Fun fact, squirrel girl was made as a one off character due to her inherently silly design in both physical appearance and name, and was assured to appear only as a one off character during the gritty realism era of 90s comic books, she was made as a joke of what the next iteration heroes could be
True. I sucked with Spiderman when playing him on occasion. His kit was so overloaded I still feel I don't understand it. But I can still flank and get key kills - Heck my first game on him I got the winning kills by starting the fight killing both supports on point with the tank next to them
I believe that characters are not broken but very well rounded in all aspects, they dont really have clear weaknesses which imo gives a lot of solo carry potential and prevents counterpicking
@@callmejacob33Scarlett witch and iron man’s counter is punisher. Basically everyone else gets countered by iron fist at close range unless they fly, at that point, use punisher.
After playing this yesterday with a group of people I can confirm, this will be exactly overwatch's life cycle. Which means we are back at the beginning of the timeline so every character is OP and the game feels fresh and fun. Enjoy while the toxicity is minimum I suppose
There were definitely outliers in Overwatch compared to this game. Nothing here feels like a Tracer, Widow, or D.va situation. The only one close is Venom, and even then he's surprisingly manageable with the right picks and playing smart (very easy to stun, and zero value if you can live through his damage)
No joke, I tried Wolverine and yeah he was kinda bleh, then a Hulk threw me and it was actually really good - For extra context, When Wolverine uses his jump he gains a massive attack speed bonus, Hulk throwing you also gives it, so if anything it means he gets a second jump charge in the hands of Hulk
That's what makes a game fun. Like borderlands. Nerfing things in borderlands made no damn sense, but, then again, most of borderlands 3 didn't make sense.
17:12 "I loved all those times in the original Avengers movies when Black Widow used her iconic sniper rifle. Very obvious rip off of Overwatch." Black Widow uses snipers a good amount in the comics, which where a majority of this game is pulling it's inspo from, kinda obvious.
honestly just each game use a different hero and try to pick them based on the map/mode, like penny parker and squirrel girl are really good on point capture maps, and characters like iron fist and black panther are fantastic for push maps
@@Couldbedumberoverwatch died because of its own mistakes, Shitty micro transaction, Failed promises, Underwhelming final product, And horrible change to 5v5 from 6v6, Well Overwatch 1 was killed by Blizzard so what's there to discuss here, So I am assuming we are talking about OW2
@@CouldbedumberOW died because they abandoned their game to make a sequel that was worse in every way. They made playing tank absolutely miserable and played favorites with characters (cough) kiriko (cough)
My mains are Magik and Peni, both are very powerful in their own right. Magik can reliably take out two squishies on her own and can sustain health from dodging attacks and hitting slow attacking tanks. Peni's mines can dominate areas of congestion and free areas of conflict for allies to retreat or engage without contest. Plus, it's a free kill in unsuspecting corners of 4 mines 😹 With them, my friends and I (full team) always boost me up to 25+ kills and mvp status for either character easily. I like Hulk as an alternative in close quarter maps.
Honesty the titles does feel correct, everyone character feels very powerful in their own way, none feels crazy strong, like iron fist I have seen people say he’s crazy strong, bro just go Captain America, you can outfight him, or if you got a good widow, boom headshot before he can get close
See whenever I see wolverine do his leap I kinda wish it was like a hunter pounce from left for dead. Make you go into first person and charge it up or something. and for gods sake remove that stupid range limit for it, it feels weird to go for like 1 second and then drop like a log. Guess it makes sense because he's a heavy man but feels bad
To be fair, they actually do a great job not overkitting any heroes, all the strong heroes have distinct weaknesses. They don't have any hero who is just good in every scenario.
I saw a discussion complaining about Jeff’s ult and I just said: “Skill issue, the sound Que is hella loud and pretty much every character has some sort of mobility ability so just spread out when you hear it.”
Every character is annoying to fight but its balanced out by the fact that once you become annoying to fight it feels great. (Except for scarlet witch, i hope her and her players rot in punishment.)
I just hope the devs learn from other hero shooters and not gut the heroes with nerfs on the long run. Some adjustments here and there are fine but let's not forget how balancing became a nightmare in other titles when they started adding more and more characters.
