been waiting for the full length... seems you working on a backlog based off there being like 5 episodes of the bear dropping in a week lol. just used to patreon being ahead on most shows not actually behind the yt releases
Giving the Cloister Bell a mention, the sound the TARDIS was making right at the cliffhanger, warns of Universe ending events was first heard in the Tom Baker era in 1981. This is the first time it has been heard in the new series.
One thing I really noticed on rewatch here is that Donna’s mum comes across as this really tough domineering figure but once the world goes to hell she’s the FIRST to give up while Donna and Wilf try to remain hopeful. Donna not listening to her Mum putting her down that one time saved the world, who knew 🤷🏼♂️
Oh the end of the episode gives me *chills* specifically right at the end where The Doctor is asking Donna 'what did she say', leading into the Bad Wolf reveal. Wilf's line about "Labour camps, that's what they called them last time." is just a gut punch.
The Asian fortune teller woman who puts the bug on Donna's back is the same actress who plays Chantho (the alien lady & master's assistant) in Utopia, the episode where the master regains his memories & returns.
Dr. Who LOVES awesome actors who are character actors who know enough theatre to switch-up with the make-up and prostethetics. IE, Peter Capaldi and Amy both being different characters in the same episode only to be very important later on. 😊. There's some awesome Dr. canon to explain it all.
The beetle is said to be part of the Trickster's brigade. The Trickster was recently namechecked as being part of the same pantheon that Maestro and Sutekh belong to and originally a recurring villain in the spin-off series The Sarah Jane Adventures which was aimed at younger audiences.
Rose possessed by heart of TARDIS is the Bad Wolf. She creates herself. She spreads the words throughout time and space as a message to herself. I think it is cool and makes sense that Bad Wolf would exist in the points in their stream beyond the Eccleston “Parting of the Ways” episode.
Yes, I love the idea that Rose as the Bad Wolf, having all of time and space in her head, saw those moments agead and placed the signs there, knowing the Doctor, in the context of his personal timeline, woukd understand the message. Rose looking after her Doctor throughout time and space
Donna's dad Geoff Noble was played by Howard Attfield in The Runaway Bride and it was originally planned for him to return in this season, he even filmed the allotment scenes for Partners In Crime. However he was terminally ill and sadly passed early into production of the season. RTD recast British comedy legend Bernard Cribbins as Donna's grandfather (I don't remember if this was the plan when he appeared in Voyage of the Damned but I don't think so). There are a few slight references to Sylvia (Jacqueline King) and Donna being recently bereaved, but this episode really tracks Sylvia's descent into utter hopeless grief, despair and depression. She's probably the harshest of the 'companion mums' so far, but this episode really made me feel for her.
@@OldManFerdiad I feel like there’s a generational trauma situation going on with Sylvia. She’s very insecure and she takes it out on Donna, in the runaway bride Donna acts very much like Sylvia until she meets the doctor and Wilf moves in. It makes my think Sylvia probably had a mother just like she is to Donna or worse.
@@Look_Over_There totally agree. I do genuinely think Sylvia loves her family, but maybe hasn't learned how to express that. She does worry about Donna, but it expresses as nagging and criticism.
@@OldManFerdiad You’re right, it was not their plan when he appeared in Voyage of the Damned, but fortunately they were able to just make him the same character instead of an identical cousin or whatever. The character even had a different name, but since we didn’t learn his name in the episode it didn’t matter.
@@notallwhowanderarelost4797 I love that they did incorporate that into the narrative, even making it a point here when the Doctor notes that he met Donna, then Wilf, then Donna again, like he couldn't quite escape her social orbit.
If you remember the Pompeii episode, Lucius prophesied to the "daughter of London" that "there is something on your back." Taking big breaks will mean you'll miss out on references they've been laying down throughout the season. Will be a much bigger deal in the next season.
In seasons 3 & 4, they dealt with the tight filming schedule by giving us “Love and Monsters” & “Blink” where neither the doc nor the companion was utilized. Going forward they started splitting them up- giving us both a companion lite episode (ie “Midnight”) and a doctor lite episode (like this one). “There’s something on your back” has been coming up since the Pompei episode. I’m glad a reactor finally included a reaction to the glass of water joke - one of my favorites.
