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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- The story of Tattoo Gate has gone absolutely wild online the past few days. I'm here to recap Tattoo Gate for you all and get to the bottom of what actually is going on with Tattoo Gate. Many tattoo artists and tattoo lovers are coming together to speak on tattoo gate and it's nice to see the community come together around this issue. Enjoy this tattoo gate explanation!
0:00 Introduction
1:03 Tattoo Gate
3:44 Design Fees
5:50 Conflict
7:32 Booking Fee
9:17 Tattoo Artist Responses
12:20 TattooSmart Issue
13:31 Second Client Comes Forward
19:54 Google Reviews
23:08 Sunken Cost Fallacy
23:56 Tattoo Gate
25:00 Final Thoughts
See you next week! 💛
#TattooGate #tiktok
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The artist is Lindsay Joseph and her private studio is called Lucid Tattoos (Canada). It's important that people know exactly who is being spoken about so that they can avoid this.
Yes, thank you
And her handle is @luc1dl1ndz
god thank you. it genuinely irks me that anyone would give this woman the right to privacy. she blasted a whole persons DRIVERS LICENSE on the internet, she lost that right to privacy the moment she did that imo.
Lucid tattoos is located in Canada. There’s one in the U.S. that isn’t associated with her. & they’re getting hate. Lindsey is in Canada.
@@patty_rishYes, in Cambridge, Ontario.
Typically when "scandals" like this happen I do support not mentioning the person's name, but since this artist blasted that one client's **drivers license** on social media with sensitive information the artist lost her right to having her name be redacted.
I feel like scammers should always be exposed and named, more people could fall victim to this bs and they deserve to have their reputation tarnished
@@mylettucehead me too
I'd like to know who that artist is. Simply so I know who not to go to or recommend. If anyone knows please share with me.
@@1999druluv Lindsay Joseph from Lucid Tattoos
I would 100% want to know who the tattoo person is, I dont promote spreading hate, so in no way would I go out of my way to find them and scold them. I would just like to know who there are so I can avoid them and point people in a different direction if I hear them mention their name. People deserve to get the service they are promised and not slapped in the face with unnecessary fees along the way
A tattoo artist in Cali is flying the first woman out to get her full fox tattoo (for free). Which is hopefully a nice ending to her story ❤️🦊 [also she was so nice about it and felt bad about getting it for free, and said she's going to donate money to a fox sanctuary. She's too wholesome]
I'm so glad to hear that!🥹 She really seems genuinely nice
So glad she got her lovely fox tat 🖤
Omg I'm so glad to hear that❤🥺 she deserves it
awwww thats absolutely amazing. thank you for sharing 🤍
the fact she got her tattoo and helped foxes 🥺😭🦊
The worst part is people reverse image searched the fox sketch and found "her" as a design that's being sold on Etsy and the artist just traced it
shes also stealing tattoo designs, i'm not even surprised.
I disagree with how everyone decides not to put this person on blast. I doubt a person like this would stop their behavior without any consequences.
I don't know if blast is the right word, but if there is good evidence that the facts of the case are as stated in the video, I think it's reasonable to name the artist. And given that the artist seems confident that she has acted in a reasonable and fair manner, presumably she shouldn't have an issue with being named given that people generally prefer to go to a tattoo artist who acts reasonably and fairly in their business.
her name is lindsay joseph
@@Sara-ri7qi thank you
exactly! the original creator said that they didnt want to put out the persons name bc the tattoo artists apparently mentioned calling the police to her. Thats just another way of trying to manipulate the situation and make the client afraid to speak up
This so much!! I also want to know, as a potential client, if this tattoo artist whose artwork I’m interested in is going to scam me like this. I don’t have a lot of money to begin with and I would appreciate if others posted some kind of public warning in case they’re shady.
Am I the only one wondering if she purposely does the wrong sketch the first time to scam her client to make another design
Not to mention it's been proven that her fox sketch was literally TRACED off of a design from Etsy
This is what I thought too! Even if a client picks the highest tier of the “design collab” who’s to say the tattoo artist doesn’t just purposefully mess up each sketch?
100% this whole thing is a scam
Oh my God, I never considered that, it’s entirely possible.
Oh my god. I work as an illustrator and charge by the hour and my first sketch is always a close to perfect as I can get it to cut down on how much time I spend editing/finishing it (ie the money making part) if I got the sketches wrong my clients would have to pay me a lot more for all the time I spend fixing the work... I bet she totally did this, especially with how ready she was to charge the difference for the higher tier...
She gives the term “scam artist” a whole other level of meaning here.
Something I wanted to talk about: the tattoo market place has changed, and it’s in a terrible bubble that is close to popping. My husband was a tattooer for 15 years (licensed, in a shop, not a scratcher) and he decided to make a career change a year ago. Best decision he ever made. Beware tattooers that are overly heavy on social media, and I don’t care if I get hate for this. Beware tattooers that bad mouth their clients on social media ESPECIALLY TikTok. Beware a tattooer with a consultation fee (that’s not real). The cost of the drawing should ALWAYS be a part of the final price of the design. I’ve seen my husband work all night on a drawing and the client didn’t like it, and he fixed it no charge. It’s just how it works. If this is upsetting for a tattooer, then don’t tattoo. I’ve noticed tattooers becoming straight up @ssholes because of social media.
Yuppp--crazy how many tattoo artists get to 50k followers by turning tattooing into a lifestyle blog for the rich and famous. You have people that have been in the industry for 30 years cranking out large and wildly technical tattoos for $650, and then people that have only been tattooing for 2 years charging $1500 for a palm sized design that's gonna look like shit after just 1 year.
From what i see social media kinda turned a lot of places in an overpriced mess.
I remember a story of someone selling home made pickles for 30 a jar that were improperly sealed thus could give someone food poisoning.
Seriously don't buy food items online from a store you haven't purchased from in person in the past.
