Vietnam and Afghanistan are nothing more than the dying gasps of the greatest nation the world has ever known. All good things must come to an end and we're seeing the United States come to an end.
@Awawawa CM and your politicians didn't rape and poison Vietnamese people, it was all done by soldiers. Your politicians prefer to rape and poison American children, so they are not to be blamed.
My neighbor was in some sort of Spec Ops. Unit during Vietnam. He was tasked to go do a deep recon into the jungles of South Vietnam. While he was in the jungle with his small squad. The Frontline basically moved on without him and he got caught behind enemy lines. So his squad had to break through the NVA's lines twice over. And when he got back to Saigon it was in the middle of being sieged and the US Military already withdrew. So he had to evacuate with the Civilians on rafts and paddle out the Ships off the coast. Long story short this whole ordeal really fucked him up and he came back home with PTSD. He was seen low crawling in the street. And doing some overall depressing shit. He died of a heart attack not to long ago. The shit he must've seen man.
@@banga-a-bang-a209 I'm guessing he means the ANZAC involvement in Vietnam, those guys did amazing over there, but their efforts typically go un noticed when compared to the USA. tbf, there were a lot less anzacs than there were USA in Vietnam. Look up the battle of long tan, amazing story.
Fortunate son is precisely about how fucked it was that it was the ones that came from lower socioeconomic would end up being stuck fighting a war they didn't care for. It sounds cool but the whole song is basically a big fuck you to the institutions in place that fed American lives to a pointless proxy war House on the Rising Sun is about a brothel in New Orleans (the original version).
@@Callsign_Bear went over your head. The fact that she's a woman and working at any job in Afghanistan, major reason to shit. Soldier, or cleaning the toilets. As soon as the talibanzo rolled up those burkas were FLYIN!!! of the shelves.
The vietnam war brought a whole new genre of music to vietnam. As Americans played rock music on the radio and left some behind, the local vietnamese would eventually combine it with their own local music to make something new. For example songs like this ruclips.net/video/MKLZSC9ib14/видео.html
grandpa: we had to be evacuated from the capital of a foreign country in asia because the capital fell to the people we were fighting for years. grandson: we had to be evacuated from the capital of a foreign country in asia because the capital fell to the people we were fighting for years.
The average age of a US soldier in Vietnam was 19 years old. They were just becoming adults and were then forced to fight for nothing in a rich man’s war
A rich man's war payed for in the blood and brain of poor souls across the globe. My heart goes out to those kids who had to lose their innocence in the worst way possible, in the inferno.
A rich man's war? Voters could have stopped it any time but they didn't. Most people support wars and are bloodthirsty until they go bad, then they pretend they never supported them in the first place.
@Xx xX it's not merely just capitalism, it's the disgusting nature of any overly privileged body. Even the Soviet Union, the men who so demonized western ways, sent multitudes of their youngest and poorest to their death. All in the name of preaching to the world how much their system can better their lives, ironically. The follies of nationalism and militarism are repeated and contorted throughout history, all still made of the same material.
And all the while the people talking about peace and love abused them, harassed them, and condemned them for shit a tiny fraction did after snapping under the stress. Never forget what the "common folk" did to these poor SOBs.
I don't have any memories of my dad. He died in a POW camp in hanoi during the war when I was barely able to walk. He wasnt even there when I took my first steps, or my 3rd birthday, or 4th, etc. I've heard stories but even then I can't imagine what it was like to go through that, Vietnam was a cruel war, our troops fought overseas and then at home. He didnt leave us with much; his only keepsake had been a gold wristwatch my great grandfather wore, an A-11 lancet, one of the first trenchwatches during WW1. It had been passed down through my family to my dad. This watch is incredibly important to me, and my family. My dad didnt want the Vietnamese to have the watch when he was captured, so he hid it the only place he could (you can guess where.) For 5 years he kept that watch there, hiding it, before ultimately dying of dysentery. Before going, he turned to his captain who had also been captured, and told him to pass the watch down to me. "When you're in a situation like that with another man, you take on the other's responsibilities." The captain then took the watch and hid it in the same place, barely fitting it in there, for another 2 years, before he was free. When I met the captain, he gave the watch to me, and told me all of this. He said that had he died and my father lived, my father would be the one visiting the captain's son. I cant really tell you much about my dad, but I can about the watch. And how it means the world to me.
My Grandfather is good friends with the soldier who was the last man out of Vietnam. His name is James Parker I think. I never met the guy and I don't even know if he's alive anymore, but from what I remember he wrote a book about his experience in Vietnam and the return home after. My Grandfather wasn't a soldier, but he served in the air force as a mechanic and told me about how he used to hide from enemy artillery fire and even showed me a big old piece of shrapnel he brought back from the war. Crazy shit.
If he served, he was a soldier. Don't have to be Frontline infantry to be a soldier. If you serve, you serve. Your MOS doesn't mean you're any less of a soldier than another. Each job in the armed services supports one another, each has it's part to play.
@@oliverb.8995 I mean, if you want to segregate it that far. You can very much generalize all armed forces as soldiers honestly. It's whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. Also, when you gonna finish my goddamn background check?? 🤔🤔🤔 Update: Two weeks ago they finally got it through. Thanks FBI 🙏
Seeing everyone posting personal stories I guess I will share mine. My uncle was an Army Ranger and served in Vietnam. As a young and dumb kid (about 12 years old) I asked him if he saw much combat in Vietnam. He responded with “yeah I saw a bunch of dead people”. Thinking he misunderstood me, I asked the question again and he responded with the same answer. Was definitely an eye opening moment for me. War is hell and is unfortunately over sensationalized in our media.
Over sensationalized in media, and very unfortunately underfunded back home with mental/physical help to all the veterans that now suffer lifelong effects.
@@SniperFallen06 its really alpha that's the problem, its objectively the hardest point in the game to capture as Vietcong. There is a way to do it but its really hard, if you can time it right do a combo of commander abilities, starting first by activating trail, then dropping arty and rushing onto the point to ambush. If you are able to time it right you can normally get alpha. Bravo gets a little bit more easy due to the fact you can flank on the left and assault through the basement. Again the best bet is using the same strategy as alpha saving your aa for spook if they have it. Charlie is hard to take if you allow the enemy to fortify it and delta is a joke, the best bet is to sprint into charlie and ambush if you still have it, delta can be taken super easy especially if you have an arty strike. As for the presidential palace your best bet is to climb the pipes and ambush everyone on top of the roof, really good because they never expect it and you are basically guaranteeing that the us cant drop spook napalm or arty on you. Its unlikely that you will end up holding both the roof and the ground for long so if you ever get one the entire focus should then divert to just rushing on to the ground point.
