Demo song = Wow! Fretboard mastery on display 😁 I thought both units sounded so close to each other and the real amp that it was pretty much indestinguishable in the mix. Great review as always. God bless and rock on 👍😎🎸
I believe the Ampero is slightly superior in tonal quality, have you ever done a thorough comparison of units 60 second looper capabilities, and how are the clicking noises when using the buttons? (I play sometimes late at night, and those clicks are definitely problematic!) ~ Inertia
I really admire your method, Leo. Editing together a song with cuts at the bar or stanza and IDs corresponding to the sources is an excellent way to appreciate the successes and failures of models and emulations. Listening to the result is much more relevant to actual playing musicians than isolated lines separated by many seconds. Even though the latter can potentially show much smaller differences - potentially, that is - the former is actually music. Very smart choice. Also, I’d like to point out the playback mixes are done with a very high degree of accuracy. Level changes are nowhere to be heard, edits are flawless. I don’t know anyone else who gives us such accuracy and musical integrity.
Thank you so much for such amazing compliments!!! Thank you for taking the time to live a feedback: it means a lot to me!!! I have tryed to fine tune the method video after video...and I'm really happy when you recognise the effort behind all these tests! Thank you!
Well done my friend, its good to see Ampero has upped their game. the audio interface was one of the things I thought was weak on ampero modelers but it seems that with the stage that has been fixed. I wouldn't record at 192k but its nice to no the capability is there. exellent as always.
I had this consideration about a month ago. I bought the ampero, as it is fairly new device in the market, and has almost zero disadvantages. Thank you Leo for your reviews, they helped me a lot!
Another stellar production by Leo! This is very telling. I watched as someone who shied away from buying the XL, and instead bought the Stage, preferring its screen, switch layout and dual inputs, among other things. One important point about the Stage was missed: The 2nd input of the Stage is not only XLR and for a mic, but actually a combo jack that can take a 2nd guitar (or other instrument) signal. And in the global settings (unfortunately NOT the patch/preset settings), one can - or rather should - choose for each individual input what it is, as in „electric guitar“ or „acoustic guitar“ (or mic). Listening back to back, there is a subtle difference in tone depending on which setting you choose. I wish Ampero would let us choose the type of input signal on a patch-by-patch basis, making it possible to route 2 different guitars (acoustic and electric) via a single input, using a simple AB/Y switch. That would free up the 2nd input for vocal use. Since that is not possible, I gave up my idea of using this for vocals, and instead use run my vocals through my Boss VE-500, with the added advantage of vocal harmonies (something missing in the Stage). I use input 1 on the Stage for acoustic and input 2 for electric guitar. This is fine, and I have created various presets for each instrument. I only wish the Stage had EQ blocks with 10 or more bands, which would be better for acoustic. Instead, I am using an MXR 10-band EQ ahead of the Stage (between guitar and input). Another thing to mention is the effect loop. I wish it had two, but the one loop is great for adding a Digitech The Drop pedal, for dropping my electric guitar down half a step or more, letting me cover a few songs that would otherwise be too high for my vocal range (without needing to change the signature riffs, e.g. in „More than a Feeling“ by Boston or „Superstition“ by Stevie Wonder). In the same external loop, I have also included a Dig Deep Mk 2 pedal to create a pseudo bass line on the lowest 3 strings (but not the higher ones). Using a split (Y) cable, the guitar‘s dry signal gets passed back into the Ampero, sometimes in dropped tuning, and the bass line gets fed to a 3rd channel on my Everse 8 speaker. Very important to have the effect loop! For the icing on the cake, I have mounted my Stage on a Harley Benton Spaceship 60XL pedalboard and grouped my other effects and switches around it, including a Cloudburst and a Golden Reverberator placed after the output Ampero II Stage. That gives me excellent string/reverb/ambient options that are not only better than those on the Stage, but also free up effect blocks that I might one day wish to use for a dual instrument/vocal chain (which is unfortunately limited to approx. 6 effect blocks each, for a total of 12 in the unit). I hope some of this will prove helpful to other users or potential buyers out there.
Are you able to run vocals through one XLR out and the guitar through the second XLR? Meaning you can change the level for each "path"? Thanks for the help!
@@jeanandresmusic Yes, that seems to be possible based on the manual (I haven‘t yet tried to set it up that way, myself). Here is the passage I copied from the manual, and I hope it comes across clearly enough: „OUTPUT TO lets you decide where the output signal goes: • All Outputs: Sets the signal output to unit's all output jacks • Unbal.: Sets the signal output to unit's unbalanced output jacks • Bal. & Phones: Sets the signal output to unit's both XLR jacks and phones jack • FX SND: Sets the signal output to unit's FX loop send jack • Chain B: For chain A only, which lets you connect chain A and B in series (see Effects Chain Types section on page 34 for details) • None: For chain B only, in this case, chain B's output node won't work Special rules for chain B: • If you set output node A's OUTPUT TO setting to All Outputs, then available selections of output node B's OUTPUT TO setting will be All Outputs, FX SND and None • If you set output node A's OUTPUT TO setting to either Unbal. or Bal. & Phones, then available selections of output node B's OUTPUT TO setting will be Unbal., Bal & Phones, FX SND and None • If you set output node As OUTPUT TO setting to FX SND, then available selections of output node B's OUTPUT TO setting will be All Outputs, Unbal., Bal & Phones, FX SND and None OUT LEVEL lets you adjust output level from Mute~-60dB~+20dB. Default is set to OdB. PAN lets you adjust output signal stereo panning. The range is L50-Center-R50, default is set to Center.“ You can make these settings by clicking on the output node at the end of each given chain, and assign it accordingly.
so in that sense does the headrush prime model be better useful for the needs? im thinking it can be used for all the purposes u mentioned simultaneously without needing other pedals and stuff?
