You're a brave person taking fsd down the Holland/ Lincoln tunnels I've found that FSD is the opposite of AP on highways. AP let's me relax for stretches. FSD has me on edge the entire time. Feels like a near slighted new driver. Unsure in places, slow when it shouldn't be.
Awesome video man. I look forward to the day when commuters can just have a relaxing drive to work. Removing the stress alone is worth the price of FSD personally.
Incredibly difficult problem to solve but give them a couple/few more yrs and I believe you'll have it your way. Eventually it will become mandatory for new vehicles.
"very good build in the right conditions" ---- absolutely spot on. My first drive with this build was a massive improvement from 10.12, but with no traffic around. It has become very good at negotiating roads and stoplights and intersections etc... basic road rules. Now it needs better "street smarts" for negotiating in traffic. And, I would love a way to dial back the acceleration. I enjoy riding slow. Great video as usual! Thank you.
To drive in Manhattan, system must be assertive and perhaps even aggressive sometimes, like the human pilots. Tesla needs to enlist the help of NYC yellow taxi drivers to train its FSD Beta for driving in NYC.
Had a model 3 for 4 years and only got The beta 2 months before trading it in so im starting over. I think they are going to tackle all the NYC edge cases last. That’s when it will really be ready for prime time.
I've had 10.69.2 do some incredibly stupid things in only two days of driving it. Lane changes in an intersection. Completely missing getting into the left turn lanes for getting onto the freeway. Almost stopping going into a left turn lane and leaving the rear of the car out in traffic (the truck behind me gave me the "bird" for that one). Turning on the turn signal when stopped at a traffic light when not in a turn lane, i.e. signaling a lane change while stopped at a traffic light. Waiting until WAY too late to change lanes getting ready for turns. Changing lanes in one direction only to change back shortly after. Going down a freeway on ramp at 35 MPH to merge with traffic going 75 MPH. AND it still completely ignores speed limit changes in school zones (a pet peeve of mine). After exiting the freeway for a left turn, it turned into the turn lane to go back onto the freeway in the opposite direction rather than into the regular traffic lane for the route it was following. It seems like there is still a long way to go. I'm in the Phoenix Arizona area.
If they can fix the lane selection moving forward I think that will be the biggest step improvement that spring forward the system. As of now that remains my biggest issue.
I'm in the Phoenix area also (Buckeye) and have noticed gradual improvements, but like you said, there's still more work to do. Lane placement is my biggest issue also. I normally get into the correct lane for my upcoming turn up to a mile and a half ahead of time. Quite often making a left turn onto the freeway would be missed if I don't intervene. The car goes to the right and waits for the last minute sometimes to get over to the left. Sometimes it won't go to the left at all and we'll miss the turn. So lane selection and a slow approach to stop signs are the two big things that I disengage from. Out here in Arizona, people are in a big hurry and will run you off the road if you're not moving. A slow approach to a stop sign combined with a stop that's 25 ft short of the line followed by a slow creep through the stop sign will surely get you run off the road out here. I saw some videos in the first few 10.69 versions where the car was much more natural and it seems like it's been dialed back in 10.69.2. I understand the need to be cautious and to avoid liability and also look forward to a more confident and natural ride like I've seen in some of the videos. Can't wait to try out hardware 4 and also take in some of the benefits of the dojo computing!
@@davemerk68 It’s unclear if hardware 4 will be retrofitted. I have a Cybertruck ordered which should show up in 2 years or so. Really hoping Tesla honors the $7,000 FSD price when I ordered it and that it has hardware 4. 🤞🤞
I live in Paris, France...FSD will have to be trained for traffic circles with lots of fast-moving cars and trucks (e.g. place de l'Étoile), AND concentric traffic circles with inner and outer lanes and exit points (e.g. place de l'Italie)...good luck with that.
Not just Paris, I’ve driven all over the country - you can nos find road furniture in almost every town, plus some roads are incredibly narrow with very high curbs that will shred your wheels if you get too close.
Excellent video as usual thank you. I was expecting better result in NYC from FSD Beta but as you point out it’s the ultimate difficulty so it’s understandable. Let see at the end of the year if it gets better in the city.
Awesome video, lots of good advice; being familiar with New York City traffic people and circumstances it will be a challenge for FST to navigate the city streets better than a human. Will follow your instructional videos with pleasure, thank you!…
Supercruise and others are not thinking on their own, like AI like FSD and Autopilot do not use the map. It adjusts to the city environment, which is much better and forward-thinking, not guided by specific maps.
Awesome video! Thank you. As a fellow New England Tesla owner w/FSD and your neighbor to the north in CT i will continue to take metro north into the city for now ;> Be well!
I don’t how people live in NY and deal with that traffic and general congestion. I couldn’t even stand Houston, TX, moved to AZ, outskirts of Phoenix are much better. The heat is less stressful than all the congestion.
@@officialyasir They still do drive in NYC, but if it's too much for somebody, they have many alternatives. I agree with you though, it's hell to drive there.
