Share your thoughts: Would you have rather seen UCF been given the TCU treatment and potentially be blown out in the play offs or remain the biggest what if?
TCU won a playoff game after losing their conference title, no one thought they would and made the finals. It was a true Cinderella story though that ended tragically. (TCU also had the benefit of being a P5 team with multiple ranked wins) You mean the Cincinnati treatment when the got blown out in the first round. (A G5 team that went undefeated) UCF got punished for missing two regular season games even though they won out the rest of the season and won their conference title. Who is to say how the outcome would have been? People love to speculate but you won't know unless the teams play and coaches always look for favourable and the most profitable matchups I'm glad the playoffs are expanding so that the bs excuse of "they weren't a power 5" can't be used.
Mid-majors have sadly been ignored for years. Tulane in 1998. Utah in 2004 and 2008 before making the PAC-12 (RIP PAC). TCU throughout the late 2000s before making the Big 12. Boise for all of the 2000s and early 2010s. And we all know they only gave Cincinnati the bid in 2021 because Cincy had beat the #5 team (Notre Dame), on the road, meaning they had little other choice unless they wanted a potential lawsuit. Hell, even BYU, who won the last mid-major natty, was screwed out of having even a chance in 1996.
@@Mountaindwell4 honestly, I think 2009 TCU was the more shafted of the 2; the MW was every bit as strong as the B12 that year, yet they finished 4th in the BCS behind a Texas team that limped into the bowls after a 13-12 B12 title game against Nebraska, and a Cincy team from the Big East that was also limping in. IMO TCU should have had a shot at the title against Bama, and then it should have been Texas at 3, Cincy at 4. Realistically this is the best year post-2000 for mid-majors; by this point the Big East was a glorified mid-major anyway, and you had Boise and TCU. Sadly it only resulted in the "separate but equal" bowl and Cincy getting crushed by Florida.
@@RealBlueony You should look at the bowl records of the Big East. It was a legit conference that smashed the competition. Just looking at WVU, they beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl 35-28 starting the game 21-0 at end of the first, and that was essentially a home game for Georgia since it was played in Atlanta that year. Then in 2008 they smashed Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl after Coach Rod left them high and dry, and of course we can't forget the grand daddy of them all the 2012 Orange Bowl where WVU broke or tied 9 BCS records against Clemson in a 70-33. Scoring more points in the second quarter then Clemson did all game. From 2001-2013 the Big east won 8 BCS games. if winning 8 BCS out of 13 is mid major I guess no conference is a major conference in your eyes.
@@RealBlueony Yeah because the SEC has so much depth. Its a couple good team and then mediocrity. Vandy sure is in the running for the national championship every year.
So you're telling me that a well deserving Florida football team was kept from the playoffs because their starting QB broke his leg, even though the backup QB led the team to win their conference championship? Surely this will never happen again.
So weird that the EXACT scenario played out with fsu lol. they treated a (then P5, now P4) UNDEFEATED conference champion like they were in CUSA. It really is just SEC and B10... the only conferences they care about and making those two bigger by adding every other major fbs programs from PAC12 and Big12 just further proves they dont care about any other conference. CFB is so watered down now with this realignment bullshit
Leaving out teams from 'mid-major' conferences was a thing long before that; the last time an outsider won a Natty was 1984 and that still gets minimized.
@@thefloridaman7 If anything it was Washington that got robbed of a natty, not Florida. Also, regarding the NCAA stripping your SEC title that year, rules are rules, even if they aren't fair a good amount of the time.
@@thefloridaman7 Talk about not playing anyone, then say Florida would get it over washington? UW literally beat 3 times as many final ranked Top 10 teams.
They beat Auburn 😂 the same team who regularly gets stumped by nobody teams. The only time Auburn plays good football is when they play Bama or Georgia 😂
I said this last year and I’ll say it again the top 4 last year should’ve been Texas FSU Michigan and Washington Bama should’ve been left out considering even though Texas and Bama had 1 loss Texas has the head to head win and they’re both conference champs so it should have been obvious
I cant tell you how much the memories of this season meant to me. I was a sophmore at UCF and worked every single home game, besides USF which I attended with my brother. The raw emotions from that game will live as a memory with me forever. The championship vs Memphis, while I was working it, I had fans hugging me, cheering with me. I apologized to my supervisor for not holding in my emotions but they only did they not care, they loved it help create amazing memories for those fans too. Fans go their whole life without getting to experience even 10% of what I got to. I was so blessed to be part of this season and I wouldnt give it up for anything
Side note: The 2018 UCF team wasn't coached by 2017 coach Scott Frost, it was coached by Josh Heupel Yes; THAT Josh Heupel, Oklahoma legend, and the man that brought Tennessee out of the CFB cellar.
Dude is a beast, we had him as OC at Mizzou for a short stint and it was the shot in the arm we needed to get our act together. Until Drink tried to take the reigns himself
@@AuRoBoss Yeah, I have no clue how that happened. It hasn't happened at TN (yet). Unless that was the answer. Him and Danny White just didn't want to be there anymore
@@jakobbuckles4472 Nah just Heupel wasn’t a good enough recruiter at UCF. Frost was able to find those 3 star gems (probably got lucky) but Heupel couldn’t. Thats why Malzahns recruiting is nice to see lol
Just because TCU got blown out doesn’t mean UCF would’ve 5 years earlier that kind of extrapolation doesn’t work in football. Especially in college where every game is a toss up.
Its also a really dumb argument, because TCU has been screwed in the past and 2022 TCU doesnt hold a candle to teams in 09, 10, and 14 - even 05 TCU with LT would likely beat 22.
@@MattBuild4 maybe the Andy Dalton or LT teams could’ve made it a game but tbh no one on those older TCU teams was guarding Johnston, I think that’s the difference. But yea TCU should’ve made the BCS in 2010 over Oregon, even though Auburn probably would’ve beaten them, you can’t choose matchups based on “probably” you have to pick the best teams
@@gagejernigan5277 2009 and 2010 TCU literally ranked #1 in defense and 2010 TCU especially held 3 Top 10 offenses to season low offensive production. 50% of their opponents couldnt even score a TD on that team...... Id love to hear how you would even dream to imagine how 2010 was not a best team? That team had a resume that 95% of the teams to make the playoffs cant match. Back to Back Undefeated seasons - Beat 5 top 25 teams, including 2 top 10 teams - Beat 3 Top 20 teams by 35+ - Beat 1 top 10 team by 40 on the road - Ranked #4 in total offense (literally better than Auburn) - scored 41.6ppg; scored 60+ in 3 games - Ranked #1 in every defensive category - Shutout 4 teams 164-0 - Allowed 10.2ppg - Closest win prior to bowls was by 9 points - Averaged a 31.4 margin of victory per game If thats not good enough for a title, then this sport has a lot blind voters.....
I mention this team every year, this is why we have the super SEC, Cali teams in the ACC. Why have 8 conferences when only 3 or 4 matter. Good video my guy
Bevause money. They make money but like you said the other conferences don’t matter. Fragile egos aside this was the biggest moment UCF will ever have. And it was embarrassing
@@burgon.g82 went with my dad to a bar for friday fish fry and to watch the game... I think we just finished our food and left after that happened. What a bummer. Though I ended up going to the memphis championship game and was very impressed with how DJ mack stepped up
@@archiveacc3248 we all live in western North Carolina and randomly turned on the game and ended up experiencing it. Props to Milton for coming back for FSU tho
The push for a NC game started the decline. Particularly due to the NCAA and ESPN, if you aren't consistently in the top 15-20, you may as well not have a team at all. The UCF debacle showcased this. Then came the transfer portal and now NIL and players openly getting paid. So the game has lost its regionality, conference titles mean nothing and players just chase the money. They may as well break off the top 40 teams and start NFL AAA, let everyone re-tool, and maybe actual college football, where pride in your school means something, will make a comeback. And you know what, even in its current form, college ball still beats NFL all day long for passion, excitement and pride.
@@fate8718 I mean, look at the alternatives. If Alabama lost to LSU, who got slaughtered 30-50 by GA, would it have been any different if *they* got in over TCU? Expecially since Bama did exactly nothing the whole season? I doubt it. And Clemson and Tennessee couldn't even beat South Carolina. Call Michigan frauds all you like, but winning that semifinal outdid anything the other teams accomplished that year. Score could've been 70 - 3, it changes nothing. Georgia was just on a different level in 22. Bama and Clemson would've been beaten just as badly. The committee got that one right.
@whydoineedachanneltocommen8755 2 loss Clemson over Michigan or Ohio State yes TCU I agree deserved it 100% because they won a game I find the irrefutable
UCF from 2017-18 was one of the funnest teams I’ve ever watched. And seeing as my team wasn’t very great in that Era, I literally did not miss a game. Their games against USF and Memphis in back to back weeks were GENERATIONAL classics. I’ll never forget there first regular season loss to end there win streak. I’m pretty sure it was 2019 Kenny Pickett if I’m not mistaken. And then this all came full circle when as my previously mentioned favorite team got UCFs HC and Former QB. Josh Heupel and McKenzie Milton. (McKenzie is our offensive analyst for those that don’t know.)
Sorry Issac but this is definitely an exaggeration, UCF saved College football by giving us and proving to us that a larger playoff was needed very badly so stuff like this would not happen.
Sorry, Andrew and Kevin, but this is definitely an exaggeration. Clearly, you can't read. The title says, "ruined college football as we know it," not "ruined college football." Also, 12 teams is 4 teams too many, so I'll be the one to say college football is ruined since he didn't. Have a terrible day, and please learn how to read ❤
There's never been a year where there are a dozen teams who legitimately have a shot at winning the National Championship. It should've been expanded to six with no automatic bids, and the Go5 teams still being left out, as they deserved.
Agree, I lived in Orlando at the time, and most of those games were televised. They should have had a shot in at least one of those seasons. Even if they lost in the first round, it probably would have been viewed as fair by most people who watch football. FSU not getting in after going undefeated was probably the final nail in the coffin. Most of FSU's best players refused to play in the bowl game against Georgia. If beating every opponent you face, and winning your conference championship isn't enough to get you a shot at the national championship then there's something structurally wrong with how your championship is determined.
