Review: Profitec GO Espresso Machine
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Review of the Profitec GO with performance test results. Based on the successful ECM Casa V, the Profitec GO features PID, external brew pressure adjustment, updated contemporary design, new body color and optional wood trim. Learn how to make an espresso based milk beverage start to finish on the machine.
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Chapters:
Introduction: 00:00
The Basics: 01:17
How to Make a Milk Drink: 02:50
PID Functions: 06:48
Performance Tests: 08:17
Internal Components: 10:35
In the Box/Wood Trim: 11:18
Final Thoughts: 11:45
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Holy smokes! Loads of info and even an in depth tutorial crammed into a 13 minute video. Beautiful machine, and the other colors are very nice too. Great video, Marc!
Hey Billy, Thanks for the kind comment. I don't always do how to make tutorials within machine overviews but thought it was important for this premium entry-level machine so newer users would understand the process of making a milk beverage on a single boiler machine.
Marc
Wow, someone at Profitec has been doing their homework. Adjustable pressure, proper drip tray, way to go! Quality machines at every reasonable price point.
Absolutely.
Hey rp, Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Marc
Hey Marc! Fantastic review! Thanks for the detailed info! Love the machine’s features!
Hey Claudio! You are welcome and thanks a whole latte for the comment!
Marc
Oh man, this is so GREAT! I’ve been waiting months for this machine.
Hey TJW, Glad you like it!
Marc
You present the absolute best reviews. Such a joy to watch with no awkward misinformations as with many other channels. Thanks for your efforts to the whole whole latte love team ;)
Hey B, Thanks a whole latte for the comment - it's appreciated!
Marc
Whoa, I have to echo Razorpit below. Great machine! This is moving to the top of my list of considerations.
Looking at this machine with my gaggia classic pro modded, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED FEW YEARS AGO
Best channel. Not just a buy my stuff. Educational, in depth reviews 🙏🏼
Hey WC, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
the Dial looks superb!
Lots of machine reviews/tutorials on RUclips, but Whole Latte Love sets the standard.
Glad you like them! Thanks a whole latte for the comment!
Marc
Reviews don’t come any better than this, even the internals are looked at. Much appreciated
“Hi jake, thanks for the comment!
I learned so much from this one video. Truly great information.
Hey ld, Happy to help and thanks for your comment!
Marc
Great video! There’s nothing like seeing a machine go through the motions like this. Seems like Profitec knocked it out of the park, too.
Hey 44, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Dear god. This is the perfect video for this machine. Subscribed.
Hey Dave, well thanks for the kind comment and subscribing!
Marc
Wonderful video! Super helpful, thank you☕️🎉
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the comment!!!
Marc
A vey fantastic,informative review. Was thinking about a Rancilio Silvia, now I’m not so sure, the GO looks a quality build.
Thank You Marc.
Hey Leaf, You're welcome! Thanks for the comment.
Marc
What did you end up choosing?
another gr8 vid. thanks Marc.. ✔👏✨✨
Glad you enjoyed it!
Marc
I've had this machine for about three months and love it. I use it every day.
Hey f, thanks for the report! It's a wonderful little machine!
Marc
How do you like the Profitec Go so far? Any issues?
I still love it and have had no issues at all.@@83Goldy
It is really nice. Profitec is stepping up their game with the Pro 400 and now the Go. To have a PID and externally adjustable OPV, the great drip tray, high pressure steam boiler, big gauge and the contemporary look, I am very impressed!
Hi JD, Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Mark,
Would you please share your advice between the PROFITEC GO and the ECM CASA V, for an entry-level lover of coffee?
I already bought the NICHE grinder machine.
Thank you so much for the great video.
Fantastic Video with a lot of information. From what I see, this is a Gaggia classic pro killer. Cheers from Mexico!
Hi Ricardo, Thanks for the comment! not to sure about it being a GCP killer at more than double the price. Maybe the Rancilio Silvia?
Marc
Excellent video !
Hey rj, thanks for the comment!
Great review as usual. It would be interesting to have a comparison with other single boiler machine with PID such as the Lelit Victoria and the Ascaso Dream PID :)
Hey n, Thanks for the comment. Will review the others when I can.
Marc
Hi Marc, fantastic review!
Any chances you know the dimensions of the brew gasket? And is a silicone one available?
Keep up the great work 😊
This looks like a great machine for a home espresso lover. Get a good amount of features of a dual boiler system; but gets to temp faster, all while saving $1000. The savings would open up funds to go nuts with a grinder. I may have to upgrade from my current Breville Infuser. Great review as always Marc.
Hi v, Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for your kind comment!
