How A Sick Passenger Almost Caused A Mid-Air Collision | Egypt Air Flight 759
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This is the story of well two planes an egypt air 737-800 that was on its way from cairo to Copenhagen and a cessna 172 that was flying from Ronne in denmark to copenhagen roskilde on the danish island of zealand. By the way to all my Swedish and Danish followers i'm sorry for butchering the names of your cities, apologies in advance. At 12:32 PM UTC on the 20th of july 2014 A cessna was maintaining 4000 feet as it got in touch with swedish control. The controller in sweden asked the pilot of the cessna to squawk 7232. A squawk code allows ATC and airplanes to communicate more effectively. Each plane will be given a squawk code before takeoff and it allows ATC to see data such as airspeed, heading and speed on their displays. During this squawk code change the pilot of the cessna made a mistake, the pilot entered 7032 instead of 7232, the air traffic controller didnt notice this at first, but as the controller was being replaced by another controller the mistake was noticed and the pilot of the cessna was asked to correct the squawk code.
As the new air traffic controller started their shift the cessna approached the terminal control area of malmoe, sweden. The pilot of the cessna stayed on the heading that he was on, he believed that he had permission to cross the controlled area at 4000 feet, but unknown to him an egypt air 737 was rocketing over the southern course of sweden right towards him.
The 737 was at 8200 feet and descending. The Copenhagen approach identified the egyptian 737 on their scopes and they let the pilots of the 737 know about their positive ID.
As this happened the cessna entered the copenhagen terminal area from the malmoe terminal area. This is when things got a bit messy for the pilot of the cessna, literally. The passenger in the cessna threw up all over the cockpit. Well the pilot of the cessna wasn't having a good day, the passenger had thrown up all over his tablet and the cockpit and he was focused on the sick passenger and cleaning up the cockpit as the plane wandered deeper and deeper into the terminal control area of copenhagen. As all of this unfolded the 737 had descended down to 4000 feet. At this point both planes were on a collision course and they were closing in on eachother at 100s of knots.
In the cockpit of the 737 the pilots noticed something off to their 2 oclock, something almost stationary. As the planes got closer the pilots of the 737 realized in horror that it was another plane. On the ground the radar screen showed two blobs converging on each other. The distance between them dropped as the planes got closer within seconds the radar screen read that the distance between them was 0.0 nautical miles. Radar could no longer tell one plane apart from the other. The planes merged over the outskirts of hollviken in sweden. The pilot of the cessna instantly threw the plane into a right hand turn in order to avoid the 737 that had seemingly come out of nowhere. The pilots of the 737 radioed ATC that they had just seen a cessna pass in front of them at close range. A flight information service officer got in contact with the pilot of the cessna and demanded that he descend as soon as possible. The pilot of the cessna obliged. The rest of the flight went by without a hitch and both planes landed safely.
On the ground when the investigators went over the radar tracks for the flight they saw that the cessna’s radar track was missing a lot of crucial information like its altitude for example. The 
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The charitable interpretation is that the Cessna's transponder changed codes when puked on or when being cleaned of puke. The realistic interpretation is that the pilot simply forgot to change the mode.
And the functional safety interpretation is that it shouldn't be possible to disable mode C around busy airspace. TCAS generated an alert, so the Cessna's transponder was obviously capable of interrogating other aircraft and detecting when it was being interrogated by the ground. In that situation it shouldn't be possible to put it in mode A.
@@marc-andreservant201 Yeah, I don't understand how TCAS could have gone off if the transponder was in Mode A tbh, unless there is some technical details about some transponders which have a "wake up" function for TCAS which I'm not aware of, it doesn't make much sense.
The mode is set by a physical knob, so it's not unlikely that he turned it while wiping the dashboard or helping the passenger.
@@superj8502 on older transponders they require to be set to SBY before changing the code and then back to ON or ALT, easy to forget to switch, or to switch to ON, mode A. @Musikur TCAS will not generate RA by interrogating another Mode A, but
it will generate a TA, then it is up to the pilots to keep separation visually.