Donna is the ultimate companion in my opinion; she's had such a rough go at it and still wants to do nothing other than traveling the universe. She's in it for the right reasons, not just because she likes the Doctor. I appreciate Rose and love Martha but Donna just has this beautiful character arc and is absolutely my favourite companion
You know that Donna was filming this at the same time that the Doctor was filming Midnight. Chan, also the weird fortune teller was also the Masters assistant, tho
This episode was "Doctor-lite" and last episode was "companion-lite," and they were double-banking episodes, shot at the same time to help maintain the production schedule.
A big part of Brexit was based on rhetoric around immigration and racism, so you shouldn't feel bad in making that link. But, there were lots of over factors, such as David Cameron's government cutting a huge amount of public spending and making people lives feel measurably worse, and people rejecting the government's position of remain in the referendum as protest. Euro-scepticism has been a big part of UK media discourse for decades, mainly pushed by secretly funded right wing lobby groups based on Tufton Street in Westminster, such as the Institute of Economic Affairs. There's also an argument that the online rhetoric was amplified by Russia in order to weaken the UK and EU.
When you two get to Matt Smith, you will be locked in even more. Let alone Peter Capaldi. That’s the pinnacle. Enjoying you all watching these for the first time. Keep going, gentlemen.
NOW I can finally eat lunch! LOL!! Yep, I think it's worthy of its franchise ranking and score! I feel for #TurnLeft the way most people champion #Midnight!!! THANKS for this!!! (ON THE WAY TO MICROWAVE.....)
Just to let you know so you don't accidentally skip to season 5 You have 2 more episodes then theres another 5 which are classed as specials but also season 4 still depending on what your watching them on (christmas and Easter) episodes.
This episode was basically paired off with the previous one so they could save time by filming two episodes, one with each of the main cast, at the same time.
I will never, ever forget the first time I watched this episode. Seeing the Doctor realize who it was that Donna met in that parallel world was heart wrenching. I cannot WAIT for the next two episodes. I’m joining the Patreon right now so I can watch them early.
when I heard Donna say, "Bad Wolf", I lost my mind. This was not spoiled for me so I was so happy to see that thread is not dead. This episode is one of the best of New Who. Im not a Rose fan but I still love her role in this episode, playing a sort of Doctor. Donna is my second fav companion so this run is one of the best in the show imo. I can't wait until you get to my fav companion 🙈
One of my favourite episodes of all time! We get to see how much the Doctor has changed Donna, as well as how much the universe depends on him, with a heavy dose of political allegory thrown in for good measure. The acting from Bernard Cribbins (Wilf) in the 'labour camp' scene is nothing short of phenomenal, and as a WWII vet himself, you can tell there was so much emotional weight behind his performance.
I got chills the 3rd or 4th or 5th time when Donna said "Bad Wolf". (Can you tell this is one of my faves? Looking forward to the deep dive on this episode, it's got to be a mind bender.)
If you remember when the Doctor first met Donna she has absolutely no recollection of all these bigs space related events happening in the past. The star, the hospital, the Daleks. It’s a throwaway line in that episode but it ties back. Also, in the Pompeii episode the seer says she has something on her back. That’s a recurring scene for Donna - referring to her existence across time influenced by this episode
Theres a tiny reference in the episode that the bug thing is related to the Trickster, a pretty cool Sarah Jane Adventures villain. Some of her cast of characters are also mentioned to have perished at the Hospital.
One of my favorite thing about this episode that I like (other than Catherine Tate’s performance), is that even though each alien threat was stopped it cost a different companion each time. Martha, Sarah Jane and the children she worked with, Captain Jack. It shows his many lives the Doctor saves by being there.
except this one was done right. ruby being alone her whole life because her older self was a troll scaring the pants off everyone by telling them how dull and ordinary ruby is as a person? thats kinda messed up.... i mean we never find out what old ruby says but its enough to make her mom abandon her and we find out the only thing special about ruby is that shes so ordinary that the audience hyped up the non existent mystery around her abandonment.
The Beatle on Donna's back is a callback to Sarah Jane Smith being the victim of a possessed giant spider on her back in the famous Dr. Who serial "Planet of the Spiders" which was the Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee's) final story. David Tennant was mostly unavailable during the filming of this episode I'm glad Donna got to do her own story but I was never a big fan of Doctor lite episodes so it's one of those episodes I don't often go back too.
I have always loved the "what would the world look like without you in it" trope, a la It's a Wonderful Life. And, even though it's Doctor-light, this might be my favorite episode of NuWho of all time. Catherine Tate knocks it out of the park. And just to let you know, that wasn't Lauren Velez as the maid...it was her twin sister.
