The Big Problem With The Marvels
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The Marvels isn't great! But it had potential. In this video, I go over where I feel like the latest adventures of Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel went off the rails. The MCU needed a lot more than this right now.
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Disney is at its worse.
@@SpammytheHedgehogthat has nothing to do with his comic
you just gonna ignore how much marvel has been pandering to a very small niche market while ignoring good story telling?
@@bettywhite2694 who is Marvel pandering to? If you answer something along the lines of "teh woke" I'll be disappointed..
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Marvel's problem for most movies of the past 4 years is that they have a character they want to sell you, but no script to do it with.
Not even that, they have a politics to sell you but can't write the characters nor the stories to do it, and they'll never have because the audience is not that gullible.
While simultaneously tearing down the characters people want in service of the characters they want you to want
This!!
It's been said before
But Super heros movies seem boring right now
They have been releasing to many movies. Thus it's not feeling like a fresh product to spend your money on seeing super hero movie #10002
What makes super heros cool is the fact it's not based in our reality, so its cool to see flying cars being thrown around like paper, crazy villains wrecking the world etc... But when it's been already 1000 movies of more or less the same thing, it loses its excitement
But i think the big problem is that super heros have such strong plot armor that it dosnt matter what happens they will survive it either way
Amen! That’s the problem in a nutshell
The moment when Carol had to teach Kamala about the harsh reality of not being to able to save everyone all the time was glossed over so quickly. I wish they would have dived deeper on that
Lmao, like why did they skip all potential for effective scenes and just rushed a Kree vs. Kree stale plot?
Yeah. And the silly girl still thinks she can go and start her own girl power team. Instead of clocking more valuable time being mentored by an actual senior hero.
Especially given how deep the "Kamala discovers her hero is kinda a fascist" plot goes in the civil war comics.
Also Kamala standing dead silent after being welcomed by her parents on Earth was so glossed over. It reminds me of young Eren who idolized the Survey Corps but then cries once he joined said corps and witnessed the Female Titan’s casualties.
@@camipcoI thought that was the route they were going and I was excited for a bit, but they dropped that almost immediately. I would’ve liked them to start setting up a Civil War 2 between the Avengers and Young Avengers and fix a lot of the problems the comic had.
There were rumors that apparently the musical planet was a much bigger thing in earlier cuts of the movie, but it got heavily edited down because test audiences hated it.
I wonder who their test audience is, I always get the feel that the people who are the loudest voices in being dissapointed in these films are not the people disney is targeting
@@3DBanditTutorialsBut at this point... Who's Disney target audience thou
@@3DBanditTutorials pretty sure it's still the most hated aspect of the movie lol.
😆 While I actually enjoyed that part of the movie, I can believe this.
It premier in a theater in Texas, that's what I heard.
In Doctor Who, sometimes a new traveling companion will witness the Doctor readily accept that they can’t save everyone. But, like, they’re horrified and shaken that the Doctor would choose to let people die. They’re not keen to let it go. They confront the Doctor, and they can be inconsolable for a bit. It’s an understandable reaction, some would say. And they usually think the Doctor is amazing too. So, I was expecting Kamala to demand answers or emotionally confront Carol after she let a bunch of Skrulls die. I was disappointed.
Very solid point of reference.
I immediately thought back to Across The Spider-Verse during this scene and what a superhero film SHOULD BE.
People forget that superheroes save people, they don’t just battle for the cosmos every week. That scene in ATSV where the spider team are trying to save everyone while spot ravages a world and causes a canon event to trigger is a perfect example of this.
I really thought that’s the kind of scene The Marvels was going for with that Skrull scene but… no, people just died. And we don’t even feel that action. Honestly I didn’t even notice any Skrulls got left behind until it was pointed out.
And then they let ANOTHER civilisation suffer huge casualties… OFF SCREEN!!!???
Yeah, I kinda wanted more of this too.
Yeah, this movie is like the Chibnall era.
That’s a great example.
@@mayotango1317 Do you mean Chibnall or is that a “Men in Black” reference? 😆
It’s pretty crazy that 60s Marvel got their big break / Renaissance thanks to introducing human conflict between superheroes and now the MCU absolutely refuses to introduce any serious human conflict or stakes.
Because then people will complain that the MCU has become too political..
Despite the fact it already has but with more pro military propaganda
The problem is that if they actually did the people that already call movies “woke” for having just a female or gay protagonist would hate it and call it too political. Which there wasn’t complaints in the 60’s for it but these days I feel like people want nothing about like real world conflict or problems to ever be mentioned in their fictional universes and it’s kinda aggravating a bit
@@wrestlinganime4life288 I enjoy Rorschach tests too.
