DeWALT dust monster finally in captivity.
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We walk 16 foot lengths up the stairs . We keep the trim in the center of the stairwell between the flights , and just keep walking up , turning the corner as we go up . But you have to tape or tie the pieces together or one will slip out of the bundle . If there are two of you , one carries the top of the vertically oriented bundle , and the other person supports the bottom of the bundle . when you get the bundle into the hallway outside the suite , you unbundle it , and curve each length into the suite around whatever corners are in your path .
A larger portion of our work used to be high-rise and condo work. All of the obstacles to over come with this type of work definitely drives the cost up!
Or at least that's what you tell them... 😉
well yeh... its a job
you charge for how hard the job is
that doesnt need to be said... jobs get more expensive the more difficult and more equipment you need for that job. obviously. 👏👏works like that in most aspects of life
@@forget2bhuman993 you're one of those that like telling people what should be said? NO THANKS!
I think you’re supposed to ditch the small vacuum hose that’s hooked up to the saw and just use a 3” hose straight to the shroud collector. Then all the ambient dust will billow in the shroud and get sucked up nearly completely.
We have been using this for awhile with the same dust extractor. Get a 4" pvc hub and the rubber adapter like what you use in your shop pushed in and I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the dust collection. Tip once it is hooked up this way give the tent a shake every so often and it will clear it out. It will pay for it self in less clean up labor in no time.
Ur input /explanation is valuable! Ty!
The hole you put your vacuum hose through is to attach a vacuum to also, that creates negative pressure so fine particles don't fly out the front of the hood and doesn't allow build up inside the hood.
Your very methodical and meticulous.The thought put into ensure the clients house and belongings are protected and your general attitude is straight💯
It's imperative you show the "hidden" tasks of a finish job, massive thanks! Prep (for me) is usually 80-90% of the job.
I have the same DeWalt and Rousseau dust shroud setup. I attached the 4” connector on the shroud to the lid of a 20 gallon Rubbermaid bucket and then attach my vacuum to a 45degree hose adapter also attached to the lid- like a Dust Right cyclone separator. Collects more dust and saves the filter on the vacuum and also handles the bigger chips.
Hmm I’m on it. Need a pic
@@BZ1340 easiest way to explain is to watch video by Gary Lundgren Crafts- Planer chip collector. The 4” dust separator connector kit can be purchased from Rockler. I made this to manage dust for my planer, but works great for my miter saw dust shroud. Love it when something works for more than one purpose!
That's the way to go. Even a 2 1/2 vac hose connected to the shroud would be good.
We use the 5000-L also, since Canadian winters prevent us from cutting outdoors. I find it works really well. Happy with the product.
Much appreciate any tool, method etc recommendations. This will work well for me. Soon I will be trimming out all the windows and doors in a large townhouse. I will not be making a million trips in and out of this place LOL. Thanks!
Buy the 1hp Harbor Freight dust collector which uses a 4" hose. The higher volume of air it collects will create a negative pressure within the canvas dust hood which encourages the dust to the dust port. I bought the Rousseau 5000 as a temporary fix for one specific job and have subsequently continued to use it even in my shop because it works very well and does not restrict the use of the saw in any way. In the shop it will work even better because your shop dust collector will move even more air than the HF 1hp collector.
I was thinking of getting one of these but went with the FastCap version. I was using a Bosch Sliding Compound Miter Saw and the dust was insane to clean up. It works great with a dust extractor hooked up to the 4-inch port. Much easier clean-up and worth the money spent for sure. I do much of my cutting in my driveway or in the driveway of our renovation house. In the Winter, we did cut inside a bit but the entire home is gutted so we only hung up some plastic to keep it in the room. With the cover on the saw, the dust went way down on inside cutting this Winter.
Same set up here. We use zip walls for temp containment, works great
I actually watched someone transport a granite island top on top of an elevator because it was too long to navigate the turns in the hallway, and the elevator opened right to the penthouse where it was going. Thank you for another great video!