@@royalpain6338 I learned how to attack saigon cause I had never seen it fall and once you know how to do it , it aint hard. A has to be pushed with a whole squad through the east, where the two houses are and going throughout the back of the embassy towards the second floor. Once you reach that, got to clear the whole second floor. Once that is done, A falls easily, even with pushes from the center. B has to be taken climbing the pipes in the front of the point, need some decent people as snipers or using the mosin to clear the second floor windows, that's the biggest deal of B cause if they stick there its almost impossible to take. Once one or two squads climb the second floor and start shooting to the first, B is easily taken. C and D, D is the easiest by far, most of the times isnt even defended. But if that's the case just flank through the east street going behind the houses, take a spot and clear the back road. Lot of people go through there to defend D, once the street is clear is just pushing with smokes or an arty, but its never a hard point to take. C is much easier than many people think, if you have a machinegunner, take it to the police station rooftop and start making some suppression into C, all those walls are wallbang so by just shooting at them he is doing plenty of work. The rest of the squad/team only has to flank into the street on the left, which ussually no one defends and it goes straight into an entrance to C, even you can place some tunnels close to it. Once you get in c, got to neutralize the ones coming, leave a guy covering the entrance and start clearing all of the floors, nades are really important here. Once the entrance has been covered all you got to do is push through the stairs until you take it, there isnt much to do as a defender specially because it is indoors, so no arty or napalm. E and F : There are some different ways to take these points, if your commander is good and knows the map once D and C is taken he would be already at F calling you to suicide so he can ambush the whole team in. That's almost always instawin. If not, use the tunnels that are in the middle of D and C, that go into E's entrances, place a good tunnel and clear E side entrance. You dont have to be Rambo and stick there, but climb throughout the stairs on the side of the building, those stairs are the vital spot of these two points. If you have control on it, the enemies wont be able to get into E or even F, what I recommend is if you are a sapper go and place several landmines on the stair, almost nobody checks and you got plenty of free kills there. After you taken the whole stairs you will be on F and there isnt so much left, just after clearing the rooms that are close, stick to the hall and shoot the enemies that are coming, that's the only way to get into F as defenders, so its a one-way hall where you got the advantage. The other thing is , once you taken e you can climb the pipes on the front of the building into the rooftop, that makes easier to clear F, but isnt as safe as using the stairs to clear the most part of the enemies. And, that's all. Saigon seems intimidating and I think its the best map of RS2 by far, but once you know what to do instead of going into the middle like a meatgrinder its winnable.
My grandpa was a Lieutenant for the South Vietnamese Navy, when Vietnam fell to the communist he was captured and put in prison. Luckily, he escaped the country with the help of some people and took a boat to Malaysia. He later then went to America to start over again. I thank my grandpa for what he did because without him I wouldn’t be here today.
@Hoang Minh Dao Mine was an APC driver in the South Vietnamese Rangers, was about to be a Second Lieutenant but the war ended, got sent to reeducation camp and got out. Sometimes I wonder what would've happened if the South had won, would we have become like South Korea?
It was one of the most successful evacs in history. They took a lot of afghans as well. Heck I'd say US doctrine of pulling out has definitely improved if nothing else.
The chopper seen in this photo is the exact same one that flew over the Kabul embassy. Not same type, exact same aircraft. It was also its last mission before it was destroyed in Kabul Airport
Not to be that guy but not sure where you're getting that... Pictured is a CH-46 Sea Knight; the Marines stopped using those years before the fall of Kabul. The helicopter from the infamous picture of Kabul was a CH-47 Chinook in Army service. Very similar looking airframes but not the same bird.
@@Ted_II nope. N38TU (BuNo 154038) was the last helicopter out of Saigon. And flew the last evac mission from the Kabul Embassy. N38TU was left to rot in Afghanistan after being abandoned, too far to fly to escape unopposed, she still sits at an abandoned airbase, waiting for her time. And no, she was not a Marine Corps helicopter when abandoned. She was a Dep't of State Air Wing chopper.
Grandpa was apart of the 1st Marine division came back home and became an alcoholic and the thing is he was drafted didn't even want to fight and came back home with a purple heart and I think most of his brothers and cousins were drafted there too. His brother died recently and first time he came to me and said " Sorry if I start to crying for no reason " I believe he was in the army not sure but you can see how messed up they are decades after.
I’m a US marine who got out of the service a few months before the fall of Kabul. I asked my grandfather who was a Vietnam Vet if he was as angry and filled with hate like I was. He said he still feels that anger and hate from the fall of Saigon. He said if probably won’t go away you just learn to accept it and live with it.
Sad to hear that. Props to you and your grandfather for serving in wars no-one wanted to. I never had family who served in Afghanistan, and the UK was never involved in Indochina, but I knew folks who were in Afghanistan, and I studied the war in Vietnam extensively until recently. Just sucks that it's always the top brass that makes the decisions while it's never the top brass that pay for their actions. Hope you both are doing well.
@@quangnguyentrung647 dude. Your name is a Vietnamese and you must know that 30th April is the Unification day. 2nd September is the real independence day.
I've met many Vietnam veterans in my lifetime but one stuck with me the most, at the time I was working as a loader at Lowe's Home Improvement and a man was paying with a veteran / military discount, I always make it a habit to always thank a veteran for their service since my uncle is also a vet who served in the U.S Ariborne, as I thanked the man for his service as he's paying he expresses his thanks for my graditude and I asked him since I noticed his hat, if he served in Vietnam, he told me stories about how he was drafted into the war and lost good friends in the conflict, I can't pretend to know what he went through nor could I imagine what he had seen but I know that the things he saw was so horrible that he damn near got emotional and I do not blame him. He told me if LBJ were still alive today and he saw him in person that he would spit in his face for putting him and others like him through that miserable war. After all he said, I told him word for word "I don't know what you went through but I do know how the people treated you when you came home and you didn't deserve that kind of treatment. So from the bottom of my heart I want to thank you for your service and all you did for this country." I could tell from his face and his appreciation for my gratitude that that was the thanks he had longed for. Veterans are real people folks, we can't imagine what they saw. If you see a veteran appreciate their service, because we will be the last generation they'll get to tell their stories too.
For some reason, the music along with the sound effects and the historical context really adds a human face to these events in ways that just reading about them in history books never can.
I work at a senior home and one of the residents there was some sort of field officer during the first half of the Vietnam war. There was a time his unit came across a pipe protruding the ground and he knew they were used to ventilate the tunnels the guerillas used to navigate the area. He had someone drop a grenade in the pipe and they carried on with their day. The next day they found the tunnel entrance and he sent a shorter fella to go into it and see what he could find. He told me that the guy came across a room in the tunnels that had the corpses of 2 teenage boys laying against the wall and directly underneath some kind of makeshift chimney. This resident definitely saw some shit. He's told me about how everyone would pick a partner and tie rope to each other so when you take turns sleeping behind enemy lines, you tug on the rope to quietly wake your partner. He said the black gentlemen in his unit were, by far, the toughest "Sons of Bitches" you can ask for. Now, he's cheating on his wife with another resident in our community. I don't know how he's still alive. The man has 2 bourbons for breakfast, another 2 for lunch, and around 5 for dinner.
@@Cam-im8io lol Thanks for the chuckle but the fact that Waffen SS wore American uniforms in WW2 to pull off some Hana Barbara cartoon shit behind enemy lines kind of voids that statement altogether. That's your precious Ubermensch right there 😂🤣
And as you're taking off in that last chopper, watching it all go to shit, the thought occurs: "every bit of mud, every drop of blood, all of it, literally, for fucking nothing."
I imagined this as if it were a COD Black ops mission, a soldier leaving in the helicopter as he looks down, saying those words as the screen turns white
Especially the truly helpless ones, the vietnamese civilians that couldn't escape their communist regime, who got massacred or got killed in the camps.
@@dusk6159 what, the helpless one is the South Vietnam and the America who kill over 1 milion innocent people just because think they vietcong and well turn the south into a mess
@@hochigaming14yearsago90 Strange, the vietnamese people laughed at these types of Active Measures and tried to desperately join the soldiers first in the South and then back to the US.
My mom and her mom left a small fishing village 3 miles out from Saigon. 3 days later Saigon fell. Her father didn't desert his post as he was part of the SVA navy. He promised to meet them in the United States. They ended up reuniting in the Philippines. My grandfather on my father's side was a marine. The war was unfortunate and a tragedy but without it i wouldn't be here.