@@lukastylka i'm not saying this is what happened. All i'm saying is that it doesn't seem unlikely so let's not jump to the pilot's throat (which we shouldn't do regardless).
I love how you talk about obscure aircraft accidents and close calls
That's what I love about this channel, too! Since I watched a lot of documentaries on TV when I was young, I'm familiar with most mayor disasters. This channel, though, always provides content I did not hear of previously and still manages to discuss interesting failure scenarios.
IT IS THE BEST PART OF THE WHOLE CHANNEL! Remember the one training flight where the crew wrestled the plane back on to the ground. I'm 100% sure ATC could hear them -radio- screaming from inside the plane when they landed.
@@Sebb747 Yeah, the disasters involving the deadly mayors really are well known. We have to stop the mayors from taking over the world.
Lesson learned? .... ALWAYS have airsickness bags in your small aircraft!
This was my first thought too! Never fly without an adequate supply of puke sacks!
Also fire extinguisher. There was one serious fire in Cessna. Small fire becomes big fire. They barely landed without injuries. Most probably cause was: poor electrical maintenance. Most electricians don't have necessary basic knowledge (theoretical). Without theoretical knowledge, there is no possibility to do safe work. I know something about.
My theory is when the Cessna’s pilot was cleaning up the… “foreign matter”, he could have accidentally turned off the transponder’s alt mode.
Was thinking the same
Seems like a likely scenario
Yer and investigators sometimes forget that just because someone said something doesn’t mean that they are correct
Nope, the "alt" was off before the "puke"...
@@oscarolie5743 I was talking about him not turning it on at all
Two sets of ATC failed to ask a reasonable question because they made an assumption, according to this; "Say altitude". They also apparently didn't query the transponder mode.
If you're unsure if an targets altitude, you vector the jet away from it.
OOOOHHHHHHHhhhhhhh... dang bro!
It might have been difficult to ask those questions of the controllers. It might have been politically easier to school a 172 pilot instead.
The cause of the near miss incident was the failure of ATC to properly maintain aircraft seperation. ATC could see the cessna on the radar but assumed the planes altitude rather than confirming altitude. the Cessna's transponder was a contributing factor not the cause. Just like the L1011 that crashed in the Everglades the burnt out lightbulb on landing gear indicator was a contributing factor not the cause. the pilots failed to properly Aviate and Navigate their plane while distracted with the landing gear.
You're missing the part that the piolet of the cessna didn't call up/sign in to the new ATC. he flew into a controlled airspace.
He was also distracted by a pewcked passenger that didn't helpv
Bro, you’re killing it. Your verbal fluency is the best it’s ever been. Enjoy watching you get better, keep it up buddy
I don’t know about this one… the Cessna received exactly ZERO instruction via multiple controllers who all saw this plane (altitude or not) and also watched the plots merge on radar without notifying either aircraft OR suggesting course changes? The Cessna made a mistake, but it’s something that happens CONSTANTLY and is not a big deal - the controller will simply ask the aircraft to verify squawk code, or as far as entering the TCA unannounced “good morning November blah blah blah entering tca from southwest, say intentions” or something like that. It’s NOT a big deal.
Also when given the squawk code, pilots routinely screw it up. In the US (I assumed it was the same everywhere) the next radio transmission is usually “November 7396blah blah radar contact, 5 miles northeast of SUPRT, altimeter 29.92” just as a way of confirming correct squawk and that the controller is aware of your presence. The pilot should have noticed this as well, but if a squawk is assigned to an aircraft and they don’t obey or show up on your scope, and the controller doesn’t give a damn or follow up, they’ve ROYALLY screwed up.
Completely ignoring the traffic conflict and an unidentified aircraft in your control area AND one which is heading (eventually merging) with a known commercial contact with zero communication is absolutely absurd. This is 100% on ATC, absolutely no question about it, even after fully identifying and vectoring both aircraft away they STILL should have said “traffic 3 ‘o clock, same altitude, no factor” or something similar. NONE of the above happened at all. What’s the point of even having a radar scope and controllers if they’re watching plots merge without even keying the mic once? “Hehe look at this idiot, he’s about to crash into a commercial airliner, lolz!”