Ive been tattooing proffesionally for 14 years straight and i agree with everything you just said i do it the same way. She is a scammer. Theres a similar complaint on her google reviews.
Agreed. I’ve been getting tattoos since I was 14, I have my face done, full sleeves, etc, I’ve never been charged for a drawing and I’ve never been charged more than $100 for a deposit. I have a ton of friends who are artists and they’ve never charged money like this for consultation, etc.
I honestly feel like some of this goes back into this sort of pretentious “too cool for you” culture that’s always been part of tattooing to some extent, but that’s been made way worse by social media inflating peoples’ egos. I’ve heard about outrageous stuff like this happening mostly to younger folks trying to get their first tattoo or people who artists may not realize have gotten them before that because they are not visible when you walk in the shop. Essentially, if you look like you might be new to tattoo culture, some people are assholes and will try to take advantage.
It’s definitely a bubble that’s going to pop-I guess some of these scam artists better make their money while they can, because once it goes they probably will never get work again because of the way they treated people and the reputation they made for themselves.
I’m a tattooer of 8 years and I agree with you.
honestly that artist deserves to have their entire scam exposed, good on u for putting this out to more people i hope that woman never is able to do a tattoo again.
According to the internet the artist’s name is Lindsay Joseph of Lucid Tattoos
@@RoIIingStoned expose her!
She has thousands of followers on Insta, but a private Profile?! Yeah, kinda seems like she's already receiving some well deserved heat.
her name is lindsay joseph and her tattoo shop is lucid tattoo in cambridge ontario canada. she apparently reported hundreds of google reviews so that her google site only shows positive reviews, hence why she's at a 4.7 currently
@@user-rk8py4yv4n I live in the area and was literally looking at their website a few days ago before seeing this video. I'm not on tiktok or any social media, so this has just saved me a lot of time and money, it confirmed for me what my gut was telling me when looking at her website.
This woman spends more time writing novels in response to customers complaints than she would fixing her designs. I'm surprised she doesn't charge $4000 for writing those long ass emails. 😂😂😂
True. You do see some people who you think if they'd only put as much effort into running an honest business as they do into "Get rich quick schemes" and arguing with customers they've fleeced, they'd be pretty successful.
@@Smithpolly yeah exactly.... makes no sense. Plus, she'd be less stressed and not have to deal with problems if she simply took the time she spent responding to emails and bad reviews, and put it toward drawing tattoo designs properly and revising them to meet clients needs... and then she'd have happy clients as well, good reviews, more business... but it sounds like she's more interested in being an overpriced tattoo consultant than a tattoo artist lol.
call it a "soliloquy fee"
She went dark lmao. Instead of saying sorry she’s hiding. Because she isn’t sorry and is waiting for it to blow over like it never happened 🙄
Lol she should become a writer at this point.
I’m heavily tattooed and have NEVER seen these policies and charges required by any artist I’ve gone to. It’s absurd and I feel horrible for her victims.
Out of 6 soon to be 7 tattoos, I haven't either. The only one I've even had to put money down on is the half sleeve I'm getting in September. I put down $100 I guess to reserve my spot? And my artist said that that money goes toward the final cost.
the fact that she left to pick up her kids, but has this in the FAQ:
"Can I bring my child? I promise they will behave!
Under no circumstances can we accept children of any age into the tattoo space. *_We recommend you prearrange childcare services to avoid interruption of your scheduled appointments."_*
This woman is insane. Unless she changes her ways, I honestly hope her business is ruined and she never tattoos again.
Girl this. This comment. Literally her fucking tattoo qualifications should’ve been taken away.
Her and every Abbot alumni, he’s been teaching this horrendous and predatory business model that’s ruining the tattoo industry 💔
her name is lindsay joseph and her tattoo shop is lucid tattoo in cambridge ontario canada.
Rather tan insane, I find her dumb. Let's believe what she says about the extra $17000 the month after she changed her bussiness model. It means that rather than doing a better job, she´s over exploiting her source of income, wich can't be sutainable in the long run. Sooner or later more people would find out and less and less clients would seek her for work. So I hope that extra cash lasts her a long time, at least until she rethinks it throughly.
I'm pretty sure that will be the case. Arrogant artists always dig their own grave
I guess that's not fair to artists, a true artist doesn't work for money. She's a hack, her sketches suck and I'm sure her tattoos aren't that much better
She's 100% counting on the sunken cost fallacy IMO. If her consult wasn't $180 way less people would even entertain paying $1600 for a sketch and she knows it 🦊🦊🦊
and if people do disagree with her pricing and cancel the tattoo, oh well, she already got $180
plus, doing it all through a zoom call puts pressure on the person to respond immediately. in my experience, every tattoo i've booked has been entirely through email or instagram, so i could easily back out if i needed to without it being confrontational.
@@GlockenWhale also there’s no paper trail over a zoom call unless you record it. If it’s over email you have proof of what was said, which she clearly doesn’t want.
This is immediately what I thought! She advertises a more reasonable price to trap people into feeling like they have to continue with the process to avoid wasting the $180.
Absolutely
I feel so bad for the blonde woman who told her story. Can you imagine having permanent artwork on your body as a reminder of this experience
She would’ve lost me at “consultation fee” but I had a similar situation happen years ago at a hair salon.
After college, when I had my first decently paying full-time job, I wanted to dye my hair in an actual salon instead of in my bathroom with manic panic. I went to a few salons until I found one I liked. The stylist gave me an estimate based on her day rate and the products she would need. I was taking my long, naturally black hair as light as possible, so there were multiple processes involved, and I was prepared to pay her proposed rate and then some, as well as a tip.