Nah, 'we gotta get out of this place' is like when you're in the thick of it as an average infantrymen. Just getting through the daily grind trying to stay alive. 'House of the Rising sun' is more grandiose...like the final dramatic climax of a long struggle. The final departure so to speak.
Pretty sure my uncle served a tour in nam. He told me he would walk around the jungle with a flame thrower tank on his back that was empty. Guess he likes to intimidate. My neighbor was also a veteran. Came back PTSD all over. Saw him crawling around in the street once. Poor man must have seen some things.
There was another comment I read before that said something about a relative being seen crawling around after they came back, who knows, could coincidentially be your neighbor
Grandad was a vet in nam and fought 2 tours up until the chopper evac. When i got my first feel on a plane and got to go to the Philippines he was telling me stories about the evacs all while on the plane. He says he was one of many G.Is Who got separated in their assigned plane so they begged a force made up of Filipino service men to take them along the ride bound for Leyte, along with a small group of vietnamese citizens and filipino Doctors. Some of his Brothers in arms was still bloodied when they break a run for the airport so some filipino medics patched them up with bandages and gave bread to snack on, all the while the filipinos were singing a song to calm down civilians to not panic themselves midflight."They are a merry band of young good people" he said and took the time to learn their culture for three months on Cebu before getting called back to America. The way he says it...so full of energy.
i remember playing a game about the vietnamese war and the ending was like the americans nuking vietnam as house of the rising sun played in the background and credits also rolled
Beat it hippie , people kill other people for numereous reasons , some reasonable some less , but it isn't just "We HuMan BaD cUz WaR bAd" some war are justified ,some murder are and no we will never get along for numereous and valid reasons .
@@blackopscw7913 one of the helis that was in Kabul had exact same Bureau Number as the one who evacuated last from Saigon. So there a chance that this choper was part of both evacuations.
@MYSTIK >using wake up unironically Yes war is sometimes justified ya hippie, not saying that the vietnam or current wars are but some war are , if your country never went to war then your country would not even exist Yes some murder is justified not its not "tHe ElItEs" speaking through me its the fact that i studied history and that i am not a dumbaß* *altered for you know who
My old neighbor served in Vietnam. He was the nicest man you could've asked for. I really miss him. He never talked to me about what he had been through but whatever it was he didn't deserve. I'll never be able to say enough good things about him. I miss you Steve.
love that half of these comments are “fuck these wars are stupid” and the other half are “damn our soldiers got fucked over” I feel bad for the kids drafted but like I feel way worse for the Vietnamese
Most people who fought in Vietnam were not drafted, they volunteered. 2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers, and 70% of casualties were of volunteers.
this gives a genuine feeling that it is like the ending of a videogame: seeing the chopper on the horizon as it approaches the embassy,with the background music giving a genuine satisfaction that you did it-you finally got out of that hellhole:Vietnam.
In all honesty, the US should never have gotten involved in the first place. Or, in a round about way, gotten involved far sooner. Because Ho Chi Minh actually wrote to the US for help setting up a Vietnamese government outside of the French Indochinese cabinet. It was only when President Truman didn't respond because the letter never reached his desk that Minh and his followers went to Stalin instead and started to practice Marxist-Leninist Theory.
Imagine how the soldier that went through hell must've felt during the evacuation of Saigon. I would probably keep telling myself "I can't fkn die today, it's the last day in this hellhole".
Had a grandfather who was a Marine 1st LT during the time of Vietnam... When he came back, he didn't talk about his time over there, but he died in '02 and was given full honors in Arlington National Cemetery. Simper Fi, 1st LT Papa Don, hold the fort down up there in the sky, we'll see you then!
A family friend of mine passed away a few years ago. Served in Vietnam. His platoon was in the jungle when he stepped on a booby trap, was unconscious and dragged to safety. Once he woke up, he was informed by doctors that almost his entire platoon was wiped out by the VC in that jungle. His leg was damaged. But thankfully he survived. Dude was a nice guy from what I learned. Vietnams sacrifices won’t be forgotten.
The problem with modern wars is the fact that there is barely a defined front. The enemy could be behind you, and you wouldn't know it. Unlike WW2, where forward was the only way you had to go, fighting an enemy with clear and defined technology / equipment. You can tell a Nazi from a man, but you can't tell a terrorist from a civilian.
@@canthi109 yeah but they were *allied* and you never really had to worry about them. plus even if they look like civilian you're not here to fight them.
@@darkdialga777 Well I would say that the US was purely not virtuous in this case. On paper the Vietnam war was intended to stop the soviet block and China. The truth is ... not so much. If you know your Geopolitics, you'd know that Vietnam is inherently anti chinese, the Chinese war right after the Vietnam war proved that. The Soviet block was on it's way out now that the 1st Afgan war failed, and the East Germany was failing hard. Here's the crucial thing, during the Vietnamese independence from French colonial celebration, there was an American General overseeing it. The Vietnamese declaration of independence took certain articles from the American declaration of independence (translated of course). The American mediator in Vietnam directly told American high command that Vietnam would be a valuable ally against China, despite being communist. The rest is history. So no the Vietnam war didn't have to happen and people died for poor leadership.
My mother is a Saigon survivor, I always asked about our Vietnamese side and if she remembers anything, only thing to this day she will tell me is she heard stuff, she was born in ho chi Minh city and was most like evacuated out by my grandpa on the US side, I'm 25 and she to this day will never talk about it.
She wouldn't want you to call it HCM city if she was actually a refugee. Imagine Kyiv is taken over now and half of Ukraine leave the country, they wouldn't want their children to call it Kiev.
This is still one of my favourite songs of all time. There's something about music from this era thats just so powerful, in its meaning and message that it produces something timeless...
You want this to pick on those string of your heart even more? See that chopper? That's 154038. It flew its last mission in 2021... From the US embassy in Kabul to the Kabul Airport, after which it was disabled permanently.
N38TU, ex 154038 is still around, still in the hangar it was filmed in the same day they evacuated. The heli hasnt been destroyed, and is still recoverable. Hell, once the taliban (who literally want to reopen the airport to international flights now, but they havent gotten any) actually get the airport open, itll probably be recovered and slapped somewhere in a museum.
My grandpa served in the army during 'Nam and was normally the gunner on a Chinook. He made it out alive only because only because one day he was sick and his best friend volunteered to take his place in a patrol. When he came home, he ended up beating up some cops during a PTSD flashback. Went to prison, and had to get a job on the oil rigs when he got out. Now, he has Parkinson's Disease and can barely walk.
You know how some songs sometimes you can almost feel the essence of the era, the weight of the meaning behind the tone...thats what Vietnam War music is. _A product of its time, that brought us something timeless..._
My great grandpa was in vietnam, he was not on the american side, he was on the Vietnamese side, I actually know nothing about his experience but in 2018 i visited him for the 1st time ever, and i only know about him serving because of a portrait of him in his home, he died in his late 90's only a week after i visited him, i only saw him that one time, i wish i knew more of his story
Perhaps a bit of foreshadowing with that background since that chopper and the one seen in all those Kabul embassy videos are the same. The exact same. All we needed to do was wait 4 more years and it would've been exactly 50 years apart.
My stepfather was in, 67-68,69-70. I think he was in the battle of cedar falls, and i KNOW he was in junction city. He used to tell me stories. Like the one time him & his platoon bunked down at night, something woke them, and 40 dudes all opened up on whatever was in the darkness, and went back to sleep. In the morning, his platoon found out they killed a nearby village’s water buffalo. So since my stepdad could cook, i guess him & a fee buddies went & prepared at least a week’s worth of meat for the entirety of the village. Steak, ham, bacon, burgers, everything you could think of. At about 65 yrs old i watched him fall from a 2x4 he had haphazardly placed while doing construction. *he caught himself* What i didnt know was that on his last night in nam his platoon was wiped out. He got hurt, was being medevac’d, and while waiting for the bird, a whole batallion of NVA rolled up on them at night. He was the only survivor from what i know. Rest in piece Ruben. I hope you were proud of me becoming a medic, and growing as a person. Hope.
