Nice. One of the mental pictures I carry with me from 20 years and change in the Coast Guard is sitting in the jump seat of an HH-3F out of San Diego, going to look at an oil slick or something. Just sitting there suspended in space with this whirly thing going on overhead. . . Didn’t seem natural. Wings of some kind would be comforting. Got used to it. Our polar icebreaker aviation detachment (a couple years later) was dominated by ex-Army pilots. They had all survived at least one tour in Vietnam, and those gentleman could fly a helicopter. Single-engine HH-65s, and they could approach the flight deck like it was on rails.
UPDATE : Had a HotStart with my Bell 429 yesterday No2 to engine. Unfortunately both FADECS failed ?! to shut it down . Well I guess Bell is responsible for all repair costs to my CTVR
Its much improved over MSFS2020 but there are some big issues, for example if you try to land on some type of object with edges once you get over it you take off like a rocket and as you noticed the ground effects are abit crazy but the feeling otherwise is 10 times better than in the previous sim, the helicopter atleast do what you expect smoothly because they now have proper support for helicopters in the physics engine, it will probably need months or maybe a year plus to mature but I'm much more hopeful now than I ever was before. I do wonder if they model the stability systems in some of these airframes because that makes a big difference, heck, I did not even know the Robinsons had any such systems until recently. Carenado did this R66, not known for their deep simulations tbh, they make pretty planes and stuff but its not PMDG or Milviz / Blackbird... latter changed their name... for their civ work.
I tried it for the first time now, feels a lot better than in FS2020, much more like DCS. Ground effect seems too high indeed (but who am I to judge? 🙃). Despite using a helicopter with wheels I wasnt able to roll fwd/back with the cyclic, thats weird, I didnt manage to turn off brakes, but maybe thats just me not knowing the settings(I have set up a switch for that though)
I’ve been playing this for about two weeks. I’ve done quite a bit on the plane side of the training. I tried the first helicopter training and couldn’t get through it. It was super glitchy. They still have some work to do. I’m hoping for an update. Thanks for the video!
2024 is a big upgrade on helicopters, its a massive improvement, still issues there but they fly so much smoother and feels way more proper than they ever did in 2020
really have to check all of your control settings in msfs 2024, i found a lot of the default settings seemed to have some things tied to 2 or more different things. like my collective was also controlling fuel mixture, pedals inverted, rudder ultra sensitive but turning sensitization down made it worse so i had to turn it way to the + and it smoothed out lol. who would have thought?
More relevant comment. . . My main issue with MSFS 2024 is the default control binding conflicts. I am starting to pick up speed a bit, but every time I try a new aircraft it takes me about an hour to sort out the conflicts. On the helicopter (forget which one) it was the collective. Wouldn’t move in response to the throttle block I set, then jumped randomly to full. Just need to put the time into resolving conflicts.
Do you still think DCS is the best sim for helicopters overall? I have a lot of hours in DCS helicopters which allowed me to fly a UH-1H in real life through a family friend. I'm gonna get the chance to fly an R-22 here soon and I'm curious what you think the best sim/heli combo is best to train with.
The Bell 407 acts okay in FS2020 but i 2024 it becomes uncontrollable after a 20 or 30 minute flight and starting to set up for landing. It spins like the tail rotor gear box fell off. Try that one.
Is FS2024 so crappy that they can't even put a Bell429 which I own. SO TIRED Of ROBINSON. I LOVE THE BLADE SLAP BTW VERY REALISTIC 👍Would like to know if you can do Mastbumping on FS2024
tbh for me personally, if i want a flight sim for a realistic physics.. i would choose X-Plane, but in term of graphics its bad, i hope they improve fs24 because its legit looks the same as fs20
I don't fly in real life, but squirrely is the only way I can describe flying the helicopters in FS2024. It just feels so jerky and out of control, like there's no weight behind anything
Ah, msfs. Famous for its terrain which is pretty if it ever loads in, it's buildings which are incorrect and ugly, even if they load in, and its flight model, which is so bad for most modules that you wonder if the devs have ever been near an aircraft.
WTF? You replacing me with AI? BTW I have access to a R66
The position was recast 😂
Merry Christmas Lester!
Lester is irreplaceable for the real deal. Lol
💀💀💀 LMAO
Love it! - The Lester Instructor mod will be available on the market place soon with various random (joker equal) chat phrases no doubt!
it'll be his brother Moe Lester
So happy you got this installed on your PC and it was one of those "magic" fixes that didn't require anything from you. Looking forward to part2.
MERRY CHRISTMAS Mover & Luna, thanks for posting this!
Nice. One of the mental pictures I carry with me from 20 years and change in the Coast Guard is sitting in the jump seat of an HH-3F out of San Diego, going to look at an oil slick or something. Just sitting there suspended in space with this whirly thing going on overhead. . . Didn’t seem natural. Wings of some kind would be comforting.
Got used to it. Our polar icebreaker aviation detachment (a couple years later) was dominated by ex-Army pilots. They had all survived at least one tour in Vietnam, and those gentleman could fly a helicopter. Single-engine HH-65s, and they could approach the flight deck like it was on rails.
heck yea! R66 is a fun little ship, rough to sling out of though
Merry Christmas, Mover and Luna! 🎄Soon Luna will be in the left seat of her own Lunawolf chopper.
Thanks for this Mover. Looking forward to the other parts. It looks nice
LOL.... he does NOT look like Lester! Not bad dude.