Great Dust collecting cover. Easy set up and off you go with killer collection!
we actually use the fastcap sawhood cover at work. It works great as well. it does mount forward right up to the cutting surface. First saw these several years ago. Great addition to the indoor set up. Nice to see others making something similar.
Hi there, that great that you bought that duck blocker. I remember I cut inside a bedroom and I set up makeshift tent out of plastic. It work great and the plastic let the light thought so I wasn’t in the dark. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. You guys deliver quality work I definitely have learned a lot from you👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I did a lot of years working in SF condos and commercial buildings. One of the tricks is to bring everything you need up in one trip, and always try to bring something down if you go to the truck. It is so easy to waste time with the elevators. Also you can have the elevator company for a fee bring the trim (or other oversized materials) on top of the elevator if they don’t have a hatch. Sometimes it’s worth it to get a bunch of stuff up in one piece.
I got the foot pedal switch to turn vac on you showed years ago works great for dust I have 7” Milwaukee. So that was great Thanks
the rousseau 5000 dust hood is awesome! i run the non l version, but i do place an led light stand near by for good illumination. also,an ivac automated vacuum switch with a larger shop-vac attached pulls an easy 97.5% of the dust (in my opinion)... good purchase richard
Thanks I just said the same thing, though I don’t know if my auto switch is that same brand, but either way it’s so much better than manually operating the vac.
Always wondered if those shroud’s really work. Thanks for the info.
Every worksite is unique and working in high rise buildings has the most unique challenges of all.
Some tips from my experience is to setup the mitersaw on a HD 9x12 canvas drop cloth and put a 3x5 fatigue mat to stand on. This creature comfort saves knee pain. The drop cloth helps contain the sawdust and you can just roll it up and carry it out.
Also I use a 4 wheel laundry type tub to roll all hand tools to the elevator and out in only one trip.
I like your dust hood and will be looking into getting one like yours.
Thanks
New flooring?....😳😳 That floor is beautiful.
It’s so great to listen to another guy talk about the barrage dust issue, I always, when I can , work in peoples garage ,but I give a disclaimer, “ there will be dust” but fear not, I will get my Ego blower and make everything clean, but some people still freak out
That's hilarious. I work on super yachts, the owners are all up them selves, festool and their extractor, job done
I can see the Burnett building in the background! Good to see you in the neighborhood!
Great job. Nice work. I also noticed the yellow verticle fence supports on the miter saw that I may have missed in one of your previous videos. I have a crown molding job coming up soon. Would you mind sharing the manufacturer of that yellow accesorie with me ?
Good ol Neil P building downtown. Done some remodel in that building a few times this year for a few clients
I have this shroud in my shop as well and it works great to control a lot of dust. I tried a lot of home made options but none of them came close to the performance of this.
Have a different hood behind a radial arm saw. Use a Y with a shop vac to run hoses to the port on the hood and the port on the saw (blade guard, in my case). Thanks for the video!
I think your mind will be blown by how well those dust hoods work with a 4-inch hose.
I run mine with a 2” hose to the main “drain” and a Wye to a 1 1/2” to the port on the back of the mitre saw.
@@719vol This sounds great but is a terrible idea if you are using a dust collector. I did the math and you are only providing about 40% of the airflow compared to a 4" hose (πr² means it is exponential etc...). You are seriously reducing performance and will probably prematurely burn out the motor on your system.
Just trying to be helpful.
@@akivaweil5066 on-site use.
No dust extractor.
16 gal shop-vac.
Have run miles of trim; base, crown, casing, etc
Usually at end of the day there’s a small amount on the ground in-front of the saw….from what falls off the trim once cut.
@@akivaweil5066 4” is the port coming out of the bottom of the Rousseau hood. Adapter gets it down to std. 2” shop vac hose.
@@719vol Ah, great setup in that case.
Have you tried the VacuVortex on your wet dry vacuum? It plugs into the blower side of your vacuum and pretty much stops the air coming out of the blower outlet port.
I’ve had the standard 5000 for about four years now I hook my dust collector up to the 4 inch fitting and run the 2 inch to the back of the Dewalt saw and just let it go into the 4 inch hose down a couple feet in works fine for me
Can you tell me what the brackets are on the inside ends of the cut hub? Track tubes??