I started at UCF in 2017 and it was electric those years. The community was so close and campus life was great. We feel a lot of bitterness because of the delegitimization and frustration because other teams like Cincinnati and TCU got more credit because of our notable seasons. The LSU team was a rising superpower at the time, but I truly believe if McKenzie Milton hadn’t severely broken his leg that game, UCF would’ve come out on top in that game. All our hearts dropped seeing that and things went downhill the next seasons after that with coach and quarterback changes and Milton on staying on the sidelines and we all wanted him back but it just wasn’t going to happen. We all really didn’t like Heupel and we’re glad he left. At least it pushed our program more into the light, especially with a conference upgrade and I like Gus Malzahn so I’m hopeful that in time we’ll be back to a mother good season
I mean you have nothing to say to TCU about. Do you have any idea how screwed over that program has been...... You feel shafted? 2005 TCU ranked #7 in the country, beat #3 Oklahoma in Norman, was the highest ranked G5 team - didnt even make a freaking NY6/BCS bowl game...... 2008 TCU ranked #7 in the country - again didnt make a freaking NY6/BCS Bowl game 2009 TCU goes undefeated, beats more ranked teams than Texas, beats higher ranked teams than Texas, beats ranked teams by a larger margin thatn Texas, has the highest margin of victory of any team in the country, ranked #1 in the country for defense, and ranked higher on offense than Texas, mathematically had a higher SOS than Texas and the MWC literally went 4-2 vs the B12 in OOC - What are you crying about? There is no explanation other than $$$ for how TCU didnt make the title game. 2010 TCU- BACK TO BACK UNDEFEATED seasons. This team was on A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.... 17 UCF looks like a middle school flag football outfit to this team. You think UC beating #8 ND by 13 was impressive? 2010 TCU at #6 Utah: 47-7...... Thats 1 of the 5 Top 25 teams they beat and 1 of the 2 Top 10 teams they beat. Not only did this team not make a title game, they got JUMPED by 2 teams to not make the title game...... 2014 TCU - magically drops out of the CFP despite ranked #3 in the country, for "not winning their conference", which would be immediately disproven as a factor in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2021, and 2022.
@@MattBuild4 You are just mad 2017 UCF would wipe your team off the face of the planet. Literal world beaters - the best the sport has ever seen. Period.
What especially sucks is that now with NIL we’re probably never going to get G5 teams as good those UCF and Cinci squads again. Why go be the best player at Boise State or a legend at Temple when you could make millions being the number 2 or 3 guy at Tennessee or UCLA. It won’t happen, but I hope that within future playoff restructuring and unfortunate expansion that we put up at least one more guaranteed spot for a G5 team in the playoffs. If the ACC does indeed die, then there’s absolutely room for 2 G5 spots for each side of the bracket.
I have always thought that everyone at the FBS level should have a realistic path to the FBS title. And I have been thinking for a long time now, that the conference champions of the lesser conferences should eliminate each other in early rounds before squaring off with a strong at large team. Then after that, maybe one of them breaks through to a semifinal and perhaps a title game. I wish that UCF had that chance back in the day, but in order to do it on the playoff path that I imagined for them, they would have needed to defeat the number 3 team in the nation followed by the number 2 team and then the number 1 team.
Those years were nuts man it was 30+ points every damn game. Every week they had the best midhalf adjustments I'd ever seen. And yes they had a ton of NFL talent in all phases.
Yep that’s the part he didn’t mention all the nfl talent they had, Mike Hughes, Shaqeem Grifin, Gabe Davis, Trequan Smith, Jordan Aikins, Richie Grant. All draft picks who had good careers in the NFL, don’t get me started about Milton… 😢 Favorite CFB player of all time
I understand college ball is different but, if we use this logic for any other sport then the team shouldn’t be in the playoffs because it wouldn’t make the organization money. The 07 giants would even be in the playoffs. The college football playoffs 14-23 is an invitation to a tournament not a legitimate playoff system. The separation between the mid major/o G5 teams was artificial that we believe it and it took reality. The super league is coming and there nothing we can about it. If you pay attention to who was in the playoffs last year. It’s teams the are or are going to be in the SEC or B1G.
@@yourlocaltacobellmanager5664 damn. Didn't realize one player somehow could play every position on the field.... It's a team sport. FSU still won out without their starting QB. They deserved to make the playoffs.
As a UCF alum being in the Big 12 sucks we are literally on island and have to criss-cross the country every other week to play a conference schedule. The two closest schools, Cincinatti and West Virgina, are 1,000 miles away! We have conference games in Utah and Arizona that may as well be the other side of the planet. It sucks the ACC and Pac 12 have become irrelevant, if the landscape hadn't changed to Power 3 we would have been a great fit with the ACC with regional rivalries.
The roots were planted way before '17 and '18 ucf. We saw plenty of undefeated g5 teams not get a chance to compete in the BCS era... Plus 2016 Western Michigan as well. People were getting really mad by 2010 when TCU and Boise were perennially dominant and never got a shot
They only care about the SEC and Big 10, every other conference has to claw their way to recognition. A few years ago the Big 12 champion was left out of the playoffs because according to the committee they didn't have a championship game. At that time teams played the whole conference. Then the following year the same committee chose Ohio State over the Big 12 champion and Ohio state didn't even win their division, so no conference champion. Hell, last year Florida state should have been in playoffs but they were left out because they needed at least 1 token SEC team. I'm honestly surprised they didn't try and add Georgia in and boot Texas.
To be fair on that UGA/Alabama add Its the defending champs and Nick Saban Id have still booted Texas tho since they lost to Oklahoma and dont really care abt h2h in week 2 vs a first year starter But yeah nah the SEC and B1G are given nods SEC has earned the benefit of the doubt nod it gets Idk abt the B1G if we bein fr
there is no way you are being for real right now. when tcu got in the playoffs 2 years ago (which they shouldnt have) they got blown out. saying flordia state should be in the playoffs is crazy, when they were the higher seed in the game against Georgia and got blown out of the water by their 2nd string team. the big 12 has weaker teams and is a weaker conference than big 10 and sec. there is no debate
@@fw.beauuu Ik we aint blaming the fucking refs for Michigan being dogshit Ik we aint doin that And based off the ref report card it was 50-50 UGA prolly evicerates them regardless Ohio State played the game of they life and still couldnt get it done
It's really stupid to blame conference realignment on one or two specific teams. The conferences came apart as soon as the directors fully embraced the tv deals over regional associations and history. It's a billion dollar business, thats what drove the old conferences onto the rocks
College football was bound to change regardless of the UCF effect. We've had multiple co national championships throughout the decades since it's inception and fans have called for expanded playoffs since the BCS days. What you need to look into are the commissions themselves and the emergence of super conferences.
Fresno St fan here, I remember that 2018 season. We went 12-2 that season. The only G5 school with a better record was UCF. Could have been us in the Fiesta 😢. Anyway, great video.
The SEC ruined college football when they did their first expansion and created a conference championship game. College football was better in the 80's
The point of claiming the championship was to strike when the iron was hot and get UCF's name in the national conversation. In fact, by being snubbed they became a meme and will always be able to argue the "what if". Being snubbed was also the best thing to happen to them because they didn't get confirmed like TCU. So they became vilified the more louder their fans got, and the established team fans scoffed. Because people love to hate, it became a story that still is talked about today. Better to be a villain and be known, than the nice guy and be ignored (like Boise State). UCF was then able to better recruit, find some successes and good coaching hires...and found themselves in the Big 12.
I will always be a strong supporter of UCF. You see, in 2017, I went to Auburn and loved it. That year, Auburn achieved a remarkable feat by defeating both #1 Georgia and #1 Alabama within the span of three weeks. Such an accomplishment has never happened before in the College Football Playoff era, and I doubt it will happen again. UCF's performance that season was also exceptional. They went undefeated and finished 13-0 after winning the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl against Auburn. I will always recognize UCF as the 2017 National Champions. Additionally, Gus Malzahn is a talented play-caller and an interesting character.
Rivalry games will always be different. That's like saying "the 2023 steelers beat the ravens twice and the 2-10 cardinals beat the steelers. So the cardinals should be afc champions"
@@AndrewLe97see, but that doesn’t even make sense. In college football, it’s way different especially how they used to do it and it was that way UCF utilized.
UCF is my hometown school and having the perfect 2017 season (the only FBS team to do so) will always be special regardless of others' interpretations. While the Milton injury was sad, it could have been so much worse. The hit severed a nerve in his leg and had the injury occurred in a poor part of the country (i.e. Mississippi) the leg would have had to be amputated due to the time limits in such dire circumstances. I hope all football teams are better prepared for such scenarios ASAP. The Knights are arguably in the third best conference in the nation as a Big 12 team. Long may they compete at a high level.
I was there for all of it. It was an amazing time to be a student at UCF. Yeah, we got snubbed, but we sure lit everybody else's pants on fire. The hate was real. Thanks for this video - I love anything UCF. Couple additional details: 1. College Game Day paid a visit to UCF during that time, and it was great 2. The highest ranking we got was #6, which got bumped BACK to #11 at the start of the 2018 season 3. The Colley matrix listed us #1 in 2017, so we technically got in the NCAA book as co-champs with Alabama 4. Auburn had beaten both the title contenders, and we beat them, which is why we claimed the championship then 5. Shaquem Griffin did all his amazing defensive stuff with ONE HAND. He's only got one! 6. The UCF stadium is called the Bounce House because if everybody jumps at the same time, the stadium used to shake a lot. It was kinda scary
The reason why people use the LSU game to delegitimize UCF is because UCF lost to a LSU defense that was completely destroyed, many of their key defensive starters were out. Things were so bad for LSU depth wise in this game they had to replace an injured DB with a friggin wide receiver that had to be coached up on the spot to play the position.
And those same back-up players went on to have a Legendary season, so they weren't that bad off... And also, UCF was without their superstar QB who had led them to back to back undefeated seasons. And had to play with a freshman QB with an entirely different skill set so the offense was out of balance. So LSU may have had their defense messed up but UCFs offense wasn't rolling much either but still managed to put up 34 points. McKenzie would have put up 60 if he played.
@@RobotRebelCinema this is such a poverty take 🤦 it doesn’t matter what LSU would eventually become because in that moment UCF was playing against an LSU team missing virtually their entire 1st team defense. UCFs back up QB was wasn’t holding back their offense back they were still scoring hella points. This match up favored UCF to win and they lost to a defense that had to coach up a WR on the spot to play DB because that’s how banged up they were. If UCF played against a full strength LSU defense they would have crushed UCF irrespective if they had Milton or not.
@@fabiantaveras8458 It doesn't matter if they played with backups, those same backups still went on to win a natty as starters the very next season. And if Milton played against their full team he STILL would have lit them up. Not only was he good, he was the perfect QB for Josh Heupel's Offense. With him behind center that offense was unstoppable. He was very athletic with his legs, he was smart, and most of all he was a VERY accurate passer... He also had weapons all across the board. The fastest running back core in the country that year while throwing to NFL caliber WRs.
@@RobotRebelCinemaI don't think this argument helps the cause at all, back up QB that would have played in the playoffs vs much better teams than LSU. Either way UCF didn't belong in the playoffs if your back up QB is that much of a problem that they couldn't beat a depleted LSU team.
I was at the Austin pea game, the Auburn peach bowl game and the game KZ got injured. I also remember the absolute heartbreak of losing to that LSU team. Go knights, charge on ⚔️
I find it hilarious how the FBS is the one place where an undefeated team cannot get a shot at the national championship. Why is it the only one that does it when every other level of college football gives their undefeated teams a chance in the national championship?
@@eduardo18545 UCF was 5 years removed from the FCS when playing Alabama, Georgia was missing their best player for the first 4 or 5 games, and UCF had to play mostly 2nd string players by the time the game against Florida came around.
