Terrific video Eve - I'm so impressed that you continue doing these wonderful low-cost documentaries that don't take years and massive fund-raising to produce, but really address important issues and make a real contribution.
I thought Sister George was a wonderful satire of British TV culture of the time. The central relationship was abusive but there was also great pathos and humour. I don't think anyone who watched the movie would conclude that all lesbian couples behave this way.
Fave lines from the movie MRS CROFT: I can hardly put in a complaint that you were bitten by two nuns. GEORGE: Why not? For all we know they might have had rabies
When that was all we had and we were teenagers with no support and all public information, doctors included, said we were mentally ill and should be locked up, yes we didn't know to question it.
There is great and tragic humour in this film. Some brilliant lines. I like it when she gets in the taxi drunk and says to the 2 nuns: "Well hello girls! Orf on a mission are we? How do you ladies pass your time?" LMAO! 😂😂😂
I think the protest was a pretty good solution to the problems of the play being staged. The symposium afterward made it even better. I wish, though, the discussion could have been folded into the staging of the play -- that would have been optimum. It would have given the director/producer and even the actors a chance to critique the work as it happened, rather than spreading the hatred and misogyny. It's pretty telling that nothing like that occurred to them. It's important that bigoted works of art like Sister George are illuminated and analyzed *while* they are being experienced by the audience. The fact of the director being a gay man makes perfect sense -- he was (is) a man and at that time, there was little acknowledgement of the misogyny of gay men's culture. There's still not enough of that. Thanks, Eve. Diane
Thank you so much for this. My first lover and I saw that disgusting film in 1968 when we were 17 and 16 and there was NO positive images of Lesbians in the media. It had a horrific effect on us.
I think you're overreacting just a bit. It was simply intended as a farce. The playwright Frank Marcus never mentioned lesbianism, he was just interested in women and their relationships. However, there does seem to be a problem with how lgbt women are presented in society, in how they present themselves. Being a gay man is quite kool these days. Lesbians just don't seem to have the same confidence. I don't know what the answer is...
@@splinterbyrd You have no idea about our lives or oppression. Gay men have so much more privilege, power, money, etc. You lump us in with your and your men (T) who are destroying our community. We don't have the power to represent ourselves. What is supposed to represent us, like the L Word, is disgustingly Lesbian-hating. I know what the answer is, and it's very obvious. But why should you care? Do you have any idea what it was like to be a 16 or 17 year old Lesbian in 1968 when we had NO support, film, book, newspaper, etc. that in any way supported us or countered the lies. Lesbians were still being locked up and drugged and given shock treatments. So yes, leave it to a man to make an incredibly Lesbian-hating "farce" that affected teenaged girls trying to find out what it means to be a Lesbian, to terrorize us.
I was at SRJC at the time, and was, and am still an admirer of Ann Neel. I recall this era with admiration and a sense of pride. We were up against such long odds. Dangerous as well. Santa Rosa was a rural, conservative place at that time. So much has been accomplished as a result of Ann Neel’s courage, commitment, and intelligence. Hooray for the 70’s
I gather that in the stage play, although lesbianism is implied, it's never actually stated. The author Frank Marcus intended it as a farce. For me, the movie is a brilliant depiction of an alcoholic personality.
KANTELE on stand @ 8'13" = the National Instrument of Finland ! A unique conveyer-belt of existence, reaches to the otherworld, longlasting chordal projectiles, like a metaphysical transmitter from a personal soul to the unisoul - in unison. If you can play it. Suggest dig up a recent doc : MELVIN KANGAS (1933-2021) - the Kanteleman (very few views) 🇫🇮
Very well-done short on Sonoma County lesbian and gay history -- explaining why a particular issue mattered and how it was dealt with it -- thoughtfully and respectfully, but with unrelenting focus.
If you think that was bad...how do men feel after viewing the 1968 film, "The Sergeant" starring, Rod Steiger. ..It ends with a kiss and a violent suicide...
There were no positive images of gay men or lesbians. I was fired in 1965 from the San Francisco Examiner, a William Randolph Hearst enterprise, for being seem going into gay bars, though my sales of classified advertising was far above the average.
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I am shocked by how many people were angry and outraged in California by this brilliant play and film!
yes because according to the LGBT mafia - no gay relationship could possibly be a bad one' - that only happens in straight relationships right?
@@booth2710 quite! I’m gay and thought that the play and film were excellent.
Terrific video Eve - I'm so impressed that you continue doing these wonderful low-cost documentaries that don't take years and massive fund-raising to produce, but really address important issues and make a real contribution.