This might be a stupid question but is there such thing as a 2 stage dust collector for miter saws? Basically a blower or fan that’s either on the side, top or below in front that directs/forces dust into the hood?
Exactly what I need for mine
Those 2 yellow fences for miter saw .
What height are from saw plate ⬆️?
Where did you buy them?
Can link ?
Rousseau makes some good products but pretty expensive for what they are. I spent a long time on a 6th story penthouse doing some 8x9 oak barn doors that enclosed a room, some true 2"x12" oak stairs with true 2x12 poplar frame stringers, and then a massive rooftop deck. The logistics of getting massive doors and solid oak and PT materials and trash up and down was insane. Max length in the elevator was 12' and that was touching the door. I could only work between 8 and 4 and the front desk people were not very friendly and often took 10-15 minutes to send someone to the utility door where there was only 20 minute parking. I noticed the front desk woman always had a Pepsi so in spite of her being the antithesis of efficiency and having a piss poor attitude towards contractors I just started bringing a bottle of Pepsi every morning. She lightened up, things got quicker, parking limits were less strict, and I was able to start with days without any annoying looks or attitude. The stairs ended up being my mona lisa with a small hobbit door built to match the solid oak barn doors for storage under the landing. The deck was very nice as well, aside from the maintenance manager barging into the room I was doing stairs and accusing me of breaking a cart wheel when demoing the deck. I immediately stopped him in his tracks and told him for starters he's not entitled to barge into someone's extremely overpriced penthouse unannounced and I didn't even do the deck demo so I was unaware but if one of my demo guys broke a wheel I would surely replace it. Also to respect people regardless of age, as I was 23 years old building $80k worth of doors and stairs and a $45k deck, not some 23 year old fresh out of college clueless asshole. By the end of the job the front desk woman was sweet as pie and the maintenance manager gave me a tour of the building. Moral is, solve your problems with management on the fly. Sometimes it's buying them their favorite drink, sometimes it's telling them to F off without saying those exact words. 28 now and that job really helped shape how I deal with people. With all that said, not everyone can be pleased, that's just life.
Good story... people don't want 'upheaval' (one of my customer's description of remodeling) or interruption of their daily habits, so getting the logistics of a project to be workable can be a challenge. I will look into the Rousseau shroud... thanks for the idea👍
I have also found that if you walk into a job like that beaming positivity it is mostly contagious & definitely worth your efforts. A little can go a long way
In the event I have to use a saw (Kapex if it fits) indoors, much like you had to, I bring my shop air cleaner and prop it up somewhere in the room. Good for demo as well.
What’s the brand and model of the high fence you have on your dewalt miter?? Thanks bro
broke out the miter saw, poured a footing, and made a privacy wall for my garbage cans. 👍 luckily I took a blower to my saw after 😅
so what made you pick the wxm4s over others
Rousseau's out feed and table saw stand is the shit!!!
nice review.
I’ve had good luck with positive pressure. Poly off all the openings in the room (1 zip wall to get in and out) and then run a couple of box fans blowing in to the room at your poly walls and open a window. Tons of the dust in the air makes its way out the window.
I have to get one of these
Does that model not have the XPS light?
Route the vacuum hose under the shroud and keep a small brute garbage can or Spackle bucket under the shroud hole. Dust falls right into the bucket that doesn’t get picked up by vacuum. Been using it for years. Happy with it.
Working as a contractor in Hudson county, New Jersey is a real challenge because there’s literally nowhere to park. Thank God I don’t work there anymore. Good video.
i have a roussau hood connected to a record Dx1000 cylinder extractor with a 4 inch connection straight into the roussau outlet and it takes everything out of hood,no mess any where
I use the exact dust hood but I bought a small 1hp easily portable dust collector and I connect it directly to the hub. Zero dust. You need to not use those clamps. Then you can mount the hood closer to the fence and have the hood stretch under a lot closer to the saw. My only problem is that the suction inside the hub area tries to suck in the hood material and plug itself off. I need to weigh down the hose to the floor so it doesn't float up.