So.... a couple of things: 1.) Donna is a different kind of companion because in the first time in a long time, she is the first one that is there for the journey and the friendship and she has become the Doctor's best friend because she doesnt demand anything from him. Especially, if you remember at the end of "Midnight", after the Doctor survived the tram ride, she was there and gave him all he needed: a hug and an ear. 2.) Bad Wolf - We found out who and what Bad Wolf was at the end of Season 1. Rose is the Bad Wolf.
It was one of the darkest and heartbresking episodes ever. Showing what would happen to the world and his faithful companions if the Doctor was not around. And a great prelude to the amazing two-part finale.
Ive been thinking about this episode a lot since the devils chord. "what are you" very similar to this episode at the end. and how 73 yards is kind similar to this story as a what if... ok whoever rose was had everyone shook..... i have to think the original plan for Ruby was that she was Sutekh... how else could we explain everyone being so terrified? so now my head canon is RTD initially planned Ruby to be Sutekh but Millie was so likeable and adorable that we just couldnt pull the trigger on that one so they re-wrote that part of the story and gave us a lack luster ending to the Ruby Sunday mystery and equally a weak end to Sutekh himself.
If nothing else Donna proves herself as a top tier companion, it only takes so much going back to see how important she’s meant to be - even the admiration on River’s face in the library when she realizes it’s Donna Noble she’s meeting. The fact that we haven’t even reached the peak of her yet is the best part, 2 more episodes and about 5 post season specials before this season technically ends.
What I always liked about RTD is that he made a cohesive universe that kept building for 4 seasons, even without the spin offs he would still build upon previous seasons. Even here there's a mention of the Trickster aka "god of traps" in the new Ncuti era (and a great SJA villain, that NEEDS to come back) So despite current criticism of "wokeness" and stuff, I hope season 14 is just the start of that again and future seasons get bigger. You couldn't do this episode or the finale to season 4 as a stand-alone thing and I feel that and the Tennant-Tate duo is why most feel season 4 is near perfect.
@Syntell Yep, #IronMan was just coming out! We #Whovians were seeing it in the theater and then coming back home to get our minds blown from the telly!!!! And of course what you said applies to both #ClassicWho and the next two parts of this three-parter! #Whoinverse: Hold my drink, #MCU !!!! :) I'm off now to pray you will post reactions to #DoctorWho S4x12 and S4x13 on Friday and Sunday, respectively! :)
Wait! Sutekh kinda looks like a emaciated wolf, he was hidden around the TARDIS when Rose got power over life and death and she called herself Bad Wolf. What if she was able to see him!
Only problem with the addition of the element of sutekh is that he would have been completely destroyed by the FLUX! Even the time vortex energy couldn’t touch the power of the FLUX!
73 yards is a spiritual sequel to this episode with a companion on their own in a dark timeline where the doctor is gone and having to save the world on their own.
is it even though? was just thinking about 73 yards today and its pissing me off even more lol. its so BAD!!!!! like i thought it was decent.. until the Ruby reveal ruined it. Ive heard people say the lack of explanation at the end of 73 yards is what makes it work. but we find out in the end the old woman scaring the ever living CRAP out of people.... its just older Ruby making people petrified of her. Basically torturing ruby her whole life by making everyone she ever gets close to, even her own mother, even kate.... abandon her.. and what could she have possibly said that was so bad that it scared everyone? that her mom disowned her? "shes ordinary" or "shes been traveling with the Egyptian god of death who will bring about the end of all life" either way none of that would make your mom abandon you like that..... this episode does a much better job of showing how an ordinary person can make a difference. one simple choice. dont meet the doctor, the doctor dies because you werent there to help him snap out of a moment of anger and rage, everything changes
73 yeards is nothing like turn left, dont sully turn left. Turn was cleverly doen and thought out. 73 yards was so full on inconsistencies and lazy writing with no real point.
@@SoTOreo if you spent maybe a moment to think about the episode instead of criticizing it based only on the face value, you'd realize why everyone reacted to the old woman like they did. The old woman Ruby and young Ruby are creating, entangled in, and the result of a paradox. I'd imagine that coming face to face with the very center of a paradox would be too much for the human mind to handle. I'd also imagine that a paradox is fragile, and needs to defend it's stability. Ergo, an inexplicable but overwhelming urge to _get the hell away from her._
30:00 Yes! RTD did crossovers before the MCU and I think he pulled it off in a tidier way than Disney has imo. When these episodes first aired I was watching DW and Torchwood, and occasionally some Sarah Jane Adventures. Hearing all the side character's deaths on the news in this episode was crazy!
