Why Did 'The Marvels' Flop?
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Marvel's new feminist superhero movie is their biggest flop of all time. We'll discuss why.
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This is what happens when you replace artists with activists.
Great comment. People who watch movies just want to check out from their real life for a while. Not think about societal issues during the movie
Agreed, great comment! I'm an artist myself and I approve.
@@TheRealMrRoyaland people don't want to be preached too.
@@shadowbeast2276 absolutely. That's most people's problem with the trans stuff too. Be what you want and live your life. Stop shoving it in my face. Orginal lgb fight for us to just forget about them and for the most part we did. Stop aiming for kids and trying to say we HAVE to belive the same things. That goes for all topics.
@@TheRealMrRoyal it's also a sick joke when the people at marvel say " THIS MOVIE ISN'T FOR YOU SO DON'T WATCH IT"
But turn around & get P.O'd when we take their advice & "NOT SHOW UP/ DON'T WATCH IT"
"Superhero fatigue " is the imaginary excuse Disney has created to shift the blame from their ineptitude.
Meanwhile being hyped for invincible season 2 episodes.
Seconding. Disney Marvel skipped decades of story arcs, that sold millions, to get to the current dying era where they sell thousands. Not just Marvel Comics either. Today's successful, chart topping comics are a barely a fraction of the cancellation threshold of 30 years back.
It's out!? Damn!@@Mikael-jt1hk
It's both. Trust me. We're sick of all that AND Disney keeps employing hacks.
For real I love how they blamed everything besides boss babe feminist garbage that is so phony and far fetched from how women really act.
Someone else has said this, and I'm going to repeat it. We've gone from complex heroes and simple stories to complex stories and simple heroes. We are not fatigued over heroes...the human psyche will always yearn for heroes. But it's hard to write good heroes; that takes talent. It's much easier to write arcane stories, where tying the audience into logic knots hides the fact that there isn't really a story.
Good reviews and a good view of things.
Very perceptive insight, and food for thought. 🤔
I know that I personally get bored and annoyed by simplistic characters and convoluted plots.
I only care about a movie if the main characters have depth and complexity; and if I don't have to work too hard to follow the plot.
“Logic knots” is a good term. Reminds me of shows like Westworld .
As a woman, I am not interested in watching other women punch stuff. Women aren’t physical and it’s not a trait I admire or want to imitate
If it's done right I think it can actually work. Wonder Woman was pretty good in my opinion. She was strong and sensitive at the same time. She fell in love. I enjoyed it.
I assert that Chris Evans stepping out of the super soldier chamber in Captain America put more women butts in seats than this turd of a movie could ever hope for.
@@brendaaceituno1761
Sorry to be redundant with a second mention, but there's a scene in the most recent Mission Impossible that I think nails "doing it right" as you say. Tom Cruise is in a club with two sort-of-ally women that need to fight there way out against a villainess and her henchmen. One guy and three women and the scene nails it!
the thing is, female characters cannot struggle the same way male characters struggle is movies, and STRUGGLE is an important part of a good action movie, where a hero struggles then rise up from the struggle then become the hero he's meant to be. A female characters isn't just appealing to struggle in that regard.
@@brendaaceituno1761 Wonder Woman was created by a hyper-feminist weirdo pervert with a massive bondage fetish. Her "lasso of truth" was a representation of his love of bondage (as well as his real-life invention of the polygraph).
Whenever a "diverse" person makes anything, it's always about themselves and their diversity. Why can't diverse people just tell good stories without having to write in their own biases and beliefs?
Because their entire IDENTITY is tied to their diversity or "oppression."
I went and saw it, it was good
@@rockstar-kp2jyGood for nothing.
Blade was excellent. It isn't diversity, it is the infiltration of writer rooms with sjw type crybabies that is the problem.
You don't have to dislike it. But unfortunately that means you may lack taste and critical thinking. @@rockstar-kp2jy
The people have spoken !! So tired of the elite dictating what we have to think.
Power to the people ✊🏽✊🏼
There’s no “superhero fatigue”. There’s only DEI and wokeness fatigue. Many normal people aren’t tricked into buying garbage anymore, we are over it.
Superhero fatigue does exist and there are people tired of them. It doesn’t mean a genre ceases to exist. Musicals and Westerns are still made, but no longer dominate HW. Trends change and something else will take the industry by storm. Then the cycle repeats.
@@alexisschiffer4830 That may be the case for some people, but I'd suggest those people weren't fans of comics/superheroes in the first place. Everyone I know is bored of MCU films because of the agenda pushing and lack of engaging narrative.
@@djsuth7727🎯 🎯 🎯 You definitely hit the bullseye with your analysis of the current climate of moviegoers. I agree with your sentiment. 💯 A lot of people jumped on the Marvel bandwagon because they thought it was cool at the time. Those people were just casual moviegoers. They weren't into comics. They enjoyed the movies, as they were entertaining. Now the movies haven't been as well received due to lack of quality and a certain pandering to the wokies. And now those casual viewers are jumping ship. Which is fine, that's their right. But now those people are bashing Marvel and comic book movies as a whole. They're jumping on the haters bandwagon rather fast. Some people like to just hate on whatever they can. Especially when it's something that leads to other people's enjoyment. It is what it is though. Lots of bigger issues out there with much greater importance. Like the possibility of WW3 and the end of the world due to nukes going off everywhere. 🤷🏽
I think the main thing they need to do is to tell the actors to shut up. Art is supposed to be interpreted by the viewer. One person can see it as this and another could see something different.
But today you get many of these actors telling you what to think before you even see the movie.
Define woke then. Superheroes have literally always been political because they are metaphors of reality. Take the X-Men for example. You would call that “woke” if it came out today. Literally yall just use this term to disguise you’re homophobia, racism, etc
As a marvel fan, I will tell you the main reason. It’s not about superhero fatigue. Not even close. It’s about the company hiring producers who never read a marvel comic book in their lives or even spoke to a marvel fan. They only cared about putting their agenda into movies. They need to fire all these woke producers. Re-shoot any dumb movies they already made. Before they release them to the public so they can start making a boatload of money again.