Absolutely.
Alex, you nailed it! I hope others read this... 😏
This should be the top comment.
100% facts.
Yep. atc fault. Thankfully TCAS was there
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I fee like the transponder was knocked out of alt mode when cleaned up though. It's easily done, IIRC however, but it's equally on the controllers though.
It’s all on the controllers - the pilot has MANY jobs and tasks, the controller has ONE. Pilot made a simple mistake that controllers deal with constantly, it was never clarified, neither was the traffic conflict. It seems like the controllers were literally asleep on the job.
The narrator mentions that the Swedish controllers did not have the airplane's altitude, mening the transponder was not working even before the puke event. My first reactions was also: vomit and electronics are not best friends.
@@todortodorov940 Even if the transponder was broken by the puke, the controllers should have said "Hey Cessna, what's your altitude? it's not showing up"
@@aaroncarson I agree. The ATCs where very passive in the entire story. What I was saying is that I initially made the assumption the vomit caused the technical problem - but that's not the case.
@@EstorilEm I noticed that too! He says the controller "assumed" the Cessna was in a low altitude - then later he said the Cessna wasn't where it was "supposed to be".
Well, when you assume something, that is not "supposed to be", that is just an assumption. It's worrying to know that the controller wasn't hold accountable for this one. There must never be assumptions at the ATC room.
Swedish follower here! I'm just delighted you are making a story about us!
Somalis, Arabs, Iranians and Afghans with Swedish passports are also delighted!
Your work just gets better and better! Great research. Great visuals. Great narration! Superb video!
Those cloud graphics on the new MS Flight Simulator are fantastic
Until you get a damn hot air balloon barrel rolling at Mach 2...
Wrong channel, I know, but couldn't resist...
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@@seand.g423 I get the reference. :) Lol... AFProud95, just as good as Swiss001 IMO
Dunno what's worse, cleaning up after sick passenger or cleaning up your pants after that "OH HOLY SH*T!!!!!" moment. 🤣🤦♂️🤷♂️😁
When within 52h in the cockpit you fuck up so hard that two countries have to change their flying rules, I'd also throw up ^^
In a way, it's impressive 😂
Well, the minor mistake made by the Cessna pilot exposed the major safety implications of the inadequacies of both countries ATC training, so yes, pretty impressive.
The badge was well deserved mate, top quality documentary.
He either forgot at knocked it out of alt mode. If they publicized the entire history of the track, you could see when it stopped transmitting its mode C, if it ever did.
I mean, if the guy was following the correct proceedure, he would have put the transponder into standby when he changed the squawk code, and then switched it back to ALT, he probably just didn't rotate it quite far enough. It's an easy thing to do, and in the air, he wouldn't have had any reason (checklist) to check it. But my question is WTF where the controllers doing? Why did they not query him about the fact that he was not in mode C, and never reported his altitude on any of the hand offs? It doesn't sound like even the controllers were under the impression that he was in class G or D, so he therefore must have been in controlled airspace, and they never should have let him stay there without knowing his altitude. 4000 feet is not that high for a Cessna.
If the gauges are unreadable due to uhhh.. let's say biological materials. its... just unfortunate. atc should have picked this up and req'd an ident.
No one selects stby when changing the squawk.
Or maybe it was accidentally turned while cleaning the "dashboard" idk I'm not a plane person
And on top of that, Copenhagen airport is extremely close to Malmö airspace, so it would be one of the most tightly controlled airspace’s in Denmark and Sweden. As most incidents, a lot of things went wrong at the same time…
@@airvlad777 I've been flying for 10 years, I've always done it, it's the recommended approved procedure, there might be some modern transponders which don't change until after you've selected the new number, but if you've got an old one like depicted in this video, you're supposed to set it to STBY first. Otherwise you can cause problems for ATC by cycling through another code
This was very interesting, thanks for making this video. Never heard of this incident and I am a plane buff, used to work at a major airport in Sweden.