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The only difference between the war in Vietnam and the war in Afghanistan is that Vietnam had the better soundtrack.
Tell that to the song 21 guns.
depends on which Afghan war you choose. Try "who will save the world" by Modern talking.
And Vietnam had way more drafting
And one had trees that spoke Vietnamese and the other had sand dunes that spoke Afghan
@@blackopscw7913 who?
My dad would always complain in air ports: “ why is everyone so frantic to get on the plane? This isn’t the last plane out of Vietnam.”
Plot twist :you are in kabul
@@zneaxbruh5554 plot twist your in taipei 2038
@@Ok-but Are you a time traveler?!
@@Ok-but screenshotted so i can confirm this
@@Armageddon_71 nah he ain't. Thats gonn happen in the next ten years not twenty
Now do: when you’re on the roof of the Kabul embassy waiting for the last chopper.
Pumped Up Kicks but you're on the roof of the Kabul Embassy waiting for the last chopper out of there
Would need a good song for that, but I like the idea.
@@karpi470 Cat's in the Cradle or Two out of Three ain't Bad?
Edit: Mybe even The Times They Are A-Changin'
@@karpi470 Should I stay or should I go by The Clash?
@@karpi470 maybe Dylan’s version of this song
25 fucking years, and all we did was repeat history.
Welcome to hell.
@@tearex8688 here here.
History is the only perpettum mobile that works
Vietnam and Afghanistan are nothing more than the dying gasps of the greatest nation the world has ever known. All good things must come to an end and we're seeing the United States come to an end.
@@prylosecorsomething3194 as I said earlier in this comment thread, here here.
It's especially heartbreaking to think of how these guys were treated when they came home. Literally could never catch a break
@Awawawa CM and your politicians didn't rape and poison Vietnamese people, it was all done by soldiers. Your politicians prefer to rape and poison American children, so they are not to be blamed.
@@jamesoprey6330 Those whom live in glass houses shall not throw stones
@@jamesoprey6330 Polish Partition,Finland ,Afghanistan,Czechoslovakia are surely defensivein nature
@@jamesoprey6330 seethe, commie.
@@jamesoprey6330 horseshoe theory confirmed
My neighbor was in some sort of Spec Ops. Unit during Vietnam. He was tasked to go do a deep recon into the jungles of South Vietnam. While he was in the jungle with his small squad. The Frontline basically moved on without him and he got caught behind enemy lines. So his squad had to break through the NVA's lines twice over. And when he got back to Saigon it was in the middle of being sieged and the US Military already withdrew. So he had to evacuate with the Civilians on rafts and paddle out the Ships off the coast. Long story short this whole ordeal really fucked him up and he came back home with PTSD. He was seen low crawling in the street. And doing some overall depressing shit. He died of a heart attack not to long ago. The shit he must've seen man.
So MACV-SOG?
@@bodhimeme3385 No fucking clue, Everything I heard about him is from family, towns people. Just a lot of hearsay
@@griffinpomisel2322 jesus alright then i guess we can assume its MACV or some other skeleton crew
may he rest in peace
Damn I got some sorta shock when I read he was crawling on the streets while I listening to radio chatter and the music in the video.
We went from "Fortunate Son" to "House of the Rising Sun" real quick.
How the turntables.
from celebrating america to recognising what australia did
@@kruisader3917 Wait, did what?
@@banga-a-bang-a209 I'm guessing he means the ANZAC involvement in Vietnam, those guys did amazing over there, but their efforts typically go un noticed when compared to the USA. tbf, there were a lot less anzacs than there were USA in Vietnam. Look up the battle of long tan, amazing story.
Fortunate son entering the war and house of the rising sun exiting the war. Very depressing.
Fortunate son is precisely about how fucked it was that it was the ones that came from lower socioeconomic would end up being stuck fighting a war they didn't care for. It sounds cool but the whole song is basically a big fuck you to the institutions in place that fed American lives to a pointless proxy war
House on the Rising Sun is about a brothel in New Orleans (the original version).
Next do: “Blinding lights” but your the last marine staffing the Kabul McDonalds
*Last woman Staffing the Kabul mcdonalds
ramirez must hold the line at burgertown
@@travisjohnson622 still a soldier
@@Callsign_Bear went over your head. The fact that she's a woman and working at any job in Afghanistan, major reason to shit. Soldier, or cleaning the toilets. As soon as the talibanzo rolled up those burkas were FLYIN!!! of the shelves.
@@gluk8838 "Ramirez prepare that victory burger"
History repeats itself
History doesn't repeat but sure as hell rhymes
@@sherwingalceran2565 oh it does. if you eat a rotten apple and dont learn from it youll consantly eat the rotten apple hoping its good
@@WillCheadle Once someone try's the rotten apple you would try the rotten peach, the next will try the rotten pear...
Only pawns change
People repeat themselves.
The fact that House of the Rising Sun is very popular among old people here in Vietnam.
The vietnam war brought a whole new genre of music to vietnam. As Americans played rock music on the radio and left some behind, the local vietnamese would eventually combine it with their own local music to make something new. For example songs like this
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@@thaksjtube Really interesting bit of trivia and a great music recommendation, thanks!
@@thaksjtube that is obviously a Rick roll
Literally came from a comment in a video about the Kwait fields....
Community is amazing
Same, bro
SAME BROO
same bro
Aaron a real one
I saw that too
God, do I love videos with lore behind them.
Is this what we are calling the history now, lore? I like it.
@@beojack4592 proxy war lore
@@beojack4592 This was made based on a comment left on another video
@Enigma Christian lore is insane but good
The internet was a mistake
grandpa: we had to be evacuated from the capital of a foreign country in asia because the capital fell to the people we were fighting for years.
grandson: we had to be evacuated from the capital of a foreign country in asia because the capital fell to the people we were fighting for years.
i dont get it
@@hairi_deathwish9650 History repeated itself, thus the joke
@@ricardopeixotopereira2444 thanks,i guess it makes sense "History doesnt repeat but it's ryhme"
we were fighting for 20 years
damn looks like the dad got lucky
Fun Fact: Those soldiers didn't have a radio. Really. That could have ended badly
The technology already existed didn't it?
@@kita7647 It did, but it wasn't exactly the height of portability.
@@MachineMan-mj4gj Oh, makes sense.
fun fact:
@@MachineMan-mj4gj Man portable radios existed since WW2
history doesnt repeat but it sure as hell does rhyme
History plays out always twice: First time as a Failure, second as a tragedy
Karl Marx
@@nike5772 third time as a comedy
@@hectorramos3436 Oh yeah WWIII is gonna be funny as hell
when you don't cite the person the quote comes from a baby dies.
What are you doing here slayer, there is no choppa in argent d'nur
The average age of a US soldier in Vietnam was 19 years old. They were just becoming adults and were then forced to fight for nothing in a rich man’s war
A rich man's war payed for in the blood and brain of poor souls across the globe. My heart goes out to those kids who had to lose their innocence in the worst way possible, in the inferno.
A rich man's war? Voters could have stopped it any time but they didn't. Most people support wars and are bloodthirsty until they go bad, then they pretend they never supported them in the first place.