Auburn was also largely without the SEC offensive player of the year Kerryon Johnson. He was the bellcow. Gus only mistake that yr was leaning on him too much. He got hurt towards the end of the iron bowl & Aub didn't win another game bc he was the stud of that team. Instead of making the playoffs they sat at home and watched 2 rival teams they completely whooped play for a title. Kinda brutal really. AUB hasn't been the same since how that yr finished.They played for 3 sec titles from 2010-2017, none since
Not gonna lie, I loved all the hate I got leaving the 2019 PlayStation Fiesta Bowl. The UCF students were sooo pissed. I was on top of the world. The fans I met at the airport were cool though.
Yea, UCF fan here…. Dang, sorry about that. I wasn’t that upset we lost, it was a really good game. Though I was a little peeved that 4 separate LSU fans told me to go f*** myself while I was walking back to my car. 😂 Who says that after winning?
UCF was just the sequel to the Kellen Moore Boise State class that won all but 3 games they played and came within a field goal of busting into the BCS National Championship
@@john-wp5tisome of the ones missing were out for injuries not opt outs so yeah they won it all the next year but also younger freshmen that contributed the following year had another offseason to grow up.
04 Oklahoma paid its players as well so don't go singing their praises and then got dog walked by Reggie bush. *sigh* let the huskies go man they played a superior team and got smashed. I'm a gator fan and even I have accepted Bama blowing the gators out in the 09 sec championship as the correct timeline.
Mid majors getting a seat at the table will never be a bad thing in sports. I don’t want to watch Alabama, Georgia, and Clemson win every single year. I don’t give a fuck about southern football. I don’t care about any of those teams or that region as a whole. I want to watch teams from all over the country fly their flag and take a shot at Goliath. This is what makes sports interesting and fun. NCAA Basketball had it right when they started letting in teams like Furman and Oakland. College football needs more “little guys”.
If you don’t want to see the big boys win every year watch a different sport. UCF was never winning the natty and a g5 team won’t win the CFP now. It’s a sport of the haves and the have nots. Are upsets awesome? Yes. But a teams luck runs out way quicker in football.
What makes the UCF run more impressive to me was the quick turnaround. UCF was 0-12 in 2015 And then 13-0 2017. I still remember UCF calling itself the National Champions. People so badly wanted to humble us.
This is why I can't stand college football sometimes. Imagine you worked so hard all season long, putting blood, sweat, and tears out of the field every single week, working hard to go undefeated for the season, and yet you don't get a chance to be in the college football playoffs because the SEC is college football golden child, they always want an SEC team in the college football playoffs. I mean bruh do you know hiw hard it is to go undefeated once, let along twice in a row and yet still not gettung a chance to go into the college football playoffs. At that point, if I was a player, I would've just quit because it doesn't make no sense for a team go to undefeated twice and still have no git in making the playoffs. It's not their fault that other teams in their conference was terrible, and for the schedule part, bruh there's 134 teams in college football, do y'all really think that they are gonna make a hard schedule for every team, if not most of the damn teams out there, hell no so stop trying to bring that excuse up. I mean they did beat an Auburn team in that bowl game in 2017 in where Auburn was the #7 seed in college football, they barely lost to Clemson and LSU that year and they had beaten 2 #1 seeds in the same season by beating #1 Georgia in a blowout and #1 seed Alabama 26-14 so Auburn wasn't no joke that season at all and UCF beat Auburn in that bowl game that yeear in a very close with UCF defense making a game winning interception to complete the undefeated season, then in 2018, they go undefeated again, plays LSU in a bowl game in which they took LSU down to the wire and ended up losing by only 8 points with the score of 40-32. UCF trailed by LSU only by 3 points ar halftime and losing by 8 points at the end of it and what's even craziest point about this is that UCF only had the ball for barely over 15 minutes for time of possession and they still gave LSU a run for their money and still losing by 8. Also remember they gave LSU a run for their money before LSU became LSU with Joe Burrow, Ja'Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson and the crew. This game is what started LSU run to winning the national championship that next season and my boy Joe Burrow becoming the greatest single season quarterback of all time that year. I mean if that doesn't tell you that UCF deserve to be in the college football playoffs and had shown that they can play and beat "better competition and beating and being competitive with other better teams and bigger schools" than I don't know what is then.
I’ll tell you how it doesn’t prove it. Alabama the team that got in over them went on to win the natty, the Auburn team they beat got steamrolled by Georgia in the sec championship. And if you would like to point out that the iron bowl has crazy things happen all the time. It’s a rivalry so them losing doesn’t mean UCF would beat them. UCF also played no good teams outside of a meaningless bowl game. And the LSU team was missing pretty much its entire defense. Oh yeah and they lost to LSU
@kozren Okay then, what's the point of going undefeated twice then if they are not even gotta have a chance. You probably didn't read my comment, but I said that UCF gave LSU a run for their money, and that game went down to the wire, even though they lost, and you said that Auburn got steamed rolled in that SEC Championship game, well once again, that Auburn team was no joke. They beat 2 #1 seeds that year in Georgia and Alabama. Even in their losses, they were competitive. Lost to Clemson by 8 points in a defensive battle game, lost by 4 to LSU, and then in that bowl game against UCF, that game went down to the wire with UCF winning that 7. Like I said, it's not their fault that the teams in their conference are just trash like damn, you can't blame that on them
@@Kings0424 You may not be able to blame them for their conference being atrocious. But you can certainly use it to actually use logic. They went undefeated 2 seasons in a row yes. But once again that doesn’t matter. It’s like a g-league team in the nba going undefeated. Does that mean they should have a shot at the nba finals? No because the comp doesn’t compare. And while Auburn was decent we can’t build them up to be some extreme heavyweight. I like Auburn decently well but Jordan O’Hare is literally voodoo magic levels of home field advantage. Like it’s actually weird. And one of those games got proven as a one off. Call it pointless all you want but they have the option to schedule power 5 schools. And they had tight games with their conference. That doesn’t exactly build hope.
@kozren And this is why I'm glad to be a 12 team college football playoffs to have more teams in the playoffs. I mean then what do you want them to do to earn their college football playoffs spot. Y'all want them to go undefeated for 4 or 5 straight years just to finally get their respect. This is why I will never understand people like you because y'all always wanna see an SEC school in the college football playoffs. I don't care what anyone says but UCF should had a chance of being in the college football playoffs.
@@Kings0424 people want to see a sec school in there every year because it’s the strongest conference in college football. And outside of the two Clemson won (go tigers) won every natty from 2015-2022. Like it’s not close. I’m sorry I’d love to see UCF compete and have a good game in the playoffs. But if they would have been in either of those it would have been a blowout. I’d rather have good games than variety for the sake of inclusion. I dont care if they go undefeated 5 years in a row. If they are playing a g5 schedule I would not put them in.
5:19 Just want to point out that Austin Peay is an fcs school and while ucf dropped 73 on an fcs school, they also gave up 33 points to that same school. Let's also mention the other teams that have went unbeaten and were not chosen for the cfp so we don't say it's JUST the florida schools 2016: Western Michigan 2017 and 2018: UCF 2020: Cincinnati 2020: Coastal Carolina 2023: FSU 2023: Liberty
I agree, but there is something to be said for what championship level looks like. Just compare 2017 season vs unranked and ranked teams vs obvious championship caliber G5 teams (2010) 17 UCF: 13-0 ranked #6 unranked: 61-17 38-10 51-23 63-21 31-21 73-33 31-24 49-24 45-19 Ranked vs #7 - 34-27 vs #21 - 49-42 vs #24 - 62-55 2OT, 40-13 2010 WAC Champ (highest #2, finished #7) unranked : 51-6 59-0 67-14 48-0 59-20 62-14 51-0 50-14 Ranked: - at #11 31-34 OT - at #13 33-30 - vs #14 36-3 - vs #18 52-7 - at #24 47-14 2010 MWC Champ (highest/finished #2) unranked: 62-7 41-24 27-0 45-0 31-0 48-0 40-25 66-17 ranked: - vs #4 21-19 - at #6 47-7 - vs #16 45-10 - vs #21 38-7 - at #24 30-21 Both of these teams played nearly twice as many ranked teams and still managed over a 10+ point larger margin of victory than 2017 UCF.
People saying my Sooners didn’t deserve that 4th spot in the playoff must be joking. Notre dame played a weaker schedule and they don’t play in a conference, they should’ve never been considered for that spot to begin with
So Oklahoma played 10 power 5 teams with an average record of 6.3 wins and 6.3 loses. Notre Dame played 10 power 5 opponents with an average record of 7.4 wins and 5.6 loses. You also can't say "Oklahoma played in a conference" Oklahoma lost to Texas in the regular season. If they didnt play in a conference they wouldn't of been able to get that game back and would of definitely had no chance lmao. OU needed that game because again they lost.
Even Auburn when they had Jason Campbell and Cadillac Williams or Penn State when they had Robinson at QB both teams went undefeated but didn't get a chance to play for the title
Wanna know why I know they gave it their all? Because UCF was talking mad shit leading up to the game saying they were the faster team. So Auburn players wanted to shut them up and prove to them they were nothing. As we can see Auburn is the one that got shut down.
I remember the memes after the LSU game where they were like "UCF wants Bama and they can't even handle LSU with their backup QB" little did they know lol. Feel bad for that team fr.
Yeah, but if we had our QB and he hadn't got injured the year before we would've won against LSU and Joe burrow just like we beat Auburn the year before. We were stacked
Sec D rider In here I see. Outside of Georgia and bama the rest of the SEC is just like any other power 5 conference LSU is good every 5-6 years or so auburn had that one championship with newton and Florida hasn’t been amazing since Tebow days. Arkansas is ass ole miss ass A&M is ass miss state is also ass Tennessee can’t let go of the 90’s. Mizzo is ass and Vanderbilt gets beat by FCS schools.
And what is UCF's record vs Alabama...umm...1 and 0. UCF got invited to be the homecoming sacrifice years ago and won it with a walk-off field goal. Alabama hasn't agreed to play them since.
You can't deny that the expanded playoff is a result of UCF making waves. Conference realignment was triggered by UCF, BYU, Houston, and Cincinnati moving to the Big 12. We took that opportunity because of our lack of participation in the playoffs while undefeated. Then all these other conferences started moving around soon after.
@@icekirbyixi the expanded playoff has nothing to do with UCF and the Pac 12 teams jumping ship was because their commissioner was bungling the new tv deal.
@@Bumafa ok man. I respect your opinion. But to say UCF had nothing to do with playoff changes is bonkers. It was dead silent until the uproar. I would bet my bank account we wouldn't have an expanded playoff today if UCF didn't go undefeated for two seasons and have college game day visit their campus, etc.
@@Bumafa like I'm not denying that it would've happened eventually. But we wouldn't have it as soon as this year if not for UCF. There were little to no talks about it until that run and the claim. That spraked talks and expedited the change.
