@@N-Qrse yeah, The Sims 3 is like middle ground between Sims 2 and 4, and this is actually how that joke popped in my head, overthinking might have ruined it (I'm sorry, I know my English is terrible)
As someone who uses cc to make my sims look like anime characters I like the anime logic part and will only change hair to fit the right texture as one of the parents, so that say I have two non black sims have a baby and that baby end up with locs as their natural texture when it doesn't actually even naturally occur. Besides that I let anime logic do it's things with my anime looking sims
In my sims 3 game: Agnes (blonde) and my sim Thomas (Black hair) had twin girls.... one girl had black hair and looks identical to Agnes. The other one is tanned like Thomas, looks identical to Agnes, and has CARROT RED HAIR.
@@katherinedevaughn5242 I have never played Sims 4 yet. And from what I have heard and seen about that game I don't really think I will ever play it. Sims 2 is the best imo.
@@desertrose1226 yeah I really loved Sims 3. But the problem is I have a potato and the game runs even worse in my pc than other people's. I really love the open world in it.
I think the reason for genetics being so simple, atleast in the sims 3, is because we have a colorwheel, there are millions of different shades, so it becomes difficult to apply realistic genetics
They could have set RBG ranges for a natural hair colour to be inheritable (natural hair colour equivalents in TS2) and all other values would be hair dyes (hair dyes equivalents in TS2).
@@al3220 I think the most feasible way to do it would be to have base hair and eye colors on a slider system and set ranges of each slider as dominant and recessive as they did with skin tones, but to be honest I think that would be clunky and limit player options.
@@al3220 ultimately a lot of the simplifications the Sims team has made over the years can be summed up with “we didn’t think about doing it like that”
Especially with the dyed hair. It would be hard to tell if this bluey black is genetic or dyed. Some people have white hair. At what point on the colour wheel is it classified as dyed?
An important thing to add is that in sims 2 after plastic surgery the kid will inherit the original face of the parent! That's why I love sims 2 genetics. The appearance of the sim is sth different from the genes.
@@MissSeraphine U can do plastic surgery with a Career reward from Show business (It comes with Univerity expansion if I remember correctly). What's funny it's that it's not always successful and u can get some funny results ;)
I love that too!! But I never used plastic surgery because I know that the kid won't get the nice face. I would rather remember what the parent's face looks like before I decide if i want him/her to have a kid or not xD
I can defend Sims 3's choices re: simplified genetics because coding in dominant and recessive genes for hair and eyes when you're using a color wheel system seems pretty painful. I do wish they had set it so Sims have a base natural hair color that is the only one they pass on, though, regardless of how they change their hair later. I once had a Sim change her brown hair to bright pink as a young adult, but then I forgot to switch it back to her natural color when she had a kid, and whoops, her toddler had bright pink hair! I can't defend Sims 4 not bringing hair/eye genetics back when they brought back the swatch system, though.
Yeah, I think it'd be difficult to make the colour wheel work with genetics while making sure that kids are born with natural hair colours. I guess a workaround could have been to base the genetic code on the root colour, or to have a separate "natural colour" setting for the sake of genetics. It's a shame that you have to change the hair colour when having a kid though, but I guess the Sims decided they'd ditch the hair dye that retroactively rewrites your genetic code somewhere between Sims 3 and Sims 2.
Agree. Sims 3 is great. It has many many great concepts, systems and ideas. However, they are not executed to their full potential. And the game has lots of issues. So Sims team could take Sims 3 concepts, work with them, solve technical problems and create new next Sims iteration. One can dream, right?
Problem with making a genetics systems of any kind in any game is that if you really want to make it realistic, there are far too many genes that go into determining what your hair and eye color will be. People always say if you have a particular gene your hair will be X color, or if you have this gene it will be Y color (no pun intended). I think the Sims 2 did it best with it's Punnett Square Methodology, but you can't just ham fist Dominant/Recessive. Each trait should have a certain probability associated to it, so that if the gene gets passed down, and down, and down the line, you'll see the reemergence of things like red hair, blonde hair, blue eyes, green eyes etc. Plus as frustrating as it may be sometimes, the random genetic mutation thing IS a reality, although I do agree with Cindy that it should a lower probability. Mutations in nature that actually cause Natural Selection and don't immediately kill the offspring tend to happen soo infrequently that thousands of generations could go by before seeing any noticeable difference. These changes are mind boggilingly imperceptible.
the worst part about sims 4 genetics for me is the way the faces are generated. they always seem to get either a HUGE jaw/chin or absolutely nothing at all, despite the parents looking nothing like it, i always had to fix this in my games lol
It's also annoying, to me at least, when two very good looking sims have a child that...well, it's not like their parents, in that sense lol and, of course, chin disappearing
I solved why this happens. Basically it has to do with how people make them look. Looks in the game don't always translate well, mostly with female sims. The no chin being the result of giving a female a small chin and giving a male a short wide chin.
If you give a sim in the sims 3 a natural colour for their hair roots, but an unatural colour for their hair highlights tip and base the child will inherit only the natural base colour. I think this was what was intended for the genetics in the game.
WHAAAAT?!?! HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS?!? That's actually amazing! Makes sense since eyebrows and facial hair will automatically match the root color, like that's your real hair color
When I play Sims 2, I consciously make sure that any sims that get together don't have the same genetics. I usually start off a legacy with a recessive-traited sim, and any offspring also gets together with a sim with recessive traits. Then, at least, there's some variety in the gene pool.
They will only have all black hair if you never made blonde and red heads in the firat few generations and made them mix. By gen 5 in the sims 2 most of my sims have all sorts of hair and eye colours.
Sims 2 Genetics are my FAVORITE and the most realistic. I don't even mod it to give it equal genetics because I love it just the way it is. Oldest game but most advanced genetics. It's amazing.
It's really crazy that The Sims 2 has the most advanced genetics. It's like that in many aspects of this game, too. I wish it were the opposite and newer games got better instead of "simpler."
I really like the sims 2 recessive and dominant traits, sims 3 is also a fav of mine because I like how I'm sometimes surprised with what hair or eye color my baby is born with especially if there's a lot of the same colors going on. It helps break up the genetics and add different colors haha! I do think that the reason there isn't a super complex genetics system in the sims 3 is because there is create a color. With the player's ability to give their sim neon green hair and bright purple eyes, it'd be kind of hard to say what colors are recessive and what are dominant. Sims 4 is just a disappointment.
I do like the random mutation chance in The Sims 3, my only issue with it is that one of the colors it sometimes gives you is that really nasty almost greenish brown hair! If it just switched that for a nicer color, we'd be golden! Btw I haven't played a HUGE amount with this, as I rarely have kids in any Sims game so I haven't observed the mutations a lot, but it seems like there aren't a lot of mutation options? I pretty much only remember seeing a mutated blond or the aforementioned swampy brown
@@KreeZafi I know exactly what color you're talking about and I hate that one! I always change the hair color of my toddlers who get it. I think the options for different mutated hair and eye colors go up the more you have saved colors for both. So like I've gotten a mutation where I had a sim who was born with the dad's hair but red eyes and neither of the parents had that eye color. Ive also gotten some kids who's parents have blonde and light brown hair but they end up with black hair through mutations. I think the percentage for it or the options for it goes up the more saved colors you have, otherwise it mostly is just hair and its that poopy green, weird blonde and sometimes black.
Yes! For instance, my whole 7 generations had brown hair and brown eyes. Except for one grandfather. I had the next two gens have normal hair and eyes except one random son was born with the grandfathers black hair and bright blue eyes! It was very cool.
@@LeFroge7 generations?! Wow, I applaud you. I could never make it that far. Do you just have your 7 generations of sims live in one town or you move them around?