It's not great in NYC but it is great in other areas. They've not spent time focusing on NYC either. I think if they focus on that area it will be much better.
in downtown there are so many light up billboards often with red parts, maybe flashing, that it is hard for the system to differentiate this from red traffic lights. Maybe because of this the system errors came
Just watching this makes me anxious.. I've driven in Manhattan once, parked the car at the hotel, bought a metro pass and left the car there until it was time to return the it at the airport. lol.
30:55 Autopilot aborted for system error. Not good for Tesla, should systematically test in such cities. Many European cities are worse than New York - actually in every italian city, New York traffic is standard until sunset. Then it becomes the land of the free. The darker it gets, the more traffic signs are ignored and driving becomes an art. Please do more test-videos while in or when leaving New York.
There are at least three other channels driving FSD Beta around NYC: TeslaNYC FSD Hard Mode AllAboutTeslaY It's clear NYC is the most interesting and difficult driving in North America, like this guys says. And the channels show how very far FSD has to go.
6:43 IT WILL NEVER HAPEN BCS ITS STATE/NTHCA THAT DICTATES THAT NOT TESLA.Same is for superchargers its NOT TESLA that dictates BUT STATE/TOWN/OWNER OF THE PLOT/LOCAL ELECTRICITY PROVIDER that DICTATES if Tesla will have supercharger instaled somewhere or not. So as always has been its not up to Elon nor Tesla BUT biroratic/legislation bodies.
I was kinda meditating watching this from start to finish with attention but relaxed. The nnnoooo scenes kicked my brain. Then I turned the vid off. Do we really need those scenes???
@@BlackTesla I'd bet you anything Tesla won't solve urban driving with the current hardware. Just not gonna happen. They'll need a big redesign of the hardware to have a chance. AI and a few badly-placed cheap cameras just aren't up to the high intelligence needed for city driving.
Nobody discusses, that the system is not only clueless at some scenarios, but I get also more and more the feeling, that at real though situations it is also much too slow. The processor of Tesla is mindblowing fast, but in a real difficult city like New York where humans make quick decisions because they know on what you have to focus really, the car processor is there too slow with it's calculations and decisions... FSD focusses always on everything, what makes the processing too slow for such a crazy wild traffic. The FSD software is not flexibel enough to know what is important and what is not, because therefor you needed to realy understand what the things mean in your surrounding, but a computer doesn't understand the world, just sees geometries, shapes and motion and knows just a couple of definitions of the things. Trying to run over a tipped over cone: Elon!!! That's a no go at the end of 2022!
@6:50 I think it will be a while before "hands-free" is actually a thing for Autopilot/FSD even on highway due to safety reasons. Competitors have "handsfree" but their safety/confidence aren't reliable as Autopilot/FSD, so I wouldn't put much credence to their "handfree" mode.
repeat this in a snow storm in a few months. gunna be fun! On a side note this drive reminds me of how much I hate NY traffic. I once sat on the GWB for THREE hours in the middle of the day for no reason. No accident, no broken down car, nothing! Just tons and tons of aggressive idiots. Share this with Dirty Tesla, his MI traffic is a cake walk compared to the North East.
As much as I would like to see the beta be able to drive through NY city, the driving environment there is just too much for it in its current state. It will get there one day.
They've largely paused the rollout to new cars and are expanding the rollout to cars already in the queue. It's sort of like first come first serve it seems and there's a really long line sadly
I would laugh hysterically if William Daniels the voice of KITT on Knight Rider came though the car speakers and said can I take you to the nearest Starbucks lol
I’m in Brooklyn and struggle to get a good safety score. I keep getting forward collision warnings for pedestrians who stand in the street while waiting to cross. I don’t think it’s optimized for this environment. But at the same time you want it to be extra cautious and not hit pedestrians so I’m not sure how they square that.
Tesla won't square that. NYC is far too difficult for the current hardware and AI. At the current rate of development, they won't conquer NYC driving in twenty years. FSD Beta probably needs some kind of intervention on average every minute in NYC, based on videos from the other channels that drive there. A good NYC taxi driver can go a lifetime without an unacceptable move.
I tested a Tesla last year as a rental car it had full self driving, my impression was that full self-driving in the Boston area is going to be at least 10 years away. And the two days I had it in the limited amount of time I could USE autopilot it tried to kill me twice.
For robotaxi to succeed I don't see why something like your commute isn't given higher priority than the chuck style left turn. Unless the team is trying to address this, but it's a series of much more difficult problems.
All autonomy companies except Tesla are doing exactly what you are saying: prioritize urban driving. They know that conquering city driving is the only way to conquer driving in general. And for the robotaxi business, cities are the only places to make real money. There won't be a valuable licensed robocar in the USA that can't get a license in a major city. City driving has all the difficulties that a good robocar needs to master, even for suburban driving. The same problems pop up in less dense areas as cities, just not as often.
I wouldn't say it's a fail or its useless. I think it's as I said it works really well and is very useful in the right environments, congested city centers like NYC are just not the right environments for the system at this point.