Exactly. Pretty much no one had superhero fatigue from 2008-2019, but from 2021-now people have been having an issue because of the agenda they keep trying to push.
It’s such a shame because Captain Marvel is such a great character.
@@nicholemiller7637 The movie was very good in concept, but the execution didn’t do it a sliver of justice.
I grew up loving Marvel and x-men! Collecting comic books and comic cards. I have not seen a Marvel movie since X-Men X-2! How could any of you watch any of this crap?!
I don't even think superhero fatigue exists. Bad movie fatigue is definitely a thing.
Ripley from Alien and Sarah Connor from Terminator worked because both characters were compelling. They weren't overly powered, man-hating feminists. They had flaws, weaknesses, and depth. Hollywood writers just don't know how to write compelling female leads anymore. They are too focused on putting through their woke propaganda.
Two good examples of great characters in a movie.
Understandable as both spent their entire movies running from the villain. These mfs hard charging
You got to go all the way back to the 1980's and pick out two of the greatest movies of all time to prove a "point."
I think superhero fatigue is not actually a problem. The problem is good, soulful, storytelling.
yup, no one has an issue watching a good, entertaining movie with some realism especially. woke, alphabet mafia, unrealistic garbage has gone passed FATIGUE though...
both: superhero fatigue and good, soulful storytelling (independently which one comes first)
There is maybe a little bit of fatigue, but anyone who thinks it's a real barrier to making money should pay attention when the next Deadpool film releases.
The lack of it, you mean?
@Finraen Agreed. Deadpool is going to crush at theaters but people will still say superhero fatigue.
It's a flop because it sucked. It was made to suck on purpose and everyone with two brain cells to rub together knew that well in advance. The writers were not shy about telling us they intended to ruin it, and they laughed about it.
Ruin? That would imply it was ever good or that it could ever be good.
Why would they do this?
@@baw5xc333 They told us that they went out of their way to ruin it. This isn't my opinion, I'm reporting the facts.
@@JukaDominator They hate us and they hate everything that we love, and they enjoy our pain. It's like fine wine to them. They are demons.
True. 👍🏼 Seems there's a carefully calculated cultural (global?) shift in the air...
We accidentally walked into this movie in the theater when we were looking for the fnaf movie. And it was completely empty, not a single person watching lol
The problem with Captain Marvel and many other modern marvel protagonists is that they don't earn anything. Superheroes used to have to work hard, show good character, and face adversity. Now these 'heroes' are just magically getting unlimited powers that can solve every problem in the world, and they expect everyone to relate to them and root for their unearned 'triumphs'
It flop because of Disney. Disney needs to stop being woke and so on....
Hollywood can no longer write women in a hero's journey. That would mean that they have something to learn, something to overcome inside themselves. That would end the writer's career, if he showed women in a light something other than perfect. So the challenges they have to overcome are getting the universe to recognize how awesome they really are, and for they themselves to accept how awesome they are. They are all Mary Sue's to one degree or another. With Rey Palpatine being the epitome of it.
Woops you spelled propagandists wrong😅
Too bad they don't have anyone whose superpower is to write a decent script.
@@h5mind373haha great comment!
For me and I believe a lot of other people, the reason why we aren't watching isn't because it's a female superhero but because of the woke/feminist, man-hating message that a lot of these movies bring with it. I'd be completely fine with watching a female led action movie if it's not woke, not feminist, and has an interesting story.
Explain Barbie genius.
@@skaetur1 IP, Barbie was/is huge. It's nostalgic and made to appeal to women
I agree. Plenty of examples like Salt, Ava and the Resident Evils.
@skaetur1 They didn't advertise the woke agenda in Barbie in the trailers and lead up to the opening weekend. If they had, it probably wouldn't have done as well. Plus, they were smart enough to put enough of Ken's "trad" perspective to make people genuinely debate whether the movie is meant to be feministic.
@@friesontheside_my understanding is that the movie was received as pro ken trad, and the director was all “noooooooo! That’s not the message”. But hey, put a woman charge why don’t you.
South Park's explained what is going on better than anybody else can.
Its not superhero fatigue. It is endless woke nonsense fatigue. Also most Disney writers suck at writing good stories.
Yeah, I generally like Matt, but his pop culture takes - especially about the nerd culture stuff - are pure garbage. He doesn't understand it, so he assumes it's pointless. I would still be absolutely thrilled to see more superhero fare if they were producing movies like back during the first three phases of the MCU. Not all of them were original or great, but they were fun. Things took a stunningly bad turn after Endgame because of the woke crap being shoehorned into everything. I was ecstatic about the new Doctor Strange movie... until I went to it and it was less a Doctor Strange movie than it was a horrible Scarlet Witch movie (keep in mind I like Scarlet Witch and enjoyed most of WandaVision). That was the last Marvel movie and show I watched. Comic book fans - which is who these movies are supposed to be made for - are not tired of superheroes, they're tired of horrible depictions and outright character assassinations of their favorite heroes.
I also disagree with what he said about people just not wanting to watch female action heroes. I don't think that's the reason for most people anyway. What's keeping people away is the woke, feminist, man-hating, messages that many of these movies have.
@@rhythmsteve Nope. Superhero fatigue only happens if someone release a good super hero movie and a really good movie overall and yet people dont want to watch it. Did Marvel or Dc or any studios release something like that this past few years?
@@wastelandsniper789 Indeed! And that's the beauty of critical thinking (wish more people were doing it), you can agree with someone on many things, and also disagree on many other things. I'm kind of tired of seeing people completely and blindly agreeing 100% with someone, or downplaying someone else's opinion just because they don't agree on a few points. I generally like Matt as well and enjoy many of his opinions, but I also agree with you that his pop culture takes are way off. All movie genres are repetitive to a certain degree, not just superheroes movies. We've seen a lot of WW2 movies, yet if they release a new one with great character arcs and good directing, we'll still enjoy it. It's the same with superheroes.