@@icekirbyixi it wasnt dead silent, because there was uproar from when 2014 TCU got snubbed, plus an undefeated G5 team in 2016. Plus controversial selection of Ohio State over Penn State in 2016. There were grubblings even at the start of the CFP, because of how the trainwreck that was the BCS ended. A lot of people dont remember that the BCS and NCAA were getting by the federal government during the BCS because of the lack of a playoff. The MWC submitted an 8 team back in 2009, so when the 4 team CFP was announced this really wasnt what a lot of people were looking for. Add immediate controversy in 2014 with a team that literally came from the MWC and was heavily involved in sparking the federal lawsuits....... people were in fact talking before. In fact the reason why the G5 likely has a spot in the 12 team is still far more likely because of the 2009-2012 lawsuits. This isnt to take anything away from UCF, but those lawsuits scared the crap out of the league, and executives were literally told by the US Senate that keeping a system in place which prohibits types of schools from making the playoffs could be very easily seen and proven to be criminal anti-trust and anti-competition behavior.
I wish that KZ injury never happened. Great leader and person on top of being an amazing QB those two years. I was a student at UCF for these seasons and will never forget. GKCO ⚔️
If UCF played in a real natty game they would’ve gotten the TCU treatment by Bama, Georgia or Clemson. But that’s something many UCF fans are too deluded to recognize that simple fact.
@@fabiantaveras8458I mean we don’t know that, they did beat a team who took down Bama and Georgia. So they may have won the natty, but we don’t know. That’s the biggest what ifs we’ll ever get
@@dawsonbennett6808 they beat an Auburn team that honestly had nothing to play for, Whereas UCF had everything to play for. I'm sorry but you think Auburn is gonna play UCF exactly how they played bama? you're fooling yourself. This game was a perfect storm for UCF and they capitalized on the opportunity.
@@fabiantaveras8458 I mean ya, Auburn still played like a team who beat two number one ranked teams. They knew about UCF’s situation and they could’ve beaten them, but UCF just simply won. If you want a team who played like that look at Florida State, they literally had nothing to play for and it showed whereas Auburn still played like they should’ve
I have been saying this for years, other teams have had similar impacts that led to ucf’s success in 2017-2019, but for sure that ucf team played a giant part in the landscape of college football
Well the Florida gov’t is one of the worst in the country. Worried about petty issues like sexual identity and not important problems like squatting, unemployment, infrastructure etc
If they got it together Florida might be the best state in the country. The weather is great most of the year and a lot of things to do. But nope, DeSantis obsessed with Disney instead of his own state
Those 2017 and 2018 teams, with a healthy Milton, could go toe to toe with anybody. I'm glad they raised that 2017 National Champions banner. As you can see it, it's even in the NCAA 25 video game. Game changer!!!
The claiming of a national title by UCF is ridiculous. I totally agree that they should have been given an opportunity to prove it on the field. There’s not a single honest UCF fan that will make the claim without feeling a little weird about it or needing to defend the claim. As a Miami fan I’m just now learning about this “claim” nonsense. Apparently my 5 time National Champion Canes have an additional 5 unclaimed titles. Man the 10 times National Champion Hurricanes sounds a hell of a lot better 😅
Fun fact, at UCF in the stadium, in the rafters, they have a giant banner that you can see all around the stadium that says “2017 National Champions” They crowned themselves national champions lol
When I see this one thing comes to mind TCU a couple years ago the small school finally got to the championship and got killed.. I can almost guarantee you if UCF played Alabama it would been a 65-7 kind of game for UCF
I mean the problem is you completely discount whose actually on these teams though. You say 2022 TCU got destroyed by georgia, so obviously all small schools are bad. You put 2010 TCU against that Georgia - it aint happening..... 2022 you get Max Dugan...... 2010 you get Andy Dalton - the practice squad vs 13 NFL seasons + 3X all pro might tell you theres a difference in talent there..... 22 TCU vs Baylor: 29-28 10 TCU vs Baylor: 62-7 22 TCU vs SMU: 42-34 10 TCU vs SMU: 41-14 22 TCU vs Oklahoma State: 43-40 2OT 10 TCU vs Oklahoma State: 45-10 22 TCU best win: vs #12 KSU: 38-28 10 TCU best win at #6 Utah: 47-7 22 TCU best post season win: vs #2 Michigan 51-45 10 TCU best post season win: vs #4 Wisconsin: 21-19 (last time Wisky won the B10 - had Montee Ball, JJ Watt and Russel Wilson) One of these teams ranked #1 in defense in back to back season led by a hall of fame DC, revolutionized the 4-2-5 scheme, averaged 32.4 margin of victory per game, shutout 4 teams 164-0, and had 12 future NFL draft picks on their team.... the other was coached by Sonny Dykes...... Only teams to ever beat Dalton TCU were - #2 Utah (the team that destroyed Saban), #3 Oklahoma (Bradford), and #3 Boise State (Moore).
As a Knight who was there during these years... I was HYPED Did I think we had a chance of winning the national championship games? No. Lol, not at all. Did I still claim the national championship to piss people off? Absolutely
It wouldn't completely fix things, but preseason rankings should be abolished. And don't tell me that the CFP committee doesn't look at the AP and Coaches' polls. They do.
As a UCF fan and alumni, I have a little doubt that Alabama would have beat us without McKenzie Milton. Even in an alternate universe where he didn’t get hurt, I wouldn’t give us better than a puncher’s chance. But that team deserved to lose the national championship on the field. Not in a smoke-filled room. I’m glad the system that prevented that crumbled.
Share your thoughts: Would you have rather seen UCF been given the TCU treatment and potentially be blown out in the play offs or remain the biggest what if?
Tcu won a playoff game tf are you talking about. Just cause they lost in the national championship doesnt discredit their run
@@spencerleland6772 Exactly.
TCU>UCF
TCU won a playoff game as others have said. I think you mean the Cincy treatment.
TCU won a playoff game after losing their conference title, no one thought they would and made the finals. It was a true Cinderella story though that ended tragically. (TCU also had the benefit of being a P5 team with multiple ranked wins)
You mean the Cincinnati treatment when the got blown out in the first round. (A G5 team that went undefeated)
UCF got punished for missing two regular season games even though they won out the rest of the season and won their conference title. Who is to say how the outcome would have been?
People love to speculate but you won't know unless the teams play and coaches always look for favourable and the most profitable matchups
I'm glad the playoffs are expanding so that the bs excuse of "they weren't a power 5" can't be used.
Mid-majors have sadly been ignored for years. Tulane in 1998. Utah in 2004 and 2008 before making the PAC-12 (RIP PAC). TCU throughout the late 2000s before making the Big 12. Boise for all of the 2000s and early 2010s. And we all know they only gave Cincinnati the bid in 2021 because Cincy had beat the #5 team (Notre Dame), on the road, meaning they had little other choice unless they wanted a potential lawsuit. Hell, even BYU, who won the last mid-major natty, was screwed out of having even a chance in 1996.
I’ll never forget those Boise State teams. They were incredible And got shafted hardest of them all. Tcu got blasted as well
@@Mountaindwell4 honestly, I think 2009 TCU was the more shafted of the 2; the MW was every bit as strong as the B12 that year, yet they finished 4th in the BCS behind a Texas team that limped into the bowls after a 13-12 B12 title game against Nebraska, and a Cincy team from the Big East that was also limping in. IMO TCU should have had a shot at the title against Bama, and then it should have been Texas at 3, Cincy at 4. Realistically this is the best year post-2000 for mid-majors; by this point the Big East was a glorified mid-major anyway, and you had Boise and TCU. Sadly it only resulted in the "separate but equal" bowl and Cincy getting crushed by Florida.
@@RealBlueony You should look at the bowl records of the Big East. It was a legit conference that smashed the competition. Just looking at WVU, they beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl 35-28 starting the game 21-0 at end of the first, and that was essentially a home game for Georgia since it was played in Atlanta that year. Then in 2008 they smashed Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl after Coach Rod left them high and dry, and of course we can't forget the grand daddy of them all the 2012 Orange Bowl where WVU broke or tied 9 BCS records against Clemson in a 70-33. Scoring more points in the second quarter then Clemson did all game. From 2001-2013 the Big east won 8 BCS games. if winning 8 BCS out of 13 is mid major I guess no conference is a major conference in your eyes.
@@piccilo72 The Big East had some top end talent post-2004, but the depth was nowhere near the other "major" conferences.
@@RealBlueony Yeah because the SEC has so much depth. Its a couple good team and then mediocrity. Vandy sure is in the running for the national championship every year.
So you're telling me that a well deserving Florida football team was kept from the playoffs because their starting QB broke his leg, even though the backup QB led the team to win their conference championship? Surely this will never happen again.
I wanted to include so many jokes like this, they literally wrote themselves but I just never got around to putting it in the script.
So weird that the EXACT scenario played out with fsu lol. they treated a (then P5, now P4) UNDEFEATED conference champion like they were in CUSA. It really is just SEC and B10... the only conferences they care about and making those two bigger by adding every other major fbs programs from PAC12 and Big12 just further proves they dont care about any other conference. CFB is so watered down now with this realignment bullshit
Me and Boo Corrigan are going to have a conversation in the parking lot if I ever meet him
Florida State not Florida, two different schools. Rivals as well.
@@Terrell070he’s saying Florida because both UCF and fsu are from Florida he’s just pointing out how ironic both teams are from the same state
That season's UCF v. USF game was the Top 5 best game I've seen.
I saw the end. It truly was epic.
Apparently the USF QB was getting death threats from UCF fans prior to the game
Leaving out teams from 'mid-major' conferences was a thing long before that; the last time an outsider won a Natty was 1984 and that still gets minimized.
That's because the university of Florida won the natty in 84 but was taken away by the NCAA. BYU didn't really play anyone that year
@@thefloridaman7 If anything it was Washington that got robbed of a natty, not Florida. Also, regarding the NCAA stripping your SEC title that year, rules are rules, even if they aren't fair a good amount of the time.
@@RealBlueony if Florida was able to play in the championship and bowl game they would've for sure won the natty, atleast by some publications
@@thefloridaman7 maybe some smaller ones, but Washington still has a better case IMO. It would have been controversial no matter what tbh
@@thefloridaman7 Talk about not playing anyone, then say Florida would get it over washington? UW literally beat 3 times as many final ranked Top 10 teams.
You can't tell me this was 6 years ago, it feels like last year. Damn, I'm getting old...
Same man, just turned 27
@@NeptuneGuy78 Goddamn unc
@@richardbulger3199 Lol so old right. When did unc become applicable to people in their 20s?
same
@@richardbulger3199everyone an unc to a baby
The 1998 Tulane Green Wave walked so the 2017/18 UCF Golden Knights could run.
Ehhhhhh I think both the 2009 and 2010 Boise State Broncos would like to chime in on that conversation.
And it's just UCF Knights... They're not the Golden Knights. That's Army
@@RobotRebelCinemayep. Or a hockey team in Vegas.
And they ran so 2021 Cincinnati could finally reach the playoffs as the first G5 team to make it
@@RobotRebelCinemaarmy is the black knights
The icing on the cake in 2017 was that UCF beat the team that beat both teams playing in the National Championship.