I knew you guys wouldn’t like this one quite as much as some people do, because this episode is all Donna. For people who love Donna, it’s one of the best episodes of all time- I know you like her more than you used to, but you don’t fangirl over her like most of us… 😂
Why are you calling this Doctor Who Disney? This wasn't ran by Disney until the Gatwa era. This is owned completely by the british broadcasting corporation.
You know what I do as soon as it goes waaahhhowwww at the end and it has next I go 4x skip speed on my tv so I don't have to watch next times. So far I'm enjoying Chib's, because there aren't any damn next time's and his first couple of stories.
I hated this episode when it first aired but I’ve grown to appreciate it more on reflection. Be interesting to see how you feel about it at the end of this season.
Ok, I got the Golden Child reference! 🤣 Wait Flashpoint/The Flash, sorry, that's DC not Marvel. Thou hath Blasphemed!!! 🤣 Oh now I can say, back in Fires of Pompeii, remember the clairvoyant daughter was telling Donna she saw something on her back!! And yes, grandad Wilf is priceless! Momma Sylvia, she irks me too. She suuuuucks, in this ep.
Bad Wolf Vatican Cameos Funky Town ..... You hear someone say any of these phrases = Battle Stations. Sh*t's about to get real. (And yes, I brought back SuperWhoLock for this comment. 😁)
Have you seen Rekkai's (NupeFromDaVille) deep dive into this episode? - ruclips.net/video/Ab2FBV2k2V4/видео.html
been waiting for the full length... seems you working on a backlog based off there being like 5 episodes of the bear dropping in a week lol. just used to patreon being ahead on most shows not actually behind the yt releases
Yep!!!
Giving the Cloister Bell a mention, the sound the TARDIS was making right at the cliffhanger, warns of Universe ending events was first heard in the Tom Baker era in 1981. This is the first time it has been heard in the new series.
@@josefschiltz2192 oh, that's cool, I didn't know that before! Thanks for sharing!
@@Persewna4 I don't know how familiar you are with the classic series, but if you want, I can tell you the episode?
One thing I really noticed on rewatch here is that Donna’s mum comes across as this really tough domineering figure but once the world goes to hell she’s the FIRST to give up while Donna and Wilf try to remain hopeful. Donna not listening to her Mum putting her down that one time saved the world, who knew 🤷🏼♂️
Well said 👏🏽
She’s always bullied Donna, it’s why she has the feeling of being unworthy.
Oh the end of the episode gives me *chills* specifically right at the end where The Doctor is asking Donna 'what did she say', leading into the Bad Wolf reveal.
Wilf's line about "Labour camps, that's what they called them last time." is just a gut punch.
The Asian fortune teller woman who puts the bug on Donna's back is the same actress who plays Chantho (the alien lady & master's assistant) in Utopia, the episode where the master regains his memories & returns.
I was about to say that, glad I checked before repeating. :)
Dr. Who LOVES awesome actors who are character actors who know enough theatre to switch-up with the make-up and prostethetics. IE, Peter Capaldi and Amy both being different characters in the same episode only to be very important later on. 😊. There's some awesome Dr. canon to explain it all.
This is why Donna is my favorite of the Doctor's companions in this era. Also, Catherine Tate really nailed it.
The beetle is said to be part of the Trickster's brigade. The Trickster was recently namechecked as being part of the same pantheon that Maestro and Sutekh belong to and originally a recurring villain in the spin-off series The Sarah Jane Adventures which was aimed at younger audiences.
The reveal of "Bad Wolf" at the end always gives me goosebumps.
Rose possessed by heart of TARDIS is the Bad Wolf. She creates herself. She spreads the words throughout time and space as a message to herself. I think it is cool and makes sense that Bad Wolf would exist in the points in their stream beyond the Eccleston “Parting of the Ways” episode.
Yes, I love the idea that Rose as the Bad Wolf, having all of time and space in her head, saw those moments agead and placed the signs there, knowing the Doctor, in the context of his personal timeline, woukd understand the message. Rose looking after her Doctor throughout time and space
Donna's dad Geoff Noble was played by Howard Attfield in The Runaway Bride and it was originally planned for him to return in this season, he even filmed the allotment scenes for Partners In Crime. However he was terminally ill and sadly passed early into production of the season. RTD recast British comedy legend Bernard Cribbins as Donna's grandfather (I don't remember if this was the plan when he appeared in Voyage of the Damned but I don't think so).
