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Agree. I hate that crap. Mostly because it sets your framing before hearing any of the content of the video. It's pretty hard to dispassionately judge things if you already are forming biases.
Alex is a really good interviewer. Just extremely professional the entire time and asks challenging questions without coming across overly adversarial.
Alex won't, so I'll ask you, Alex said he has seen MAGA speaking out against political violence. Surely, you have that clip. We'll wait, forever is my bet. But yes, he has a bitchin accent, hmmm?
Indeed, i love it, he set up some really good points that should be made. Like that part about civility politics, 34:21 "They go low, we go high" is quite litterally just a chance for the right to screw us over. You can see a video series called " the alt right playbook" on a chanel i forget the name of at the moment. Its basically the tactics the right uses to get what they want.
When I started lifting weights I noticed there was a strong republican presence in every online group. It’s wild how even something so universally beneficial can become politicized.
It's just a selection effect. The same things that tend to make people leftists in terms of personality also make them less likely to want to work out.
I really appreciate how Alex pushes Destiny on his twitter comments, 99% of the time they're just used as a gotcha or an attempt to poison the well. Alex interrogates them from a frame that Destiny is actually going to engage with specifically when he asks"are they politically effective to the left as well as the right" and actually pulls some fresh conversation out of them.
Alex seems to be stuck in politics 50 years ago, when Republicans could actually be shamed... the double standards now days is insane! Arguing for democrats to fight with their hands behind their backs, while Republicans literally get to paid off refs or judges, is just crazy
@@Macheako Destiny fucking loves trolling on Twitter. Been that way for 11+ years. I suppose he is upset now because Twitter is mostly just used by bot accounts.
The sane washing bit is so true. The BBC is the worst for this. They genuinely had a geological scientist and a flat earther debate as if they were equal arguments.
The BBC interviewed a 'breast milk expert' aka an activist, who said that trans women's 'breast' milk was better for the baby than a females, with absolutely no rebuttal. It's insane.
Destiny isn’t mincing words. Which is great. People try to maintain the pretence of “decorum” and “civility” while the darkest and most vile things are wrapped in candy-stripped packaging… it’s good to be infuriated and excited that anger unfiltered. We do care about free speech after all…don’t we ?
“Wow, it’s so great that this conversation is happening” Once we stop speaking substantively about what is being said and start talking about the fact that people are talking, something has gone terribly wrong
@@gaulishrealistYes, it does. There's a difference between free speech and what your constitution protects or criminalises. I'm also against protections for inciting violence but because political power often leads to violence, violence becomes a necessity for self-defence, emancipation and liberation. The United States of America as a nation was born when the revolutionaries incited the settlers to revolt against the British crown. It is violence for political aims, and those aims were sovereignty and self-governance.
I get the feeling you watch a lot of anti Trump people talk, because this comment is in every anti Trump discussion comment section. You have some specific concerns you want to voice?
@@eanfran lol, "specific concerns"? How do you not have concerns about Trump and his fascist ideations? Instead whining about comments, why don't you justify why you support a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist for POTUS? Why do you support a guy who says he'll "deploy the military against the radical left".
I hate when content creators do that. Absolutely sacrifices credibility of the creator. I wonder if they choose to do this, or are instructed to by the advertiser.
@@AndrewDangerously Interesting traitor caption. It was treasonous for Hilary and the DNC to work with the FBI and corporate media to fabricate Russia Gate to impeach a newly elected president. They are lucky Trump didn't put them all in Guantanamo Bay
@@AndrewDangerously Yeah, well, I hate when people use the term "content creators." Most vapid shit that's entered the English language in quite some time.
Man, Alex is so good at challenging Destiny with actual intelligent questions unlike most people who are just nakedly partisan or attack his character. Always enjoy listening to you two having a conversation.
I haven't listened to destiny a lot but I do get the feeling he tries to "win" the conversation. Which is what I thought of this as, a conversation, not a debate. So it's interesting to hear you say that Alex lost in this. If Destiny is known for debating and the audience are looking for a "winner" it sheds a lot of light on that feeling I had of his conversation style.
@@oWildChildo It definitely has some debate elements to it. Alex has a point of view, destiny another and they discuss. that's what a debate is. Most conversations about politics are debates, whether they are a traditional debate or not
@@kevintownsend3720 Alex was pushing back in an interview. That's not a debate by any stretch of the imagination. That's pressing into the interviewee's claims and opinions as any fair journalist should do while ultimately giving the interviewee the floor to answer how they want.
I have been trying to understand Destiny for a while and I think I have made a few observations. 1- The guy is chronically online: his world view is essentially driven by the content he reads and interacts with even from the most fringe corners of the internet. He views the world in the extreme lens. So when he sees a very strange take on twitter, he assumes that is what the political zeitgeist is on the right and so every time he sees a right leaning person, he assigns to them the thought process and views that he sees in the deep dark corners of the internet. 2- Destiny believes his view is always correct; and if you disagree you are either evil, or dumb. It is not that you have made several logical considerations to arrive at certain opinions. The minute you disagree with him , you are to him the amalgamation of the strange and weird views he sees online. 3- Destiny cannot see political beliefs as a spectrum. It is why he cannot see that the vast majority of Americans lie somewhere in the middle and swing back and forth between political parties depending on the current environment. Most Americans want a form of social justice but they dont want to be discriminating against simply because they are not a minority. Most Americans want some sort of social welfare system, but they dont want to be taxed to high heavens to achieve this. They want security, but dont want the government spying on them or their political opponents. To Destiny everything is linear, there are no nuances, there are no compromises. Because he cannot find a middle ground, a balance between his personal views , and a broadly acceptable view, he cannot come up with rational remedies. Destiny is not pro left, he is anti right. He seems intelligent, but the inability to draw out the nuances is why he just turns off most people when he talks. Destiny is a lot like the old school conservatives, uncompromising, unwilling to see the other side, unwilling to accept that seeing things different doesn’t make you the devil. That is why he cannot understand why Facebook refuses to censor content this time round. He cannot have a normal political discussion without coming off as if he is arguing, he is always on the edge , waiting for you to say one thing that is out of line for him to completely write you off as stupid or r*tarded. Funny thing is the left would not take him, many of them are far less tolerant than he is, he just does not know it yet.
100%. his problem with the internet and people is what exactly shown in his own behavior. A man fallen victim to an echo chamber. On top of that, a dweeb with a shitty attitude
Good analysis, destiny appears to be a product of twitch and twitter. Yes, no real community to ground him, no united family to represent or defend. Just erratic outrage strawmens, everyone who disagrees with me is dumb or extreme or propagandized. Its a comfortable position to take for his intellectual pride. He is always right and always justified, no matter how vile or irrational. Hard to listen to IMO.
The man is obviously and openly mentally ill. He pretends to support freedom and justice but then he wants anyone who disagrees with him to be silenced or deplatformed. He is in essence the purest form of a fascist I.e. someone that wants to shape the world around his view of right and wrong whilst not holding himself to any standards and being willing to go to any lengths to enforce his will. The host was overly polite in not calling out this as his calling for conservatives to be permanently removed whilst giving himself licence to do most if not all the things he says they should be removed for is crazy
Also UK mail-in votes don't require ID, once you've registered they send them to your house and you can vote that way without anything else. Not sure if that's the case in the US too though.
He's bought into the conservative lies about the magnitude of fraud. The truth is that the level of actual fraud is so trivial that the implementation of voter ID eliminates 1000s of times more legitimate voters, and its always surgically aimed at people of color (Why can you vote with a gun license and not a library card?)
I'm afraid our friend Alex is ignorant on voter ID in the UK. The conservatives only pushed it through for the last election and it was a mess in parts. The conservative party also limited the sorts of ID that would be considered valid too. Hope he has a look at that post interview
And? This is true in basically every other European state as well. You can only use Photo ID such as: Drivers license, ID card, government ID and passport. All ID isn’t equaly valid. Such as a student ID or ID without photo etc
@@inteallsviktigt In many of those European countries its illegal not to vote. If we added that caveat I'd be happy with voter ID. The problem is election fraud is close to nothing in US and UK so voter ID laws are ONLY introduced to reduce voter turn out.
@@inteallsviktigtPortugal has a mandatory ID card that you use for every id check you need. For the longest time, I thought that was the standard everywhere. How retarded that some countries don't have it or dont make it mandatory? It makes no sense not to have it.
@@inteallsviktigt It is still a very new development in the UK and has been in place for one general election. Alex seemed to think that it was just the way it has been here for a long time which seemed ignorant. It probably wasn't that big a problem in the first place if Alex wasn't aware of it only recently being changed. Or maybe he just doesn't follow UK politics deeply. Agreed on all ID not being equally valid, but it was decided that Oyster cards for people over the age of 60 would be considered valid ID for voting, but the same card for a younger co-hort would not be valid, which feels strange. Also Jacob Rees-Mogg admitted that it was an attempt to gerrymander the electoral process. Anyway, the main point I was trying to make was around it being a new development in the UK that Alex didn't seem to be aware of.
I used to like Destiny. He no longer debates on substance, but on rhetoric, all while blaming the conservatives. "They started it." This is essential to Democracy, to dialog: faith in the sincerity of others.
@@NeutronFTW because he doesn't care what other people say. He's presenting an image, not engaging authentically. At least, that's what I've heard the last few times I've listened to him.
@@jasonsomers8224can you name the debates you listen too? I listen to all his debates and watch his live streams where he picks up all his information on documents, and soucres, and studies
Wait a second. Alex is actually a really good interviewer. I've watched in the past because I enjoyed his content and perspective, but I'm noticing that hes genuinely become quite skilled as an interlocutor, guiding a conversation without railroading it. Bravo.
He listens well and asks good questions. That why Alex is class. He actually tries to honestly understand you rather than labelling you and from their conversations get good
The "who is this for" question: me, at least for a few years. I was fully bought in to Tim Poole and Dave Rubin as centrists when the IDW was being created and reaching it's peak in popularity. They may have been slightly more centrist then, but even then they basically only talked about crazy, wrong, or upsetting things that the left had just done. I had come from a very conservative background, but didn't care much about politics at the time. If I had to speculate and generalize, it's for the apathetic and underinformed to convince them that they are well informed because they listen to "centrists".
@@aelfgernon7729 interesting take. My family was quite left leaning but I still was slightly bought into the centrist shit. Then I really thought about it and talked to enough people and realized I’m not centrist, I just didn’t like how the left was acting and let that deny my true values… which are pretty left wing. Just because SJW’s annoyed me didn’t mean I wasn’t left wing anymore, and luckily I never bought into any right wing shit (but I do think my dad helped a lot with that because he was a very respectable left winger who didn’t fit any leftist stereotypes of weak or reactive).
I used to listen to Tim Pool & Dave Rubin a few years ago, then one morning I opened one of Tim's videos an in his usual, hyperbolic, panicked fashion, "SHOCKING, THIS JUST IN... THE LEFT IS AT IT AGAIN, THEY..." - and I decided then and there, that this was the last time I wanted to listen to this dumb ass's dumb ass. Rubin's bullshit devils advocate take on George Floyd was total crap as well. Alternate reality. Oh also how about this for a laugh: Republicans: Puerto Rico is a garbage island Biden: You're garbage Republicans: *stunned pikachu face*
I agree, and I was in a similar situation. I was raised conservative, but as I got older and more informed I started leaning further left, but I did not like the SJW and identity politics aspect of the far left at that time, so I kinda fell for the "centrist" BS of Tim Poole. I thought because he was "independent and centrist" and he spoke out about the crazy aspects of the far left it made him seem more rational and accurate. Luckily at some point I was able to see through it and realize he's basically just a grifter trying to paint the entire left and all liberals as crazy when in reality, American liberals are actually pretty moderate compared to the far left. Now it's kinda hard to describe anybody as centrist because they kind of ruined that terminology lol.
@jocee2257 Are you saying Alex is pseudointellectial? I did enjoy this video. Also, did you listen to what Destiny said about people claiming to be central for looks? If rather listen to people who don't do that, yes. Are you trying to say those hosts really are centrists?
I've never listened to Destiny before, but I can say I dislike his attitude and sense of decorum without even taking a look at his political stances. Wow this interview aged like milk
Reporter: If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make child care affordable? And if so, what specific piece of legislation will you advance? Trump: "Well, I would do that. And we’re sitting down - you know, I was somebody - we had - Sen. Marco Rubio and my daughter Ivanka were so impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that - because, look, child care is child care. It’s - couldn’t - you know, it’s something - you have to have it. In this country, you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to, but they’ll get used to it very quickly - and it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care. That - it’s going to take care - we’re going to have - I - I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country. Because I have to say with child care - I want to stay with child care - but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just - that I just told you about. We’re going to be taking in trillions of dollars. And as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it’s, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’ll be taking in. We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world. Let’s help other people, but we’re going to take care of our country first. This is about America first, it’s about Make America Great Again. We have to do it because right now we’re a failing nation. So we’ll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question." Rambling bullshit.
@@LuciferjbNot even close, dude. Try again. Harris: “I’ve spent my entire career fighting for the health, safety, and wellbeing of families in America. And as District Attorney of San Francisco, I focused on crimes against women and children. As Attorney General of California, I established the Bureau of Children’s Justice within the California Department of Justice. And as a United States senator, I led a bill to align school hours with work hours, to expand after-school and summer programs, and I fought to guarantee paid leave for families, in particular parents and caregivers. I strongly believe that when we lift up the status and the economic status of families, we lift up the economic status of communities. Our entire economy and our entire nation benefits as a result. Since day one, President Biden and I have worked to strengthen and expand access to affordable, high-quality childcare. Shortly after we took office, 10 million children benefited when we helped over 200,000 childcare providers stay open or reopen. And we have required semiconductor manufacturers receiving funding through the CHIPS bill to provide affordable childcare to their workers. As we think about new industries, as we create new industries and strengthen our economy, the President and I are committed to ensuring that the workers who will fuel that growth are supported in every way, including their need for affordable childcare. And we will continue to bring down the costs. And the President’s budget, in addition, would cap childcare costs for a typical family at $10 per day - $10 per day - and support free, high-quality preschool for all four-year-olds.” July 11, 2023, WH.gov
@@theethanatorem she didn’t say any of that ever.. guaranteed her team wrote that for her if not AI. Trump is recorded on video speaking on the fly with no teleprompters. It’s not good all the time but it’s raw and real. Every single one of Kamala’s interviews is 80 percent teleprompter and like 20 percent on the fly.
The thing I like about Alex’s interviewing style is he will make sure that the argument the interviewee is arguing against is presented in good faith. If the interviewee argues against a straw man or maybe a misrepresentation or poorly strung together version of the argument, Alex will present the good faith version to ensure the interviewee is fleshing out their critique to its fullest extent. An excellent principle to follow
Yeah, don't get Destiny back on. The dude doesn't really have anything of value to say. He is a charisma void and he is generally unwilling to reflect on his own words or actions even when it is demonstrated to him directly that he's wrong/inconsistent. Just a generally unsavoury and unlikable person.
