I feel your pain. The shop is spot on about the sludge. I was instructed by a car yard to clean the top end of one of their cars after I warned them about dislodging sludge. Engine seized a week later with blocked oil galleries. With yours, take the engine out, totally disassemble and clean everything. Build it up and start fresh! Don't bother with a gas motor, just make sure yours is genuine fg turbo (inconel valves and turbo rods) in case they've done something dodgy.
As an ex mechanic myself I say don't stuff around with a 2nd hand engine. You could end up right back at square one again with the same problems. Most 2nd hand engines have either been flogged or had some back yard screwdriver mechanic stuff around with it. Just pull your engine out, strip it, clean it and replace what is needed like big ends etc and you know in your own mind that it's a good engine.
Agree, spend the time to strip it down so you don’t have to second guess in the future. It’ll take longer, but you’ll be able to put your mind at ease.
Yep, rebuild it yourself mate, if possible. It will take a lot longer than you think, and probably cost more than you expect, but you'll become intimately familiar with your car, and love it all the more. Only other solution, if you can afford it, is pay someone you trust. Good luck mate :)
Had my ego BF2 F6 for 9 years now. It was my dream car before I got it and it's still my dream car today. Still stock as a rock and still makes me smile every time I put my foot down. Great video!
Hey mate sorry for your loss , I just want to say thank you for teaching us about the lessons you’ve learnt. This was a very informative video as I’m looking to get a very similar car. No one’s done a “what to look out for when buying a barra turbo” thanks again mate.
Thanks for your comment, and im glad that i could share my experience to help others learn from it, im really just documenting whats happened for others to see,
Make sure it has rego and get a mechanic to have a thorough look at it first including the Engine, Turbo etc. They are cheap to buy but can be a money sink to run and own. Could be a good investment though to simply hold on to for a few years.
Great looking car mate! Shame that motor is in such poor condition. I wouldnt waste my time with a gas motor, just build up the original block to be stronger, in the long term the car will be worth more with matching numbers! Good luck with it bud.
Rebuilding the original will give you confidence in the engine being done properly & can maintain its value with matching numbers for a collector in the future.
Honestly man I can't believe you managed to drive it around after finding out about the sludge! Generally speaking the moment you would have known about the sludge you should have realised the ticking time bomb you have, good thing for you as mentioned a turbo barra engine is pretty accessible these days and you can pick up one for like 2k, I would honestly pull out all the internals you have placed on that old motor and check the condition of them, if they're fine put them on the new engine and build that new engine up to spec, even if you find a small defect in rebuilding a second hand engine you would go A - Z on that motor and know yourself there's nothing wrong. With your sludge motor that's as good as gone, the fact that MAXX themselves didn't want to touch it should have spoke volumes, in saying that they should have told you about the sludge the moment they opened it up to do the valve springs, it would have saved you a pretty penny on whatever you've done to that sludge engine. Definitely go with a Barra Turbo motor to preserve the value of the vehicle nonetheless man!
1) Ditch Max performance - for starters they should not have installed valve springs on an engine like that. Lots of horror stories out of that shop. Bet they were happy to take your money though. 2) Ditch that motor or full rebuild. A replacement standard Fg turbo motor is fine for your goals. Do you really want to daily a built motor? 3) Go to seres enginering, Grieci or springy performance and chat about your goals ect. 4)Ditch Max performance
haha, yes pretty disappointed about it, i did ask them to clean it and charge me whatever, but they didnt want to . stay tuned for motor build video coming next
Since its gonna be a keeper and you have come this far with upgrading it, i’d recommend tearing the whole motor down and rebuilding it from scratch mate. Do it right the first time and once to avoid any more future headaches
Shit go but what's done is done. Best bet if it's a long term investment is to strip it down then have a long hard think about everything you would like to do to it cos now your possibilities are only bound by $$$ and what can actually be achieved. You've basically got the opportunity to build it to your specs( withing reason of the engine of course) you'll know what's into it and that it's all new and done properly. Buying a transplant could leave you open to the same or worse problems cos as U said buy secondhand the risk is on you. You've already outlayed the $$$ for the car you may as well invest what you'd be looking at paying for a transplant and then some and give it whateva your after instead.
Buy an engine stand, engine crane pull the motor. Get a workshop manual for it, you've pulled this far. Strip it, clean it, bearings, timing chain kit, rings, rod bolts gasket set. Carefully reassemble it basic build. Save some money, do something major later. It's still going now with it's current state. This will extend it. Nothing's just simple, is it. All the best mate👍
I had a Barra with the same sludge issue and over heating so I opted for a clean second motor with low K's from Boss wrecking, a thousand dollars later I was happy when I got the mechanic I use to inspect the second motor and also fit new radiator water pump and thermostat plus a after market trans fluid cooler seperate from the radiator, all up at the end of the day two grand total, now 5 year's on the motor is perfect still and oil changed every five thousand K's.
my f6 had the same sludge problem, i think its because ford says every 10k service. i think its to long hey, i always have done my 32 at 5k and that motor is still so clean and smooth inside. it has over 250k kms as well
Man I feel you. I had mine stolen last year. It was recovered but was thrashed. No coolant left in it. Insurance wrote it off due to the unknown damage to engine and trans among other things like suspension all fucked from rallying it through the bush during a police chase. Anyway, I see the car is now for sale at a car yard in Sydney. No mention off being a write off. I feel sorry for who ever buys her. They probably about to get the same condition as yours is. Hope you clean and rebuild it. In the long run the matching numbers will be worth it. Good luck!
sorry to hear about your situation that sounds terrible, I bet the car yard had no clue, I did end up building this engine with a reputable guy so happy as now with it, super late reply but appreciate your comment thanks
i feel your pain dude, such a nice looking car. When you had your upgrade it would of been great if the mechanics told you to see it for yourself and recommend a fix back then.
I would suggest to build it that way you know what's in it when it got done etc you always take a risk with second hand motors and other turbo engines are always thrashed. Also if you pushing power and the motor let's go your just gonna replace it with a stock motor just to happen again I think a built motor will be best even if you only gonna use half a third of its potential it will be bullet proof for the power your after
Good advice, build the motor and keep the matching numbers I am in the process of rebuilding my XR50T with similar km’s. The mods required for safe power would need to be done to any stock engine anyway. Engine out you can look at extra integrity stuff like main cap studs, main cap girdles, you can get the crank balanced with the upgraded flex plate the possibilities are only limited by the bank account
i hate fords! don,t know why i even started watching! but i gave u benefit of dout after your honesty in regards to mazda! i notice rolling medows im from diggers! maybe when my vl is done ill come find u! respect brother!
I rebuilt my FG MK2 T, I honed out the block for oversized pistons, long story short, the only stock thing in it now is the crank and cams. If I was to do my time again, I would just buy a built motor and save a fuckload in cash. I spent 18k where I could of have bought a HP Junkie engine for 12k slapped it straight in and off I went. My car has been off the road since April last year after a “tuner” put three valve springs upside down, I don’t know how he did, but it was possible for him to do it. It bent two valves and cracked the ringlets on piston 3. I regret waiting for deals on prices of parts, it cost me 6k more and that was suppose to be my 5 link. Drove it for the first time today. Base map, just waiting on my new tuner to tune it. However, if you want to go down the path of building your engine it’s, a great learning curve. I enjoyed my time, but I wouldn’t do it again. Haha. Also, don’t waste your time on a Gassie. Just save that money and put it towards this one, send the engine off to either HP Junkie or someone in your area that is 100%. I was going to send my engine from QLD to Victoria just to be built.
Sucks to hear about your situation. I love these cars and really feeling for ya that you haven’t been able to fully enjoy the experience yet. I’m subbed and looking forward to seeing you unlock its true potential. I’m in for the ride!
Mate shit situation, feel for you, and you’re thinking through things is spot on. Can’t comment on what to do but will follow along, hope she works out in the end, nice looking rig
The body is spot on mate and same with the interior, they are the really important things that are a nightmare to get right money wise. I would source out a built fg xr6 engine from a speed shop you can trust and cop it sweet while being grateful that body and paint are spot on. In the end you end up with one sweet ride that you know is done right and will go up in value. Go with e86 tune on the new one or just a 98 pump tune forget gas imo.