When the day came around, the stylist didn’t mention anything about a price increase until I was at the register before leaving. She asked for more than 4x the quote we had agreed upon. I remember the feeling of my entire heart sinking into my stomach - it was more than my rent and all my living expenses combined. I had never gone to a decent salon to get my hair done, so I panicked and paid what she asked for, but I was crying because I didn’t know how I was going to pay my rent or even buy groceries for the next month.
I imagine these clients experienced something similar. At the time I had no one in my life to explain how much things were supposed to cost or what to do if someone who has provided a service is demanding more than you agreed to pay. I find that as women, we’re socialized to avoid confrontation so we’re less likely to refute this type of behavior. Auto mechanics take advantage of women all the time for this reason.
I wish we learned more about personal finances and business basics in school. Imagine if the thousands of dollars this ‘artist’ scammed out of people went to genuine, passionate tattoo artists who want to provide a great experience and beautiful art for their clients?
The consultation fee is not abnormal, 180$ is quite reasonable for a consultation, I mean a real one where you work with the artist, not a 10min zoom call to get the price structure
You were foolish for paying more than the agreed upon price
@@RtistiqSkubie I agree, but I was 18. Had to learn that lesson the hard way
No this tattoo artist needs to be blasted because this is pretty much a scam she is running.
She’d probably sue for defamation
Lindsay Joseph from Lucid Tattoos in Ontario, Canada. :)
@@J_Bb It's only defamation if it isn't true
@@J_Bb She gonna have to sue her own damn self then lol
Her account is private
the fact that a tattooer like this has such a large clientele while some of the most talented and kind artists are being overlooked and underpaid is criminal
she has fully taken advantage of the naivety of her clientele, it’s honestly predatory.
Hear fukn hear
at some point tho, we have to look at the clients. yes, the artist is completely at fault here, but as a client i research and research what should happen when i make an appoitment for a tattoo. or at least have others done before for the experience.
@@imdva there needs to be a level of professionalism from the artist, the customer shouldnt be expected to know how to do their job as well, thats the artists job. The problem is the tattoo industry is unregulated and all artists operate differently which makes it really easy to trick people.
@@cherrybomber69again i said it was completely the artists fault. learn to read. but at some point it also becomes on the customer to know not to overpay on a tattoo
@@imdva that was a rude reply lol. it isn't the client's fault at all big dog. that cunt of an artist PREYS on people that don't know better, THATS why they have a large audience. just because YOU "research and research" doesn't mean people who just want to have their dream tattoo done by their favourite artist and are willing to do anything for it will lol
No matter how much I love an artist, I could never imagine spending almost $3,000 before even having the tattoo done.
And I could never imagine asking too be paid over $2,000 MORE because I misunderstood something. Wtf
I paid $1,100 for my half sleeve, to pay double that for a single sketch is absolutely insane. I really hope she puts this tattoo artist's name out there because they deserve to lose their job as tattoo artist. No artist should be charging this much for a consultation or handle a situation the way they did
She needs to be sued and banned from tattooing. I hope they all take her to court.
She can’t be sued when nothing is in writing. There is no way to prove that she went back on her word. It’s really scummy of her.
@0bscur3witch it is more difficult to prove, but these are oral contracts. The plaintiffs can show the website FAQ for 50% deposit, how much they have paid to this person (ie the wire transfers) they do have solid grounds for bringing it to a small claims court for being overcharged. Even if the plaintiff lost if they, the artist would have to show up to court for every single one of these cases, which means a few less people being scammed for those days. For the person who showed that she had sent the different reference photos she can pretty clearly show that what she was asking for did not match what the artist created, which means the artist did not fulfill the contract and they were not entitled to compensation.
Though note: if these people reside in different countries or if they're in the US the states is does make it far more difficult to pursue legal recourse.
It does say on her website that the charge is hourly
@@0bscur3rose there is tons of emails
@@0bscur3rose She can if enough clients come forward with complaints. It's harder to prove but between them *somebody* must have recorded the zoom calls.
That person who was doxxed and threatened with police needs to seek an attorney. Both of those are illegal and its very likely she could get her money back in court
My thoughts exactly. While the cop (boyfriend?) said it wasn't illegal, sure sounds like a bait and switch. Even then, a civil court and attorney could show a pattern of behavior and grant a penalty.
exactl! what?? multiple people not only doxed her bit did slander/libel+ though i cannot be certain unless those "quotes" were itemized and documented I'm pretty sure she can't just "choose whatever prices she wants" i'm pretty sure in a business you need to document the hell out of everything.
if she did document the hell out of everything then it would incriminate her in court, so i don't think she did meaning she'd have no case.
It's not illegal, it is a rip-off but, well. Still not illegal, I do believe people have the right to avoid artists by having basic info (eg name, art alias, studio they work at), but doxxed? C'mon now.
@@Tree-House69 uuhhmmm the client was doxxed. not saying we should do the same like an eye for an eye thing. but the artist name and place of business should get a bad review thats pubicly available
@T H doxxing is illegal and the definition of doxxing is to "publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent" and that is exactly what that artist did by spreading her driver's license around. That has her home address on it! That is extremely private information that was made public as a threat
There's a reason the tattoo artist told her the 3 options on a Zoom call. She wants to be "face to face" with people because they're more likely not to tell her no. Especially with people like the OP, and me, who can't tell people no. (I'm autistic so it's nearly impossible for me to say no) There are plenty of people (like my bf lol) who will laugh in her face and tell her to go eff herself, but there are also plenty of rule and law abiding people who feel like it's their responsibility to pay her, and she's scamming every single one of those people.
These stories are a perfect reason why you get a written contract signed by both parties for everything being discussed and if it’s through zoom, record the session.
speaking as a tattoo artist, it’s honest such a privilege to do what we do. and i think it’s fair to say that some people, like this artist, don’t deserve the luxury of being able to create art for a living.
I'm more in favor of siding with the artist. Nobody is doing work for free. This is the business of art and not the creative process of art. Even if you don't like it you gotta pay for the work that is done.