I feel like Matt has that tendency (like many many people) to mix objective facts and data (which he is great at when he points them out) with personal feelings and make them look like they're the same. Like when he was trying to explain to Joe Rogan why he's against gay marriage. He had no valid objective arguments other than "well I feel like marriage is for heterosexuals to have kids" and wasn't able to clearly answer Joe's blunt and honest questions. Even though I didn't agree with him on that, it still doesn't change that he's making a lot of sense on many other topics. So yeah, all I'm saying is I don't care about female or male action movie stars, I just want good stories, interesting villains and struggles, and great character arcs. You know, stuff that Disney apparently forgot how to do since it's easier to blame us for their poor quality work XD
@@FringeChannel Exactly right. I don't expect Matt to ever enjoy the nerdy things I enjoy (like comics, superhero movies, and games), but I'm also not going to tell him that the things he likes to do are pointless just because I don't like them. For me, golf is dumb, but I know a lot of people who love it, and that's fine. It's just that I would feel like I'm wasting my time playing it because it's not my thing and never will be. But it's not wasting their time because they enjoy it. I really like the Daily Wire, but they desperately need to hire more people who understand pop culture, because Matt and Ben - as smart as they are with many takes I agree with - don't understand it and both have the extremely annoying tendency to assume that just because they don't like or understand it, it doesn't matter. Which is absolute wrong, particularly when you realize that politics is downstream from culture.
I consider it a badge of honor when wokies call me any "ist" or "phobic". It lets me know I'm on the correct side of these issues.
True dat! 👍🏽
It’s the card they pull when they don’t want to admit that you’re right and they have no actual facts to back up any of their claims
It's a very teenage response to having your feelings hurt by truth. I doubt they can help themselves tbh. I try to cut them some slack and just hope they will get better if people keep their head and do what is necessary.
Same
Absolutely it means you are a normal person
Get woke go broke.
Idc how well produced these movies are, you can just SMELL the woke on all of these films and its such a turn off.
The Marvel's is an example of what happens when DEI is the number one priority. In a movie it mildly irritating, but these same people want DEI in healthcare, finance, law enforcement, and our military.
I don’t know about you, but I’d be down for a retarded 25 year old black guy with an IQ of 72 to be tasked with an engineering job of designing the biggest and most commercial bridge in the world. I mean, what could possibly go wrong? At least he checks “the” box, right? That’s suuuuuuuper important.🫠
And most people don't seem to understand DEI has nothing to do with Diversity, equity, or inclusion. It's just a term coined by the powers that be to force more people that think like them on their corporate boards, government offices, school board, etc. It's Diverse, equitable, and inclusive... except if you aren't a woke person. Then you aren't included.
DIE is a much more appropriate acronym.
@@garymcmillan6943 Ironic that many of the people who supported the creation of this nonsense are now being excluded from society by it.
@@garymcmillan6943 Exactly. Well said!
The narrative of feminists: " I can do no wrong, it's the world at fault". This even reflects in their movies. If she's the protagonist she has to be perfect with no flaws thus we don't get a character arc and every one around the character is at fault for not recognizing her brilliance
Good point
Agreed
Its nerdrotic's her-oes journey. She was always a queen, but something is holding her back and once that obstacle is removed, she can finally show just how awesome she has always been.
Feminism has ruined not only our movies but our entire society.
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Here's the thing about female action characters that woke Hollywood has forgotten: the characters were human, had flaws, and had an actual character arc. Look at Sarah Connor, for example. In the first movie, she's just a young waitress and college student, and wouldn't have lasted two minutes if Reese hadn't been there to save her. By the second film, she's a legitimate badass, _but..._ it took her years of training to toughen up, and along the way she alienated her son, got herself locked up in a loony bin, and even after she was broken out, nearly murdered Miles Dyson she was so far gone. She was tough, but she was heavily traumatized, she had to endure great suffering, and she had to make incredible sacrifices. This made her human and therefore relatable.
Contrast that with Rey from Kathleen Kennedy's travesty of Star Wars. Rey can fly and repair the _Millennium Falcon_ better than Han Solo, despite no apparent spaceflight experience. She learns to use the Force and outfight Kylo Ren without a lick of training -- so she out-jedis Luke Skywalker. _Everyone_ likes her. She never has to struggle. She never has to pay a heavy cost for anything. She's a classic Mary Sue.
I didn't see Captain Marvel, but from what I've seen and read, it's the same thing. I remember from the trailer, seeing Brie Larson saying "getting tired of being told what I can't do," in a very bored tone of voice. She apparently just effortlessly rises to every challenge with complete insouciance. Another Mary Sue.
This is what happens when woke Hollywood pushes the girlboss agenda. They want to make women action heroes and commanding leads, but because those female characters have to "represent" they aren't allowed to have any flaws. Their purpose is to show that women can do anything a man can do, and do it better, and giving them flaws, weaknesses, or failings undermines that goal. So they become boring, tiresome, unrelatable Mary Sues.
Our best action heroes though don't have it that easy. They have to struggle. They suffer. They fail. What made the character of Indiana Jones take off like a rocket and become a cultural icon? He was human and relatable. He falls down throughout the film. In the beginning, he gets outmaneuvered and beaten by Belloq, and it's made clear that's not the first time this has happened. He gets beaten up, shot, thrown out of and dragged behind a truck. In the end, he gets captured by Belloq and the Nazis, and only the fact that they didn't understand the Ark of the Covenant and got themselves killed by it saves him. Indy's human, and people can identify with him because of that. What makes him a hero is that even though he's not the toughest or strongest, he never gives up. When he's knocked down, he goes down swinging, and then gets back up and charges back in.
Woke Hollywood has forgotten what makes heroic characters work. No wonder their movies keep bombing.
Peppermint had an awesome female boss character. Her family was killed and she took 5 years training before she came back for revenge.
Well said. 👌
All of HW needs to read your comment… they’ve forgotten how to make a real hero… race/sex/politics don’t matter… being human does!