Marc
Love this thing. Very capable and relatively small footprint. Will consider this when my Smeg/Dedica dies.
For sure!
Great machine!
A few year back I was heavily debating which machine to buy for my first. It was between the Casa V (precursor to the Go) and the Rancilio Silvia (ironically that was version 5 at the time)
There were reasons then why the Casa V was a better machine but what you couldn’t to it then was add a PID to it, which was easily available and possible with the Silvia. For that reason, I went with the Silvia. This is a beautiful machine and if my Silvia makes great espresso I know this will too but a Silvia with an Auber PID still beats this for ONE reason - it can do Preinfusion. If Profitec were able to achieve that with the GO then out of the box, it would be, probably, the only single boiler machine to ever buy.
Hi CF, Thanks a whole latte for sharing your thoughts!
Marc
Just ordered one tonight - selling my old Rancilio Silvia tomorrow
I'd love to see a comparison with the Ascaso Dream PID. It seems the Dream has the edge with features as it has adjustable pre infusion and volumetric control. The Go is slightly cheaper though so it's a tough call. Steam quality doesn't matter for me as I don't make milk drinks.
Excellent review. I have had my Profitec GO for 2 months and I am very pleased with it. I am making single drinks and have no problem with the single boiler work flow as outlined here. When I occasionally want to use a taller cup I remove the drip tray grid and set the cup in the tray. This way I can brew the espresso directly into hot water for an Americano easily. Cannot use a scale, but as my grind is dialed in, I can draw by time, 30 seconds. So far, I have not found a quirk or downside to the machine. PS the steam wand has been upgraded to cool touch.
Hey user, thanks a whole latte for the kind comment and 2 month report on your Profitec GO. An excellent machine and very popular choice!
Marc
Any issues with this machine now that it’s been about a year?
@@indeskys9714 My machine has had no issues. Seattle has excelled water, but I went to using Matt Perger’s recipe anyway. So no descaling, just Cafiza for back flushing. Now I am free to obsess over grinders, what to get if my Sette breaks.
Ideal entry machine.
My via Venezia finally died😢I’m in the market for a new machine. This one looks great!
Hi, Marc, nice review as always from you ;-)
@4:02 One could use the hot water for flushing the brew group to pre-heat that cup and only then wipe the cup dry afterwards… Just one more tiny additional step with a huge impact on cup quality ;-)
@5:38 Having a nice warm cup is even more important if you wish to froth milk after the espresso shot…
Hi AGCS, Thanks for the generous comment and the tips!
Marc
Hello Marc, very good video.
I noticed that cold water fill the boiler from the top. What is the difference between TOP and BOTTOM?
In addition, I hadn't seen the neutral thermostat at the top of the boiler. Is it replaced by pid system?
Thanks!
Hi RZ, Thanks for the comment and questions! Yes, With PID controlling temps there's no need for a thermostat. In the "ring" type boiler used in the machine water connection is on top of boiler. No real difference.
Marc
Great, informative review! I bought the Sage Barista Pro last September and it has already malfunctioned, waiting for the result of my warranty claim. In the meantime, I'm exploring alternatives and after watching your review, this machine is a top contender. One question: is a single spout available for the portafilter? I have several espresso cups with narrow openings and would love to be able to use them to pull a single shot.
Hi GO60, Thanks for the kind comment. Yes a single spout is available: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-single-spout-portafilter
Marc
Thanks Marc, great review, couple of questions: I'm a little confused as to why a pre-brew flush would be required? I didn't think this would be the case with a single boiler with PID.
I had thought the cooling flush type scenario was really only necessary for HX machines. As it's a relatively small boiler the pre- brew flush will drop the temperature quite a bit will it not when the room temperature water is then introduced into the boiler? Second question would be is this the same PID that's on the higher end Profitec / ECM models and if so can you go in to the advanced settings and change the offset temp? thinking this might solve the issue if for some reason the brew temp is starting out too hot. Thank you!
Hi Daniel, Thanks for the comment and question. The GO has a boiler volume of ~400ml. The flush turns over ~40ml of water based on typical vibe pump flow rate of ~8ml/sec. The PID does have an advance mode like others. Just got in there and believe the offset is set to 10 degrees. With that, what you suggest is possible in theory but could have unintended consequences like brew temp dropping below optimal as a shot progresses. One could do essentially the same thing by just setting the t1 PID brew temp 10 degrees lower. Keep in mind this results in lower temps not just for the water but the mass of the boiler, group head and PF as well.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Good to know, thanks for your reply!