@TRACPHONE VIRTUAL MAGAZINE
No one is saying that you shouldn't be compensated as an artist, but that this artist is being dishonest and scamming people.
Nobody is doing work for free but im sure 90% of the population doesn’t wanna pay 6 grand for a SKETCH.
@@tracphonevirtualmagazine
Um - this person could go to a master tattoo artist and it wouldn’t cost anywhere near that 😮
These artists know their worth too - I have the best work on me and it’s worth every cent -
But I’ve never once paid a consultation fee or draw up fee 😮
Cause I’m paying thousands for the tattoo anyway!
That’s part of the cost
@@barbarella.artist The customer could have gone to other artists but wanted that specific artist. More transparency is definitely needed here but a question of that artists skill isn't the problem. The customer didn't like the end product but that's who she wanted to make it.
The most expensive artist I’ve gone to so far had a half day rate of $900 or a full day rate of $1,200. I booked him for two half days. The first session we finished a little early so he only charged me $700 and the second session finished a little early too so he charged me $800, and I really appreciated him for doing that, cus he could have decided to just be greedy and charge me the $900 both times for each of those sessions that finished early. I don’t get why some tattooers can’t just be….decent human beings, especially to their own damn clients.
To be honest, taking the 900 wouldn't really be greedy, I doubt he's squeezing anything in after you for that half day. What a lovely guy.
@@samdeval I agree, which is why I think it’s so ridiculous that this tattooer charged her client a full day rate for just two and a half hours of tattooing. It’s so greedy.
@@Maudtattoos
Sometimes it can depend on size and colour and not just time (every shop is a bit different) but yeah this is at least a 600-800 tattoo (mostly because of all the colour work to be done)
Every one of the artists who shared her ID with 0 receipts should be sued for slander. How do you do that with no ground to stand on?! Literally every one of them are part of that problem.
My one artist is fairly new to tattooing, but I absolutely love his work and he does great stuff. He charged me $400 for a half sleeve. I tipped him $250 and told him to charge more. I cannot BELIEVE the audacity of this artist.
Only ever had one tattoo artist charge a drawing fee. It was $20. When I basically asked her to redraw the entire thing, I offered to pay another drawing fee and she said it its not necessary. I could never imagine going through this bs
My local shop has a $45 but only for cover ups as it takes a lot of magic and sketchy to figure out
@@ayajade6683 that's understandable! I didn't mention that the $20 fee was for a very elaborate back piece, it covers 2/3 of my back and is filled with lines and detail. It wasn't a small ask either.
Honestly if you're polite to the artist and upfront with your payment most of us will be super willing to change what you want. Granted I work in a very different line of work but when people are polite and don't complain about prices I'm happy to change whole designs for them lol. Idk how this woman was so rude and unwilling to work with her client... Totally a scammer
I think if an artist is in high demand a 100 or even 200 dollar sketch fee is not unreasonable...If if they are giving you a more solid idea of the final product it is basically like producing a work of art for you even if it is not even finalized. But that is me being pretty generous.
if i understood correctly she not only had a design fee but also a consultation fee??? i have a tattoo appt soon and it was a $50 deposit thatll go towards the tattoo price. the price the artist gave the woman is absurd
Terrible artists and terrible practices should always be exposed to the public, because the only thing we get from hiding their identity, is more victims.
I agree. Though I think we have to be careful that the stories are definitely true and that the artist has been given a reasonable chance to explain their position. And also to keep things in perspective. So "This person should be taken to small claims court" rather than "Gather up your torches, villagers. We are going to march on the vampire's lair"
@@Smithpolly the track record of similar experiences with different clients over the past year or two speaks for itself. she's just a scam artist. her work is shitty and she's out of her mind
That second client story was absolutely CRAZY how does anyone have such little humanity to do all of what that artist did to that sweet lady😭
This is so new to me. A 'tea' channel (forgive me if this is the right term; i randomly clicked this video), that doesnt go overboard with comments, no shouting and overreaction; just a simple, serene delivery of her opinion.
I love how so many artists are giving her free sketches and even offering to tattoo her! But that lady tattooer needs to be corrected and maybe charge 🦊
I love this. Stuff like this makes me think, “ya know, maybe social media ISN’T the devil after all”😂 I hope this very patient & very kind lady gets the tattoo of her dreams🦊
For as much of a cesspool as TikTok is, at least something good came out of it for a change. It gives me a little bit of hope that humanity hasn’t totally doomed itself yet. It makes me so happy when people come together to help one another like this.
It’s a nice contrast to the tattooer who represents the worst of society and clearly has zero morals or ethics. Someday she will have to answer for what she has done to people. I’m sure her behavior and lack of humanity extends to all areas of her life, not just her scam tattoo business. She absolutely needs to be stopped.
Oh yeah, I heard an artist is not only flying her to LA but giving the lady the tattoo for free! Cause he was just THAT disgusted with *that* artist.
That's absolutely insane to me, bordering on extortion honestly. To not even offer a return of all or even some of the fee when you make changes 2 months out is wild.
Its 100% extortion. She drew the wrong shit on purpose
her name is lindsay joseph and her tattoo shop is lucid tattoo in cambridge ontario canada. she apparently reported hundreds of google reviews so that her google site only shows positive reviews, hence why she's at a 4.7 currently
I feel so bad for the woman who has a permanent reminder of this evil scammer on their arm 😢
Many people have been wondering if the artist can't actually draw and has traced everything. That's why she has these consul fees, to stop people from changing the tattoos she traced, because she can't alter it herself as she can't draw. It's so awful.