I don't think there's such thing as superhero fatigue. Only crappy movie fatigue. If quality is maintained, there's a fanbase willing to watch a good superhero movie any time. Superhero fatigue is just a terminology used to excuse the failure of the movie makers
I'm completely over the superhero fad; woke or not, it's played tf out.
I can verify super hero fatigue is a real thing. I’ve had super hero fatigue since I hit puberty, it’s called growing up.
@@vinnyvette6028 it's embarrassing how many full grow adults are into this childish garbage.
Eaxctly, it's a state of denial. They can't, or won't, admit to the real reasons behind failure.
@@vinnyvette6028Literally every action movie is a superhero movie. John Wick, Fast and Furious, Terminator, Hercules!. All effectively superheros.
1. Nobody wanted the movie in the first place.
2. Just more woke cancel culture forced narritive.
3. Superhero genre is over saturated and needs a ten year break.
4. Brie Larson has presented herself in all interviews as simply an unlikeable person and that stigma will probably never get changed.
5. Disney has lost all creativity for establishing anything long lasting.
Not only did they sandwich in the first film between Infinity War and Endgame, they lied and said that you had to watch that one to get important plot points.
Only real reason I watched Captain Marvel.
It's a ploy so they could get you to give up more of your money to watch a trash film
Important plot points 😂😂😂
You forgot half the seats were bought and empty?? Nobody has been able to explain it
I mean, they put a scene at the very end of one of the BEST Marvel movies (Infinity War) with Nick Fury dying and pushing the 'Capt Marvel' button as he's turning into dust.
Even if it wasn't LIED about, the audience was willing to show up. The 'review bombs' they complain about were honest disgusting by fans who felt irritated that after Marvel got SO many things right, they got that COMPLETELY wrong. The capt marvel character is as toxic and vapid as the Rey character in the new star wars movies. It's all crap flavored poison at this point.
Once the woke came, we the old marvel readers left. Started reading marvel comics in the 60's, love the first Captain America, Iron Man, X men, and then they went woke, so goodnight and so long.
Yeah, Marvel comics went woke a while ago, and people we're saying a while before the MCU went full woke that the MCU would suffer the same fate, well here we are.
For that reason, I rarely watch any movie made less than 15 years ago.
That's why I only collect older comics, and after endgame I won't watch anything MCU ever again.
People in rubber suits kicking each other! Great line, Matt!
Having grown up with films like ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOOS NEST and ASPHALT COWBOY and ROCKY and BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID - and of course (I am German) DAS BOOT ... I am afraid we have a generation now that is ONLY watching superhero stuff and gets no grip on physical reality in cinemas. At all! Magic things just work and are happening and all the heroes and heroines never need to do any fight training. Creates an extra dumb audience.
The reality is that we who remember these movies you mentioned are no longer the target demographic. We are not Hollywood's target audience anymore. We are the over 50 bunch who no longer matter just like all the generations before ours.
I'm not melancholy over this fact. In fact, I'm quite fine with it. Look at the movies you mentioned, and juxtapose them to these marvel/star wars movies of today, and you see why we have no reason to feel bad. On the contrary, we should feel bad for this generation and how Hollywood disrespects them.
@@guerralg63 Yes - and no: I mean, when I saw EASY RIDER the first time I was 16! It felt rather real for me then. Ditto with great films like AMERICAN GRAFFITI or THE GRADUATE. All based in reality. Rather real people! No superheroes there. Nevertheless good entertainment, but never shallow. Would film of this kind still appeal to audiences 14-40 today? Are films like those shown? That's the question.
@klartext2225 to some who are mature, but not to many of them, because they are woke and couldn't be able to handle the freedom of speech, thought, and the way things were back then. I see disclaimers before they show older movies today. They are trigger warnings in case they find regular human behavior and interaction offensive.
Because there are very few good movies. Just cause people like super hero movies doesn't mean they don't like more sophisticated things as well. It's nice to see an Ironman movie and not have to think, just relax and remember childhood comics.
With Barbie being the biggest hit of the year, they can no longer say society doesn't support female lead movies.
A flop is a flop. Stop blaming men and outside forces.
Barbie had a female protagonist and many interpreted it as a feminist movie. Why did it do so well if people claim that structuring a movie that way is a failing concept?
Not a heroe movie. It's a movie based in a girl toy.
Barbie was targeted to little girls and nostalgic moms who made the little girls go. That’s why it did so well. I didn’t see it but I’m sure they tried to make feminism seem feminine.
While that movie was garbage it was a smart marketing job. It appealed and had the female demographic come out for it, it appealed to their childhood nostalgia
The Barbie trailer did not indicate anything woke, therefore many went to watch it then realised its something else..
I love how it’s always someone else’s fault and not taking ownership of your own failure. Taking ownership is a sign of maturity.
fr💯💯
Budweiser, are you listening?
Feminist being mature! 😂😂😅
Maturity is politically incorrect.
They are the most entitled people to have ever lived on the planet, them acting this way is expected.
Matt, you also must add in the future that Captain Marvel did $1 billion also because Disney played with ticket sales for the movie.
There was a promotion...either Target or Walmart...where if you made a purchase, you got a free ticket to the movie.
Most people were said to have refused it, but you had no choice. You were given the ticket anyway. Most of the tickets were not used according to theater owners who said the theaters were mainly empty.
Wow! 😆
@@xrfa7422 wow, indeed. You just can trust big business at all anymore. Especially, #RottenTomatoes, which I believe is owned by Disney as well.
Whoa you got data and additional information on this topic. Outside of AMERICA we're not getting this information. THAT WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN!
@@cliffpinas3500 Look up “Disney bought/fudged tickets for Captain Marvel movie” on the internet or some variations of what I said. It’s out there if you look for it. I don’t make 💩💩💩💩 up. Disney is doing A LOT of tricks. Especially by starting with fans calling us racist misogynists before a show or movie starts to explain away their failures.
@@cliffpinas3500 You *CAN'T* get data when its a blatant lie!