I bought a Casa V last year and I LOVE it but sometimes I miss the fact it doesn't have a PID. Do you have any info on adding a PID to my Casa 5? Of course, I'd hate to mess up the beautiful lines of the Casa V.....
Hi Ken, Thanks for sharing your love of the Casa V. Unfortunately, I have no info for upgrading with PID.
Marc
Hey Marc, thanks for the review! Does the steam wand work as a hot water wand as well? If not, what are some recommended ways to make an Americano with this machine? Thanks!
Hi Adam, Yes, the steam wand will put out hot water. When doing so expect some water dripping from the group. You cvan live with that or another option is to mount a spare portafilter with a backflush disc installed to prevent the dripping when taking water from the wand. One could also dispense hot water directly from the group head into cup. Might want a short flush prior to push off any grounds on the shower screen.
Marc
Hi guys great review! Looks like this machine addresses all of the things we’d like a gaggia classic pro to have?
Sure! But do all the Gaggia's shortcomings account for a ~2.4x higher price increase on the Profitec (at least here in my country)? If so, then you're not on the market for the Gaggia :) Both are great machines in their own right, but I wouldn't compare them.
Great review! Would you still recommend the Go even without pre-infusion or is this reason enough to go for the Ascaso Steel Uno Pid (and its much higher price)? They seem to check the same boxes except for the pre-infusion. Thanks!
Hi j, Thanks for the question. I have not used the Ascaso machine so cannot speak to it's pre-infusion capabilities. I can say in some cases pre-infusion is overrated. Especially true in machines using vibration pumps like the GO which build pressure and flow much more slowly than higher-end machines with rotary pumps. The slow build is in essence a type of pre-infusion.
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you for the answer :)
This looks like a nice quality, well optioned machine. I start my day off with an Americano. Would i have to run water through the portafilter?
Hey u, You can get hot water from the wand. There will be some dripping from the group when you do that. Or, you can get hot water from the group. If I were doing Americanos on this machine on a regular basis I'd probably have a spare portafilter with a blind basket installed and attach that when taking hot water from the wand.
Marc
Are the BUTTONS on the upper left front as RELIABLE as ROCKER or TOGGLE switches? And if NOT, is that an option?
Hi Mark!! as always, great video!!👏👏 as Profitec GO does not have a pre-infusion system, is there any way to simulate a pre-infusion?
Hey RRGB, Thanks for the kind comment and question. Yes there is a workaround to do pre-infusion. You can pre-wet the coffee puck by turning pump on briefly, turning off and waiting a few seconds then extract as normal. For more traditional pre-infusion/flow rate control open the steam wand while the pump is on to bleed pressure/flow from the brewing circuit. Here's a video from my colleague AJ demonstrating on a Gaggia Classic Pro: ruclips.net/video/AoZuYaDq5yc/видео.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hey Marc! Thanks for your answer. I will try to make this process
Did you test it?@@rafaelrgbarrocas
Is this really worth more than double the price over the gaggia? I love profitec i own a ecm synchronika but have a hard time the in the cup taste is worth double the money, anybkdy here owned or owns both?
Cool machine I’m thinking of getting one, i used heat exchanger in the past with BZ10. Now comparing this with Lelit Anna PID, which one should i go with? This machine cost more in colour so i may get the black version
Hi i, I prefer the build quality of the Profitec but both are equally capable.
Hi Marc, thanks for a great review!
Could you please share your thoughts regarding the quality of extraction between the Go machine to the new Stone machine?
Couldnt find any info in the channel regarding the Stone, However Im considering how exiting is the new tech in the stone and if it gives any edge on the Go machine.
Hope you could share your thoughts, many thanks
Hi DY, We have had the Stone in for evaluation and are not carrying the machine at this point. When I initially looked at the machine I was a little put off by the plastic actuator on top of the group. The slab side panels are unique. In a general sense I find the overall build quality higher in the the GO. I'm not entirely certain how temps are controlled in the Stone. It's PID in the GO with the shot timer. Pricing I see shows the Stone about 50% more than the GO - not sure I could justify that difference.
Marc
How is the temperature stability with back to back shots without steaming?
Hi Marc! As always an excellent video, congratulations!
I'm having trouble to maintaining the pressure of 10 bars while extracting the espresso. After adjusting the grind size according to the usual dialing-in espresso procedure, considering the extraction time and the final total weight, and starting the espresso extraction, the pressure gauge starts at 10 bars but after a few seconds the pressure starts to drop, going to 9, 8 and reaching at 7 bars. I've tried to change all possible settings like coffee quality and quantity (18g to 20g), tamper pressure and grind size but I can't get to a constant pressure of 10 bars during the extraction. When I grind very fine I can even stay at 10 bars but the extraction is very slow and I don't reach the espresso time range. Do you have any clues as to what is causing this?