I saw the title and Wolverine on the thumbnail and thought “oh god it was really just me 😭” but just got to the bit where you all agreed he was bad so I feel better. He’s def tricky but I was playing him a lot and i feel he NEEDS his passive to reset on death
That game is good. I have a few complaints about heros that are just too overturned but my major one is Rocket. He is way to underpowered. Every other support hero does it better than him. He sucks at healing l, damage, and even the revive machine. He needs to get get an overall buff to meet the other characters.
For now... Every hero used to overpowered in Overwatch. But the try hards complained and got stuff changed overtime. The same thing might happen to this game.
@DavidReyes0224 I actually have a decent computer. It's above what steam "recommends" (which I know is generally BS, but regardless x3), but the game on the LOWEST settings, on turbo mode, runs basically like a toaster oven playing minecraft XD
@@Shadowmon799 mines pretty good too. Def not NASA computer, but also better than the average PC, but ya just thought I'd throw out the standard low graphic settings recommendation
Yo they made the cardboard diva skin like your diva inside a cardboard orisa skin idea for the make you own over watch skin vid Congrats you got a hero skin idea in
In a game like Marvel Rivals, having overpowered heroes makes sense for several reasons: Fidelity to Source Material: Marvel's heroes are often depicted as incredibly powerful in their respective comics and films. Characters like Thor, Hulk, or Scarlet Witch possess god-like abilities that make them formidable. To stay true to these characters' portrayals, it’s necessary for them to be overpowered in the context of the game. Balanced Competition: In a game with multiple heroes, overpowered abilities can create a balance between characters. If each hero has strengths that can rival or exceed those of others, it allows for more dynamic and varied gameplay. Instead of a one-dimensional system where only a few heroes are strong, every hero can feel impactful. Fun Factor: Overpowered heroes add excitement and spectacle to gameplay. Marvel fans expect the action to feel grand and epic, mirroring the epic battles seen in the movies and comics. Playing as a hero with immense power can be satisfying and engaging, providing players with the thrill of wielding abilities on an over-the-top scale. Strategic Depth: Overpowered characters can still be countered or balanced by gameplay mechanics like skillful timing, strategy, and synergy with other heroes. Overpowered doesn't always mean unbeatable-it can encourage players to think critically about how they deploy their heroes, adding layers of depth to the experience. Marketing and Appeal: Marvel characters are iconic, and players are often drawn to the game because they want to play as their favorite powerful heroes. Overpowered heroes create a sense of fulfillment, as players can experience the raw power of beloved characters in a way that resonates with their expectations from the Marvel universe. In summary, making the heroes overpowered ensures the game is true to the Marvel universe, provides engaging gameplay, and delivers on the fantasy of playing as iconic, larger-than-life characters.
Did you run this shit through ChatGPT? You did NOT just write a thesis statement on the game's balancing choices in the comments of a video all about it, right?
Wolverine is not arse everyone just plays him incorrectly if you play him correctly he's impressively mid (note what I mean by that is you're supposed to go for tanks not DPS or supports)
Bumbler: Which one is Cloak and which one is dagger? Phish: The one with the cloak is Cloak. Bumbler: I didn't want to assume. My guy, the characters are older than you. They should be getting cancelled for assuming who you are.
them thinking they are calling out marvel with BW using her "iconic sniper rifle" is hilarious as shes been using that since her inception in the comics, even more so because widowmaker is a direct rip off of Black Widow. its hilarious how surface level their knowledge is
Punisher is the most broken shit I’ve ever used with the right hand peaks, if you can aim he is absolutely disgusting. Hitscan + right hand peak + mobility + close and long range weapons is a joke, don’t get me started on his ult
@@Disco1211Or what about his secret second ult, his Turret which he uses to mow down everything in his path while also having a shield so he can't be hit from the front?
"Why were these the original avengers, the team comp sucks" is such a sick line
Two Tanks, Four DPS, and no support
@@cyberninjazero5659 thank god their opponent was only loki in the first movie.