@@Bready3000 young men support war more than any other demographic
@Xx xX it's not merely just capitalism, it's the disgusting nature of any overly privileged body. Even the Soviet Union, the men who so demonized western ways, sent multitudes of their youngest and poorest to their death. All in the name of preaching to the world how much their system can better their lives, ironically. The follies of nationalism and militarism are repeated and contorted throughout history, all still made of the same material.
And all the while the people talking about peace and love abused them, harassed them, and condemned them for shit a tiny fraction did after snapping under the stress.
Never forget what the "common folk" did to these poor SOBs.
I don't have any memories of my dad. He died in a POW camp in hanoi during the war when I was barely able to walk. He wasnt even there when I took my first steps, or my 3rd birthday, or 4th, etc. I've heard stories but even then I can't imagine what it was like to go through that, Vietnam was a cruel war, our troops fought overseas and then at home. He didnt leave us with much; his only keepsake had been a gold wristwatch my great grandfather wore, an A-11 lancet, one of the first trenchwatches during WW1. It had been passed down through my family to my dad. This watch is incredibly important to me, and my family.
My dad didnt want the Vietnamese to have the watch when he was captured, so he hid it the only place he could (you can guess where.) For 5 years he kept that watch there, hiding it, before ultimately dying of dysentery. Before going, he turned to his captain who had also been captured, and told him to pass the watch down to me. "When you're in a situation like that with another man, you take on the other's responsibilities." The captain then took the watch and hid it in the same place, barely fitting it in there, for another 2 years, before he was free.
When I met the captain, he gave the watch to me, and told me all of this. He said that had he died and my father lived, my father would be the one visiting the captain's son. I cant really tell you much about my dad, but I can about the watch. And how it means the world to me.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
@@jonyahraus4283 It's from Pulp Fiction lmao
@@Sykroid I knew that story sounded familiar I’m an idiot lmaooo
@@jonyahraus4283 You are a beautiful person who trusts ass-watches too much
@@Sykroid nah I literally watched the movie when I was like 16 with my dad, I should’ve gotten the reference 😂 thank you for your kindness though
My Grandfather is good friends with the soldier who was the last man out of Vietnam. His name is James Parker I think. I never met the guy and I don't even know if he's alive anymore, but from what I remember he wrote a book about his experience in Vietnam and the return home after. My Grandfather wasn't a soldier, but he served in the air force as a mechanic and told me about how he used to hide from enemy artillery fire and even showed me a big old piece of shrapnel he brought back from the war. Crazy shit.
Damn, my respects to him and all the veterans
If he served, he was a soldier. Don't have to be Frontline infantry to be a soldier. If you serve, you serve. Your MOS doesn't mean you're any less of a soldier than another. Each job in the armed services supports one another, each has it's part to play.
Makes you really think about all those poor fuckers we've dropped napalm on
@@NateRiversforRever No. Soldier is for the army solely. That's like calling a sailor an airman.
@@oliverb.8995 I mean, if you want to segregate it that far. You can very much generalize all armed forces as soldiers honestly.
It's whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. Also, when you gonna finish my goddamn background check?? 🤔🤔🤔
Update: Two weeks ago they finally got it through. Thanks FBI 🙏
I never thought a meme would send me down a rabbit hole of reading about historical events for 40 minutes but here we are
Same
Seeing everyone posting personal stories I guess I will share mine. My uncle was an Army Ranger and served in Vietnam. As a young and dumb kid (about 12 years old) I asked him if he saw much combat in Vietnam. He responded with “yeah I saw a bunch of dead people”. Thinking he misunderstood me, I asked the question again and he responded with the same answer. Was definitely an eye opening moment for me. War is hell and is unfortunately over sensationalized in our media.
Over sensationalized in media, and very unfortunately underfunded back home with mental/physical help to all the veterans that now suffer lifelong effects.
Rising storm 2 and you somehow lose siagon to VC during the early war.
Fucking hate that map
hardest map to attack as VC, the spawncamping is horrible
@@SniperFallen06 walls are paper thin
@@SniperFallen06 its really alpha that's the problem, its objectively the hardest point in the game to capture as Vietcong. There is a way to do it but its really hard, if you can time it right do a combo of commander abilities, starting first by activating trail, then dropping arty and rushing onto the point to ambush. If you are able to time it right you can normally get alpha. Bravo gets a little bit more easy due to the fact you can flank on the left and assault through the basement. Again the best bet is using the same strategy as alpha saving your aa for spook if they have it. Charlie is hard to take if you allow the enemy to fortify it and delta is a joke, the best bet is to sprint into charlie and ambush if you still have it, delta can be taken super easy especially if you have an arty strike. As for the presidential palace your best bet is to climb the pipes and ambush everyone on top of the roof, really good because they never expect it and you are basically guaranteeing that the us cant drop spook napalm or arty on you. Its unlikely that you will end up holding both the roof and the ground for long so if you ever get one the entire focus should then divert to just rushing on to the ground point.
@@royalpain6338 I learned how to attack saigon cause I had never seen it fall and once you know how to do it , it aint hard. A has to be pushed with a whole squad through the east, where the two houses are and going throughout the back of the embassy towards the second floor. Once you reach that, got to clear the whole second floor. Once that is done, A falls easily, even with pushes from the center.
B has to be taken climbing the pipes in the front of the point, need some decent people as snipers or using the mosin to clear the second floor windows, that's the biggest deal of B cause if they stick there its almost impossible to take. Once one or two squads climb the second floor and start shooting to the first, B is easily taken.
C and D, D is the easiest by far, most of the times isnt even defended. But if that's the case just flank through the east street going behind the houses, take a spot and clear the back road. Lot of people go through there to defend D, once the street is clear is just pushing with smokes or an arty, but its never a hard point to take.
C is much easier than many people think, if you have a machinegunner, take it to the police station rooftop and start making some suppression into C, all those walls are wallbang so by just shooting at them he is doing plenty of work. The rest of the squad/team only has to flank into the street on the left, which ussually no one defends and it goes straight into an entrance to C, even you can place some tunnels close to it. Once you get in c, got to neutralize the ones coming, leave a guy covering the entrance and start clearing all of the floors, nades are really important here. Once the entrance has been covered all you got to do is push through the stairs until you take it, there isnt much to do as a defender specially because it is indoors, so no arty or napalm.
E and F : There are some different ways to take these points, if your commander is good and knows the map once D and C is taken he would be already at F calling you to suicide so he can ambush the whole team in. That's almost always instawin. If not, use the tunnels that are in the middle of D and C, that go into E's entrances, place a good tunnel and clear E side entrance. You dont have to be Rambo and stick there, but climb throughout the stairs on the side of the building, those stairs are the vital spot of these two points. If you have control on it, the enemies wont be able to get into E or even F, what I recommend is if you are a sapper go and place several landmines on the stair, almost nobody checks and you got plenty of free kills there.
After you taken the whole stairs you will be on F and there isnt so much left, just after clearing the rooms that are close, stick to the hall and shoot the enemies that are coming, that's the only way to get into F as defenders, so its a one-way hall where you got the advantage.
The other thing is , once you taken e you can climb the pipes on the front of the building into the rooftop, that makes easier to clear F, but isnt as safe as using the stairs to clear the most part of the enemies.
And, that's all. Saigon seems intimidating and I think its the best map of RS2 by far, but once you know what to do instead of going into the middle like a meatgrinder its winnable.
My grandpa was a Lieutenant for the South Vietnamese Navy, when Vietnam fell to the communist he was captured and put in prison. Luckily, he escaped the country with the help of some people and took a boat to Malaysia. He later then went to America to start over again. I thank my grandpa for what he did because without him I wouldn’t be here today.