Hi Leo! Let me say that I love your vids and reviews and demo songs. You show some devices features that we can't find anywhere else in the web. As a sugestion, I think that it would be a fair comparison between the AMPERO II STAGE and the HEADRUSH CORE. Best regards.
Thank you so much for such amazing compliment!!! I'm really happy to have been of some help!!! Yes, it would be an interesting comparison...but unfortunately, so far, I don't have the Headrush...and it's not cheap....maybe in the future, if I will be able to find a second hand occasion. That you!
Both units can fulfill my needs, so it's the extras that I'm looking for. I think I'm going for the Stage because of the larger screen (I have terrible eyesight), 4 more blocks, and the xlr outputs. Great demo btw 🔥!
Thank you so much for sharing your final decision and the reasons why!!! Thank you also for your feedback: I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!!!
Leo, I really enjoy and appreciate your detailed multifx pedal reviews. Which models would you recommend for under $400 if I care mostly about effects quality and number of quality effects (will use it plugged into an amp most of the time)? Would also like a drum machine
Having had both modellers I would say the Ampero is easier to use especially on a gig as it is very easy to make adjustments on the fly as you have the 3 dedicated controls under the screen, which you can easily see and play with . I just feel as you say the HX stomp series is due ,as is the Helix , for a refresh ! probably coming soon so if you fancy an HX or a Helix I would wait !
Thanks for doing this comparison, as I was looking forward to it very much. Your analysis was very accurate, in my opinion. In general, I thought both Modelers sounded a bit darker/less trebles than the real Amp. Tone-wise, the Ampero sounded a little richer/more harmonically complex than the Line 6. The UI of the Ampero, its design, and it's more modern features are very attractive. The Line 6 holds up pretty well, despite its age.
Hi, you are welcome and I'm happy that you appreciate the video!!! Thank you also for sharing your findings and your opinions! Interesting points about the less trebles ....
In the more sound section of the video, there is a specific test dedicated to this aspect, when I ramp up the volume pushing more and more the screen...that part is the let you evaluate (in my intention) the response of the modeller. Thank you!
For me, it's the support that Line6 provides. After many years, the Helix based units are still getting regular updates. Hotone/Ampero/Valeton/Sonicake has a track record of updating for the first year or so, then nothing.
This! I've had the Ampero II Stomp from release week and recently got the HX Stomp XL because Line 6 kept putting out killer updates that meant I could retire more and more individual specialty pedals. In the time since release, the Ampero II Stomp has gotten 3 minor versions (1.1, 1.2, 1.3), with the most substantial one being the recent 1.3 update. In that same timeframe, Line 6 has released 4 minor versions (3.15, 3.50, 3.60, 3.70), with each one being as least as substantial as the Ampero 1.3 update, simply because Helix has a 6 year head start and bigger R&D department. Device manufacturers need to do more than keep pace with Line 6 (which Ampero hasn't), they need to catch up if they want to truly compete.
Line 6 have been great in their software support but in 2024 it’s the hardware which is starting to show its age. The small screen, lack of wireless mobile editing, inability to stream music via Bluetooth. It’s probably a niche feature but the XLR input for vocal performance/recording is a great addition. Line6 can provide as many software updates as they want but right here, right now it’s the Ampero Stage I’d buy. Nevertheless if Line6 brought out a Helix with these features I’d snap it up with no hesitation.
Consider the starting point though.... Hx may have a few more amps and cabs and odd reverbs. But the stage already has pretty much everything you need. And it does so much more than the hx
Hello Leo, I sold my Stomp XL and at the same price I bought the stage 2. The pitch shifter is not worse than the Stomp (surprise). I find its menu silly, compared to the HX. IN Stomp mode, I cant see the name of the patch I m in. The drum sounds bad and not the easiest to operate on stage, even to setup the bpm is cumbersome but I will try with the bluetooth+android. Looper is still cumbersome for live usage - even this pedal should serve one man band scenarios. I wrote a letter to Hotone tp cossider adding a block looper, a simple 1 button looper, I don not mind if it is only 1 min rec time. But it would be much better than the recent switching-a-lot situation. It is not practical live.
As for the amp sound, clearly ampero is better. Like Leo said, only a few tweaks are needed. The HX can produce a good sound, but its basic sound is more in the midrange, so I don't think it's the right equipment for the purpose of bringing the amp closer to the real thing. Well, to sum up, even though we may not like the sound, considering that they are in a similar price range, I would pick up ampero without hesitation, as it is clearly superior in terms of visibility, ease of use, and the number of things it can do.
As always, superb work! Your work is just exemplary and unique, put together superbly with tremendous care and attention to detail. Thanks for the video, amazing playing and monster tone for days! 🎸🤘♥️🙏
I can compare to Pod Go, so tones will be similar to Stomp. Out of the box, Ampero sounds better, the built-in presets sound more natural to me. It's super easy to tune with the touchscreen. Just the dual inputs are worth a lot to me as I can run piezo and magnetic simultanously. The biggest disadvantage are pitch effects. Pod Go wasn't great but it sounded ten times better. Fortunately I have EHX Pitchfork so not a biggie to me. Overall I am super happy with it.
Its weird how the HX is way more expensive down here than the Ampero. I was listening to the video without paying much attention and didn't notice too much of a difference. great video. Waiting for my Ampero to arrive.
Maestro!!! Please we need a comparison about Boss Gx-100 Vs Ampero Stage 2!!! Thanks so much for your pasión work and dedication!!! Because we love music!😍
Leo, great video as always, with these kind of devices, it would be awesome to get an idea of the firmware updates roadmap for our devices, I haven’t take a look at their website, but I wonder if both products are already quite into an advanced stage within their product life cycle in terms of updates. This would also make a good point for comparison since some of us decided to get a Helix product due to the community behind it and also the regular updates ( only compared to Fractal ).