0:57 fun fact! In the comics squirrel girl canonically defeated dr doom and thanos single-handedly
Not nearly as T H I C C tho lmao
Her adjective is "unbeatable" for a reason
Fun fact, squirrel girl was made as a one off character due to her inherently silly design in both physical appearance and name, and was assured to appear only as a one off character during the gritty realism era of 90s comic books, she was made as a joke of what the next iteration heroes could be
squirrel girl fans have exactly ONE fun fact and it's the one everyone already knows smh
As a joke, definitely
Video Gamers: OMG! Squirrel Girl kills everyone!
Comic book nerds: Yes...as she should.
the avengers comp on the hydra map was PEAK 😭
When everyone is super... no one will be! I love the approach to balancing this game.
True. I sucked with Spiderman when playing him on occasion. His kit was so overloaded I still feel I don't understand it. But I can still flank and get key kills - Heck my first game on him I got the winning kills by starting the fight killing both supports on point with the tank next to them
i used to think that black panther was bad, but i just wasnt timing his abilities like i shouldve
I believe that characters are not broken but very well rounded in all aspects, they dont really have clear weaknesses which imo gives a lot of solo carry potential and prevents counterpicking
I love this way of balancing stuff if everything is Op, Then Everything is balanced
@@callmejacob33Scarlett witch and iron man’s counter is punisher.
Basically everyone else gets countered by iron fist at close range unless they fly, at that point, use punisher.
I really like that most of the characters have slower firing, big damage attacks because it makes it feel slightly tf2
Yes! Makes aiming and positioning matter a lot more.
need more tf2 vibes
@@Zeptre_professionals have standards
@@RolandTheJabberwocky aiming is pretty much irrelevant, projectiles and are so insanely big, that hitting is pretty much guaranteed
Except spider man
cloak and dagger is a cool concept it’s like you can switch between kiriko and moira that’s really cool. they went all out with the character designs
I was worried about their possible hotbox size the swapping fixes that
7:28 Btw Iron fist can stay at the top of the sky box with Iron Man and beat him to death without dropping down, completely broken character
Literally a Dragon Ball fight
To me the fight of my life, to him a easy kill and full hp again.
Go Captain America, you can outfit him and annoy the shit out of him
@@randomguy3080I can fo that all day
10:24 "her daggers do hella damage" her mind is in the dark dimension she is seeing things the rest of us cannot
After playing this yesterday with a group of people I can confirm, this will be exactly overwatch's life cycle. Which means we are back at the beginning of the timeline so every character is OP and the game feels fresh and fun. Enjoy while the toxicity is minimum I suppose
There were definitely outliers in Overwatch compared to this game. Nothing here feels like a Tracer, Widow, or D.va situation.
The only one close is Venom, and even then he's surprisingly manageable with the right picks and playing smart (very easy to stun, and zero value if you can live through his damage)
@mattevans4377 Starlord is Tracer 76 though
@@somerandomgamer8504 People keep saying that, and yet I keep seeing Starlords die who play him like Tracer
@mattevans4377how can you say venom is good, I don't play him but he's so ass, free ult charge for me and my team, he's so useless
@@boneless70 He wasn't at the start. That's why I meant with being manageable. Everyone is now learning how to counter him, so he's becoming worse
No joke, I tried Wolverine and yeah he was kinda bleh, then a Hulk threw me and it was actually really good - For extra context, When Wolverine uses his jump he gains a massive attack speed bonus, Hulk throwing you also gives it, so if anything it means he gets a second jump charge in the hands of Hulk
Hulk wouldn't throw me for nothing 😢
It's cause wolverine's claws shred the more HP a hero has. He's literally an anti-tank
@@vanitas4841 Well that, and healing typically overpowers his damage is something I've always seen.
If everyone is op then nobody is op. My favourite balancing type.
Wanda is more op the everyone else
That's what makes a game fun. Like borderlands. Nerfing things in borderlands made no damn sense, but, then again, most of borderlands 3 didn't make sense.
@@sharkyboy4521 not really, if anyone is truely op it's ironfist and whatever the hell the dev decided to happen with him.