You inconsistently apply your standards to people who don't agree with your political views. Don't see your criticizing trump who has made statements that are just as bad or worse.
Amazed that Alex missed the recent UK controversy over voter ID: last GE was the first one it was required; IDs for pensioners all valid, those for students all not; Jacob Rees Mogg acknowledged it was an attempt at gerrymandering. Where were you Alex?
Thank you for mentioning this, I find Alex's lack of preparation for discussing political topics to be quite sad honestly. He should know, he was literally able to vote in 2019 without ID! I very much get the feeling that he doesn't recognise how out of his depth he is on political topics, much in the way he didn't recognise it in his videos on religion before going to university. Same mistake over again.
I'm usually a big Alex fan but I'm halfway through his bit on voter ID and I had to check the comments as I started to doubt myself that I didn't need any form of ID to vote until the last election! I thought I might have dreamt it all. Also, voter fraud has been proven over and over to be a non- issue, so why is he spending so much time on it?
People miss things, I read a lot of news but still feel like I'm living under a rock sometimes. He's probably a busy guy and I get the impression that he himself isn't really submerged in the political sphere even though he toughes on such topics and talks to people who are. I feel we all do well to allow ourselves and others some latitude, wouldn't you agree?
Typical conservative mindset, take a tiny problem that affected about a few dozen votes and replace with a problem that affected about a million votes 😂
@@jacobthelander6022 Sure, he may not be following in depth all the news that's happening, but has he voted at all in the UK? Until this year's election, no ID was required
Thanks Alex, this was an important one. I'm glad you allowed Steven to make his point, while providing feedback/pushback that felt fair and intuitive. As denizens of the Internet, the US election feels very high stake to pretty much all of us, and I think it's a great thing you released this ahead of Nov. 5th.
Most don't know who pays the Trump China tarrifs. US businesses do. They then add their additional 33% additional costs to the retail price to you and me. Then gave the rich a 14% permanent tax cut to the rich. Tarrifs are a tax on the importer, not the exporter. The tax goes to the US govt. This is entry level knowledge of trade.
lol none of his pushback was relevant It’s just more rightoids saying “yeah but when lefties are mean isn’t that bad? No I won’t acknowledge right wing pundits literally lie wholesale on a regular basis.”
Destiny is a narcissistic sociopath leaning person with an abusive upbringing. I learned this from when he was debating veganism. I don't see why people like him aside from the fact that he puts people down to argue which a lot of people love.
What an incredible interviewer, the questions Alex asked were fantastic. They were thought provoking and engaging and really dug down to the core of the topic in an honest way. It's truly a skill to be able to ask challenging questions to your guest in a good faith way that digs down even further. I could listen to these go back and forth all day. Keep it up Alex!
Alex lives and was born in a country called Britain - the voter ID debate happened in a country called the USA! 😉 Notice that British accent? You're welcome!
@@dhammaboy1203haha are you British? It absolutely was a debate in the UK until 2023. The former Prime Minister who brought the law in even forgot to bring his ID because the policy was so new
I disagree with Destiny's take on being mean. I can see how it can be effective in the short term in riling people up who already agree with you. However, it is a self-destructive strategy in the long term. You will never win over anyone from the other side, you will alienate everyone who is undecided, moderate, or a new voter, as well as make many people on your side uncomfortable and possibly abandon you because they don't want to be associated with someone who is so mean. I think Lex Friedman is naive about politics, but he is correct in the long term. In the long term it is always a better strategy to be loving and charitable. That brings people together in a sustainable way, it makes it much more likely for those in the middle to side with you, it doesn't alienate anyone, and it also makes those who disagree with you to respect you and makes it possible to sway some of them. And as a bonus, you won't be an immoral jerk.
everything destiny does is a way to rationalize his own behavior. he claims it's good to be mean only because it feels good to him. he's never had a moment of honest self reflection in his life.
Wellll...I want to agree. This is a RUclips comment section, so I won't go crazy hard into my POV, since it's a waste of time for me and you. Being angry/mean and aggressive is how Conservatives have been for 7+ years, from my experience. They have not STALLED ONE BIT, in their growth. I wish for a better world where people who were kind could both afford to be, and also get a win out of it, but this is no fairy tale. Angry People get together a lot, and are wayyy stronger than a group of hippies whom don't really "Fight", for "better" change. Again, no hate towards you or your pov, it is just unrealistic since human nature fights that very thought of yours.
You can say all that but you are just wrong. Donald Trump has won two elections after getting popular by giving mean nicknames to other politicians. He still does that with tons of personal attacks and still people will say that you need to be nice to them. It's obviously not working. I hear people repeat fake insults from Republicans that are supposedly moderate.
@@ShepherdSean you only see conservatives in that way because your interacting with the internet when it comes to politics. Not real life people who are just living their lives an vote conservative
I’m confused by Alex’s remarks on voter ID in the UK. I’ve lived in the UK all my life and the requirement to show ID was brought in VERY recently, literally in advance of the last general election. I agree it’s nowhere near as controversial here as in the US, but Alex is acting like the very idea of not having to show ID is incomprehensible to a British person - but it was the case until very recently. Genuinely confused.
It demonstrates he simply can’t have been following British politics at all and must not have voted in 2019 when he had the opportunity or ever spoke to his parents about voting
@@MichaelX-gq3hp I knew he was a good bit younger than me, and I don’t think he’s generally as smart about politics as he is about philosophy and religion, but it’s a surprise that he’s seemingly actually uninformed on this. I’m happy for him to talk about politics and elections, but I am gonna take it with a pinch of salt.
Classic Alex, studied Theology yet tries to wade into areas beyond his expertise. (which isn't problematic in itself, I'm a generalist, until you get things wrong thinking you're correct, because you are smarter on other subjects.)
I can now confirm all the back and forth of "why did you have Destiny on?" was BEFORE anyone watched this episode, because god damn, Alex went at him for the Twitter comments. "You're not talking to them, you're talking to me." -Alex This discourse is great. You are allowed to have mixed opinions about people, their words, and their actions.
The transatlantic special relationship is alive and well! Quintessential British vs American rhetorical style and presentation, but underneath, your brains seem to tick in similar ways. Fun convo! (from substack)
Being non partisan doesn't mean averaging between two sides. It means that you can evaluate ideas regardless of the side it comes from and consider them depending on what you think your country needs
The problem is people can say they're "non-partisan" and think they're impartially assessing ideas from both sides, but that doesn't mean what they're doing is what they think they're doing.
@@camn9851 He is redefining the concept because he considers the actual concept utopic. So he resorts to generalization because he has an emotional attachment to a side.
@@cellowifynah op took destiny’s example of what it wasn’t and tried to repaint it as destiny’s ideal entirely ignoring all of his examples on why it’s not only not non-partisan by why it actually helps extreme ideas. He also described how people claim to be non partisan while functioning specifically for partisan beliefs
Alex we only had voter ID in the UK as of two years ago. People in the UK are very used to voting without ID, you are old enough to have done it yourself several times.
@@Mopark25 I made no claim as to whether it was good or not. I just find it odd how Alex was absolutely staggered "as an outsider" by a system that until two years ago his own country had.
I don't understand why this matter ?? like voting means anything in the UK. The Queen/King makes the final decision ?? But In a country like America where the president makes the final decision, it would be important that the people voting are citizens, no ? I am not into politics and don't know much but yeah, it is very weird that you don't need to provide identification when voting... wouldn't rigging votes not be super easy if every vote isn't identifiable to a citizen ?
Yes, we used to vote without photographic I.D. but we were always expected to present a polling card as a proof of electoral registration and identity/address. Not ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
For the life of me I can't understand why people keep having Destiny on, unless it's just to dunk on him. He's the a leftist apologist on steroids. He gets out of depth so quickly but when he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, he just brushes off his ignorance and doubles down on his position. He has zero interest in learning from anyone else who has even a slightly different position from him. He's just an argumentative person, he has nothing interesting or compelling to say. He's a far leftist who can't see past his nose.
In the US we have to pay for everything. If you need an ambulance for an emergency you will get a huge bill in the mail. When I became a US citizen it cost me about $2000 just to file the paperwork and take a test.
Some important context that Destiny briefly mentioned during the voter ID segment is that most US states do actually require photo-ID when voting in-person but those that don't still require it when you REGISTER to vote. Then the poll workers verify if you're registered to vote, if you are at your correct polling location, and if you've already voted or not.
@Antidote9 Name + Home Address. Usually made easier with your voter registration cards that's automatically mailed to you. If you lose it, you can take any ID to show them, but it isn't required.
And I know the question will come up, but every state also has methods that if someone does vote using your identity, you can cast a provisional ballot that will be held and override any vote that was used in your name, provided that it isn't separated from the envelope and cast beforehand. Even if someone committed voter fraud in this way, they would need to produce a signature that matches previous signatures and hope it gets processed early. Perhaps this could happen in small numbers, but there's no way it could happen on a scale that would alter results without a huge paper trail that everyone could see. The chances of commiting this fraud are increased with in person voting, but while polling centers don't have security cameras there are cameras outside of the buildings, if a large scale fraud was detected they could narrow down where and when these votes occured and see if the same people keep showing up. So in person voter fraud is harder to stop but far more riskier to commit
@@Antidote9 There is a database of registered voters that do in fact have the voter id, including signature match. You just don't want to hear that because everybody tells you there is none.
When you register to vote in the U.S., YOU NEED AN ID. It's not like no identification process happens. You also have to re-register if you move. It's not just a free for all.
Thanks for clarifying, Destiny described it really badly and Alex did speak clearly either. It is only this last year in the uk we've had to produce I.D. and that's so they could gerrymander!
Some locations don’t require you prove you are a citizen. It is illegal for a non citizen to vote. A recent news report in New Mexico showed a non citizen received a voting ballot based on only checking a box. They reported it was a “glitch” that affected roughly 90,000 people. It’s not a stretch to see many blue states with similar “glitches” fraudulently influencing the election
How do you identify voters or make sure one person isn’t voting twice/is a citizen without ID? Not trying to make a political point, I’m genuinely curious about how that’s supposed to work?
@@Poshlly you vote at a designated polling station, when you are given a ballot, your name is removed from the list. Only one vote is allowed for that name.
@@Poshlly After registering to vote with the authorities you were designated a polling station which is the only place were you can vote. When you arrived they scored your name from the list. So you could only vote once. Technically, someone could have pretend to be you and steal your vote but that was never really considered a problem as no one did it … ID wasn't needed as the UK used to be a high trust society … I'm guessing the US used to be too
@@Poshllythe electoral register ensures that only citizens / residents of that constituency get to vote, and only once. Impersonating someone on the register will only work if that person hasn't voted yet and is VERY likely to be discovered when they attempt to. If you get lucky and impersonate someone that doesn't bother to vote, you've successfully stolen... 1 vote. As a method of stealing an election it's extraordinarily ineffective: imagine how many thousands of people you would need to recruit to affect the result, and how vanishingly unlikely such a scheme would not be noticed. Consequently it hardly ever happened. More Tory MPs were prosecuted for SA than voters prosecuted for that kind of voter fraud.
The CDC is not allowed to study the subject of firearm deaths via the Dickey amendment which prohibits the Federal government from studying or advocating anything that might lead to gun control. It states this rather explicitly.
@@ggunnelspct This is factually wrong. The CDC tracks firearm deaths and they even track them by type of death and the profile of the people who commit the crime or die because of the crime. Posting data related to gun deaths is not "advocating for a type of gun control" and is not subject to whatever amendment you're talking about. The CDC is an executive agency, they just repost FBI death statistics, which are already publicly available. If this was the case, NO agency would be able to post firearm related data. Which is obviously false.
@@swickens930 There is a difference between re-posting data, and creating/publishing studies. They can research any number of health or drug related issues and present studies that provide support for or against certain policies. They can't do it with firearms which is the problem.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Tbh I don't really see that as much of a problem though. It's actually a pretty simple problem. The United States is the safest place on the planet and we all have guns and we have almost no gun deaths. BUT, one demographic skews that entire metric and one demographic is SOLELY responsible for any negative data related to gun deaths. That's it, end of story, it's that simple. If said demographic stopped committing gun violence, the USA would immediately jump to somewhere around the top 3 safest places on the planet and we'd have some of the lowest rates of gun crime on the planet. You don't need studies to find that conclusion you only need data.
As someone who lives in California, you have to register to vote months before the election period starts or else you can’t vote. The registration makes you verify a ton of information to make sure you live in California, that you are and have been a US citizen, confirm your address with government issued mail to prove it etc. If and when you choose to vote, you walk up and verify that you’ve pre-registered. They look you up to make sure you are registered and haven’t voted before. If you’re all clear then you get a ballot. I can’t speak for other states but California has the equivalent of a voter ID, but purely digital.
This is not true. You can still register the day of, but it's at least a 20-minute process. Instead of a 2-minute wait to verify your info. And signature.
@ yeah u can register the day of, u just need to bring government mail, an ID and possibly social security number depending on the county. that’s why officials stress registering early but if u have to do same day, then come early
@irenegrene488 Wrong again, it's not required to vote. You just need to fill out paperwork that has your info, like ss, date of birth, current address, and full name, & party preference. No ID requirement, at least in my county. The form they fill out acts as an ID. If they choose to offer their ID, it makes the process faster and more accurate, but they are allowed to refuse ID. However, the electronic system will give a provisional paper ballet, which is determined valid by the counting clerks. At least, that's how my county works. We are discouraged to ask for ID.
I like destiny and watch his videos, but alex was right about his comments on the fire fighter, destinys only response is essentially "but conservatives did it so I shouldnt have to apologize", common sense should tell you that two wrongs dont make a right, and alex is right he should lead by example, when the average person sees him saying things like that all they think is "wow what a crazy person" and immediately disregard anything he has to say This "scorched earth" path he is on is never going to further his message with the average voter, Alex destroyed him in that part and is completely right, it is not and never will be an effective political tactic, anyone with common sense can see that
alex, we've only had voter ID in the UK since 2022. before then, it worked the same as how it did in america (you walk in and confirm your name and address).
i have never once voted in germany without prior identification by my "Personalausweis" or ID in that lingo. You need it for booze, if you look underage, or anything official. How is that considered strange anywhere else?
@@Dvnllnvg it's strange if there is ANY barrier to actually getting the ID. that's what a lot of republicans want, and what a lot of tories in the UK wanted (the list of ID you can use to vote isn't exhaustive here, and still resulted in some people getting turned away). if there was a form of ID given to every citizen for free, maybe it would be okay, but that's not always the case
people need to prove they are allowed to vote. its pretty simple. this whole voter ID is such nonsense. if you want to vote then present your US passport. anything else like driver's license makes no sense since non citizens can get those.