"Arrogantly and violently refused to see the movie" 😂
The actors openly despise their potential audience. DEI, can only mean exclusion.
Spell it correctly:
Diversity
Inclusion
Equity
@@Michael-yd7nt exactly
Exactly
So I had a lot of time of my hands recently and was trying to figure out what show to start watching… A buddy of mine was shocked because I hadn’t watched all of the Marvel movies. He suggested I watch them in chronological order.. so I started from the beginning. The first few were great. Captain America was pretty good, etc.. once I started getting to the movies from 5 years ago-on… I realized that every movie had some woke agenda bs attached to each film. Someone important in the movie HAD to be gay, or non-binary or something along those lines. When I got to Wakanda Forever… I literally couldn’t watch even 30 mins of the movie because of how ridiculous the narratives were.
Feminists- we hate the patriarchy
Also feminists - the patriarchy won’t watch our movies or go to our basketball games
The patriarchy- enjoy your cats
Feminism does nothing but destroy.
i don't want this to be funny...
Most women didn't ask for this, as evidenced by the low interest from women. This isn't even feminism, it's misandry, being pushed by a subset of women who want to replace men in society- who are unsurprisingly are often g*y or tr*ns. It's part of the agenda
I love cats but I agree.
I'm a woman who loves men so I can't stand it when movies put in feminist man hating messages in them.
Basketball games? Wha…?
Few things going on.
#1 People my age were originally interested because of nostalgia regarding very specific characters we read during childhood. When the nostalgia is satisfied, there really isn't anything that keeps you around as an adult.
#2 The scripts - writing is getting worse and the plots (with all the multiverse this, quatum realm this) keep getting even more fantasical. While yes, we're talking about characters with Superpowers that don't exist, most casual movie watchers will prefer the basic story to be more relatable.
#3 The only people who like "girl boss" trope are woke progressives, and that isn't surprising as it's basically the worst representation of men that people also don't like (obnoxious, highly aggressive, rude, lacking awareness - empathy etc.)
#4 People can tell when something is contrived, which is cringe inducing & a turnoff. It'll also get mocked.
#5 The number 1 supporter of female action characters are MEN (not women). However, those men don't wish to be preached at, to be ridiculed, to watch a non-attrative lesbian man-hating woman etc. on screen.
Right on. I not only do not find this ‘new’ type of female hero to be unattractive, mostly it’s downright repulsive. It’s just not believable, it’s not in anyone’s realm of experience, it’s too contrived, and worse, it’s being thrust upon the typical male audience against their viewing tastes. Fine, call me insecure or whatever, the reason I don’t like a strong female lead that supposedly can do anything physically a man can but better, is because it’s just not true in reality. And most of the time, the technical things these superwomen are somehow expert in also aren’t in the real world. Certain industries are male dominated because men are more interested in them and better at them - most women could care less. It’s just so forced, so contrived, and what I find illogical is that if these superwomen hate men so much, why they’re trying so hard to compete with men. Who wants to watch that?
Whoever cast Brie Larson never really looked at the way in which Carol Danvers is drawn or characterized in the comics. Larson looks like a teenage girl wearing her mom’s clothes.
@@ronjon7942I have no problems with strong female characters, but I don't like being around people who are degrading and hateful, and I'm certainly not going to pay for it
And yet these woke progressives aren't going either. I was waiting for the first Capt.. Marvel movie but found it not enjoyable. Don't know why. Just turned me off. I'll watch the new one when it's on TV some time when there's nothing else on.
This is what happens when you cater to a market that doesn't exist. Women and trans aren't watching marvel, it's men.
His description of “a bunch of annoying women running around punching everyone” could actually be a funny premise for a comedy.
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I'm honestly shocked that Disney is keeping the MCU alive after years of consistent decline. It's not the cash cow as it used to be.
I think it’s a money laundering operation.
It's propaganda vehicle now. Money comes from your own 401k through blackrock.
Those behind it don't care about money. It's value to them is in the way it can be used for social conditioning, to increase their own power.
@@Unsalted667if no one is watching then it’s not a very effective propaganda is it? let them waste their time and money and alienate more people from their cause.
@@cgarcia4487 My guess is they hope it will pay off in a generation when the kids who are growing up with these movies become adults. One problem is they are working against thousands of years of human evolution. I think even in a generation action movies will still appeal to men and romantic comedies to women.
Sigourney Weaver and "Ripley" were believable as an action hero female. Men were rooting her on to kick some alien butt in the action movies. The majority of modern feminist "heroes" are not believable and are just annoying Kardashian-esque "Boss Babe" acting and writing. Men are turned off by that. Men make up most action movie viewers, so learn to cater to your audience.
Disney put down their main audience and tried to make their least audience happy. This is one main reason I think why this flopped.
It's the main reason.
Hey look at what's been going on the past couple years especially with bud lite leading the charge, you cater to the minority you get what you deserve
I have read quite a few books on writing creative fiction. In nearly every single instance it is pointed out that you can craft a story with political/religious/social messaging artfully woven into the narrative and end up with an engrossing tale. However, if you start with a political/religious/social message and build your story around that, you end up with boring rubbish. That is what Hollywood has been doing for the past thirteen years, convincing themselves after every flop that it is not the message that is flawed, but the audience. Until Hollywood gets it through their thick heads that they are in the entertainment business, not the social engineering business, nothing is going to change. On the plus side, I am saving tons of money and better utilizing my free time all thanks to the abysmal dreck spewing out of the theaters/streaming services. So, by all means Hollywood, keep it up!
Thing is...hollywood has been in the social engineering business since the 30s or earlier....they just got too far ahead of themselves
it’s been at its worse during the last five or six years. 13 years ago it wasn’t nearly as bad as it is now
Being physically heroic is a male virtue not a female virtue that's why no one connects with female super heroes
Here's the thing. As someone who WAS once OBSESSED with the MCU, I valued all of the movies ar least a little bit, even if they were kinda mediocre. Why? Because it all sorta fit together. It was fun to piece them together. I would have gladly watched all the D+ series (and I was planning to). I didn't leave the MCU... it left me.