I actually don’t mind the unnatural hair colour being passed down generations as I like playing with supernaturals. Like elves and fairies for example, it would be weird of the mum and dad had blue and green hair and the child is born with brown 😅
I agree with you a lot. I always thought it was cool because The Sims is supposed to simulate real life.. but it's not exactly the same. I like to think in the alternate universe of the sims purple and orange hair is inherited, a natural occurrence!
Since I make all my sims look like anime characters I prefer to have the hair and eyes do their own little unnatural thing. Since I use cc to make sure they have weird lil eye colors when they're a super natural, but I'll go in and change it if it's a non supernatural sim with weird lil eyes.
BIG SAME!! I love having unnatural hair colors, ESPECIALLY for fairies. I also sometimes give my sims unnatural hair colors just to keep track of their bloodline if I breed them a lot :P
@@KreeZafi my natural hair color is stark black, like so black it doesn't even turn brown in the sunlight but I plan to dye my hair grey until the day I go fully grey and wish it was my natural hair color. So itd actually be super cool if in the game it was something that would "naturally," occur in children in the day.
I just wish they made it based on roots and not all of the hair color. It makes sense to pass on only the root hair and have the base, tips, and highlights just be the same as the root hair unless changes.
i actually like the sims 3 genetics because it can create very unique sims. i very often use this feature to create unique sims that i would have never been able to create myself
I think sims 2 did it best tbh since dyeing your hair in sims 3/4 makes the dyed hair GENETIC and that’s not realistic and in sims 2 you can have Recessive genes to and I love it plus you can get that genetics mod and it makes it even better! Nice video Cindy!
I used to looooove that in Sims 2, when you dyed your hair, it didn't matter if you dyed it a natural color (like from brown to blonde or red or black) or an unnatural color, the game STILL tracked the original color and you could see it in the sims hair roots. So if I dyed my sims blonde hair black because she wanted to be the goth kid of the family, her baby would still receive the genetics for blonde hair!
@@binimbap not completely, I had a sims 3 sim with purple ends of her hair. Her kids came out normal (she had 10 kids) but half of every grand kid she had got purple ends (she had like 30 grandkids). Sometimes the sims 3 was whack
There is a "random genetics" mod for sims 3, that actually gives child a mixture of parents' sliders. It randomly chooses more dominant features of one of the parents. For example when u have a child notification will pop up saying " nose features of parent 1 - 83%, mouth - 46% etc." I highly recommend trying out this mod. The creator is NeuroBlazer
I think I will finally have to give this a try, so far I've been too scared because the example on the mod page seemed a bit extreme for my taste. Together with Consort's haircolor mod that should cover most of the game's genetics!
@@NoaNoName I think the examples in the preview were extreme because it was supposed to be a showcase of how it works, and that's easier to do with very obvious and dramatic features - just like in this video with the giant nose versus the tiny nose. I've tested it in my game the results are very subtle assuming that you don't have a family all with mad features.
Back then, when I played TS3, I had a family of fairies. And for my biggest surprise, when my sims (the second generation) had triplets, one of the triplets looked alike like his grandfather. He inherited his hair color, wing type and wing color. It was so cool, I miss it so much :)
Me - studying genetics and microbiology - is dying while listening to the spin Sims gave genetic in their game. Homozygous with a rezessive and a dominant allele... Nooo haha 😂
I think they had to simplify things as much as possible while still keeping it relatively realistic. I think they did a pretty good job considering the technology. 😆
Oh boy if i could show how ugly they turn out in my game and rarely they look similar to their parents. The have very thin hands and legs very puffed chest like the rip cage is going out for the night. Also the hands are larger down and a one inch hip. They also are either very obese or thin
I’m so glad you can edit them to at least look human (I brought up in a big simmers stream chat, how weird the sims bodies looks in the game, and got shit on by the streamer, she said I was body shaming and went on a rant against me, she got the whole chat shitting at me too, I had pms and started crying, I’ve been body shamed a big part of my life and I would never ever do that to someone..this was characters in a game, so I left lol), I always edit their bodies and make some small differences in the face, not to make them look the same or fit some beauty standard, just not totally unreal. I stand by why what I said, ea makes weird bodies!
In sims 3 i had a family that started off with a guy with jet black hair and a woman with orange hair. All their kids had the dads colour and so did their grandkids but i was so pleasantly surprised to see one of their great grandkids came out with bright orange hair like his great grandma. It was really cool how some traits reappear like that.
3:10 there still should be ~25% blonde/blue Sims, because of Mendel's rules. A recessive, B dominant, in brackets what it looks like 1st gen: AA(A) | BB(B) 2nd gen: AB(B) | BA(B) 3rd gen: AA(A) | AB(B) | BA(B) | BB(B) (ratio stays then the same, because there are equal amounts of A's and B's in the gene pool)
Good correction. Dominant and recessive genes are equally likely to stay in the gene pool (genotype); the recessive genes just get physically expressed less often (phenotype) once the gene pool has gotten mixed up. True in real life and in TS2!
Maybe it's just me, but it just feels like sims 4 genetics tend to favor the lighter skintones. Having biracial babies that look like an even mix between both parents tends to only happen in my game with custom skintones installed. But I feel like having custom eye colors installed completely breaks the genetics on eye color as my sim randomly had twins with purple eyes when she had hazel eyes and her baby daddy had dark brown eyes 😕
Do you tend to have multiple biracial children ? I know on 3 it is a toss up. My current generation of mixed Sims all came out super fair, but in a previous family one was fair, the other 2 were brown skinned.
Thanks for watching everyone! Couple notes: - Homozygous means they have two dominant or two recessive genes (not one of each). I misspoke. But the result is the same in the game. They have two genes for the hair color and eye color in CAS. - In Sims 4, children cannot have unnatural hair colors and that's why they get a random color. They will get the unnatural color upon aging to teen.
A good thing to compare, sims 2 really allows features to pass on in a semi real way. I remember the Sims 3 phenomena when your kid randomly gets a blondish green hair. And it happened sooo often. I also recall when a couple that both had black hair produced a platinum blonde daughter. Wild
yeahhh also they have skin tones that are fantasy that are also geneticized but with values on a different scale so you can have your weird faerie sims not pop out of "human" sims at random.
In sims 3 I had a kid who was 4th generation and inharited the hair color of my 1st generation sim. None of the previous kids that color so I thought that was pretty cool. :)
I love how this game came out in 2004 and it’s still relevant. TS4 will never be this popular and I feel like nobody will talk about it in a few years.
Just one more thing, as someone who plays sims 3 a lot, the body size of a sim gets passed down to their off spring. Same thing for sims 4 I think. So for example a big sim and a skinny sim can get an off spring who is either big or skinny or somewhere in between.
I don't think that's how it works in Sims 4, or at least not always. (I've read in the bug reports that some people have a glitch where ALL their daughters get maxed body fat when aging up to child regardless of their parents' fitness & fatness status and also regardless of what they eat .. I have this issue in some of my saves, but not globally, so not sure about this "feature")
Mostly not in the sims 4. Now I don’t get any babies in the dims 4. For some reason, my parent sims have never fat in their life, but one baby grew up as skinny, but the other 2 grew up as full fat teens. Even my parent sims were the 1sg generation. There’s no way to have the full fat body teen kids.
I love that you can use actual scientific terms when referring to the Sims 2 genetics. But every other game is so over-simplified that it's not necessary. When I was a biology major in college I LOVED learning about genetics and I think this is one of the reasons I love Sims 2 so much more than the other games.
sims 4: when you play with unnatural hair colors the baby/toddler/child will have a randomized hair color, then age up into the "correct" one once they age up to teen btw.
Frankly, I love that the unnatural hair colors can be inherited in Sims 3. There's nothing quite as good as doing a multigenerational playthrough, and seeing a sim with the unnatural hair you selected at the start and knowing that your sim is related to that sim in some way without any other indications. It's great!