CDC wasn't explicitly prevented from firearm research, but interpreted the Dickey Ammendment as such and avoided that research from 1997-2018. In 2018 congress clarified that the CDC could research firearm violence and later specifically earmarked money for it.
Trust me, there are a lot of people who want the immigration system of the US to change. If you wanna know, my honest opinion, the only reason we even have an immigration system in the US is because a bunch of white people didn’t want a bunch of Asian immigrants coming over. Even the Irish weren’t good enough for these people. They were so terrified of non-white immigrants changing the culture of the United States that they created probably one of the most draconian immigration laws to prevent it from happening.
Because the legal process is intentionally obtuse and doesn't provide for the proper volume to accomplish future economic issues. Washington doesn't want to streamline it or make it easier either.
@@fvw1187it shouldn’t be easy, this is not a a free for all field anyone can run on, this is one of the greatest countries on earth and should be the hardest country to get into in the world, not impossible, but for sure difficult, and my family were denied permanent status within the states as Canadians through e2
@@SuCCeSSvS super cringe. Greatest country in earth?!? Wow. For who? White upper middle class with college degrees mostly. Everyone else can either sign up as cannon fodder in the middle east or pick beans living in hotels with 10 of their family members. I'm exaggerating but the point is salient. It's not great for a lot of people and it will get worse if we don't increase our tax base. Immigration is an obvious solution to that.
@@SuCCeSSvSMassive difference between difficulty as in high set of standards vs difficulty as in intentionally obtuse and ineffective out of sheer spite. JP immigration is hard but its because they set the bar high, not because they're just xenophobic.
He justified so so so many things by saying “well other people do it/don’t do it, so why should/shouldnt I?”. Guys. Don’t live like him. Follow the truth, but don’t sacrifice virtue in the process.
You’re misrepresenting the argument. The left has held itself to a higher standard of honesty and decency and it has gained nothing for it. Younger generations continue leaning more right wing and less liberal from past elections. I think there’s some truth to it that being mean and mocking others bolsters morale, and imo liberals have been way too dispassionate lately. He does believe there are benefits to being mean, and when you’re getting absolutely throttled by a wanna be king who’s so obviously unhinged and no one cares, perhaps it’s time to get off the high horse and start playing at their level. Republican news comes out again and again as lying, or consorting with others or spreading misinformation and yet they get no punishments. This cannot go on. In WW1 countless men died as cannon fodder to the new machinery, we don’t need to waste like that if the other side is happy building trenches.
Politics is all about compromise though. If one side is giving themselves an advantage while bending the rules, there's no virtue in going down on that ship. My trans boyfriend is going to have a really hard time in this new administration, and I'm scared. I wish democrats would have used more effective mud-slinging to protect him.
Regarding Facebook/Meta and Zuckerberg. As an individual it's indeed (nearly) impossible to be non partisan. As a platform, it's very possible. In this case it means freedom of speech for both sides and everything in between. Let the Democrats post what they want. Let the Republicans do the same. No intervention up until the point of violating laws. Isn't that what being non partisan means?
Eric Weinstein is a Democrat and he told Piers Morgan he can find no reason to vote for Kamala. He also talked about issues with the 2020 election, so I'd love to see a conversation between him and Destiny.
@@FinalFantasyXDen-br4to Eric Weinstein is a Democrat in the same way that Trump is a Democrat. Ever since he fell down the pseudoscience grift rabbit hole he knows his audience and paycheck comes from satiating his right-wing followers.
Why do people keep bringing destiny to speak about anything. This dude is not some expert, he's not an authority on any subject, yet people want his opinion.
I don't think that's what he's upset about at all. Without judgement, I think you've misunderstood him 26:18 and 28:48 He's upset at the misinformation wildfire that's burned through twitter and demolished our political discourse. People don't agree on really important and easily verifiable things, such as whether the previous election was "rigged." Last I saw, 70% of US republicans believed in "the big lie." Whatever your belief is, that's a huge split on an important issue. If we can't create digital spaces that remedy this, we're cooked.
@@jenispizz2556 He is mad about it because he thinks that is why the election was lost. The answer to this particular issue is to have the most secure elections possible. Dumb people will always believe dumb shit on both sides, because they want to. I dont need a internet nanny, I care more about free expression, even if its something others consider wrong or bad.
Alex, we've only needed ID to vote in the UK since May 2023; 3.2% of people surveyed by 'More In Common' after that vote stated they were turned away at least once as a result of this. So you were correct that you were speaking from ignorance about that.
I thought I was going crazy listening to that part. I cant fathom how an intelligent, educated, and more importantly BRITISH, guy like him wouldn’t know that. I was so baffled that I thought maybe I misunderstood what he was saying.
@@Barrybeastmode He was wrong to imply the UK has always required ID... We've only had an ID requirement to vote since 2022, and the 2024 General Election was the first to require ID.
@@MMAGamblingTips calling anything he disagrees with disinformation instead of engaging with the facts..Look how easily he is owned by right wingers as soon as he is pushed on his disinformation rhetoric.. watch him debate with Rob Noer and Andrew Wilson, destiny runs like a little girl.
I appreciate a lot of Destiny’s points on policy, but his view of the political perspectives doesn’t make sense to me. I consider myself center-right, primarily economically. I’m pretty indifferent on social stances. He says that most “centralists” aren’t actually centralists, but are pretending to be centralists for the aesthetic and believe *a plethora of bs that MAYBE my crazy aunt believes*. Then he goes on to say all conservatives are low IQ. I don’t see how this is any different than lazy MAGAers that just say “All the libs are soft.” I don’t think global warming is a hoax, or the vaccine is going to kill everyone. Does that make me a liberal or a completely incompetent Trumper? I think Alex has a good point in highlighting the hypocrisy of lazy name calling. And that Destiny’s approach is just as unhelpful as any ‘MAGA scream in your face individual.’
I think Destiny's perspective is warped by his social media usage. The centrists he talk about are the major influencers he listed. In real life many people who are centrists are more like you.
The right are objectively lower iq than the left; there’s a reason why the higher-educated overwhelmingly vote left. Just look at trumps campaign; his ‘economic policy’ is tariffs, something he claims will bring inflation down. Meanwhile, every economist (or honestly anyone who’s done econ 101) understands that tariffs are inflationary, and that it is the American people who will foot the majority of the bill. You have to be stupid to vote for Trump. There is legitimately nothing else to add there. America has a serious education problem.
@@MrFinnishbasterdif you vote Trump you are not a centrist. No centrist could look at the actions of Trump taken to undermine the democratic process on Jan 6th and ever consider voting for him. No centrist see his totally ridiculous economic policy and vote for him. No centrist could look at his comments regarding deporting 11 million people and vote for him.
Desmond Tutu said: "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." That is why stating you are neutral or non-partizan, then you are indirectly choosing the side of the oppressor.
@@Griot.7294 One side is always objectively right, while the other is objectively wrong. Which side is objectively right and objectively wrong changes depending on the situation, but there is no situation I can possibly imagine in all of history in which both sides were equally right or equally wrong. You can't be objective and also be neutral or nonpartisan
This cannot be a universal policy, even this has to be applied in wisdom. Morality and injustice are not universal concepts. They change as you move from one society to another and can be bent to suit the needs of the proponent.
@@awhryanhow can you be partisan and objective? “Being partisan” means you agree with a given party, despite the facts. It’s mutually exclusive with being objective, focusing only on the facts. More, how can you *not* be neutral? For example, both parties support Israel fully in it’s attack on Gaza, which has already killed tens of thousands and that’s mostly women and children, not soliders. How can you not be neutral, i.e. not support either side? Or are you willing to ignore that in favour of either party due to personal reasons, therefore becoming unobjective?
@@Swatotastic I look at the Israel situation the same way I do most things now regarding politics, whichever side is better on the issue is the one I support. The Democrats are at least willing to try to appeal to Palestine supporters, with Bernie sanders outright condemning Israel and Harris supporting a ceasefire, compared to trump who has outright said he wants Palestine to be destroyed. There is one side in this situation who is obviously better
Reality is the moral and factual foundations of both sides are irreconcilable. As much as you may wish to bring both sides together, that only works if there is common unifying element between them' instead each side not only believes they live in a completely different world but their opponent is evil.
Destiny is the reactionary result of years of conservative propaganda in the United States. I empathize with his frustration but as you point out his tirades only strengthen the national divide. There is a large amount of our electorate that no longer listens to reason. We must find better ways to illustrate to them they are not voting in their best interest.
@@blackaua I would probably say that letting 9 year olds try to transition to another sex, and the weird outgroup preference they have is at odd with a lot of people. I mean, the far right has religion I guess, but I still think the left is far worse, but I lean right, I guess that makes sense.
I disagree. Democrats have been bending over backwards to appease Republicans for over a decade. It's not working for us at all. Republicans view us as more extreme despite how much we've moved on economic and immigration issues. The division in our society is from the internet and terrible Republican leadership. Last I checked, 70% of Republicans believed the last election was stolen. They believe that because Trump said so, and their media outlets uncritically amplify that. FOX lost one of the biggest defamation cases in history intentionally spreading misinfo about the election, and were not punished with decreased viewership. Bridge building is good, but you can't build a bridge to fantasy land. We need to use the most effective tactics to win elections, and then FORCE republicans to come back to the real world and participate healthily. They have an advantage in elections considering their cult like Trump following. We have to find a way to overcome.
"IQ" was mentioned about 10 times in this interview. @CosmicSkeptic I would love to see an interview with an expert on the subject... or a deep dive on the history and current research on "IQ" as a concept. I cringe a little any time I hear someone mention "IQ". I'd be a little disappointed if human intelligence could be reduced to a single dimension.
Speaking into the void, my friend. Anyone willing to watch Destiny with serious intent at this point is certainly a character with a "low IQ" (by the logic of the common human of today) or just looking for some entertainment. ...Or...digging into the comments to see if there's anything worth noting, whether humorous or serious...the masses as a collective are slow to catch up. Thanks for the reinforcement of knowledge though!
I have become sceptical about the IQ argument when I looked deeper into the topic of motivated reasoning. Intelligent people are really good at reasoning. This means they are highly efficient at arguing towards wherever their biases push them. Even awareness about some of ones own biases cant deactivate them. Were always being influenced by our tribal nature.
@@spenarkley You were onto something at first, but then you basically said intelligent people can't deactivate their biases and I don't believe that. I think the most intelligent are capable of it and even combat their own biases and change their biases when necessary for intellectual advancement. However, you also could be right depending on what you're including in your definition of "intelligence". If you're not including willpower, then perhaps you are right (for some intelligent people). Willpower is more important than intelligence, in my opinion, because it drives you to your intelligence and then drives your intelligence itself to higher calibers. I guess they kind of correspond to each other in some way. Your IQ result is accurate probably, but only during the specific time you take the test (maybe for a small threshold of time) and only in regard to the values you are inputting, right? For example, you can be really good at figuring out what shapes are different or out of shape, blah blah, but that doesn't mean when you go into a forest with a bunch of trees that you will see the patterns you need to distinguish them from each other. Although you would like to assume/believe someone who could figure out shapes so easily would have much more potential to distinguish said trees. There are just too many dynamics and external factors that vary and change so often to calculate to get an absolute measurement of someone's brain power. So, IQ can be somewhat of an indicator, but it's not a solid dependable measurement. The best analogy I can think of at the top of my head is that someone's IQ is like seeing the shape of the Earth from afar. Your IQ is round, warm, and blue they would say...but if you are technical and get close enough, you will see your IQ is far from round, has many temperatures, and not just blue...
Yeah, instant turn off to me.. "below 90 iq individual" makes you sound.... like a 14 yo boy? Also liberal use of the word retarded goes against my british values.... just say cunt
I'd consider Alex to be a budding great mind with a wonderful trajectory. Destiny? I'm not so sure. The man currently lacks humility, in my eyes, which is a profound character flaw for any aspiring intellectual.
its very hard listening to destiny because he doesnt seem like a person that can genuinely talk about a serious problem because he immidiately gets very aggresive and emotional. i want to hear whats on his mind but this is just difficult to listen to. also him saying that he doesnt like the behaviour from the conservaties which intitles him to having the same bad behaviour and that he doesnt hold himself to higher standart since the coservatives dont neither just doenst really resonate with me. i would rather hear him trying to be better than the political ideology he hates. also him saying he shouldve been more rude when talking to ben shapiro and other conservatives kinda reflects on all of this and doesnt paint a really nice picture about his character. i think you should try to be better than the people you hate.
It bothers me that this guy thinks that Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Ben Shapiro, Candice Owens and Dave Rubin speak for conservatives. I personally don’t listen to any of them and can’t stand 3/4 of them, although I do tune in to Ben Shapiro occasionally just to see what he’s been saying now and then. Generally I find him to be a bit much. This guy is discounting a large number of Quiet Conservatives, that aren’t interested in buying into the political hysteria of our time, don’t think the earth is flat and do think the J6 rioters were a bunch of hillbillies. I mean, the horned Qanon shaman, give us a break…
The problem is they (the hysterical conservatives along with the help of the extreme liberals who love to give these clowns preference) have won. Reasonable Republicans like John McCain and mitt Romney are gone. They are no more. This new breed has the wheel and throws any dissenting conservatives over board.
I have never listened a more calm collected interviewer ever! No matter how emotional the interviewee got Alex just brought him back to the centre again!! Excellent!!
Whenever I hear Destiny describe his opposition… I’m honestly shocked at how he thinks morons in his comment section represent all of Conservatives. It all depends on how diverse your exposure to them are. The conservatives around me are completely capable of relational discussion and don’t believe in half the crap he thinks they do.
I appreciate Alex's pushing Destiny on the twitter comments. I think Destiny was out of line for saying the firefighter sort of had it coming because he was attending a Trump rally, its just a very petulantly extreme reaction, BUT Destiny stood by his comment (however insensitive) and didn't backpedal when confronted. And again, respect to Alex for doing the confronting and pushing for definitive answers and clarity.
Destiny gives definitive answers and clarity without being prompted, repeating himself in a fresh way is something he does when the person he’s speaking to can’t understand him the first time
Yeah, that was kind of a last straw for me when listening to destiny. You can be consistent in your thinking, but it doesn't help when you are wrong. Its was a pretty gross comment.
When you do/say something horrible it's honestly better to backpedal. It could have been a horrific but impulsive thought at the time but the fact that he stands by it says way more about his disgusting character.
I have been a pretty regular consumer of Destiny content over the course of the last 4 years or so. He is in a downward spiral of jadedness and his opinions are becoming too extreme for real moderates. He states that he hates progressives, but seems to be becoming his own brand of extremist. It was fun while it lasted, I guess.
