanics and evolving NPC AI and immersion. I'll wait this one out, and only buy it on sale WAY after release, and only if the reviews are telling me the AI and world is groundbreaking.
LNF is a game I've dreamed of since Hello Games turned NMS around. I'm still a little cautious about how good the game will be but since it's by Hello Games i feel like i can trust that it will be great. My only hope is that there will be a class system, I've wanted a survival crafter RPG since ark: survival evolved came out so being able to pick a class when you start or slowly flesh one out as you progress would be a dream come true. Classes like Knights, Clerics, Thieves, Assassins, Mages, Necromancers and stuff of the like would make this game an instant 11/10 for me!
From what I'm seeing... this looks and acts like NMS's graphic engine. The camera movements, player focus, heck sub some space ships in place of dragons and birds... which come to think of it, many of those ships appear to have been based on various animals/insects... I personally will have to wait to see some real live gameplay. I don't typically do MMO games.... so I'm hoping this has SP mode, as does NMS.
The reason why I never revisited NMS was the poor physics, the very assisted ship flying, cluttered economy system, and the emphasis on multiplayer and base building, instead of focusing on maki g exploration more intimate. Most of the updates were just adding content over a game that still severely needs an overhaul on all aspects.
As a NMS day one player my prediction is this... 1 planet from atmosphere to core, fully functioning. It'll use the entire NMS universe code, it won't even be "scaled down" except visually. That'll be the catch. It'll be an entire universe on one planet.
I found out a few weeks ago that Hello Games were working on their next big game, and I immediately started to dream about a fantasy based world done in the same style as NMS. It was like I dreamed the future, so to say I am stoked is putting it mildly!
I'm optimistic since much of what was shown looked to be more polished elements taken for NMS. But since it is a small team of about 12 working on it, I'm keeping my expectations low as to what it will be at launch. I will definitely give it a try, though.
agreed, but one thing i do know is that if on the off chance LNF does have a bad launch I know that Hello Games is the type of studio to dedicate themselves to fixing the game, just like they did with NMS!
Thank you for comparing it to Minecraft. I was looking at this game as a possible true successor to it in a way. My friends and I play like nomads building a small camp/base and only staying for a short time before moving on. I bet this game will have that same feel. Cozy yet survival.
Damn... If this game is as good as trailer shows, and we get Full VR support, im never leaving my house again.
Yeah vr support would be great. I probably won't end up playing it much if it isn't vr lol.
I'm very optimistic about this next game. We'll have a large fantasy planet with multiple biomes and visible landmarks and destinations that will encourage us to explore the world. I can't wait to see what the gameplay will be like.
Ditto!
Needs to have VR
I agree
My biggest concern is that a lot of people commenting on Light No Fire is that they are comparing it to RPGs. And I don't think it's going to be heavily quest driven with dungeons and progression that people expect from RPGs. I think, like NMS, it'll have some quests to introduce people to the world and gameplay and will have environmental lore, but will be more of a sandbox. Which I'm totally fine with, but worry that people's expectations might not match it.
But we'll see!
They said in the steam "It had the depth of a role playing game" apparently.
Flowing water. Please! Actual rivers, lakes at different elevations, streams, waterfalls... They still haven't figured out water in NMS, I hope to god they figure/d it out for LNF.
If they do one big update every year for this, I will gladly pay $20 for it every year to support HG
This is the game I have been waiting for. I love NMS, but this is something special and on a whole other level. I cannot wait to see what night time dangers lurk in this world. Exploring is going to be so much fun.
I love NMS. I have the utmost respect for the team at Hello Games. The biggest weakness I see in NMS is as you said the whole planet being one biome. And this is different. So looking forward to this.
I was on the NMS hypetrain before, and we know how that went. I now like NMS alot tho. I am cautious with being super excited. I've just watched a video of Sean Murray 8 years ago, claiming you can fly into the blackness of space (you cant leave a solarsystem so no). He said planets were earth sized, while an average nms planet is roughly 300km across, not 12500km across (earth is big). He said there would be oceans and mountainranges. However I've never found an ocean more then 200m deep or a mountain anywhere near a kilometer.