As an NYC resident with a Tesla. Let me tell you. Tesla would have to put a quantum computer in our cars to figure out what a taxi cab or pedestrian or MTA bus is going to do. My very complex brain can't even work that out sometimes.
yeah. AI alone on the puny computers in FSD just aren't gonna be intelligent enough to stay safe over millions of miles in busy cities, especially NYC. Tesla is trying to solve the biggest possible problem in auto autonomy, L5 driving, using the least amount of hardware. Their plan to drive around and figure everything out on the fly is not gonna work in city driving. NYC shows they haven't even gotten to first base. Even Waymo, with over 40 sensors, including 29 cameras and 360-degree lidar on the roof, detailed custom maps, and millions of miles of professional training over years on specific city streets, knows they can't solve NYC in the short term. It's the ultimate challenge in the USA.
These are the kinds of streets I seldom drive, but always think "there's no way FSD can handle this." And yep, pretty far from ready for prime time. I know suburban drivers who can go for ages without a disengagement, but the chaos of a serious city is a whole other challenge.
FSD is a pipe dream.. I hate to say it.. as much as I wish FSD will succeed, there are just too many scenarios and road irregularities for cars to fully drive autonomously. Maybe in a decade or so.. maybe..
@ 13:45, the comment concerning "we are not driving a model 3 or model y". Bad look for you. A little bit Tesla snobbish going on? Yes you went on to say that it was a personal decision. I understand your concern but I think your point could have been made without throwing shade at the majority of Tesla owners. Not a sermon, just a thought.
I'll clarify for you like I did for another 3 owner. I say that in a few videos and it's not to be condescending but to highlight the risk in taking a low volume car like the S/X into this situation and the long wait times for parts for low volume cars as opposed to the shorter wait times for high volume cars like 3/Y. Owners that have owned multiple Teslas or have been owners for longer understand that distinction as they know that risk. This is why you see a lot of owners testing FSD in 3/Y instead of S/X they have higher risk tolerance where as S/X owners have lower tolerance based on wait time of parts majority.
@@BlackTesla thanks for your comment. I must admit I missed your prior statement concerning “low volume S/X”. Your explanation, which is appreciated, gives me a better understanding of your comment. Thanks for the videos. Keep up the good work
Great perspective from another place, thanks for the video; great job, awesome car. I see why people take the train! OMG. Totally different world here in the OC. It works really well here in Orange County, CA. We have wide streets with many lanes, very safe, very easy. More bike lanes than street parking, few vulnerable road users. Can drive an hour with 1-4 disengagements. Doesn't do well on left turns when there are multiple left turn lanes; I always tend to disengage on those. No more fantom breaking since switching to Tesla Vision. Used to be really bad with radar. Overall, it's amazingly fantastic. The Navigation data and route decision-making seems to be the same for FSD Beta vs non-beta
You're doing the job to advance FSD, so with your involvement in gathering data, we don't have to use predefined maps, which is BS. I want this car to think and adjust to its environment AI. Soon, we'll be celebrating TESLA's AMAZING defeat.
First 3.5 minutes of commentary...oh so true! Holland Tunnel built 1920-1927, Lincoln Tunnel built 1934-1937. The Holland Tunnel is essentially one hundred years old! NY-NJ badly needs at least one more modern tunnel for vehicular traffic + one rail tunnel for AMTRAK, NE Corridor trains. The old PRR tunnel was built 1904-1908 and still is THE rail tunnel joining NY-NJ!
Excellent real-world documentation and a preview of what to expect even in San Francisco. New proposal: a few days ago you proposed the “school bus standard for comfort of the user. Consider adding the “grandfather standard” of comfort i.e. would grandpa feel comfortable having FSD drive him to a store or to a nearby city to visit with friends/family. That’s what I had in mind when I bought FSD 5 years ago.
28:28 - Also, if you just grab the wheel, that only stops auto steer, the car is still in charge of acceleration and braking. You can also disengage everything by hitting the right scroll wheel.
You say they should test on manhattan first and then it will all work out, it doesn't quite work that way :) but I believe you are in a real sense right anyway. Tesla AP started out trying to handle slight curves on simple country roads and that's just not the way to approach it. So starting with something as messy as the worst of manhattan can show you what you need to handle for it to work and then wont be lured into simpler solutions that wont last to the end. What's needed is a general driver and only a mindset able to tackle that should be in charge.
Thanks for the comment. Allow me to retort, it's exactly like that 😆 solving complex problems involves solving smaller ones in the process. If the goal is to get around country roads they've succeeded and the car can do that well. If the goal was to conquer a complex city environment then they solve the country road, busy city, construction, and many other use cases. Also, AP was not started trying to handle country roads it started with the aspiration to handle highway driving on-ramp to off-ramp and all the complexities required for that. I know this because I was one of the lucky few to test the first builds of Autopilot outside of employees. The ambition quickly grew beyond that which became the basis for why mobileye was both selected snd why their relationship deteriorated. But I digress, I hear what you're saying
I agree Dan, they have to conquer city driving to have anything of value. FSD won't get any valuable license in an empty rural area. If some place in North Dakota does give them a license, it won't be valuable enough to matter. If they can't conquer even a mid-size city, they can't conquer driving. All the problems that occur in cities also can pop up in suburbs and small towns, but not as often. And if Tesla is serious about having an L5 robocar that can really go anywhere, they obviously need to conquer the hardest city driving before they can get a license.