There are a few slight references to Sylvia (Jacqueline King) and Donna being recently bereaved, but this episode really tracks Sylvia's descent into utter hopeless grief, despair and depression. She's probably the harshest of the 'companion mums' so far, but this episode really made me feel for her.
@@OldManFerdiad I feel like there’s a generational trauma situation going on with Sylvia. She’s very insecure and she takes it out on Donna, in the runaway bride Donna acts very much like Sylvia until she meets the doctor and Wilf moves in. It makes my think Sylvia probably had a mother just like she is to Donna or worse.
@@Look_Over_There totally agree. I do genuinely think Sylvia loves her family, but maybe hasn't learned how to express that. She does worry about Donna, but it expresses as nagging and criticism.
@@OldManFerdiad You’re right, it was not their plan when he appeared in Voyage of the Damned, but fortunately they were able to just make him the same character instead of an identical cousin or whatever. The character even had a different name, but since we didn’t learn his name in the episode it didn’t matter.
@@notallwhowanderarelost4797 I love that they did incorporate that into the narrative, even making it a point here when the Doctor notes that he met Donna, then Wilf, then Donna again, like he couldn't quite escape her social orbit.
Yessss. These next few episodes are LEGIT. Hopefully the reactions come quick lol
3 show finale. Just wonderful!
The "something on your back" bit resembles classic era story Planet of the Spiders, when Sarah Jane has a giant spider riding around on her back.
If you remember the Pompeii episode, Lucius prophesied to the "daughter of London" that "there is something on your back."
Taking big breaks will mean you'll miss out on references they've been laying down throughout the season. Will be a much bigger deal in the next season.
In seasons 3 & 4, they dealt with the tight filming schedule by giving us “Love and Monsters” & “Blink” where neither the doc nor the companion was utilized. Going forward they started splitting them up- giving us both a companion lite episode (ie “Midnight”) and a doctor lite episode (like this one).
“There’s something on your back” has been coming up since the Pompei episode.
I’m glad a reactor finally included a reaction to the glass of water joke - one of my favorites.
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Finally. What a dark masterpiece this is.
Correct word!
Oh boy. This episode. Cannot wait to watch the reaction when I get a moment this afternoon.
You probably recognised the fortune teller as Chipo Chung, who played the beetle alien Chantho (assistant to Professor Yama) in Utopia.
Yes!!! I knew it but she was ALSO The Master in "Into the Badlands"
NO! THANKS!!!
I did not clock that, cool!
Chan, she played her roles so well, tho.
@@channyh.221B LOLOLOLOL
Donna is the ultimate companion in my opinion; she's had such a rough go at it and still wants to do nothing other than traveling the universe. She's in it for the right reasons, not just because she likes the Doctor. I appreciate Rose and love Martha but Donna just has this beautiful character arc and is absolutely my favourite companion
FYI: These episodes have nothing to do with Disney. They don't even air on Disney.
And now... here. We. Go!!!
We gonna be needing the next 2 episodes asap 😅
You know that Donna was filming this at the same time that the Doctor was filming Midnight. Chan, also the weird fortune teller was also the Masters assistant, tho
This is one of my all time favourite episodes 😍🇬🇧
This episode was "Doctor-lite" and last episode was "companion-lite," and they were double-banking episodes, shot at the same time to help maintain the production schedule.
Hi guys. What I really enjoy is your post discussions. How you always give me a different perspective on each episode.
Remember in the Pompeii episode, the seer told her there was something on her back. 😳
Rocco Colasanto did a phenomenal job acting, that whole labour camp scene is so brilliantly subtle. Glad to have had such messaging in kids tv shows.
Billie Piper killed it.
A big part of Brexit was based on rhetoric around immigration and racism, so you shouldn't feel bad in making that link. But, there were lots of over factors, such as David Cameron's government cutting a huge amount of public spending and making people lives feel measurably worse, and people rejecting the government's position of remain in the referendum as protest. Euro-scepticism has been a big part of UK media discourse for decades, mainly pushed by secretly funded right wing lobby groups based on Tufton Street in Westminster, such as the Institute of Economic Affairs. There's also an argument that the online rhetoric was amplified by Russia in order to weaken the UK and EU.
There were also various liars such as Boris Johnson who promised money to the NHS, literally printed it on the side of a bus.