That would make sense as to why she doesn’t allow them to get exactly what they want, where they want. I saw her work and it’s mostly flowers, which are a lot easier to change positions and trace pieces from different works, but animals would be a lot harder. Explains why her fox looks absolutely terrible, especially in comparison to the flowers. I also saw another negative review say they wanted a flower design and paid for an original sketch, only to realize that it was the same design she did on another client. There would be no reason why she needs to replicate the same flower design if she could actually draw
@@BreakofDawnI saw at least 2 pictures on her own site where the finished tattos looked extremely bad, one was of two kids, fullfigure, with their backs to the viewer, the lines was wobbly and just bad, the ither was of a monkey and looked as bad + it looked wrong overall, like bad looking as if she can't actually draw it. Amd this was from customers testimonials on her site. I saw like one good tattoo on her site but that was of 1 single butterfly, just that, nothing else.
Please I would love to have customers to pay me more for my comissions than they do rn....I can barely get 20$ for a finished artwork!
@@Linnzy I don’t understand why she doesn’t just focus on the figures she can do - like just do flowers and butterflies, instead of ruining people’s tattoos with unskilled work!
You called it! Celle just posted a new video and yes, the scammer was tracing.
As someone who has thanked (and tipped!) for a bad haircut in the past just to avoid the heart-racing anxiety of a confrontation, I feel for this woman and I'm so sad that she got taken advantage of by someone who thinks too much of herself and her craft.
Why on earth tip someone for doing a bad job? Just pay the basic wage and never return, making sure you tell everyone the bad workmanship you experienced, revenge is sweet.
As someone who doesn’t like confrontation, I’m the same way. That’s why I feel extra bad for this poor woman that got taken advantage of
You are so respectful of these situations. I recently watched your “regretting tattoos” video and I really appreciated your understanding and perspective. I’ve now subscribed
If every time she gets a complaint she says “well you were being irresponsible with money and failed to communicate that’s not my problem” then that’s a sign your tattoos aren’t worth the money. Also communication is a two way street, if you’re constantly getting complaints from misunderstandings you need to ask for clarification and give detailed instructions on how your policies work.
I honestly even question whether the tattoo artist properly did the design. The fox looks like it has been traced when you compare it to the very unfinished and unclean flowers. That's just not okay when you charge for that.
As an artist, tracing photographs while you're sketching is fine and similar things have been done throughout history. However doing that when you've charged a grand for just the sketch is actually insane. She didn't even throw any colours down. I didn't even notice how different the lines where until I read this comment.
@@shawn-3561that concept art was shit though, objectively that would've taken me 20 minutes. It was worth $30-50 max. If it takes a WHOLE DAY to make a poorly designed concept art that's the artists fault.
@@snailart9214 oh for sure. Honestly even 30 would be a bit mad for what she gave.
The lady who originally posted found out last night from other people digging, that the fox was 100% traced from a piece of art she stole off of Etsy. Disgusting person tbh.
@@snailart9214 dude, a friend of mine does pieces like that, with animals and a shit load of flowers, as commissions and she charges 25-35 dollars for a fully unique, untraced drawing with beautifully rendered, painted artworks. not that my friend doesn’t deserve more for her work, but I’m saying this to accentuate just how fucking INSANELY OVERPRICED that clumsy tattoo sketch is.
In Spain it is illegal to make public another persons’s private information, she would have been arrested and charged. I find this whole thing horrifying (🦊🦊 btw)
Honestly wish it was illegal in USA too, but too many businesses profit off selling/exposing personal info. So f’d up
It’s illegal pretty much everywhere 😅
Your videos are always great. Both entertaining and helpful, this one especially. I feel for these people who have been coerced into paying more than they're able. Thank you for telling their story with such detail and humanity.
This is the first video I’ve found of yours, but you’ve already won me over. You’ve got a lovely voice that is pleasant to listen to, you seem genuinely kind and empathetic and your layout of the video is succinct and well thought out. I appreciate that and I feel I’ll be around for a while 🦊
These grifters will only get away with what you let them. $100 deposit max to make sure client shows up for appt. It goes towards the tattoo. Done.
Find a good artist. Stick with them for life. Send these prima donnas to the bread line.
right like I never expect to get a deposit back if I cancel a tattoo appt even well in advance, but I have also never paid more than 100 for a deposit.
Any time I've paid upfront, it ALWAYS went to the cost of the tattoo session.
The only time I can see a "design fee" is for a traditional artist who doesn't tattoo but people want to use their artwork and have a tattoo artist actually tattoo it.
The artist's emails are so rude, I would absolutely issue a charge back on my credit card if she acted like that lmao
This is the first video of yours that I see and first time I hear about tattoo gate (guess I'm on the wrong side of TikTok) but I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your calmness and the way you articulated the issue.
gurl also your voice is so calm and pretty, subscribed sisss
as a tattoo artist, my number one priority is to ensure my clients are comfortable and happy with the tattoo AND process. the tattoo itself is embedded with memory and will always be a reflection of the experience you had with the artist. to do what that tattooer did to their clients is abhorrent. they are most likely fully is aware and scamming their clients.
And no matter how good her tattoos are, the bad experience will color the person's love for it. I'm sure there are people who have objectively good tattoos that have covered or removed them because the association was so unpleasant. (Insert Fox emoji here)
They're not even good is the thing, judging by her google profile ;(
Fr I stopped going to "award winning" tattoo artist after a bad experience and have them not turn up for touch ups because they "too busy" and not tell me despite booking the time
I have a tattoo I’m getting covered simply because when the artist finished she was a total B to me and started talking behind my back to her coworkers (I don’t think there was anything I had possibly done wrong aside from change the font once)
🤷🏻♀️ why would I want an assholes art on me?
🦊 this is redonkulus, definitely taking advantage of clients through lying and pressuring. Also, unrelated, you are unbelievably beautiful. Thanks for adding awareness to the issue!
One of the best artists I ever went to just whipped up an amazing sketch in the first hour I was there. At first I was so confused when I walked in, expecting to see a finished tattoo stencil right away, but he just reassured me that he works best when talking to his clients. We had a lovely conversation and he drew a beautiful piece that really suits the placement I wanted. No extra charge for the time or design or whatever. He even changed a few things upon my request, it was super chill. And the full sketch he made right on the spot was a whole lot better than the fox too.....