Hey Californian here, I voted earlier this week and the poll worker asked for my Drivers license so if there is a rule against asking for ID it is not being enforced.
Checking IDs and verifying personal identity has always been a thing and is not what people are talking about when "voter ID" is being debated. Now you are beginning to understand why the push for voter ID laws are stupid.
It’s important to mention that you’ll only be allowed to vote in a specific area and you can’t go to some other place and vote twice. And if you ever do move states, well you’re required to tell the state you don’t longer live there and they’ll take you off the list, and if you don’t, your name will eventually be marked if you haven’t voted in a few elections and eventually taken off the list. That’s what voter purges are for
The biggest issue of voter ID is not just individuals cheating, it is the government cheating. Individuals can sway small local elections but large-scale cheating is always done at the behest of the ruling parties. Let's say someone is a registered voter where vote by mail is allowed. Government officials can check if the person has requested a ballot, request it for them, fill it, and count it. Sadly, every election expert now pretends as if vote by mail is a solid system, or that IDs are not required for voting, but if you go ten years back they all disagreed with these takes.
So who is going to get the name and address of someone, go to a poll and vote for that person, assume that person isnt going to vote (because they WILL check it to see if people voted twice) and risk multiple YEARS in jail, all to potentially get a single extra vote....... NOBODY FUCKING DOES THIS.
Exactly, which is why despite repeated (especially in recent years) excess scrutiny and double-checking of all votes in US elections, no noteworthy amount of voter fraud has been found. The US system has proven itself by every metric to be highly fraud-resistant. Still doesn't stop people from pushing any narrative which is convenient to them.
@@Mynameisntmegan even the closest state that Trump wanted was what, like ten thousand votes. Someone would have to organize with thousands, or lets just say hundreds of people who each find multiple people who wont vote, then steal their vote and vote for them. Then nobody would have to get caught then rat on anyone else in this plot. All to maybe swing one state with the risk years in prison for everyone. It's mind boggling that people think this is a current problem.
The only thing I ever notice from Destiny is that he thinks he has all the information and thus the answers. He never seems to be in a conversation to learn or reach new understanding but rather to bend the opponents will to his world view through cynicism and brushing them off as moronic.
I don't agree with Destiny's argument of using the same tactics as "the other side" on the basis that we would get the same morale boosts. In this case being mean. I think different strategies would better boost morale for the left, but they come at the cost of not demoralizing the other side. Many people may not resonate with Destiny's way of communicating because they understand the fallacy of group think, toxicity, close mindedness. Meaning, being mean, crude, aggressive and winning an argument or demoralizing your opposition doesn't automatically make you correct. There is an additional step for reasonable people to resonate with the argument in order to avoid bandwagon. Tldr: strategies vary on "stat" boosts depending on the target. I dont believe far right argument strategies are very effective for reasonable people.
I love Alex for being willing to bring on people he might disagree with for one reason or another. But I particularly loved this video, because I think we all feel like Destiny does sometimes. We're fed up with the bullshit, but Alex is possibly right that we should not become the very thing we hate others for. I feel Destiny is right to not take any shit from people in debates but he's wrong to say some of the things he does unprovoked on his social media. When provoked, sure, but not unless one has to do so. But that is just my opinion really.
I didn't know Alex before I stumbled on this video. Instant love. I'm not really aware of Destiny's online presence. In the context of this video, he really verbalized a lot of what I think myself. In a perfect world, politics in the USA should sound like Alex (I'm Canadian, so of course I prefer a nice conversation where both parties are searching the truth). But I kinda understand the need for the US to shutdown crackpots with a more agressive take like Destiny is doing. Really hoping MAGA ends with Trump and Republican can go back being "the adult in the room", managing finance and these things. The enemy from within is real: it is MAGA inside the Republican party
I love when you have Destiny on. You're a great interviewer, and you do an incredible job of challenging points without being insulting or demeaning, always worth a listen from me
Loved this conversation and love these two speakers. Both highly intelligent and quick-witted. Alex did a great job pressing Destiny on key things but still allowed him to speak his mind. Great conversation.
@@DSTmune I am just confused that people see someone like destiny as intelligent, and not because of his political opinions but simply from a perspective of standarts for intelligence.
@@Niffunn If you're talking about his idiolect I get that. He comes off an a**hole because of his fast and rude remarks but it certainly doesn't make him stupid. I think Destiny is a kind of speaker that isn't necessary great at convincing people to like him, but he's usually right. He's fast and quick in conversations and comebacks, and spends a lot of time reading and researching what he believes in. I personally find him intelligent because of this but I understand why people don't agree and that's okay 👍
The confederates were traitors. Civilians that spy for other countries are traitors, people like Tim Pool that get paid by foreign actors against the interests of his country are traitors.
@@kathleenmccrory9883 there’s an overlap for sure, but yes they’re different things. If you start trying to interchange those words, it’s going to make zero sense.
I am an election worker in Kansas and we require voters to show a valid form of photo ID and state their current address. Alex, you essentially asked how we know if they are telling the truth? Voters in the US have to be registered before they can vote and election workers will have access to a list of the voters that are registered to vote at that polling location, and so we are checking the name and address against the entry in the registry. In some states if they don’t require a photo ID, they may just use a different form of verification like a voter registration card that the voter has to present to the election worker. If they don’t appear in the registry, then here in Kansas the law is that they vote a Provisional Ballot, which is exactly like a regular ballot in terms of what the voter has to vote on, but there is a lot more information that the voter is required to fill out. This info is used in the following weeks after election day to determine (usually by some sort of county commission) whether or not that individual’s ballot should be counted, and often they will reach out to the voter if information needs to be clarified.
I watched scananavian conservatives fly to every American state without voter ID laws and vote Republican just to prove the point of how absurd this is
Ben Shapiro along with every name he mentioned has repeatedly condemned political violence, Destiny is either ignorant or lying, doing the very things he condemns so strongly. I'm a conservative who actually liked Destiny because I found him to be more civil, now I'm rethinking that.
Realistically, if you become the very thing you supposedly hate, how do you not expect that mentality and compromised morality to not permeate in the culture you're trying to build/maintain/protect?
I would agree with that. Perhaps Destiny's views are shaped by a materialistic egoistic and consequentialist moral framework, but as someone who prefers virtue ethics, I would say that there is something fundamentally wrong with becoming what one once opposed. Sure, there may be some situations in which we would have to take extreme actions, but I would argue that we need to keep raising the bar higher. Steven seems to think that behaving morally while others fail to do so would be self-destructive. However, this need not be the case in every situation. For example, when the Muslim League and the Hindu Mahasabha were encouraging violence and hatred in the country, Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, and many other leaders of the Indian freedom struggle maintained their principles and refused to allow their degradation. Most of them remained committed to ahimsa and did not engage in dishonest sloganeering. And, in the end, thez succeeded. Had they not courageously preserved their virtues, there is a chance that the violence of the partition would have led to a full-fledged civil war and an irreversible fragmentation of India. The following words of Mahatma Gandhi come to mind: "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." -'The Essential Gandhi' May you have a great day, friend! I hope that love and peace prevail in the world! 🙏☮️
how does he become the thing he hates? He hates people who are off the wall insane and lie all the time and doesn't even care about the concept of truth. not being nice doesn't make him into any of those things.
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hats off on that integration
You missed that the voter registration is public information as well
nice transition to ur sponsor. like a shot from a nice doctor - almost didnt feel it.
Let’s be real. If there is a civil war, none of the people profiting from it will be actually fighting in it.
One thing I love - Alex doesn't do the stupid intro 'here's what's coming up in this video" trailers that most people do. Please don't change ♥
Agree. I hate that crap. Mostly because it sets your framing before hearing any of the content of the video. It's pretty hard to dispassionately judge things if you already are forming biases.
That shit is annoying.
@@MrMurph73 I especially hate it when the clips make the discussions seem more divisive than they really are.
I think those are used to pad the video time.
what a high standard to have
Alex is a really good interviewer. Just extremely professional the entire time and asks challenging questions without coming across overly adversarial.
He's very good at articulating a criticism without making it an attack.
Alex won't, so I'll ask you, Alex said he has seen MAGA speaking out against political violence.
Surely, you have that clip. We'll wait, forever is my bet.
But yes, he has a bitchin accent, hmmm?
Indeed, i love it, he set up some really good points that should be made.
Like that part about civility politics, 34:21
"They go low, we go high" is quite litterally just a chance for the right to screw us over.
You can see a video series called " the alt right playbook" on a chanel i forget the name of at the moment. Its basically the tactics the right uses to get what they want.
He's a stereotypical "both sides" guy. Stale.
His not very well informed
The last thing Destiny needs is a red bull
Ahahaha
😂😅😂
He's a stim addict. Addy, meth, caffeine.
@@PipleZiple if you say it enough itll surely become true
@WaffleOcupies2ce he openly admits to using stimulants (Adderall). It's why he is "wired" constantly. He abuses them to "focus".
Now is it wrong? No.
When I started lifting weights I noticed there was a strong republican presence in every online group. It’s wild how even something so universally beneficial can become politicized.
Sadly kinda true, though most of the guys I meet are just apolitical.
It's just a selection effect. The same things that tend to make people leftists in terms of personality also make them less likely to want to work out.
it's a bit sad innit
@@lostzephyr2191sources
guys on the left / democrats are so stereotypically dweeby without any muscle mass.....like.....you're just realizing this? 🤣
I really appreciate how Alex pushes Destiny on his twitter comments, 99% of the time they're just used as a gotcha or an attempt to poison the well. Alex interrogates them from a frame that Destiny is actually going to engage with specifically when he asks"are they politically effective to the left as well as the right" and actually pulls some fresh conversation out of them.
Why doesn't Destiny get off X right now......
wtf is stopping him 🤣 except for the fact he's FULL OF SH** lol
@Macheako Do you remember the name of the nice lady who gives you your pills in the morning?
Alex seems to be stuck in politics 50 years ago, when Republicans could actually be shamed... the double standards now days is insane! Arguing for democrats to fight with their hands behind their backs, while Republicans literally get to paid off refs or judges, is just crazy
@@Macheako Destiny fucking loves trolling on Twitter. Been that way for 11+ years. I suppose he is upset now because Twitter is mostly just used by bot accounts.
@@Macheakohis answer was very clear, might wanna relisten before you start lying lmao
The sane washing bit is so true. The BBC is the worst for this. They genuinely had a geological scientist and a flat earther debate as if they were equal arguments.
Isn't that what we're doing by having this guy talk with Alex?
@@Zangelinhow so
@@Zangelinwhat the hell are you talking about
@@wakanda0070 Errrm Alex is a reasonable human being and "Destiny" is a WWE heel without the muscles.
The BBC interviewed a 'breast milk expert' aka an activist, who said that trans women's 'breast' milk was better for the baby than a females, with absolutely no rebuttal. It's insane.
Destiny isn’t mincing words. Which is great. People try to maintain the pretence of “decorum” and “civility” while the darkest and most vile things are wrapped in candy-stripped packaging… it’s good to be infuriated and excited that anger unfiltered. We do care about free speech after all…don’t we ?
Advocating political violence doesn't fall under free speech but nice try.
Sure free speech is great, including being a clown who appeals to clowns
Destiny is a freakshow of a human
“Wow, it’s so great that this conversation is happening”
Once we stop speaking substantively about what is being said and start talking about the fact that people are talking, something has gone terribly wrong
@@gaulishrealistYes, it does. There's a difference between free speech and what your constitution protects or criminalises. I'm also against protections for inciting violence but because political power often leads to violence, violence becomes a necessity for self-defence, emancipation and liberation.
The United States of America as a nation was born when the revolutionaries incited the settlers to revolt against the British crown. It is violence for political aims, and those aims were sovereignty and self-governance.
If you listen at 65% speed, Alex sounds drunk and Destiny sounds like a normal person.
Addy's go brr
lol!
I get the feeling this guy doesn't like Trump
Haha, yeah I think so
I get the feeling you watch a lot of anti Trump people talk, because this comment is in every anti Trump discussion comment section. You have some specific concerns you want to voice?
Trust me! I liked Trump a lot until project 2025 came into existence.
@@eanfran lol, "specific concerns"? How do you not have concerns about Trump and his fascist ideations? Instead whining about comments, why don't you justify why you support a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist for POTUS? Why do you support a guy who says he'll "deploy the military against the radical left".
@@kinsumandal2467y
You'll be glad to know that he has nothing to do with project 2025 (whom he has openly disavowed) then
I saw the Ground News ad coming a mile away, yet the transition was still so damn good.
I hate when content creators do that. Absolutely sacrifices credibility of the creator. I wonder if they choose to do this, or are instructed to by the advertiser.
I know. I hate it when creators who talk about politics always find a way to seamlessly fit that ad into their videos lol
@@AndrewDangerously Interesting traitor caption. It was treasonous for Hilary and the DNC to work with the FBI and corporate media to fabricate Russia Gate to impeach a newly elected president. They are lucky Trump didn't put them all in Guantanamo Bay
@@AndrewDangerously Yeah, well, I hate when people use the term "content creators." Most vapid shit that's entered the English language in quite some time.
right when he started the segway i thought “oh like ground news” and even though i saw it coming it was so good i couldn’t help but be impressed lmao
Man, Alex is so good at challenging Destiny with actual intelligent questions unlike most people who are just nakedly partisan or attack his character. Always enjoy listening to you two having a conversation.
well, most people attack Destiny because they lose. Alex lost too. He did stick the rules of debate though and that is honorable and just
I haven't listened to destiny a lot but I do get the feeling he tries to "win" the conversation. Which is what I thought of this as, a conversation, not a debate. So it's interesting to hear you say that Alex lost in this. If Destiny is known for debating and the audience are looking for a "winner" it sheds a lot of light on that feeling I had of his conversation style.
@@oWildChildo It definitely has some debate elements to it. Alex has a point of view, destiny another and they discuss. that's what a debate is. Most conversations about politics are debates, whether they are a traditional debate or not
@@kevintownsend3720 Alex was pushing back in an interview. That's not a debate by any stretch of the imagination. That's pressing into the interviewee's claims and opinions as any fair journalist should do while ultimately giving the interviewee the floor to answer how they want.
@@kevintownsend3720 Alex wasn't debating. This is how normal conversations go with him.
I have been trying to understand Destiny for a while and I think I have made a few observations.
1- The guy is chronically online: his world view is essentially driven by the content he reads and interacts with even from the most fringe corners of the internet. He views the world in the extreme lens. So when he sees a very strange take on twitter, he assumes that is what the political zeitgeist is on the right and so every time he sees a right leaning person, he assigns to them the thought process and views that he sees in the deep dark corners of the internet.
2- Destiny believes his view is always correct; and if you disagree you are either evil, or dumb. It is not that you have made several logical considerations to arrive at certain opinions. The minute you disagree with him , you are to him the amalgamation of the strange and weird views he sees online.