First they kept ignoring the Agents of Shield series on TV. And more movies started disregarding the things that came before. Like Thor's character arc is wildly bad and Endgame was just the cherry on top. Then Captain Marvel literally messes with the tessaract timeline and rewrites the legacy of the The Avengers (namely that Steve Rogers was the First Avenger) and also deals damage to Nick Fury's backstory and complicates things with the skrulls. Then they go and drop the ball with Wanda's series which was pretty good, until the ending.
So I'm already grappling with major and complex inconsistencies as well as character changes.
Then they start getting overtly and divisively political with Falcon and Winter Soldier. And I'm done. I'm out.
Now, even if they could make a decent movie, there can be no going back. I won't skip chapters and then carry on with the rest of the book... and there's no way on earth you can pay me to watch She Hulk or Ms. Marvel or Loki.
A movie or series is like a chapter in the MCU, I never skipped a chapter. But then the chapters were tedious, shallow, derivative, inconsistant, poorly written, contradictory, and insulting to the former chapters. Even if they made good movies again, I can't go back. It's too late. It's like trying to build on top of ruins without clearing the wreckage.
@ohifonlyx33 , you can watch Loki though alongside MoonKnight and Werewolves by Night. These are the only good things that Marvel has produced in recent years. And GOTG3 Obviously
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Political? Marvel was always political. Captain America has ALWAYS been political.Jesus.
@@actionman530Political, yes. Always woke? No.
@@actionman530 divisively is an adverb modifying the word political. I did not deny that the mcu had a political bent. But go watch Civil War and you can see that they tried to make both viewpoints make sense and were written fairly.
Brie Larson seems to have only one facial expression - kind of like a 'startled chook'. She has a personality to match.
The feminist/anti-male themes are terrible enough, but the underlying problem with superhero movies is that, after Superman, Batman, and Spiderman, there is a huge gulf between them and the second-tier superheroes. The likes of Captain Marvel, Antman, Harley Quinn, Black Widow, Catwoman, are strictly the bottom-of-the-barrel.
She always looks constipated.
She's actually not bad in the 'normal' movies I've seen her in, I was surprised.
I think it may be a case of taking the opportunity of getting the fame and cash, and/ or artistic snobbery, because it's obvious her hearts not in it.
Lol and agreed
He is right, the majority of movie goers for action films are men. My wife will watch one with me but she really doesn't like them. The fact that Disney is woke and peddles their DEI garbage in their movies is why I won't pay to see them.
This movie was all over the place. It was a musical, a princess movie, a cat video and a teen chick flick all rolled into a marvel superhero movie. Oh yeah and there was a pajama party. And there were the obligatory explosions.
I really hope this is sarcasm. Is that really all in the movie?
@@EL1389Kinda, yeah.
Sounds more like scrolling Tiktok for 90 min, not a theatrical production...
Men shouldn’t watch this thrash
@@EL1389Yes it is, the musical scene and gay world is so revolting 🤢
These numbers are shocking. It's shocking that even 100 people went out to the theaters and paid for and saw this movie. Is that real? I feel like that's gotta be fake. Who are these mysterious people who actually go pay to see the Captain Marvel sequel and what percentage of them were wearing masks?
I would not be surprised to find they paid people to go see it and write positive reviews. Has been tried before.
There is a reality behind why Marvels and many other 'female dominated' movies failed - women in general have no sense of reason (no logic) and they will not accept accountability when they are wrong. Jack Nicholson said it best when answering a silly young female who asked him in 'As Good As It Gets' - "How do you write women so well?" Jack's character Melvin said simply "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.”
"series of extended toy commercials" nailed it.
Ironically, at 6:39, Mr. Walsh throws his own commercial into his review. Wow.
@@craigthomson1215 For Christmas you should wish for thicker skin. a WOW over a that.
They really thought they were going to make millions with this load of woke shit. There is still some hope.
It is not superhero fatigue. It's bad movie fatigue. Marvel fans are tired of bad Marvel movies being released. I saw Spider-Man: Across the Spiderverse and Blue Beetle because they were good and have rewatched them. Fans want a story, not an agenda. Woman Woman kicked ass and had a large female audience. I will not defend this terrible movie. I will say that you can make a female superhero movie, but it NEEDS to have a good story and good characters.
After “End Game” Marvel just went downhill in everything.
It wasn't just a movie title, but a corporate direction.
I grew up with marvel! I am a "True Believer"! I don't recognize my former love. I cast it out years ago! Today's offerings are embarrassing and I will not support such a disregard of cannon.
Marvel crying about how sexist and misogynistic the fans are, even though the women are also not interested in these films.
So aside from all these points, I heard the name “Kamala” which is supposed to be Ms Marvel not to be confused with Captain Marvel and immediately my mind went to our “beloved” electric bus lover in DC. Obviously the character is from the comics or whatever and it’s not meant to refer to our wannabe leader/philosopher, but the name “Kamala” has already been ruined by almost 4 years of inflection points, electric buss talk, call to depopulation (yea look that one up), and countless annoying witch laughs.
But depopulation would save the climate
Don’t be “burdened on which you can be be unburdened by those things that came before”..... 🤡🌏
@@JonSnow-pj7qz is there a problem with the climate?
@@bibbsy1962 😂 lol
@@JonSnow-pj7qz How about you start with yourself first?
When she said "choose the side of light", can we safely assume she meant the side of glowing narcissists, deaf to any kind of feedback or self awareness?
"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." - 2 Corinthians 2:14
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"Light"? When Disney turned into religion? "Choose the side of light" is something you would hear during the mass...
The name Lucifer, which means “bearer of light” or “morning star,” refers to his former splendor as the greatest of the angels.
Can you see the reference.
Lol
Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hulk, Black Widow movies were all fanatstic because as we watched them, we weren't waiting for the Woke Lefties to humiliate our hero's. Now Thor needs Jane to save him, and men can't be heroes because it's sexist. Marvel movies died after Endgame unfortunately.