I want to cry for these women, they were treated so badly and cheated out of so much money! There are so many amazing artists out there who are so lovely,kind and affordable.
You won’t believe the comments in the reviews for her shop there’s some from years and months ago basically saying the same thing about her scamming them and she just gaslights them it makes me feel so horrible for these people :((
Who the hell is getting tattoos from this scam artist!? That's insane. I'm getting work from a top level artist and that's more money than I pay for a two day session.
Right? My artist is AMAZING. She’s broken a tattoo up into sessions for me bc I had emergency expenses and couldn’t afford my scheduled full session and never blamed me for being broke like wtf that’s so RUDE esp if you’re charging $1500 for A FUCKING SKETCH.. a SKETCH…… I just can’t…… if she can’t make a good salary of her work, and has to charge people these insane prices, maybe she needs to step away from tattooing. Unbelievable. A good tattoo artist will keep getting work by word of mouth and the WORK will speak for it. I just can’t believe this situation. This poor girl was scammed so hard. She paid more for the prep for this tattoo than I’ve paid for 1/3 of my AMAZING sleeve. I’m seriously FLOORED.
The fact that Daniel Silva follows this artists is a coincidence. Both are scum bags. Daniel killed someone in a dwi crash and she’s out here scamming the hell out of the people that pay her bills. Shit made me spit my coffee out. I got tattooed by pony Lawson and surprisingly and how big his clientele is it was only a $250 deposit. No “tax” no consultation fee or anything
If you watch the video, it's very clear that people are quiet about their experiences, people don't mention names, and people are inexperienced regarding tattoos, it's really easy to get scammed when you're in the dark about everything.
This artist has a "I can do whatever I want to my clients" attitude it's amazing
17:24 Now this is a lesson to all of us to record important phone calls.
A while back I got screwed over by a teacher so I got into the habit of voice recording all conversations I have just in case they said something important or something rude. So useful, recommend it.
Big reason i always have monetary discussions in writing. The fact that she thought it was ok to do all of that is insane and its sad that those women had to suffer.
Same, everything via email. This is clearly why this artist uses calls and video, people are very unlikely to record those.
I just got my first tattoo. I went with a guy who was 100% transparent with costs and it was all in writing. No surprises at all. Great work and transparency. I would go back in a second. BTW: I live only 15 minutes from the tattogate artist so that feels really icky to me.
Surely one of her clients must have recorded the zoom call on the sly! Though she obviously only communicates through zoom to catch the people who don't really know what they're doing and that's jusg so telling and predatory imo
How the tattoo artist didn't even clean up the sketch, that's just lazy AF if you charge a design fee.
And a stupidily expensive fee at that. She could of got at least half her entire arm tattooed for that price, and by someone much better too.
@@salvatorebelloni8422 I got my entire arm done for that much by an incredibly good artist. Deposits and such I understand because as an artist myself I wouldn't want to sketch and refine a piece of art just for someone to decide they don't want it or for them to not actually show up. but that kind of price and the way the artist handled it are absolutely abysmal.
I have seen high school kids with no experience do a better sketch than that.
I commented this before but it looks worse than the shit I draw on my ipad in the 10 minutes before I fall asleep!
@@shps8609 I also got my entire arm done for roughly the same. That was around 24hrs of actually tattooing my skin. I remember that before he started on my first session he made me sit down and go over the design one final time. He said "it's on you for life, so it's important we make sure your 100% happy with what's going on your arm". Probably spent about 45 mins making minor tweaks and he never charged me.
The fact that this Canadian artist would be happy to tattoo her client with a design they didint even want is appalling. And she's almost forcing them into because of the sinking ship fallacy. And the attitude of her last email. "I’m not giving you my time, expertise, and creativity for nothing.” She really said that after taking $2600 to trace somebody else's sketch.
OMG SO WERID! I'm literally putting on RUclips videos to listen to in the background whilst going on a tattoo inspo hunt and this video randomly popped up on my feed (my apologies, I had never come across you or your channel before) As soon as I clicked on it and saw you I gasped as open on a separate tab at the same time was the nanai tatu insta with your chest tattoo I was literally looking at when I clicked on this video on their page! Weird coincidence! I absolutely lovely it I really hope to get a pair of her matching tile pieces! This also looks so good fully healed! Sorry, I just thought that little experience was too good not to share haha!
hey thank you for taking the time to make this video! also do you have a tutorial for your hair, i love it soo much!! also you're really pretty
I'm a tattoo artist and I am so blown away by the treatment this woman got. There's nothing normal about this. I fully understand not wanting to do unpaid work, but charging this amount for a rough sketch is absolutely ludicrous. I usually do a rough sketch prior to the appointment, but I don't charge extra for that, unless the client wants a full-finished drawing, but even then I charge nowhere near this much.
This is scammy and backhanded and this person deserves the backlash.
I wonder how much longer she will remain in business.
Btw Do you have Ig? :D
@@AroxTheMutilator prob not a whole lot longer
Haha yes, suck at posting tho!
@crowbirdink
@@charlielauenborg5087 thank you, just followed!
She forgot about option 4 no thanks and walk away.