3- Destiny cannot see political beliefs as a spectrum. It is why he cannot see that the vast majority of Americans lie somewhere in the middle and swing back and forth between political parties depending on the current environment.
Most Americans want a form of social justice but they dont want to be discriminating against simply because they are not a minority. Most Americans want some sort of social welfare system, but they dont want to be taxed to high heavens to achieve this. They want security, but dont want the government spying on them or their political opponents.
To Destiny everything is linear, there are no nuances, there are no compromises.
Because he cannot find a middle ground, a balance between his personal views , and a broadly acceptable view, he cannot come up with rational remedies.
Destiny is not pro left, he is anti right. He seems intelligent, but the inability to draw out the nuances is why he just turns off most people when he talks. Destiny is a lot like the old school conservatives, uncompromising, unwilling to see the other side, unwilling to accept that seeing things different doesn’t make you the devil.
That is why he cannot understand why Facebook refuses to censor content this time round. He cannot have a normal political discussion without coming off as if he is arguing, he is always on the edge , waiting for you to say one thing that is out of line for him to completely write you off as stupid or r*tarded.
Funny thing is the left would not take him, many of them are far less tolerant than he is, he just does not know it yet.
Having never heard of Destiny before and only seeing him talk here, I think this a great dissection of what i saw.
100%. his problem with the internet and people is what exactly shown in his own behavior. A man fallen victim to an echo chamber. On top of that, a dweeb with a shitty attitude
Good analysis, destiny appears to be a product of twitch and twitter. Yes, no real community to ground him, no united family to represent or defend. Just erratic outrage strawmens, everyone who disagrees with me is dumb or extreme or propagandized. Its a comfortable position to take for his intellectual pride. He is always right and always justified, no matter how vile or irrational.
Hard to listen to IMO.
you can boil it all down and say that destiny is an insufferable assh*le with a personality disorder
The man is obviously and openly mentally ill. He pretends to support freedom and justice but then he wants anyone who disagrees with him to be silenced or deplatformed. He is in essence the purest form of a fascist I.e. someone that wants to shape the world around his view of right and wrong whilst not holding himself to any standards and being willing to go to any lengths to enforce his will. The host was overly polite in not calling out this as his calling for conservatives to be permanently removed whilst giving himself licence to do most if not all the things he says they should be removed for is crazy
I know alex is young but the first time the UK required ID was in the may 2023 local elections.
wonder if its from the immigration scare.
Nope, just classic voter suppression @@gabrielmccray3457
he’s older than me and i’ve voted twice without id (scottish election) so no idea what he’s on about. there’s been huge controversy about it????
Also UK mail-in votes don't require ID, once you've registered they send them to your house and you can vote that way without anything else. Not sure if that's the case in the US too though.
He's bought into the conservative lies about the magnitude of fraud.
The truth is that the level of actual fraud is so trivial that the implementation of voter ID eliminates 1000s of times more legitimate voters, and its always surgically aimed at people of color (Why can you vote with a gun license and not a library card?)
this is my introduction to Alex, subscribed.
Been watching his stuff for almost 4 or 5 years, he’s brilliant
If you're not British, he is significantly misleading the view on voter ID it's very new, very weird
same @@SpaceRally
This is my introduction to destiny.
I've seen him as a guest host on the Atheist Experience 5 years ago. I haven't seen him at all since then until today.
"There is no political virtue or principle in allowing yourself to be crushed by an opponent who is not going to play by the same set of rules"
bro quoted himself 💀
Basado
@@huzayfasyed5488He was quoting Destiny at 35:45
@iEnderJaysonTDA
It's a zoomer, any video longer than 10 minutes is a blank to them.
Dems are playing by their own rules... and it's why they lost
Destiny sounds like he lives online. The real world isn't as crazy as in his brain; he just sounds unhinged here. It's entertaining, sure, but geez...
He’s probably a Reddit mod
That Ground News add segue was masterful.
I literally laughed out loud
As soon as he started the sentence I was like “surely he’s not….”
But he was lol
timestamp?
the fact that Alex uses the same mic as Destiny in his studio made the segue super seamless too
@@damiloification19:23
I'm afraid our friend Alex is ignorant on voter ID in the UK. The conservatives only pushed it through for the last election and it was a mess in parts. The conservative party also limited the sorts of ID that would be considered valid too. Hope he has a look at that post interview
And? This is true in basically every other European state as well. You can only use Photo ID such as:
Drivers license, ID card, government ID and passport.
All ID isn’t equaly valid. Such as a student ID or ID without photo etc
@@inteallsviktigt In many of those European countries its illegal not to vote. If we added that caveat I'd be happy with voter ID.
The problem is election fraud is close to nothing in US and UK so voter ID laws are ONLY introduced to reduce voter turn out.
@@inteallsviktigtPortugal has a mandatory ID card that you use for every id check you need. For the longest time, I thought that was the standard everywhere. How retarded that some countries don't have it or dont make it mandatory? It makes no sense not to have it.
@@inteallsviktigt It is still a very new development in the UK and has been in place for one general election. Alex seemed to think that it was just the way it has been here for a long time which seemed ignorant. It probably wasn't that big a problem in the first place if Alex wasn't aware of it only recently being changed. Or maybe he just doesn't follow UK politics deeply.
Agreed on all ID not being equally valid, but it was decided that Oyster cards for people over the age of 60 would be considered valid ID for voting, but the same card for a younger co-hort would not be valid, which feels strange. Also Jacob Rees-Mogg admitted that it was an attempt to gerrymander the electoral process.
Anyway, the main point I was trying to make was around it being a new development in the UK that Alex didn't seem to be aware of.
There is literally no voter fraud of any impact in the UK.
Alex and Destiny are a good duo great listing to them
Destiny is a ghoul though...
@@polarxes Yes, but an interesting one
@@polarxes whats a ghoul? Haha
@@E11or a ghoul is someone who doesn't agree with what you believe in I guess
@ hmm okay i see your point
I used to like Destiny. He no longer debates on substance, but on rhetoric, all while blaming the conservatives. "They started it." This is essential to Democracy, to dialog: faith in the sincerity of others.
Yes, and the principle "might is right" fits him well.
How does he not debate on substance?
@@NeutronFTW because he doesn't care what other people say. He's presenting an image, not engaging authentically. At least, that's what I've heard the last few times I've listened to him.
@@jasonsomers8224can you name the debates you listen too? I listen to all his debates and watch his live streams where he picks up all his information on documents, and soucres, and studies
He’s a manchild who happens to be really good a debating. If he was capable of maturing he could do great things
Wait a second. Alex is actually a really good interviewer. I've watched in the past because I enjoyed his content and perspective, but I'm noticing that hes genuinely become quite skilled as an interlocutor, guiding a conversation without railroading it. Bravo.
I think he kinda took it too easy on this guy though.
@@Zangelin He let Destiny alienate viewers with his own vitriol.
Alex to the best approach possible with Destiny. Just let him yell.
People will make their own mind up from the rude yelling.
He listens well and asks good questions. That why Alex is class. He actually tries to honestly understand you rather than labelling you and from their conversations get good
People being so sensitive about vitirol are pathetic. Where have you been the last 40 years?
The "who is this for" question: me, at least for a few years. I was fully bought in to Tim Poole and Dave Rubin as centrists when the IDW was being created and reaching it's peak in popularity. They may have been slightly more centrist then, but even then they basically only talked about crazy, wrong, or upsetting things that the left had just done. I had come from a very conservative background, but didn't care much about politics at the time. If I had to speculate and generalize, it's for the apathetic and underinformed to convince them that they are well informed because they listen to "centrists".
So true!
@@aelfgernon7729 interesting take. My family was quite left leaning but I still was slightly bought into the centrist shit. Then I really thought about it and talked to enough people and realized I’m not centrist, I just didn’t like how the left was acting and let that deny my true values… which are pretty left wing. Just because SJW’s annoyed me didn’t mean I wasn’t left wing anymore, and luckily I never bought into any right wing shit (but I do think my dad helped a lot with that because he was a very respectable left winger who didn’t fit any leftist stereotypes of weak or reactive).
Bingo
I used to listen to Tim Pool & Dave Rubin a few years ago, then one morning I opened one of Tim's videos an in his usual, hyperbolic, panicked fashion, "SHOCKING, THIS JUST IN... THE LEFT IS AT IT AGAIN, THEY..." - and I decided then and there, that this was the last time I wanted to listen to this dumb ass's dumb ass. Rubin's bullshit devils advocate take on George Floyd was total crap as well. Alternate reality.
Oh also how about this for a laugh:
Republicans: Puerto Rico is a garbage island
Biden: You're garbage
Republicans: *stunned pikachu face*
I agree, and I was in a similar situation. I was raised conservative, but as I got older and more informed I started leaning further left, but I did not like the SJW and identity politics aspect of the far left at that time, so I kinda fell for the "centrist" BS of Tim Poole. I thought because he was "independent and centrist" and he spoke out about the crazy aspects of the far left it made him seem more rational and accurate. Luckily at some point I was able to see through it and realize he's basically just a grifter trying to paint the entire left and all liberals as crazy when in reality, American liberals are actually pretty moderate compared to the far left. Now it's kinda hard to describe anybody as centrist because they kind of ruined that terminology lol.
The pretend neutrals are the worst
And this comment section is filled with them, compleet Weimar Republic style centrists.
In the words of Zack Branigan, what makes a man go neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality!
Yes, like Triggernometry. I hate watching them, but sometimes check them out.
@@jonny6man The pseudo intellectual and destiny are more of your taste?😂
@jocee2257 Are you saying Alex is pseudointellectial? I did enjoy this video. Also, did you listen to what Destiny said about people claiming to be central for looks? If rather listen to people who don't do that, yes. Are you trying to say those hosts really are centrists?
I've never listened to Destiny before, but I can say I dislike his attitude and sense of decorum without even taking a look at his political stances.
Wow this interview aged like milk
Aged? It's been two weeks... what are you, a goldfish?
Milk goes bad in 2 weeks lol what are you crying about
No one cares little bro
@@nicholascoamey you do
@@yeshuat1399 stay out of this kid
I just woke up and immediately saw this. Never seen this channel before but I’m already very invested
It’s a good channel
Very good channel on philosophy, I've watched it since the beginning, basically matured with Alex along the way
Run
This is the man who got Jordan Peterson and Richard Dawkins to actually have a discussion 1 on 1
it was a good channel before but with the mustache it's now exceptional.
Reporter: If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make child care affordable? And if so, what specific piece of legislation will you advance?
Trump: "Well, I would do that. And we’re sitting down - you know, I was somebody - we had - Sen. Marco Rubio and my daughter Ivanka were so impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that - because, look, child care is child care. It’s - couldn’t - you know, it’s something - you have to have it. In this country, you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to, but they’ll get used to it very quickly - and it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care. That - it’s going to take care - we’re going to have - I - I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country. Because I have to say with child care - I want to stay with child care - but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just - that I just told you about. We’re going to be taking in trillions of dollars. And as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it’s, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’ll be taking in. We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world. Let’s help other people, but we’re going to take care of our country first. This is about America first, it’s about Make America Great Again. We have to do it because right now we’re a failing nation. So we’ll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question."
Rambling bullshit.
He's a stable genius with High IQ, unlike low-iq CommyLa ! Yu are just upset that his bigly rant went so well
Same thing with Kamala.. “I was raised in the middle class”
@@LuciferjbNot even close, dude. Try again.
Harris: “I’ve spent my entire career fighting for the health, safety, and wellbeing of families in America. And as District Attorney of San Francisco, I focused on crimes against women and children. As Attorney General of California, I established the Bureau of Children’s Justice within the California Department of Justice. And as a United States senator, I led a bill to align school hours with work hours, to expand after-school and summer programs, and I fought to guarantee paid leave for families, in particular parents and caregivers.
I strongly believe that when we lift up the status and the economic status of families, we lift up the economic status of communities. Our entire economy and our entire nation benefits as a result.
Since day one, President Biden and I have worked to strengthen and expand access to affordable, high-quality childcare. Shortly after we took office, 10 million children benefited when we helped over 200,000 childcare providers stay open or reopen. And we have required semiconductor manufacturers receiving funding through the CHIPS bill to provide affordable childcare to their workers.
As we think about new industries, as we create new industries and strengthen our economy, the President and I are committed to ensuring that the workers who will fuel that growth are supported in every way, including their need for affordable childcare. And we will continue to bring down the costs.
And the President’s budget, in addition, would cap childcare costs for a typical family at $10 per day - $10 per day - and support free, high-quality preschool for all four-year-olds.”
July 11, 2023, WH.gov
@@theethanatorem she didn’t say any of that ever.. guaranteed her team wrote that for her if not AI. Trump is recorded on video speaking on the fly with no teleprompters. It’s not good all the time but it’s raw and real. Every single one of Kamala’s interviews is 80 percent teleprompter and like 20 percent on the fly.
@@theethanatoremThank you 🩵
The thing I like about Alex’s interviewing style is he will make sure that the argument the interviewee is arguing against is presented in good faith. If the interviewee argues against a straw man or maybe a misrepresentation or poorly strung together version of the argument, Alex will present the good faith version to ensure the interviewee is fleshing out their critique to its fullest extent. An excellent principle to follow
Yeah, don't get Destiny back on. The dude doesn't really have anything of value to say. He is a charisma void and he is generally unwilling to reflect on his own words or actions even when it is demonstrated to him directly that he's wrong/inconsistent.
Just a generally unsavoury and unlikable person.
lol
You inconsistently apply your standards to people who don't agree with your political views. Don't see your criticizing trump who has made statements that are just as bad or worse.
tru
He's a pro genocide apologist too but it's actually even more sad and cynical because hes basically a sophist talking point memorizer
You speak the truth
Amazed that Alex missed the recent UK controversy over voter ID: last GE was the first one it was required; IDs for pensioners all valid, those for students all not; Jacob Rees Mogg acknowledged it was an attempt at gerrymandering. Where were you Alex?
Thank you for mentioning this, I find Alex's lack of preparation for discussing political topics to be quite sad honestly. He should know, he was literally able to vote in 2019 without ID! I very much get the feeling that he doesn't recognise how out of his depth he is on political topics, much in the way he didn't recognise it in his videos on religion before going to university. Same mistake over again.
I'm usually a big Alex fan but I'm halfway through his bit on voter ID and I had to check the comments as I started to doubt myself that I didn't need any form of ID to vote until the last election! I thought I might have dreamt it all. Also, voter fraud has been proven over and over to be a non- issue, so why is he spending so much time on it?
People miss things, I read a lot of news but still feel like I'm living under a rock sometimes.
He's probably a busy guy and I get the impression that he himself isn't really submerged in the political sphere even though he toughes on such topics and talks to people who are. I feel we all do well to allow ourselves and others some latitude, wouldn't you agree?