As a Marvel Fan, After Endgame I thought that they were going to take the storylines into darker more serious tones like Daredevil, MoonKnight, and Blade, hyping Miphisto as new and more evil villain, and even bringing Ghostrider back but they turned into this cutie barbie wonderland. Even WandaVision has a little horror tone at first.
I can't watch it anymore and I miss good superhero films.
I thought they would concentrate on series and take at least a year preferably 2 off from Superhero movies. I remember watching Captain Marvel (after excitement waiting) and being disappointed, just not really liking it. Never examined why not.
I grew up with comics and used to look forward to every marvel movie, not any more. I couldn’t get past a half hour of the last Thor movie, they turned the character into a simpleton ( toxic masculinity I suppose). I’ve given up on Marvel movies. At least we still have the OLD comics to read again.
Watch something great man...like the Godfather, Taxi Driver, A Bronx Tale....with real actors.
@@vikroy3777let ur money talk my guy. Boycott this shit until they again remember their audience is mostly young man where there is a growing shift against ant feminist bs
Imagine all the great movies that aren't being made because of these superheroes garbage, or because they might be against woke Hollywood.
Hot chicks playing dude roles where their characters are scripted to be dudes with tits and great hair is doomed to fail. Here's another point where the recent Godzilla minus 1 movie with a sparse budget of only 15 million has smoked Hollywood big budget garbage: One of the most inspiring characters in that movie is the "wife" of the main protagonist. Seriously.
All the personal interaction with the main character was believable, credible. She felt real. Without thinking she sacrificed herself for the man who had essentially rejected her. Etc. That 15 million dollar movie connected with it's audience writing credible human characters.
Hollywood doesn't even understand that anymore, and as a result their "story telling" isn't able to actually connect with a human audience.
The reason they're spewing accusations of sexism and racism (irony because they want people to see it because of the gender and race of the actors and director), it's because they thought superhero movies were all garbage to begin with. They don't see the difference between older films and the newer films. So they think the reason people don't want anything to do with this one has nothing to do with the story and the fact that they insult the main demographic that likes these kinds of movies.
Superhero stories are just another genre, basically a subgenre of fantasy. They don't necessarily have to be repetitive. There's plenty of room for numerous good stories. It just takes decent writers, which is one thing Marvel sorely lacks. Marvel could easily find good writers and do better if they wanted to, but they are focused on indoctrination and programming rather than on entertaining.
Women don't even support The Marvels.
I think it flopped for a few reasons: they characters didn’t act like superheroes; they acted like teenage emotional teenage girls. They chose actresses who were not even physically fit or athletic; in fact the youngest marvel doesn’t appear athletic at all. I also think that superhero movies are more watched by guys and not girls. Finally, most of the Marvel movies are simply not edgy enough and involve too much drama. They aren’t written like true action movies.
Yes, but the day after they announce the young avengers, which is just mostly a female cast and filled with Wolk messaging. Marvel and Disney have not learned. They’re trying to play two games simultaneously and losing both.
We don't even care about those people. We want to see badass men fuck shit up
It's a clever strategy of loss diversification.
Maybe it flopped because Captain Marvel was never a popular superhero. Not as a man. Not as a woman. Not as a black woman. So, Captain Marvel never had a fan base and still doesn't.
"This is what happens when you replace artists with activists" (took that from @Guigley) really is the best thing you could say on this topic, perfectly put.
Disney understands Marvel about as well as it understands Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or Willow or any other fantasy or SciFi property originally created for young men.
“Am I saying I hate white dudes?”: The Infamous Brie Larson Quote That Turned the Whole World Against Captain Marvel Was Taken Out of Context
It's NOT "superhero fatigue", it's the perverse political theme.
They should remake First Blood with Emma Stone as John Rambo.
I'd watch that
I saw a meme that showed a poster of a movie called 'Hitler' and he was black, lol.
Majority of the ticket buyers were male and white and they’re claiming race and sexism is why the movie flopped? Lol. 😂
There are so many reasons why this bombed. Larson and the other creators have not hid their contempt for men, when men are their primary market. That's what you call "stupid". You had to watch hours of D+ content to have a clue who two of the characters were, the first Captain Marvel movie was released four years ago so interest has waned. The leads were all swathed in uniforms that covered everything but their heads which I'm sure also alienated the male market, the script was amazingly ridiculous, and Larson has the appeal and emotional range of a plank of wood. There's more but I guess that'll do for now.
The people involved in the Marvels don't need to re-think their strategy. They need to re-think their lives. Perhaps clean their rooms. Get themselves in order.
"I think a lot of folks assume they are hated for their sexuality/race/gender when in reality they are just unIikabIe c_nts." - Blair White
Who is this Blare White?
Blair White wins the prize!
Nobody wants to see female led action film?
Wonder Woman
Terminator
Aliens
Hunger Games
Underworld
If the film is good, we will watch. Granted, male led action movies are generally better. However, we like good female led films.
Yes, for me and I believe a lot of other people, the reason why we aren't watching isn't because it's a female superhero but because of the woke/feminist, man-hating message that a lot of these movies bring with it. I'd be completely fine with watching a female led action movie if it's not woke, not feminist, and has an interesting story.
@@PaulPavloPabloman hating messages?
Let’s not forget Dana Scully from the X files. She was a good character 👍🏽
Smart, tough, feminine, and bangin’.
and all of that without the need of a weak male cast (Mulder)@@michaelsegriff3362
Today she would be Gay and lame.
Aside from the obvious, another thing that has been completely lacking in the female led disney movies/shows, both SW and MCU, is the complete lack of the hero's journey. These characters pop out fully baked and no one cares about them because they aren't developed beyond I am woman, hear me roar.
Required someone new to the movie to watch like 2 movies, 3 TV shows and read the back of 6 cereal boxes to understand the plot.
Great news. Let's hope this horrendous corporation continues to lose money.
The Marvel films have become more and more childish and slapstick. What a waste of talent and money.
Boring for kids who imagine a more adult experience. Dreadfully dull for adults.