Thank you, this video gave me the courage to confront the shop that never finished my tattoo. Screw feeling unsafe or used!
the way you speak makes all my worries go away its so soothing
BRUH. I am currently coming up on session 2 for my nine tailed fox thigh piece and it's gonna be like $1500 max FOR THE WHOLE TATTOO. My artist only required a $60 deposit to do the sketch!
im actually like physically fuming hearing these women's stories. i feel so angry for them, they are way too nice about the whole thing!! 😭😭😭😭
Where do people get this kind of confidence?! Holy crap
Damn this video has sooo many views your hard work and consistency is paying off Celle ✌🏼🦊
As a tattoo artist myself, I can’t even consider charging for a consultation, let alone any of the other fees, aside from a deposit (WHICH 100% SHOULD GO TOWARD THE COST OF THE TATTOO). My consultations are not just for me to figure out what I’m going to design for my potential client, but for them to see if they are sure they want me as their artist, which THEN we discuss the deposit. My deposit is me confirming with them that I will be working with them drawing their design and making adjustments to it as needed until we finalize a design we both like, and then proceed to book the appointment, at no extra cost, once the design is finalized. The deposit is non refundable solely for the reason that if they decide to take my design to someone cheaper, at least I got some compensation for my time and effort. It’s a lot more work on my end, but my goal is to do some awesome art on people
Exactly! And this is how it should be. This “artist” is just dodgy all around.
A consultation fee is ridiculous (especially when they clearly didn’t discuss what she actually wanted as the sketch is so wrong) because consults are the time when the artist can say “I don’t think I can do this piece for XYZ reason”, or when the client has had a look at more of the artists work and realised they are wanting a different style, or when the client realises it’s going to be more time/money than they can afford to get done, etc.
And I agree that deposits are important and should be non-refundable for if the client just doesn’t show up or cancels last minute etc, but that that deposit fee should also go on the tattoo cost.
I would even agree with charging a drawing fee for complex pieces, because I’ve seen my friend design one that took her 4 hours to look how she wanted it to and she only charges a $10hr design fee. But a $1700 fee is just ridiculous (especially for a sketch that looks like a high school art student scribbled it into their sketchbook whilst bored)
What this “artist” has done is just scamming her client and then doxxing her online when she was called out on her shitty business practices.
@elenalizabeth my friend scribbles that when they're bored and they rarely even draw, they're a frigging med student. This is insane.
It’s ridiculous to ask for thousands of dollars beforehand when it’s not even deductible from the actual price of the tattoo. I feel like a design fee itself is kinda weird because that’s what a deposit is for. The most I’ve paid for a deposit was $200 and that was deducted from the tattoo price. Watch out people!
This makes me appreciate my tattoo artist soooo much. I’m so glad I over tip him every time. Last time I tipped him 40% because he had quoted me a price for a 3 hour tattoo that ended up taking almost 6 hours and he didn’t want to charge me more so I tipped him for the extra time. He’s amazing.
You have the sweetest, most calming voice! The first time I heard about this I couldn't believe she was getting away with it. I'm exactly like the first woman, though. I would never speak a bad word about anyone so I'm sure I would have a hard time believing someone was scamming me. I hate that this has happened to so many people. I hope she does something that causes the cops to be able to do something about it. It's crazy that it isn't considered illegal. Also the second woman that came forward has the cutest cheeks!! I had to say that lol
I saw that poor women's tiktok like a week ago and I was IN SHOCK. Poor her!
Listen I'm the kind of person that would be recording those phone calls. I be keeping all the receipts. This is also why I text or email right after a call to confirm what was said.
I’ve always discussed tattoo pricing with my artists over email for that reason. And I double check even if they’re website says the pricing.
That’s I almost never rely on phone consultation only. I always ask for an email after, with reference photos and all the info. We also keep track of prices we’ve given a client by putting them in the calendar next to the customers name. I can’t imagine not being honest with my clients about my work. Getting a tattoo is a whole experience and it should be one of clients happy memories.
I had a similar story. I once went to an tattoo artist to sketch and tattoo it. I told him several times via DM , that I can't really sketch it but I want two little birds each representing Yin and Yang. I send him 2 pictures, one with Koi Fish and said that I want it like that style but with birds. I had to pay 50 Euro in advance to even get appointment, so he can be sure I will arrive. The appointment was done about 2 months ahead at that time. I asked him if he will sketch it and send me some first impressions, so we can work on it to get it as I please (since I paid a fee and told him all necessary details about it). He only told me that we make it on the appointment. Not really what I expected but ok.
Fast forward on the appointment and he was late around 30 minutes. No problem for me, since I had time that day, but thought he would make it up by exceeding the appointment. When I went there he didn't know what I wanted, he thought I just wanted the sent Koi Picture on my arm (I wanted it on my leg). Then I had to tell him everything again. He wanted to push his style and since I wasn't 100% happy he told me 30 min into the appointment, that I really don't want it and he won't tattoo it like I wanted it to be because it's his art etc. He became very rude, telling me it's about him and his work and not how I want it. He even called it his art, but he did nothing but wanted to tattoo other peoples work out of Pinterest. We couldn't agree on it that day, at that point I wasn't comfortable at all. He told me I should contact him again "if I am really sure what I want". I texted him later, that I don't really feel comfortable with him and that our views are very different at that point, but thanked him for his time; I was very polite, though he was really an asshole. I asked him about the fee and he told me he won't return it since it was his working time without achieve anything. I said fine (even though I wasn't) but asked for the sketch we worked on.
Then he really wanted a total of 160 Euros for the sketch he literally took out of Pinterest, because his hour wage is 160 and we worked one hour on it. First of all, we worked 30 minutes on it, since he came late and didn't exceed the appointment. Then he didn't even know what I wanted 2 months prior, having the audacity to even call out on my taste and how "Yin and Yang are only Fish and can't be anything other than this". Also he told me when I approached him with my request, that he would do it like I told him and that's fine for him. If he would told me right on he only tattoo his style and nothing else, that would make it much more clear about the outcome. But he rather choose to be rude, ignored me even when his guy friend showed him some videos. Lastly, the 50 Euro fee was just an "arrival fee", I would get it back when I come to the appointment.
Nope. I didn't.
After that I wanted to speak with his chef (like a karen lol), but I didn't had the time for it since it was further away. It's been half a year, I am still frustrated at the money but at least now I know how to approach another artist again.