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Thank you!
I remember an a320 transponder failing due to a spilled drink
You got a flight number for me Timothy?
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation I tried looking it up, and apparently a United Airlines flight 940 *(777-200)* had spilled coffee on an electronics panel that lead to a transponder transmitting a 7500 or something. Lol...
You really deserve a heart about ‘butchering the names of places’ love your channel, please continue
The word 'almost' is so reassuring in this type of videos...
As usual nice presentation.
Another cracking video, thank you good sir.
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IDK about this Cessna, but the last one I was in had the transponder located in front of the left knee of the right seat occupant. With the occupant of said seat blowing chunks and everything else possible, the transponder could well have been covered and dripping ugly smelly stuff. Great review as always. Looking forward to your next video.
Great narration as always 👍🏻
Wow, what a story! I don’t think I’ve ever heard about such a close call before - it’s insane how they came so few meters apart from each other! Also, I’m from Denmark and I need to go look into our history of aircraft incidents because if I hadn’t heard about this then what others am I missing? Great video and can confirm that no names were harmed in this production, lol.
Every time I see a video of yours I learn something new. I just want to say thank you for putting together such an amazing videos. Absolutely blown away and thankful for you and your channel.
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The FAA really needs to outlaw vomiting in airplanes.
FAA is for USA only.
Bruh... People will be afraid to fly, especially when vomiting aren't allowed.
@@abizair1832 just keep the mask on.
Nice explanation dude
In 2011, I was on a Philippine Airlines A340, and on holding pattern around Manila, the plane suddenly ascended. We saw out the window that the plane had to ascend to avoid a Zest Air MA60.
I had no idea about this incident, and i live in the local area. Great video as always btw :)
Nice commentary. Keep it up!
This editing is everything
Always entertaining to watch. Great video
Another fascinating video
Great vlog as always!
Reminds me of the mid-air collision over Cerritos, CA. Involving flight 498 and a Cessna I lived 3 miles away from the crash site. I was on my way to work when they had the streets blocked off and I can see bodies everywhere on the street, So sad.
Unconfirmed assumptions are almost always dangerous. Good reporting as usual!
Yes, and there were plenty of those on all sides in this. Only ones who come out looking good are the airline pilots in this case.
Excellent video again!
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Cool bro and congratulations on the channel
Thank you!
Man at least you said sorry. Early morning pictorial to contemplate. ugh. Great video though really, thanks :-p
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Great video as always
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Fun to finally hear an incident happening in my country sweden! Or like it’s not fun that something happens if you get it but it’s more interesting when it happens closer to you if you get it😅
When the TCAS gives off an alarm, it would have received a altitude from the ADSB signal from the Cessna's transponder. Without altitude TCAS or any other collision warning system is more or less useless
I was gonna ask this. Maybe the problem was with the radar station
Great job. As a pilot, the controller is supposed to verify the altitude of an aircraft entering/leaving a TCA. It would be something like “Cessna 123 radar contact, say altitude.” In response, the pilot would state his/her altitude from the altimeter and the controller would make sure it matches with what is being displayed on the scope. As the Cessna transponder was was NOT in the altitude mode ,the controller would note the lack of the corresponding data tagging the aircraft and request him/her to “squawk altitude.”
I worked at NASA/JSC and before every KC-135 flight everyone who was part of the tests were told to never drink anything red, like grape juice or koolaide. The KC-135 flew several dozen parabolas so it could experience weightlessness while descending. The constant change from 2G to 0G caused a lot of people to throw up. That’s why they named that KC-135 “The Vomit Comet”. If anyone threw up red liquid it would cut the flight short because it looks like blood.
The Apollo 13 movie with Tom Hanks was partially filmed in the KC-135 in 1995. All of the weightless scenes were filmed while flying parabolas over the Gulf.
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Great video as per usual!
I'd just like to suggest a small change to improve the readability of your text overlays: give them a slight outline in a color contrasting the actual text color (with white text, a black outline, e.g.). This can help prevent cases like at 9:47 where the "e" and the exclamation mark at the end of "subscribe!" are almost indistinguishable from the color of the plane in the footage.