Exactly, that's what FSD seems almost good on, empty suburbs and rural roads with nice painted lines and protected intersections. Even there, FSD isn't close. In busy cities, it's just not gonna work.
My Model 3 isn't expendable 😕. I don't take some extra risk because it cost less than a plaid. Pretty rude to insinuate because your not in a model 3 or Y you can't risk certain things.
Don't be offended that's not the intention. What I meant is that parts are harder to come by so the wait is significantly longer than a 3/Y which are produced exponentially more than the S/X.
@@BlackTesla that's not a real justification in my opinion. May be true about the possible repair time but it doesn't mean it's ok for people driving a model 3 or Y to have a higher risk tolerance.
@@BlackTesla Please don't misunderstand. I'm not upset. it just feels like that's an unnecessary comment to make. Looking forward to the other test drives.
I have a Model X 2017 which has challenges in navigating within Princeton, NJ area (local roads). I'm not sure how all those youtubers are getting such a smooth (in my view) drive around. I do agree there is some improvement in Left turns but why right turns has so much jerky turns which I don't get it. accelerates too fast to catch up posted speed or applies break too hard coming to stop sign or signal lights. This happens due to it doesn't slow down coming to those stop situations.
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Great drive, thank you. This is one of the most challenging environments in US for sure.
💯 exactly if they can do this successfully they can do almost anywhere
Fo sho it is
You're a brave person taking fsd down the Holland/ Lincoln tunnels
I've found that FSD is the opposite of AP on highways. AP let's me relax for stretches.
FSD has me on edge the entire time. Feels like a near slighted new driver. Unsure in places, slow when it shouldn't be.
great test, love that you arnt too biased, calling it how it is.
honestly,it quite sketchy in that environment
Wow, complexity of FSD beta driving in downtown NYC is painfully evident. Thanks for doing this demonstration!
Yes very complex but I'm confident they can solve it.
Awesome video man. I look forward to the day when commuters can just have a relaxing drive to work. Removing the stress alone is worth the price of FSD personally.
Incredibly difficult problem to solve but give them a couple/few more yrs and I believe you'll have it your way. Eventually it will become mandatory for new vehicles.
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"very good build in the right conditions" ---- absolutely spot on. My first drive with this build was a massive improvement from 10.12, but with no traffic around. It has become very good at negotiating roads and stoplights and intersections etc... basic road rules. Now it needs better "street smarts" for negotiating in traffic. And, I would love a way to dial back the acceleration. I enjoy riding slow. Great video as usual! Thank you.
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To drive in Manhattan, system must be assertive and perhaps even aggressive sometimes, like the human pilots.
Tesla needs to enlist the help of NYC yellow taxi drivers to train its FSD Beta for driving in NYC.
Haha, good one :D
I was waiting for this
Lincoln Tunnel to Midtown/Port Authority/Times Square; nightmare scenario for FSD and Human. Love it!
Had a model 3 for 4 years and only got The beta 2 months before trading it in so im starting over. I think they are going to tackle all the NYC edge cases last. That’s when it will really be ready for prime time.
Nice but why not tackle that first so they can become expert at it?
I've had 10.69.2 do some incredibly stupid things in only two days of driving it. Lane changes in an intersection. Completely missing getting into the left turn lanes for getting onto the freeway. Almost stopping going into a left turn lane and leaving the rear of the car out in traffic (the truck behind me gave me the "bird" for that one). Turning on the turn signal when stopped at a traffic light when not in a turn lane, i.e. signaling a lane change while stopped at a traffic light. Waiting until WAY too late to change lanes getting ready for turns. Changing lanes in one direction only to change back shortly after. Going down a freeway on ramp at 35 MPH to merge with traffic going 75 MPH. AND it still completely ignores speed limit changes in school zones (a pet peeve of mine). After exiting the freeway for a left turn, it turned into the turn lane to go back onto the freeway in the opposite direction rather than into the regular traffic lane for the route it was following. It seems like there is still a long way to go. I'm in the Phoenix Arizona area.
If they can fix the lane selection moving forward I think that will be the biggest step improvement that spring forward the system. As of now that remains my biggest issue.