🦊 this is the first video of yours I've seen, idk why it got recommended but I like your style. Gonna check out more now
My last artist charged a $60 deposit for booking. The $60 was nonrefundable but was applied to the cost of the tattoo. Charged a very reasonable hourly rate and it was a fast tattoo for how complex it was. No drawing fee. Great guy. Would love to get more work from him but he moved out of state so it's tough. Shout out to Simon Tegero! I love my tattoo
I have work done by one of the artists that did the reference tattoos. She’s world renowned and the cost of my tattoo is a tiny fraction of all these bogus charges. Criminal
I like how you talk, you’re so classy and polite
This is absolutely insane. I'm glad I have a regular shop, but I'm glad I know what to look out for now elsewhere.
She should sue for defamation for sharing her ID to get her 4g back. She’d be done for GDPR if this happened in Europe, use that as your example case law and you’ve a fair battle. Not to mention she DID pay and people she knew reached out asking about it (defamed) and now has to carry a scar from the person who did it (emotional trauma). Girl get your money back!
two seconds into the original tiktok I am already screaming.
That much money for a rough sketch and you get to change one small thing....hell no
it goes on my body and if I want the artist to redraw all of it they will do it or I will leave
and for sure not pay more than a lot of tattoos cost
insane
New subscriber you are so soft spoken and calm I love your videos!! I always have RUclips playing in the background and you just made me realize I don’t wanna listen to angry man voices anymore lol 😂😂
🦊 love your videos!! Thank you for exposing these people with your platform. ❤
There was a tattoo artist in my home town that would give you a price and ask for a deposit and then mid tattoo tell you an amount like 200 to 500 more than the quote you agreed upon when starting and you would have to give it to them or they wouldn't finish. Felt like blackmailing clients with half done work
Get it in writing!
@@BertNielson it was in a text for two people I know personally. It wasn't for me to fix or push though. I wouldn't go to that guy knowing he does this
🦊 I would have dipped at hearing the consultation fee tbh
24:02 thanks so much for featuring my tattoos!!!
i love ur energy, so calm and idk, peaceful❤
🦊 Wow! That’s horrifying! So many people (myself included) save up to get good artwork. And to be surprised with unexpected fees and not get your deposit back if you abandon the project is just insane.
I'm sorry this happened to this woman. It really feels like I could have gone on Fiverr and gotten work like this done. I cant imagine paying that much for just a sketch of a tattoo that I might get
So for anyone who has to do Zoom call anything you can screen record if you have a new enough device.
But there is a function in zoom that also records and transcribed closed captions for what whats said in audio. It will let the person know you're recording though which could show you a red flag from the gate if they react really terribly.
🦊🦊 i feel so much for these people because I’d also be the “too nice” person not wanting to be confrontational…but glad more info is getting out there so people like can be more confident to stand up for themselves if something is off.
Some tattoo artists have really fallen into the celebrity cult trough. I had a renowned tattoo artist work on me a few years ago - long story short, she mismanaged her time and didn't colour her sketch in that i agreed to, so we talked about the colours at the day of the appointment and i told her clearly what i did and didn't want. She then proceeded to completelt disregard my opinion and tattooed colours i explicitly refused. Then she refused to refund the money unless i came to the shop in person, she wouldn't let my husband come and pick it up for me. I was terrified of going back because she was so aggressive and mean so i lost out on 700 bucks. After i posted about it on a fb group for modded people, she proceeded to send her stans to harrass and threaten me with violence. Yikes.
Omg that sucks. So sorry that this happend to you.
Tattoo artist needs to be black listed
I had a tattoo shop estimate my moderately sized tattoo at $500. Found a guy who laughed and said i shouldnt pay more than $200 for that size, he charged me $180 and it's a great tattoo.
Happened to me once but to a lesser degree. Booked an appointment with an artist who was recommended to me by a friend. He was an hour and 40 minute drive from me but I had seen his work and thought he would be a good fit for my piece. Drove there for the consultation, gave references, told him I wanted it on my inner forearm, and filled out a little consultation sheet, gave a $150 deposit/drawing fee & set an appointment. Appointment day comes, I drive over an hour only to get a call from him that he had to cancel. I was upset, but we booked another day. That second appointment comes around, I didn’t hear from him at all but I drove ANOTHER 1 & 40 min to get there only for him to show me a design that WAS NOTHING like we agreed on! AND he designed it for the middle of my back! I was young and unsure of how to act in that situation but I was on the verge of tears. I was polite and said that’s not what we agreed to.. and showed him my references again.. told him it was going on my arm… he said if you don’t want this tattoo than I don’t know what to tell you. He wouldn’t redesign it, or even resize it, and said my deposit wasn’t refundable because he had already drawn something up. (I got the vibe he never drew me anything, and last minute showed me a design he already used for someone else cause it was NOTHING like what I wanted.) I lost the deposit, a bunch of money in gas, and my time! I felt so disappointed and ripped off. It was really sad. Ps. my friends tattoo from him got really messy over time and had lines blow out.. so I guess it was for the best, but it was an unfortunate interaction to have with someone I was really excited to get work from. Shame.
She deserves to get her shop closed and get sued, that tattoo artist seems like a absolutely awful person and she's definitely a scammer
Relieved to hear that kind of pricing is rare, I'm getting my first big tattoo next week and this was stressing me out lol 🦊
This video makes me want to do more research before getting my first tattoo so I know better what to expect when it comes to fees. So many people don’t have an extra $1000 to spend, especially if they didn’t know that going into the process. 🦊
Everything needs to be in writing even if it's done over the phone or in person! If I make another appointment after I just finished getting tattooed, my artist will send me an email after confirming everything said in person including my deposit and cost. She also will typically do three stencils but will always quote for the largest of the three so you are not surprised by a bigger cost if you choose the largest sized.