@@uchihabomber1296 Not sure I understand your message but thanks for commenting!
It's that they stopped. In IM1, The moment the camera panned to a Stark Industries missile then Tony's face, we knew these stories would contain a heavy amount of accountability. There was none for Wanda, none for Carol. We want these characters to feel the superhuman weight of their superhuman actions on a human level. At some point they started letting characters off the hook for really wildly irresponsible behavior, like Dr strange's forget spell in NWH, or again Wanda glamouring a whole town. She should've been in strange's dungeon with the spidey villains. Hulk should be chased after like he's public enemy number 1. They skipped the whole part where Banner deals with Hulk's actions.
There's a lot of issues that the MCU is grappling with. One of the biggest is the fact that Endgame was a perfect jumping off point for causual mainstream fans with three fan favorite characters calling it quits. In comics, it's easy to kill off or otherwise shelve a character and bring them back later, but in movies it's a lot trickier with aging actors wishing to move on to different things and not wanting to be tied down to a franchise.
What's weird to me is the idea that a character can't be recast that easily. Comic books go through so many different art styles. Characters physical appearances change all the time. Marvel has a chance to normalize this in it's movies. Maybe they will once they figure out this multiverse stuff. It's not like people didn't understand that three different looking guys were all Peter Parker
@@ItsGamingFancy it's another way that movies differ from comics. It is established that certain actors essentially embody their characters, not just in comic book movies but in all movies with certain notable exceptions like James Bond. They come back 30 years later to play older versions of those characters and audiences love that kind of continuity. It ties in to celebrity worship culture, fandom and all of that. People very strongly associate actors with the characters they play.
In comic book movies they have to address this difference in actors. Through making it a wholly different character with a similar gimmick, or time travel or different universes or whatever the hell else. It's not a guarantee that some other guy playing Tony Stark would be rejected, but chances are very high that he'd be seen as Walmart brand Iron Man, or "Iron Man at home"
@@jokerzwild00 like I said, Marvel has a chance to normalize this. Game of Thrones changed a bunch of actors and they did just fine. Marvel's done it twice early on and people didn't generally care. They're probably going to be replacing Chadwick Boseman with his character's son but he'll still be the black panther named T'challa. They have the opportunity and every reason to if they want. And it would probably make casting people easier since they don't have to dedicate 15 years to one character if they don't want
That's me, I stopped reading comics in my 20s because there was too much continuity to keep track of. I liked early MCU because I didn't need to know a hundred background plotlines coming in. Nowadays the movies are in the same place the comics where when I stopped reading. Plus I already read the comics most of this stuff is based on anyway, so I don't feel like I'm missing out really
@@ItsGamingFancywhich characters did game of thrones change?
It’s like Disney/Marvel is afraid of having any conflict between their characters. They had the perfect opportunity to explore what would basically be the opposite of the Tony/Peter dynamic: a young person who realizes her idol is actually extremely flawed and ideologically opposes them. Imagine if instead of Monica, Kamala somehow sacrifices herself after Carol tells her she can’t save everyone and she says something like “no, but I can try”. Then of course Kamala’s family reacting to losing her and Carol having to be the one to tell them she failed them. Plus, it would make more sense for Kamala who had the mutant gene to end up in the X-men universe.
They seem afraid to make characters imperfect in general. If you look at successes like Guardians, Infinity War, Loki or Wandavision, in ALL of them the main, most loved characters are antiheroes or straight-out villains. They should have written Captain Marvel closer to how they wrote Sylvie, a bit of a lovable asshole
@@qwirkt I mean, in the comics she is kind of an asshole. That’s what makes her fascinating in my opinion. Marvel/Disney obviously wanted a character little girls could look up to, but Carol Danvers should not have been the one they went with. It’s like holding up Tony Stark as a role model for little boys.
There's a reason why even today people reference the Mr Incredible/Syndrome dynamic. The 'lost mentee/nemesis' is an seriously powerful idea.
@@xthelegend89 A lot of people DO idolize Stark, though.
@@qwirktI don't know, Tony seems like the perfect role model in my opinion. At least the publics idea of him post Iron Man reveal 🤣
I liked how they set up Captain Marvel to be this arrogant powerhouse in previous films talking about how she had to save the universe and not just Earth only to find out that she's been failing to protect anyone because she wanted to do everything on her own which created even more problems that eventually almost destroyed everything.