Ciao Leo, io credo che c'è disparità tra 2 prodotti di cui uno recentissima (ampero) e l'altro un po' datato nonostante i continui aggiornamenti. Penso proprio che sia giunto il momento per line 6 di lanciare un device nuovo con le caratteristiche che si richiedono ora: grande display touch, almeno 12 blocchi e il Bluetooth per suonare con basi, se profila è ancora meglio ma si deve limitare sul costo e sulla grandezza. Così la penso io. Buon lavoro
Tiny thought when comparing the riffs though a real amp then modeller 1 then modeller 2. The real amp to modeller 2 comparison was separated in the modeller 1 demo. It would have been useful to hear the real amp repeated, amp + m1 + amp + m2 for example. Otherwise, thank you for setting such a high bar for the comparison of equipment, this is phenomenal work.
I haven't tried it but I like the layout of the switches of the Ampero, 5 in line on the lower side. Online I rarely see anybody complaining about it, but both by bass player and I struggle with the "2 rows" stomp layout of most multieffect pedals, to hit the ones on the top row I feel like I'd need to take a ballerina course!
You forgot to talk about the capacitive buttons on the hx 😊. I'm biased because I've been an hx user for a couple of years now so it would really need to do something special to beat it for me. The smaller non touch screen strikes me as potentially being more reliable and road ready for instance, and just looking at them, the build of the hx seems more sturdy. If the ampero had gapless patch switching that would put it over the edge for me I think.
Helix also has pretty much the best polyphonic pitch shifting of any of the modellers. Even the fractal doesn't touch it. Only second to eventide I think.
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Hi, it's very hard to answer....I can get used to both, I would say... after one hour I play one of the two....I would start enjoying the effects anyway....
@@LeoGibsonGtr so, they are of similar quality, I guess then? (btw I'm thinking of buying either Ampero 2 Stomp or Helix HX Stomp. But Helix HX Stomp is nearly double the price of Ampero 2 Stomp. If Ampero 2 is not that behind in delay / reverb / overdrive / distortion than Helix, Ampero might be the choice.)
It really depends from your taste. In the video there is a section where I specifically compared the effects: I would suggest you to check it out. Thanks
I very much agree with your findings, but want to add one criteria that has not been touched, and in the end was the deciding factor for me (figuring out which unit to pair with a Tonex)... While there is a lot to like about the Stage, the sheer fact that it can't control other devices via Midi was the deal-breaker. The Stomp XL can easily control the Tonex, my Meris LVX and Mercury X on patch change, on snapshot change and by assigning PC/CC commands to foot-switches - the Ampero can't do any of that and would require me to put a separate Midi-controller on the board, more than voiding any space and money savings.
@@LeoGibsonGtr Well, the functionality does not exist in the software (yet?)... If you look in the manual or the software itself: there are no Midi commands under the Footswitch or Patch settings. As far as I could figure it out, the Midi Out port is really only sending Midi Clock and whatever is Midi Thru, the unit itself does not generate any PC/CC messages and there is no configuration for it (unless I am blind) 🙂
Of course I click on this to hear you play, which was insanely awesome !!!!! I love anything you come up with, it's great !!! Thanks !!! But I was just looking into the Ampero and the studio one specifically because I play bass and sing in a touring band. Thanks again for the video, very helpful ! 👍😁👍
Your comparison videos are all excelelnt, and this is no exception. However, I think you missed a few key differences in the two units. I used to own the Ampero II Stomp, which is pretty simialr to the Stage. On the A2S, the pitch fx are mostly unusable. They exhibit terrible artifacts, track poorly, and have too much latency. Also, the MIDI implementation is very weak compared to the Line6 MIDI implementation. This means that parameter control is very limited at best, and this can be a big drawback for live use. This got a little better with the Stage since they've implemented scenes (not yet on the A2S), but it is still not as flexible as the full MIDI capabilities in the HX Stomp. And finally, and maybe most importantly, Hotone has a very bad track record when it comes to updates. They are VERY infrequent, and often insignificant. They promised 4 updates per year, but did not deliver last year. Some examples: the A2S still doesn't have scenes over a year after they were promised to be coming soon, the bug that causes the editor to go crazy if you turn a knob on the pedal still hasn't been addressed, nor has the gap when turning certain fx on/off within the same preset. Line6 support of the HX Stomp is miles ahead of Hotone. If these things don't matter to a particular buyer, then the Stage might be attractive, although, I think even then, it is overpriced. But frankly, after the experience I had with the A2S not being updated for long periods of time (not even for critical bug fixes), I would never spend this amount of money on a Hotone product again. I bought the A2S thinking that the 12 blocks would be helpful and I would relegate the HX Stomp to be my backup. But I couldn't do that largely because of the lack of live parameter control and such poor MIDI support, and in the end I sold it. I did buy an Ampero Mini and it is now my backup for thr HX Stomp. And at that price, if they never update the firmware (I do hope they will), I can live with it.
😀...in this way....you have to watch the dedicated videos about the latency of these devices... Nevertheless...you are right...I forgot to mention the latency....
Ampero has odd layout of footswitches - right around the dispay and turnies - for you to stomp and break them effortlessly. I find your english easier to understand compared to native english speakers for me being non-native speaker (OK, more of a writer and listener), it's so cool, and your english is so fluent. What's the accent btw? I also own Ampero Stage. Everyone in the internet already said that it has solid emulation, so my 5 cents of what I like is it having bleeding edge tec, like USB-C, TRS MIDI, touchscreen, wi-fi. And of course nice white color. The video is great, as it compares the same aspects of each device side-to-side in precise "laboratory" way. Almost an scientific article. Also worth to note that I bought Ampero Stage directly from China for about 592$.