But the rest of the teams were undefeated?
@@robboss4617that was the 2018 season and bracket
It’s almost like the transitive property dosent work🤯 not to mention UGA got their get back and was the sec champion
They beat Auburn 😂 the same team who regularly gets stumped by nobody teams. The only time Auburn plays good football is when they play Bama or Georgia 😂
@@BoostedYotecrazy because their only losses were to Florida and Georgia in a rematch in the sec championship game.
So being an undefeated team from Florida ain't good enough, got it.
Only if you are the one in the Select Exclusive Club.
@@qwilliams1539 It just means more 😭
@@HimDownStairz More bias indeed.
Yep apparently as we saw last year with FSU😢 they should’ve gotten in
I said this last year and I’ll say it again the top 4 last year should’ve been Texas FSU Michigan and Washington Bama should’ve been left out considering even though Texas and Bama had 1 loss Texas has the head to head win and they’re both conference champs so it should have been obvious
Those UCF and Memphis teams were STACKED with NFL talent
I cant tell you how much the memories of this season meant to me. I was a sophmore at UCF and worked every single home game, besides USF which I attended with my brother. The raw emotions from that game will live as a memory with me forever. The championship vs Memphis, while I was working it, I had fans hugging me, cheering with me. I apologized to my supervisor for not holding in my emotions but they only did they not care, they loved it help create amazing memories for those fans too. Fans go their whole life without getting to experience even 10% of what I got to. I was so blessed to be part of this season and I wouldnt give it up for anything
Best part of my college years. I was also a sophomore for the 17 seasons and went to every home game. KZ injury still makes me sad
Side note: The 2018 UCF team wasn't coached by 2017 coach Scott Frost, it was coached by Josh Heupel
Yes; THAT Josh Heupel, Oklahoma legend, and the man that brought Tennessee out of the CFB cellar.
Dude is a beast, we had him as OC at Mizzou for a short stint and it was the shot in the arm we needed to get our act together. Until Drink tried to take the reigns himself
Heupel almost killed UCF football after that season
@@AuRoBoss Yeah, I have no clue how that happened. It hasn't happened at TN (yet). Unless that was the answer. Him and Danny White just didn't want to be there anymore
@@jakobbuckles4472 Nah just Heupel wasn’t a good enough recruiter at UCF. Frost was able to find those 3 star gems (probably got lucky) but Heupel couldn’t. Thats why Malzahns recruiting is nice to see lol
@AuRoBoss but he gets the #2 qb in the country at tennessee??
Just because TCU got blown out doesn’t mean UCF would’ve 5 years earlier that kind of extrapolation doesn’t work in football. Especially in college where every game is a toss up.
Its also a really dumb argument, because TCU has been screwed in the past and 2022 TCU doesnt hold a candle to teams in 09, 10, and 14 - even 05 TCU with LT would likely beat 22.
@@MattBuild4 maybe the Andy Dalton or LT teams could’ve made it a game but tbh no one on those older TCU teams was guarding Johnston, I think that’s the difference. But yea TCU should’ve made the BCS in 2010 over Oregon, even though Auburn probably would’ve beaten them, you can’t choose matchups based on “probably” you have to pick the best teams
@@gagejernigan5277 2009 and 2010 TCU literally ranked #1 in defense and 2010 TCU especially held 3 Top 10 offenses to season low offensive production. 50% of their opponents couldnt even score a TD on that team......
Id love to hear how you would even dream to imagine how 2010 was not a best team? That team had a resume that 95% of the teams to make the playoffs cant match.
Back to Back Undefeated seasons
- Beat 5 top 25 teams, including 2 top 10 teams
- Beat 3 Top 20 teams by 35+
- Beat 1 top 10 team by 40 on the road
- Ranked #4 in total offense (literally better than Auburn) - scored 41.6ppg; scored 60+ in 3 games
- Ranked #1 in every defensive category
- Shutout 4 teams 164-0
- Allowed 10.2ppg
- Closest win prior to bowls was by 9 points
- Averaged a 31.4 margin of victory per game
If thats not good enough for a title, then this sport has a lot blind voters.....
@@MattBuild4 what I meant was TCU should’ve gotten in over Oregon that year. But I still think Cam would’ve beaten them.
@@gagejernigan5277 na they should have gotten in over florida state
I mention this team every year, this is why we have the super SEC, Cali teams in the ACC. Why have 8 conferences when only 3 or 4 matter. Good video my guy
I mean the 12 teamer was cool regardless
And we mention expansion and not the bum ass shit the B1G did just to be second place to the SEC still
Bevause money. They make money but like you said the other conferences don’t matter. Fragile egos aside this was the biggest moment UCF will ever have. And it was embarrassing
That Milton injury was brutal.
So bad that we all remember where we were when it happened
@@archiveacc3248 I was at my grandparents’, just finished dinner
@@burgon.g82 went with my dad to a bar for friday fish fry and to watch the game... I think we just finished our food and left after that happened. What a bummer. Though I ended up going to the memphis championship game and was very impressed with how DJ mack stepped up
@@archiveacc3248 we all live in western North Carolina and randomly turned on the game and ended up experiencing it. Props to Milton for coming back for FSU tho
i was there in person. lots of respect even from their rival
The push for a NC game started the decline. Particularly due to the NCAA and ESPN, if you aren't consistently in the top 15-20, you may as well not have a team at all. The UCF debacle showcased this. Then came the transfer portal and now NIL and players openly getting paid. So the game has lost its regionality, conference titles mean nothing and players just chase the money. They may as well break off the top 40 teams and start NFL AAA, let everyone re-tool, and maybe actual college football, where pride in your school means something, will make a comeback. And you know what, even in its current form, college ball still beats NFL all day long for passion, excitement and pride.
You can’t really say TCU was weak when they won their semi final, but other than that great vid!
I mean
65-7
And Michigan/Ohio state constantly got into the playoffs but were fraudulent as hell lmao
@@fate8718so you wanted a 3 loss k state or Utah instead?
@Bravesfan12345 Id have Taken a 2 loss Clemson squad
Alabama/Tenessee also have arguments but iirc Clemson won the ACC so like
@@fate8718 I mean, look at the alternatives. If Alabama lost to LSU, who got slaughtered 30-50 by GA, would it have been any different if *they* got in over TCU? Expecially since Bama did exactly nothing the whole season? I doubt it. And Clemson and Tennessee couldn't even beat South Carolina.
Call Michigan frauds all you like, but winning that semifinal outdid anything the other teams accomplished that year. Score could've been 70 - 3, it changes nothing. Georgia was just on a different level in 22. Bama and Clemson would've been beaten just as badly. The committee got that one right.
@whydoineedachanneltocommen8755 2 loss Clemson over Michigan or Ohio State yes
TCU I agree deserved it 100% because they won a game
I find the irrefutable
UCF from 2017-18 was one of the funnest teams I’ve ever watched.
And seeing as my team wasn’t very great in that Era, I literally did not miss a game.
Their games against USF and Memphis in back to back weeks were GENERATIONAL classics.
I’ll never forget there first regular season loss to end there win streak.
I’m pretty sure it was 2019 Kenny Pickett if I’m not mistaken.
And then this all came full circle when as my previously mentioned favorite team got UCFs HC and Former QB.
Josh Heupel and McKenzie Milton.
(McKenzie is our offensive analyst for those that don’t know.)
Sorry Issac but this is definitely an exaggeration, UCF saved College football by giving us and proving to us that a larger playoff was needed very badly so stuff like this would not happen.
Why u keep saying everything everything exaggeration 😭
Sorry, Andrew and Kevin, but this is definitely an exaggeration. Clearly, you can't read. The title says, "ruined college football as we know it," not "ruined college football."
Also, 12 teams is 4 teams too many, so I'll be the one to say college football is ruined since he didn't. Have a terrible day, and please learn how to read ❤
There's never been a year where there are a dozen teams who legitimately have a shot at winning the National Championship. It should've been expanded to six with no automatic bids, and the Go5 teams still being left out, as they deserved.
but yet it still does? lmfao
Yeah, if there was an automatic GO5 bid in the playoffs like there is now UCF would have made it both years. 12 teams is a much more fair lineup.
Agree, I lived in Orlando at the time, and most of those games were televised. They should have had a shot in at least one of those seasons. Even if they lost in the first round, it probably would have been viewed as fair by most people who watch football.
FSU not getting in after going undefeated was probably the final nail in the coffin. Most of FSU's best players refused to play in the bowl game against Georgia.
If beating every opponent you face, and winning your conference championship isn't enough to get you a shot at the national championship then there's something structurally wrong with how your championship is determined.
I started at UCF in 2017 and it was electric those years. The community was so close and campus life was great. We feel a lot of bitterness because of the delegitimization and frustration because other teams like Cincinnati and TCU got more credit because of our notable seasons. The LSU team was a rising superpower at the time, but I truly believe if McKenzie Milton hadn’t severely broken his leg that game, UCF would’ve come out on top in that game. All our hearts dropped seeing that and things went downhill the next seasons after that with coach and quarterback changes and Milton on staying on the sidelines and we all wanted him back but it just wasn’t going to happen. We all really didn’t like Heupel and we’re glad he left. At least it pushed our program more into the light, especially with a conference upgrade and I like Gus Malzahn so I’m hopeful that in time we’ll be back to a mother good season
Unfortunately UCF got what they deserved each season. You were never good enough to win a natty and if you're honest with yourself you'd say the same.
@@SecundumMagnusStultushow do you know? We never got to see them actually compete.
@@SecundumMagnusStultus national champions. cry about it. undefeated against bama.
I mean you have nothing to say to TCU about. Do you have any idea how screwed over that program has been...... You feel shafted?
2005 TCU ranked #7 in the country, beat #3 Oklahoma in Norman, was the highest ranked G5 team - didnt even make a freaking NY6/BCS bowl game......
2008 TCU ranked #7 in the country - again didnt make a freaking NY6/BCS Bowl game
2009 TCU goes undefeated, beats more ranked teams than Texas, beats higher ranked teams than Texas, beats ranked teams by a larger margin thatn Texas, has the highest margin of victory of any team in the country, ranked #1 in the country for defense, and ranked higher on offense than Texas, mathematically had a higher SOS than Texas and the MWC literally went 4-2 vs the B12 in OOC - What are you crying about? There is no explanation other than $$$ for how TCU didnt make the title game.
2010 TCU- BACK TO BACK UNDEFEATED seasons. This team was on A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.... 17 UCF looks like a middle school flag football outfit to this team. You think UC beating #8 ND by 13 was impressive?
2010 TCU at #6 Utah: 47-7...... Thats 1 of the 5 Top 25 teams they beat and 1 of the 2 Top 10 teams they beat.
Not only did this team not make a title game, they got JUMPED by 2 teams to not make the title game......
2014 TCU - magically drops out of the CFP despite ranked #3 in the country, for "not winning their conference", which would be immediately disproven as a factor in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2021, and 2022.