One other thing to notice about The Sims 2 genetics is that you can't change them once you've created your Sims in CAS (unless you change them through SimPE). Basically if you've created a Sim in CAS that's blonde and then you go on and change their appearance through a mirror, the game doesn't update your Sims genes accordingly and so it's like you just made them dye their hair. Some premade Sims display this behavior, like Kaylyn Langerak who appears to have black hair, but is actually a blonde. This is also true for Face Lifts : doesn't matter if you completely changed your Sims face with the career reward, your Sim still caries their original DNA and they will pass that on to their offspring. Also, in defense of The Sims 2 not blending facial features between parents, I actually think it's not a problem because I know that one of the problems with Sims 3 offsprings is that they will eventually always end up with a very generic face throughout generations since the game blends them, the values for the sliders will get closer to the default positions each generation. It wouldn't surprise me if Maxis had thought about that whenever they were making TS2 and didn't make the game blend facial features on purpose so that wouldn't happend!
Lmao yes sims2 graphic is overrated I hated that they all had same faces in ts2. I hate ts4 graphic for being too simple and cartoony but sims 3 is like best in that way
As someone who's never played TS2, I am yet again astonished by how much thought had gone into the game and disappointed again in TS4 and how little they care
i’ve been playing the sims 3 ever since it’s realise date.. how have i only just found out hidden traits are a thing! i learn something new about this game every day
the unnatural hair color thing in sims 3 is good because you are choosing the natural color, there is a salon in the game where you can dye your hair if you want unnatural colors. So basically you could be a natural blue with blonde dye
Also because when children reach their teenage years they're more likely to experiment with their hair, cut it different, get it dyed, etc etc. Realistically most dyes for hair aren't intended for the sensitive scalp of a child and so naturally the wacky color change wouldn't show up until their teens. On a side note, could you imagine children somehow inheriting tattoos? Now that would be some strange stuff.
Good you mentioned the homozygous thing! And with custom skintones it really depends on how the creator "coded" them. Sometimes they are geneticized, so they can blend with Maxis skins, which is pretty ridiculous as you can suddenly get a random custom skin that doesn't look anything like a blend between the parents (like blue skin out of human-like Sims xD). In The Sims 4 the unnatural color "comes back" once the child becomes a teenager because those colors are finally available for them then. But I hate this system too. Was it so hard to just give the unnatural colors to children, so that you know where the color comes from and you can change it back to natural? It would be cool if they inherited colored hair straight from CAS (supernatural characters and stuff), but the worst thing is that they inherited hair that the Sim dyed during gameplay... Sims 2 could never! The connected eye colors in TS4 make sense to some extent (like greens), but most of it is just annoying and confusing. But thank you for the info, I didn't know the exact connections of the colors and that it's because of a patch! Also, I'd like to note that TS4 is a bit more complicated when it comes to face features. This time Sims can actually inherit very detailed traits from different parents. Like, upper cheekbones and cheeks separately, or width and length of the nose. This is actually pretty cool, even if sometimes it seems like the child doesn't look anything like the parents :D And, sadly, that is the reason why after a few generations their chins seem to get "flat". It's just different face shapes and chins mixed up! And you forgot about body shapes! It's not as simple as one may think. In TS4 even breasts slider can be inherited from the father! There's a pretty big variety of how the body shape can be inherited in this one (every single part of the body can come from either parent). TS3 is also not super simple, body shape works similarly to skintone - multiple sliders from both parents can combine together! Still, I'm definitely Team Sims 2.
My sims 4 genetics have never been nearly this tame. Sims always look like they had a hidden third parent from Windenburg, super cartoony. Not how my sims are shaped at all, its a lot more noticeable when using YA instead of kids when genetically creating sims but it looked like it was happening here too
you and plumbella are the only two sim-youtubers i really enjoy watching anymore. it feels like just chillin besides a friend while they talk abt the sims
Sims 3 genetics is my favorite, mainly because of the skin tone genetic (inheriting skin undertone and color separetedly from the parents), and I don't mind the unnatural hair color thing. Also, the possibility for the child to have a completely random personality is kinda realistic since many children are nothing like their parents
@@PleasantSims back in the day there was a bunch of custom skintones and eyes that worked on the same dominate/recessive system as the maxis stuff. Lyrans eyes, and "strawberry patch" (that i can't find anymore) skins. The skins just had more options very light to very dark :)
I think one of the most fun things about recessive genes in The Sims 2 is it's a great subtle piece of detail for story telling. It's nice to have a child Sim look at a photo album with their great, great grandfather as a child on holiday, with the same red hair as each other. Absolutely precious. ❤ I miss the photo albums.
Exactly I hate when all my light colours (blondes, blue eyes) and recessive features get eaten by darker ones and then there's no variety in children and I have to add yet another mod to my game They are the best of course, but who doesn't have a mod for equal genetics? Although the thing that I really like is that when your sim dyes their hair, their kid is still gonna have his original hair colour, I miss it in 3 and 4
LOL in the sims 4 genetics part as soon as you put the 2 sims in to the gene pool it generated a child that looks excactly like the founder of my legacy challenge
I was so mad when the daughter in my sims 4 save ended up being an exact copy of her mom. I mean in a way i guess its realistic because sometimes kids are like the spitting image of their parents but it’s annoying to me because it just feels like im playing as her mom all over again. They seem more like twin sisters than mother and daughter
I love how talking about Sims 2 genetics was half the video. 😂😂 On the note about the sims 4 having clones - my favourite sims 3 family actually had two clones of the mom (one girl, and one boy who was a twin and his twin was the complete opposite) and I loved it! It made for great story telling having them be the "favourites".
Eye genetics are really complicated in real life so actually ending up with a random chance of 1 of 2 colors in the sims 4 or the mutation in the sims 3 are technically more 'realistic'
It ticks me off how freckles & other skin markings can’t be inherited in Sims 4. You could give both parents all the beauty marks in the world and would still have to paste them onto the child 😪
I liked that in the Sims 2, there was a difference between your genetic hair color and dyeing your hair. So a Sim could spend their life with bleached blonde hair while keeping the original hair color's gene, which would then be passed on to the kid.
this doesn’t really have to do with genetics but the genetic feature in CAS. I love how two same sex sims can have a child in CAS. if I go back to the sims 3 I hate how I can’t do that!
People probably already figured it out by now but another note on Sims 2 generics, and that is while the dominant gene will always express itself, that doesn’t mean the recessive gene cannot be expressed when there’s another recessive gene. For example, a child gets the black hair gene from his dad, and blonde hair gene from his mum, so he has black hair and it’s the dominant colour. However, since he also has the blonde hair gene, albeit recessive, it can be expressed in his offspring if he has a child with a blonde or red headed woman! It’s a bit tricky, but you can still have some red heads and blondes after a few generations if you keep up with who is getting with who. I also prefer it that way and not use the equal genetics mod because not only is it more realistic, but it also actually gives meaning when a child with green eyes or blonde hair is born, especially of one of their parents has brown hair or brown eyes. I’d say the only aspect of the genetics in Sims 2 that’s a bit disappointing is that the offspring can only inherit his parents' features, and not get anything in between. Still, it really is the best genetics system!
I loved to play unnatual colored sims in the sims 3 . I always make them with unnatural hair too, so for me it was a great thing that their kids could have it too
for some reason in the sims 4 the kids get a random hair colour if their parents' colour is pink or green or smth like that, but from what i've seen during my gameplay is that they end up with the correct hair colour they inherited when they age up into teens (no idea why)
In The Sims 2 the game remembers everyones natural hair colour, which will be passed on even if they have unnatural dyed hair. I would wish this was true in the later games.
Awesome video. Also found that in Sims 4 I had a sim with blue hair who had kids with most of the ladies in his neighborhood. His kids who had randomly assigned hair colors usually got the blue color once they aged into teens. It also happens in CAS when you play with genetics where teens and up will get the unnatural colored hair sometimes.