I own an HX Stomp XL...and an Opus. In between the two I have a Strymon V2 El Capistan. I like the sound a lot. I am doing only power tubes and cab sim on the OPus...and spring reverb and analog delay on the El Capistan. I figure this lightens the load on the HX Stomp and allows me to run only preamp sim on the HX. My question is..."Is this faster splitting it up like this or would it be faster to put all through the HX unit?"...."How much faster or slower?"
HI, thank you for sharing! I'm sorry but I didn't understand the question: could you please clarify what you mean with "splitting it up", or with "is it faster"?
I would choose none of these units. I only record and I am waiting to the Boss IR-2, simple to use, good sound and good price. I'll put the effects in my computer, so I can tweak more precisely in the mix. Thank you for your tests
@@bitdeviceThank you but I need sometime to keep some CPU with an external device. I can use 2 VST "inside" : S-Gear and Fuchs Overdrive Supreme 50 wich provide the kind of sounds I love. I quit Line6 for a long time, due to my pitiful experiences with their units. ;)
Hi, thank you for your suggestion! There are dedicated video about latency: here you can check out the one about the Ampero: ruclips.net/video/KCELWx9ytlU/видео.html
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Leo you've set a new standard when it comes to comparing modelers in as transparent and objective way as possible. Thank you!
You are welcome and I'm really happy that you appreciate these comparison videos!!!
Agree with this statement!
I love your comparison charts! it's a huge time saver!
Thank you so much, I'm really happy to have been of some help!!!
Demo song = Wow! Fretboard mastery on display 😁 I thought both units sounded so close to each other and the real amp that it was pretty much indestinguishable in the mix. Great review as always. God bless and rock on 👍😎🎸
Thank you so much, I'm happy that you like the song!!!!
Thank you also for sharing your findings....yes...in the mix they are both pretty similar...
I believe the Ampero is slightly superior in tonal quality, have you ever done a thorough comparison of units 60 second looper capabilities, and how are the clicking noises when using the buttons? (I play sometimes late at night, and those clicks are definitely problematic!) ~ Inertia
I really admire your method, Leo. Editing together a song with cuts at the bar or stanza and IDs corresponding to the sources is an excellent way to appreciate the successes and failures of models and emulations. Listening to the result is much more relevant to actual playing musicians than isolated lines separated by many seconds.
Even though the latter can potentially show much smaller differences - potentially, that is - the former is actually music. Very smart choice. Also, I’d like to point out the playback mixes are done with a very high degree of accuracy. Level changes are nowhere to be heard, edits are flawless. I don’t know anyone else who gives us such accuracy and musical integrity.
Thank you so much for such amazing compliments!!!
Thank you for taking the time to live a feedback: it means a lot to me!!!
I have tryed to fine tune the method video after video...and I'm really happy when you recognise the effort behind all these tests!
Thank you!
Well done my friend, its good to see Ampero has upped their game. the audio interface was one of the things I thought was weak on ampero modelers but it seems that with the stage that has been fixed. I wouldn't record at 192k but its nice to no the capability is there. exellent as always.
Thank you so much , I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!!!
Thank you also for sharing your findings!!!
Solid content as always. Hey Leo, I hope you can compare the Mooer GE1000 with the older units like the GE300 or GE250. More power to you man
Thank you so much!!! Yes, this is something I should like to do...thank you for your suggestion!
Up, tone capture comparison Please
I had this consideration about a month ago. I bought the ampero, as it is fairly new device in the market, and has almost zero disadvantages. Thank you Leo for your reviews, they helped me a lot!
You are welcome and I'm happy to have been of some help!!
Thank you for sharing your final choice!
Hows your unit so far? Is there anyglitches or issues?
Another stellar production by Leo! This is very telling. I watched as someone who shied away from buying the XL, and instead bought the Stage, preferring its screen, switch layout and dual inputs, among other things. One important point about the Stage was missed: The 2nd input of the Stage is not only XLR and for a mic, but actually a combo jack that can take a 2nd guitar (or other instrument) signal. And in the global settings (unfortunately NOT the patch/preset settings), one can - or rather should - choose for each individual input what it is, as in „electric guitar“ or „acoustic guitar“ (or mic). Listening back to back, there is a subtle difference in tone depending on which setting you choose. I wish Ampero would let us choose the type of input signal on a patch-by-patch basis, making it possible to route 2 different guitars (acoustic and electric) via a single input, using a simple AB/Y switch. That would free up the 2nd input for vocal use. Since that is not possible, I gave up my idea of using this for vocals, and instead use run my vocals through my Boss VE-500, with the added advantage of vocal harmonies (something missing in the Stage). I use input 1 on the Stage for acoustic and input 2 for electric guitar. This is fine, and I have created various presets for each instrument. I only wish the Stage had EQ blocks with 10 or more bands, which would be better for acoustic. Instead, I am using an MXR 10-band EQ ahead of the Stage (between guitar and input). Another thing to mention is the effect loop. I wish it had two, but the one loop is great for adding a Digitech The Drop pedal, for dropping my electric guitar down half a step or more, letting me cover a few songs that would otherwise be too high for my vocal range (without needing to change the signature riffs, e.g. in „More than a Feeling“ by Boston or „Superstition“ by Stevie Wonder). In the same external loop, I have also included a Dig Deep Mk 2 pedal to create a pseudo bass line on the lowest 3 strings (but not the higher ones). Using a split (Y) cable, the guitar‘s dry signal gets passed back into the Ampero, sometimes in dropped tuning, and the bass line gets fed to a 3rd channel on my Everse 8 speaker. Very important to have the effect loop! For the icing on the cake, I have mounted my Stage on a Harley Benton Spaceship 60XL pedalboard and grouped my other effects and switches around it, including a Cloudburst and a Golden Reverberator placed after the output Ampero II Stage. That gives me excellent string/reverb/ambient options that are not only better than those on the Stage, but also free up effect blocks that I might one day wish to use for a dual instrument/vocal chain (which is unfortunately limited to approx. 6 effect blocks each, for a total of 12 in the unit). I hope some of this will prove helpful to other users or potential buyers out there.