Hey mate, I am in the same predicament after tuner blew my motor, I know this feeling all too well. I ended up deciding on just a standard rebuild with oil pump gears. I got quoted about a 4-5K difference in price between standard with oil pump or full forged build. I thought long and hard about if I should just spend the extra, but I decided on not wanting to push further than 450rwkw's. I personally just don't want to fall down the rabbit hole of spending on the car, and start setting up my future. It's been documented fairly well that the stock motor with valvesprings, head studs and oil pump gears are good for up to 500rwkw. You'll have to start considering the ZF as well if you want pursue some serious power, as they cannot stand anymore than 450-500rwkw, only managing at that level with a good tune with some good torque reduction. You'll possibly have to do a stronger tailshaft and drive shafts as well. It really comes down to the future plans with the car power wise. Just for reference, with your current mods, you'd be good for about 420-430rwkw on E85, as your fuel system is at it's limit without a surge tank. Still plenty power, but if you don't intend on going further than you currently are, maybe not worth spending the extra coin for a fully built motor. Cheers.
New to your channel and just subscribed. I know how dissappointed you must feel. I bought an XD falcon that was in another state and had it shipped to me in Sydney. All seemed ok until I found a rust hole in the plenum big enough to put my fist through. But as the rest of the car was worth more to me than what the repair cost I got it fixed. That's what you should do George. You've got an awesome car that will only appreciate. Get the engine rebuilt, throw some extra horsepower into it in the process, and then you'll have the car you always wanted it to be.
Hi George Sorry to hear about your engine issues but i seriously think you should rebuild that motor your ganna have to bite the bullet mate it will be worth it in the long run. Besides your keeping it so i would definitely do it.
Hey mate, sorry to hear about the bad luck buying the barra. They are great cars. I've owned my nitro blue xr6turbo for 8 years and still love driving it. I would definitely rebuild the motor, just buy a cheap run a round and keep the falcon for the weekends and special occasions, also keeping the ks down on it.
Hey mate thanks for your post, i can totally relate to what you are going through. I think the benefits of keeping the original engine & getting it rebuilt by somebody you trust definitely has more benefits of stuffing around buying another engine that you know nothing about. I know you have spent some cash on it already but having the original engine reconditioned would be the way to go. Best of luck with it, please keep us posted on how things do.
That sucks man ! Very unlucky You see this all the time with fgs man. Very poor on Maxx for not helping you out with some sort of game plan before dropping 15k. Hope you get it all fixed mate
Nice car mate, same as mine. I'd pull the motor down and build it for my reliability. Bad thing about buying from second hand dealers is not knowing the previous life it had before hand.
That colour isn't from being hot it's from not having regular oil changes. The fact that Max Performance didn't clean the cam cradles when they had them off is a bit off a worry and would be enough for me to never return. I've also seen plenty of fg's with rocker paint flaking like that. My brother has a 2010 turbo ute that he never services and it looks the same inside. Turbo oil feed was almost completely blocked had to use a pick to scrape out all the sludge. Turbo oil filter was the same. Just rebuild it so you know what you've got or you'll end up paying twice.
@@randomdude4669 if they leave it there's more chance of it crapping it's dacks sooner and then they get to do a rebuild i suppose. 16k for a 400kw package is robbery.
yeah just really documenting what happend, not really trying to cause trouble, the owner of the car that traded it to these guys commmented saying they gave him 7500 for it
I like how honest and open you are with your shit situation. If I saw that sludge, I would’ve parked it and start accumulating parts for a build. Definitely build it as a gassy is still unknown condition and limited in what you can do
Bad luck mate, a good lesson for second hand car buyers to remove rocker cover before buying if allowed, car yards will be kept honest 👌. Best of luck .
shit buddy thats really sad, hope you get it sorted... build a motor... that way you know what you have and you can pull max.... stay strong its a beautiful car... Abu your south african fan
Had similar experience. Bought a BF FPV turned out to be passing a bit of oil. Had excessive blowby and was up for a rebuild. Like you I weighed up my options and decided to buy a 08' gas green top motor, then upgraded the valve springs and fit billet oil pump to it. 1200cc injectors and a 460 E85 compatible fuel pump. Also fitted a rebuilt upgraded 4speed auto from a performance shop in Melbourne capable of handling 400-450rwkw. Tuner had issues getting the car to make power. It was much lower than it should have been for the boost it was running. Instead of the expected 400+kw it was making about 330kw. We were wanting to run about 18psi but at about 15psi boost started bypassing rings and lifting the dipstick out. Although the engine itself was cheap enough to buy... the cost of all the work and tuning was in vain. In the end rebuilt the original FPV engine using new FG turbo pistons, rings bearings etc. Long story short... build your original engine if the block and head check out to be ok. Unless you plan on big hp no need to go forged. You can make 450kw safely all day long and have a happy drive train.
I'm really surprised Maxx Performance did the work after they noticed the sludge in your engine. That should of been a warning for them. Maybe something could have been done at that point to save you money. I feel bad for you mate, hopefully you can turn it round. Good luck.
I’ve been going there for years and been happy with their service , unfortunately for me modifications were under way , exhaust , turbo cooler before they opened it up for valve springs
Throw new acl bearing in with the calico costing and 360° thrust bearing. Had a similar situation after building my motor a heater hose popped off cooked the motor and oil the week before power cruise in qld last year to the point it started eating the bearings we changed bearings gave it two or three oil changes during the week to make sure all material was out and the I had fun at pc motor was still going strong till November last year when another side effect of cooking the motor cropped up which was blown head gasket that progressively got worse over time. I would look at getting a new head for yours as well given that one has been Cooked. When doing head studs also get the oversized washers as well.
You clean that motor bud. I have an FG XR6 turbo with 260000km was in the same state not it’s clean as a whistle and runs like a new car. I have built a lot of Barras and can help you out with your bike I’m only local as well. I’f your keen reply👍
It seems like alot of falcon owners are willing to spend bucket loads on parts but not build the engine, I think it should always be the first thing on the list, before anything else
while you can still go to the wreckers and just buy cheap motors it kinda makes sense, they arent really the weak point for most ppl so no need to spend money where it isnt needed.
I also bought a turbo ute from car yard and it unknowingly had an N/A bottom end....... I found out the hard way when i blew rods through the block which took me on a journey to build my own forged engine and i haven't looked back, utes a weapon now. One positive in the whole situation was the BA ute had a 2012 fg turbo manual box in it so its strong AF. If I were you I'd tear the engine down and if all the bits are salvageable rebuild it ,all the gunk will need to be hot tanked off your parts and i would get the block honed and replace rings, bearings and seals all round. talk to your local machine shop, they are always willing to help and give advice as it sounds daunting and expensive at first but a stock rebuild isn't really it's just a time sink.
Rebuild the existing engine, numbers matching. Complete strip to bare block and head. Get the block and head crack tested, given the signs of overheating. You already know what power you want at the rear wheels. Source rebuild parts, including oil pump and oil pick up, from a well regarded build shop that specialises in those engines. Maybe get them to do the head rebuild including polishing the combustion chambers etc. Costs you more up front but less dramas down the track and you retain numbers matching. Not to mention you end up with a cracking fast car that's reliable. Would like to see an update on the end result. Cheers
I'd pull the sump plug, drain the oil, pull cams out, diesel and a scrubbing brush, clean it all up, keep flushing it through, a flushing with diesel until nothing cruddy comes out any more. Put cams back in , new factory chain and guides etc. Fresh oil, I'd run it and change oil and filter every 1000klms up to 5000klms. If all goes well, and oil starts coming out fairly clean at 5k, keep it and drive it, if it actually fails, build it, if not happy days.
This is the first time ive watched a video of yours but im definitely sticking around for the ride. I say full rebuild mate. Really enjoyed watching even though it was shithouse news. Good Luck with the mighty barra 👌
Nah man . You’ll rebuild the engine jus for another problem to occur . Your jus throwing money away bro . I owned one of these and couldn’t get a break with money . ALWAYS another problem
Wow ! What a saga. Your internals have been compromised through heat stress. If we're I , I would rebuild another engine. You know the history of this one. And it's sh1t.
Why heat stress? That colour and gunk build up is from not changing oil. The longer the oil stays in, the deeper the colour gets and the more sludge builds up. Proper overheating is totally different and will generally warp the head, nip up the pistons etc.