I'm in the Phoenix area also (Buckeye) and have noticed gradual improvements, but like you said, there's still more work to do. Lane placement is my biggest issue also. I normally get into the correct lane for my upcoming turn up to a mile and a half ahead of time. Quite often making a left turn onto the freeway would be missed if I don't intervene. The car goes to the right and waits for the last minute sometimes to get over to the left. Sometimes it won't go to the left at all and we'll miss the turn. So lane selection and a slow approach to stop signs are the two big things that I disengage from. Out here in Arizona, people are in a big hurry and will run you off the road if you're not moving. A slow approach to a stop sign combined with a stop that's 25 ft short of the line followed by a slow creep through the stop sign will surely get you run off the road out here. I saw some videos in the first few 10.69 versions where the car was much more natural and it seems like it's been dialed back in 10.69.2. I understand the need to be cautious and to avoid liability and also look forward to a more confident and natural ride like I've seen in some of the videos. Can't wait to try out hardware 4 and also take in some of the benefits of the dojo computing!
@@davemerk68 It’s unclear if hardware 4 will be retrofitted. I have a Cybertruck ordered which should show up in 2 years or so. Really hoping Tesla honors the $7,000 FSD price when I ordered it and that it has hardware 4. 🤞🤞
You said all that and it's still better than driving yourself. I rather take over every now and then but for the most part it is GREAT
Incorrect lane changes need to be fixed asap
Disengagements auto flag, so no worries there. Great video!
FYI: They are called "street bollards" or "traffic bollards" not pylons.
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I live in Paris, France...FSD will have to be trained for traffic circles with lots of fast-moving cars and trucks (e.g. place de l'Étoile), AND concentric traffic circles with inner and outer lanes and exit points (e.g. place de l'Italie)...good luck with that.
Not just Paris, I’ve driven all over the country - you can nos find road furniture in almost every town, plus some roads are incredibly narrow with very high curbs that will shred your wheels if you get too close.
Excellent video as usual thank you. I was expecting better result in NYC from FSD Beta but as you point out it’s the ultimate difficulty so it’s understandable. Let see at the end of the year if it gets better in the city.
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Awesome video, lots of good advice; being familiar with New York City traffic people and circumstances it will be a challenge for FST to navigate the city streets better than a human. Will follow your instructional videos with pleasure, thank you!…
Agreed thanks for watching 👍🏾
Suggestion: the fast forward sounds aren't that pleasing. Could use less high pitched sound? 👐 Thx for the drive
You mean India, UK and PALESTINE 🇵🇸☝🏼
Supercruise and others are not thinking on their own, like AI like FSD and Autopilot do not use the map. It adjusts to the city environment, which is much better and forward-thinking, not guided by specific maps.
New York is stupid for not removing cars from Manhattan
Very awesome video! We say this often...when FSD masters NYC and other cities in the Northeast (Boston), it will drive anywhere!! has a way to go...
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I want to see how this behaves in India. Possibly the worlds most chaotic nation.
great place for trains and electric scooters. Get cars the hell out of Manhattan
Timesquare ladys and gentleman.
Tesla: Ok im out!
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Black Tesla: Time Square Ladies and Gentlemen!
Tesla: Nope.
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Awesome video! Thank you. As a fellow New England Tesla owner w/FSD and your neighbor to the north in CT i will continue to take metro north into the city for now ;> Be well!
💯 🤣 I know that's right
I don’t how people live in NY and deal with that traffic and general congestion. I couldn’t even stand Houston, TX, moved to AZ, outskirts of Phoenix are much better. The heat is less stressful than all the congestion.
Yes a tough ordeal for sure
In NYC, most don't have a car, and they have a gigantic subway network along with tons of buses and taxis.
@@charliedoyle7824 what are all those cars on the road then? Lol. I get what you mean though.
@@officialyasir They still do drive in NYC, but if it's too much for somebody, they have many alternatives.
I agree with you though, it's hell to drive there.
I think tesla made a mistake not sinking the screen into the dash . Just makes the high end teslas look like their cheaper models.
It's pretty well integrated much better than the 3/Y. But retains their sense of openness
Be careful last night it crossed over the fog line on me to get into the wrong lane on an off ramp
Yep that's why I say keep your foot over the brake the easiest way to avoid an issue
Wow fsd is shockingly bad. Especially since they been at this for so long.
It's not great in NYC but it is great in other areas. They've not spent time focusing on NYC either. I think if they focus on that area it will be much better.
in downtown there are so many light up billboards often with red parts, maybe flashing, that it is hard for the system to differentiate this from red traffic lights. Maybe because of this the system errors came
No lines markings, USA too many Dumb roads But TESLA will prevail!
To be fair they just paved the road but didn't put the lines on yet
My nerves would be shot driving in the conditions you were are in.
Yes very nerve wracking if not used to it
Just watching this makes me anxious..
I've driven in Manhattan once, parked the car at the hotel, bought a metro pass and left the car there until it was time to return the it at the airport. lol.
That's the way to go
30:55 Autopilot aborted for system error. Not good for Tesla, should systematically test in such cities. Many European cities are worse than New York - actually in every italian city, New York traffic is standard until sunset. Then it becomes the land of the free. The darker it gets, the more traffic signs are ignored and driving becomes an art.
Please do more test-videos while in or when leaving New York.
There are at least three other channels driving FSD Beta around NYC:
TeslaNYC
FSD Hard Mode
AllAboutTeslaY
It's clear NYC is the most interesting and difficult driving in North America, like this guys says. And the channels show how very far FSD has to go.