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@@gitstudy6919 I‘m sorry I cannot understand your response. What language are you writing in?
Are you able to run vocals through one XLR out and the guitar through the second XLR? Meaning you can change the level for each "path"? Thanks for the help!
@@jeanandresmusic Yes, that seems to be possible based on the manual (I haven‘t yet tried to set it up that way, myself). Here is the passage I copied from the manual, and I hope it comes across clearly enough:
„OUTPUT TO lets you decide where the output signal goes:
• All Outputs: Sets the signal output to unit's all output jacks
• Unbal.: Sets the signal output to unit's unbalanced output jacks
• Bal. & Phones: Sets the signal output to unit's both XLR jacks and phones jack
• FX SND: Sets the signal output to unit's FX loop send jack
• Chain B: For chain A only, which lets you connect chain A and B in series (see Effects Chain Types section on page 34 for details)
• None: For chain B only, in this case, chain B's output node won't work
Special rules for chain B:
• If you set output node A's OUTPUT TO setting to All Outputs, then available selections of output node B's OUTPUT TO setting will be All Outputs, FX SND and None
• If you set output node A's OUTPUT TO setting to either Unbal. or Bal. & Phones, then available selections of output node B's OUTPUT TO setting will be Unbal., Bal & Phones, FX SND and None
• If you set output node As OUTPUT TO setting to FX SND, then available selections of output node B's OUTPUT TO setting will be All Outputs, Unbal., Bal & Phones, FX SND and None
OUT LEVEL lets you adjust output level from Mute~-60dB~+20dB. Default is set to OdB.
PAN lets you adjust output signal stereo panning. The range is L50-Center-R50, default is set to Center.“
You can make these settings by clicking on the output node at the end of each given chain, and assign it accordingly.
so in that sense does the headrush prime model be better useful for the needs? im thinking it can be used for all the purposes u mentioned simultaneously without needing other pedals and stuff?
Great Video Leo! You know what i would love to see the Ampero Stage vs the QuadCortex!
Wow, the gain in the HX Stomp XL is waaaaay lower than the original Marshall or the Ampero version! That was significantly different for sure.
THank you, I'm happy that you like the video!!!! Yes, but I am a bit reluctant ... as these are very different machines....
@@LeoGibsonGtr Also, forgot to say, this Demo Song is probably one of my favorites in all of your videos! 😎
That's by a large margin the best and most useful comparisson video between modelers and amps
Thank you for such an amazing compliment!!!
Really appreciated!!!
Hi Leo! Let me say that I love your vids and reviews and demo songs. You show some devices features that we can't find anywhere else in the web. As a sugestion, I think that it would be a fair comparison between the AMPERO II STAGE and the HEADRUSH CORE. Best regards.
Thank you so much for such amazing compliment!!! I'm really happy to have been of some help!!!
Yes, it would be an interesting comparison...but unfortunately, so far, I don't have the Headrush...and it's not cheap....maybe in the future, if I will be able to find a second hand occasion.
That you!
Great video! You should try comparing the older ampero units to the stage.
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you like the video!!!
Thank you also for your suggestion!
Both units can fulfill my needs, so it's the extras that I'm looking for. I think I'm going for the Stage because of the larger screen (I have terrible eyesight), 4 more blocks, and the xlr outputs. Great demo btw 🔥!
Thank you so much for sharing your final decision and the reasons why!!!
Thank you also for your feedback: I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!!!
I got the Stage for the same reasons. Gets here at the end of the week.
@@joellebrodeur1015 Thank you for sharing!
Leo, I really enjoy and appreciate your detailed multifx pedal reviews.
Which models would you recommend for under $400 if I care mostly about effects quality and number of quality effects (will use it plugged into an amp most of the time)? Would also like a drum machine
Hi, thank you so much, I'm really happy that you like the videos!
It's hard to provide you with a black or white answer...the
Thanks for the reply.
I was also looking at the Valeton GP-200. So many choices lol
Having had both modellers I would say the Ampero is easier to use especially on a gig as it is very easy to make adjustments on the fly as you have the 3 dedicated controls under the screen, which you can easily see and play with . I just feel as you say the HX stomp series is due ,as is the Helix , for a refresh ! probably coming soon so if you fancy an HX or a Helix I would wait !
Hi, thank you for sharing your experience and your findings!
Yes, I do agree with you!
This video is incredibly helpful to me, thanks.
Thank you so much, I'm really happy to have been of some help!!!
I'm right on the fence with these two pedals. Maybe I'll get them both. Love your detailed reviews!
Thank you, I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!!!
Thanks for doing this comparison, as I was looking forward to it very much. Your analysis was very accurate, in my opinion.
In general, I thought both Modelers sounded a bit darker/less trebles than the real Amp. Tone-wise, the Ampero sounded a little richer/more harmonically complex than the Line 6. The UI of the Ampero, its design, and it's more modern features are very attractive. The Line 6 holds up pretty well, despite its age.
Hi, you are welcome and I'm happy that you appreciate the video!!!
Thank you also for sharing your findings and your opinions!
Interesting points about the less trebles ....
Great video Leo, but one important thing to mention is which unit has a better and more realistic response with the guitar?