I have a Profitec GO and a Eureka mignon XL.
Thank you in advance!
Hi RRGB! Thanks for the kind comment and question. It's not unusual for pressure to drop as extraction progresses and nothing to worry about. Pressure drops even in high-end rotary pump machines - especially noticeable on E61 group machines with a pressure gauge on the group. Think about the solids being removed from the puck as the extraction progresses. That reduces the pucks restriction and pressure on the puck decreases. I say nothing to worry about as studies have shown little difference in TDS in cup with variations of 2-3 bar of pressure. Flow rate is much more important.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Dear Marc, thank you so much for your clarification, it really makes sense!
I'm suspicious of the power quality at my outlet, considering that I'm having problems with my microwave...what do you think about it? To be sure I will call a technician to check the electrical installations of my apartment.
The interesting thing about Profitec GO is the versatility to adjust the espresso extraction. I changed the pressure to 9 bars and the temperature from 203ºF to 197ºF so this pressure variation during extraction decreased as well as the taste became sweeter!
@@rafaelrgbarrocas There's no way it can be the power at your outlet. At minimum it's rated for 15amps (1800 watts) and the Go doesn't draw nearly enough current (1200 watts maximum)
could opening the steam wand during the first few seconds of a brew lower the brew pressure and thus get some pre-infusion? works with the GCP.
Hi Lukas, yes it will.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage amazing thanks !
Great review. Is it accurate that there is not enough space under the portafilter to accommodate a scale?
Hi sp, thanks for the comment and question. Guess it depends on size of scale and cup. There's 3"/76mm clearance under the spouts. Acaia Lunar I use is .5"/13mm leaving 2.5"/63mm for cup.
Marc
Hey Marc, what would you recommend between this machine and the Rancilio Silvia 2020 model single boiler?
Hi ADH, The GO cost more but has desirable features like PID, external brew pressure adjustment, brew pressure gauge and larger drip tray not found on the Silvia. I have not done steaming comparison between the machines but I'm fairly certain start to finish steaming time is shorter on the GO.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Marc, would you please make a video comparing the Rancilio Silvia to The Go? That would be great!
HI! Can you use a smart plug timer to off/on the machine? Thanks
Hi PU, Yes you can! The power switch is mechanical and not electronic so it works. Just make sure it's rated to handle the power load of the machine.
Marc
Let's say I have people visiting and I want to make multiple cappuccinos in a row... do you know how long it takes for the boiler to cool back down to the right temp for espresso after steaming milk?
Pull all the shots first, then steam all the milk in a single pitcher.
Great machine.
Hey gg, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Please, if it's possible, I would like to suggest for you to make a detailed video over the machine internals Thanks!
Noted!
Really nice review, thank you!
I do have a question: Is the time between a finished shot and creating the foam for a cappuccino not to long? In other words, is the cappuccino when serving out the right temperature?
Hi Stefan, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and question. I covered steaming times in the video. I'll place a link below to section of the video showing that. The short version is it's about 45 seconds from finishing your extraction to finish of frothing 5oz/150ml of milk to 140F/60C. ruclips.net/video/aROy-ZjgZUQ/видео.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Ah great!! thanks. I am in doubt of getting this Go version or the PR0 300. Is it worth spending almost double for the dual boiler or are there other major benefits?
@@DaadWerkelijk Hi, Using the Pro 300 you can brew and steam simultaneously so workflow is a lot faster and there's no cooling down of boiler required after steaming. Both machines have PID but there is some brew temp variation on the GO after steaming as the machine gets cooled down and settles back to it's programmed brew temp. Steaming on the Pro 300 has no impact on brew temps.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Whole latte love for your support!
If I was mainly an espresso drinker, I think this would be my go to machine! I think also for making two small Italian Cappucinos (using a single shot and splitting the double shot into two cups) this will work very well! But if you have more than one person that wants to drink a late or flat white the workflow to cool the machine down between shots would be a massive turn off for me. Paired with a nice grinder this will give you tons of control to dial in the coffee.
Hi Tim, Thanks for the comment - good advice! If cranking out milk drinks all the time I'd def recommend stepping up to a HX or dual boiler machine.
Marc
You can do all the espresso shots first and then heat up the boiler for the milk - that is what I do on my Gaggia.
This machine is superb. It's literally the Gaggia but with all the advanced features from the get go without having to mod them in. The only complaint I have with this machine is that at the price point it's at, I'd have hoped for flow control ability. However, minor issue. The PID - and advanced settings available - are great. I would also like to note that WLL preconfigured my machine when I purchased it. Great experience all round!