I thought Sister George was a wonderful satire of British TV culture of the time. The central relationship was abusive but there was also great pathos and humour. I don't think anyone who watched the movie would conclude that all lesbian couples behave this way.
Fave lines from the movie
MRS CROFT: I can hardly put in a complaint that you were bitten by two nuns.
GEORGE: Why not? For all we know they might have had rabies
When that was all we had and we were teenagers with no support and all public information, doctors included, said we were mentally ill and should be locked up, yes we didn't know to question it.
There is great and tragic humour in this film. Some brilliant lines. I like it when she gets in the taxi drunk and says to the 2 nuns: "Well hello girls! Orf on a mission are we? How do you ladies pass your time?" LMAO! 😂😂😂
@@splinterbyrdhilarious 😂😂😂
This is fantastic! Thanks Eve for teaching us about Sonoma County lesbian and gay history.
I think the protest was a pretty good solution to the problems of the play being staged. The symposium afterward made it even better. I wish, though, the discussion could have been folded into the staging of the play -- that would have been optimum. It would have given the director/producer and even the actors a chance to critique the work as it happened, rather than spreading the hatred and misogyny. It's pretty telling that nothing like that occurred to them. It's important that bigoted works of art like Sister George are illuminated and analyzed *while* they are being experienced by the audience. The fact of the director being a gay man makes perfect sense -- he was (is) a man and at that time, there was little acknowledgement of the misogyny of gay men's culture. There's still not enough of that.
Thanks, Eve.
Diane
i agree on all points.
I fully agree.
Thank you so much for this. My first lover and I saw that disgusting film in 1968 when we were 17 and 16 and there was NO positive images of Lesbians in the media. It had a horrific effect on us.
I think you're overreacting just a bit. It was simply intended as a farce. The playwright Frank Marcus never mentioned lesbianism, he was just interested in women and their relationships.
However, there does seem to be a problem with how lgbt women are presented in society, in how they present themselves.
Being a gay man is quite kool these days. Lesbians just don't seem to have the same confidence. I don't know what the answer is...
@@splinterbyrd You have no idea about our lives or oppression. Gay men have so much more privilege, power, money, etc. You lump us in with your and your men (T) who are destroying our community. We don't have the power to represent ourselves. What is supposed to represent us, like the L Word, is disgustingly Lesbian-hating.
I know what the answer is, and it's very obvious.
But why should you care? Do you have any idea what it was like to be a 16 or 17 year old Lesbian in 1968 when we had NO support, film, book, newspaper, etc. that in any way supported us or countered the lies. Lesbians were still being locked up and drugged and given shock treatments.
So yes, leave it to a man to make an incredibly Lesbian-hating "farce" that affected teenaged girls trying to find out what it means to be a Lesbian, to terrorize us.
I was at SRJC at the time, and was, and am still an admirer of Ann Neel. I recall this era with admiration and a sense of pride. We were up against such long odds. Dangerous as well. Santa Rosa was a rural, conservative place at that time. So much has been accomplished as a result of Ann Neel’s courage, commitment, and intelligence. Hooray for the 70’s
Thanks to all involved for saving an important piece of Sonoma County LGBT history
So glad you liked the video!!
I gather that in the stage play, although lesbianism is implied, it's never actually stated. The author Frank Marcus intended it as a farce.
For me, the movie is a brilliant depiction of an alcoholic personality.
KANTELE on stand @ 8'13" = the National Instrument of Finland ! A unique conveyer-belt of existence, reaches to the otherworld, longlasting chordal projectiles, like a metaphysical transmitter from a personal soul to the unisoul - in unison. If you can play it. Suggest dig up a recent doc : MELVIN KANGAS (1933-2021) - the Kanteleman (very few views) 🇫🇮
Very well-done short on Sonoma County lesbian and gay history -- explaining why a particular issue mattered and how it was dealt with it -- thoughtfully and respectfully, but with unrelenting focus.
Thanks. So glad you liked the video.
wow
Great video, Eve. Brave women!
ALDRICH was a mean director, a true rockefellerian ..."KISS ME, DEADLY" says it all .. a peckinpahian poet of violence.
If you think that was bad...how do men feel after viewing the 1968 film, "The Sergeant" starring, Rod Steiger. ..It ends with a kiss and a violent suicide...
There were no positive images of gay men or lesbians. I was fired in 1965 from the San Francisco Examiner, a William Randolph Hearst enterprise, for being seem going into gay bars, though my sales of classified advertising was far above the average.