I'm always looking forward to your videos, keep up the good work!
I know a couple of people who kept their phones in their back pockets and, as a result, had their phones fall in the toilet when they went to pull up their pants. One of the people's phones didn't work at all and the other person's phone only had partial problems. However, both phones worked again once they were completely dried off. Maybe a similar thing happened to the transponder on the Cessna but, by the time they tested it later, it had dried out enough (and undoubtedly been cleaned better) so that everything worked.
ATC fuckup. 100%. They should correct you instantly if they cant see your altitude - i know because thats what they've done when i've forgotten to put the xponder into alt mode.
@4:21 Bendix/King KT76A ... That brings back memories, I've repaired hundreds of the buggers.
Could you possibly do an episode on the 1976 Zagreb mid-air collision? I haven't seen any modern documentaries about it, and I would honestly like to see how you would present it.
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My dad used to own a Cessna 177RG and several times the transponder failed. Not sure why, but I remember more than once ATC letting us know it was not working.
The 177 is a newer design that the 182 but it looked a lot like the 182. It had high wings but lacked the wing strut.
I think you did good on the Swedish city of Malmö - I have heard worse :D
Regarding pronunciation, never worry about the big Scandinavian cities because several have English/Internationalized secondary names if the local name is hard: Malmo (Malmö), Copenhagen (Köpenhamn in Swedish, slightly different in the original Danish), Gothenburg (Göteborg). Stockholm doesn’t have one because it is easy to say in English. So if you are reading the international names as English, you are doing it correctly exactly as locals would do when talking in English. The only hard parts are the smaller cities/locations without any simplified/internationalized names.
So basically there is an interesting big simplification here targeting making life easier for people familiar speaking English, that is widely accepted by locals.
Fun side note, an old colleague told me that his girlfriend had been confused since she had found an second hand contract on an apartment in Göteborg and asked how far away this city was from Gothenburg. “It is the same city, it has two names…”
I think i was on the Egypt plane. Must check my passport for the date.
That collision avoidance system sounds a whole bunch like a fighter's lead-computing gun sight. Also similar would be radar-AAA or sonar-torpedo fire control.
8:57 that was a very late landing, but very buttery. Interesting video, also.
I pay for whole runway I use whole runway
Ah yes, the classic Russian way.
Ryanair could learn from that!
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd forgotten to switch it over and thought he did. I've done that when I had an old Narco Transponder in my 76 Cherokee and with those old King 76s in a few old 172s, especially after flying an aircraft that has the transponder's Altitude Reporting Mode (ALT) tied into the squat switch.
Extremely close call. TCAS is a lifesaver.
GOOD SHOW.
So why didn’t the controller just not tell the pilot of the Cessna to switch his transponder to Alt mode? It should have been obvious that , as he didn’t have the altitude of the Cessna!
Or request altitude, instead of just assuming. Never, ever assume anything in a safety-critical environment.
Heck, I learned that lesson when I was learning to ride a bicycle in traffic at an age in single digits! An ATC controller should have it foremost in their mind all the time.
If their data block for the Cessna is not showing altitude, ASK, don't assume.
This perfectly demonstrates that the only stupid question is the one you didn't ask!
Any small aircraft may be flown by a very low hours pilot who is struggling with something - unfamiliarity with a particular avionics suite despite being checked on type, riding the vomit commit of an airsick passenger, unfamiliarity with the area, or any combination of those or a few others.
@@phillee2814 the thing about assuming altitude truly baffled me. Yeah it's a Cessna and they mostly fly low because scenic flying and all, but seriously?! I mean, even on online flight simming networks where nothing is at stake the controllers will always remind you to turn your transponder on. ... I cannot get over that, they ASSUMED they wouldn't be a factor? Holy shit, I hope all those involved got a good dressing down for that and further training.