Typical conservative mindset, take a tiny problem that affected about a few dozen votes and replace with a problem that affected about a million votes 😂
@@jacobthelander6022 Sure, he may not be following in depth all the news that's happening, but has he voted at all in the UK? Until this year's election, no ID was required
Thanks Alex, this was an important one. I'm glad you allowed Steven to make his point, while providing feedback/pushback that felt fair and intuitive.
As denizens of the Internet, the US election feels very high stake to pretty much all of us, and I think it's a great thing you released this ahead of Nov. 5th.
No matter who wins, there will be violence. The Divided States of America are very close to total collapse.
Most don't know who pays the Trump China tarrifs. US businesses do. They then add their additional 33% additional costs to the retail price to you and me. Then gave the rich a 14% permanent tax cut to the rich.
Tarrifs are a tax on the importer, not the exporter. The tax goes to the US govt. This is entry level knowledge of trade.
lol none of his pushback was relevant
It’s just more rightoids saying “yeah but when lefties are mean isn’t that bad? No I won’t acknowledge right wing pundits literally lie wholesale on a regular basis.”
Important? Lmao Destiny is nothing but a huge cuck that's angry that he can't keep a woman without having an open relationship 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@WayOfTheZombie Destiny is smart, I just can't look up to a man who gets pegged
The host is desperately trying to bait Destiny into admitting he's human and has feelings.
Trying to get him to realise Destiny is a girl's name.
@Phlebas99 it's a hookers name
Destiny is a narcissistic sociopath leaning person with an abusive upbringing.
I learned this from when he was debating veganism.
I don't see why people like him aside from the fact that he puts people down to argue which a lot of people love.
@@Phlebas99BETA
Destiny seems unhinged.
He is , typical American on strong mood meds. He is one of those people who is online too much and seems to have a very limited moral code
What an incredible interviewer, the questions Alex asked were fantastic. They were thought provoking and engaging and really dug down to the core of the topic in an honest way. It's truly a skill to be able to ask challenging questions to your guest in a good faith way that digs down even further. I could listen to these go back and forth all day. Keep it up Alex!
It’s honestly so weird to watch Alex talk about his own country and get it sooooo wrong
Voter id was a debate in 2023!!!!
Alex lives and was born in a country called Britain - the voter ID debate happened in a country called the USA! 😉 Notice that British accent? You're welcome!
@@dhammaboy1203haha are you British? It absolutely was a debate in the UK until 2023. The former Prime Minister who brought the law in even forgot to bring his ID because the policy was so new
@@dhammaboy1203 Embarassing comment lol
@@dhammaboy1203 The smarmy arrogance of this comment is ridiculous considering how dumbfoundedly wrong you are.
@@dhammaboy1203"...a country called Britain..."
You thick c*nt.
I disagree with Destiny's take on being mean. I can see how it can be effective in the short term in riling people up who already agree with you. However, it is a self-destructive strategy in the long term.
You will never win over anyone from the other side, you will alienate everyone who is undecided, moderate, or a new voter, as well as make many people on your side uncomfortable and possibly abandon you because they don't want to be associated with someone who is so mean.
I think Lex Friedman is naive about politics, but he is correct in the long term. In the long term it is always a better strategy to be loving and charitable. That brings people together in a sustainable way, it makes it much more likely for those in the middle to side with you, it doesn't alienate anyone, and it also makes those who disagree with you to respect you and makes it possible to sway some of them. And as a bonus, you won't be an immoral jerk.
Spot on!
everything destiny does is a way to rationalize his own behavior. he claims it's good to be mean only because it feels good to him. he's never had a moment of honest self reflection in his life.
Wellll...I want to agree.
This is a RUclips comment section, so I won't go crazy hard into my POV, since it's a waste of time for me and you. Being angry/mean and aggressive is how Conservatives have been for 7+ years, from my experience.
They have not STALLED ONE BIT, in their growth. I wish for a better world where people who were kind could both afford to be, and also get a win out of it, but this is no fairy tale. Angry People get together a lot, and are wayyy stronger than a group of hippies whom don't really "Fight", for "better" change.
Again, no hate towards you or your pov, it is just unrealistic since human nature fights that very thought of yours.
You can say all that but you are just wrong. Donald Trump has won two elections after getting popular by giving mean nicknames to other politicians. He still does that with tons of personal attacks and still people will say that you need to be nice to them. It's obviously not working. I hear people repeat fake insults from Republicans that are supposedly moderate.
@@ShepherdSean you only see conservatives in that way because your interacting with the internet when it comes to politics. Not real life people who are just living their lives an vote conservative
This guy is a lunatic.
I’m confused by Alex’s remarks on voter ID in the UK. I’ve lived in the UK all my life and the requirement to show ID was brought in VERY recently, literally in advance of the last general election. I agree it’s nowhere near as controversial here as in the US, but Alex is acting like the very idea of not having to show ID is incomprehensible to a British person - but it was the case until very recently. Genuinely confused.
It demonstrates he simply can’t have been following British politics at all and must not have voted in 2019 when he had the opportunity or ever spoke to his parents about voting
Alex must be very young and must’ve of just started voting last election imo he shouldn’t be speaking on the topic of voting and elections
@ it’s hilarious that he says like five times “this is so crazy” and yet he’s so ignorant of the UK history on this
@@MichaelX-gq3hp I knew he was a good bit younger than me, and I don’t think he’s generally as smart about politics as he is about philosophy and religion, but it’s a surprise that he’s seemingly actually uninformed on this. I’m happy for him to talk about politics and elections, but I am gonna take it with a pinch of salt.
Classic Alex, studied Theology yet tries to wade into areas beyond his expertise. (which isn't problematic in itself, I'm a generalist, until you get things wrong thinking you're correct, because you are smarter on other subjects.)
getting matt walsh ads during destiny and alex oconnor videos is just funny to me.
YT algo is cooked.
I can now confirm all the back and forth of "why did you have Destiny on?" was BEFORE anyone watched this episode, because god damn, Alex went at him for the Twitter comments.
"You're not talking to them, you're talking to me." -Alex
This discourse is great. You are allowed to have mixed opinions about people, their words, and their actions.
7:39 this whole segment is so insightful
The transatlantic special relationship is alive and well! Quintessential British vs American rhetorical style and presentation, but underneath, your brains seem to tick in similar ways. Fun convo! (from substack)
I wouldn't call a posh Brit "Quintessential British"
@@MeridianMindsetthe osh Brit is quintessentially british because indeed the biggest engagers are the south
Nor a methed out gritting his teeth and licking his lips cuck the quintessential American style
Being non partisan doesn't mean averaging between two sides. It means that you can evaluate ideas regardless of the side it comes from and consider them depending on what you think your country needs
He's not saying that what it is, he's saying that's what people often do when they say they they are being non-partisan
The problem is people can say they're "non-partisan" and think they're impartially assessing ideas from both sides, but that doesn't mean what they're doing is what they think they're doing.
that's what Destiny is saying at 8:45
@@camn9851 He is redefining the concept because he considers the actual concept utopic. So he resorts to generalization because he has an emotional attachment to a side.
@@cellowifynah op took destiny’s example of what it wasn’t and tried to repaint it as destiny’s ideal entirely ignoring all of his examples on why it’s not only not non-partisan by why it actually helps extreme ideas. He also described how people claim to be non partisan while functioning specifically for partisan beliefs
Alex we only had voter ID in the UK as of two years ago. People in the UK are very used to voting without ID, you are old enough to have done it yourself several times.
This is staggering to me!
That... makes it okay? The UK is the barometer now?
@@Mopark25 I made no claim as to whether it was good or not. I just find it odd how Alex was absolutely staggered "as an outsider" by a system that until two years ago his own country had.
I don't understand why this matter ?? like voting means anything in the UK. The Queen/King makes the final decision ?? But In a country like America where the president makes the final decision, it would be important that the people voting are citizens, no ? I am not into politics and don't know much but yeah, it is very weird that you don't need to provide identification when voting... wouldn't rigging votes not be super easy if every vote isn't identifiable to a citizen ?
Yes, we used to vote without photographic I.D. but we were always expected to present a polling card as a proof of electoral registration and identity/address.
Not ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
For the life of me I can't understand why people keep having Destiny on, unless it's just to dunk on him. He's the a leftist apologist on steroids. He gets out of depth so quickly but when he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, he just brushes off his ignorance and doubles down on his position. He has zero interest in learning from anyone else who has even a slightly different position from him. He's just an argumentative person, he has nothing interesting or compelling to say. He's a far leftist who can't see past his nose.
He gets people riled up, people engage with it more, but yea, he sucks.
The US not mandating IDs to vote is wild to any European, but having to PAY for your ID is even wilder.
The uk didn’t require Id verification
In the US we have to pay for everything. If you need an ambulance for an emergency you will get a huge bill in the mail. When I became a US citizen it cost me about $2000 just to file the paperwork and take a test.
What do you mean? ID costs like €80 in the Netherlands
Germany does not require ID to vote.
@@buurmeisje fr? I honestly thought it would be free in the entire EU. It's free in Poland.
Some important context that Destiny briefly mentioned during the voter ID segment is that most US states do actually require photo-ID when voting in-person but those that don't still require it when you REGISTER to vote. Then the poll workers verify if you're registered to vote, if you are at your correct polling location, and if you've already voted or not.
Genuine question, how do the poll workers verify you are registered to vote if no ID is required to show you are you?
@Antidote9 Name + Home Address. Usually made easier with your voter registration cards that's automatically mailed to you. If you lose it, you can take any ID to show them, but it isn't required.
And I know the question will come up, but every state also has methods that if someone does vote using your identity, you can cast a provisional ballot that will be held and override any vote that was used in your name, provided that it isn't separated from the envelope and cast beforehand.
Even if someone committed voter fraud in this way, they would need to produce a signature that matches previous signatures and hope it gets processed early. Perhaps this could happen in small numbers, but there's no way it could happen on a scale that would alter results without a huge paper trail that everyone could see.
The chances of commiting this fraud are increased with in person voting, but while polling centers don't have security cameras there are cameras outside of the buildings, if a large scale fraud was detected they could narrow down where and when these votes occured and see if the same people keep showing up. So in person voter fraud is harder to stop but far more riskier to commit
@@Antidote9 There is a database of registered voters that do in fact have the voter id, including signature match. You just don't want to hear that because everybody tells you there is none.
When you register to vote in the U.S., YOU NEED AN ID. It's not like no identification process happens. You also have to re-register if you move. It's not just a free for all.
Thanks for clarifying, Destiny described it really badly and Alex did speak clearly either. It is only this last year in the uk we've had to produce I.D. and that's so they could gerrymander!
Some locations don’t require you prove you are a citizen. It is illegal for a non citizen to vote. A recent news report in New Mexico showed a non citizen received a voting ballot based on only checking a box. They reported it was a “glitch” that affected roughly 90,000 people. It’s not a stretch to see many blue states with similar “glitches” fraudulently influencing the election
It's different in each state. Because u can register to vote with proof of citizenship.
Who is this guy? He is everything the left needs! Amazingly straightforward, no sugarcoating!
We didn't have voter ID in UK general elections until this year. Is there something i'm missing from Alex's side?
How do you identify voters or make sure one person isn’t voting twice/is a citizen without ID? Not trying to make a political point, I’m genuinely curious about how that’s supposed to work?
@@Poshlly you vote at a designated polling station, when you are given a ballot, your name is removed from the list. Only one vote is allowed for that name.
@@BarryDiegoLondon-cy9ij What stops people from going to somebody else's designated polling station and voting in their name?
@@Poshlly After registering to vote with the authorities you were designated a polling station which is the only place were you can vote. When you arrived they scored your name from the list. So you could only vote once. Technically, someone could have pretend to be you and steal your vote but that was never really considered a problem as no one did it … ID wasn't needed as the UK used to be a high trust society … I'm guessing the US used to be too
@@Poshllythe electoral register ensures that only citizens / residents of that constituency get to vote, and only once. Impersonating someone on the register will only work if that person hasn't voted yet and is VERY likely to be discovered when they attempt to. If you get lucky and impersonate someone that doesn't bother to vote, you've successfully stolen... 1 vote. As a method of stealing an election it's extraordinarily ineffective: imagine how many thousands of people you would need to recruit to affect the result, and how vanishingly unlikely such a scheme would not be noticed. Consequently it hardly ever happened. More Tory MPs were prosecuted for SA than voters prosecuted for that kind of voter fraud.
The CDC is not allowed to study the subject of firearm deaths via the Dickey amendment which prohibits the Federal government from studying or advocating anything that might lead to gun control. It states this rather explicitly.
@@ggunnelspct This is factually wrong. The CDC tracks firearm deaths and they even track them by type of death and the profile of the people who commit the crime or die because of the crime. Posting data related to gun deaths is not "advocating for a type of gun control" and is not subject to whatever amendment you're talking about. The CDC is an executive agency, they just repost FBI death statistics, which are already publicly available. If this was the case, NO agency would be able to post firearm related data. Which is obviously false.
Shall not be infringed*
@@swickens930 There is a difference between re-posting data, and creating/publishing studies. They can research any number of health or drug related issues and present studies that provide support for or against certain policies. They can't do it with firearms which is the problem.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Tbh I don't really see that as much of a problem though. It's actually a pretty simple problem. The United States is the safest place on the planet and we all have guns and we have almost no gun deaths. BUT, one demographic skews that entire metric and one demographic is SOLELY responsible for any negative data related to gun deaths. That's it, end of story, it's that simple. If said demographic stopped committing gun violence, the USA would immediately jump to somewhere around the top 3 safest places on the planet and we'd have some of the lowest rates of gun crime on the planet. You don't need studies to find that conclusion you only need data.
@@swickens930So what do you think is the cause of this specific demographic committing so much gun violence?
As someone who lives in California, you have to register to vote months before the election period starts or else you can’t vote. The registration makes you verify a ton of information to make sure you live in California, that you are and have been a US citizen, confirm your address with government issued mail to prove it etc.
If and when you choose to vote, you walk up and verify that you’ve pre-registered. They look you up to make sure you are registered and haven’t voted before. If you’re all clear then you get a ballot.
I can’t speak for other states but California has the equivalent of a voter ID, but purely digital.
And it is illegal to check the identity of people when they go to vote…
Wish Destiny has brought this up to Alex, because Alex makes it seems like everyone just walks up on a voting day and just vote.
This is not true. You can still register the day of, but it's at least a 20-minute process. Instead of a 2-minute wait to verify your info. And signature.