Hey expat, thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience!
Marc
nice machine,i have classic pro, but I'm ready to update for double boiler, is nice machine i like o this new game
Wondering what your thoughts are on the GO versus the ECM Classika? I do not see a lot of differences but I also new to expresso machines.
Hi a, Thanks for the question. The Classika uses an E61 group which due to its heavy mass has a stabilizing effect on brew temps. Classika also has a dedicated pump switch which makes refilling/cooling the boiler after steaming a little easier.
Excellent, wish they made it in all white very surprised they dont
Hey Mark. Well done. I think this would be a great upgrade for the machine I’ve been using for the past 20 years which is a Briel. Thanks again. Any promos on this ?
Hi David, Thanks for the comment.! You can check here for current offers: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/sale
They change all the time - at minumum there's currently $25 off orders over $300.
Marc
Hey I ordered one about 3 weeks ago I’m wondering if it’s going to be delivered this week as said
Hi Garrett, Best to contact our CS team for order status: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Are you guys getting any of these in stock soon?
How long does the machine take to switch from espresso to steaming? I mostly make flat whites.
Hi Omar, As shown ion the video you can flip the steam switch, do a 5 second purge, wait 10 seconds, do another 5 second purge and then start steaming. So flip the steam switch and start steaming 20 seconds later.
Marc
Hi Mark,
Would you please share your advice between the PROFITEC GO and the ECM CASA V, for an entry-level lover of coffee?
I already bought the NICHE grinder machine.
Thank you so much for the great video.
Hi jp, You are welcome for the video! They are similar machines. Big difference is the go is PID so has more precise temperature control. If you will be doing a lot of milk drinks the Casa V does have a dedicated pump switch which makes cooling down the boiler after steaming a little easier. If doing mostly straight espresso I'd go with the GO. If doing milk drinks regularly then the Casa V.
Marc
Looking to purchase my first machine! This has almost everything I would be looking for. I am surprised to see this is not available in stainless. That itself may sway me in the direction of the Quick Mill Silvano
Hi BG, Thanks for the comment.
hello how can i get hot water from profitec go. for americano and Does the pid control stop itself in seconds or should we stop it?
Hi Yusuf, Yes you can get hot water from the steam wand by turning on the brew switch with the steam valve open. Some water may drip from the group head when producing hot water. Suggest having a second portafilter with a backflush disc installed locked into group when producing water in this way to prevent water drip. That's not required but keeps things cleaner. Hope that helps.
Marc
Just ordered one from you guys, where can I order wood steam knob? 😊
Hi LMRTFY, We hope to have the wood trim customizing options available on the product pages soon. In the meantime, if the machine has already shipped please contact our sales support team here to discuss options: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us
In Australia, the retail outlets have increased the price of the GO over the Casa V by $500 Aud. That is an extra 35% mark up over the US price. In fact the price has been made so high, there now is an option to look at the ECM Classica, which is $229 more than the GO. So my question is, would you recommend the Go or the Classica as the better machine, and if you can offer some reasons why, I would appreciate that. Thank you very much much if you can respond.
Hey TH, yes, I'd be looking at the Classika at that price. Advantages: E61 group w/option for flow control, larger stainless steel boiler, dedicated pump switch for easy boiler cool down, higher level finishing/detail.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I very much appreciate your response. Best wishes to you.
Finally a machine that beats the Lelit Victoria
How far left does the steam want pivot? Is it possible to purge steam directly into the drip tray? Thanks in advance.
Hi n, The steam wand pivots all the way to the left so you can purge into the drip tray no problem.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks, Marc. I appreciate all the help. Happy (early) Friday!
Any chance doing a descaling video on this one? Can’t get the steam wand to dispense water without water also dripping through the group head
Do you open the steam valve fully when you steam?
Hey Marc, can you give us some guiding steps on how to descale the Profitec GO, as apparently, the manual says that it should be descaled only by professionals?
Thanks a lot!
Best,
Hi LK, Here's a video showing the descaling process on the single boiler Gaggia Classic Pro. Same process can be used on the GO: ruclips.net/video/VbLIIrhE8ms/видео.html
You can eliminate descaling by filtering water to reduce calcium. We like these products from BWT for that purpose. They use patented calcium to magnesium ion-exchange leaving you with water which will not cause scale when used as directed yet has the mineral level needed to support good flavor
BWT Bestsave anti-scale pad filter: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-s-anti-scale-filter
BWT Bestcup in reservoir plumbed filter: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestcup-m-package
BWT Penguin Pitcher: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-penguin-2-7-l-water-pitcher
The above filters also contain activated carbon to remove chlorination and other chemicals.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, thanks a lot for the quick reply.