Excess moisture wreaks havok with electronics. As a former mid level employee of an Aerospace manufacturer, making parts to spec is crucial, and observing all the times assemblies were allowed to ship from the factory after bring failed by quality control is the main reason to this day I will not fly.
It's amazing how close some of these flights come to disaster. All this one took was one thing going *right* to prevent said disaster.
In your videos you seem to love long landings ;)
You should do Air France 447 at some point. My blood pressure skyrockets every time I hear about that flight because it's easily one of the stupidest crashes in history, and it touches on the pilot vs. automation discourse that you discuss pretty often.
Flight instructor here with over 1000 hours of experience teaching people how to fly Cessnas so I’ve seen all the mistakes in the book.
Less experienced pilots make these mistakes all the time when flying. However, these are very minor and if you are in controlled airspace the controller should very quickly correct these mistakes. The most common mistake with almost anyone is forgetting to turn their transponder on before taking off because it’s not supposed to be turned on until cleared for takeoff out of a controlled airport. Therefore it’s a high stress situation for a less experienced pilot after he is cleared for takeoff and forgets to turn his transponder on. However, every time you enter controlled airspace or take off into controlled airspace IT IS VITAL that the controller identifies you and notifies you that you are radar identified. This includes altitude encoding. If it’s the wrong squawk code, or there’s nothing, or there’s no altitude encoding it is 100% ATCs responsibility to notify you to remedy the problem if able. While it’s less common for people to accidentally put the transponder in ON mode rather than ALT mode because ON mode is never used (because why would you if you got altitude encoding?), it still does happen because the settings are right next to each other. Usually transponders are designed so that the ALT setting is farthest to the right so you can just turn the knob all the way to the right without thinking, however some like the one shown in the video have the test setting on the far right so you can’t do that, and therefore more mistakes arise when switching to the ALT setting from SBY. That is what I assume happened with this guy. He could have taken off from and uncontrolled airport in the ON setting and never got notified of the problem.
While it is always the PICs responsibility in VFR flying to maintain traffic avoidance, it is ATCs responsibility to provide traffic avoidance information when necessary and IT IS ATC RESPONSIBILITY to maintain traffic avoidance for IFR traffic which I assume the 737 was, and they clearly failed at doing that.
If that is all the information, ATC is 95-100% at fault for this incident. Just straight incompetence.
I guess sometimes when u put the 172's xpdr to Alt mode it dont actually activate that mode, it happened to me before on one of my training flights.
Wohh that is stunning graphics, what flight sim is used to provide the video?
It looks like Flight Simulator.
Looking at the picture of the transponder, the first obvious issue that the pilot can simply be confused about what settings it was in since they are very close. I have no clue about the cockpit layout but if it is for example a bit down to the side, pilot glance at the instrument could easily be mistaken.
With the caveat that I’m not a pilot but looking it as a design question, the knob seems to violate good user interface design. Disabling the altimeter is a rare thing I imagine, so it doesn’t have to be on the main dial. Test certainly doesn’t have to be on the main dial. So the rarely used special modes could be moved away to harder to engage buttons.
Maybe a second interface harder to change between unusual alternative mode operations that normally never change between flights; NonAlt, Alt, Tst. That interface could be harder to access and beneath protective plastic so it never can be accessed unintentionally. So, bad human user interface design could be contributing factor to the incident.
So: Too easy to be in wrong mode and mistake it once glancing at the instrument, that’s my main guess.
As for secondary guesses:
I’m presuming accident investigators did check how good the dial is, not just if it works when set properly. So there’s no way getting into a unclear half-set somewhere in between two settings where it would be unclear or glitchy if it is in ON or ALT. I would presume it is build to provide a very clear tactile response and not have any unclear “in-between” states?
As we have a passenger involved, another question is if the passenger could accidentally switch it if it is to easily changed. Or if wiping off puke from the cockpit is sufficient to change the setting (but the puking occurred much later than the drop of altimeter info?)
i went up w/ a buddy in his cessna, and suddenly, I was stricken w/ airsickness. Never happened before. I dry heaved and held it, convinced myself I would swallow it before letting anything loose. As soon as we landed, I went inside, and let it goooo, let it goooo. my pilot buddy was super impressed.