Is your saw connected to that table? What is the setup? Got a link by chance?
I just got this, I have an idea i want to try out, connect my shop vac straight to the dust hood and put a piece of that 1.5" inch hose from the mitersaw vacuum attachment to the mouth of the 2.5" hose, maybe that gives it suction in more suction. I have a little set up in mind with nothing but DeWalt equipment, and a sheet of plywood for an assembly table/table saw out feed
What happened to your Milwaukee miter saw?
still running the same m18 18 gauge?
I know the Kapex system (Stand, Blade, dust extractor) is like 3.5K.... it is well worth the accuracy and dust control. Saves time putting plastic everywhere
Ya it’s works really well agreed, plastic still required though imo
Looks like it did a decent job, but it seems like you could run two shop vac's and get a lot more of the dust. One with a connector to the shroud, and the other to the back of the saw.
A box fan with a furnace filter taped onto it is a 30 dollar air purifier, I always put it underneath the saw if I have to cut indoors
So weird, I just watched a video yesterday on a guy 3-d printing a dust collection port to fit his saw. Spooky!
I live in the suburbs of NJ. I landed a trim job in a high-rise in NYC. I ended up losing money because of the logistics involved. The commute was always longer than expected, the parking was a nightmare, getting the equipment and material up was a challenge. Neighbors complained about the saw noise. The experience made me appreciate how nice it is to work in regular houses. I get that you can charge a lot more for city work, but way too much hassle in my opinion. Love your videos by the way, I always enjoy watching your content.
I spent 46 years in the trades and live 35 minutes from Manhattan, there’s some big money to be made in the city, I’ve made my share but after a few big jobs there I still prefer the suburbs.
Your new dust hood looks like at the bottom it has a connector that’s for more air volume to get most of the dust. Try hooking it up when you get home on your new collector.
I have done quite a few high-rise jobs and they certainly have challenges. Drywall is the worst.
Nevermind that drywall always holds up the Bucks! It's a nightmare for every trade!
That company makes awesome table saw tables
And my Bosch collects like 1 percent of the sawdust. Just awful. Need this.
i bought a cheap lawn vac and adapted it for a dust collector on my saw cart, it has two speeds, and i use just a dust collection bag on it, i think i have less than $60 in it
Home Depot sells a 30’ 1 1/4”hose. I put it on the exhaust side of the shop vac and then put that out of a window for those fine dust particles to go outside.
That company has a nice table saw stand and outfeed
I see you are putting out more content this week.👍👍As for your material could you not use rope to assure that the material doesn't get away from you?
Did your motor burn out yet?
You should do a comparison with the fast cap saw hood pro. The saw hood pro looks like the cadillac version of this one.
The dewalt 305’s I use (flexvolt and corded) seem to fire the bulk of the sawdust in one spot through the port when you don’t use extraction.. I imagine if you were to use the dust port on that shroud it would be quite effective as the bulk of sawdust would hit one spot of the shroud and fall down and any ambient dust would have a draw to help it stay in the shroud.. my money is on you being pleasantly surprised with the results 🤑
Been there done that, not fun , we work in Palm beach Fl condos , nice views from the balconies but a pain
in the butt . nice cover for the saw !!
Using a cheap, small camping tent if you have the room helps. Put small slits to pass the wood through to cut it. It's not the most user friendly but the clients really appreciate how much it contains the dust.
The dust shroud is designed for use with a dust collector and using a vacuum is considered on the weak side. Using a vacuum will leave some saw dust on the ground and surface of the shroud.
I've cut a hole in the shroud for the vacuum to use as well.
It was very interesting to hear your thought processes about how to get the boards up to the client's floor. I can see that you really had a good grasp on what could go wrong. We have all worked with people that just do and do not think it through before hand. This is where you show yourself as a true professional. And we also know that a true professional also knows that no matter how much you know, there is always more to learn. (A non professional knows it all.)