I believe they are more thorough for roadworthy in VIC. Had a family friend buy a car sight unseen from NSW (they said the same thing all roadworthy etc) Well when that went in for inspection it failed miserably and she had to pay a similar amount that you have to get it roadworthy.
You could just go a quickie gas swap, fb market place, $500, keep boost low,just to get it back on the road, then do freshy on the original motor, strip it, hot tank, hone, new bearings, reseal kit reassemble, paint job. Depending on your power can go rods and pistons for couple k more,motors half built already with the pump gears and springs, add the rods n pistons about sorted up too 800-1000hp then. Also, guys taking the cam bridges off and putting them back on covered in shit is a bit rough..
The moment I heard flakes/shavings in the oil my heart sank, that really sucks dude I'm sorry. Seeing a motor rebuild with upgrades would kind of round out what you've already started working on with the mods so far!
Yeah well that's cars for you isn't it, I've actually had really good luck with my previous cars and never had to do a trans, engine or diff its only ever been small stuff, after 17 years of driving I figure one motor build I'm due for haha , trying to think positive, did you see the next engine build episode ?
If you can still find a suitable s/h or low Ks motor (they are out there) to drop in and keep you on the road, then you can rebuild that matching numbers block at your leisure. I still think you have a very nice car and you are a legend for saving its arse. I love where your heart is at and I wish you all the very best.
If the engine is the original that came with the car, i'd do everything in my power to rebuild it or if its not the original then fuck it and chuck in a newer better cleaner engine and build that up. At the end of the day if it is the original engine, you rebuild it and keep it together with the car, 10-20-30 years down the track when the FG is a classic (kinda like how the old XA-XF Falcons, Kingswoods and Torana's are like nowadays) collectors will appreciate you having kept the car as original matching numbers and pay you more ;) That said, i used to own a R32 GTR, i'm still kicking myself for having sold it for as cheap as i did since now even if i wanted to i could never afford one ever again lmfao
It may be a lot better in the long run to do up your own engine to the specifications that you want. You also know how good everything inside the engine is and it should take a lot more punishment with out the risk of engine damage. It would definitely cost more but the value for money and extra KILOWATTS should make you a happier than the unknown content of a second hand engine. Doing your own engine with extra Kilowatts should also increase the resale value of the vehicle. Good luck and please put another video up when you get it up and running again.
DUDE...you should have gotten a it independent inspection.. i brought from perth and got a guy to do a report and yes he found a few things to which i got the dealer to fix prior to shipping it.
Throw diesel oil in it every 3rd oil change- i did this in my 1200rwkw Tornado over the 7 years i owned it, and zero sludge. I also did this on my 383ci XD, blown BA 6 cyl, and now on my FG XR6T running 500rwkw. I also drop the oil every 5k on the dot. I did the diesel oil after an old bloke (who built many quick NA Falcons back in the late 90's) said to do it- _especially- if you live in the cities: stop- start can be hard on the turbo motor
Darn. I know that feeling. Bought my ISF from a Toyota dealer in Sydney. Shipped to Brisbane. Supposed to have a 160 point safety / mechanical check, signed roadworthy etc. Got to Brisbane and a list of stuff 😡😡 With your car, you have a great base. I would rebuild your engine. That way you know what you have and can do it exactly how you want it done. A real pain financially but a nice build that is clean for a start will be a known quantity. I know that car yard. Bodgy Brothers 😡😡
Never ever buy a car without a pre purchase mechanical inspection. They cost around $250. Worst thing is you spent $250 to know you bought a great car.
tip for the future, if your gonna buy a car sight unseen id recomend a pre purchase. try find a reputable mecahnic within that area and get them to inspect it
Build that block bro. You’re halfway already. If you just throw a gas motor in, you’ll just be paying more money down the track to build that motor. My advice just pull the motor out and build it. Get it cleaned, machined and built.
Hey man... not a car guy at all, so most of what you were saying went over my head. But, enjoyed the story, think I'll follow along to see how it plays out. Hopefully all to the good. Side note, not sure why this came up in my recommendations, but glad it did. Subbed.
Probably sold it by now . "A Turbo Barra man" Sol's Creations has some brilliant posts re the NA Car and motor , he installed a turbo to the engine that he stripped and rebuilt from scratch . Hope you can find his work on YT . Everything is as clean as an operating room in a hospital when he is working on it. Thanks for the laugh with your friend on the crow bar....a mirror image of myself getting the front plate off to get to the timing settings for the first time .
Rebuild, lucky I seen this I was planning on upgrading to a turbo and keep current 2009 fg xr6 as work/daily. Now I'll be more cautious. Feels bad man but if you rebuild I doubt you will have any regrets. That way you know what you have
Awesome video mate keep them coming and so shit when that happens it happened to me I got my GTSR from WA got all the way to Sydney and then wouldn’t start I was like I just paid 126k for a 🍋🍋🍋🤬 got it home and took it to get looked at and the injectors was to big 🤬 the W557 package are shit
great video mate, I tell you what though, Im absolutely shocked that the tuning house that did the modifications continued with the sludge in that state, they should have called you before commencing any modifications and asked you to collect the car and have it sorted out. TBH I wouldn't blame the car yard, they wouldnt have known, however a pre mechanical inspection would have been beneficial.
Thanks 🙏 not blaming them for the sludge , more so that the car needed so many repairs for roadworthy after they told me it was , and then the fact they didn’t reply , car also had lock nuts on the wheels with no key supplied
@@georgeauto fair enough man, to be honest, Id be more concerned that the guys that did all the mods were okay doing that knowing what everything looked like under rocker cover, they should have halted all work, pulled the head off and had it inspected and cleaned.
Nice rig mate awesome colour, last of the Exocet Missiles. I got the same wheel on mine. I'd keep it because they will go up, but bear in mind you'll probably have to spend money beefing the ZF up in the near future if you do.
Thank you ! I love this wheel so nice , and love that it’s new ! Yes I think Building the motor is the way ! I might have to get a safe tune to keep the box in shape until I have some extra money for the box and diff / tailshaft , thanks for your comment
I purchased my FG 5 years ago and had the same issue you had. I just drove it around for awhile put some more K on it then rebuilt the motor. It has been great ever since. My xr6 isn't turbo. But I'm getting 255kw at the wheels natural aspirated. Too many mods to mention what I had done to it. But i give some example the cam package cold air intake, injectors extractors and exhaust along with platinum spark plugs and the tune along with LSD turbo diff racing fly wheel and fuel pump than all the racing internal parts in the engine It's not as fast as a turbo . Heaps of my mates said you should put a turbo package on it. With the mods I've done I can easily without needing to upgrade the motor bas ive basically done every mod for that already. But turbo stuff up to much. Every few years you have to replace it. So I just kept my car natural aspirated. My car scares the shit out of me when I plant the foot down. I don't know how you guys go with 300kw to 400kw+ to me thats too fast. It's a death machine.
Wow man that’s the most power I’ve heard of From a NA that’s awesome you’d beat turbos easy with no lag , how does it sound ? I do not like the sound of a NA barra with an exhaust but I’m guessing with all those other mods that you have it must sound better then a stock one with the 2.5 exhaust
Even here in Melb, 2nd hand falcons and commodores are ridiculously expensive nowadays. Especially the manual v8 ones. Most ones in good condition here are selling for at least $30-40k minimum.
I bought a car from South East Autos! Right before I signed the contract, I thought I better get a pre-sale independent inspection done. Lucky I did, the independent mechanic found about $2k worth of issues! Including heating and aircon not working. They fixed it all and I still bought it. Lucky for me, the car has been great. But had I not got the pre-purchase inspections done, I would've been farked over too (after reading all the bad reviews, I was lucky).
wow, i totally should have done that! a simple reply from them would have been nice, not just to be ignored, maybe they will respond when they see this video now with thousands of views haha
@@georgeauto most of the online reviews about them say the same thing - total silence as soon as there's a problem! You're not alone. I was lucky! On a positive note, I love the colour of the falcon! Looks in really great condition paint/body wise 🙂👍
Hey man I live Queensland and was looking at a F6 Ute that was for sale privately. This car yard purchased the Ute before me then added $10K to the price, I checked out the car when it was private sale and took photos of the serial so I knew it was the same car. I checked the oil at the car yard it was still black, engine idle was off so they did nothing to the car but still added $10K. I got the hell out of there
I have owned a mkii since almost new one of the gears on the timing chain let go, and needed an engine rebuild at 40k. I think it was the low gear check for wear, also if the motors start holding high RPM for longer than normal this is the VVT trying to compensate for the timing chain slippage. Also I have the same problem with the cam cover but I can tell you I have never overheated the motor and it gets vary regular service.