Do you remember when the Hulk was fury unleashed? When Thor was a noble Norse God? When Iron Man actually had to put on a physical suit instead of a flurry of CGI vomit appearing by magic?
They should be inspired by 'The Boys'. Superb!
Uma Thurman, Angelina, Mila Jo, Kate Beck, and so many more. Those movies actually have good stories though
When I’m told a movie wasn’t made for me … i don’t go see it
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TAKE MASCULINITY OUT OF COMICS !! PLEASE DONT RUIN WHAT GAVE US A CHILDHOOD AND IMAGINATION!!! STICK TO THE DAM COMIC BOOKS PLEASE GET IT AWAY FROM DISNEY !!!
Brie Larson is still making movies ? She should retire cause nobody wants to see her
It can only be intentional at this point. They know beforehand that these movies will flop. The real question you need to ask is why are they doing this?
No, it's the narcissism of the 'Woke', they they are convinced that they are 'right' and that everyone must be convinced/trained to think as they do, that's why, even in the face of the obvious, they simply blame their failures on other peoples deficiencies. Their work is never ending, lol.
This is a war of attrition. They are trying to tear down society and twist it into a reflection of their own mental frailty, perversion and wickedness.
I think they make more money inventing and then complaining about white males on social media
Satan knows that his time is almost over. Therefore, he is pulling all the stops to try to corrupt humanity before Christ returns.
@@nerychristian a movie flopping equates to the second coming? Golly.
Disney can’t continue to ignore that gender roles don’t exist. Most girls are not into superhero/comic book films. It’s okay to make movies for the actual demographic that watches these films.
''Captain Feminist and The Patriarchy's Stone'' cracked me up. 🤣🤣🤣
Every time I decide to not go see a movie, I am shocked and horrified at the horrific amount of violence I just perpetrated
You are a serial killer (of ticket sales at least)
Agreed. I’m at epic levels by now.
Hmm 🤔 😂 you must be gay.. no way this Marcel show is violence.
Hillary didn't win for a reason. It's the same reason the WNBA sucks. And it's the same reason for this movie.
All because Hillary is an evil witch?
Critic: "The story wasn't much, but the diversity was fabulous!"
When diversity is the primary goal, the result is always sh**. It’s inevitable.
I personally don't like superhero films. I don't find men or women in silly costume terribly convincing. But I don't think it helps that they make the women so unlikable, and also particularly unbelievable. It's hard to believe that anyone, male or female, can single-handedly fight off scores of opponents, but women with those kind of physiques just make it that much harder. If they had a superheroine that looked more like Sarah Connor, it might be more convincing. If they had a female character with flaws and weaknesses who can grow and change, it might be more interesting. Deborah went to the battle, not Esther. It's ok to have a Deborah now and then. We've had plenty of Esthers.
Most people don't realize Capitan Marvel was a black woman during the 80s. Why did they make her a woke white girl?
Honestly I don't think people have a problem with female heros, superheroes, and protagonists. There have been tons of successful franchises with that feature. It's when you go out of your way to include that for political purposes- to "teach" the people something instead of simply entertain them, that's when we pull away.
We don't turn to Hollywood for an education because that's not what they're good at it (to put it mildly), no matter how much they complain about that fact.
Let's not ask why. There is no point. Let's just be thankful it did.
Saying people dont like female led action movies is giving these movies FAR to much credit. These movies flopped because they are BAD not because they had female leads. Look at how successful the 90s charlies angels was or the original tv show compared to the feminist slop remake. People didnt show up because the movie sucked. Not because they cared about the leads being chicks.
I like watching movies and programs with female leads, but only when they act like women. Women, with all their warts and strengths, are INTERESTING. Forcing woke, fake bs into a script and making women out to be something they’re not makes me lose interest immediately. I just wouldn’t waste my money watching scripted anti-activism with a false narrative.
I actually disagree. I think it is how they present characters and stories. Weaver and Hamilton were strong characters who had personalities. They had character arcs. They had failures, struggles and setbacks and they rose to eventual success with their fans cheering for them because they had identified with them. They weren't heroes because they won. They were heroes because they struggled and people cared about them.
Larson and her costars don't have an arc. They are just awesome. Their writers thunk it is beneath them to struggle and they can skip the dramatic setbacks to get to them just walking up and taking what they want. Their only real antagonist is their inept male co-star characters who are just there to make Larson look even better by comparison.
It's lazy writing and people should acknowledge that.
Black Widow, when reviewing her arc through the films,is a other great example.
Yes. The problem is not "super action female lead" . We have Atomic Blond, Alien, Tomb Raider, Salt, etc. where women are the main character in an GOOD action movie. The problem is poor/lame scripts, horrible character development + destruction of others, like Thor and Nick Fury. Bot were mature badasses, and now, are just a joke of their past self.
@@cesarkopp2Atomic Blonde does not get enough love.
Nailed it. Best explanation.
You hit the nail....poor writing. My 10 year old can write a marvel movie man
Yeah, there is something about a 140 lbs. woman kicking the asses of ten 300 lbs. men that isn't quite believable.
f = ma
A feminist superhero movie by the director who helped ruin Candyman. Doom to fail from the beginning.
Sound Of Freedom was released on Blu ray / DVD this week. We had seen it in a theater and purchased it to watch again .... unbelievably powerful film , and beautifully photographed, stirring story line, characters you actually invest in from start to finish and the acting is the opposite of the scenery chewing Hollywood type. Not too many years ago , besides the huge response by the public without any meaningful PR budget the foreign director would be touted as the next genius and Hollywood would be not only begging him to bless one of their turds with his real talent , but the young foreign actors would be swooned by agents and awards..... but because the subject matter is an "inconvenient truth" for Hollywood.... and the real items for sale aren't dolls but the real children.... Disney refused to release it.
Finished in 2018 released in 2023. And still it was tried to be pushed back by promoting opper and barb hard. I'm glad they surpassed the 100 mill in the box office.
Real movies being pushed back if you see the storyline I wonder why!?