17:12 "I loved all those times in the original Avengers movies when Black Widow used her iconic sniper rifle. Very obvious rip off of Overwatch." Black Widow uses snipers a good amount in the comics, which where a majority of this game is pulling it's inspo from, kinda obvious.
The audacity to have that as a title knowing wolverine exists
Aren't short kings supposed to stick together?
Twobold ❤️❤️❤️
The og Avengers movie had a terrible team comp. Where the heck was their healer???? LMAOOOOOOOOO
To be fair they were up against a single strategist and his npc army
@@ListenerDBTruuueee
I'm still trying to find my groove as far as chracters go. I used Storm and got my first trophy of the game with her last night.
I've been greatly enjoying Hulk and Iron Fist.
honestly just each game use a different hero and try to pick them based on the map/mode, like penny parker and squirrel girl are really good on point capture maps, and characters like iron fist and black panther are fantastic for push maps
She’s called the unbeatable squirrel girl for a reason 😂
squirrel girl is JunkRat and Mei in one. She can stop people from moving and she can bounce her shot off walls.
They dont need to make every character mid, just make every character OP and everyone is happy
That’s why overwatch died, everyone was op at launch
That's how power creep starts.
“And if everyone’s OP, then no one will be.”
@@Couldbedumberoverwatch died because of its own mistakes, Shitty micro transaction, Failed promises, Underwhelming final product, And horrible change to 5v5 from 6v6, Well Overwatch 1 was killed by Blizzard so what's there to discuss here, So I am assuming we are talking about OW2
@@CouldbedumberOW died because they abandoned their game to make a sequel that was worse in every way. They made playing tank absolutely miserable and played favorites with characters (cough) kiriko (cough)
My mains are Magik and Peni, both are very powerful in their own right.
Magik can reliably take out two squishies on her own and can sustain health from dodging attacks and hitting slow attacking tanks.
Peni's mines can dominate areas of congestion and free areas of conflict for allies to retreat or engage without contest. Plus, it's a free kill in unsuspecting corners of 4 mines 😹
With them, my friends and I (full team) always boost me up to 25+ kills and mvp status for either character easily. I like Hulk as an alternative in close quarter maps.
I've only seen clips of this game so far but it looks mad fun so I wanna watch more!
Honesty the titles does feel correct, everyone character feels very powerful in their own way, none feels crazy strong, like iron fist I have seen people say he’s crazy strong, bro just go Captain America, you can outfight him, or if you got a good widow, boom headshot before he can get close
24:44 i can see this sound bite being used for all sorts of clips 😂😂
3:05 Wait you can delay black widow ult and then later on release?
You can hold it forever or just cancel it and keep the ult
one good thing i like is that as a healer you can get mvp n have your highlight used more often than in my 6 years of ow
When do they release Rivals Classic?
Classic comic skins would be cool
@@diamonshade7484 I was in reference to Overwatch Classic
During marvel rivals 2, be patient smhh
i watched a guide on wolverine and yea he wasn’t even killing the bots and i was like yea this character is gonna suck
he does percentage based damage so it’s actually pretty good vs tanks
A good time to be a Marvel fan and a gamer
See whenever I see wolverine do his leap I kinda wish it was like a hunter pounce from left for dead. Make you go into first person and charge it up or something. and for gods sake remove that stupid range limit for it, it feels weird to go for like 1 second and then drop like a log. Guess it makes sense because he's a heavy man but feels bad
Does @saltyphish realise that Squirrel Girl is just Hanzo with a slingshot?
I feel like she's more similar to junkrat. Slingshot is like junks gun, jump is kinda like his mine boost, and the big acorn is like his trap
To be fair, they actually do a great job not overkitting any heroes, all the strong heroes have distinct weaknesses. They don't have any hero who is just good in every scenario.
24:46 great rendition!
Watching this while writing a final paper makes me feel like green goblin looking at the mask
Immaculate Captain A S S E M B L E gameplay
I saw a discussion complaining about Jeff’s ult and I just said: “Skill issue, the sound Que is hella loud and pretty much every character has some sort of mobility ability so just spread out when you hear it.”