In the more sound section of the video, there is a specific test dedicated to this aspect, when I ramp up the volume pushing more and more the screen...that part is the let you evaluate (in my intention) the response of the modeller.
Thank you!
@@LeoGibsonGtr i think I missed that part, but which one have better response for your playing?
The ground lift is also very effective. I often find the need for a DI box for my HX stomp
Good point! Thank you for sharing!
For me, it's the support that Line6 provides. After many years, the Helix based units are still getting regular updates. Hotone/Ampero/Valeton/Sonicake has a track record of updating for the first year or so, then nothing.
Original ampero still gets updates to this day.new amps,pedals,reworked ui etc
I have the Ampero Mini and i only remember one update so far?It is time for some more updates!
This! I've had the Ampero II Stomp from release week and recently got the HX Stomp XL because Line 6 kept putting out killer updates that meant I could retire more and more individual specialty pedals.
In the time since release, the Ampero II Stomp has gotten 3 minor versions (1.1, 1.2, 1.3), with the most substantial one being the recent 1.3 update. In that same timeframe, Line 6 has released 4 minor versions (3.15, 3.50, 3.60, 3.70), with each one being as least as substantial as the Ampero 1.3 update, simply because Helix has a 6 year head start and bigger R&D department.
Device manufacturers need to do more than keep pace with Line 6 (which Ampero hasn't), they need to catch up if they want to truly compete.
Line 6 have been great in their software support but in 2024 it’s the hardware which is starting to show its age. The small screen, lack of wireless mobile editing, inability to stream music via Bluetooth. It’s probably a niche feature but the XLR input for vocal performance/recording is a great addition. Line6 can provide as many software updates as they want but right here, right now it’s the Ampero Stage I’d buy. Nevertheless if Line6 brought out a Helix with these features I’d snap it up with no hesitation.
Consider the starting point though.... Hx may have a few more amps and cabs and odd reverbs. But the stage already has pretty much everything you need. And it does so much more than the hx
if you want to use looper live, u should go with the Ampero. I have heard that the pitch shifter is better in the HX but it eats up the half of ur DSP
Thank you for sharing!
Hello Leo, I sold my Stomp XL and at the same price I bought the stage 2. The pitch shifter is not worse than the Stomp (surprise). I find its menu silly, compared to the HX. IN Stomp mode, I cant see the name of the patch I m in. The drum sounds bad and not the easiest to operate on stage, even to setup the bpm is cumbersome but I will try with the bluetooth+android. Looper is still cumbersome for live usage - even this pedal should serve one man band scenarios. I wrote a letter to Hotone tp cossider adding a block looper, a simple 1 button looper, I don not mind if it is only 1 min rec time. But it would be much better than the recent switching-a-lot situation. It is not practical live.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience!!!
Ciao Leo, secondo te vale la pena passare da Ampero MP100 allo Stage 2? Sempre molto informativi i tuoi video! Grazie
Ciao Edo, anzitutto sono contento che il video ti piaccia!
Secondo me si, vale la pena...credo porti vari miglioramenti utili.
Grazie!
As for the amp sound, clearly ampero is better.
Like Leo said, only a few tweaks are needed.
The HX can produce a good sound, but its basic sound is more in the midrange, so I don't think it's the right equipment for the purpose of bringing the amp closer to the real thing.
Well, to sum up, even though we may not like the sound, considering that they are in a similar price range,
I would pick up ampero without hesitation, as it is clearly superior in terms of visibility, ease of use, and the number of things it can do.
Hi, thank you for sharing your findings and your conclusions!
The real Marshall sound so good in this one. Much better than units. Is it the EQ diference only?
As always, superb work! Your work is just exemplary and unique, put together superbly with tremendous care and attention to detail.
Thanks for the video, amazing playing and monster tone for days! 🎸🤘♥️🙏
Thank you so much for such amazing compliments!!!
Thank you for taking the time for your feedback: it means a lot to me!!!
@@LeoGibsonGtr - Always, my pleasure. 🙏
I can compare to Pod Go, so tones will be similar to Stomp. Out of the box, Ampero sounds better, the built-in presets sound more natural to me. It's super easy to tune with the touchscreen. Just the dual inputs are worth a lot to me as I can run piezo and magnetic simultanously. The biggest disadvantage are pitch effects. Pod Go wasn't great but it sounded ten times better. Fortunately I have EHX Pitchfork so not a biggie to me. Overall I am super happy with it.
Hi, thank you so much for sharing your experience and your findings!!!!
well - ones 10 years old. the HX series is and was incredible to last this long and still hold its own, mainly thanks to a lot of updates for free.
Yes, the FW upgrades are and have been very good from Line 6,
Thanks!
Its weird how the HX is way more expensive down here than the Ampero. I was listening to the video without paying much attention and didn't notice too much of a difference. great video. Waiting for my Ampero to arrive.
Maestro!!! Please we need a comparison about Boss Gx-100 Vs Ampero Stage 2!!!
Thanks so much for your pasión work and dedication!!!
Because we love music!😍
Thank you so much for your suggestions and your appreciation of the channel!
Yes I second for this. Thanks for the review
Leo, great video as always, with these kind of devices, it would be awesome to get an idea of the firmware updates roadmap for our devices, I haven’t take a look at their website, but I wonder if both products are already quite into an advanced stage within their product life cycle in terms of updates.
This would also make a good point for comparison since some of us decided to get a Helix product due to the community behind it and also the regular updates ( only compared to Fractal ).
Hi, thank you for your suggestion!
Hail to the king of gear reviews! Passa una bella estate 🤘
Thank you! Pasta Una Bella serata anche tu!!!
Any idea about the dsp power in each one? How does both handle stacking heavy pedals?