In fact, I like the idea of random hair colour if one of the parents had an unreal hair colour (Sims 4). This is probably because they (the developers) didn't keep the original hair colour in the code and are just guessing what it might be...
Mm I actually like the genetics in sims 3. I know a lot of people didnt care for it because they looked to much like clones sometimes. But it really depended on how well you work those sliders and try give sims unique features. The randomize button helped me so much and made a lot of my sims appearance really different after tweaking them in cas.
Genetics (both plants and animals) was my favorite thing about Biology in school, so this is fascinating to me. Alos, that gradient blue to platinum hair you have looks so pretty!
This and what I really like about Sims 2 and Sims 3 was, that when you children were growing up badly (which happened more often than you would think, since it was effort to teach them stuff.) they got a random personality trait, which was often something bad. In order to prevent this, you must take care for your children and care for their childhood. I hope that it would come back with Parenthood in Sims 4, but no. Another thing that I loved from the Sims 2 was the University expansion pack. When your Sims graduate from university, they became extra Wants and Fear slots, which was really handy and makes more sense, from the player perspective, to actually want them to graduate. If you could one day get your hands on Sims 2, I would highly recommend you to play it. It is one of my favourites, if not THE favourite, and I still play it to this date.
Love how in sims 2 and 3 cc hair recognises the hair colour (in sims 3 it just takes over the colour wheel). In sims 4 you sadly have to connect the hairstyles colour to the games colour with simsstudio which most cc creators don’t do
Besides the fact that the Sims 2 has dominant and recessive hair and eye colors I definetly prefer it over the other games. I'm really hoping the skin update coming to the Sims 4 won't mess up the genetics even more. I didnt even know about these existing bugs until now.
Oh God! I didn't even think of that! It seems they really don't care about genetics anymore and every time they add something new it screws up the whole system. Ugh. Fingers crossed they do a good job this time!
I enjoy the fact that unnatural hair colors can be passed down genetically bc I can really appreciate it while playing with supernatural sims. I love my fairies, witches, aliens, etc, and having non-human colored genetics are usually what I enjoy creatively. I just try not to give my “normal” sims unnatural hair colors, and if I do, I change their hair to natural hair colors before getting pregnant. Although I do like the sims 2 system better
I think you can easily fix the problem in sims 3 by, when one parent has dyed their hair, writing down the "code" of the Orginal hair colour or saving the hair colour. If the child gets the unnatural hair colour then you know what original colour it’s supposed to be
@@PleasantSims another oversight from EA 😂. Anyway thank you for replying and taking the time to research genetics. The video is very informative and interesting!
The only thing I'd like to add is... I like how in ts4 children of sims with unnatural hair colors might be born in a random color, I can headcannon that it is because the parent's original color is that! At least children aren't born with the unnatural hair
I kind of love the unnatural hair colours being inherited. I’ve had Holly Alto have a baby with Nick Altos black and grey hair (so they can inherit from grandparents) and it’s kind of adorable.
Omg the same thing happened with me I had my sim marry holly and their kid inherited the grandparents hair I was so shook and thought it was really cute.
The Sims 2: pretty realistic
The Sims 4:oversimplified
The Sims 5:no genetics at all, also Earth is flat
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Flat-earthers liked that
You missed the sims 3, or was that intentional?
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@@N-Qrse yeah, The Sims 3 is like middle ground between Sims 2 and 4, and this is actually how that joke popped in my head, overthinking might have ruined it (I'm sorry, I know my English is terrible)
Sims 2: Biology expert.
Sims 3: Barely passed biology.
Sims 4: Anime logic.
Anime logic omg. Don't give them idea, at this rate The Sims 5 will have eye colours that change with their mood.
As someone who uses cc to make my sims look like anime characters I like the anime logic part and will only change hair to fit the right texture as one of the parents, so that say I have two non black sims have a baby and that baby end up with locs as their natural texture when it doesn't actually even naturally occur. Besides that I let anime logic do it's things with my anime looking sims
@@babygurleatsshickennuggits4201 I wanna see your sims
I understand sims 3 because the colour wheel thing but sims 4 had no excuse
In my sims 3 game: Agnes (blonde) and my sim Thomas (Black hair) had twin girls.... one girl had black hair and looks identical to Agnes. The other one is tanned like Thomas, looks identical to Agnes, and has CARROT RED HAIR.
I love how much depth the sims 2 is. You can tell Maxis cared, and that they wanted to make a great game.
You definitely can! They put so much into every aspect of the game, and it shows!
TS and TS2 was made from love I feel like. I never really got into TS3 and for sure TS4 is a money grab.
@@katherinedevaughn5242 I have never played Sims 4 yet. And from what I have heard and seen about that game I don't really think I will ever play it. Sims 2 is the best imo.
Katherine DeVaughn oh I love sims 3! It's brilliant when it's not laggy!
@@desertrose1226 yeah I really loved Sims 3. But the problem is I have a potato and the game runs even worse in my pc than other people's. I really love the open world in it.
I think the reason for genetics being so simple, atleast in the sims 3, is because we have a colorwheel, there are millions of different shades, so it becomes difficult to apply realistic genetics
They could have set RBG ranges for a natural hair colour to be inheritable (natural hair colour equivalents in TS2) and all other values would be hair dyes (hair dyes equivalents in TS2).
@@al3220 I think the most feasible way to do it would be to have base hair and eye colors on a slider system and set ranges of each slider as dominant and recessive as they did with skin tones, but to be honest I think that would be clunky and limit player options.
@@al3220 ultimately a lot of the simplifications the Sims team has made over the years can be summed up with “we didn’t think about doing it like that”
Especially with the dyed hair. It would be hard to tell if this bluey black is genetic or dyed. Some people have white hair. At what point on the colour wheel is it classified as dyed?
@@powerplay2137 Because you can change it from a mirror,not from just create a sim
"Get a better hair style dude!" *randomizes a huge mid 2000s swoop*
😆 😆 😆
An important thing to add is that in sims 2 after plastic surgery the kid will inherit the original face of the parent!
That's why I love sims 2 genetics. The appearance of the sim is sth different from the genes.
Good point!! You're absolutely right and I love that too!
Wait what? There were plastic surgery in TS2? I only ever played base game. Is it in any expansion?
@@MissSeraphine i think its the career reward From University and its only for your face
@@MissSeraphine U can do plastic surgery with a Career reward from Show business (It comes with Univerity expansion if I remember correctly). What's funny it's that it's not always successful and u can get some funny results ;)
I love that too!! But I never used plastic surgery because I know that the kid won't get the nice face. I would rather remember what the parent's face looks like before I decide if i want him/her to have a kid or not xD
I can defend Sims 3's choices re: simplified genetics because coding in dominant and recessive genes for hair and eyes when you're using a color wheel system seems pretty painful. I do wish they had set it so Sims have a base natural hair color that is the only one they pass on, though, regardless of how they change their hair later. I once had a Sim change her brown hair to bright pink as a young adult, but then I forgot to switch it back to her natural color when she had a kid, and whoops, her toddler had bright pink hair! I can't defend Sims 4 not bringing hair/eye genetics back when they brought back the swatch system, though.
Yeah, I think it'd be difficult to make the colour wheel work with genetics while making sure that kids are born with natural hair colours. I guess a workaround could have been to base the genetic code on the root colour, or to have a separate "natural colour" setting for the sake of genetics. It's a shame that you have to change the hair colour when having a kid though, but I guess the Sims decided they'd ditch the hair dye that retroactively rewrites your genetic code somewhere between Sims 3 and Sims 2.
True!
Agree.
Sims 3 is great. It has many many great concepts, systems and ideas. However, they are not executed to their full potential. And the game has lots of issues. So Sims team could take Sims 3 concepts, work with them, solve technical problems and create new next Sims iteration.