I will look into the filtering options a bit closer, as when I try to replicate the steps for descaling from the abovementioned video, water starts running both from the group and from the steam wand. In the video it specifically says that water (with descaling solution) should be running from the steam wand only, in order to prevent blockage in the group head.
Let me know if I am missing something here, or if you might have any further recommendations specific for the Profitec GO.
Thanks a lot, once again.
Best regards,
LK
@@lubo0o1 You can insert a backflush disc into the portafilter to prevent water traveling through the group. Blockage in group head is very unlikely unless you feel the machine is severely scaled before descaling.
I got this exact machine, its so good. I could of went cheaper and got the gaggia classic, but with the already installed PID, adjustable pressure/temperature , big water reservoir. All around its great for 1k.
How many g do you fill in your double basket portafilter? I‘m curious as I have extremely wet pucks.
@@xXWhateverxX4kHD 17-18grams for about 23-30 secs after first drip to get a 1/2 or a 1/1.75 ratio out., I bought a puck screen as well.
I noticed that with brewing and steaming, you didn't wait for it to get back to temp after purging. Is this to save time in the video? Sometimes after purging my steam wand twice, the temp just keeps going down until I turn off steaming and turn it back on again.
Hi k, May have been to save time in the video.
Hopefully whatever production issues profitec are having clear up soon. Been trying to grab one but apparently UK distributors have been waiting months for stock.
Hi iiam, I'm guessing high demand for home espresso machines and past supply chain issues. Stock is picking up here in US.
Marc
Look at the bright side. You could instead be waiting 6 months to 1.5 years for a car.
@@espressomatic Oh I don't drive, I wouldn't know that. Sounds like pain.
Speaking of this machine though, I ordered one from an irish company on black friday, feel kinda bad for importing it but the company put it on a really quite good sale price during black friday. Meanwhile there's still not been any stock in the UK. I will probably have to eat a customs tax, but it will still end up cheaper than if the UK vendors had stock.
How would you compare this to the Bezzera New Hobby? Would you say the Profitec is better or about the same with espresso quality?
Hi mst, Thanks for the question. With PID temperature control, the GO will produce more consistent and accurate brew temps giving one the ability to match brew temp to the coffee used. It also has easy access to OPV for brew pressure control and a shot timer to help you out. Overall, the GO gives one a better set of tools for making espresso.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Does it offer pre-infusion during the brewing process?
No, Although some consider the slow pressure ramp up a minor form of pre-infusion.
Those pucks are super wet, I'd use a smaller basket for that weight/volume of grounds. Without a solenoid valve, pucks in my old Dedica come out dry and always in one solid piece.
I wish this machine was available a year ago. I purchased a Lelit pl41tem a year ago for the PID and an adjustable OPV. The 57mm non-standard basket has been a problem ever since. The IMS precision basket at 57mm is disappointing compared to the standard 58mm. I would have preferred to have this machine with a standard basket size. I would have easily dropped the extra $100 for it.
Hi John, Thanks for the comment. Non-standard size baskets and PFs drive me nuts too. And don't even get me started with the weird aluminum 51mm, 54mm, etc found on a lot of plasticky appliance grade espresso makers.
Marc
Does the PL41TEM has an externally adjustable OPV?
@@Yirgamalabar you can adjust the OPV but it requires disassembly.
Is there a noticeable difference between an espresso from these machines vs a budget Kitchenaid type pressurized type machine?
Hi Julian, Yes there is! Standard commercial sized non-pressurized baskets are capable of producing a much better espresso! It takes just a little skill and an espresso focused burr grinder to realize that potential.
Marc
Hi. I'm a little confused. sometimes I hear a double shot is a 2oz drink and sometimes I hear about using the 2:1 ratio formula. don't they give different results?
i think that the 2 ounce rule is a bit of an old fashioned way to think about it. for the better results, you should use a scale to measure input, and output of espresso. volumetric measurements aren't ideal in coffee as different coffees have different densities. and the wonder of the 2:1 ratio is that you can scale up, or down, depending on how much you wan to make. so you could (in theory) make a giant thermos of espresso, although, that's not quite practical. and also as coffee ages it has less co2 in it, so as time goes on, your relative coffee too water ratio is changing depending on how old your coffee is. so long story short, use a scale to measure your grounds, and your output. use ratios, and taste your espresso!! (p.s it doesn't have to be 1:2, different coffees extract differently, play around, find what you like best!) i hope this helped out! good luck with your spro, taste it out, and experiment to see what works for your equipment, coffee, and tongue!!