Isn’t it funny that we went from Sears tower and Meigs airport to that building ain’t right. Haha😂
UPDATE : Had a HotStart with my Bell 429 yesterday No2 to engine. Unfortunately both FADECS failed ?! to shut it down . Well I guess Bell is responsible for all repair costs to my CTVR
Nice job on the hover, especially with a simulator!
Great video and I'm looking forward to following your explorations of the new sim in 2025!
Merry Christmas 🎄🎁🎉✝️
That shadow had its own show...
Did the real Lester mention access to a real R-66? When can we expect that video sir?
Its much improved over MSFS2020 but there are some big issues, for example if you try to land on some type of object with edges once you get over it you take off like a rocket and as you noticed the ground effects are abit crazy but the feeling otherwise is 10 times better than in the previous sim, the helicopter atleast do what you expect smoothly because they now have proper support for helicopters in the physics engine, it will probably need months or maybe a year plus to mature but I'm much more hopeful now than I ever was before.
I do wonder if they model the stability systems in some of these airframes because that makes a big difference, heck, I did not even know the Robinsons had any such systems until recently.
Carenado did this R66, not known for their deep simulations tbh, they make pretty planes and stuff but its not PMDG or Milviz / Blackbird... latter changed their name... for their civ work.
I tried it for the first time now, feels a lot better than in FS2020, much more like DCS. Ground effect seems too high indeed (but who am I to judge? 🙃). Despite using a helicopter with wheels I wasnt able to roll fwd/back with the cyclic, thats weird, I didnt manage to turn off brakes, but maybe thats just me not knowing the settings(I have set up a switch for that though)
Merry Christmas mover and gonky
When are they going to model Lester?
Did you find you had to deaden you flight controls a lot to get a more realistic feel?
But are you using a T-bar? Great vid can't wait for part 2&3.
I’ve been playing this for about two weeks. I’ve done quite a bit on the plane side of the training. I tried the first helicopter training and couldn’t get through it. It was super glitchy. They still have some work to do. I’m hoping for an update. Thanks for the video!
There’s a reason I didn’t use MSFS2024 to make my helicopter flying instruction videos.
Also, try to autorotate that R66. Prepare for massive torque 😂
They need to add that exact brownout/downwash effect to DCS, unbelievable realism, visually at least
I bought a LOT of choppers... Chinook being the most stable and enjoyable for me, twin rotor is smooth! (ms2020)
2024 is a big upgrade on helicopters, its a massive improvement, still issues there but they fly so much smoother and feels way more proper than they ever did in 2020
Man you're lucky you know how to fly a helo anyway, game is all over the place for me and I have no idea what's right and what's not!
The R66 is my favorite helicopter in the sim.
@mover, how did you get around mapping the throttle? For me it's Inc/decr by itself up and down as I move the collective.
really have to check all of your control settings in msfs 2024, i found a lot of the default settings seemed to have some things tied to 2 or more different things. like my collective was also controlling fuel mixture, pedals inverted, rudder ultra sensitive but turning sensitization down made it worse so i had to turn it way to the + and it smoothed out lol. who would have thought?
how ?
@adkadk407 just go to control settings and check each button by scanning the inputs. If there are multiple things on one button it will show them all.
You gotta try the gyrocopter. Its super funny to fly around in and much easier than the helis lol.
Can you turn off the icons on "places of interest" etc or whatever those are in the distance? That would annoy the crap outta me.
And you answered my Q 5 seconds later LOL
@@dogsbd there is a keybind for it so it can be toggled easily
@@NickyNiclas Thanks. I find it odd that (so far) every video I have seen of 2024 everyone has icons turned on.
@@dogsbd Yeah, probably because it's on by default and maybe it doesn't bother them haha
More relevant comment. . . My main issue with MSFS 2024 is the default control binding conflicts. I am starting to pick up speed a bit, but every time I try a new aircraft it takes me about an hour to sort out the conflicts.
On the helicopter (forget which one) it was the collective. Wouldn’t move in response to the throttle block I set, then jumped randomly to full. Just need to put the time into resolving conflicts.
Do you still think DCS is the best sim for helicopters overall? I have a lot of hours in DCS helicopters which allowed me to fly a UH-1H in real life through a family friend. I'm gonna get the chance to fly an R-22 here soon and I'm curious what you think the best sim/heli combo is best to train with.
Crank the fortunate son
How do you compare physics to DCS?
DCS feels better
7:07 I would be concerned if the half of the helicopter are missing in the shadow ;D
2:45 That string on the windscreen tells me it is NOT set to no wind. There is a significant amount of air pushing down on that string.
The Bell 407 acts okay in FS2020 but i 2024 it becomes uncontrollable after a 20 or 30 minute flight and starting to set up for landing. It spins like the tail rotor gear box fell off. Try that one.
Happy Xmas 😎👍
Is FS2024 so crappy that they can't even put a Bell429 which I own. SO TIRED Of ROBINSON. I LOVE THE BLADE SLAP BTW VERY REALISTIC 👍Would like to know if you can do Mastbumping on FS2024
tbh for me personally, if i want a flight sim for a realistic physics.. i would choose X-Plane, but in term of graphics its bad, i hope they improve fs24 because its legit looks the same as fs20
I don't fly in real life, but squirrely is the only way I can describe flying the helicopters in FS2024. It just feels so jerky and out of control, like there's no weight behind anything
Still seems too stable. Sims have such a hard time replicating the oscillation effect. That constant ball balance feel.
Algorithmic engagement comment.
Ah, msfs. Famous for its terrain which is pretty if it ever loads in, it's buildings which are incorrect and ugly, even if they load in, and its flight model, which is so bad for most modules that you wonder if the devs have ever been near an aircraft.