Make sure to give the engine a clean down before re assembly as well and be sure to check all tolerances. Get your oil pump ported as well and a atomic high volume spring get xr6 turbo development gears and billet backing plate. Make sure those get tolerance check correctly as well.
Sorry to hear about that engine mate I own a 2009 FG turbo manual lux pack hasn't even cracked the 100k kms yet bought from the original owner full service history and well mainted car. I have bought many cars from car yards in the past and always had a drama one way or another. You have to remember car yards are only in it for them selves and need to make a profit. Its in the yard for a reason. All my private buys have turned out lots better. Anyway don't lose faith in the FG I have owned heaps of fords over the years x series to b series. My FG I'd by far the best falcon I have owned. Bought dead stock and now has pretty much same mods as yours apart from turbo upgrade. Cheers
Bro sry to hear this happened to you as it is a beautiful car. I believe it is in your best interest to rebuild the the original motor with some go fast bits of your desire as later on the car will still have it's matching numbered motor.. Just an opinion. I hope which ever decision you make you are happy with as they are our pride and joy.
100% do rods and pistons with a new timing kit with oil pump gears and head studs. I would have recommended a timing kit when doing valve springs as the broken guide would have been picked up then along with the leaking timing cover and sump. And that rocker cover seal kit is proper cooked. Those seals will be rock hard.
Interesting and informative video George. Out of interest I tried calling South Eastern Auto sales and got a 'This inbox is full' message - sounds a bit odd. Also the box on the right side of the general internet search screen indicates they are 'permanently closed'. Hmmm. Their ABN is stil active though. Did you try to get an independant assessment - such as from the RACQ to check the car - can't recall?
Get a typhoon motor for it bro ,i loved my v8 fg one tonner ute 297kw at the rears with new extractors high flow cats and the the rest of the exhaust cold air intake and a flash tune and with the metal tray she didn't mind getting a bit loose in the ass end 😄 but total fun
Ah what a spew bro, such a shame man, still a very nice car though, I reckon take your time on this one and rebuild it yourself, forged bottom end, chuck a couple of atomic cams into it, and an atomic head, to match your stage 4 mods, Then retune and dyno with a zf box edit tune to support all your engine mods. But whatever you decide bro I'm sure it's gonna turn out sick! 🤙
@George Auto Yeah I agree bro, 👍 rebuild that engine, keep the same engine number with the vin of the car, numbers matching, just my opinion anyway 🤷♂️ 27 years a motor mechanic bro and have built a few sick engines and cars in my time......😁.....my first car at 16 was a one owner XB v8 single rail 4 speed falcon coupe, I bought from one of the mechanics at my work City Ford where I did my apprenticeship in the early to mid 1990s,👌 among 2 XY'S 1 XW, 1 XC an XF a VK calais and many others I've owned and built over the years, good times and I miss em all 😂
Lived this experience myself. Did a rebuild in my windswept carport. Needs must. Got a cracking turbo tonner six speed bf manual from the factory, still matching numbers,but what a learning curve
Speaking as a Ford man myself, ironically I had a Ford for many years which I spent a fortune on, gave me constant trouble and broke my heart and bank account - ironically I ended up buying a "Mazda 3" - which for 16 years has been bullet proof! I'd love an XR6 Turbo or an F6, but I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole given their long history of problems and unreliability.
Do a full rebuild , that way your not gambling on someone else's problems , and because its a 50th anniversary edition u wanna keep it numbers matching to retain value later on , good luck
Sort it out back to concourse. Keep it, enjoy the increase in value. Dion at Dynomite is 'the' guy to talk to. You do a basic rebuild that barra will last forever in your hands.
Look up how to do a kerosene engine flush. Thats what people do to clean out a sludgey engine like this. Run the engine on kerosene a couple of times to get the bulk of the sludge out before you decide to pull it apart to rebuild it. But id do the rebuild myself.
@@georgeauto You could also pull it apart and have the head and the engine block hot tanked at a machine shop, id kerosene it just so you can get all the crude out of the oil passages before breaking it all down. Some fresh rings with some extra gap, and some new bearings and send it on its way.
I feel your pain. The shop is spot on about the sludge. I was instructed by a car yard to clean the top end of one of their cars after I warned them about dislodging sludge. Engine seized a week later with blocked oil galleries. With yours, take the engine out, totally disassemble and clean everything. Build it up and start fresh! Don't bother with a gas motor, just make sure yours is genuine fg turbo (inconel valves and turbo rods) in case they've done something dodgy.
As an ex mechanic myself I say don't stuff around with a 2nd hand engine. You could end up right back at square one again with the same problems. Most 2nd hand engines have either been flogged or had some back yard screwdriver mechanic stuff around with it. Just pull your engine out, strip it, clean it and replace what is needed like big ends etc and you know in your own mind that it's a good engine.
Agree, spend the time to strip it down so you don’t have to second guess in the future. It’ll take longer, but you’ll be able to put your mind at ease.
Yep i agree..i was gonna mod my ba turbo that i bought brand new in 2004 but me mates talked me out of it..134ks..what u guys think?
@@stivi739 you're better off selling it than modding it as the BAs are seriously limited with the power you can achieve with them
Yep, rebuild it yourself mate, if possible. It will take a lot longer than you think, and probably cost more than you expect, but you'll become intimately familiar with your car, and love it all the more. Only other solution, if you can afford it, is pay someone you trust. Good luck mate :)
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limited ay?
Had my ego BF2 F6 for 9 years now. It was my dream car before I got it and it's still my dream car today. Still stock as a rock and still makes me smile every time I put my foot down.
Great video!
Thanks amazing man I love the B series FPVs I’d love to have one one day , glad you’re still loving your car and thanks for the comment t
Hey mate sorry for your loss , I just want to say thank you for teaching us about the lessons you’ve learnt. This was a very informative video as I’m looking to get a very similar car. No one’s done a “what to look out for when buying a barra turbo” thanks again mate.
Thanks for your comment, and im glad that i could share my experience to help others learn from it, im really just documenting whats happened for others to see,
Make sure it has rego and get a mechanic to have a thorough look at it first including the Engine, Turbo etc. They are cheap to buy but can be a money sink to run and own. Could be a good investment though to simply hold on to for a few years.
Great looking car mate! Shame that motor is in such poor condition. I wouldnt waste my time with a gas motor, just build up the original block to be stronger, in the long term the car will be worth more with matching numbers! Good luck with it bud.
Yes I think you’re on the money , built motor is the way to go, more expensive short term but probably cheaper long term
@@georgeauto Take the engine to Powerhouse Engines in Warragul ask for John Pillar he will sort you out
Rebuilding the original will give you confidence in the engine being done properly & can maintain its value with matching numbers for a collector in the future.
What's a gas motor?
@@tomkitchen2764 runs on gas and petrol dual fuel
Honestly man I can't believe you managed to drive it around after finding out about the sludge! Generally speaking the moment you would have known about the sludge you should have realised the ticking time bomb you have, good thing for you as mentioned a turbo barra engine is pretty accessible these days and you can pick up one for like 2k, I would honestly pull out all the internals you have placed on that old motor and check the condition of them, if they're fine put them on the new engine and build that new engine up to spec, even if you find a small defect in rebuilding a second hand engine you would go A - Z on that motor and know yourself there's nothing wrong. With your sludge motor that's as good as gone, the fact that MAXX themselves didn't want to touch it should have spoke volumes, in saying that they should have told you about the sludge the moment they opened it up to do the valve springs, it would have saved you a pretty penny on whatever you've done to that sludge engine. Definitely go with a Barra Turbo motor to preserve the value of the vehicle nonetheless man!
"Honestly man I can't believe you managed to drive it around after finding out about the sludge! " .... my thoughts exactly.
Where are these 2k Barra turbos?