One can dream, right?
lol the bizarre chemicals in her hair dye mutated her DNA to code her hair to the color it was dyed!
Problem with making a genetics systems of any kind in any game is that if you really want to make it realistic, there are far too many genes that go into determining what your hair and eye color will be. People always say if you have a particular gene your hair will be X color, or if you have this gene it will be Y color (no pun intended). I think the Sims 2 did it best with it's Punnett Square Methodology, but you can't just ham fist Dominant/Recessive. Each trait should have a certain probability associated to it, so that if the gene gets passed down, and down, and down the line, you'll see the reemergence of things like red hair, blonde hair, blue eyes, green eyes etc. Plus as frustrating as it may be sometimes, the random genetic mutation thing IS a reality, although I do agree with Cindy that it should a lower probability. Mutations in nature that actually cause Natural Selection and don't immediately kill the offspring tend to happen soo infrequently that thousands of generations could go by before seeing any noticeable difference. These changes are mind boggilingly imperceptible.
the worst part about sims 4 genetics for me is the way the faces are generated. they always seem to get either a HUGE jaw/chin or absolutely nothing at all, despite the parents looking nothing like it, i always had to fix this in my games lol
Me two matriarchs into the 100 baby challenge- none of these kids have a chin.... :(
It's also annoying, to me at least, when two very good looking sims have a child that...well, it's not like their parents, in that sense lol and, of course, chin disappearing
Huge jaw?
Habsburg family enter the chat
@@chrys8991 I kept adding chins into the bloodline but the nonchin genes are dominant!
I solved why this happens. Basically it has to do with how people make them look.
Looks in the game don't always translate well, mostly with female sims. The no chin being the result of giving a female a small chin and giving a male a short wide chin.
If you give a sim in the sims 3 a natural colour for their hair roots, but an unatural colour for their hair highlights tip and base the child will inherit only the natural base colour. I think this was what was intended for the genetics in the game.
Yes I noticed that when I was playing around with the hair colors back in 2011. I thought most people knew about it though.
WHAAAAT?!?! HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS?!? That's actually amazing! Makes sense since eyebrows and facial hair will automatically match the root color, like that's your real hair color
Yes, thank you! I thought this was generally known, but it seems like most people didn't realize this.....
one time i had a dude with brown hair and blonde tips and his child got brown hair and blonde tips lol
@@savrudow9086my mom has natural brown hair and dyed blonde hair
Sims 2: everyone is black haired at gen 5
Sims 3: everyone stopped having custom hair at gen 5
Sims 4: everyone is the same sim at gen 5
Sims 4: never even getting to gen 5 cause you stop playing forever 4 hours after installing the game
When I play Sims 2, I consciously make sure that any sims that get together don't have the same genetics. I usually start off a legacy with a recessive-traited sim, and any offspring also gets together with a sim with recessive traits. Then, at least, there's some variety in the gene pool.
Lol
@@kassiopeia5565 that's really true. After my first time playing sims 4 I never played it again.
They will only have all black hair if you never made blonde and red heads in the firat few generations and made them mix. By gen 5 in the sims 2 most of my sims have all sorts of hair and eye colours.
Sims 2 Genetics are my FAVORITE and the most realistic. I don't even mod it to give it equal genetics because I love it just the way it is. Oldest game but most advanced genetics. It's amazing.
It's really crazy that The Sims 2 has the most advanced genetics. It's like that in many aspects of this game, too. I wish it were the opposite and newer games got better instead of "simpler."
Yep and even plastic surgery didn’t change genetics xD some features could not be erased
Me too! I even searched for a mod that makes the sims 4 genetics more like the sims 2 but no luck sadly
To be fair, its super easy to have "accurate" genetics, when you only have 4 skintones and haircolours.
@@TheFlauschigthat’s the point
I really like the sims 2 recessive and dominant traits, sims 3 is also a fav of mine because I like how I'm sometimes surprised with what hair or eye color my baby is born with especially if there's a lot of the same colors going on. It helps break up the genetics and add different colors haha! I do think that the reason there isn't a super complex genetics system in the sims 3 is because there is create a color. With the player's ability to give their sim neon green hair and bright purple eyes, it'd be kind of hard to say what colors are recessive and what are dominant. Sims 4 is just a disappointment.
Yes, I think you're exactly right about Sims 3 - and Sims 4 unfortunately.
I do like the random mutation chance in The Sims 3, my only issue with it is that one of the colors it sometimes gives you is that really nasty almost greenish brown hair! If it just switched that for a nicer color, we'd be golden! Btw I haven't played a HUGE amount with this, as I rarely have kids in any Sims game so I haven't observed the mutations a lot, but it seems like there aren't a lot of mutation options? I pretty much only remember seeing a mutated blond or the aforementioned swampy brown
@@KreeZafi I know exactly what color you're talking about and I hate that one! I always change the hair color of my toddlers who get it. I think the options for different mutated hair and eye colors go up the more you have saved colors for both. So like I've gotten a mutation where I had a sim who was born with the dad's hair but red eyes and neither of the parents had that eye color. Ive also gotten some kids who's parents have blonde and light brown hair but they end up with black hair through mutations. I think the percentage for it or the options for it goes up the more saved colors you have, otherwise it mostly is just hair and its that poopy green, weird blonde and sometimes black.
Yes! For instance, my whole 7 generations had brown hair and brown eyes. Except for one grandfather. I had the next two gens have normal hair and eyes except one random son was born with the grandfathers black hair and bright blue eyes! It was very cool.
@@LeFroge7 generations?! Wow, I applaud you. I could never make it that far. Do you just have your 7 generations of sims live in one town or you move them around?
ok that's it why is no one talking about how gorgeous she looks especially your hair is amazing i just can't-
Thanks so much Nida!
Yes I love her new hair!
Thats exactly what I was going to comment!
I agree
she is so pretty i can't
I actually don’t mind the unnatural hair colour being passed down generations as I like playing with supernaturals. Like elves and fairies for example, it would be weird of the mum and dad had blue and green hair and the child is born with brown 😅
I agree with you a lot. I always thought it was cool because The Sims is supposed to simulate real life.. but it's not exactly the same. I like to think in the alternate universe of the sims purple and orange hair is inherited, a natural occurrence!
Since I make all my sims look like anime characters I prefer to have the hair and eyes do their own little unnatural thing. Since I use cc to make sure they have weird lil eye colors when they're a super natural, but I'll go in and change it if it's a non supernatural sim with weird lil eyes.
BIG SAME!! I love having unnatural hair colors, ESPECIALLY for fairies. I also sometimes give my sims unnatural hair colors just to keep track of their bloodline if I breed them a lot :P
@@KreeZafi my natural hair color is stark black, like so black it doesn't even turn brown in the sunlight but I plan to dye my hair grey until the day I go fully grey and wish it was my natural hair color. So itd actually be super cool if in the game it was something that would "naturally," occur in children in the day.
I just wish they made it based on roots and not all of the hair color. It makes sense to pass on only the root hair and have the base, tips, and highlights just be the same as the root hair unless changes.
i actually like the sims 3 genetics because it can create very unique sims. i very often use this feature to create unique sims that i would have never been able to create myself
It's also better to woohoo, instead of using the genetics randomizer in CAS. My Sims look way better when they're made the natural way lol.
I think sims 2 did it best tbh since dyeing your hair in sims 3/4 makes the dyed hair GENETIC and that’s not realistic and in sims 2 you can have Recessive genes to and I love it plus you can get that genetics mod and it makes it even better! Nice video Cindy!
I totally agree! Thank you!!
I used to looooove that in Sims 2, when you dyed your hair, it didn't matter if you dyed it a natural color (like from brown to blonde or red or black) or an unnatural color, the game STILL tracked the original color and you could see it in the sims hair roots. So if I dyed my sims blonde hair black because she wanted to be the goth kid of the family, her baby would still receive the genetics for blonde hair!