Glad to find this channel. Enjoy the ride.❤❤
When you two get to Matt Smith, you will be locked in even more. Let alone Peter Capaldi. That’s the pinnacle. Enjoying you all watching these for the first time. Keep going, gentlemen.
Donna is an "ordinary" woman who is very important.
NOW I can finally eat lunch! LOL!!
Yep, I think it's worthy of its franchise ranking and score! I feel for #TurnLeft the way most people champion #Midnight!!!
THANKS for this!!!
(ON THE WAY TO MICROWAVE.....)
Just to let you know so you don't accidentally skip to season 5
You have 2 more episodes then theres another 5 which are classed as specials but also season 4 still depending on what your watching them on (christmas and Easter) episodes.
Yes! “Specials” are often categorized in ways that make them easy to miss and/or hard to tell where they fit in - very annoying.
This episode was basically paired off with the previous one so they could save time by filming two episodes, one with each of the main cast, at the same time.
Yes, they had “double banking” episodes in several seasons and some of them turned out to be many people’s favorites.
I will never, ever forget the first time I watched this episode. Seeing the Doctor realize who it was that Donna met in that parallel world was heart wrenching. I cannot WAIT for the next two episodes. I’m joining the Patreon right now so I can watch them early.
Sylvia: “You think you’ll meet a man and your whoole life will be different”
Us: Spoilers!
😂
The US and the UK do have each others backs. Keep in mind they’ve joined us in pretty much every fight we’ve started.
I think this one of the all-time greats of Doctor Who episodes, carried in no small part by the wonderful Catherine Tate.
Great reaction! This is certainly in my favourite 3 episodes, possibly even number 1.
when I heard Donna say, "Bad Wolf", I lost my mind. This was not spoiled for me so I was so happy to see that thread is not dead. This episode is one of the best of New Who. Im not a Rose fan but I still love her role in this episode, playing a sort of Doctor. Donna is my second fav companion so this run is one of the best in the show imo. I can't wait until you get to my fav companion 🙈
3:24 Jamie Foxx did do his impression of Denzel in front of him.
Can't wait to see your next reactions you have a great journey ahead
honestly my favourite episode in this season and maybe a lot of the other seasons
Haha love the golden child reference 👍i i i want the knife....... please
This was also referred to by fans when discussing 73 Yards. David was filming Midnight so would not be appearing much.
One of my favourite episodes of all time! We get to see how much the Doctor has changed Donna, as well as how much the universe depends on him, with a heavy dose of political allegory thrown in for good measure. The acting from Bernard Cribbins (Wilf) in the 'labour camp' scene is nothing short of phenomenal, and as a WWII vet himself, you can tell there was so much emotional weight behind his performance.
I got chills the 3rd or 4th or 5th time when Donna said "Bad Wolf". (Can you tell this is one of my faves? Looking forward to the deep dive on this episode, it's got to be a mind bender.)
If you remember when the Doctor first met Donna she has absolutely no recollection of all these bigs space related events happening in the past. The star, the hospital, the Daleks. It’s a throwaway line in that episode but it ties back.
Also, in the Pompeii episode the seer says she has something on her back. That’s a recurring scene for Donna - referring to her existence across time influenced by this episode
Oh how we've missed this!!!!
BAD WOLF!!!
i am so excited... this is my favorite episode of this season... and top 5 of ALL Doctor Who
Theres a tiny reference in the episode that the bug thing is related to the Trickster, a pretty cool Sarah Jane Adventures villain. Some of her cast of characters are also mentioned to have perished at the Hospital.
One of my favorite thing about this episode that I like (other than Catherine Tate’s performance), is that even though each alien threat was stopped it cost a different companion each time. Martha, Sarah Jane and the children she worked with, Captain Jack. It shows his many lives the Doctor saves by being there.
73 yards reminded me of this episode. Many years since i saw it, but it's strong enough to stick in memory!
except this one was done right. ruby being alone her whole life because her older self was a troll scaring the pants off everyone by telling them how dull and ordinary ruby is as a person? thats kinda messed up.... i mean we never find out what old ruby says but its enough to make her mom abandon her and we find out the only thing special about ruby is that shes so ordinary that the audience hyped up the non existent mystery around her abandonment.
The Beatle on Donna's back is a callback to Sarah Jane Smith being the victim of a possessed giant spider on her back in the famous Dr. Who serial "Planet of the Spiders" which was the Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee's) final story.
David Tennant was mostly unavailable during the filming of this episode I'm glad Donna got to do her own story but I was never a big fan of Doctor lite episodes so it's one of those episodes I don't often go back too.