Ciao Leo, io credo che c'è disparità tra 2 prodotti di cui uno recentissima (ampero) e l'altro un po' datato nonostante i continui aggiornamenti. Penso proprio che sia giunto il momento per line 6 di lanciare un device nuovo con le caratteristiche che si richiedono ora: grande display touch, almeno 12 blocchi e il Bluetooth per suonare con basi, se profila è ancora meglio ma si deve limitare sul costo e sulla grandezza. Così la penso io. Buon lavoro
Grazie per aver condiviso il tuo pensiero....
onestamente condivido molto quello che scrivi...
Tiny thought when comparing the riffs though a real amp then modeller 1 then modeller 2. The real amp to modeller 2 comparison was separated in the modeller 1 demo. It would have been useful to hear the real amp repeated, amp + m1 + amp + m2 for example. Otherwise, thank you for setting such a high bar for the comparison of equipment, this is phenomenal work.
Ok, thank you for your suggestion and I'm happy that you appreciate the channel!!!
Hi Leo, the solo was on fire🔥!👍🏻
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you like it!!!
I had both, Ampro amps are more realistic for my taste. I sold them, also my FM9 because of UAFX Lion 68
Hi, thank you for sharing your experience!
How do you have the 68 setup ? What's your signal chain? Im in deep research mode for my new setup. I would love to hear how you are using it.
I haven't tried it but I like the layout of the switches of the Ampero, 5 in line on the lower side. Online I rarely see anybody complaining about it, but both by bass player and I struggle with the "2 rows" stomp layout of most multieffect pedals, to hit the ones on the top row I feel like I'd need to take a ballerina course!
Hi, thank you for sharing your findings.
Ampero Stage VS Boss GX-100??? Che ne pensi Leo?
Giusto!!! Sarebbe una comparativa interessante...ci devo pensare...grazie del suggerimento!!!
Certo...hanno prezzi diversi...I / O diverso, etc....
You forgot to talk about the capacitive buttons on the hx 😊. I'm biased because I've been an hx user for a couple of years now so it would really need to do something special to beat it for me. The smaller non touch screen strikes me as potentially being more reliable and road ready for instance, and just looking at them, the build of the hx seems more sturdy. If the ampero had gapless patch switching that would put it over the edge for me I think.
Helix also has pretty much the best polyphonic pitch shifting of any of the modellers. Even the fractal doesn't touch it. Only second to eventide I think.
Hi, thank you for sharing!
In terms of switching the Ampero has the scenes management, which is similar to the snapshot of the Helix.
Thanks!
Can we get a copy of those irs off you? They sound great!
Hi Jason, here you can check out the IRs: www.leogibsonguitar.com/shop-online/p/leo-essential-irs
There is just a small fee to help the channel.
Thank you!!
which unit would you consider better for the effects? especially overdrive/distortion and delay/reverb.
Hi, it's very hard to answer....I can get used to both, I would say... after one hour I play one of the two....I would start enjoying the effects anyway....
@@LeoGibsonGtr so, they are of similar quality, I guess then? (btw I'm thinking of buying either Ampero 2 Stomp or Helix HX Stomp. But Helix HX Stomp is nearly double the price of Ampero 2 Stomp. If Ampero 2 is not that behind in delay / reverb / overdrive / distortion than Helix, Ampero might be the choice.)
It really depends from your taste. In the video there is a section where I specifically compared the effects: I would suggest you to check it out.
Thanks
@@LeoGibsonGtr I have watched that part but since it is a recorded sound, I want to see which one do you prefer being the one who did the comparison.
Do you have any compared with the GX100 ? Which one would you prefer ?
HI, it would be a good comparison...I should make a video about it...
Thanks!
Please for future videos list if a usb interface is CLASS COMPLIANT. This is 100% necessary for iPad/iPhone. Thanks! 😊
Hi, thank you for your suggestion!
It is not always easy to find this info in the user manual of the products.
I very much agree with your findings, but want to add one criteria that has not been touched, and in the end was the deciding factor for me (figuring out which unit to pair with a Tonex)... While there is a lot to like about the Stage, the sheer fact that it can't control other devices via Midi was the deal-breaker. The Stomp XL can easily control the Tonex, my Meris LVX and Mercury X on patch change, on snapshot change and by assigning PC/CC commands to foot-switches - the Ampero can't do any of that and would require me to put a separate Midi-controller on the board, more than voiding any space and money savings.
Hi, thank you for sharing!
This is an interesting point. May I ask you why with the Ampero you can not control external devices?
Thank you!
@@LeoGibsonGtr Well, the functionality does not exist in the software (yet?)... If you look in the manual or the software itself: there are no Midi commands under the Footswitch or Patch settings. As far as I could figure it out, the Midi Out port is really only sending Midi Clock and whatever is Midi Thru, the unit itself does not generate any PC/CC messages and there is no configuration for it (unless I am blind) 🙂
Does the Ampero have effects... Etc, for Bass guitar ?
Can you load them if not ?
I think the Helix does, right ?
Of course I click on this to hear you play, which was insanely awesome !!!!!
I love anything you come up with, it's great !!!
Thanks !!!
But I was just looking into the Ampero and the studio one specifically because I play bass and sing in a touring band.
Thanks again for the video, very helpful !
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Thank you so much , I'm really happy that you appreciate the channel! Yes, I think that both the units can be used with a bass.
Very nice video! Please make a comparison of GE1000 and Stage II , it would be great 😊😊
You are welcome and thank you for your suggestion!
i owned both and both great.
Thank you for sharing!
fantastic video!
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you like the video!!!!