In TS3 you just gotta keep the roots and eyebrows intact.
@@binimbap ohhhh
@@binimbap not completely, I had a sims 3 sim with purple ends of her hair. Her kids came out normal (she had 10 kids) but half of every grand kid she had got purple ends (she had like 30 grandkids). Sometimes the sims 3 was whack
There is a "random genetics" mod for sims 3, that actually gives child a mixture of parents' sliders. It randomly chooses more dominant features of one of the parents. For example when u have a child notification will pop up saying " nose features of parent 1 - 83%, mouth - 46% etc." I highly recommend trying out this mod. The creator is NeuroBlazer
Thanks!
I think I will finally have to give this a try, so far I've been too scared because the example on the mod page seemed a bit extreme for my taste. Together with Consort's haircolor mod that should cover most of the game's genetics!
Commenting so I remember to add this!!
@@NoaNoName I think the examples in the preview were extreme because it was supposed to be a showcase of how it works, and that's easier to do with very obvious and dramatic features - just like in this video with the giant nose versus the tiny nose.
I've tested it in my game the results are very subtle assuming that you don't have a family all with mad features.
I'm gonna try this! Thank you so much for the reccomended!
Back then, when I played TS3, I had a family of fairies. And for my biggest surprise, when my sims (the second generation) had triplets, one of the triplets looked alike like his grandfather. He inherited his hair color, wing type and wing color. It was so cool, I miss it so much :)
Me - studying genetics and microbiology - is dying while listening to the spin Sims gave genetic in their game.
Homozygous with a rezessive and a dominant allele... Nooo haha 😂
I think they had to simplify things as much as possible while still keeping it relatively realistic. I think they did a pretty good job considering the technology. 😆
If you have a rezessive and a dominant allele, you have heterozygous, not homozygous..
@@vladino32 ngl that kinda bothered me but then again, I've been brainwashed by science in the last 3-4 years in biomed
Is body shape inherited in the Sims 4? Because children seem to often get weird body shapes in my game. And the chins get weaker with every generation
Oh boy if i could show how ugly they turn out in my game and rarely they look similar to their parents. The have very thin hands and legs very puffed chest like the rip cage is going out for the night. Also the hands are larger down and a one inch hip. They also are either very obese or thin
Oh man I keep getting sims with super wacky bodies, e.g. super buff with no body fat or males with super wide hips.
Yeah they also tend to have extremely small shoulders like? Wtf
@@lisaelsancho6490 YES! The shoulders and the hips are too thin especially in males
I’m so glad you can edit them to at least look human (I brought up in a big simmers stream chat, how weird the sims bodies looks in the game, and got shit on by the streamer, she said I was body shaming and went on a rant against me, she got the whole chat shitting at me too, I had pms and started crying, I’ve been body shamed a big part of my life and I would never ever do that to someone..this was characters in a game, so I left lol), I always edit their bodies and make some small differences in the face, not to make them look the same or fit some beauty standard, just not totally unreal. I stand by why what I said, ea makes weird bodies!
In sims 3 i had a family that started off with a guy with jet black hair and a woman with orange hair. All their kids had the dads colour and so did their grandkids but i was so pleasantly surprised to see one of their great grandkids came out with bright orange hair like his great grandma.
It was really cool how some traits reappear like that.
3:10 there still should be ~25% blonde/blue Sims, because of Mendel's rules.
A recessive, B dominant, in brackets what it looks like
1st gen: AA(A) | BB(B)
2nd gen: AB(B) | BA(B)
3rd gen: AA(A) | AB(B) | BA(B) | BB(B)
(ratio stays then the same, because there are equal amounts of A's and B's in the gene pool)
Good correction. Dominant and recessive genes are equally likely to stay in the gene pool (genotype); the recessive genes just get physically expressed less often (phenotype) once the gene pool has gotten mixed up. True in real life and in TS2!
Really excited to compare these to Paralives's genetics
From what I can tell, Paralives will have genetics closer to The Sims 2. I'm so excited for it!
Oh same
The nose example killed me
👃👃👃
Maybe it's just me, but it just feels like sims 4 genetics tend to favor the lighter skintones. Having biracial babies that look like an even mix between both parents tends to only happen in my game with custom skintones installed. But I feel like having custom eye colors installed completely breaks the genetics on eye color as my sim randomly had twins with purple eyes when she had hazel eyes and her baby daddy had dark brown eyes 😕
I only tend to get dark and mixed babies xD wanna change?
Do you tend to have multiple biracial children ? I know on 3 it is a toss up. My current generation of mixed Sims all came out super fair, but in a previous family one was fair, the other 2 were brown skinned.
""mixed race"" children are not even mixes. Not even in real life.
@@ember9361Sure they are. It's like how there are mixed breed dogs and cats, or how Twist ice cream is a mix of vanilla and chocolate.
Thanks for watching everyone! Couple notes:
- Homozygous means they have two dominant or two recessive genes (not one of each). I misspoke. But the result is the same in the game. They have two genes for the hair color and eye color in CAS.
- In Sims 4, children cannot have unnatural hair colors and that's why they get a random color. They will get the unnatural color upon aging to teen.
its AMAZING how the sims 2 genetics match exactly my genetics classes on school, like, it works perfectly, so nice
They did a really great job! I love Sims 2 genetics!
A good thing to compare, sims 2 really allows features to pass on in a semi real way. I remember the Sims 3 phenomena when your kid randomly gets a blondish green hair. And it happened sooo often. I also recall when a couple that both had black hair produced a platinum blonde daughter. Wild
I really don't like the mutation in Sims 3. Have to turn it off with Nraas Mods!
it happens in real life tho
About custom skins in Sims 2 - there are also geneticized skins which are custom skins, but made in the range of genetic values:)
That is true Marta! Thank you for mentioning it!
yeahhh also they have skin tones that are fantasy that are also geneticized but with values on a different scale so you can have your weird faerie sims not pop out of "human" sims at random.
In sims 3 I had a kid who was 4th generation and inharited the hair color of my 1st generation sim. None of the previous kids that color so I thought that was pretty cool. :)
girlie why is your voice so cutee
Just a gift I guess. LOL
@@PleasantSims Do I detect a southern drawl?
@@GameTandT Yep! I was born and raised in the South! :)
@@PleasantSims it’s very comforting
Without watching the video I can already tell who's the best.
I thought you might! :)
I love how this game came out in 2004 and it’s still relevant. TS4 will never be this popular and I feel like nobody will talk about it in a few years.
Just one more thing, as someone who plays sims 3 a lot, the body size of a sim gets passed down to their off spring. Same thing for sims 4 I think. So for example a big sim and a skinny sim can get an off spring who is either big or skinny or somewhere in between.
Oh, that's a very good point! Thank you for mentioning it!
I don't think that's how it works in Sims 4, or at least not always. (I've read in the bug reports that some people have a glitch where ALL their daughters get maxed body fat when aging up to child regardless of their parents' fitness & fatness status and also regardless of what they eat .. I have this issue in some of my saves, but not globally, so not sure about this "feature")
Mostly not in the sims 4. Now I don’t get any babies in the dims 4. For some reason, my parent sims have never fat in their life, but one baby grew up as skinny, but the other 2 grew up as full fat teens. Even my parent sims were the 1sg generation. There’s no way to have the full fat body teen kids.
Omg Cindy!!!! The HAIRRRR I'm absolutely in love, I know we are talking about genetics but we can't just slide by this hair 😍
Thank you!! This is my favorite hair too! 💙
I love that you can use actual scientific terms when referring to the Sims 2 genetics. But every other game is so over-simplified that it's not necessary. When I was a biology major in college I LOVED learning about genetics and I think this is one of the reasons I love Sims 2 so much more than the other games.
Same! I find genetics so interesting!
sims 4: when you play with unnatural hair colors the baby/toddler/child will have a randomized hair color, then age up into the "correct" one once they age up to teen btw.
