Great interview, miss Ariella hosting! and she elicited some of the clearer answers from adolph on this subject and book that I’ve seen as compared to other interviews
Agree. In a few other interviews the interviewer seemed focused on showing Reed and the audience that they “get it” and are smart in agreeing with Reed’s critiques and didn’t try to actually ask him questions that would bring those out and explain those.
Around 25:50, thank you Professor for identifying Baltimore as the top of the South. I've always said that "The South" starts at Howard County, Maryland, but I'll accept Baltimore as well.
Nice interview. As for white liberals wanting their children to be around Black children in school I have no problem w/ that at all. I actually think it’s quite important.
the system alone doesnt make people racist. granted they make racist laws and teachings. but people still do have choices on whether or not to follow them. even if it means having to deal with that. being racist in order to keep ajob is the definition of selling out. ethics.
Would REALLY be interested in a discussion between Reed and Shaun King or James Freeman (author of Rich Thanks To Racism) or a huge panel discussion with the three plus John McWhorter and Angela Davis. Just saying. :)
I am unsettled by what I've gleaned to be Jacobin's concerted effort to underplay race in the hopes of shifting attention to economic inequity. It is such a privileged & patronizing pivot to try to so shamelessly orchestrate, & it speaks to the relative privilege of the publication's editors. It is possible for working people to hold space for race-specific violence & class-specific violence, simultaneously & intersectionally. There is no necessary competition between race & class relations; there is, however, a necessary competition between the underprivileged & the privileged. I implore your publication to lend more voice to the latter & stop platforming yet more cause for infighting. Thank you for your time & attention.
@@neilmuir3503 mate class is a race project as well. There's a dialectic there; they feed into each other. Suggesting that talk of race relations is nothing but distractive class propaganda is just as conspiratorial as suggesting that race is a curse with its own essence that predestines people of color to a life of oppression. Not to mention, Black identity matters to folks in our modern context. Neglecting that by watering-down the racial conversation, in favor of sublimating people of color's race resentment into class resentment, is a bad-faith & ludicrously tone-deaf move to make.
@@ryanehnat7458 the difference is mainly between the top 20% of blacks and the top 20% of whites. adolph Reed talks about this in a different context. how do you think this problem is solved either way?
she sound like kanye or candace owens with that false racism. "slavary was choice or it was better back than." that sht affected and still impacts peoples lives. it may bemisrepresented at times but none the less, its real.
Are you sure you are commenting on the same youtube page you've listened too? Or perhaps, you have a hole in your head and everything that was said here went right through it.
They were very clear it’s not just personal anecdotes and you managed to avoid contending with any ideas presented to try to idk… disqualify the whole work on a technicality? Dumb
He didn’t say that personal anecdotes are scholarship. He has at least 8 other books and been in academia for 50+ years. Pretty sure he knows the difference. The anecdotes are just a way to demonstrate the concepts, seeing how his life fits into all this, and make real for people
It's even in the description: "Reed criticizes liberal historiography that erases the specificity of racial oppression in different eras, and cautions against tendencies that “fetishize” excesses over basic structures of domination. For Reed, we cannot get a hold on current black politics without knowing what is specific about Jim Crow."
Anecdotes anecdotes anecdotes. Assumptions, assumptions, projections, projections, projections, making it up making it up making it up, This guy teaches at a university. God help America if this is the standard of university teaching!
He has several other books. This isn’t his only work. They discussed this being departure from those in the very beginning of the interview. Also audiences don’t really respond to just social trends. He’s just using anecdotes to demonstrate concepts, making easier for people to comprehend
I'm right, you're wrong. Everyone's an idiot except me. I'm so right and so amazing I surprise myself. Yuk. Learn some humility Adolf. Arrogance is sooooo unattractive. It does sound to me as if you have a model of the world already formed in your head, and you are just changing the world to fit the model you have in your mind. God, I hate people who are a hundred percent certain of their own rightness and aren't capable of learning anything from anyone else because they already know everything. YUK!!
Thornhill and Reed is basically a super duo.
Dang, it is weird to see an in person interview. Very excited for this!
You are a sweetie
Ariella is amazing! Miss her on the Jacobin Show & hope she can do more like this.
F A B U L O U S !
So grateful this was NOT on zoom
I love both of you. Please help me (us) understand how I can dedicate my life towards improving the material conditions of working people.
Trust that scales.
I guess I might have to renew my subscription! Meaningful dialogue about race and class! Who woulda’ thunk? 👍
One of the best interviews I’ve listened to in quite some time. Great questions.
Two my favorite political thinkers. Thanks so much.
Really great interview! Thank you both!
🔥🔥🔥 so based
Always appreciate Prof Reed and just ordered his newest book.
Great interview, miss Ariella hosting! and she elicited some of the clearer answers from adolph on this subject and book that I’ve seen as compared to other interviews
Agree. In a few other interviews the interviewer seemed focused on showing Reed and the audience that they “get it” and are smart in agreeing with Reed’s critiques and didn’t try to actually ask him questions that would bring those out and explain those.