@@DardyDave Turbo master has them for around $2,200 I think thats correct last time I looked.
I agree they should have told you when they found the sludge and then advise you on what they should think you should do
@@Leosarebetter thats just for a turbo lol not the whole engine
1) Ditch Max performance - for starters they should not have installed valve springs on an engine like that. Lots of horror stories out of that shop. Bet they were happy to take your money though.
2) Ditch that motor or full rebuild. A replacement standard Fg turbo motor is fine for your goals. Do you really want to daily a built motor?
3) Go to seres enginering, Grieci or springy performance and chat about your goals ect.
4)Ditch Max performance
haha, yes pretty disappointed about it, i did ask them to clean it and charge me whatever, but they didnt want to . stay tuned for motor build video coming next
Since its gonna be a keeper and you have come this far with upgrading it, i’d recommend tearing the whole motor down and rebuilding it from scratch mate. Do it right the first time and once to avoid any more future headaches
That is the only thing to do.
Yeah and keeping matching numbers too.
Shit go but what's done is done. Best bet if it's a long term investment is to strip it down then have a long hard think about everything you would like to do to it cos now your possibilities are only bound by $$$ and what can actually be achieved. You've basically got the opportunity to build it to your specs( withing reason of the engine of course) you'll know what's into it and that it's all new and done properly. Buying a transplant could leave you open to the same or worse problems cos as U said buy secondhand the risk is on you. You've already outlayed the $$$ for the car you may as well invest what you'd be looking at paying for a transplant and then some and give it whateva your after instead.
@@wendyodriscoll1620 100% agreed, well said 👍🏽
Thankyou mate yes we’ll said ! I took your advice , supper late reply I know
Buy an engine stand, engine crane pull the motor. Get a workshop manual for it, you've pulled this far. Strip it, clean it, bearings, timing chain kit, rings, rod bolts gasket set. Carefully reassemble it basic build. Save some money, do something major later. It's still going now with it's current state. This will extend it. Nothing's just simple, is it. All the best mate👍
I had a Barra with the same sludge issue and over heating so I opted for a clean second motor with low K's from Boss wrecking, a thousand dollars later I was happy when I got the mechanic I use to inspect the second motor and also fit new radiator water pump and thermostat plus a after market trans fluid cooler seperate from the radiator, all up at the end of the day two grand total, now 5 year's on the motor is perfect still and oil changed every five thousand K's.
my f6 had the same sludge problem, i think its because ford says every 10k service. i think its to long hey, i always have done my 32 at 5k and that motor is still so clean and smooth inside. it has over 250k kms as well
@@daniel-it2lw realistically, how many K's should you change the oil at if you want a healthy/lasting engine?
Man I feel you. I had mine stolen last year. It was recovered but was thrashed. No coolant left in it. Insurance wrote it off due to the unknown damage to engine and trans among other things like suspension all fucked from rallying it through the bush during a police chase.
Anyway, I see the car is now for sale at a car yard in Sydney. No mention off being a write off. I feel sorry for who ever buys her. They probably about to get the same condition as yours is. Hope you clean and rebuild it. In the long run the matching numbers will be worth it. Good luck!
sorry to hear about your situation that sounds terrible, I bet the car yard had no clue, I did end up building this engine with a reputable guy so happy as now with it, super late reply but appreciate your comment thanks
i feel your pain dude, such a nice looking car. When you had your upgrade it would of been great if the mechanics told you to see it for yourself and recommend a fix back then.
Patience is a virtue in the long run bro!!
Matching Numbers is the only option...
No doubt thank you
I would suggest to build it that way you know what's in it when it got done etc you always take a risk with second hand motors and other turbo engines are always thrashed. Also if you pushing power and the motor let's go your just gonna replace it with a stock motor just to happen again I think a built motor will be best even if you only gonna use half a third of its potential it will be bullet proof for the power your after
That’s exactly what I’m thinking !
Good advice, build the motor and keep the matching numbers I am in the process of rebuilding my XR50T with similar km’s. The mods required for safe power would need to be done to any stock engine anyway. Engine out you can look at extra integrity stuff like main cap studs, main cap girdles, you can get the crank balanced with the upgraded flex plate the possibilities are only limited by the bank account
i hate fords! don,t know why i even started watching! but i gave u benefit of dout after your honesty in regards to mazda! i notice rolling medows im from diggers! maybe when my vl is done ill come find u! respect brother!
I rebuilt my FG MK2 T, I honed out the block for oversized pistons, long story short, the only stock thing in it now is the crank and cams. If I was to do my time again, I would just buy a built motor and save a fuckload in cash. I spent 18k where I could of have bought a HP Junkie engine for 12k slapped it straight in and off I went. My car has been off the road since April last year after a “tuner” put three valve springs upside down, I don’t know how he did, but it was possible for him to do it. It bent two valves and cracked the ringlets on piston 3. I regret waiting for deals on prices of parts, it cost me 6k more and that was suppose to be my 5 link. Drove it for the first time today. Base map, just waiting on my new tuner to tune it. However, if you want to go down the path of building your engine it’s, a great learning curve. I enjoyed my time, but I wouldn’t do it again. Haha.
Also, don’t waste your time on a Gassie. Just save that money and put it towards this one, send the engine off to either HP Junkie or someone in your area that is 100%. I was going to send my engine from QLD to Victoria just to be built.
Sucks to hear about your situation. I love these cars and really feeling for ya that you haven’t been able to fully enjoy the experience yet.
I’m subbed and looking forward to seeing you unlock its true potential. I’m in for the ride!
Thanks mate ! Built motor now and she is running good nice and healthy
Mate shit situation, feel for you, and you’re thinking through things is spot on. Can’t comment on what to do but will follow along, hope she works out in the end, nice looking rig
Thanks mate super late reply but love a positive comment
I reckon your gut feeling is to rebuild ! That’s what you gotta do mate. Awesome lookin beast mate. Thanks for sharing.
Yes thats it! thankyou ! and thanks for you comment, stay tuned for engine build video coming soon
@@georgeautoyes and keeping matching numbers too
The body is spot on mate and same with the interior, they are the really important things that are a nightmare to get right money wise. I would source out a built fg xr6 engine from a speed shop you can trust and cop it sweet while being grateful that body and paint are spot on. In the end you end up with one sweet ride that you know is done right and will go up in value. Go with e86 tune on the new one or just a 98 pump tune forget gas imo.
Being a 50th and in the trade mark blue, I’d be inclined to keep the number matching and rebuild it.
Hey mate, I am in the same predicament after tuner blew my motor, I know this feeling all too well. I ended up deciding on just a standard rebuild with oil pump gears. I got quoted about a 4-5K difference in price between standard with oil pump or full forged build. I thought long and hard about if I should just spend the extra, but I decided on not wanting to push further than 450rwkw's. I personally just don't want to fall down the rabbit hole of spending on the car, and start setting up my future. It's been documented fairly well that the stock motor with valvesprings, head studs and oil pump gears are good for up to 500rwkw. You'll have to start considering the ZF as well if you want pursue some serious power, as they cannot stand anymore than 450-500rwkw, only managing at that level with a good tune with some good torque reduction. You'll possibly have to do a stronger tailshaft and drive shafts as well. It really comes down to the future plans with the car power wise. Just for reference, with your current mods, you'd be good for about 420-430rwkw on E85, as your fuel system is at it's limit without a surge tank. Still plenty power, but if you don't intend on going further than you currently are, maybe not worth spending the extra coin for a fully built motor. Cheers.
You're a smart dude. Modifying cars is the most proven way of destroying your financial future. I know from experience.
New to your channel and just subscribed. I know how dissappointed you must feel. I bought an XD falcon that was in another state and had it shipped to me in Sydney. All seemed ok until I found a rust hole in the plenum big enough to put my fist through. But as the rest of the car was worth more to me than what the repair cost I got it fixed. That's what you should do George. You've got an awesome car that will only appreciate. Get the engine rebuilt, throw some extra horsepower into it in the process, and then you'll have the car you always wanted it to be.
Rebuilding it Brother!!! lacin and the boys will support you man!
Thank you I ended up going with Jason tunnel vision
Hi George
Sorry to hear about your engine issues but i seriously think you should rebuild that motor your ganna have to bite the bullet mate it will be worth it in the long run. Besides your keeping it so i would definitely do it.