Thanks for sharing 🙏 Still a ways to go but it’ll be interesting to see how much better, or not, it handles the same roads over time.
Thanks for watching
@@BlackTesla You’re welcome!
Seems like 10.69 was better than the newer versions.
Yes for sure it has a ways to go yet ,No Robo Taxi there LOL🚖🚕
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what did I just watched? 37 mins of traffic jam?
No you watch an hour of traffic jam condensed to 37 mins 🤣 such is the risk of going into NYC
6:43 IT WILL NEVER HAPEN BCS ITS STATE/NTHCA THAT DICTATES THAT NOT TESLA.Same is for superchargers its NOT TESLA that dictates BUT STATE/TOWN/OWNER OF THE PLOT/LOCAL ELECTRICITY PROVIDER that DICTATES if Tesla will have supercharger instaled somewhere or not.
So as always has been its not up to Elon nor Tesla BUT biroratic/legislation bodies.
I was kinda meditating watching this from start to finish with attention but relaxed.
The nnnoooo scenes kicked my brain. Then I turned the vid off.
Do we really need those scenes???
4:10 passing through my city lmao. Love it.
I'm at 31:15, and it appears to me that FSD is still not ready for midtown Manhattan. Stress-free commute from NJ? Still a work in progress.
It's not sadly but I'm confident Tesla can solve this they just need to focus on this
@@BlackTesla I'd bet you anything Tesla won't solve urban driving with the current hardware. Just not gonna happen. They'll need a big redesign of the hardware to have a chance. AI and a few badly-placed cheap cameras just aren't up to the high intelligence needed for city driving.
Nobody discusses, that the system is not only clueless at some scenarios, but I get also more and more the feeling, that at real though situations it is also much too slow. The processor of Tesla is mindblowing fast, but in a real difficult city like New York where humans make quick decisions because they know on what you have to focus really, the car processor is there too slow with it's calculations and decisions... FSD focusses always on everything, what makes the processing too slow for such a crazy wild traffic. The FSD software is not flexibel enough to know what is important and what is not, because therefor you needed to realy understand what the things mean in your surrounding, but a computer doesn't understand the world, just sees geometries, shapes and motion and knows just a couple of definitions of the things.
Trying to run over a tipped over cone: Elon!!! That's a no go at the end of 2022!
STILL cannot drive me home from the freeway, 2 miles of very simple drive on very well marked lanes in the suburb... ugggh!
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I think it will be a while before "hands-free" is actually a thing for Autopilot/FSD even on highway due to safety reasons. Competitors have "handsfree" but their safety/confidence aren't reliable as Autopilot/FSD, so I wouldn't put much credence to their "handfree" mode.
Thanks ,,
and i thought the Melbourne CBD was congested, still the drivers seem about the same . Much appreciated T.
Don't forget Atlanta. The '96 Olympics decisions still destroying traffic
repeat this in a snow storm in a few months. gunna be fun! On a side note this drive reminds me of how much I hate NY traffic. I once sat on the GWB for THREE hours in the middle of the day for no reason. No accident, no broken down car, nothing! Just tons and tons of aggressive idiots. Share this with Dirty Tesla, his MI traffic is a cake walk compared to the North East.
As much as I would like to see the beta be able to drive through NY city, the driving environment there is just too much for it in its current state. It will get there one day.
The ultimate challenge, damn straight hehe. Thanks for the upload!
It looks like most of the time your on the normal highway auto pilot not FSD Beta.
Nice Video nice voice! I Still doesn't get FSD Beta software, what the trick? my safety score is 99% Tesla still roll out FSD Beta software ?
They've largely paused the rollout to new cars and are expanding the rollout to cars already in the queue. It's sort of like first come first serve it seems and there's a really long line sadly
I would laugh hysterically if William Daniels the voice of KITT on Knight Rider came though the car speakers and said can I take you to the nearest Starbucks lol
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I’m in Brooklyn and struggle to get a good safety score. I keep getting forward collision warnings for pedestrians who stand in the street while waiting to cross. I don’t think it’s optimized for this environment. But at the same time you want it to be extra cautious and not hit pedestrians so I’m not sure how they square that.
No chance getting a high safety score in NY or the boroughs. But also Safety score is not material to FSD just what Tesla is using to gate it sadly
Yea I've been saying this. I live in bk with a plaid. And I can't get about 94 to save my life.
Tesla won't square that. NYC is far too difficult for the current hardware and AI. At the current rate of development, they won't conquer NYC driving in twenty years. FSD Beta probably needs some kind of intervention on average every minute in NYC, based on videos from the other channels that drive there. A good NYC taxi driver can go a lifetime without an unacceptable move.
I tested a Tesla last year as a rental car it had full self driving, my impression was that full self-driving in the Boston area is going to be at least 10 years away. And the two days I had it in the limited amount of time I could USE autopilot it tried to kill me twice.