@ yeah u can register the day of, u just need to bring government mail, an ID and possibly social security number depending on the county. that’s why officials stress registering early but if u have to do same day, then come early
@irenegrene488 Wrong again, it's not required to vote. You just need to fill out paperwork that has your info, like ss, date of birth, current address, and full name, & party preference. No ID requirement, at least in my county. The form they fill out acts as an ID. If they choose to offer their ID, it makes the process faster and more accurate, but they are allowed to refuse ID. However, the electronic system will give a provisional paper ballet, which is determined valid by the counting clerks. At least, that's how my county works. We are discouraged to ask for ID.
I like destiny and watch his videos, but alex was right about his comments on the fire fighter, destinys only response is essentially "but conservatives did it so I shouldnt have to apologize", common sense should tell you that two wrongs dont make a right, and alex is right he should lead by example, when the average person sees him saying things like that all they think is "wow what a crazy person" and immediately disregard anything he has to say
This "scorched earth" path he is on is never going to further his message with the average voter, Alex destroyed him in that part and is completely right, it is not and never will be an effective political tactic, anyone with common sense can see that
alex, we've only had voter ID in the UK since 2022. before then, it worked the same as how it did in america (you walk in and confirm your name and address).
i have never once voted in germany without prior identification by my "Personalausweis" or ID in that lingo. You need it for booze, if you look underage, or anything official. How is that considered strange anywhere else?
@@Dvnllnvg it's strange if there is ANY barrier to actually getting the ID. that's what a lot of republicans want, and what a lot of tories in the UK wanted (the list of ID you can use to vote isn't exhaustive here, and still resulted in some people getting turned away). if there was a form of ID given to every citizen for free, maybe it would be okay, but that's not always the case
people need to prove they are allowed to vote. its pretty simple. this whole voter ID is such nonsense. if you want to vote then present your US passport. anything else like driver's license makes no sense since non citizens can get those.
@@maxdougherty3429getting a passport is a huge pain in the ass, why not just use your social security card
@@maxdougherty3429 A passport is another barrier though, not everyone travels and has a need to procure one
CDC wasn't explicitly prevented from firearm research, but interpreted the Dickey Ammendment as such and avoided that research from 1997-2018. In 2018 congress clarified that the CDC could research firearm violence and later specifically earmarked money for it.
If you need millions of immigrants in a short period, why don’t you accept them through legal process? Why? Don’t you have to abide by law?
Trust me, there are a lot of people who want the immigration system of the US to change. If you wanna know, my honest opinion, the only reason we even have an immigration system in the US is because a bunch of white people didn’t want a bunch of Asian immigrants coming over. Even the Irish weren’t good enough for these people. They were so terrified of non-white immigrants changing the culture of the United States that they created probably one of the most draconian immigration laws to prevent it from happening.
Because the legal process is intentionally obtuse and doesn't provide for the proper volume to accomplish future economic issues. Washington doesn't want to streamline it or make it easier either.
@@fvw1187it shouldn’t be easy, this is not a a free for all field anyone can run on, this is one of the greatest countries on earth and should be the hardest country to get into in the world, not impossible, but for sure difficult, and my family were denied permanent status within the states as Canadians through e2
@@SuCCeSSvS super cringe. Greatest country in earth?!? Wow. For who? White upper middle class with college degrees mostly. Everyone else can either sign up as cannon fodder in the middle east or pick beans living in hotels with 10 of their family members. I'm exaggerating but the point is salient. It's not great for a lot of people and it will get worse if we don't increase our tax base. Immigration is an obvious solution to that.
@@SuCCeSSvSMassive difference between difficulty as in high set of standards vs difficulty as in intentionally obtuse and ineffective out of sheer spite. JP immigration is hard but its because they set the bar high, not because they're just xenophobic.
He justified so so so many things by saying “well other people do it/don’t do it, so why should/shouldnt I?”. Guys. Don’t live like him. Follow the truth, but don’t sacrifice virtue in the process.
You’re misrepresenting the argument. The left has held itself to a higher standard of honesty and decency and it has gained nothing for it. Younger generations continue leaning more right wing and less liberal from past elections. I think there’s some truth to it that being mean and mocking others bolsters morale, and imo liberals have been way too dispassionate lately. He does believe there are benefits to being mean, and when you’re getting absolutely throttled by a wanna be king who’s so obviously unhinged and no one cares, perhaps it’s time to get off the high horse and start playing at their level. Republican news comes out again and again as lying, or consorting with others or spreading misinformation and yet they get no punishments. This cannot go on. In WW1 countless men died as cannon fodder to the new machinery, we don’t need to waste like that if the other side is happy building trenches.
Politics is all about compromise though. If one side is giving themselves an advantage while bending the rules, there's no virtue in going down on that ship.
My trans boyfriend is going to have a really hard time in this new administration, and I'm scared. I wish democrats would have used more effective mud-slinging to protect him.
Regarding Facebook/Meta and Zuckerberg. As an individual it's indeed (nearly) impossible to be non partisan. As a platform, it's very possible. In this case it means freedom of speech for both sides and everything in between. Let the Democrats post what they want. Let the Republicans do the same. No intervention up until the point of violating laws. Isn't that what being non partisan means?
Love both of these guys! Would love to see another conversation between the two of you in the future.
Eric Weinstein is a Democrat and he told Piers Morgan he can find no reason to vote for Kamala. He also talked about issues with the 2020 election, so I'd love to see a conversation between him and Destiny.
@@FinalFantasyXDen-br4to Eric Weinstein is a Democrat in the same way that Trump is a Democrat. Ever since he fell down the pseudoscience grift rabbit hole he knows his audience and paycheck comes from satiating his right-wing followers.
Didn’t Destiny’s wife leave him for a guy he let her sleep with though?
These dudes are polar opposites. One has morality, the other is completely void of it.
One pretends to have...
Why do people keep bringing destiny to speak about anything. This dude is not some expert, he's not an authority on any subject, yet people want his opinion.
Remember - Destiny isn’t upset that he can’t express his own opinion on X - he’s upset that other people can express theirs.
Actually the principle criticism was the lack of truth & fact in discourse, regardless of whatever opinion someone may have
@@leebarbs7176 He is incredibly biased, if you take his word on this subject, you are naive.
Racism, hate speech = opinion
I don't think that's what he's upset about at all. Without judgement, I think you've misunderstood him
26:18 and 28:48
He's upset at the misinformation wildfire that's burned through twitter and demolished our political discourse. People don't agree on really important and easily verifiable things, such as whether the previous election was "rigged." Last I saw, 70% of US republicans believed in "the big lie."
Whatever your belief is, that's a huge split on an important issue. If we can't create digital spaces that remedy this, we're cooked.
@@jenispizz2556 He is mad about it because he thinks that is why the election was lost. The answer to this particular issue is to have the most secure elections possible. Dumb people will always believe dumb shit on both sides, because they want to. I dont need a internet nanny, I care more about free expression, even if its something others consider wrong or bad.
Alex, we've only needed ID to vote in the UK since May 2023; 3.2% of people surveyed by 'More In Common' after that vote stated they were turned away at least once as a result of this. So you were correct that you were speaking from ignorance about that.
I thought I was going crazy listening to that part. I cant fathom how an intelligent, educated, and more importantly BRITISH, guy like him wouldn’t know that. I was so baffled that I thought maybe I misunderstood what he was saying.
This bit made me think Alex hasn't voted before!
@@BarrybeastmodeIf he's so nakedly wrong on that, maybe it should call into question how actually intelligent he is?
@@Revan058 what was he wrong about?
@@Barrybeastmode He was wrong to imply the UK has always required ID... We've only had an ID requirement to vote since 2022, and the 2024 General Election was the first to require ID.
I can't stand Destiny. He has the worst opinions and is so arrogant.
Like what opinion in particular?
@@MMAGamblingTips calling anything he disagrees with disinformation instead of engaging with the facts..Look how easily he is owned by right wingers as soon as he is pushed on his disinformation rhetoric.. watch him debate with Rob Noer and Andrew Wilson, destiny runs like a little girl.
@@MMAGamblingTips well what he said about musk having 97 iq is insane.
@@armmaniac7Elon Musk is a fraud and stupid as shit though
I appreciate a lot of Destiny’s points on policy, but his view of the political perspectives doesn’t make sense to me. I consider myself center-right, primarily economically. I’m pretty indifferent on social stances.
He says that most “centralists” aren’t actually centralists, but are pretending to be centralists for the aesthetic and believe *a plethora of bs that MAYBE my crazy aunt believes*. Then he goes on to say all conservatives are low IQ. I don’t see how this is any different than lazy MAGAers that just say “All the libs are soft.”
I don’t think global warming is a hoax, or the vaccine is going to kill everyone. Does that make me a liberal or a completely incompetent Trumper? I think Alex has a good point in highlighting the hypocrisy of lazy name calling. And that Destiny’s approach is just as unhelpful as any ‘MAGA scream in your face individual.’
The left populous is the scream in your face type - the MAGA right populous is pretty much anything anti establishment
I think Destiny's perspective is warped by his social media usage. The centrists he talk about are the major influencers he listed. In real life many people who are centrists are more like you.
The right are objectively lower iq than the left; there’s a reason why the higher-educated overwhelmingly vote left. Just look at trumps campaign; his ‘economic policy’ is tariffs, something he claims will bring inflation down. Meanwhile, every economist (or honestly anyone who’s done econ 101) understands that tariffs are inflationary, and that it is the American people who will foot the majority of the bill.
You have to be stupid to vote for Trump. There is legitimately nothing else to add there. America has a serious education problem.
@@MrFinnishbasterdif you vote Trump you are not a centrist. No centrist could look at the actions of Trump taken to undermine the democratic process on Jan 6th and ever consider voting for him. No centrist see his totally ridiculous economic policy and vote for him. No centrist could look at his comments regarding deporting 11 million people and vote for him.
@@MrFinnishbasterd Being chronically online and Amphetamines.
This didn't age well, thankfully
Destiny: If unhinged was a person
Care to specify what he got wrong, or are you content to snipe with hollow criticism, coward?
Yes, we bring up voter ID to prohibit a particular type of person....non citizens duh
Desmond Tutu said: "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." That is why stating you are neutral or non-partizan, then you are indirectly choosing the side of the oppressor.
Being objective ≠ being Neutral
@@Griot.7294 One side is always objectively right, while the other is objectively wrong. Which side is objectively right and objectively wrong changes depending on the situation, but there is no situation I can possibly imagine in all of history in which both sides were equally right or equally wrong. You can't be objective and also be neutral or nonpartisan
This cannot be a universal policy, even this has to be applied in wisdom.
Morality and injustice are not universal concepts. They change as you move from one society to another and can be bent to suit the needs of the proponent.
@@awhryanhow can you be partisan and objective? “Being partisan” means you agree with a given party, despite the facts. It’s mutually exclusive with being objective, focusing only on the facts. More, how can you *not* be neutral? For example, both parties support Israel fully in it’s attack on Gaza, which has already killed tens of thousands and that’s mostly women and children, not soliders. How can you not be neutral, i.e. not support either side? Or are you willing to ignore that in favour of either party due to personal reasons, therefore becoming unobjective?
@@Swatotastic I look at the Israel situation the same way I do most things now regarding politics, whichever side is better on the issue is the one I support. The Democrats are at least willing to try to appeal to Palestine supporters, with Bernie sanders outright condemning Israel and Harris supporting a ceasefire, compared to trump who has outright said he wants Palestine to be destroyed. There is one side in this situation who is obviously better
Jesus, Destiny's vitriol is palpable. This line of thinking is why the fissure between the two sides is intractable. And Ill condemn it on both sides.
Reality is the moral and factual foundations of both sides are irreconcilable.
As much as you may wish to bring both sides together, that only works if there is common unifying element between them' instead each side not only believes they live in a completely different world but their opponent is evil.
Destiny is the reactionary result of years of conservative propaganda in the United States. I empathize with his frustration but as you point out his tirades only strengthen the national divide. There is a large amount of our electorate that no longer listens to reason. We must find better ways to illustrate to them they are not voting in their best interest.
@@blackaua I would probably say that letting 9 year olds try to transition to another sex, and the weird outgroup preference they have is at odd with a lot of people. I mean, the far right has religion I guess, but I still think the left is far worse, but I lean right, I guess that makes sense.
I disagree. Democrats have been bending over backwards to appease Republicans for over a decade.
It's not working for us at all. Republicans view us as more extreme despite how much we've moved on economic and immigration issues.
The division in our society is from the internet and terrible Republican leadership. Last I checked, 70% of Republicans believed the last election was stolen.
They believe that because Trump said so, and their media outlets uncritically amplify that. FOX lost one of the biggest defamation cases in history intentionally spreading misinfo about the election, and were not punished with decreased viewership.
Bridge building is good, but you can't build a bridge to fantasy land. We need to use the most effective tactics to win elections, and then FORCE republicans to come back to the real world and participate healthily.
They have an advantage in elections considering their cult like Trump following. We have to find a way to overcome.
Destiny isn’t a good person.
You're jealous
Destiny is a great person - Trump is not a good person
@@jeeplvr2000 actually he’s right.
Destiny is such a weak person. Physically and mentally
"IQ" was mentioned about 10 times in this interview. @CosmicSkeptic I would love to see an interview with an expert on the subject... or a deep dive on the history and current research on "IQ" as a concept. I cringe a little any time I hear someone mention "IQ". I'd be a little disappointed if human intelligence could be reduced to a single dimension.
Speaking into the void, my friend.
Anyone willing to watch Destiny with serious intent at this point is certainly a character with a "low IQ" (by the logic of the common human of today) or just looking for some entertainment.
...Or...digging into the comments to see if there's anything worth noting, whether humorous or serious...the masses as a collective are slow to catch up.
Thanks for the reinforcement of knowledge though!
I have become sceptical about the IQ argument when I looked deeper into the topic of motivated reasoning.
Intelligent people are really good at reasoning.
This means they are highly efficient at arguing towards wherever their biases push them. Even awareness about some of ones own biases cant deactivate them. Were always being influenced by our tribal nature.
@@spenarkley You were onto something at first, but then you basically said intelligent people can't deactivate their biases and I don't believe that. I think the most intelligent are capable of it and even combat their own biases and change their biases when necessary for intellectual advancement.
However, you also could be right depending on what you're including in your definition of "intelligence". If you're not including willpower, then perhaps you are right (for some intelligent people). Willpower is more important than intelligence, in my opinion, because it drives you to your intelligence and then drives your intelligence itself to higher calibers. I guess they kind of correspond to each other in some way.
Your IQ result is accurate probably, but only during the specific time you take the test (maybe for a small threshold of time) and only in regard to the values you are inputting, right? For example, you can be really good at figuring out what shapes are different or out of shape, blah blah, but that doesn't mean when you go into a forest with a bunch of trees that you will see the patterns you need to distinguish them from each other. Although you would like to assume/believe someone who could figure out shapes so easily would have much more potential to distinguish said trees.