@@kalanphelps9498 thanks! indeed, my preferred method is using the 1:2 rule. but sometimes I feel confused when I see the pros still use the older method hehe.
From what I’ve read about ratio, it can also depend on the beans and your taste preference. I used to pull 2 ounces from only like 18g. Now I do closer to a 1:2.5 ratio using 22g and love the results. Pulling 2 ounces in under 30 seconds with 18g will flow pretty fast, whereas a 1:2 ratio will flow much slower if it’s within the same amount of time. I think pulling 2 ounces under 30 seconds makes it more thin in flavor and not as good.
I am not at all an expert on this, but sharing my experience and thoughts.
Hi f, I often use scales and do ratios but avoid when doing videos on what many would consider a premium entry-level machine. That said, if your working a coffee that produces a lot of crema and using a 17-18g dose a 2oz/60ml volume including the crema measured during extraction is usually very close to a 1:2 ratio by weight. Keep in mind the crema is very light compared to the 1g per milliliter of pure water.
Marc
@@billhendrix4125 I normally pull 40g out of 18g which is a bit more than 1:2 and still within the 1:2 to 2.5 accepted ratio for espresso 🙂
Mark, if you are only making 1 espresso milk drink, do you need to waste the water by purging to cool down or could you just let it go down by time
Hi Ken, yes, you should always cool down/refill the boiler after steaming.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage sorry Marc.. I changed your name back and forth about 4x ..
@@kenroman777 No need to be sorry! K or C it sounds the same. I'm not at all uptight about it
Marc
Brilliant review.
If I wanted a first training machine with a 58mm portafilter, this would be it.
Would you be able to set the over-pressure valve to 11 bar, then adjust the dose/grind size for the machine to show 10 bar when extracting, thus never engaging the OPV?
Hi Tom, Thanks for the comment and question. Yes you should be able to do that.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage wow, great, thanks for replying.
Where can the wood trims seen at 11:40 be purchased?
Hi BW, Due to limited supply it's currently only available with original machine purchase.
whats your thoughts on this machine vs modding a gaggia classic pro?
Hi Zack, Thanks for the question. Unless you're looking for a project I recommend against modding.
Marc
Hi Marc, thanks again for another awesome video! I’m a newbie and want to learn how to make expresso, froth milk, and maintain the machine before ordering one. You kept stressing back flush and cooling down the machine after each brew or milk-frothing. And I’ve noticed different ways of back flushing on different machines. Easier on the higher end ones. May you please direct me to a video where you talk in details about cooling down the machine and the directions of water flow so that I get a better idea on how exactly the machine works and how to care for it?
Hi SS, Cooling/refilling the boiler after steaming on a single boiler machine is very important. Look for a new video done by my colleague AJ dropping later today: "How and Why to Refill Your Espresso Machine Boiler". It should answer your questions.
Backflushing is a group cleaning process. Here's a video on that: ruclips.net/video/5LEd0XoFVRg/видео.html
There are also cooling flushes which dump over-heated brew water prior to extracting espresso. Some machines need them and some don't. Common process on many machines using single boilers or heat-exchange boilers.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, thank you so much for your reply! I did watch AJ’s video on cooling the boiler, and it was super helpful! I appreciate your videos. I've learned so much in just a few days of mindfully watching your videos, and I even made notes! The more I know, the more questions I have. I am eyeing on Ceado p50 grinder (from Silenzio) for it's bigger burr and straightness and easier maintenance (no touch screen for timer and other electronic settings). I will just get a scale to measure 18g. Am I on the right track?
@@sciencescience9102 No problem! Yes, you are on the right track.
Marc
what is the distance from the portafilter spout to the pan? thanks
Hi, cup clearance is 3".
Nice! By the way, it is called PRO FEE TECH. :)
Looks like a sweet machine. 👍
Hi TCC, Thanks for the comment! Pronunciation... Here's the CEO of Profitec/ECM Michael Hauck saying it when I interviewed him at production facility outside Milan: ruclips.net/video/K0RI5rdz4Ww/видео.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Mark! Thanks for your response! He said it really fast, so it is hard to tell. But in Germany it would be pronounced different than in the USA I guess. "Profi" means something link expert, so I hear people say this word all the time in Germany. Nice review, and I do really like the quality on that brand. Wish you the best! Tom
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hey Tom, My pleasure - and thank you for the kind comment!
Marc
I got my profitec go yesterday, but for some reason i cant turn the portafilter all the way without applying a ton of strength. It feels like the machine is bending. Is that normal?