@Hoang Minh Dao Mine was an APC driver in the South Vietnamese Rangers, was about to be a Second Lieutenant but the war ended, got sent to reeducation camp and got out. Sometimes I wonder what would've happened if the South had won, would we have become like South Korea?
@@hellish512 More like Philippines, i would say, judging by how corrupted the South Vietnam government back then.
@@hellish512 Oh common, after the North took control, indeed the government had some poor decisions. But Vietnam today is really prospering.
@Michele Portulano Fuck Socialism, even Vietnam knows capitalism is better
Hello , my grandpa was a Captain of USSR special forces in Vietnam 🇻🇳)
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"Rock the Casbah" but you're on the roof of the Kabul embassy waiting for the last chopper.
Back in high school, I played that song all the time. Would annoy the heck out of my classmates and neighbors. Good times.
Definitely
War Pigs but you're stranded in Kabul after the last helicopter left without you
Damn that is spot on 😥
They wouldn't leave any servicemember behind. It would be too much of a propaganda stunt for the enemy.
@@Briselance They did though.
Do you seriously believe there weren't men left behind?
@@Briselance military dogs get left behind
It was one of the most successful evacs in history. They took a lot of afghans as well.
Heck I'd say US doctrine of pulling out has definitely improved if nothing else.
I bet the Vietnam vets were disappointed to see the same situation play out 60 years later
lofi beats to cry/ get ptsd to
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The chopper seen in this photo is the exact same one that flew over the Kabul embassy. Not same type, exact same aircraft. It was also its last mission before it was destroyed in Kabul Airport
Not to be that guy but not sure where you're getting that...
Pictured is a CH-46 Sea Knight; the Marines stopped using those years before the fall of Kabul. The helicopter from the infamous picture of Kabul was a CH-47 Chinook in Army service. Very similar looking airframes but not the same bird.
@@Ted_II nope. N38TU (BuNo 154038) was the last helicopter out of Saigon. And flew the last evac mission from the Kabul Embassy. N38TU was left to rot in Afghanistan after being abandoned, too far to fly to escape unopposed, she still sits at an abandoned airbase, waiting for her time.
And no, she was not a Marine Corps helicopter when abandoned. She was a Dep't of State Air Wing chopper.
@@magnum6763 State Department... that makes more sense. Huh, interesting. And uncanny.
@@Ted_II it is kinda weird that a non military aircraft was flying people out of Kabul, but it wasnt really carrying troops out. only civillians
Grandpa was apart of the 1st Marine division came back home and became an alcoholic and the thing is he was drafted didn't even want to fight and came back home with a purple heart and I think most of his brothers and cousins were drafted there too. His brother died recently and first time he came to me and said " Sorry if I start to crying for no reason " I believe he was in the army not sure but you can see how messed up they are decades after.
Ask your Grandfather if he wants to talk
@@boreal3255 or let him run through those cycles of pain and flashbacks alone. Great idea
@@boreal3255 why don't?
he could act like a man and spend some time in jail
@@VasiliMargelov You should try spending some time in a 1960's jail, tough guy.
Another good one would be “The End” by the Doors
Or Goodnight Saigon.
@@jonathanpinckney9227 that wasn’t made prior or during the Fall of Saigon tho
@@Kabutoes Never said it was. I thought it would be fitting.
Fracis Ford Coppola would agree I think hahah
@@jonathanpinckney9227 that is a nice vibe
what type of video genre is this? i love the edgy military feel to it, does anyone know whats it called? and where can i find more?
The genre is "government and elites screw us up every time".
doomer music i guess fits to this. it will mostly be 1980-early 2000 russian war music but still
Search for the channel "Jormungandr". He's been doing this for a while
Look up jormungandr
I'll recommend majorsamm for war footage with music.
I’m a US marine who got out of the service a few months before the fall of Kabul. I asked my grandfather who was a Vietnam Vet if he was as angry and filled with hate like I was. He said he still feels that anger and hate from the fall of Saigon. He said if probably won’t go away you just learn to accept it and live with it.
Sad to hear that. Props to you and your grandfather for serving in wars no-one wanted to. I never had family who served in Afghanistan, and the UK was never involved in Indochina, but I knew folks who were in Afghanistan, and I studied the war in Vietnam extensively until recently. Just sucks that it's always the top brass that makes the decisions while it's never the top brass that pay for their actions. Hope you both are doing well.
Vietnam kicked out its invaders. May the former invader die angry.
Get got lol
I love how Saigon fell lol. U.S. had no right being there to begin with
you was angry because you can't shoot afghan kids anymore?
to feel strange emotions: listen to this April 30th, full volume and eyes closed
yes of course, how could i forget to clothe my eyes
@@lightningvini comedy
@@Coop-sg6qc it was funny
April 30th?
ain't that the Vietnamese independent day?
@@quangnguyentrung647 dude. Your name is a Vietnamese and you must know that 30th April is the Unification day. 2nd September is the real independence day.
I've met many Vietnam veterans in my lifetime but one stuck with me the most, at the time I was working as a loader at Lowe's Home Improvement and a man was paying with a veteran / military discount, I always make it a habit to always thank a veteran for their service since my uncle is also a vet who served in the U.S Ariborne, as I thanked the man for his service as he's paying he expresses his thanks for my graditude and I asked him since I noticed his hat, if he served in Vietnam, he told me stories about how he was drafted into the war and lost good friends in the conflict, I can't pretend to know what he went through nor could I imagine what he had seen but I know that the things he saw was so horrible that he damn near got emotional and I do not blame him. He told me if LBJ were still alive today and he saw him in person that he would spit in his face for putting him and others like him through that miserable war.
After all he said, I told him word for word "I don't know what you went through but I do know how the people treated you when you came home and you didn't deserve that kind of treatment. So from the bottom of my heart I want to thank you for your service and all you did for this country." I could tell from his face and his appreciation for my gratitude that that was the thanks he had longed for.
Veterans are real people folks, we can't imagine what they saw. If you see a veteran appreciate their service, because we will be the last generation they'll get to tell their stories too.
man im a history buff but this just makes me depressed more than just reading about the atrocities both sides commited :(
For some reason, the music along with the sound effects and the historical context really adds a human face to these events in ways that just reading about them in history books never can.
Both sides?
@@hathucquan5350 Napalm sticks to kids
@@DisplayLine6.13.9 US military accidentally invaded our country for "the world's greater good"
@@hathucquan5350 everyone make mistakes u know
I work at a senior home and one of the residents there was some sort of field officer during the first half of the Vietnam war. There was a time his unit came across a pipe protruding the ground and he knew they were used to ventilate the tunnels the guerillas used to navigate the area. He had someone drop a grenade in the pipe and they carried on with their day. The next day they found the tunnel entrance and he sent a shorter fella to go into it and see what he could find. He told me that the guy came across a room in the tunnels that had the corpses of 2 teenage boys laying against the wall and directly underneath some kind of makeshift chimney. This resident definitely saw some shit. He's told me about how everyone would pick a partner and tie rope to each other so when you take turns sleeping behind enemy lines, you tug on the rope to quietly wake your partner. He said the black gentlemen in his unit were, by far, the toughest "Sons of Bitches" you can ask for. Now, he's cheating on his wife with another resident in our community. I don't know how he's still alive. The man has 2 bourbons for breakfast, another 2 for lunch, and around 5 for dinner.