There are just too many dynamics and external factors that vary and change so often to calculate to get an absolute measurement of someone's brain power. So, IQ can be somewhat of an indicator, but it's not a solid dependable measurement.
The best analogy I can think of at the top of my head is that someone's IQ is like seeing the shape of the Earth from afar. Your IQ is round, warm, and blue they would say...but if you are technical and get close enough, you will see your IQ is far from round, has many temperatures, and not just blue...
Yeah, instant turn off to me.. "below 90 iq individual" makes you sound.... like a 14 yo boy? Also liberal use of the word retarded goes against my british values.... just say cunt
Great convo guys, it's always good to see two of the best minds on YT in the same room
"Best Minds"? LOL!
@@JEREMY99218 stay upsettie
I'd consider Alex to be a budding great mind with a wonderful trajectory. Destiny? I'm not so sure. The man currently lacks humility, in my eyes, which is a profound character flaw for any aspiring intellectual.
its very hard listening to destiny because he doesnt seem like a person that can genuinely talk about a serious problem because he immidiately gets very aggresive and emotional. i want to hear whats on his mind but this is just difficult to listen to. also him saying that he doesnt like the behaviour from the conservaties which intitles him to having the same bad behaviour and that he doesnt hold himself to higher standart since the coservatives dont neither just doenst really resonate with me. i would rather hear him trying to be better than the political ideology he hates. also him saying he shouldve been more rude when talking to ben shapiro and other conservatives kinda reflects on all of this and doesnt paint a really nice picture about his character. i think you should try to be better than the people you hate.
Take the tramscript and ask chat gpt to summarize it with bullet point to find his position make sure to ask it to cite the examples he's given.
He seems to still be on Twitter?
"There's nothing in the middle of the road but a yellow stripe and dead armadillos." - Jim Hightower
Do Alex o connor fans just, type out quotes in comment sections?
This is high level intellect.
I suspect most armadillos generally get killed in the lane, where the cars are.
@@martin2289 🔥🔥🔥
there are no cars in westeros what are you on about
@MiKey-cj2fo Yes. They are much less whiny than Destiny fans.
It bothers me that this guy thinks that Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Ben Shapiro, Candice Owens and Dave Rubin speak for conservatives. I personally don’t listen to any of them and can’t stand 3/4 of them, although I do tune in to Ben Shapiro occasionally just to see what he’s been saying now and then. Generally I find him to be a bit much. This guy is discounting a large number of Quiet Conservatives, that aren’t interested in buying into the political hysteria of our time, don’t think the earth is flat and do think the J6 rioters were a bunch of hillbillies. I mean, the horned Qanon shaman, give us a break…
The problem is they (the hysterical conservatives along with the help of the extreme liberals who love to give these clowns preference) have won. Reasonable Republicans like John McCain and mitt Romney are gone. They are no more. This new breed has the wheel and throws any dissenting conservatives over board.
Unfortunately those people speak for the larger percentage of conservatives...
Ben Shapiro doesn’t think the earth is flat and besides that. is Jan 6 the only thing you disagree with?
@@SimplyStrength043 A complete non sequitur. Learn to read and lay off the juice.
@@wattlebough what is a quit conservative?
I have never listened a more calm collected interviewer ever! No matter how emotional the interviewee got Alex just brought him back to the centre again!! Excellent!!
Whenever I hear Destiny describe his opposition… I’m honestly shocked at how he thinks morons in his comment section represent all of Conservatives. It all depends on how diverse your exposure to them are. The conservatives around me are completely capable of relational discussion and don’t believe in half the crap he thinks they do.
How do they feel about the Fake Electors Plot?
I appreciate Alex's pushing Destiny on the twitter comments. I think Destiny was out of line for saying the firefighter sort of had it coming because he was attending a Trump rally, its just a very petulantly extreme reaction, BUT Destiny stood by his comment (however insensitive) and didn't backpedal when confronted. And again, respect to Alex for doing the confronting and pushing for definitive answers and clarity.
Destiny gives definitive answers and clarity without being prompted, repeating himself in a fresh way is something he does when the person he’s speaking to can’t understand him the first time
@@leebliss3622 don’t stroke him too hard, you’ll chafe him!
Destiny doesn't backpedal on it but his audience sure does, you can literally show them the clip and they with RAGE at you that it was a joke, lmao.
Yeah, that was kind of a last straw for me when listening to destiny. You can be consistent in your thinking, but it doesn't help when you are wrong. Its was a pretty gross comment.
When you do/say something horrible it's honestly better to backpedal. It could have been a horrific but impulsive thought at the time but the fact that he stands by it says way more about his disgusting character.
I have been a pretty regular consumer of Destiny content over the course of the last 4 years or so. He is in a downward spiral of jadedness and his opinions are becoming too extreme for real moderates. He states that he hates progressives, but seems to be becoming his own brand of extremist. It was fun while it lasted, I guess.
On the Voter ID point, the UK didn’t start requiring it until 2023.
@@alexjones306 you always had to put personal information such as your national insurance number down and your address though.
@@Mikehowarth1988 I was only asked for my name and address at the actual booth
@@Mikehowarth1988 Nope - name and address only
@@jamiewoods33 really? Damn so easy to rig
2022.
Destiny lost all credibility trying to defend a genocide.
Hey Californian here, I voted earlier this week and the poll worker asked for my Drivers license so if there is a rule against asking for ID it is not being enforced.
😂😂😂 as it should be don't have an id don't vote
An ID, not a voter ID. There's a difference. People establish citizenship when they register. Voter ID is a ginned up, RW issue.
Checking IDs and verifying personal identity has always been a thing and is not what people are talking about when "voter ID" is being debated. Now you are beginning to understand why the push for voter ID laws are stupid.
@@briandash1351I was only told I needed to show a bill proving my address for registering first time in my state.
no, I brought out my ID and was told “we are not allowed to see ID”
It’s important to mention that you’ll only be allowed to vote in a specific area and you can’t go to some other place and vote twice. And if you ever do move states, well you’re required to tell the state you don’t longer live there and they’ll take you off the list, and if you don’t, your name will eventually be marked if you haven’t voted in a few elections and eventually taken off the list. That’s what voter purges are for
The biggest issue of voter ID is not just individuals cheating, it is the government cheating. Individuals can sway small local elections but large-scale cheating is always done at the behest of the ruling parties. Let's say someone is a registered voter where vote by mail is allowed. Government officials can check if the person has requested a ballot, request it for them, fill it, and count it. Sadly, every election expert now pretends as if vote by mail is a solid system, or that IDs are not required for voting, but if you go ten years back they all disagreed with these takes.
So who is going to get the name and address of someone, go to a poll and vote for that person, assume that person isnt going to vote (because they WILL check it to see if people voted twice) and risk multiple YEARS in jail, all to potentially get a single extra vote....... NOBODY FUCKING DOES THIS.
It's a right wing fantasy to flame the immigration fears to rile up their base.
Exactly, which is why despite repeated (especially in recent years) excess scrutiny and double-checking of all votes in US elections, no noteworthy amount of voter fraud has been found. The US system has proven itself by every metric to be highly fraud-resistant.
Still doesn't stop people from pushing any narrative which is convenient to them.
Right, it seems way easier and way less risky to just manipulate large swaths of people via social media into agreeing with you.
@@Mynameisntmegan even the closest state that Trump wanted was what, like ten thousand votes. Someone would have to organize with thousands, or lets just say hundreds of people who each find multiple people who wont vote, then steal their vote and vote for them. Then nobody would have to get caught then rat on anyone else in this plot. All to maybe swing one state with the risk years in prison for everyone. It's mind boggling that people think this is a current problem.
Execept there's fraud in every single election 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The only thing I ever notice from Destiny is that he thinks he has all the information and thus the answers. He never seems to be in a conversation to learn or reach new understanding but rather to bend the opponents will to his world view through cynicism and brushing them off as moronic.
I don't agree with Destiny's argument of using the same tactics as "the other side" on the basis that we would get the same morale boosts. In this case being mean. I think different strategies would better boost morale for the left, but they come at the cost of not demoralizing the other side. Many people may not resonate with Destiny's way of communicating because they understand the fallacy of group think, toxicity, close mindedness. Meaning, being mean, crude, aggressive and winning an argument or demoralizing your opposition doesn't automatically make you correct. There is an additional step for reasonable people to resonate with the argument in order to avoid bandwagon.
Tldr: strategies vary on "stat" boosts depending on the target. I dont believe far right argument strategies are very effective for reasonable people.
"I'm not even sure if Elon Musk can read English" lol
Racist attack on a immigrant
That is a very stupid statement, Destiny had to have said it.
Dude caught a rocket, AND made EV's popular to consumers lol. Can't be that stupid.
Yeah, he built rockets, electric cars and few other things, but nothing of that is comparable to Destiny's rage tweeting.
His dry delivery on a couple of those burns on Elon was hilarious.
I love Alex for being willing to bring on people he might disagree with for one reason or another. But I particularly loved this video, because I think we all feel like Destiny does sometimes. We're fed up with the bullshit, but Alex is possibly right that we should not become the very thing we hate others for. I feel Destiny is right to not take any shit from people in debates but he's wrong to say some of the things he does unprovoked on his social media. When provoked, sure, but not unless one has to do so. But that is just my opinion really.
I didn't know Alex before I stumbled on this video. Instant love. I'm not really aware of Destiny's online presence. In the context of this video, he really verbalized a lot of what I think myself. In a perfect world, politics in the USA should sound like Alex (I'm Canadian, so of course I prefer a nice conversation where both parties are searching the truth). But I kinda understand the need for the US to shutdown crackpots with a more agressive take like Destiny is doing. Really hoping MAGA ends with Trump and Republican can go back being "the adult in the room", managing finance and these things. The enemy from within is real: it is MAGA inside the Republican party
I love when you have Destiny on. You're a great interviewer, and you do an incredible job of challenging points without being insulting or demeaning, always worth a listen from me
Loved this conversation and love these two speakers. Both highly intelligent and quick-witted. Alex did a great job pressing Destiny on key things but still allowed him to speak his mind. Great conversation.
The glazing is crazy
@Niffunn You're allowed to feel that way lol. I just enjoyed their talk
@@DSTmune I am just confused that people see someone like destiny as intelligent, and not because of his political opinions but simply from a perspective of standarts for intelligence.
@@Niffunn If you're talking about his idiolect I get that. He comes off an a**hole because of his fast and rude remarks but it certainly doesn't make him stupid. I think Destiny is a kind of speaker that isn't necessary great at convincing people to like him, but he's usually right. He's fast and quick in conversations and comebacks, and spends a lot of time reading and researching what he believes in. I personally find him intelligent because of this but I understand why people don't agree and that's okay 👍
@DSTmune no his way of speaking mearly shows his lack of none traditional form of intelligence, but I was talking about the much more classical form.
Civilians cannot be traitors. thats american rhetoric. Civilians do not choose loyalty to a country. They just happen to be born there.
Would you also claim you have no obligations towards the society youre in?
@@leaslak2378not an obligation to a nation no.
But how can I falsely label my opponents then?
The confederates were traitors. Civilians that spy for other countries are traitors, people like Tim Pool that get paid by foreign actors against the interests of his country are traitors.
That's silly. Wouldn't you consider the insurrectionists who tried to protect slavery in the civil war as traitors?
Keen for this one. Alex making a shift from philosophy to politics?
I think he just gets people from a range of topics to talk to, with a consistent theme of ideas, philosophy, politics, culture etc.
@ballisticfish1212 Yeah, he's like Joe Rogan in that sense...minus the getting drunk/high all the time😂
Do you think they're two different things?
@@Skarslin he speaks to better people than Joe rogan too
@@kathleenmccrory9883 there’s an overlap for sure, but yes they’re different things. If you start trying to interchange those words, it’s going to make zero sense.
This guys wild, refuses to take accountability by saying no one else does, sounds very fulfilling, poor guy
I am an election worker in Kansas and we require voters to show a valid form of photo ID and state their current address. Alex, you essentially asked how we know if they are telling the truth? Voters in the US have to be registered before they can vote and election workers will have access to a list of the voters that are registered to vote at that polling location, and so we are checking the name and address against the entry in the registry. In some states if they don’t require a photo ID, they may just use a different form of verification like a voter registration card that the voter has to present to the election worker. If they don’t appear in the registry, then here in Kansas the law is that they vote a Provisional Ballot, which is exactly like a regular ballot in terms of what the voter has to vote on, but there is a lot more information that the voter is required to fill out. This info is used in the following weeks after election day to determine (usually by some sort of county commission) whether or not that individual’s ballot should be counted, and often they will reach out to the voter if information needs to be clarified.
Ur fat.
I watched scananavian conservatives fly to every American state without voter ID laws and vote Republican just to prove the point of how absurd this is
@@greenbeans7573you have a link to this crime?
Ben Shapiro along with every name he mentioned has repeatedly condemned political violence, Destiny is either ignorant or lying, doing the very things he condemns so strongly. I'm a conservative who actually liked Destiny because I found him to be more civil, now I'm rethinking that.
He choose to double down an it’s pushing him further down the rabbit hole
Yeah, Destiny is off the rails
I have no doubt if I ask you about Paul Pelosi you would tell me that was a gay hook up gone wrong.
Who cares what you're rethinking????
@@Zebrahhh More like snorting rails
Realistically, if you become the very thing you supposedly hate, how do you not expect that mentality and compromised morality to not permeate in the culture you're trying to build/maintain/protect?
I would agree with that. Perhaps Destiny's views are shaped by a materialistic egoistic and consequentialist moral framework, but as someone who prefers virtue ethics, I would say that there is something fundamentally wrong with becoming what one once opposed. Sure, there may be some situations in which we would have to take extreme actions, but I would argue that we need to keep raising the bar higher.
Steven seems to think that behaving morally while others fail to do so would be self-destructive. However, this need not be the case in every situation. For example, when the Muslim League and the Hindu Mahasabha were encouraging violence and hatred in the country, Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, and many other leaders of the Indian freedom struggle maintained their principles and refused to allow their degradation. Most of them remained committed to ahimsa and did not engage in dishonest sloganeering. And, in the end, thez succeeded. Had they not courageously preserved their virtues, there is a chance that the violence of the partition would have led to a full-fledged civil war and an irreversible fragmentation of India.
The following words of Mahatma Gandhi come to mind:
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."
-'The Essential Gandhi'
May you have a great day, friend! I hope that love and peace prevail in the world! 🙏☮️
how does he become the thing he hates? He hates people who are off the wall insane and lie all the time and doesn't even care about the concept of truth.
not being nice doesn't make him into any of those things.
Sounds to me like you are caught up on the aesthetic of ethics while the thing that actually matters (power) passes by you unnoticed.
@greenbeans7573 power without ethics results in corruption.
@@peacelove2994 Ethics without power results in corruption all the same
Every time he says "unhinged" he sounds unhinged