So for now I'll wait (with excitement, can't help myself) for more facts to be shown true.
I want an actual earth sized planet. Actual 8km high mountainranges that would take a looooong time to climb, actual forests that stretch for miles and miles, oceans that are 10km deep, GrandCanyon like features in the terrain and actual diversity, not 10sqkm patches of single biome nms planets stitched together as "Multiple Biomes".
I am exceedingly optimistic for LNF. I adored NMS at launch, and have been astonished again and again by HG's dedication to expanding and deepening the game. From the trailer, it looks as though LNF will build on the strengths of NMS - and, as you say, the strengths of HG as a team - and take them even further. Even setting aside story and RPG elements, the sandbox on offer here looks to be beyond compare.
(I also want to play as humanoid otter, and ride a kingfisher.)
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I think both game will have a place in the heart of the viewers. I love fantasy games and this will fill that niche for me to play. I also have been extremely happy with NoMansSky and would be sad if Hello games did not continue to polish and develop that game as well. They have given back to the gamer constantly with this game and I hope that LightNoFire will be the same model that they are currently using with NMS.
The future continues to look bright for Hello Games
They intend to continue developing No Man's Sky well into Light No Fire. They really love NMS at Hello Games.
Firstly, Let's be real. The moment Sean announced this game whole NMS community decided to buy it. :)
Now, several important questions:
-Will this game be as bad as NMS on lunch?
- - No, because many of the systems will be taken from NMS (it is easy to guess and even see in the Trailer). So, it will be more polish game than NMS on lunch.
- Will this game have problems?
- - Absolutely, when Sean told that it is more challenging task than NMS ProcGen, he was hugely downplaying the level of difficulty. Yes, NMS universe is Huge and is no way the algorithm easy to develop. However, as Video mentioned most of the Planets have same Biome, see one place know whole planet.(To the credit of NMS, the real space is like that. Most of planets have mostly one biome. Look at Our star system, only planet with biome diversity is our dear Earth. Every other planet is pretty much one big biome with small insignificant changes).
However, Light No Fire, decided to create multi-biome planet. Which means that biome should seamless transition into one another. There should be more big variety (11+) biomes. with all of them having different conditions and different local animals with their distinct appearances. This is in no way easy undertaking. And Can say that difficulty of these is in the League of its own.
- Will the planet be big enough?
- - if u look at NMS planets, you may think that one planet is not that big of a place, which is true for NMS because they aren't really that comparable to real planet sizes. You can even say they are small. However, real Earth size planet, Which yeah compare to rest of the Universe is small, but in reality for us it is so huge that most of humanity can't even phantom the size of earth. So, in no way can Earth sized planet can be called small for a humanoid. So, Yes planet will be more than big enough. The real question should be if it will have enough diversity so that all that traveling can be justified and rewarding.
- What will be other problematic and challenging part?
- - Seamless world and "One Server".
Firstly: Seamless world without loading is in the game. And Yes we saw it and in Trailer it looked amazing, however what kind of FPS drops it will take will be shown only after game comes out. It is challenging, but according to the trailer manageable.
Secondly: One Server. Sean told that everyone will be on the same planet, which means that it will be one server world, which doesn't really mean that it will only have one server, most likely the whole world will be cut into multitude of different servers, which will interact with each other in such a way that it will fill as if there is one server, which is possible. But this approach has a huge flaw. what if huge amount of people decided to meet up in one place? they effectively would be on the same server which will overload it and create huge amount of lag and most Likely crashes. So, It is a very worrying issue. Of course, for now it is not tag as MMO and only online co-op. So maybe they will go old fashion way of NMS and make only manage small amount of people in one server. But it is not what he said in the "interview", in it he implied One Huge MMO.
So, my best advice is don't hope for MMO. It will 100% be online multiplayer but not MMO.
- Will it be good/enjoyable on day one?