Around 25:50, thank you Professor for identifying Baltimore as the top of the South. I've always said that "The South" starts at Howard County, Maryland, but I'll accept Baltimore as well.
Always a big insight! Thank you
Great conversation.
Adolph Reed needs to get on Glenn Loury's show
I’d love to see that too..
Adolph's fit is 🔥🔥🔥
I just saw a meritocracy ad, with a black woman basketball coach, I think. It was one of those identity politics bits fused with neoliberalism.
What is Jacobin
I wish this had never ended!
Love hearing from both of them. This has the ring of authentic witness. / Unlike the empty posing from the many noisy flying insects in this thread.
21:02 real
Nice interview.
As for white liberals wanting their children to be around Black children in school I have no problem w/ that at all. I actually think it’s quite important.
Hugs and kisses
Is one of them a bracketologist on the side?
the system alone doesnt make people racist. granted they make racist laws and teachings. but people still do have choices on whether or not to follow them. even if it means having to deal with that. being racist in order to keep ajob is the definition of selling out. ethics.
Yeah, but customs and structures (like laws and teachings) make us racist. These things can also undo our racism.
@@jahermos i think it takes both
Would REALLY be interested in a discussion between Reed and Shaun King or James Freeman (author of Rich Thanks To Racism) or a huge panel discussion with the three plus John McWhorter and Angela Davis. Just saying. :)
Hey, the costume/design folks don't follow exactly cause all these characters always have their teeth! We know they didn't. 😁
😂👍🏽
I am unsettled by what I've gleaned to be Jacobin's concerted effort to underplay race in the hopes of shifting attention to economic inequity. It is such a privileged & patronizing pivot to try to so shamelessly orchestrate, & it speaks to the relative privilege of the publication's editors. It is possible for working people to hold space for race-specific violence & class-specific violence, simultaneously & intersectionally. There is no necessary competition between race & class relations; there is, however, a necessary competition between the underprivileged & the privileged. I implore your publication to lend more voice to the latter & stop platforming yet more cause for infighting. Thank you for your time & attention.
mate race is a class project. if it was just about people having stupid opinions, it would have gone the way of geocentrism
@@neilmuir3503 mate class is a race project as well.
There's a dialectic there; they feed into each other. Suggesting that talk of race relations is nothing but distractive class propaganda is just as conspiratorial as suggesting that race is a curse with its own essence that predestines people of color to a life of oppression.
Not to mention, Black identity matters to folks in our modern context. Neglecting that by watering-down the racial conversation, in favor of sublimating people of color's race resentment into class resentment, is a bad-faith & ludicrously tone-deaf move to make.
@@ryanehnat7458you dont think that wealth ineuqlity is the exact same among white and blacks? go look it the grqohs
@@neilmuir3503 I know it is worse for Blacks, actually. Which is *drumroll* due in part to race-specific factors beyond the strict context of class.
@@ryanehnat7458 the difference is mainly between the top 20% of blacks and the top 20% of whites. adolph Reed talks about this in a different context.
how do you think this problem is solved either way?
she sound like kanye or candace owens with that false racism. "slavary was choice or it was better back than." that sht affected and still impacts peoples lives. it may bemisrepresented at times but none the less, its real.
Are you sure you are commenting on the same youtube page you've listened too? Or perhaps, you have a hole in your head and everything that was said here went right through it.
Personal anecdotes do not equal scholarship. Personal anecdotes are just autobiography and memoirs
They were very clear it’s not just personal anecdotes and you managed to avoid contending with any ideas presented to try to idk… disqualify the whole work on a technicality? Dumb
He didn’t say that personal anecdotes are scholarship. He has at least 8 other books and been in academia for 50+ years. Pretty sure he knows the difference. The anecdotes are just a way to demonstrate the concepts, seeing how his life fits into all this, and make real for people
how many times are you going to post the same pointless drivel?
Lemme guess: it had nothing to do with racism lol
It's even in the description: "Reed criticizes liberal historiography that erases the specificity of racial oppression in different eras, and cautions against tendencies that “fetishize” excesses over basic structures of domination. For Reed, we cannot get a hold on current black politics without knowing what is specific about Jim Crow."
Anecdotes anecdotes anecdotes. Assumptions, assumptions, projections, projections, projections, making it up making it up making it up, This guy teaches at a university. God help America if this is the standard of university teaching!
He has several other books. This isn’t his only work. They discussed this being departure from those in the very beginning of the interview. Also audiences don’t really respond to just social trends. He’s just using anecdotes to demonstrate concepts, making easier for people to comprehend
You will need to actually go to university to find this out
I'm right, you're wrong. Everyone's an idiot except me. I'm so right and so amazing I surprise myself. Yuk. Learn some humility Adolf. Arrogance is sooooo unattractive. It does sound to me as if you have a model of the world already formed in your head, and you are just changing the world to fit the model you have in your mind. God, I hate people who are a hundred percent certain of their own rightness and aren't capable of learning anything from anyone else because they already know everything. YUK!!