Thats one thing I've always questioned about Sims 4. I actually enjoy most of the game, but that's always confused me 😂
Frankly, I love that the unnatural hair colors can be inherited in Sims 3. There's nothing quite as good as doing a multigenerational playthrough, and seeing a sim with the unnatural hair you selected at the start and knowing that your sim is related to that sim in some way without any other indications. It's great!
That is really cool, I agree on that! But if you want it to only be a box-dye hair, then it’s a problem xD
One other thing to notice about The Sims 2 genetics is that you can't change them once you've created your Sims in CAS (unless you change them through SimPE). Basically if you've created a Sim in CAS that's blonde and then you go on and change their appearance through a mirror, the game doesn't update your Sims genes accordingly and so it's like you just made them dye their hair. Some premade Sims display this behavior, like Kaylyn Langerak who appears to have black hair, but is actually a blonde. This is also true for Face Lifts : doesn't matter if you completely changed your Sims face with the career reward, your Sim still caries their original DNA and they will pass that on to their offspring.
Also, in defense of The Sims 2 not blending facial features between parents, I actually think it's not a problem because I know that one of the problems with Sims 3 offsprings is that they will eventually always end up with a very generic face throughout generations since the game blends them, the values for the sliders will get closer to the default positions each generation. It wouldn't surprise me if Maxis had thought about that whenever they were making TS2 and didn't make the game blend facial features on purpose so that wouldn't happend!
I forgot how TERRIFYING some of the Sims were in Sims 3
The rubber people are coming to GETCHA 😈
How can you find the sims 3 sims scary when the sims 2 sims are looking like whole roblox characters
Lmao yes sims2 graphic is overrated I hated that they all had same faces in ts2. I hate ts4 graphic for being too simple and cartoony but sims 3 is like best in that way
@@thomaszloi9444 exactly
@@a_s2557 lol spoiled brat detected "omg if it has less than 1 million polygons it might as well be minecraft!"
As someone who's never played TS2, I am yet again astonished by how much thought had gone into the game and disappointed again in TS4 and how little they care
You've hit the golden middle of being informative and entertaining. Love this video!
i’ve been playing the sims 3 ever since it’s realise date.. how have i only just found out hidden traits are a thing! i learn something new about this game every day
the unnatural hair color thing in sims 3 is good because you are choosing the natural color, there is a salon in the game where you can dye your hair if you want unnatural colors. So basically you could be a natural blue with blonde dye
Kids in sims 4 change their hair as they grow up because they cant have unnatural haircolor!
Also because when children reach their teenage years they're more likely to experiment with their hair, cut it different, get it dyed, etc etc. Realistically most dyes for hair aren't intended for the sensitive scalp of a child and so naturally the wacky color change wouldn't show up until their teens.
On a side note, could you imagine children somehow inheriting tattoos? Now that would be some strange stuff.
Good you mentioned the homozygous thing!
And with custom skintones it really depends on how the creator "coded" them. Sometimes they are geneticized, so they can blend with Maxis skins, which is pretty ridiculous as you can suddenly get a random custom skin that doesn't look anything like a blend between the parents (like blue skin out of human-like Sims xD).
In The Sims 4 the unnatural color "comes back" once the child becomes a teenager because those colors are finally available for them then. But I hate this system too. Was it so hard to just give the unnatural colors to children, so that you know where the color comes from and you can change it back to natural? It would be cool if they inherited colored hair straight from CAS (supernatural characters and stuff), but the worst thing is that they inherited hair that the Sim dyed during gameplay... Sims 2 could never!
The connected eye colors in TS4 make sense to some extent (like greens), but most of it is just annoying and confusing. But thank you for the info, I didn't know the exact connections of the colors and that it's because of a patch!
Also, I'd like to note that TS4 is a bit more complicated when it comes to face features. This time Sims can actually inherit very detailed traits from different parents. Like, upper cheekbones and cheeks separately, or width and length of the nose. This is actually pretty cool, even if sometimes it seems like the child doesn't look anything like the parents :D And, sadly, that is the reason why after a few generations their chins seem to get "flat". It's just different face shapes and chins mixed up!
And you forgot about body shapes! It's not as simple as one may think. In TS4 even breasts slider can be inherited from the father! There's a pretty big variety of how the body shape can be inherited in this one (every single part of the body can come from either parent). TS3 is also not super simple, body shape works similarly to skintone - multiple sliders from both parents can combine together!
Still, I'm definitely Team Sims 2.
Marticore, hi!! I’m binge-watching your videos :D
My sims 4 genetics have never been nearly this tame. Sims always look like they had a hidden third parent from Windenburg, super cartoony. Not how my sims are shaped at all, its a lot more noticeable when using YA instead of kids when genetically creating sims but it looked like it was happening here too
The Sims 2 part really sent flashbacks of Biology classes😂😂😂😂
you and plumbella are the only two sim-youtubers i really enjoy watching anymore. it feels like just chillin besides a friend while they talk abt the sims
I remember in The Sims 3, I got a child with a large bottom lip even though neither of the parents had lips like that. Was that the mutations at work?
Hmm...It must have been. I didn't know it would work with face shape, but maybe it does!
Habsburg jaw lol
Genetics: OH NO EMERGENCY EMERGENCY EMERGENCY EMERGENCY EMERGENCY EMERGENCY EMERGENCY THE KID LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THE PARENTS OH GOD NO
I never noticed the genetic textured hair in the ts4. It’s actually a nice touch
Sims 3 genetics is my favorite, mainly because of the skin tone genetic (inheriting skin undertone and color separetedly from the parents), and I don't mind the unnatural hair color thing. Also, the possibility for the child to have a completely random personality is kinda realistic since many children are nothing like their parents
Sims 2 recessive genes made me so happy.
Me too!! I love Sims 2 genetics!
@@PleasantSims back in the day there was a bunch of custom skintones and eyes that worked on the same dominate/recessive system as the maxis stuff. Lyrans eyes, and "strawberry patch" (that i can't find anymore) skins. The skins just had more options very light to very dark :)
I think one of the most fun things about recessive genes in The Sims 2 is it's a great subtle piece of detail for story telling. It's nice to have a child Sim look at a photo album with their great, great grandfather as a child on holiday, with the same red hair as each other. Absolutely precious. ❤
I miss the photo albums.
ooohhhh wasn't thinking of this being a comparison lol
Hope you like it! 💙
How do u get sims 2 on your computer i wasnt born in the years u could have gotten sims 2 so im okay with sims 3 but i wanna know what sims 2 is like
@@unknown-pr1of Sims 2's really good! I have the physical discs but you can get it from other sources which you'll have to look for yourself
@@AbiRose539 okay thank you😀
@@unknown-pr1of yw
Genetics in sims 2 are the best but they are so anniying sometimes😪
Exactly
I hate when all my light colours (blondes, blue eyes) and recessive features get eaten by darker ones and then there's no variety in children and I have to add yet another mod to my game
They are the best of course, but who doesn't have a mod for equal genetics? Although the thing that I really like is that when your sim dyes their hair, their kid is still gonna have his original hair colour, I miss it in 3 and 4
"i feel like it was an oversight"
thats the sims 4 in a nutshell
LOL in the sims 4 genetics part as soon as you put the 2 sims in to the gene pool it generated a child that looks excactly like the founder of my legacy challenge
Haven’t finished watching this yet but know ill love the video, your videos are always so interesting ❤️
Thanks so much laura! 💙
I was so mad when the daughter in my sims 4 save ended up being an exact copy of her mom. I mean in a way i guess its realistic because sometimes kids are like the spitting image of their parents but it’s annoying to me because it just feels like im playing as her mom all over again. They seem more like twin sisters than mother and daughter
oooh i love talking about genetics! (also, your hair is beautiful!)