- - Maybe, I won't say it won't. However, I believe it will become 50% better game on first major update. Why, because of the feedback. People often mention how Hello games never stopped working on NMS to make it better, which is 100% Truth and they deserve all the praise. But they sometimes forget that the reason why they managed to make NMS better wasn't only their dedication and integrity, but the community support too. Both NMS and LNF are huge games with many bugs, which Hello games can't detect for the shear size of it. So, the community feedback is integral for them. They will be getting feedback on bugs, on what people dislike about UI, about gameplay, etc. Of course, they won't be able to fix most of these things in one update. However, the first update will tackle major issue and gameplay feel. Which would improve the gaming experience. And afterwards they will slowly take care of other things and given even more feedback make the game even more enjoyable.
TLDR. I am buying it on release :D
Years ago when no man's sky was first being talked about I made videos on my channel saying that it was going to be an amazing game because of its updates it was gonna get and I'm predicting the same lighting in a bottle times 10 with this game the updates are what I'm waiting for already this is gonna be another amazing journey and I'm already signed up for it
I already have ideas for weird giant structures
I can't wait to start building in this game
LOL, the ad for this video for me was the Light No Fire trailer :)
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【Shades Finnish Pirates】1 thing No Man's Sky lacks : enemies to kill. I just wish to have humanoid (skeleton no don't count) to battle into in the fantasy setting, i actually have it as one of the things that makes the game for me to be a hit or a hard pass and i just can't get invested being a monster & undead & boss killer when i think about my fantasy setting dream.
Over the last few years alot of developers have lost my trust, But Hello games has more than earned their redemption after the poor release of No man's sky and this will be a day one purchase for me.
I think Light No Fire will be better simply because the game will most likely have base building and multiplayer on day 1 of release rather than waiting months or years for those features to be added to the game lol
Honestly, It would not surprise me at all if light no fire also ended up having a more appealing gameplay loop for a lot of players than no man sky curently does since I suspect that in order to gain resources players will have to go out and fight creatures they meet in the world. If that turns out to be the case, than right off the bat light no fire will win over people who were not big fans of no man sky rock shooting gameplay loop.
I don’t get how Hello Games keeps the light on. I lost track of how many free dlcs have been released.
They are a small team and they've released NMS on almost every platform that can play it. It also sold very well over the years.
@@plo617 Well worth it. I have 600+ hours in
I totally agree here. I've been playing No Man's Sky since a little before the desolation update and love the game.
Light No Fire promises to be even better.
I'll miss the space theme, it's one of the thing that made nms so cool to me
Light No Fire looks Lit! 🔥 👍
they took 10 years of nms experience and throwing it into this game, it should start out amazing
No man's sky has redeemed itself and I love it! Im so excited for light no fire!
I will get Light not Fire on day one for sure on consoles, crazy nms fan over here but I will say that for me there's only one aspect where Light no fire wins nms and is that lnf is a game design for next gen consoles and it shows. Nms is bound to last gen machines, yes we can play on pc and ps5 or xbox at 4k 60fps crazy graphics but the procedural generation of the universe is bound by the limits of the ps4/switch generation. So for me yes lnf surpass nms in procedural generation because of this but other than that a medieval fantasy game will never be for me as important as a scfi game. If I want medieval stuff i'm going for Dark Souls/Elden Ring/Bloodborne... from soft games... I'm a From Soft sucker so for me other fantasy games are not there because they lack From gameplay. But can we imagine for a second that hello games has in store in the future for us also a nms version that is not bound to last gen machines for the procedural generation? can we imagine how nms could be pushing lnf visuals ?
I'm a fan of NMS and you raise really good points. I remain quite skeptical, though, for two reasons: first, I doubt Hello Games' ability to provide a stable multiplayer experience, because with NMS that rarely is the case. But with NMS it's not as troublesome, becauseit was born as a single-player experience and the multiplayer side doesn't add much. With Light No Fire... it's supposed to be a multiplayer experience from the get go. It's the first thing announced in the trailer!
Second, as much as I enjoy playing NMS, I rarely return to it now because of the lack of gaming loops that are truly engaging. With the exception of some specific things such as Desolation, they rarely added these loops to the game in seven years. And when we get new ones (such as the harmonic camps), most of the tasks we have to do are quite repetitive and feel like chores.