I have original saw hood , use it even on new construction. Really cuts down on dust
Maybe you could connect the vacuum to that port and then run a shorter hose off of that port to the saw?
Wow, that's sweet!...I think of all the jobs in the last thirty years I could have used something like that!...Too late now...:)
At 4;21, is that a pedal start/stop for the vacuum when making cuts?
Yes momentary foot pedal for vac.
Yeah he’s been using that for years.
@@FinishCarpentryTV Thank you. I'll definitely search for this foot switch, asap. Thanks for the videos; very inspiring and informative.
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thanks for your videos.
where are the extended side extensions on your saw from.
@@williamthompson763 that is from a company called CutHub. Richard got that set-up about a year/year and a half ago. Its a serious investment ( recall him saying it was like 4 thousand dollars). That video should still be available.
It was an interesting idea, but we have one of you that with this cross section created for the sucker, does not the suction power decrease?
What about a hose splitter one to the saw and one to the shroud.
Zip wall around the saw with zipper walls. Create a clean room around the work area. Also use a hepa machine to pull dust.
Festool solved this problem and a bunch of others ten years ago with the kapex. Time to graduate homie.
Use Peel N Stick moulding. Cut it with scissors. No dust at all. It was designed by a Master Carpenter
Order now and get two Peel N Stick stair treads free!
Has anyone installed this on a Rigid Stand? If so, like to know what worked best for you.
Oh man I'd charge double
That’s weird…
After watching this video… I went on Amazon to check on some of my other orders and this same dust hood was miraculously recommended for me
Damm, I’d still build like another containment in there. Like a plastic wall behind the miter
You're in Texas right? I moved from ohio to AZ and hoped for a Windsor one dealer here. Nope...
It’s true , all the Dewalt mitre saws I’ve had including the flexvolt cordless.. are very poor on dust extraction.
Such a difference on the makita 40volt. Although my only gripe is the hose on the side is to narrow, and gets easily blocked, especially when cutting softwood.
Great 👍🏼 video .
After 4-5 years installing cabinets I quit taking high rise jobs.
Because even though the jobs turned out excellent, it was always a sufficient hassle and cost increase for them, that it led to far less referral work then regular jobs. But they typically were much smaller units then you’re in here.
I think drilling a hole in one end of the 16 foot piece. Then, tying a rope throught that hole. Then, tying the other end of the rope to the rail. There wouldn't be a way for a piece to fall. Just an idea.
Thanks for sharing.
Definitely the way I would have gone about it. As long as everything is anchored and you keep tag lines taut, there wouldn’t be much to go wrong. Sounds like he found out later that contractors weren’t allowed on that part of the parking deck though.
Do you have any issues when pulling the painters tape off after the silicone dries
We usually get a crisp line. Sometimes if we don’t clean enough silicone off the tape in the initial application it tears because there is too much silicone. Other times it peels the paint off the wall but that’s rare
Everything is factored. Time and materials. When I do bathrooms and they are on the 1st floor of a condo versus the 11th floor, the price will definitely not be the same even if the work is the same
For the shroud I'd connect a 2 1/2" hose to the bottom of the shroud and then have the hose running into the most powerful vacuum I could get. I'd also have a dust deputy.
I know someone in that same building lol
Thanks for this unsolicited report in a "real world" situation and I think I will be buying one of these as the mitresaw is one of the worst offenders for creating dust clouds!
I purchased that same dust collector in 2019, use it on same mitre saw. What I did was take the brackets they send with cut one side off both brackets and they slide right into the round holes on the back of your mitre saw. Keeps the hood nice and close to your saw back stops
Ive had this same hood for 2 yrs. Luv it. I have no issue on my dewalt 12 inch with the shroud up against the fence. Mine sits near snug of the back of the fence. Vac attached to the outlet end and I use a foot pedal switch To activate the vac. At the end of the day. I might have a coffee cup size mound of dust on the floor
you could have drilled a hole at each end of the 16 footers and looped a rope through and pulled several pieces up at a time and tied a tag line at the other end just for safety. then just cut off the hole as part of your trim cut anyway