I simply do not believe the Cessna pilot, he forgot to put his transponder in ALT mode, and doesn't wanna be in trouble so claimed it was correctly configured and it failed.
where's that bias come from? some GA pilot? radar returns (not transponder) should have given sufficient warning to ATC.
@@1rbdfl Not a pilot lol, the main reason is that the transponder tested ok after the incident, so I do not believe that it was properly configured during the incident. I am only talking about the pilot claiming the transponder mode failed during the flight, sure ATC could have done more.
@@jacobwarren1498 The pilot may also have genuinely believed it was correctly set. As there is no requirement for a non-commercial light aircraft under VFR to carry a mode C transponder at all, the pilot would not have been in any kind of trouble for failing to select altitude mode. This was primarily a controller cock-up.
@@davemould4638 Now that's a good point! I didn't even consider that no requirement
And I simply cannot believe that an air traffic controller would ASSUME the altitude of an aircraft and not held accountable for a near miss.
Very worrying, indeed.
When you say Terminal Control Area are you meaning a Class "B" airspace?
The controller(s) should have asked about the 172's altitude. The new controller should have queried.
Student pilot…that brings it home. Good one!
Did that 737 in FS absolutely need to use the ENTIRE runway to land???? LMAO .....Good video still
2:58
"the distance between them dropped, as they got closer and closer."
yes, this is how distance works
What year was this?? I live right next to Malmö and I’ve lived here for 12+ years. Never heard about this though. I see the jets every day
"When they tested the equipment, they found no faults with it."
Other than being covered in vomit, that is.
You = awesome!
9:00
Was EgyptAir trying to land on the other runway aiming point markings ???
Having been in a near miss, I bet that 737 looked to him to be as big as an aircraft carrier.
Here's perspective.
.05 NM is 300 feet (American football field).
737 is 110 feet long with 112 foot wingspan.
How could TCAS work without the altitude broadcast on the transponder?
I hope you will do a video about Japan Airlines Flight 1628 at some point.
Why did they only achieve a separation of 90 m despite TCAS had been activated? Does it include vertical separation?
Was the puking verified? Cause I keep thinking, what if he lied about the puke as an excuse? I require proof of puke.
I imagine whoever met the pilot on the ground to ask what had happened could simply *smell* it.
@@nnelg8139 also probably see it too.
In all those small gaps and hard to reach places.
idk the last time you've dealt with puke, but it does NOT come out of anything easily. And the smell... Ohhhhh, the smell *lingers,* fam. And to think of all the crevices there are in a Cessna... Yeah, no, it wouldn't've been a 5-minute cleanup job. By the time someone got there to question the pilot, there'd be evidence everywhere.
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 That's exactly why I carry barf bags in my purse at all times. You're right though, it'd be pretty obvious in a cessna
@@koharumi1 and on the floor too as I don't think they had time to clean puke when they were flying
My thought is that the Cessna pilot didn't have the transponder in ALT until he was on the ground, when he then switched to ALT mode. Just a guess, I don't know much about those involved or what happened, but a one time transponder malfunction seems less likely than it not being in the correct mode. He already made one transponder mistake entering his squwak code. I can't blame him for the ALT mode mistake, I wouldn't want to touch a puke covered ALT switch either!! 🤢🤮😖
I love your videos, great job!!
Is that an accurate scale representation of the vertical stabilizer on that 737!?
Mandate air sickness bags on all aircraft, and include in pre-flight safety brief a statement that passengers near the pilot should grab one the instant their tummy starts turning, even if they think they don't need one.
I say this even though it's more likely the Cessna pilot just messed up with the setting.
I wonder if the transponder knob got turned while the control panel was being cleaned. It’s also possible that the Cessna pilot was mistaken about having set the transponder to “alt” mode.
With only 52 flight hours for the pilot, I'd guess the latter...
The moisture from passenger sickness on the instruments is my guess why there's missing data.
"The unexpected is expected."