That guy is rad
Wrong, white guys are the most honourable in war in best fighters, cut out the sjw bs
@@Cam-im8io lol Thanks for the chuckle but the fact that Waffen SS wore American uniforms in WW2 to pull off some Hana Barbara cartoon shit behind enemy lines kind of voids that statement altogether. That's your precious Ubermensch right there 😂🤣
Lol
only 2 for breakfast? Am I…am I an alcoholic?
One of the four horsemen of Vietnam songs.
Born In The USA, Fortunate Son, Camouflage, and this masterpiece.
HO HO HO CHI MINH
HO HO HO CHI MINH
HO HOOOOO HOO CHII MIIIIIINH
don’t forget surfin’ bird
Another Animals' song:' We gotta get out of this place' was a noted anthem too.
CCR, The Animals, Rolling Stones, ...in my humble opinion.
Half Life: Opposing Force OST:Storm but youre a SAS soldier arriving to the Iranian Embassy Siege in a blackhawk helicopter.
found the GoldSrc enjoyer
It seems that I've found a true man of culture
@@g_abe. “MY ASS IS HEAVY!”
ah yes,i found a Man Of Culture
Is that half life reference????
“History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.”
- Mark Twain
There's an eerie sense of hopelessness, and it gives me chills.
And as you're taking off in that last chopper, watching it all go to shit, the thought occurs:
"every bit of mud, every drop of blood, all of it, literally, for fucking nothing."
I imagined this as if it were a COD Black ops mission, a soldier leaving in the helicopter as he looks down, saying those words as the screen turns white
Imagine using the same Chinook for the same kind of operation decades later, only to leave it behind for the enemy to capture/cannibalize.
Rest in peace to all the Vietnamese ppl who lost their life and also the americans who were drafted
Especially the truly helpless ones, the vietnamese civilians that couldn't escape their communist regime, who got massacred or got killed in the camps.
@@dusk6159 what, the helpless one is the South Vietnam and the America who kill over 1 milion innocent people just because think they vietcong and well turn the south into a mess
@@dusk6159 or the civilians who were wrongly killed in US airstrikes?
@@hochigaming14yearsago90 Strange, the vietnamese people laughed at these types of Active Measures and tried to desperately join the soldiers first in the South and then back to the US.
@@dusk6159 laughed at their children being killed in airstrikes, yeah. Strange. Dumbass
My mom and her mom left a small fishing village 3 miles out from Saigon. 3 days later Saigon fell. Her father didn't desert his post as he was part of the SVA navy. He promised to meet them in the United States. They ended up reuniting in the Philippines. My grandfather on my father's side was a marine. The war was unfortunate and a tragedy but without it i wouldn't be here.
I feel like this is the song that would play in your head if you were on the roof of the Saigon embassy waiting for the last chopper too
This is great
“All along the wachtower” by Jimmy Hendrix but you’re on a night patrol in the jungles and it’s raining and silent
Hell yes.
i love when its a meme on the surface with a whole depressing iceberg of lore underneath
"We gotta get out of this place." Would've been better imo.
Nah, this is more dramatic
too happy tho
Nah, 'we gotta get out of this place' is like when you're in the thick of it as an average infantrymen. Just getting through the daily grind trying to stay alive.
'House of the Rising sun' is more grandiose...like the final dramatic climax of a long struggle. The final departure so to speak.
I'm from Vietnam and House of the Rising Sun is one of my favourite songs. This seems like it was specifically made for me lol
The question is who asked where are you from?
@@artyom3171 edgy kid on scene
I heard Vietnamese people like this song in general
@@Demons972 It’s a really “middle-aged dad” song here lol
@@braniac8606 dayum but i'm not a dad nor middle aged lmao
Pretty sure my uncle served a tour in nam. He told me he would walk around the jungle with a flame thrower tank on his back that was empty. Guess he likes to intimidate. My neighbor was also a veteran. Came back PTSD all over. Saw him crawling around in the street once. Poor man must have seen some things.
There was another comment I read before that said something about a relative being seen crawling around after they came back, who knows, could coincidentially be your neighbor
Grandad was a vet in nam and fought 2 tours up until the chopper evac. When i got my first feel on a plane and got to go to the Philippines he was telling me stories about the evacs all while on the plane. He says he was one of many G.Is Who got separated in their assigned plane so they begged a force made up of Filipino service men to take them along the ride bound for Leyte, along with a small group of vietnamese citizens and filipino Doctors. Some of his Brothers in arms was still bloodied when they break a run for the airport so some filipino medics patched them up with bandages and gave bread to snack on, all the while the filipinos were singing a song to calm down civilians to not panic themselves midflight."They are a merry band of young good people" he said and took the time to learn their culture for three months on Cebu before getting called back to America. The way he says it...so full of energy.
killing kids have bad effects on mental health, may they burn in hell
“So you worked in a Orlean Casino huh?”
“Well it’s not that different from Nam; everyday is always a gamble.”
“Fuck off Redgey.”
“The temperature in Saigon is 105 degrees and rising.”
Feels like an ending scene to a military video game/movie
i remember playing a game about the vietnamese war and the ending was like the americans nuking vietnam as house of the rising sun played in the background and credits also rolled
@@prentoniann And then everyone clapped
A combination of my favorite song, and the war that changed my country of origin. Well played man.
The same exact chopper used to get out of Saigon was just used to get out of Afghanistan. Why are humans like this, why do we kill each other.
Beat it hippie , people kill other people for numereous reasons , some reasonable some less , but it isn't just "We HuMan BaD cUz WaR bAd" some war are justified ,some murder are and no we will never get along for numereous and valid reasons .
Nope, thats a CH-46 Sea Knight not a CH-47 Chinook like your thinking of.
@@blackopscw7913 one of the helis that was in Kabul had exact same Bureau Number as the one who evacuated last from Saigon. So there a chance that this choper was part of both evacuations.
@MYSTIK >using wake up unironically
Yes war is sometimes justified ya hippie, not saying that the vietnam or current wars are but some war are , if your country never went to war then your country would not even exist
Yes some murder is justified not its not "tHe ElItEs" speaking through me its the fact that i studied history and that i am not a dumbaß*
*altered for you know who
@@Twasforthevine playing hearts of iron 4 does not count
My old neighbor served in Vietnam. He was the nicest man you could've asked for. I really miss him. He never talked to me about what he had been through but whatever it was he didn't deserve. I'll never be able to say enough good things about him. I miss you Steve.
love that half of these comments are “fuck these wars are stupid” and the other half are “damn our soldiers got fucked over” I feel bad for the kids drafted but like I feel way worse for the Vietnamese
I feel bad for both
Most people who fought in Vietnam were not drafted, they volunteered. 2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers, and 70% of casualties were of volunteers.
Time is a spiral, the details change but you can still see the same patterns.
"It Was a Good Day" but Bloods just drive-by you
this gives a genuine feeling that it is like the ending of a videogame: seeing the chopper on the horizon as it approaches the embassy,with the background music giving a genuine satisfaction that you did it-you finally got out of that hellhole:Vietnam.
Could you imagine how cool a game about ‘Nam would be? I’d play it in a heartbeat. Just the possibility of the songs that could be in it…
WAOW JUST LIKE FUCKIGN BIDEO GAME!!!???? EPIC!!!!!!!!
@@aawagga6841 war copied call of duty video game came first
@@ohjesusfuckohgodno5796 ww2 was a crazy reference to cod
I just got the chills when the instruments started playing. It's almost like an ending, and you can survive this .
"Es gibt ein Haus in Neu Berlin".
My grandparent fought for the VC when he saw the last chopper of US leave,It was the happiest day of his life
Nice
My grandpa was in the Vietcong too! He wasn't at Saigon, but he was happy when he heard the news.