A giant Earth in a fantasy setting offers a lot of emergent gameplay by itself. But I'm REALLY hoping Hello Games can provide a stable multiplayer platform and more "game-y" elements to Light No Fire.
I just hope they take their time finishing the game instead of a pre release 🙏
I wonder if they will have 1 giant server for all systems to play on together or 3 giant servers for PC, Xbox, and PlayStation. What's the magic system going to be like too, knowing them, it might have to do with resource gathering and applying specific resources to different things or mixing them together to make magic.
I wonder if the magic in the game is somehow going to tie into the Atlas seed they prominently display on the cover.
No doubt that the experience of NMS for hello games will make light no fire better!!!
Absolutely excited for this one.
Light no fire will hopefully be a huge leap forward and i can't wait. But if they take what they learn from light no fire and put it into no mans sky 2 that will be their best project. Imagine a galaxy full of earth sized planets all with multpile biomes and whatever else they add.
If LNF can be more combat focus (not nessesarily souls-like) but heavy combat, with building, taming, and survival, it definately is gonna be a hit.
Also Enshrouded has quite a simmilar concept, lets see which turns out more "fun'
I'm excited for this game. That being said, it would be amazing if they released a game with a few settled solar systems that each have diverse planets that are large, that would give you a wide and deep game if they gave it a good story and missions. It would be a true masterpiece that people could play for years. Kind of a middle ground between light no fire and no man's sky.
NMS has been the testing ground for the systems and tools Hello games are using to craft LnF, guaranteed. Given what we've seen from HG in the last few years proves to me they can knock this out of the park. The potential is insane.
Great video, long time no see.
I am really excited... but cautiously critical of the launch...
ill be shocked if its any good with 26 people working at that studio
I hope its gonna be a better Valheim, but it could NEVER be better than NMS in my opinion, I mean if we can really build a home base in a space station, its the most epic game ever
Dropping support for legacy hardware alone would vastly improve NMS. Just compare the base game to some if the PC mods.
Also optimizing polygons would help a lot, but GGs doesn't seem to know how to do that.
Been in No Man Sky since day 1. I just want to know if it’s like the same gameplay as NMS or is it very different. Like instead of finding lore will we have a story or is that not possible with procedural generation?
I’m totally gonna light a fire. 🔥🔥🔥
Im excited for this one
They could make one edge flat and add another planet It's fantasy 😊
Be cool if nms is referenced, or connected in someway to this new game.
I’m sure LNF could easily be an enjoyable survival/crafting game, but I’m really hoping it’ll be MMO-ish otherwise most of its massive world will be remain uninhabited
great video! can't wait for this game 🔥🔥
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I think the getting game will be testing bad for each other, because if something comes out for one, they can test it on the other game and something comes out on the other game. They can test it on the other game so I bet is two sides are the same time, and be funny if it was up, connecting the two world.
Well NMS in my opinion is better just because its so big with so many planets and it feels real and immersive even tho NMS doesn’t have all that players want in it
no mans sky biomes are water, cave, baren, grassland, and forest
"every planet the same biome" mostly false. There are a lot of similarities sure, but look at the ice planets vs desert planets vs hexagonal planets. There is A LOT of variety. the hilly shapes can feel similar at times, but you still get unique rock formations, some are more open than others, certain parts of the same planet are full of water and tiny islands while the opposite end of the planet is a giant land mass, and everything in-between.
I've been playing the hell out of No Man's Sky lately and yes, the biome variety is absolutely there.
I hope its more than NMS on rails... I could go for a NMS valheim copy but it needs more indpeth mechanics than valheim if so... more meaningful progression not a few world bosses that lead nowhere.
omg they start with the comparasions xd
100% getting this day one. Why? HG has over a decade of experience grabbing gamers input on what worked and didn’t work for NMS. Will they still have changes to be made? Sure. But I will have far more confidence that it won’t be so unpolished like the start of NMS.
I do hope this is in 2024 but we’ll see what happens.
Never cared for NMS since it never appealed to me, Space stuff just aint for me. I have heard good things about it as of recent which gives me hope for this new game they are making. I saw this trailer during the VGA and immediately went to wishlist it. Keeping expectations low because that's the safe thing to do these days but it is promising that they showed actual gameplay footage.