The names from the news Maria Jackson and Clyde Langer are from Sarah Jane Adventures the spin off with Sarah Jane smith
Love this story
The Fortuneteller actress is the same actress who played Chantho in the Martha/Jack episode "Utopia" (Where we see the Master as Doctor Yana.)
I have always loved the "what would the world look like without you in it" trope, a la It's a Wonderful Life. And, even though it's Doctor-light, this might be my favorite episode of NuWho of all time. Catherine Tate knocks it out of the park.
And just to let you know, that wasn't Lauren Velez as the maid...it was her twin sister.
Actually Doctor Who is Earth 5556 of the Marvel Multiverse.
So.... a couple of things:
1.) Donna is a different kind of companion because in the first time in a long time, she is the first one that is there for the journey and the friendship and she has become the Doctor's best friend because she doesnt demand anything from him. Especially, if you remember at the end of "Midnight", after the Doctor survived the tram ride, she was there and gave him all he needed: a hug and an ear.
2.) Bad Wolf - We found out who and what Bad Wolf was at the end of Season 1. Rose is the Bad Wolf.
It was one of the darkest and heartbresking episodes ever. Showing what would happen to the world and his faithful companions if the Doctor was not around. And a great prelude to the amazing two-part finale.
It reminded me of "It's a wonderful life". I like to think it was a hommage to that movie with a little twist
Ive been thinking about this episode a lot since the devils chord. "what are you" very similar to this episode at the end. and how 73 yards is kind similar to this story as a what if... ok whoever rose was had everyone shook..... i have to think the original plan for Ruby was that she was Sutekh... how else could we explain everyone being so terrified? so now my head canon is RTD initially planned Ruby to be Sutekh but Millie was so likeable and adorable that we just couldnt pull the trigger on that one so they re-wrote that part of the story and gave us a lack luster ending to the Ruby Sunday mystery and equally a weak end to Sutekh himself.
If nothing else Donna proves herself as a top tier companion, it only takes so much going back to see how important she’s meant to be - even the admiration on River’s face in the library when she realizes it’s Donna Noble she’s meeting. The fact that we haven’t even reached the peak of her yet is the best part, 2 more episodes and about 5 post season specials before this season technically ends.
What I always liked about RTD is that he made a cohesive universe that kept building for 4 seasons, even without the spin offs he would still build upon previous seasons. Even here there's a mention of the Trickster aka "god of traps" in the new Ncuti era (and a great SJA villain, that NEEDS to come back) So despite current criticism of "wokeness" and stuff, I hope season 14 is just the start of that again and future seasons get bigger. You couldn't do this episode or the finale to season 4 as a stand-alone thing and I feel that and the Tennant-Tate duo is why most feel season 4 is near perfect.
Hells to the yeah 😁😁here we gooooo 💯👍👍👍
@Syntell Yep, #IronMan was just coming out! We #Whovians were seeing it in the theater and then coming back home to get our minds blown from the telly!!!! And of course what you said applies to both #ClassicWho and the next two parts of this three-parter! #Whoinverse: Hold my drink, #MCU !!!! :) I'm off now to pray you will post reactions to #DoctorWho S4x12 and S4x13 on Friday and Sunday, respectively! :)
The actress who plays the "fortuneteller" also played Professor Yana's assistant, Chantho, played by Chipo Chung.
They might not notice. They assumed it was a sister.
I like the little glimpse of the East-Asian themed planet that frames this story. Reminds me of Firefly.
Wait! Sutekh kinda looks like a emaciated wolf, he was hidden around the TARDIS when Rose got power over life and death and she called herself Bad Wolf. What if she was able to see him!
Very nice idea, but I think Sutekh was more of a dog than a wolf. I guess it could still apply on a metaphorical level, though.
Only problem with the addition of the element of sutekh is that he would have been completely destroyed by the FLUX! Even the time vortex energy couldn’t touch the power of the FLUX!
The next episode is gonna blow your minds. 🍿
Bad Wolf was all over the 1st Season.
The space station is Season 1.
Bad Wolf IS Rose. And it's the end of the first season. She IS the Bad Wolf. She's in touch with "all of time and space".
Trickster is one of the gods of the pantheon. Doctor says it was one of the Tricksters Brigade
They mentioned a crash in the street in episode one of season 4.
Martha, you had to be a hero, damn it.
As for the episode being one of the best will grow on you.