Your comparison videos are all excelelnt, and this is no exception. However, I think you missed a few key differences in the two units. I used to own the Ampero II Stomp, which is pretty simialr to the Stage. On the A2S, the pitch fx are mostly unusable. They exhibit terrible artifacts, track poorly, and have too much latency. Also, the MIDI implementation is very weak compared to the Line6 MIDI implementation. This means that parameter control is very limited at best, and this can be a big drawback for live use. This got a little better with the Stage since they've implemented scenes (not yet on the A2S), but it is still not as flexible as the full MIDI capabilities in the HX Stomp. And finally, and maybe most importantly, Hotone has a very bad track record when it comes to updates. They are VERY infrequent, and often insignificant. They promised 4 updates per year, but did not deliver last year. Some examples: the A2S still doesn't have scenes over a year after they were promised to be coming soon, the bug that causes the editor to go crazy if you turn a knob on the pedal still hasn't been addressed, nor has the gap when turning certain fx on/off within the same preset. Line6 support of the HX Stomp is miles ahead of Hotone. If these things don't matter to a particular buyer, then the Stage might be attractive, although, I think even then, it is overpriced. But frankly, after the experience I had with the A2S not being updated for long periods of time (not even for critical bug fixes), I would never spend this amount of money on a Hotone product again. I bought the A2S thinking that the 12 blocks would be helpful and I would relegate the HX Stomp to be my backup. But I couldn't do that largely because of the lack of live parameter control and such poor MIDI support, and in the end I sold it. I did buy an Ampero Mini and it is now my backup for thr HX Stomp. And at that price, if they never update the firmware (I do hope they will), I can live with it.
Hi, thank you for sharing your findings. One little note, with A2S I don't understand if you mean Ampero II Stage or Stomp.
Thanks!
@@LeoGibsonGtr Sorry, I should have been more clear. Wherever I wrote A2S, I meant the Ampero II Stomp.
ok, thanks!
A Leo Gibson comparison without mentioning latency?
😀...in this way....you have to watch the dedicated videos about the latency of these devices...
Nevertheless...you are right...I forgot to mention the latency....
@@LeoGibsonGtr No worries.I'd be interested in the Ampero's latency when it's fx loop is engaged (4CM).
Latency?
Ampero has odd layout of footswitches - right around the dispay and turnies - for you to stomp and break them effortlessly.
I find your english easier to understand compared to native english speakers for me being non-native speaker (OK, more of a writer and listener), it's so cool, and your english is so fluent. What's the accent btw?
I also own Ampero Stage. Everyone in the internet already said that it has solid emulation, so my 5 cents of what I like is it having bleeding edge tec, like USB-C, TRS MIDI, touchscreen, wi-fi. And of course nice white color.
The video is great, as it compares the same aspects of each device side-to-side in precise "laboratory" way. Almost an scientific article.
Also worth to note that I bought Ampero Stage directly from China for about 592$.
Most important = Amp switching & integration with tube head using 4 cable method....
Thank you for sharing
Thanks!
You are welcome and thank you soooooo much!!!
It means a lot to me!!!!
I own an HX Stomp XL...and an Opus. In between the two I have a Strymon V2 El Capistan. I like the sound a lot. I am doing only power tubes and cab sim on the OPus...and spring reverb and analog delay on the El Capistan. I figure this lightens the load on the HX Stomp and allows me to run only preamp sim on the HX. My question is..."Is this faster splitting it up like this or would it be faster to put all through the HX unit?"...."How much faster or slower?"
HI, thank you for sharing! I'm sorry but I didn't understand the question: could you please clarify what you mean with "splitting it up", or with "is it faster"?
Please video Joyo Gem Box 3 . Thank you . Mirek B. Czech Republic .🖐
You are welcome!
Thank you for your suggestion...unfortunately I don't have the Joyo...if they send me a unit, I will be happy to test it.
Thanks@@LeoGibsonGtr
You are welcome!
The biggest advantage with Helix is in my opinion Helix Native VST. Makes recording so effortless compared to what competitors offers.
Hi, thank you for sharing...good point....
I would choose none of these units. I only record and I am waiting to the Boss IR-2, simple to use, good sound and good price. I'll put the effects in my computer, so I can tweak more precisely in the mix. Thank you for your tests
I can recommend Helix Native if you are recording. A Helix in VST format with no DSP limits, there is no competition to this in my opinion.
@@bitdeviceThank you but I need sometime to keep some CPU with an external device. I can use 2 VST "inside" : S-Gear and Fuchs Overdrive Supreme 50 wich provide the kind of sounds I love. I quit Line6 for a long time, due to my pitiful experiences with their units. ;)
Thank you for sharing your findings and your opinion!
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Thank you!!!!
Stage🤘
Thank you for sharing!
Surprised you didnt show the latency
Hi, thank you for your suggestion!
There are dedicated video about latency: here you can check out the one about the Ampero: ruclips.net/video/KCELWx9ytlU/видео.html
That guy on the Right is good, but the guy on the Left is just phoning it in. ;)
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These days this v,deo shows that you can buy anything and it goes... I love my Headrush Prime, though.
HI, thank you for sharing!
please add audio spectrum analysis to your comparison s.
Thank you for your suggestion...pretty hard to do....any suggestion for the software to be used?
looks like hx stomp wins in terms of modulation..
Thank you for sharing your findings!
Ma parli polentinglish? ( si scherza! )
Venician English... :)
@@LeoGibsonGtr eh...si sente!
Grazie del feedback!
Line 6 ridiculamente feia😅
Thank you for sharing!
Helix still sounds closer to the real amp.....Ampero sounds more digital and harsh....to my ears
Hi, thank you for sharing!
we Chinese hotone can compete line6? wow🎉
Passion about music knows no borders.
Take note that even the hx stomp were made in China ☝🏼
Thanks!
Wow, thank you soooo much!!! It means a lot to me!!!