I prefer fantasy so I'll like it better, but it might still not be my cup of tea and that's okay. I like a bit more structure in my games. I WANT to like NMS, but I always feel like I lack a point of doing anything.
a game you can not play vs one you can
I expect it to be better than current day skyrim and possibly better than Elder Scrolls 6.
VR mode PLEASE!!!!!
Can i just say that i wish some of their designs werent so... childish looking? These dragons look chunky like its from Shrek
I am a huge bugthesda fan but Im scared of procedural world generation because Starfield was god awful, empty boring. I hope this is diff. also is there going to be chemistry? you know, do i have to remember the periodic table of elements to play this game?
The trailer on Hello Games' channel has broken 8 million views. Have gamers learned nothing from overhyping things?
I'm excited, but I'm incredibly cautious. I guess that's just my experience talking though.
Looks cool! I love NMS. I don't know what the story line will be with Light No Fire. Why that name? Can't wait to find out!
It needs to be a much better game than NMS, which is a good but not a great game. It's not pretty graphics that make a great game and NMS lacks badly in certain areas, especially story and challenge. Hello Games have not yet shown that they can do anything beyond pretty pictures. I really hope they can pull it off though.
I want towers of gold YeS I said the thing!!
My two current concerns are:
1. The flying looks boring and bland, it looks unimaginative and 1 dimensional. Really hope they make the flight really fun and entertaining with some easy-to-learn basic controls but a high skill gap.
2. the combat system makes or breaks a fantasy game for me. i really hope it isn't a button masher but again has some skill level init to make it more then just upgrade etc...
why do you keep falling into the hype mentality? it's going to launch as a broken mess. i have no doubt hello games will update and patch as time goes by. but on launch? no thanks.
The only thing I hate about LNF, and it will ruin the fun for me, is the FANTASY angle. Flying dragons, flaming swords and random magic BS that can retcon each and every event, I'm so sick of it all!
I wish it was more naturally 'realistic' with some fantasy elements perhaps. Not this magic lamp BS. AGAIN.
So magic is bs but nms lore isn't? 😂
They can’t even fix multiplayer on no man’s sky or make good points of interest. But people clap for nothing for views.
NMS was meant to be a single player exploration game where 9 out of 10 planets were dead and the other one would have life and give you a “woah” moment.. And that life was meant to be “endless” in terms of the procedural generation and possibilities of how it would look.. Obviously it didn’t turn out that way but what they’ve turned NMS into since is the complete opposite of what it was supposed to be.. Instead of turning it into what it was originally meant to be they bowed down to the modern day entitled gamer and turned it into some pathetic base building, quest having multiplayer nonsense to please the average person instead of the people they originally aimed it at.. Space geeks.
I'm keeping my hype in check. It looks nice, but LNF will not be what I'm looking for if there's little to no dangerous, challenging things to do that rewards us with loot or progression. It'll need depth via content. It'll need to be deeper than "knee deep".
I dont know enough about light no fire to say either way. Lets not make the hype train too big here. If it's an mmo or always online thing i wont even bother. We already have too many griefers in nms enough to make going online frustrating at best.. no thanks.
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I'm just buying this game to support Hello Games. Not excited for this game.
0 hype just wait for the drop wait for reviews then make a choice.
I'm a day 1 player of No Man's Sky and I've always loved it. But what happened with that game left a small trauma. I will be very catious up until the release. It looks cool but we need to take everything we see and hear with a grain of salt until we see the game in action and we can properly analyse/critisize it.
Bro... its gunna be fine... you didnt experience trauma because a VIDEO GAME wasnt what you thought it would be upon release. Let's not be over dramatic 😂 Hello Games has done nothing but listen to and appeal to the community. It's going to be awesome.
It''s just a way of saying things. Of course it wasn't a real trauma.. I was a teenager back then and my expectations were through the roof. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't let their imaginations run wild because then it will lead to major disappointment
HG can't make fun gameplay loops, nms is not a fun game, its a good looking shallow experience. Desolation was the only time they ever nailed it. I'm not touching this because it will be boring just like NMS
No it won’t, the problem with nms was quantity over quality and the combat was boring. Light no Fire is going to be quality over quantity. The combat seems to be better as well. One other important thing is that Light No Fire should be challenging, unlike nms which is very easy when it comes to basically anything.