Hey mate, sorry to hear about the bad luck buying the barra. They are great cars. I've owned my nitro blue xr6turbo for 8 years and still love driving it. I would definitely rebuild the motor, just buy a cheap run a round and keep the falcon for the weekends and special occasions, also keeping the ks down on it.
Thanks for the tips mate, ive built the motor and since then already done another 50,000ks in it,
Hey mate thanks for your post, i can totally relate to what you are going through. I think the benefits of keeping the original engine & getting it rebuilt by somebody you trust definitely has more benefits of stuffing around buying another engine that you know nothing about. I know you have spent some cash on it already but having the original engine reconditioned would be the way to go. Best of luck with it, please keep us posted on how things do.
Thank you for your comment , stay tuned for then next video dropping soon !
That sucks man ! Very unlucky
You see this all the time with fgs man. Very poor on Maxx for not helping you out with some sort of game plan before dropping 15k. Hope you get it all fixed mate
Nice car mate, same as mine. I'd pull the motor down and build it for my reliability.
Bad thing about buying from second hand dealers is not knowing the previous life it had before hand.
That colour isn't from being hot it's from not having regular oil changes. The fact that Max Performance didn't clean the cam cradles when they had them off is a bit off a worry and would be enough for me to never return. I've also seen plenty of fg's with rocker paint flaking like that. My brother has a 2010 turbo ute that he never services and it looks the same inside. Turbo oil feed was almost completely blocked had to use a pick to scrape out all the sludge. Turbo oil filter was the same. Just rebuild it so you know what you've got or you'll end up paying twice.
They should have told him to get a new motor or clean it at the least
@@randomdude4669 if they leave it there's more chance of it crapping it's dacks sooner and then they get to do a rebuild i suppose. 16k for a 400kw package is robbery.
@@Gooie69 i thought 16k was a rip off kids have done it for tons cheaper
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500kw Don't come any cheaper than this.
Thanks for that information , appriciate the comment
Good you exposed these types of dealers.
I’m on the lookout for a basic BA XR6 or XR8 and I am only finding thrashed abused examples.
yeah just really documenting what happend, not really trying to cause trouble, the owner of the car that traded it to these guys commmented saying they gave him 7500 for it
she'll be right mate, just rebuild it 1000HP+ Capable. You beauty a blessing in disguise.
I like how honest and open you are with your shit situation. If I saw that sludge, I would’ve parked it and start accumulating parts for a build. Definitely build it as a gassy is still unknown condition and limited in what you can do
Thankyou yes it’s good to just be open sometimes I think I’m maybe too open but it’s served me well I guess
12:12 the best way is get rid of most of the sludge is to do 3 oil changes with oil flush in it. It will soften the sludge off.
Thanks for the info will try next time
Bad luck mate, a good lesson for second hand car buyers to remove rocker cover before buying if allowed, car yards will be kept honest 👌. Best of luck .
Very true, thank you makes me want to do it on the next one
shit buddy thats really sad, hope you get it sorted... build a motor... that way you know what you have and you can pull max.... stay strong its a beautiful car... Abu your south african fan
Hey thanks bro for your comment ! stay tuned for engine build video coming next !
Had similar experience.
Bought a BF FPV turned out to be passing a bit of oil. Had excessive blowby and was up for a rebuild.
Like you I weighed up my options and decided to buy a 08' gas green top motor, then upgraded the valve springs and fit billet oil pump to it.
1200cc injectors and a 460 E85 compatible fuel pump. Also fitted a rebuilt upgraded 4speed auto from a performance shop in Melbourne capable of handling 400-450rwkw.
Tuner had issues getting the car to make power. It was much lower than it should have been for the boost it was running. Instead of the expected 400+kw it was making about 330kw.
We were wanting to run about 18psi but at about 15psi boost started bypassing rings and lifting the dipstick out.
Although the engine itself was cheap enough to buy... the cost of all the work and tuning was in vain.
In the end rebuilt the original FPV engine using new FG turbo pistons, rings bearings etc.
Long story short... build your original engine if the block and head check out to be ok.
Unless you plan on big hp no need to go forged. You can make 450kw safely all day long and have a happy drive train.
I'm really surprised Maxx Performance did the work after they noticed the sludge in your engine. That should of been a warning for them. Maybe something could have been done at that point to save you money. I feel bad for you mate, hopefully you can turn it round. Good luck.
I’ve been going there for years and been happy with their service , unfortunately for me modifications were under way , exhaust , turbo cooler before they opened it up for valve springs
Throw new acl bearing in with the calico costing and 360° thrust bearing. Had a similar situation after building my motor a heater hose popped off cooked the motor and oil the week before power cruise in qld last year to the point it started eating the bearings we changed bearings gave it two or three oil changes during the week to make sure all material was out and the I had fun at pc motor was still going strong till November last year when another side effect of cooking the motor cropped up which was blown head gasket that progressively got worse over time. I would look at getting a new head for yours as well given that one has been Cooked. When doing head studs also get the oversized washers as well.
You clean that motor bud. I have an FG XR6 turbo with 260000km was in the same state not it’s clean as a whistle and runs like a new car. I have built a lot of Barras and can help you out with your bike I’m only local as well. I’f your keen reply👍
Damn bro that's bad luck. Rebuild the original motor. Will be worth more in the future
I second that.
Thankyou yes I ended up doing that
It seems like alot of falcon owners are willing to spend bucket loads on parts but not build the engine, I think it should always be the first thing on the list, before anything else
while you can still go to the wreckers and just buy cheap motors it kinda makes sense, they arent really the weak point for most ppl so no need to spend money where it isnt needed.
@@themashedavenger5461 I wasn't talking about weak points, I was talking about making power
I also bought a turbo ute from car yard and it unknowingly had an N/A bottom end....... I found out the hard way when i blew rods through the block which took me on a journey to build my own forged engine and i haven't looked back, utes a weapon now. One positive in the whole situation was the BA ute had a 2012 fg turbo manual box in it so its strong AF.
If I were you I'd tear the engine down and if all the bits are salvageable rebuild it ,all the gunk will need to be hot tanked off your parts and i would get the block honed and replace rings, bearings and seals all round. talk to your local machine shop, they are always willing to help and give advice as it sounds daunting and expensive at first but a stock rebuild isn't really it's just a time sink.
Wow sorry to hear about your na bottom end , but glad to hear your car is a beast now ! Build is the way ! Stay tuned for the build in the next video
So it had a tr6060 in a ba? If so how much massaging was required for the tunnel?
Rebuild the existing engine, numbers matching. Complete strip to bare block and head. Get the block and head crack tested, given the signs of overheating. You already know what power you want at the rear wheels. Source rebuild parts, including oil pump and oil pick up, from a well regarded build shop that specialises in those engines. Maybe get them to do the head rebuild including polishing the combustion chambers etc. Costs you more up front but less dramas down the track and you retain numbers matching. Not to mention you end up with a cracking fast car that's reliable. Would like to see an update on the end result. Cheers
Yes exactly ! Stay tuned for engine build video dropping soonn
I'd pull the sump plug, drain the oil, pull cams out, diesel and a scrubbing brush, clean it all up, keep flushing it through, a flushing with diesel until nothing cruddy comes out any more.
Put cams back in , new factory chain and guides etc.
Fresh oil, I'd run it and change oil and filter every 1000klms up to 5000klms.
If all goes well, and oil starts coming out fairly clean at 5k, keep it and drive it, if it actually fails, build it, if not happy days.
This is the first time ive watched a video of yours but im definitely sticking around for the ride. I say full rebuild mate. Really enjoyed watching even though it was shithouse news. Good Luck with the mighty barra 👌
Thank you so much , stay tuned for the engine build coming soon
Nah man . You’ll rebuild the engine jus for another problem to occur . Your jus throwing money away bro . I owned one of these and couldn’t get a break with money . ALWAYS another problem
My experience is that if a Falcon motor has ever been hot or uses water you have a large problem. Davox.
Yeah rebuild was the go thanks for your comment
thank you for buying this car as i was looking at that car for the wife's new toy
Haha luckily I grabbed it saved you the headache
Wow ! What a saga. Your internals have been compromised through heat stress. If we're I , I would rebuild another engine. You know the history of this one. And it's sh1t.