@@MattBuild4 You are just mad 2017 UCF would wipe your team off the face of the planet. Literal world beaters - the best the sport has ever seen. Period.
What especially sucks is that now with NIL we’re probably never going to get G5 teams as good those UCF and Cinci squads again. Why go be the best player at Boise State or a legend at Temple when you could make millions being the number 2 or 3 guy at Tennessee or UCLA.
It won’t happen, but I hope that within future playoff restructuring and unfortunate expansion that we put up at least one more guaranteed spot for a G5 team in the playoffs.
If the ACC does indeed die, then there’s absolutely room for 2 G5 spots for each side of the bracket.
You’ll get them for a year, then they will go somewhere else for a year, and so on.
Florida has the most money... And I'm the best conference... Still mediocre
So I’m obviously late to this thread but it’s kinda hilarious because boise st currently has the best rb in the nation and he’s going beast mode
5 out of 6 comments are bots and wtf is Google doing about it? Looking for videos to demonetize but still run ads
Trust me I've peeped, I've been deleting them as fast as they come in, or I try to.
That is a big exaggeration five out of six or definitely not bots maybe two out of seven
@@AndrewAndKeven that was not the case when the comment was posted
Hello fellow humans.
Comments I don’t agree with are bots. Got it.
I have always thought that everyone at the FBS level should have a realistic path to the FBS title. And I have been thinking for a long time now, that the conference champions of the lesser conferences should eliminate each other in early rounds before squaring off with a strong at large team. Then after that, maybe one of them breaks through to a semifinal and perhaps a title game. I wish that UCF had that chance back in the day, but in order to do it on the playoff path that I imagined for them, they would have needed to defeat the number 3 team in the nation followed by the number 2 team and then the number 1 team.
As a UCF grad who attended during the 2017 and 2018 seasons, I’m still livid about these outcomes
those teams got me hooked to college football in a way i cannot replicate since
You have a national championship recognized by the ncaa how livid can you possibly be
Because playoff teams give up 30+ points to Austin peay
Didn’t you claim the natty
@@Bravesfan12345 funny enough fcs austin peay put up more points on us tha every fbs team we played that year including auburn. So put some respect
Those years were nuts man it was 30+ points every damn game. Every week they had the best midhalf adjustments I'd ever seen. And yes they had a ton of NFL talent in all phases.
Yep that’s the part he didn’t mention all the nfl talent they had, Mike Hughes, Shaqeem Grifin, Gabe Davis, Trequan Smith, Jordan Aikins, Richie Grant. All draft picks who had good careers in the NFL, don’t get me started about Milton… 😢 Favorite CFB player of all time
UCF and FSU snubs are the most egregious snubs in NCAA history.
UCF definitely, but FSU was a completely different team Travis got hurt
I understand college ball is different but, if we use this logic for any other sport then the team shouldn’t be in the playoffs because it wouldn’t make the organization money. The 07 giants would even be in the playoffs. The college football playoffs 14-23 is an invitation to a tournament not a legitimate playoff system. The separation between the mid major/o G5 teams was artificial that we believe it and it took reality. The super league is coming and there nothing we can about it. If you pay attention to who was in the playoffs last year. It’s teams the are or are going to be in the SEC or B1G.
The fact that both these teams had starting QB’s their leg snapped late in the year is also kinda crazy
Actually 2019 Bama is the biggest snub ever. They would’ve been a double digit favorite over every candidate for #4 including OU
@@yourlocaltacobellmanager5664 damn. Didn't realize one player somehow could play every position on the field.... It's a team sport. FSU still won out without their starting QB. They deserved to make the playoffs.
2013-17 UCF grad. Thanks for this walk down memory lane 🥹
Scott frost shouldve never left UCF
That 2 year run and the way UCF built its brand is the biggest reason they eventually got a Big 12 bid
That was the catalyst for conference realignment.
As a UCF alum being in the Big 12 sucks we are literally on island and have to criss-cross the country every other week to play a conference schedule. The two closest schools, Cincinatti and West Virgina, are 1,000 miles away! We have conference games in Utah and Arizona that may as well be the other side of the planet. It sucks the ACC and Pac 12 have become irrelevant, if the landscape hadn't changed to Power 3 we would have been a great fit with the ACC with regional rivalries.
The roots were planted way before '17 and '18 ucf. We saw plenty of undefeated g5 teams not get a chance to compete in the BCS era... Plus 2016 Western Michigan as well. People were getting really mad by 2010 when TCU and Boise were perennially dominant and never got a shot
Yeah but UCF pushed it over the edge. That's the point.
@@icekirbyixi no it didn't lol
And that was the whole point behind the national championship claim, to protest how broken that bs system was, great vid
They only care about the SEC and Big 10, every other conference has to claw their way to recognition. A few years ago the Big 12 champion was left out of the playoffs because according to the committee they didn't have a championship game. At that time teams played the whole conference. Then the following year the same committee chose Ohio State over the Big 12 champion and Ohio state didn't even win their division, so no conference champion. Hell, last year Florida state should have been in playoffs but they were left out because they needed at least 1 token SEC team. I'm honestly surprised they didn't try and add Georgia in and boot Texas.
To be fair on that UGA/Alabama add
Its the defending champs and Nick Saban
Id have still booted Texas tho since they lost to Oklahoma and dont really care abt h2h in week 2 vs a first year starter
But yeah nah the SEC and B1G are given nods
SEC has earned the benefit of the doubt nod it gets
Idk abt the B1G if we bein fr
there is no way you are being for real right now. when tcu got in the playoffs 2 years ago (which they shouldnt have) they got blown out. saying flordia state should be in the playoffs is crazy, when they were the higher seed in the game against Georgia and got blown out of the water by their 2nd string team. the big 12 has weaker teams and is a weaker conference than big 10 and sec. there is no debate
@@fw.beauuu TCU also won a playoff game
Id have thrown Cincy in
@@fate8718 TCU did beat michigan, but there were questionable decisions made on the refs side.
I agree on cinci
@@fw.beauuu Ik we aint blaming the fucking refs for Michigan being dogshit
Ik we aint doin that
And based off the ref report card it was 50-50
UGA prolly evicerates them regardless
Ohio State played the game of they life and still couldnt get it done
It's really stupid to blame conference realignment on one or two specific teams. The conferences came apart as soon as the directors fully embraced the tv deals over regional associations and history. It's a billion dollar business, thats what drove the old conferences onto the rocks
College football was bound to change regardless of the UCF effect. We've had multiple co national championships throughout the decades since it's inception and fans have called for expanded playoffs since the BCS days.
What you need to look into are the commissions themselves and the emergence of super conferences.
Fresno St fan here, I remember that 2018 season. We went 12-2 that season. The only G5 school with a better record was UCF. Could have been us in the Fiesta 😢. Anyway, great video.
The SEC ruined college football when they did their first expansion and created a conference championship game. College football was better in the 80's
The point of claiming the championship was to strike when the iron was hot and get UCF's name in the national conversation. In fact, by being snubbed they became a meme and will always be able to argue the "what if". Being snubbed was also the best thing to happen to them because they didn't get confirmed like TCU.
So they became vilified the more louder their fans got, and the established team fans scoffed. Because people love to hate, it became a story that still is talked about today. Better to be a villain and be known, than the nice guy and be ignored (like Boise State). UCF was then able to better recruit, find some successes and good coaching hires...and found themselves in the Big 12.
I will always be a strong supporter of UCF. You see, in 2017, I went to Auburn and loved it. That year, Auburn achieved a remarkable feat by defeating both #1 Georgia and #1 Alabama within the span of three weeks.
Such an accomplishment has never happened before in the College Football Playoff era, and I doubt it will happen again. UCF's performance that season was also exceptional. They went undefeated and finished 13-0 after winning the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl against Auburn. I will always recognize UCF as the 2017 National Champions.
Additionally, Gus Malzahn is a talented play-caller and an interesting character.
I think another team will beat multiple #1 teams in quick succession again at some point, likely in the SEC, but it won't be for a good long while.
Rivalry games will always be different. That's like saying "the 2023 steelers beat the ravens twice and the 2-10 cardinals beat the steelers. So the cardinals should be afc champions"
@@AndrewLe97see, but that doesn’t even make sense. In college football, it’s way different especially how they used to do it and it was that way UCF utilized.
UCF is my hometown school and having the perfect 2017 season (the only FBS team to do so) will always be special regardless of others' interpretations. While the Milton injury was sad, it could have been so much worse. The hit severed a nerve in his leg and had the injury occurred in a poor part of the country (i.e. Mississippi) the leg would have had to be amputated due to the time limits in such dire circumstances. I hope all football teams are better prepared for such scenarios ASAP. The Knights are arguably in the third best conference in the nation as a Big 12 team. Long may they compete at a high level.
UCF is literally the reason we have the new 12-team format 🤣
I was there for all of it. It was an amazing time to be a student at UCF.
Yeah, we got snubbed, but we sure lit everybody else's pants on fire. The hate was real.
Thanks for this video - I love anything UCF.
Couple additional details:
1. College Game Day paid a visit to UCF during that time, and it was great
2. The highest ranking we got was #6, which got bumped BACK to #11 at the start of the 2018 season
3. The Colley matrix listed us #1 in 2017, so we technically got in the NCAA book as co-champs with Alabama
4. Auburn had beaten both the title contenders, and we beat them, which is why we claimed the championship then
5. Shaquem Griffin did all his amazing defensive stuff with ONE HAND. He's only got one!
6. The UCF stadium is called the Bounce House because if everybody jumps at the same time, the stadium used to shake a lot. It was kinda scary
The reason why people use the LSU game to delegitimize UCF is because UCF lost to a LSU defense that was completely destroyed, many of their key defensive starters were out. Things were so bad for LSU depth wise in this game they had to replace an injured DB with a friggin wide receiver that had to be coached up on the spot to play the position.
For real
And those same back-up players went on to have a Legendary season, so they weren't that bad off... And also, UCF was without their superstar QB who had led them to back to back undefeated seasons. And had to play with a freshman QB with an entirely different skill set so the offense was out of balance. So LSU may have had their defense messed up but UCFs offense wasn't rolling much either but still managed to put up 34 points. McKenzie would have put up 60 if he played.
@@RobotRebelCinema this is such a poverty take 🤦 it doesn’t matter what LSU would eventually become because in that moment UCF was playing against an LSU team missing virtually their entire 1st team defense. UCFs back up QB was wasn’t holding back their offense back they were still scoring hella points. This match up favored UCF to win and they lost to a defense that had to coach up a WR on the spot to play DB because that’s how banged up they were. If UCF played against a full strength LSU defense they would have crushed UCF irrespective if they had Milton or not.
@@fabiantaveras8458 It doesn't matter if they played with backups, those same backups still went on to win a natty as starters the very next season. And if Milton played against their full team he STILL would have lit them up. Not only was he good, he was the perfect QB for Josh Heupel's Offense. With him behind center that offense was unstoppable. He was very athletic with his legs, he was smart, and most of all he was a VERY accurate passer... He also had weapons all across the board. The fastest running back core in the country that year while throwing to NFL caliber WRs.