Oh my GOD! D= I just realised that Donna and I.... share the same STEREOTYPE/ARCHETYPE with our MAMAS! 😢
73 yards is a spiritual sequel to this episode with a companion on their own in a dark timeline where the doctor is gone and having to save the world on their own.
is it even though? was just thinking about 73 yards today and its pissing me off even more lol. its so BAD!!!!! like i thought it was decent.. until the Ruby reveal ruined it. Ive heard people say the lack of explanation at the end of 73 yards is what makes it work. but we find out in the end the old woman scaring the ever living CRAP out of people.... its just older Ruby making people petrified of her. Basically torturing ruby her whole life by making everyone she ever gets close to, even her own mother, even kate.... abandon her.. and what could she have possibly said that was so bad that it scared everyone? that her mom disowned her? "shes ordinary" or "shes been traveling with the Egyptian god of death who will bring about the end of all life" either way none of that would make your mom abandon you like that..... this episode does a much better job of showing how an ordinary person can make a difference. one simple choice. dont meet the doctor, the doctor dies because you werent there to help him snap out of a moment of anger and rage, everything changes
Yep! I agree! I like #73Yards but I *love* #TurnLeft !!!!!
73 yeards is nothing like turn left, dont sully turn left. Turn was cleverly doen and thought out. 73 yards was so full on inconsistencies and lazy writing with no real point.
@@SoTOreo if you spent maybe a moment to think about the episode instead of criticizing it based only on the face value, you'd realize why everyone reacted to the old woman like they did. The old woman Ruby and young Ruby are creating, entangled in, and the result of a paradox. I'd imagine that coming face to face with the very center of a paradox would be too much for the human mind to handle. I'd also imagine that a paradox is fragile, and needs to defend it's stability. Ergo, an inexplicable but overwhelming urge to _get the hell away from her._
@@SoTOreoWomp womp 73 yards was a banger cry harder
LOVE THIS EPISODE AND THE NEXT TWO - Peak Dr Who !
Hey do you know when this will be in the Patreon?
Stolen Earth/ Journey’s End here we come! I’m so excited for the season finale and the specials, probably the best this show will ever have.
ROSE! Always great to see Billie Piper!
30:00 Yes! RTD did crossovers before the MCU and I think he pulled it off in a tidier way than Disney has imo. When these episodes first aired I was watching DW and Torchwood, and occasionally some Sarah Jane Adventures. Hearing all the side character's deaths on the news in this episode was crazy!
The woman from new York undercover was doing a play in the West End and decided to answer the casting call.
I knew you guys wouldn’t like this one quite as much as some people do, because this episode is all Donna. For people who love Donna, it’s one of the best episodes of all time- I know you like her more than you used to, but you don’t fangirl over her like most of us… 😂
Why are you calling this Doctor Who Disney? This wasn't ran by Disney until the Gatwa era. This is owned completely by the british broadcasting corporation.
I was getting very fatigued by companions and their family lives by this point i wanted space adventures and monsters.
This isn't fully Disney property yet.
Let's hope that it remains that way.
Agreed. I don't want Disney anywhere near this or the Classic series.
I thought this was the best episode of New Who, but I was surely mistaken.
Trickster is a being that loves chaos from changing timelines
Donna era is not my favorite era of writing or story by any means BUT Donna (and grandad Wilf) are top shelf companion relationships.
You know what I do as soon as it goes waaahhhowwww at the end and it has next I go 4x skip speed on my tv so I don't have to watch next times. So far I'm enjoying Chib's, because there aren't any damn next time's and his first couple of stories.
I love Donna so much.
I hated this episode when it first aired but I’ve grown to appreciate it more on reflection. Be interesting to see how you feel about it at the end of this season.
This episode wasn't co made by disney and this isn't season 4, this is series 4, your title is misleading af
Ok, I got the Golden Child reference! 🤣
Wait Flashpoint/The Flash, sorry, that's DC not Marvel. Thou hath Blasphemed!!! 🤣
Oh now I can say, back in Fires of Pompeii, remember the clairvoyant daughter was telling Donna she saw something on her back!! And yes, grandad Wilf is priceless! Momma Sylvia, she irks me too. She suuuuucks, in this ep.
Bad Wolf
Vatican Cameos
Funky Town
..... You hear someone say any of these phrases = Battle Stations. Sh*t's about to get real.
(And yes, I brought back SuperWhoLock for this comment. 😁)
Chan, that fortune teller seems familiar tome, tho.