Hi JJ, Congrats on the new machine! It's not unusual for portafilters to clock-in a little short on brand new machines. As you use the machine the group gasket should break in and allow the PF to clock-in further without so much force. Stock group gaskets use a hard rubber compound. If you'd like easier clock-in you could replace the stock gasket with a softer silicone gasket: www.wholelattelove.com/products/caffewerks-silicone-group-gasket-73-x-57-x-8mm
Silicone gaskets last longer and form a seal with less force.
Marc
Thanks, Marc!
@@cafekyoushitsu My pleasure!
So the because you have to adjust the Pressure to read 10 bars to get 9 bars on the coffee, does that mean the gauge is reading wrong? what if you want to experiment with different pressures ? say 6 bars... do you then have to set the machine to 7 bars with the test basket?
Hi joe, The pressure difference is very common in espresso machines with vibration pumps. In most machines the pressure is read very close to the pump. The internal piping causes some pressure loss between reading point and what's actually present in the group. Here's the thing... What you're setting with the OPV is the maximum static (no flow) pressure. If you set to 10 you'll likely be 1-2 bar lower within the group during an actual extraction as pressure is released through the coffee. I think people get a little over the top about the 9 bar dogma. It's unlikely anyone is going to taste a difference between shot pulled +/- 1 bar. Do experiment with different brew pressures and see how they change flavor but don't get to wrapped up in 1-2 bar differences.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage ok sounds good. Thanks for the reply.
Hi I recently purchased this machine and received it. I was following the instructions to get the machine up and running, but the boiler is not filling. The temperature gauge will continue to go up, but the pressure gauge needle does not move. Very little water is dispensed form the group head. Help?
Hi vex, Any progress yet with boiler filling? I'm assuming you completed the initial FIL procedure as described in the manual and ollowed the pump to run for the minimum 30 seconds? If still having issues and in US/Canada you can contact our tech support staff here for additional assistance: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, I took the chassis apart and found that a connector wasn’t connected. I connected it, and now it is filling
Could this be plugged into a timer- or smartplug…?
Hi FW, Yes, if properly rated to handle the power load. The power switch is mechanical and not electronic so timer or smartplug will work.
Marc
Bought this machine. Looking to find the wood. knob and handles to replace. Where can these be found? 12:45
Hi there.
Please contact our sales team for information on getting wood accents for your Profitec GO. Phone # 585-924-7170.
Thank you.
I’d like to see how this compares to the Ecm Classika pid machine.
Hi TP321, Here's a side by side spec comparison of the Profitec Go and ECM Classika with current pricing: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NDMzNTAyMDUwNzE5MCw2ODAyNjQ1OTA5NTU4
For more details on the Classika search our RUclips channel videos for "Classika". We have 11 videos on the machine.
Nice, thanks.
It's been a little mini dream of mine to buy a quick mill pippa now for over a year. I wanted to know if you could give me a very concise rundown of which machine you think is better. I understand there's a lot of talk about PID, but from everything I've read and watched, the Pippa doesn't have issues with keeping temp. Overall, it seems like a more high-mid tier product to me, and I love the whole hacks video you folks have up for manual pre-infusion with single boiler machines like the Pippa which has me sold on best bang-for-buck when you're on a budget but absolutely adore having the best possible singular cup of latte a day. Is there anyway you could help me out here?
Hi A, Thanks for the question. The Profitec GO, with PID is a bit more consistent with brew temps. Also has the shot timer which some users appreciate and larger brew pressure gauge. Both machines are premium grade single boiler machines. As mentioned, the GO is built on the bones of the ECM Casa and ECM is considered tops in overall build quality. The Pippa has the side loading water reservoir so works well if you have overhead cabinetry which restricts access to the top of machine. Both machines are featured side by side in our Top 5 Favorite Entry-Level Machines of 2022 video: ruclips.net/video/CFTuKEFEWZc/видео.html
Marc
It's pretty obvious from videos alone that the build quality on the Profitec (and ECM Casa V) is much higher than on the Pippa. IMO, the main draw to the Pippa is the side-loading water reservoir. The slightly larger boiler is a wash/irrelevant and regardless of how well it maintained temp, is no substitute for PID, which allows you to CHANGE temp.
Where can I get the wooden handles from?
I’d also like to know? Thanks
Can the wand dispense hot water or only steam?
Hi MP, The wand will dispense hot water by turning on the brew switch. You will have some dripping from the group when doing that.
Marc
Anyone upgrade to this from a Gaggia Classic with PID? Wondering if it’s worthwhile or not.