No annoying I know ! Yeah rebuild is the way I think
Why heat stress? That colour and gunk build up is from not changing oil. The longer the oil stays in, the deeper the colour gets and the more sludge builds up. Proper overheating is totally different and will generally warp the head, nip up the pistons etc.
@@andynogo oil has degraded. Heat stress is imminent.
just build a $250 gas engine you could pull 400+ easily with cams and a big snail
this!
dont need cams for that power level.
@@Khalid-gw4gw but you can though.
I believe they are more thorough for roadworthy in VIC. Had a family friend buy a car sight unseen from NSW (they said the same thing all roadworthy etc) Well when that went in for inspection it failed miserably and she had to pay a similar amount that you have to get it roadworthy.
oh no thats so annoying, it was standard stuff though, bearings gone, shocks leaking, etc
You could just go a quickie gas swap, fb market place, $500, keep boost low,just to get it back on the road, then do freshy on the original motor, strip it, hot tank, hone, new bearings, reseal kit reassemble, paint job.
Depending on your power can go rods and pistons for couple k more,motors half built already with the pump gears and springs, add the rods n pistons about sorted up too 800-1000hp then.
Also, guys taking the cam bridges off and putting them back on covered in shit is a bit rough..
I love this idea thanks for your comment
The moment I heard flakes/shavings in the oil my heart sank, that really sucks dude I'm sorry. Seeing a motor rebuild with upgrades would kind of round out what you've already started working on with the mods so far!
Yeah well that's cars for you isn't it, I've actually had really good luck with my previous cars and never had to do a trans, engine or diff its only ever been small stuff, after 17 years of driving I figure one motor build I'm due for haha , trying to think positive, did you see the next engine build episode ?
@@georgeauto No, I didn't see it yet! Now I have another video for the watchlist :D
If you can still find a suitable s/h or low Ks motor (they are out there) to drop in and keep you on the road, then you can rebuild that matching numbers block at your leisure. I still think you have a very nice car and you are a legend for saving its arse. I love where your heart is at and I wish you all the very best.
If the engine is the original that came with the car, i'd do everything in my power to rebuild it or if its not the original then fuck it and chuck in a newer better cleaner engine and build that up. At the end of the day if it is the original engine, you rebuild it and keep it together with the car, 10-20-30 years down the track when the FG is a classic (kinda like how the old XA-XF Falcons, Kingswoods and Torana's are like nowadays) collectors will appreciate you having kept the car as original matching numbers and pay you more ;)
That said, i used to own a R32 GTR, i'm still kicking myself for having sold it for as cheap as i did since now even if i wanted to i could never afford one ever again lmfao
It may be a lot better in the long run to do up your own engine to the specifications that you want.
You also know how good everything inside the engine is and it should take a lot more punishment with out the risk of engine damage.
It would definitely cost more but the value for money and extra KILOWATTS should make you a happier than the unknown content of a second hand engine.
Doing your own engine with extra Kilowatts should also increase the resale value of the vehicle.
Good luck and please put another video up when you get it up and running again.
Thanks yes I ended up building the motor , check out the next video for more info on it if you're keen
the engine is damaged but we're to scared to try and clean it but we will bolt a bigger turbo and exhaust and tune more power out of it.
What a Shame mate. Thanks for sharing your story if it was me I would rebuild it, best of luck buddy.
Thanks yes that’s what the plan is , stay tuned for motor build next video
DUDE...you should have gotten a it independent inspection.. i brought from perth and got a guy to do a report and yes he found a few things to which i got the dealer to fix prior to shipping it.
Throw diesel oil in it every 3rd oil change- i did this in my 1200rwkw Tornado over the 7 years i owned it, and zero sludge.
I also did this on my 383ci XD, blown BA 6 cyl, and now on my FG XR6T running 500rwkw.
I also drop the oil every 5k on the dot. I did the diesel oil after an old bloke (who built many quick NA Falcons back in the late 90's) said to do it- _especially- if you live in the cities: stop- start can be hard on the turbo motor
Good advice just run the diesel oil constantly if it's penrite
Thanks for that info ! Appriciate it
Darn. I know that feeling. Bought my ISF from a Toyota dealer in Sydney. Shipped to Brisbane. Supposed to have a 160 point safety / mechanical check, signed roadworthy etc. Got to Brisbane and a list of stuff 😡😡
With your car, you have a great base. I would rebuild your engine. That way you know what you have and can do it exactly how you want it done. A real pain financially but a nice build that is clean for a start will be a known quantity.
I know that car yard. Bodgy Brothers 😡😡
some just said , pay once, cry once, thanks for your comment, stay tuned for the engine rebuild video dropping soon
Never ever buy a car without a pre purchase mechanical inspection. They cost around $250. Worst thing is you spent $250 to know you bought a great car.
Yeah I’m learning the expensive way here ,
tip for the future, if your gonna buy a car sight unseen id recomend a pre purchase. try find a reputable mecahnic within that area and get them to inspect it
Build that block bro. You’re halfway already. If you just throw a gas motor in, you’ll just be paying more money down the track to build that motor. My advice just pull the motor out and build it. Get it cleaned, machined and built.
So true , thanks for the input
Hey man... not a car guy at all, so most of what you were saying went over my head. But, enjoyed the story, think I'll follow along to see how it plays out. Hopefully all to the good. Side note, not sure why this came up in my recommendations, but glad it did. Subbed.
Lol. What do you expect. Gotta love the falcoon saloons 😂
Thanks
Probably sold it by now . "A Turbo Barra man" Sol's Creations has some brilliant posts re the NA Car and motor , he installed a turbo to the engine that he stripped and rebuilt from scratch . Hope you can find his work on YT . Everything is as clean as an operating room in a hospital when he is working on it.
Thanks for the laugh with your friend on the crow bar....a mirror image of myself getting the front plate off to get to the timing settings for the first time .
Rebuild, lucky I seen this I was planning on upgrading to a turbo and keep current 2009 fg xr6 as work/daily. Now I'll be more cautious. Feels bad man but if you rebuild I doubt you will have any regrets. That way you know what you have
Awesome video mate keep them coming and so shit when that happens it happened to me I got my GTSR from WA got all the way to Sydney and then wouldn’t start I was like I just paid 126k for a 🍋🍋🍋🤬 got it home and took it to get looked at and the injectors was to big 🤬 the W557 package are shit
Rebuild it as you wish to keep for the long haul, you can make it stronger and get even more power out of it. Its an investment!
Reckon I’ve seen you around haha, nice video bro!
haha no way ! where did you see me ? vic ?
@@georgeauto yeah man In Melbourne I reckon, a bit ago, but great videos and good background music too!👌🏽👌🏽
great video mate, I tell you what though, Im absolutely shocked that the tuning house that did the modifications continued with the sludge in that state, they should have called you before commencing any modifications and asked you to collect the car and have it sorted out. TBH I wouldn't blame the car yard, they wouldnt have known, however a pre mechanical inspection would have been beneficial.
Thanks 🙏 not blaming them for the sludge , more so that the car needed so many repairs for roadworthy after they told me it was , and then the fact they didn’t reply , car also had lock nuts on the wheels with no key supplied
@@georgeauto fair enough man, to be honest, Id be more concerned that the guys that did all the mods were okay doing that knowing what everything looked like under rocker cover, they should have halted all work, pulled the head off and had it inspected and cleaned.
Nice rig mate awesome colour, last of the Exocet Missiles. I got the same wheel on mine. I'd keep it because they will go up, but bear in mind you'll probably have to spend money beefing the ZF up in the near future if you do.
Thank you ! I love this wheel so nice , and love that it’s new ! Yes I think Building the motor is the way ! I might have to get a safe tune to keep the box in shape until I have some extra money for the box and diff / tailshaft , thanks for your comment
I purchased my FG 5 years ago and had the same issue you had. I just drove it around for awhile put some more K on it then rebuilt the motor. It has been great ever since. My xr6 isn't turbo. But I'm getting 255kw at the wheels natural aspirated. Too many mods to mention what I had done to it. But i give some example the cam package cold air intake, injectors extractors and exhaust along with platinum spark plugs and the tune along with LSD turbo diff racing fly wheel and fuel pump than all the racing internal parts in the engine It's not as fast as a turbo . Heaps of my mates said you should put a turbo package on it. With the mods I've done I can easily without needing to upgrade the motor bas ive basically done every mod for that already. But turbo stuff up to much. Every few years you have to replace it. So I just kept my car natural aspirated. My car scares the shit out of me when I plant the foot down. I don't know how you guys go with 300kw to 400kw+ to me thats too fast. It's a death machine.