Needs work in the north east for sure
Great comments! You're definitely helping mankind. God speed in Jesus Christ.
What the fuck does Jesus have to do with FSD?
For robotaxi to succeed I don't see why something like your commute isn't given higher priority than the chuck style left turn. Unless the team is trying to address this, but it's a series of much more difficult problems.
Agreed but this is way more challenging so I can see why they would choose something less complex
All autonomy companies except Tesla are doing exactly what you are saying: prioritize urban driving. They know that conquering city driving is the only way to conquer driving in general. And for the robotaxi business, cities are the only places to make real money.
There won't be a valuable licensed robocar in the USA that can't get a license in a major city. City driving has all the difficulties that a good robocar needs to master, even for suburban driving. The same problems pop up in less dense areas as cities, just not as often.
These are the tests I love to see. Thanks Brother.
Thank you
This system is a total fail. Hits curbs, runs over pile ons…. Unless the system was locked on the the vehicle infront of it, it’s totally useless
I wouldn't say it's a fail or its useless. I think it's as I said it works really well and is very useful in the right environments, congested city centers like NYC are just not the right environments for the system at this point.
I used to drive across from jersey city to Yonkers. Pretty horrendous.
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Im wondering how it would do in Chicago... My model s Plaid should be here in the next month
Probably similar to NYC be careful with the Plaid get used to the yoke before you venture into FSD
Oh this is gonna be hell for 69.2 lol!
Yep!
As an NYC resident with a Tesla. Let me tell you. Tesla would have to put a quantum computer in our cars to figure out what a taxi cab or pedestrian or MTA bus is going to do. My very complex brain can't even work that out sometimes.
💯 that's why they need to explore this as a priority
yeah. AI alone on the puny computers in FSD just aren't gonna be intelligent enough to stay safe over millions of miles in busy cities, especially NYC. Tesla is trying to solve the biggest possible problem in auto autonomy, L5 driving, using the least amount of hardware. Their plan to drive around and figure everything out on the fly is not gonna work in city driving. NYC shows they haven't even gotten to first base.
Even Waymo, with over 40 sensors, including 29 cameras and 360-degree lidar on the roof, detailed custom maps, and millions of miles of professional training over years on specific city streets, knows they can't solve NYC in the short term. It's the ultimate challenge in the USA.
These are the kinds of streets I seldom drive, but always think "there's no way FSD can handle this." And yep, pretty far from ready for prime time.
I know suburban drivers who can go for ages without a disengagement, but the chaos of a serious city is a whole other challenge.
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FSD need NY taxi aggression personality to survive in this City
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27:35 that is terrible behavior jesus
FSD is a pipe dream.. I hate to say it.. as much as I wish FSD will succeed, there are just too many scenarios and road irregularities for cars to fully drive autonomously. Maybe in a decade or so.. maybe..
@ 13:45, the comment concerning "we are not driving a model 3 or model y". Bad look for you. A little bit Tesla snobbish going on? Yes you went on to say that it was a personal decision. I understand your concern but I think your point could have been made without throwing shade at the majority of Tesla owners. Not a sermon, just a thought.
I'll clarify for you like I did for another 3 owner. I say that in a few videos and it's not to be condescending but to highlight the risk in taking a low volume car like the S/X into this situation and the long wait times for parts for low volume cars as opposed to the shorter wait times for high volume cars like 3/Y. Owners that have owned multiple Teslas or have been owners for longer understand that distinction as they know that risk. This is why you see a lot of owners testing FSD in 3/Y instead of S/X they have higher risk tolerance where as S/X owners have lower tolerance based on wait time of parts majority.
@@BlackTesla thanks for your comment. I must admit I missed your prior statement concerning “low volume S/X”. Your explanation, which is appreciated, gives me a better understanding of your comment. Thanks for the videos. Keep up the good work
No it's my fault I should've explained in the video for those that don't know will do in a future video, thanks for the honesty
That’s a very good tip on taking over FSD…
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it's not that ready 🙂
Thank you
28:22 spot on advice. Thanks!
You're welcome glad to help
Fsd beta since 2016! You must have been before Elon lol
Nice stuff!! Thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching
Great perspective from another place, thanks for the video; great job, awesome car. I see why people take the train! OMG. Totally different world here in the OC. It works really well here in Orange County, CA. We have wide streets with many lanes, very safe, very easy. More bike lanes than street parking, few vulnerable road users. Can drive an hour with 1-4 disengagements. Doesn't do well on left turns when there are multiple left turn lanes; I always tend to disengage on those. No more fantom breaking since switching to Tesla Vision. Used to be really bad with radar. Overall, it's amazingly fantastic. The Navigation data and route decision-making seems to be the same for FSD Beta vs non-beta
Nice! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
I’ve been in beta since October last year and this has been the worst update I have experienced so far. 1 step forward and 2 steps back in my area.
Where are you?
@@BlackTesla I am in ATL. Per Elon Musk, there is a patch coming in a few days.