@@DRfuse9 they still want to populate an entire planet, that's still ridiculous in terms of quantity. I very much doubt that they can have a core gameplay loop that is fun enough to make you want to see it all. Combat may be better but that alone won't make the game worthwhile. HG just doesn't know how to do proper game design. They can add all the bells and whistles that make their games LOOK fun, but in the end it isn't actually engaging to play. The last campfire was their best game in this regard, because it felt rewarding at times.
I think LNF will have a great impact on NMS and I'm excited for the more focused gameplay on LNF
I am so exited for this. I think no mans sky is amazing, but my heart belongs to the fantasy genre first and scifi second. Also love survival crafting alot so this game is gonna scratch all my itches
Though this looks to be the NMS engine on steroids (i.e. the core is the same), I'm hopeful if they can get some procedural dungeons in play in LNF, we may get to see that in NMS (dungeons in ruins, or better caverns, etc...). That's what I really miss ... the different planets are enough to give a different feel ... I don't *need* the different biomes on the same planet, but I'd like more in depth exploration while on a given planet.
Beyond that, I'm getting this when it releases. Looks like my thing just as NMS was. Just sit there and have a single fleshed out world to wander around on.
Plus the trailer shows a lot of content that has already been released in NMS so we know it is real content and how it will work. The flying is starship flight, the ocean looks like abyss, capes, the building system races etc. So it seems they will launch with a lot of the updates from NMS already. The thing that worries me is combat. Combat in NMS is very very basic and I have a feeling it will be the same here but I would love to be wrong, heck even if I'm not they'll probably fix it later, they actually listen. But I'm really glad that they not only learned the lessons but are including those updates in the base game instead of pulling a 'sims' on us.
The combat in this looks like Fable or Valheim.
Another thing is the addition of staffs to nms was clearly made for lnf and was adapted, we’re already getting lnf content even without getting the game
This will launch much smoother than NMS did. If you didn’t know this was a new game, I could see where someone could think this is a fantasy/medieval update for NMS. The engine is identical, the movements of the characters are identical, the foliage is identical.
They’ve got the know how and experience now. As long as Sean keeps his mouth shut 😂, they’ll be fine.
This game looks like it could become my forever game. But it's at a minimum, a year away and most likely more then that away from being launched. It's to far out for me to give it any hope. I have to see it to believe it. All of that pessimism aside though, the game looks freaking AWESOME!!!. It looks like I could get lost for years in that planet.
I'm 100% fully hyped and have completely opened my heart to potential disappointment. FINGERS CROSSED! lol
❤, one thing I noticed was that the flying animals are definitely not as fast as star ships so the loading in of objects in the world was much smoother as they flew out. The mountain though was like a low quality nms mountain I'm sure they will have better geographic terrain but I kinda wish Sean would have not said kilometer high mountain because it might just be a very long textured wrap of the out-of-bounds underground.😅
I'm thrilled about playing as a bunny person 😄👍🏻.
They looked hella high compared to how small the people looked. I wonder if there will be climbing gear items, I want to see how long it would take to really climb a mountain. But, you might be right too
I'll play as the wolf / fox you can remind me how big my teeth are.
@@SozioTheRogue if it is truly an earth sized planet to traverse that *should* take months or more due to obstacles. (mountains, seas, rivers etc.) Not to mention you're probably on the menu in many of these locations. A map this size would be very crazy. It will probably put the NMS planets to shame I think. I've covered vast distances on foot / jet pack in NMS -- so this earth sized world is gonna have to be much bigger than that. Maybe 100 fold or more? And earth isn't even considered that big of a planet... like Jupiter as an example... 11 times the diameter of Earth.
@@AustinAirCo Yeah, It would make for cool content. I wonder how deep the magic system could be and how you acquire magic. I'm thinking it'll be some kind of material that you craft in conjunction with a crystal to make specific magical spells or elements.