Thank you!!
I love how talking about Sims 2 genetics was half the video. 😂😂 On the note about the sims 4 having clones - my favourite sims 3 family actually had two clones of the mom (one girl, and one boy who was a twin and his twin was the complete opposite) and I loved it! It made for great story telling having them be the "favourites".
Sims 4 genetics: chins getting smaller each generation
Eye genetics are really complicated in real life so actually ending up with a random chance of 1 of 2 colors in the sims 4 or the mutation in the sims 3 are technically more 'realistic'
True, my oldest brother have gray eyes me light brown eyes my younger brother light blue eyes and my youngest brother dark brown almost black eyes
It ticks me off how freckles & other skin markings can’t be inherited in Sims 4. You could give both parents all the beauty marks in the world and would still have to paste them onto the child 😪
I understood this better than the time my biology teacher was explaining😂
I liked that in the Sims 2, there was a difference between your genetic hair color and dyeing your hair. So a Sim could spend their life with bleached blonde hair while keeping the original hair color's gene, which would then be passed on to the kid.
Even though I wasn't particularly interested in this, I could listen to you talk about literally anything Cindy!
this doesn’t really have to do with genetics but the genetic feature in CAS. I love how two same sex sims can have a child in CAS. if I go back to the sims 3 I hate how I can’t do that!
I def prefer the Sims 2 genetic system! I learned so much from this, you should be a teacher. Friendly face, clear voice and well spoken. I stan ❤️
Sims 2 will always be the GOAT.
I agree!! It's the best!
the LLAMA
Was bored in the middle of class and saw you uploaded 😭 yay !!! Also I love your hair it’s so pretty !!
Thank you!! 💙
When you were explaining the genetics in the Sims 2 I felt like I was on biology class
People probably already figured it out by now but another note on Sims 2 generics, and that is while the dominant gene will always express itself, that doesn’t mean the recessive gene cannot be expressed when there’s another recessive gene. For example, a child gets the black hair gene from his dad, and blonde hair gene from his mum, so he has black hair and it’s the dominant colour. However, since he also has the blonde hair gene, albeit recessive, it can be expressed in his offspring if he has a child with a blonde or red headed woman! It’s a bit tricky, but you can still have some red heads and blondes after a few generations if you keep up with who is getting with who. I also prefer it that way and not use the equal genetics mod because not only is it more realistic, but it also actually gives meaning when a child with green eyes or blonde hair is born, especially of one of their parents has brown hair or brown eyes.
I’d say the only aspect of the genetics in Sims 2 that’s a bit disappointing is that the offspring can only inherit his parents' features, and not get anything in between. Still, it really is the best genetics system!
Never knew there were hidden traits. Thanks! I love this channel, been playing TS3 for a decade and it still surprises me
I love the sims comparison videos C:
So glad you like them! I love making them!
Ahh i love these videos. I missed out on sims 2 and 3 so its fascinating to learn how they work differently
Cindy: SO, did you make it through my biology lesson ?
Me:...of course teach **sweats nervously**
You HAD me at dominant and recessive genes in sims 2, that is incredible I can't
I loved to play unnatual colored sims in the sims 3 . I always make them with unnatural hair too, so for me it was a great thing that their kids could have it too
for some reason in the sims 4 the kids get a random hair colour if their parents' colour is pink or green or smth like that, but from what i've seen during my gameplay is that they end up with the correct hair colour they inherited when they age up into teens (no idea why)
In The Sims 2 the game remembers everyones natural hair colour, which will be passed on even if they have unnatural dyed hair. I would wish this was true in the later games.
Awesome video. Also found that in Sims 4 I had a sim with blue hair who had kids with most of the ladies in his neighborhood. His kids who had randomly assigned hair colors usually got the blue color once they aged into teens. It also happens in CAS when you play with genetics where teens and up will get the unnatural colored hair sometimes.
If you have two sims with unnatural hair I believe you will 100% get red
"Oh that's an unfortunate looking child"
I cackled lmao
I really hope the genetics for skintones at least are improved with the skintone update.
Omg the new wig is STUNNING!! It really opens up your face wow
I love these VS. Series 😍
Thanks! Glad you like them because I've got more coming! 💙
Me too!
In fact, I like the idea of random hair colour if one of the parents had an unreal hair colour (Sims 4). This is probably because they (the developers) didn't keep the original hair colour in the code and are just guessing what it might be...
Mm I actually like the genetics in sims 3. I know a lot of people didnt care for it because they looked to much like clones sometimes. But it really depended on how well you work those sliders and try give sims unique features. The randomize button helped me so much and made a lot of my sims appearance really different after tweaking them in cas.
Genetics (both plants and animals) was my favorite thing about Biology in school, so this is fascinating to me.
Alos, that gradient blue to platinum hair you have looks so pretty!
It should be possible to inherit personality traits in the Sims 4 too 😭 feel like I’m missing out on so much that Sims 2 had
This and what I really like about Sims 2 and Sims 3 was, that when you children were growing up badly (which happened more often than you would think, since it was effort to teach them stuff.) they got a random personality trait, which was often something bad. In order to prevent this, you must take care for your children and care for their childhood. I hope that it would come back with Parenthood in Sims 4, but no. Another thing that I loved from the Sims 2 was the University expansion pack. When your Sims graduate from university, they became extra Wants and Fear slots, which was really handy and makes more sense, from the player perspective, to actually want them to graduate. If you could one day get your hands on Sims 2, I would highly recommend you to play it. It is one of my favourites, if not THE favourite, and I still play it to this date.
Love how in sims 2 and 3 cc hair recognises the hair colour (in sims 3 it just takes over the colour wheel). In sims 4 you sadly have to connect the hairstyles colour to the games colour with simsstudio which most cc creators don’t do
Besides the fact that the Sims 2 has dominant and recessive hair and eye colors I definetly prefer it over the other games. I'm really hoping the skin update coming to the Sims 4 won't mess up the genetics even more. I didnt even know about these existing bugs until now.
Oh God! I didn't even think of that! It seems they really don't care about genetics anymore and every time they add something new it screws up the whole system. Ugh. Fingers crossed they do a good job this time!
Not me calmly watching this video as normal, and interested in learning. Then I see the alien son change to adult in CAS "wait...damn hes CUTEEEEE"
I enjoy the fact that unnatural hair colors can be passed down genetically bc I can really appreciate it while playing with supernatural sims. I love my fairies, witches, aliens, etc, and having non-human colored genetics are usually what I enjoy creatively. I just try not to give my “normal” sims unnatural hair colors, and if I do, I change their hair to natural hair colors before getting pregnant. Although I do like the sims 2 system better
I think you can easily fix the problem in sims 3 by, when one parent has dyed their hair, writing down the "code" of the Orginal hair colour or saving the hair colour. If the child gets the unnatural hair colour then you know what original colour it’s supposed to be
I'm a bit confused. In the Sims 2 if the black hair is dominant then why are the Pleasant twins redheads when MarySue has black hair?
Because they were not created genetically. They don't share genes with their parents and instead were just created in CAS like any other Sim.
@@PleasantSims another oversight from EA 😂. Anyway thank you for replying and taking the time to research genetics. The video is very informative and interesting!
Mary Sue carries a recessive hair gene as well as the black/dominant hair gene
The only thing I'd like to add is...
I like how in ts4 children of sims with unnatural hair colors might be born in a random color, I can headcannon that it is because the parent's original color is that! At least children aren't born with the unnatural hair
Looking? Stunning. Speaking? TRUTH!
Thank you so much Jacob! 💙
I kind of love the unnatural hair colours being inherited. I’ve had Holly Alto have a baby with Nick Altos black and grey hair (so they can inherit from grandparents) and it’s kind of adorable.
Omg the same thing happened with me I had my sim marry holly and their kid inherited the grandparents hair I was so shook and thought it was really cute.