Yes & No option should be available as left/right scroll wheel button
You're doing the job to advance FSD, so with your involvement in gathering data, we don't have to use predefined maps, which is BS. I want this car to think and adjust to its environment AI. Soon, we'll be celebrating TESLA's AMAZING defeat.
FSD will not conquer urban driving without HD autonomy maps. You'll see!!!!
First 3.5 minutes of commentary...oh so true! Holland Tunnel built 1920-1927, Lincoln Tunnel built 1934-1937. The Holland Tunnel is essentially one hundred years old! NY-NJ badly needs at least one more modern tunnel for vehicular traffic + one rail tunnel for AMTRAK, NE Corridor trains. The old PRR tunnel was built 1904-1908 and still is THE rail tunnel joining NY-NJ!
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Excellent real-world documentation and a preview of what to expect even in San Francisco.
New proposal: a few days ago you proposed the “school bus standard for comfort of the user. Consider adding the “grandfather standard” of comfort i.e. would grandpa feel comfortable having FSD drive him to a store or to a nearby city to visit with friends/family.
That’s what I had in mind when I bought FSD 5 years ago.
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FSD beta not a fan of Times Square.
Apparently not
Bro take wsh or the fdr good look regardless.
Will try to get to both next time
28:28 - Also, if you just grab the wheel, that only stops auto steer, the car is still in charge of acceleration and braking. You can also disengage everything by hitting the right scroll wheel.
Good voice; always good videos.
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Wow! You have nerves of steel
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You say they should test on manhattan first and then it will all work out, it doesn't quite work that way :) but I believe you are in a real sense right anyway. Tesla AP started out trying to handle slight curves on simple country roads and that's just not the way to approach it. So starting with something as messy as the worst of manhattan can show you what you need to handle for it to work and then wont be lured into simpler solutions that wont last to the end. What's needed is a general driver and only a mindset able to tackle that should be in charge.
Thanks for the comment. Allow me to retort, it's exactly like that 😆 solving complex problems involves solving smaller ones in the process. If the goal is to get around country roads they've succeeded and the car can do that well. If the goal was to conquer a complex city environment then they solve the country road, busy city, construction, and many other use cases. Also, AP was not started trying to handle country roads it started with the aspiration to handle highway driving on-ramp to off-ramp and all the complexities required for that. I know this because I was one of the lucky few to test the first builds of Autopilot outside of employees. The ambition quickly grew beyond that which became the basis for why mobileye was both selected snd why their relationship deteriorated. But I digress, I hear what you're saying
I agree Dan, they have to conquer city driving to have anything of value. FSD won't get any valuable license in an empty rural area. If some place in North Dakota does give them a license, it won't be valuable enough to matter.
If they can't conquer even a mid-size city, they can't conquer driving. All the problems that occur in cities also can pop up in suburbs and small towns, but not as often.
And if Tesla is serious about having an L5 robocar that can really go anywhere, they obviously need to conquer the hardest city driving before they can get a license.
Too many assets crushed AP computer. It happened to another New York tester as well on this version.
Yep
When the cone issue was happening, it looked like it was on the highway stack and not FSD beta, probably explains the issues
Exactly
I thought it was $15,000
Yep 15k but 18k isn't going to far off
@@BlackTesla I totally agree. I got into the beta in July and I must say, 10.69.2 is blowing my mind.
Thank you for risking your Tesla driving in such hectic traffic conditions. Much appreciated
Thanks for sympathizing
Love these New York Drive and how FSD Beta manages in these intense scenarios
YOU CAN BIKE ACROSS TOWN IN NO TIME.
they should rename it to suburb or midwest FSD
Exactly, that's what FSD seems almost good on, empty suburbs and rural roads with nice painted lines and protected intersections. Even there, FSD isn't close. In busy cities, it's just not gonna work.
Excellent. Thank you!
Wasn't feeling that drive at all alot of work needed.
Yes needs serious work just hoping they will focus on it
Thanks man. You know I been waiting for this.
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My Model 3 isn't expendable 😕. I don't take some extra risk because it cost less than a plaid. Pretty rude to insinuate because your not in a model 3 or Y you can't risk certain things.
Don't be offended that's not the intention. What I meant is that parts are harder to come by so the wait is significantly longer than a 3/Y which are produced exponentially more than the S/X.
@@BlackTesla that's not a real justification in my opinion. May be true about the possible repair time but it doesn't mean it's ok for people driving a model 3 or Y to have a higher risk tolerance.
@@BlackTesla Please don't misunderstand. I'm not upset. it just feels like that's an unnecessary comment to make. Looking forward to the other test drives.
How many Teslas have you had?
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15:50 is that fsd or autopilot?
AP code
I have a Model X 2017 which has challenges in navigating within Princeton, NJ area (local roads). I'm not sure how all those youtubers are getting such a smooth (in my view) drive around. I do agree there is some improvement in Left turns but why right turns has so much jerky turns which I don't get it.
accelerates too fast to catch up posted speed or applies break too hard coming to stop sign or signal lights. This happens due to it doesn't slow down coming to those stop situations.