@@AustinAirCo I'm definitely going fox or cat. If I choose cat, i'll be Sir Dog. I'f I go with Fox, I will actively be untrusting of other races do to the mythical stereotype of me being a "shifty sneaky fox." Wouldn't be a true Earth without some character development of a former speciesist. Lol
The optimist in me thinks maybe NMS becomes even better eventually due to the work that goes into LNF and vice versa. It's clear that probably some of the same tech in both games is a benefit of the other. The king fisher or hummingbird likely can hover, mince that with the interceptor ships. The staffs probably a product of LNF just a difference in the mechanics of fantasy versus mechanical in NMS. If anything proved how big the Space genre is the numbers for Starfield aren't no accident. AND they've been working on NMS and LNF both simultaneously for the past 5 years, which is crazy to think about for me because I only started playing NMS in 2018. Then all those updates for NMS and likely a big one in 2024. I think we may see a 5.0 update to NMS next year maybe just before the launch of LNF. I think it's going to be like you say when LNF drops here it is, find your way. It's a survival game afterall so you're expected to learn as you go. If the singular planet of LNF teaches HG's better imagine what this might do to a void like area in NMS. These two titles may feed of one another for quite a while. Either way we'll be torn which one to play.
It has RPG elements, quests, varied enemies, survival aspects, exploration, lots of NPCs, inventory, journal (maybe), puzzles and mysteries. This sounds much better to me than NMS - and I LOVE NMS!
Where did you get all this information? It sounds like speculation, not saying it cannot be true.
You got all that from the trailer?
What a wild assumption
Another thing to mention, although you kind of touched on it, is that a lot of the assets and mechanics are already built and tested. While I'm sure this game will add a lot of new things for itself, the foundational tech needed to make a lot of it work is already in NMS, and theyve been able to iterate on it over time. Mounts and building mechanics are two good examples.
i just wish combat is not clunky as nms... please make combat fun and snappy action rpg... also mobile bases please like an airship... yey thanks
I really hope hello games has learned from their “No man’s sky mistakes” and they will hit the ground running this time with light no fire!!!
Sending love as your vibe is awesome! This one is going to be one of the main games in history
90% pure optimism and hype, 10% caution. Even though I fully trust HG and I’ve been with NMS since launch, I’m still not gonna deny to possibility the launch could go wrong
You can see the foundation of No Mans Sky in that trailer, from animations to camera movement, which means meaningless story-telling and very VERY limited NPC interactions, enemy AI and scripting.
Unless they've been hard at work on NPC AI and scripting, I already know that I'm getting, and I'm not impressed. Video games have massively stagnated, as they chase graphical fidelity over fun gameplay mechanics and evolving NPC AI and immersion.
I'll wait this one out, and only buy it on sale WAY after release, and only if the reviews are telling me the AI and world is groundbreaking.
LNF is a game I've dreamed of since Hello Games turned NMS around. I'm still a little cautious about how good the game will be but since it's by Hello Games i feel like i can trust that it will be great. My only hope is that there will be a class system, I've wanted a survival crafter RPG since ark: survival evolved came out so being able to pick a class when you start or slowly flesh one out as you progress would be a dream come true. Classes like Knights, Clerics, Thieves, Assassins, Mages, Necromancers and stuff of the like would make this game an instant 11/10 for me!
From what I'm seeing... this looks and acts like NMS's graphic engine. The camera movements, player focus, heck sub some space ships in place of dragons and birds... which come to think of it, many of those ships appear to have been based on various animals/insects... I personally will have to wait to see some real live gameplay. I don't typically do MMO games.... so I'm hoping this has SP mode, as does NMS.
The reason why I never revisited NMS was the poor physics, the very assisted ship flying, cluttered economy system, and the emphasis on multiplayer and base building, instead of focusing on maki g exploration more intimate. Most of the updates were just adding content over a game that still severely needs an overhaul on all aspects.
As a NMS day one player my prediction is this... 1 planet from atmosphere to core, fully functioning. It'll use the entire NMS universe code, it won't even be "scaled down" except visually. That'll be the catch. It'll be an entire universe on one planet.