Wow man that’s the most power I’ve heard of
From a NA that’s awesome you’d beat turbos easy with no lag , how does it sound ? I do not like the sound of a NA barra with an exhaust but I’m guessing with all those other mods that you have it must sound better then a stock one with the 2.5 exhaust
Even here in Melb, 2nd hand falcons and commodores are ridiculously expensive nowadays. Especially the manual v8 ones. Most ones in good condition here are selling for at least $30-40k minimum.
Prices dropped a bit now which is good
Pre vehicle inspection 🧐 cheap investment!!! NO PITY!!!! Silly buying a car ya haven’t seen!!!!
I bought a car from South East Autos! Right before I signed the contract, I thought I better get a pre-sale independent inspection done. Lucky I did, the independent mechanic found about $2k worth of issues! Including heating and aircon not working. They fixed it all and I still bought it. Lucky for me, the car has been great. But had I not got the pre-purchase inspections done, I would've been farked over too (after reading all the bad reviews, I was lucky).
wow, i totally should have done that! a simple reply from them would have been nice, not just to be ignored, maybe they will respond when they see this video now with thousands of views haha
@@georgeauto most of the online reviews about them say the same thing - total silence as soon as there's a problem! You're not alone. I was lucky! On a positive note, I love the colour of the falcon! Looks in really great condition paint/body wise 🙂👍
Rebuild amd keep it mate. Will go up in value in years to come. Great car
I know the feels bro.
wallet feels it :(
Hey man I live Queensland and was looking at a F6 Ute that was for sale privately. This car yard purchased the Ute before me then added $10K to the price, I checked out the car when it was private sale and took photos of the serial so I knew it was the same car. I checked the oil at the car yard it was still black, engine idle was off so they did nothing to the car but still added $10K. I got the hell out of there
Yeah bro they obviously try and make the most money possible, super late reply but thanks for your comment
Thanks for sharing the story very interesting but terrible news.
Yes it was thanks for your comment too , super late reply but got there
I’ve got a g6 2010 50 anniversary only on my red p’s can’t wait to turbo it. Love ya XR 50
thanks mate appreciate the comment! what colour is yours?
I have owned a mkii since almost new one of the gears on the timing chain let go, and needed an engine rebuild at 40k. I think it was the low gear check for wear, also if the motors start holding high RPM for longer than normal this is the VVT trying to compensate for the timing chain slippage. Also I have the same problem with the cam cover but I can tell you I have never overheated the motor and it gets vary regular service.
Definite rebuild. The cost compared to peace of mind is nothing. You won’t have any more problems after that if done right
My vy commy has 310xxx kms on it these old fords and Holden’s go hard as fuck!
Go to commie ! I was unlucky with this one
Make sure to give the engine a clean down before re assembly as well and be sure to check all tolerances. Get your oil pump ported as well and a atomic high volume spring get xr6 turbo development gears and billet backing plate. Make sure those get tolerance check correctly as well.
Thanks
I cant believe maxx performance performed the work on that motor. And super super surprised they put the cam girdle back in dirty.
That ain't cool
Yeah i wasnt too happy about that either, i guess they were too busy to do it
Sorry to hear about that engine mate I own a 2009 FG turbo manual lux pack hasn't even cracked the 100k kms yet bought from the original owner full service history and well mainted car. I have bought many cars from car yards in the past and always had a drama one way or another. You have to remember car yards are only in it for them selves and need to make a profit. Its in the yard for a reason. All my private buys have turned out lots better. Anyway don't lose faith in the FG I have owned heaps of fords over the years x series to b series. My FG I'd by far the best falcon I have owned. Bought dead stock and now has pretty much same mods as yours apart from turbo upgrade. Cheers
Nice ! yes i love my falcons they are so reliable, i just got unlucky on this one, but yeah stay tuned for the motor build video next !
Bro sry to hear this happened to you as it is a beautiful car.
I believe it is in your best interest to rebuild the the original motor with some go fast bits of your desire as later on the car will still have it's matching numbered motor..
Just an opinion.
I hope which ever decision you make you are happy with as they are our pride and joy.
Plenty of 250 buck barras in the wreckers. Do pistons n rods fordged and ur good to go. Have fun now.
Thankyou
100% do rods and pistons with a new timing kit with oil pump gears and head studs. I would have recommended a timing kit when doing valve springs as the broken guide would have been picked up then along with the leaking timing cover and sump. And that rocker cover seal kit is proper cooked. Those seals will be rock hard.
Thanks, yes thats the plan ! stay tuned for the motor build video coming next
Interesting and informative video George. Out of interest I tried calling South Eastern Auto sales and got a 'This inbox is full' message - sounds a bit odd. Also the box on the right side of the general internet search screen indicates they are 'permanently closed'. Hmmm. Their ABN is stil active though. Did you try to get an independant assessment - such as from the RACQ to check the car - can't recall?
Get a typhoon motor for it bro ,i loved my v8 fg one tonner ute 297kw at the rears with new extractors high flow cats and the the rest of the exhaust cold air intake and a flash tune and with the metal tray she didn't mind getting a bit loose in the ass end 😄 but total fun
Ah what a spew bro, such a shame man, still a very nice car though, I reckon take your time on this one and rebuild it yourself, forged bottom end, chuck a couple of atomic cams into it, and an atomic head, to match your stage 4 mods, Then retune and dyno with a zf box edit tune to support all your engine mods. But whatever you decide bro I'm sure it's gonna turn out sick! 🤙
I know I’m so bummed about it , I’m loving the car still , missing driving it , I think built is defiantly the way to go
@George Auto Yeah I agree bro, 👍 rebuild that engine, keep the same engine number with the vin of the car, numbers matching, just my opinion anyway 🤷♂️ 27 years a motor mechanic bro and have built a few sick engines and cars in my time......😁.....my first car at 16 was a one owner XB v8 single rail 4 speed falcon coupe, I bought from one of the mechanics at my work City Ford where I did my apprenticeship in the early to mid 1990s,👌 among 2 XY'S 1 XW, 1 XC an XF a VK calais and many others I've owned and built over the years, good times and I miss em all 😂
Lived this experience myself. Did a rebuild in my windswept carport. Needs must. Got a cracking turbo tonner six speed bf manual from the factory, still matching numbers,but what a learning curve
Wow man sorry to hear but amazing that you pushed through it and got it done ! We’re u happy with the final result ?
@@georgeauto still tweaking stuff. Looking like a bent axle on the rear. I'm happy with the engine though.
Speaking as a Ford man myself, ironically I had a Ford for many years which I spent a fortune on, gave me constant trouble and broke my heart and bank account - ironically I ended up buying a "Mazda 3" - which for 16 years has been bullet proof! I'd love an XR6 Turbo or an F6, but I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole given their long history of problems and unreliability.
Do a full rebuild , that way your not gambling on someone else's problems , and because its a 50th anniversary edition u wanna keep it numbers matching to retain value later on , good luck
Sort it out back to concourse. Keep it, enjoy the increase in value. Dion at Dynomite is 'the' guy to talk to. You do a basic rebuild that barra will last forever in your hands.
Ok thanks for that ! My plan is to make this thing really nice and keep it forever
I had same experience with a yard in Vic. Cost me more then 15k all together over the years fixing
Wow that’s crazy sorry to hear but at least you know now it’s sorted I guess
Look up how to do a kerosene engine flush. Thats what people do to clean out a sludgey engine like this. Run the engine on kerosene a couple of times to get the bulk of the sludge out before you decide to pull it apart to rebuild it. But id do the rebuild myself.
Thanks I’ll defiantly have a look into that , thinking rebuild is the best way
@@georgeauto You could also pull it apart and have the head and the engine block hot tanked at a machine shop, id kerosene it just so you can get all the crude out of the oil passages before breaking it all down. Some fresh rings with some extra gap, and some new bearings and send it on its way.