@@RobotRebelCinemaI don't think this argument helps the cause at all, back up QB that would have played in the playoffs vs much better teams than LSU. Either way UCF didn't belong in the playoffs if your back up QB is that much of a problem that they couldn't beat a depleted LSU team.
I was at the Austin pea game, the Auburn peach bowl game and the game KZ got injured. I also remember the absolute heartbreak of losing to that LSU team. Go knights, charge on ⚔️
I find it hilarious how the FBS is the one place where an undefeated team cannot get a shot at the national championship. Why is it the only one that does it when every other level of college football gives their undefeated teams a chance in the national championship?
As a UFC alumni who just started playing college football 25 with them as a dynasty. This is perfect timing
UCF is 4-1 in their last matchups with Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, and LSU. People who act like an upset couldn't happen in CFB don't know CFB.
Ah yes, 3-8 Alabama, 6-7 Florida, and 6-7 Georgia real world beaters. I’ll give you Auburn because Auburn was a very good team in 2017
@@eduardo18545 UCF was 5 years removed from the FCS when playing Alabama, Georgia was missing their best player for the first 4 or 5 games, and UCF had to play mostly 2nd string players by the time the game against Florida came around.
Auburn was also largely without the SEC offensive player of the year Kerryon Johnson. He was the bellcow. Gus only mistake that yr was leaning on him too much. He got hurt towards the end of the iron bowl & Aub didn't win another game bc he was the stud of that team. Instead of making the playoffs they sat at home and watched 2 rival teams they completely whooped play for a title. Kinda brutal really. AUB hasn't been the same since how that yr finished.They played for 3 sec titles from 2010-2017, none since
Not gonna lie, I loved all the hate I got leaving the 2019 PlayStation Fiesta Bowl. The UCF students were sooo pissed. I was on top of the world. The fans I met at the airport were cool though.
Yea, UCF fan here…. Dang, sorry about that. I wasn’t that upset we lost, it was a really good game. Though I was a little peeved that 4 separate LSU fans told me to go f*** myself while I was walking back to my car. 😂 Who says that after winning?
UCF was just the sequel to the Kellen Moore Boise State class that won all but 3 games they played and came within a field goal of busting into the BCS National Championship
That LSU team was missing 12 key defensive players 8 of which were starters that’s why the game was as close as it was
it's almost like that team went on to win the national championship the next year
UCF was missing one of the greatest QBs in their program's history. It's almost as if both teams had excuses.
its almost like those starters were bums and the ones that played were going to be a apart of the greatest team ever
@@john-wp5tisome of the ones missing were out for injuries not opt outs so yeah they won it all the next year but also younger freshmen that contributed the following year had another offseason to grow up.
@@ucfqb12>1
It's all Deestroying's fault lol (he was not on this team)
NCAA should’ve let him continue to make youtube videos. Its ridiculous that athletes cant be independent contractors
The conferences before the major realignments starting in the 2010s would be perfect for this day and age with the 12 team playoff.
The real snubs are 2004 Oklahoma and 2023 Washington. The most successful honest teams
2004 should've been Auburn vs USC
04 Oklahoma paid its players as well so don't go singing their praises and then got dog walked by Reggie bush. *sigh* let the huskies go man they played a superior team and got smashed. I'm a gator fan and even I have accepted Bama blowing the gators out in the 09 sec championship as the correct timeline.
How was 2023 Washington snubbed?
@@ucfqb They only lost to Michigan, who was cheating all season.
@@chrisb4859 Washington being snubbed is not the same as a mid major being snubbed.
You are such an underrated youtuber bruh
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New Look Big 12 lets them possibly come and show what they got now too
Was a student at UCF from 2015-2019, from seeing them go 0-12 my freshman year to back to back undefeated seasons was insane.
Mid majors getting a seat at the table will never be a bad thing in sports. I don’t want to watch Alabama, Georgia, and Clemson win every single year. I don’t give a fuck about southern football. I don’t care about any of those teams or that region as a whole. I want to watch teams from all over the country fly their flag and take a shot at Goliath. This is what makes sports interesting and fun. NCAA Basketball had it right when they started letting in teams like Furman and Oakland. College football needs more “little guys”.
I guess you enjoy blowouts in natty games
If you don’t want to see the big boys win every year watch a different sport. UCF was never winning the natty and a g5 team won’t win the CFP now. It’s a sport of the haves and the have nots. Are upsets awesome? Yes. But a teams luck runs out way quicker in football.
@spiritboxyxboxexactly
@spiritboxyxbox people say "no one wants to watch a blowout" but the only way we would know if its a blowout is LET THEM PLAY
What makes the UCF run more impressive to me was the quick turnaround. UCF was 0-12 in 2015 And then 13-0 2017.
I still remember UCF calling itself the National Champions. People so badly wanted to humble us.
This is why I can't stand college football sometimes. Imagine you worked so hard all season long, putting blood, sweat, and tears out of the field every single week, working hard to go undefeated for the season, and yet you don't get a chance to be in the college football playoffs because the SEC is college football golden child, they always want an SEC team in the college football playoffs. I mean bruh do you know hiw hard it is to go undefeated once, let along twice in a row and yet still not gettung a chance to go into the college football playoffs. At that point, if I was a player, I would've just quit because it doesn't make no sense for a team go to undefeated twice and still have no git in making the playoffs. It's not their fault that other teams in their conference was terrible, and for the schedule part, bruh there's 134 teams in college football, do y'all really think that they are gonna make a hard schedule for every team, if not most of the damn teams out there, hell no so stop trying to bring that excuse up. I mean they did beat an Auburn team in that bowl game in 2017 in where Auburn was the #7 seed in college football, they barely lost to Clemson and LSU that year and they had beaten 2 #1 seeds in the same season by beating #1 Georgia in a blowout and #1 seed Alabama 26-14 so Auburn wasn't no joke that season at all and UCF beat Auburn in that bowl game that yeear in a very close with UCF defense making a game winning interception to complete the undefeated season, then in 2018, they go undefeated again, plays LSU in a bowl game in which they took LSU down to the wire and ended up losing by only 8 points with the score of 40-32. UCF trailed by LSU only by 3 points ar halftime and losing by 8 points at the end of it and what's even craziest point about this is that UCF only had the ball for barely over 15 minutes for time of possession and they still gave LSU a run for their money and still losing by 8. Also remember they gave LSU a run for their money before LSU became LSU with Joe Burrow, Ja'Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson and the crew. This game is what started LSU run to winning the national championship that next season and my boy Joe Burrow becoming the greatest single season quarterback of all time that year. I mean if that doesn't tell you that UCF deserve to be in the college football playoffs and had shown that they can play and beat "better competition and beating and being competitive with other better teams and bigger schools" than I don't know what is then.
I’ll tell you how it doesn’t prove it. Alabama the team that got in over them went on to win the natty, the Auburn team they beat got steamrolled by Georgia in the sec championship. And if you would like to point out that the iron bowl has crazy things happen all the time. It’s a rivalry so them losing doesn’t mean UCF would beat them. UCF also played no good teams outside of a meaningless bowl game. And the LSU team was missing pretty much its entire defense. Oh yeah and they lost to LSU
@kozren Okay then, what's the point of going undefeated twice then if they are not even gotta have a chance. You probably didn't read my comment, but I said that UCF gave LSU a run for their money, and that game went down to the wire, even though they lost, and you said that Auburn got steamed rolled in that SEC Championship game, well once again, that Auburn team was no joke. They beat 2 #1 seeds that year in Georgia and Alabama. Even in their losses, they were competitive. Lost to Clemson by 8 points in a defensive battle game, lost by 4 to LSU, and then in that bowl game against UCF, that game went down to the wire with UCF winning that 7. Like I said, it's not their fault that the teams in their conference are just trash like damn, you can't blame that on them
@@Kings0424 You may not be able to blame them for their conference being atrocious. But you can certainly use it to actually use logic. They went undefeated 2 seasons in a row yes. But once again that doesn’t matter. It’s like a g-league team in the nba going undefeated. Does that mean they should have a shot at the nba finals? No because the comp doesn’t compare. And while Auburn was decent we can’t build them up to be some extreme heavyweight. I like Auburn decently well but Jordan O’Hare is literally voodoo magic levels of home field advantage. Like it’s actually weird. And one of those games got proven as a one off. Call it pointless all you want but they have the option to schedule power 5 schools. And they had tight games with their conference. That doesn’t exactly build hope.
@kozren And this is why I'm glad to be a 12 team college football playoffs to have more teams in the playoffs. I mean then what do you want them to do to earn their college football playoffs spot. Y'all want them to go undefeated for 4 or 5 straight years just to finally get their respect. This is why I will never understand people like you because y'all always wanna see an SEC school in the college football playoffs. I don't care what anyone says but UCF should had a chance of being in the college football playoffs.
@@Kings0424 people want to see a sec school in there every year because it’s the strongest conference in college football. And outside of the two Clemson won (go tigers) won every natty from 2015-2022. Like it’s not close. I’m sorry I’d love to see UCF compete and have a good game in the playoffs. But if they would have been in either of those it would have been a blowout. I’d rather have good games than variety for the sake of inclusion. I dont care if they go undefeated 5 years in a row. If they are playing a g5 schedule I would not put them in.
5:19 Just want to point out that Austin Peay is an fcs school and while ucf dropped 73 on an fcs school, they also gave up 33 points to that same school.
Let's also mention the other teams that have went unbeaten and were not chosen for the cfp so we don't say it's JUST the florida schools
2016: Western Michigan
2017 and 2018: UCF
2020: Cincinnati
2020: Coastal Carolina
2023: FSU
2023: Liberty
I agree, but there is something to be said for what championship level looks like. Just compare 2017 season vs unranked and ranked teams vs obvious championship caliber G5 teams (2010)
17 UCF: 13-0 ranked #6
unranked:
61-17
38-10
51-23
63-21
31-21
73-33
31-24
49-24
45-19
Ranked
vs #7 - 34-27
vs #21 - 49-42
vs #24 - 62-55 2OT, 40-13
2010 WAC Champ (highest #2, finished #7)
unranked :
51-6
59-0
67-14
48-0
59-20
62-14
51-0
50-14
Ranked:
- at #11 31-34 OT
- at #13 33-30
- vs #14 36-3
- vs #18 52-7
- at #24 47-14
2010 MWC Champ (highest/finished #2)
unranked:
62-7
41-24
27-0
45-0
31-0
48-0
40-25
66-17
ranked:
- vs #4 21-19
- at #6 47-7
- vs #16 45-10
- vs #21 38-7
- at #24 30-21
Both of these teams played nearly twice as many ranked teams and still managed over a 10+ point larger margin of victory than 2017 UCF.
@@MattBuild4 The only point that needed to be taken from my comment was "it's not just UCF"
People saying my Sooners didn’t deserve that 4th spot in the playoff must be joking. Notre dame played a weaker schedule and they don’t play in a conference, they should’ve never been considered for that spot to begin with
So Oklahoma played 10 power 5 teams with an average record of 6.3 wins and 6.3 loses.