Unless you're a guy like Magneto whose only mobility ability is his ult xD
8:29 to play Wolverine you have to have a state of mind like Wolverine buck, wild and releasing the beast
Every character is annoying to fight but its balanced out by the fact that once you become annoying to fight it feels great.
(Except for scarlet witch, i hope her and her players rot in punishment.)
I just hope the devs learn from other hero shooters and not gut the heroes with nerfs on the long run. Some adjustments here and there are fine but let's not forget how balancing became a nightmare in other titles when they started adding more and more characters.
5:16 “I need to play spa only”
That’s the funny thing, all supports are also dps
I love how they balanced the characters so well that melees aren’t underwhelming in this game. In fact they’re the win conditions half the time lol
Wow, I can’t believe Phish can play this well after the lobotomy. Modern medicine truly is something.
bro cooked😭🔥
beginning of the vid is just lore accurate squirrel girl
I saw the title and Wolverine on the thumbnail and thought “oh god it was really just me 😭” but just got to the bit where you all agreed he was bad so I feel better. He’s def tricky but I was playing him a lot and i feel he NEEDS his passive to reset on death
Wait until he learns about the real best character moon knight
"Stay on the cart!" - Phish and co on a map where that isn't an objective
11:53 ok i have no idea what theyve said in the last like 2 minutes im a bit distracted... anyone else?
edit: 13:30 oh no...
The highlight death 😂😂😂
I tried this game out yesterday, and yeah it is basically overwatch but better for me. Hope to see more!
She thicc. She dummy thicc.
She thicc and broken.
Bout to eat and watch some salty ‼️
when everyone's op, no one is
20:55 "we shot him in ze legs, becauze hiz shield iz the size of a dinner plate, and he iz an idiot-"
Oh, Squirrel Girl is Junkrat. I'm just realizing that watching Phish play her.
I cant get up there. He says with his 3 jumps, wallride, kick dash and auto lock attacks.
24:44 Absolutely terrible, well done
The way he keeps forgetting he has a shield when he plays cap is…. Interesting
I played Squirrel Girl in my first every game and got mvp
Have not touched the character since
I think the only character that sucks is black panther or maybe I just don't know how to play him
That game is good. I have a few complaints about heros that are just too overturned but my major one is Rocket. He is way to underpowered. Every other support hero does it better than him. He sucks at healing l, damage, and even the revive machine. He needs to get get an overall buff to meet the other characters.
I think the revive machine is pretty good! His heals are ass though, needs to be able to deploy a healing gadget not just toss the orbs out, imo
Of course Phish plays the Hanzo character first.
Every time I hear Rocket Raccoon in this game I think it’s Deadpool cause of the Deadpool video game.
Luna snow is LUCIO AS A MARVEL CHARACTER
There is something about playing captain America that makes you me lose half my brain cells
I’m DEFINITELY a Cloak & Dagger main
For now... Every hero used to overpowered in Overwatch. But the try hards complained and got stuff changed overtime. The same thing might happen to this game.
I like watching you play this game, is assembles me.
8:10 and I imagine yall will disagree in the next couple of days when you fight a good one XD
Ah truly the Dota way of balancing
I would love this game so much more if it didn't run at a solid 4 frames per minute when you don't have a computer from NASA 😂
True xD I will say putting all the settings to low looks almost the same as higher settings and I got much better fps
@DavidReyes0224 I actually have a decent computer. It's above what steam "recommends" (which I know is generally BS, but regardless x3), but the game on the LOWEST settings, on turbo mode, runs basically like a toaster oven playing minecraft XD
@@Shadowmon799 mines pretty good too. Def not NASA computer, but also better than the average PC, but ya just thought I'd throw out the standard low graphic settings recommendation
I have a shit laptop and after I close everything except Discord, it runs at 120 fps
I’ve got a 3080 and an 11900k, on low I’m getting pretty consistent 200
Squirrel Girl is a class.
Not the Captain America brainrot 😭😭😭
When everyone is op… no one will be
This game is so much fun
You aren't wrong.
No one is OVER powered if they are all equally powered
Phish Have My Sigmas
"every hero is op"
So we're just lying about wolverine now 😂
All the new heroes are broken😭
Meanwhile, Hulk:😭😭😭
Something about the editing of this video was off.