@@jonathanphan8754 no hard feelings for single handedly bombing your country into rubble?
In all honesty, the US should never have gotten involved in the first place. Or, in a round about way, gotten involved far sooner. Because Ho Chi Minh actually wrote to the US for help setting up a Vietnamese government outside of the French Indochinese cabinet. It was only when President Truman didn't respond because the letter never reached his desk that Minh and his followers went to Stalin instead and started to practice Marxist-Leninist Theory.
Must have been wild
This is what I listen to every morning while getting ready for the day
Dude imagine this at the end of a movie
Imagine how the soldier that went through hell must've felt during the evacuation of Saigon. I would probably keep telling myself "I can't fkn die today, it's the last day in this hellhole".
Imagine having fought for so long just to leave like nothing... Must be a bitter-sweet feeling.
I always tell them Welcome Home since intially they didn't get that
Had a grandfather who was a Marine 1st LT during the time of Vietnam... When he came back, he didn't talk about his time over there, but he died in '02 and was given full honors in Arlington National Cemetery. Simper Fi, 1st LT Papa Don, hold the fort down up there in the sky, we'll see you then!
he is rotting in hell with the rest of his baby killer fellow soldiers
I just love internet for such things
late 60s music man cant be beat
That moment when you realize that the Vietnam War lasted long enough that he'd probably be hearing Disco as he was waiting for the evac
A family friend of mine passed away a few years ago. Served in Vietnam. His platoon was in the jungle when he stepped on a booby trap, was unconscious and dragged to safety. Once he woke up, he was informed by doctors that almost his entire platoon was wiped out by the VC in that jungle. His leg was damaged. But thankfully he survived. Dude was a nice guy from what I learned. Vietnams sacrifices won’t be forgotten.
I love how during the organ solo the radio traffic goes crazy
The photo in the backround makes me chill , i dont know why but i feel its relaxing. Cold weather with gunfire on backround with a little fog
It wint as pretty as you think
I'm not American nor I have any connection with the Vietnam War but this still left me in tears...
The problem with modern wars is the fact that there is barely a defined front.
The enemy could be behind you, and you wouldn't know it.
Unlike WW2, where forward was the only way you had to go, fighting an enemy with clear and defined technology / equipment.
You can tell a Nazi from a man, but you can't tell a terrorist from a civilian.
Allies partisan: am a joke to you?
@@canthi109 yeah but they were *allied* and you never really had to worry about them. plus even if they look like civilian you're not here to fight them.
Ah yes, people that fight to get rid of an army that invaded their country: terrorists, if anything the US forces are the terrorists.
@@untraceablefgc-9mkii251 oh. wow! it's almost like there is no such thing as a purely virtuous war, and war in and of itself is a horrid crime.
@@darkdialga777 Well I would say that the US was purely not virtuous in this case. On paper the Vietnam war was intended to stop the soviet block and China. The truth is ... not so much. If you know your Geopolitics, you'd know that Vietnam is inherently anti chinese, the Chinese war right after the Vietnam war proved that. The Soviet block was on it's way out now that the 1st Afgan war failed, and the East Germany was failing hard. Here's the crucial thing, during the Vietnamese independence from French colonial celebration, there was an American General overseeing it. The Vietnamese declaration of independence took certain articles from the American declaration of independence (translated of course). The American mediator in Vietnam directly told American high command that Vietnam would be a valuable ally against China, despite being communist. The rest is history. So no the Vietnam war didn't have to happen and people died for poor leadership.
beautiful
Glad my grandpa managed to get into the navy by making a deal with the recruiter when he got drafted. He still is alive and healthy today
“ aint no winnin’ here, just who die and who dont.”
My mother is a Saigon survivor, I always asked about our Vietnamese side and if she remembers anything, only thing to this day she will tell me is she heard stuff, she was born in ho chi Minh city and was most like evacuated out by my grandpa on the US side, I'm 25 and she to this day will never talk about it.
She was probably raped or worse, sorry
She wouldn't want you to call it HCM city if she was actually a refugee. Imagine Kyiv is taken over now and half of Ukraine leave the country, they wouldn't want their children to call it Kiev.
Your mother was ashamed she betrayed Vietnam and paid the price in exile.
this is quite relevant
This is still one of my favourite songs of all time.
There's something about music from this era thats just so powerful, in its meaning and message that it produces something timeless...
At least the Vietnam Vets got to rock out. The WW2 vets had to try to get hyped to Sinatra and Crosby.
“The best art comes from suffering.”
You want this to pick on those string of your heart even more? See that chopper? That's 154038. It flew its last mission in 2021... From the US embassy in Kabul to the Kabul Airport, after which it was disabled permanently.
N38TU, ex 154038 is still around, still in the hangar it was filmed in the same day they evacuated. The heli hasnt been destroyed, and is still recoverable. Hell, once the taliban (who literally want to reopen the airport to international flights now, but they havent gotten any) actually get the airport open, itll probably be recovered and slapped somewhere in a museum.
That was the same Chinook that evacuated the American embassy in Kabul
My grandpa served in the army during 'Nam and was normally the gunner on a Chinook. He made it out alive only because only because one day he was sick and his best friend volunteered to take his place in a patrol.
When he came home, he ended up beating up some cops during a PTSD flashback. Went to prison, and had to get a job on the oil rigs when he got out. Now, he has Parkinson's Disease and can barely walk.
Damn that's tough
You know how some songs sometimes you can almost feel the essence of the era, the weight of the meaning behind the tone...thats what Vietnam War music is.
_A product of its time, that brought us something timeless..._
wow very cool how about
"Short Change Hero" but you are a US servicemen taking the last evacuation flight form Afghanistan
The song should be lower while the shoots and other noises louder
i'm from Vietnam, i love this track's style
Espero que encuentres prosperidad en tu vida y país
@@jesusexshitposter1747Vietnam is prospering right now!
“War is hell”
My great grandpa was in vietnam, he was not on the american side, he was on the Vietnamese side, I actually know nothing about his experience but in 2018 i visited him for the 1st time ever, and i only know about him serving because of a portrait of him in his home, he died in his late 90's only a week after i visited him, i only saw him that one time, i wish i knew more of his story
At this moments... you starting think about Surf, Charlie and Napalm.
...and in the end there was no victory to celebrate on either side of the pacific, only graves to dig.
Perhaps a bit of foreshadowing with that background since that chopper and the one seen in all those Kabul embassy videos are the same. The exact same. All we needed to do was wait 4 more years and it would've been exactly 50 years apart.
I’m just so glad my dad never went into combat despite serving in the navy
im going back to wear that ball and chain
My stepfather was in, 67-68,69-70. I think he was in the battle of cedar falls, and i KNOW he was in junction city.
He used to tell me stories. Like the one time him & his platoon bunked down at night, something woke them, and 40 dudes all opened up on whatever was in the darkness, and went back to sleep. In the morning, his platoon found out they killed a nearby village’s water buffalo. So since my stepdad could cook, i guess him & a fee buddies went & prepared at least a week’s worth of meat for the entirety of the village. Steak, ham, bacon, burgers, everything you could think of.
At about 65 yrs old i watched him fall from a 2x4 he had haphazardly placed while doing construction. *he caught himself*
What i didnt know was that on his last night in nam his platoon was wiped out. He got hurt, was being medevac’d, and while waiting for the bird, a whole batallion of NVA rolled up on them at night.
He was the only survivor from what i know.
Rest in piece Ruben. I hope you were proud of me becoming a medic, and growing as a person. Hope.
R.I.P. 154038, left abandoned and destroyed in Kabul after the evacuation.