Notre Dame played 10 power 5 opponents with an average record of 7.4 wins and 5.6 loses.
You also can't say "Oklahoma played in a conference" Oklahoma lost to Texas in the regular season. If they didnt play in a conference they wouldn't of been able to get that game back and would of definitely had no chance lmao. OU needed that game because again they lost.
Y'all were down 28-0 to Alabama mid way through the second. Don't tell us OU was that much better than Notre Dame
Even Auburn when they had Jason Campbell and Cadillac Williams or Penn State when they had Robinson at QB both teams went undefeated but didn't get a chance to play for the title
It’s easy to beat Auburn when they don’t wanna be there and you play and prepare harder than you have all year. It’s hard doing it every week
Oh shut the hell up, Auburn gave it their all. They went all out in that game and they were playing their starters.
Wanna know why I know they gave it their all? Because UCF was talking mad shit leading up to the game saying they were the faster team. So Auburn players wanted to shut them up and prove to them they were nothing. As we can see Auburn is the one that got shut down.
I remember the memes after the LSU game where they were like "UCF wants Bama and they can't even handle LSU with their backup QB" little did they know lol. Feel bad for that team fr.
Yeah, but if we had our QB and he hadn't got injured the year before we would've won against LSU and Joe burrow just like we beat Auburn the year before. We were stacked
When is he going to talk about how UCF played an Auburn team that was injury riddle, and how they claim a fake Natty, thus ruining CFB?
It's almost as if injuries are a part of college football.
Honestly if you cant get to the playoffs by going undefeated then they need to rethink the system.
Is there anyone who knows anything about college football really believe that UCF could play an SEC schedule and even be bowl eligible?
Give UCF SEC money and they'll play SEC schedule
@@thaihungtran7729 they’d have to join the SEC to play an SEC schedule and they’d go 6-6 every year.
@@thaihungtran7729vandy has SEC money too and they are perpetually one of the worst teams in the league lol
@@fabiantaveras8458 replace them with UCF both are black and gold anyway
Sec D rider In here I see. Outside of Georgia and bama the rest of the SEC is just like any other power 5 conference LSU is good every 5-6 years or so auburn had that one championship with newton and Florida hasn’t been amazing since Tebow days. Arkansas is ass ole miss ass A&M is ass miss state is also ass Tennessee can’t let go of the 90’s. Mizzo is ass and Vanderbilt gets beat by FCS schools.
keep up the good work man I love your vids
And what is UCF's record vs Alabama...umm...1 and 0. UCF got invited to be the homecoming sacrifice years ago and won it with a walk-off field goal. Alabama hasn't agreed to play them since.
ucf would get destroyed if they played any alabama team coached under nick saban
I’ll never forget watching that Milton injury live… felt so bad for him and still do. They deserved better
The playoff ruined cfb.
UCF is not the reason for further conference realignment you are very very wrong with your closing statements.
You can't deny that the expanded playoff is a result of UCF making waves.
Conference realignment was triggered by UCF, BYU, Houston, and Cincinnati moving to the Big 12. We took that opportunity because of our lack of participation in the playoffs while undefeated.
Then all these other conferences started moving around soon after.
@@icekirbyixi the expanded playoff has nothing to do with UCF and the Pac 12 teams jumping ship was because their commissioner was bungling the new tv deal.
@@Bumafa ok man. I respect your opinion. But to say UCF had nothing to do with playoff changes is bonkers. It was dead silent until the uproar. I would bet my bank account we wouldn't have an expanded playoff today if UCF didn't go undefeated for two seasons and have college game day visit their campus, etc.
@@Bumafa like I'm not denying that it would've happened eventually. But we wouldn't have it as soon as this year if not for UCF. There were little to no talks about it until that run and the claim. That spraked talks and expedited the change.
@@icekirbyixi it wasnt dead silent, because there was uproar from when 2014 TCU got snubbed, plus an undefeated G5 team in 2016. Plus controversial selection of Ohio State over Penn State in 2016.
There were grubblings even at the start of the CFP, because of how the trainwreck that was the BCS ended. A lot of people dont remember that the BCS and NCAA were getting by the federal government during the BCS because of the lack of a playoff. The MWC submitted an 8 team back in 2009, so when the 4 team CFP was announced this really wasnt what a lot of people were looking for. Add immediate controversy in 2014 with a team that literally came from the MWC and was heavily involved in sparking the federal lawsuits....... people were in fact talking before.
In fact the reason why the G5 likely has a spot in the 12 team is still far more likely because of the 2009-2012 lawsuits. This isnt to take anything away from UCF, but those lawsuits scared the crap out of the league, and executives were literally told by the US Senate that keeping a system in place which prohibits types of schools from making the playoffs could be very easily seen and proven to be criminal anti-trust and anti-competition behavior.
I wish that KZ injury never happened. Great leader and person on top of being an amazing QB those two years. I was a student at UCF for these seasons and will never forget. GKCO ⚔️
Still blows my mind that despite never playing for a championship game they claim to be "national champions."
If UCF played in a real natty game they would’ve gotten the TCU treatment by Bama, Georgia or Clemson. But that’s something many UCF fans are too deluded to recognize that simple fact.
@@fabiantaveras8458I mean we don’t know that, they did beat a team who took down Bama and Georgia. So they may have won the natty, but we don’t know. That’s the biggest what ifs we’ll ever get
Well the NCAA did recognize them as such.
@@dawsonbennett6808 they beat an Auburn team that honestly had nothing to play for, Whereas UCF had everything to play for. I'm sorry but you think Auburn is gonna play UCF exactly how they played bama? you're fooling yourself. This game was a perfect storm for UCF and they capitalized on the opportunity.
@@fabiantaveras8458 I mean ya, Auburn still played like a team who beat two number one ranked teams. They knew about UCF’s situation and they could’ve beaten them, but UCF just simply won. If you want a team who played like that look at Florida State, they literally had nothing to play for and it showed whereas Auburn still played like they should’ve
I have been saying this for years, other teams have had similar impacts that led to ucf’s success in 2017-2019, but for sure that ucf team played a giant part in the landscape of college football
65-7
31-14
As a Ucf fan that season im sorry but we did win the natty (according to the government of Florida)
Well the Florida gov’t is one of the worst in the country. Worried about petty issues like sexual identity and not important problems like squatting, unemployment, infrastructure etc
If they got it together Florida might be the best state in the country. The weather is great most of the year and a lot of things to do. But nope, DeSantis obsessed with Disney instead of his own state
@@RadicallyOptimistic bro your literally a bot, I see you everywhere
Ucf has a mickey mouse championship that isn't recognized by anyone and will fade into memory in time.
@@blindspacesamurai It's recognized by the NCAA. You're dumb.
How in the world was a 9-1 USF team not ranked?!?! Could've gave UCF another top 25 win.
IDC what anyone says that UCF national championship is recognized by the NCAA. 🏆
Those 2017 and 2018 teams, with a healthy Milton, could go toe to toe with anybody. I'm glad they raised that 2017 National Champions banner. As you can see it, it's even in the NCAA 25 video game. Game changer!!!
The claiming of a national title by UCF is ridiculous. I totally agree that they should have been given an opportunity to prove it on the field. There’s not a single honest UCF fan that will make the claim without feeling a little weird about it or needing to defend the claim.
As a Miami fan I’m just now learning about this “claim” nonsense. Apparently my 5 time National Champion Canes have an additional 5 unclaimed titles. Man the 10 times National Champion Hurricanes sounds a hell of a lot better 😅
UCF mentioned!
Thanks @IsaacPunts
Also, you’re probably completely right.
“Florida School Ruins College Football by Being Too Good”
What's cool is Matt Loudermilk was my special teams coach my senior season in high school. He's a really cool dude and a great coach.
I will never forget that Ucf versus USF game absolutely electric
As a UCF fan I’m still mad I’m not gonna lie
As an FSU fan since I was 6 years old I feel the pain in being robbed out of a school playoff spot
6 years later and another florida team had this same thing happen😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
I was at the UCF-Auburn game. My family and I were rooting for Auburn but there was a part of me pulling for UCF the whole time.
I will forever die on the hills at UCF got robbed both of those seasons
Another team that changed cfb was 1984 BYU, because they caused power 5/4 schools to want all the power after a non power school won’t be natty
As a UCF alum CHARGE ON 😂‼️ keep up the great video work
Dropping this two days after big noon kickoff at ucf is w timing
Fun fact, at UCF in the stadium, in the rafters, they have a giant banner that you can see all around the stadium that says “2017 National Champions”
They crowned themselves national champions lol
When I see this one thing comes to mind TCU a couple years ago the small school finally got to the championship and got killed.. I can almost guarantee you if UCF played Alabama it would been a 65-7 kind of game for UCF
I mean the problem is you completely discount whose actually on these teams though. You say 2022 TCU got destroyed by georgia, so obviously all small schools are bad. You put 2010 TCU against that Georgia - it aint happening.....
2022 you get Max Dugan...... 2010 you get Andy Dalton - the practice squad vs 13 NFL seasons + 3X all pro might tell you theres a difference in talent there.....
22 TCU vs Baylor: 29-28
10 TCU vs Baylor: 62-7
22 TCU vs SMU: 42-34
10 TCU vs SMU: 41-14
22 TCU vs Oklahoma State: 43-40 2OT
10 TCU vs Oklahoma State: 45-10
22 TCU best win: vs #12 KSU: 38-28
10 TCU best win at #6 Utah: 47-7
22 TCU best post season win: vs #2 Michigan 51-45
10 TCU best post season win: vs #4 Wisconsin: 21-19 (last time Wisky won the B10 - had Montee Ball, JJ Watt and Russel Wilson)
One of these teams ranked #1 in defense in back to back season led by a hall of fame DC, revolutionized the 4-2-5 scheme, averaged 32.4 margin of victory per game, shutout 4 teams 164-0, and had 12 future NFL draft picks on their team.... the other was coached by Sonny Dykes......
Only teams to ever beat Dalton TCU were - #2 Utah (the team that destroyed Saban), #3 Oklahoma (Bradford), and #3 Boise State (Moore).
As a Knight who was there during these years... I was HYPED
Did I think we had a chance of winning the national championship games? No. Lol, not at all.
Did I still claim the national championship to piss people off? Absolutely
It wouldn't completely fix things, but preseason rankings should be abolished.
And don't tell me that the CFP committee doesn't look at the AP and Coaches' polls. They do.
As a UCF fan and alumni, I have a little doubt that Alabama would have beat us without McKenzie Milton. Even in an alternate universe where he didn’t get hurt, I wouldn’t give us better than a puncher’s chance. But that team deserved to lose the national championship on the field. Not in a smoke-filled room. I’m glad the system that prevented that crumbled.
Milton was the most magical QB I've seen play CFB. Dude needs a statue at UCF.
That championship game against memphis was one of the greatest I ever saw.