It really feels like Overwatch Classic, chaotic and in desperate need of balance changes, but fun as hell
Captain America except he has brainrot
Every hero is definitely not OP in marvels rivals
i can attest wolverine is good actually. sadly just a skill issue
They overtune the characters so in that way, it's balanced
Yo they made the cardboard diva skin like your diva inside a cardboard orisa skin idea for the make you own over watch skin vid
Congrats you got a hero skin idea in
5 minutes in and I can’t watch this video if I know there’s a C&D player. I loathe them, for some reason I loathe them
I'm commenting.
In a game like Marvel Rivals, having overpowered heroes makes sense for several reasons:
Fidelity to Source Material: Marvel's heroes are often depicted as incredibly powerful in their respective comics and films. Characters like Thor, Hulk, or Scarlet Witch possess god-like abilities that make them formidable. To stay true to these characters' portrayals, it’s necessary for them to be overpowered in the context of the game.
Balanced Competition: In a game with multiple heroes, overpowered abilities can create a balance between characters. If each hero has strengths that can rival or exceed those of others, it allows for more dynamic and varied gameplay. Instead of a one-dimensional system where only a few heroes are strong, every hero can feel impactful.
Fun Factor: Overpowered heroes add excitement and spectacle to gameplay. Marvel fans expect the action to feel grand and epic, mirroring the epic battles seen in the movies and comics. Playing as a hero with immense power can be satisfying and engaging, providing players with the thrill of wielding abilities on an over-the-top scale.
Strategic Depth: Overpowered characters can still be countered or balanced by gameplay mechanics like skillful timing, strategy, and synergy with other heroes. Overpowered doesn't always mean unbeatable-it can encourage players to think critically about how they deploy their heroes, adding layers of depth to the experience.
Marketing and Appeal: Marvel characters are iconic, and players are often drawn to the game because they want to play as their favorite powerful heroes. Overpowered heroes create a sense of fulfillment, as players can experience the raw power of beloved characters in a way that resonates with their expectations from the Marvel universe.
In summary, making the heroes overpowered ensures the game is true to the Marvel universe, provides engaging gameplay, and delivers on the fantasy of playing as iconic, larger-than-life characters.
Did you run this shit through ChatGPT? You did NOT just write a thesis statement on the game's balancing choices in the comments of a video all about it, right?
I'm a jeff main :)
Jeff supremacy, all the way.
@@z34567890123456 I haven't lost with him yet, i already bought his onesie skin too!
Jeff 4ever
Wolverine is not arse everyone just plays him incorrectly if you play him correctly he's impressively mid (note what I mean by that is you're supposed to go for tanks not DPS or supports)
man I sound like a nerd
I hate iron fist he so annoying hard to kill
Bumbler: Which one is Cloak and which one is dagger?
Phish: The one with the cloak is Cloak.
Bumbler: I didn't want to assume.
My guy, the characters are older than you. They should be getting cancelled for assuming who you are.
no views or comments lets fix that
Already all over my screen.
3rd person is tough ngl
People say that a lot but... Fortnite exists...
:)
if everyone is powerful then everything is viable, so it's fair
them thinking they are calling out marvel with BW using her "iconic sniper rifle" is hilarious as shes been using that since her inception in the comics, even more so because widowmaker is a direct rip off of Black Widow. its hilarious how surface level their knowledge is
I sincerely hope you all move over to this and dump that scam game OW2.
Everyone is OP...except punisher. He just gets shit on by everyone unless you're dumb and get shotgunned
Punisher is widely regarded as on of the MOST broken characters in Rivals.
Remember it's only the first few days of this game. But I've seen people say Punisher does to much damage.
If your getting shit on with punisher then you’re using him wrong.
Punisher is the most broken shit I’ve ever used with the right hand peaks, if you can aim he is absolutely disgusting. Hitscan + right hand peak + mobility + close and long range weapons is a joke, don’t get me started on his ult
@@Disco1211Or what about his secret second ult, his Turret which he uses to mow down everything in his path while also having a shield so he can't be hit from the front?