Well she saved many people, just really messed up with her first personal mission. Ending the Kree AI intelligence.
Exactly. They had this big opportunity to explore this Carol mistakes and insecurity, but they thought they were solving it by making her and Monica friends again really quickly at the end and "Oh! Just use your powers to give 'em back their sun!" out of nowhere.
I'm actually trying to solve this missed opportunities and rewrite this important scenes in the movie, as: the kree ai destruction, the sun "making" moment thing and show kind of a Carol's mental breakdown when she realizes she can't do it all by herself.
@@anti1trainingand let many more die in this film without any consequences lol
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero She can't save them all. That's the reality of super heroes in the semi real world. As she also states. Including when they got sent somewhere else mid fight.
That prompt of the team dynamic actually sounds engaging, it’s a shame the movie couldn’t fully embrace it and develop the characters
Right. On paper, their chemistry sounds like a knock out of the park. They actually have interesting personalities and dynamics. They really needed better writers on this project.
Yeah the characters were great. The story just felt rushed and shallow. What sucks is that talking about the actual problems draws out a bunch of anti-woke cringelords who just hate the characters for being non-sexualized women, who then drown out any intelligent criticism with their garbage. It’s frustrating .
I wonder what the original script was like. There are the obvious 'don't meet your heros' story line which must have been cut and reshot for the lighter version we got. It would be interesting to see what the original was that tested so badly.
The biggest problem with Carol is that the most important steps in her personal journey were in flashbacks rather than being seen play out in real time as she chooses her path forward and then realizes her mistakes and has to emotionally deal with the consequences. I feel like a second Captain Marvel movie where we see her become "The Annihilator" and also cope with Maria Rambeau's death would have made her a much more interesting and relatable character.
Yeah, I felt like this movie had its timeline muddled a bit. We didn't get enough back story for some characters, and we didn't see enough interaction or character development among the three leads. As much as I like this team-up, I wish we had gotten another Captain Marvel solo movie or two and maybe a Ms. Marvel solo movie or two. I feel like Iman Vellani's characterization of Kamala is too good to be trapped in an eight-episode streaming series.
I really think they needed to actually flesh out the characters more before they did this group film. I didn't watch WandaVision so I kinda glossed over the fact that Monica had superpowers.
7:30 in Bollywood (at least in the good movies) the songs add to the story. The lyrics mean something, the visuals during the song are like a music video that's part of the movie, and there's SOOO much potential for it to enhance your storytelling. But unfortunately these writers can't get past their "wHoA iSnT iT sO wEiRd AnD cRaZy hWoA" instinct which is a shame. A damn shame.
Musicals are one of those forms of media where being cynical and trope-savvy is veeeeery counterproductive. Part of the joy and fun with musicals is that audiences get the opportunity to not overanalyze the logic of something and just get swept up with simply **feeling** the moment. And that doesn't work in a movie/TV series like the MCU that is increasingly defined by its lack of sincerity and constant need to undercut its own narrative with jokes and sarcasm.
Captain Marvel can't hold a candle to Captain Midnight.
@jacobq.2204 "well if that person is a minority, WHY DO THEY EXIST" is what you just said
both of them suck
She could hold Captain Midnight's candle tho... ok, I will excuse myself out now 😂
Or Captain Morgan.
@@sathrielsatanson666 Ayo
Speaking for myself as well I don't have any real enthusiasm for marvel anymore. Genuinely the last MCU film I saw that I was genuinely excited for was guardians 3 and thank God that movie was great. It felt like an actual ending to a trilogy. A sense of finality that other movies have lacked.
I just couldn't get excited for this one at all. It's no fault of the actors by any means it's just my fatigue has finally set in.
If you haven't yet loki show is a great send off too for any last hope in marvel.
Brie Larson is just a deal breaker for me
Same here, Guardians 3 was an excellent conclusion.
So the last marvel movie you were genuinely excited for was the previous one that came out.
_Definitely_ watch Loki
I think the OG X-Men actors are still showing up because they want to close out those actors (mainly for the fans) before they’re replaced with new versions of those characters.
The OG actors might still technically be portraying new characters, but they’re essentially the spirit of the Fox characters for the viewers.
But Kelsey Grammer's Beast was already replaced by Nicolas Hoult's. They didn't need to have him (though I love Grammer as that character). I think they are deliberately bringing these old characters back for cameos in alternate universes to tease the audience, gauge interest, and remind people that these characters will be coming back someday.
This is honestly my biggest problem with marvel. I want so badly to care about these characters and be invested in their stories, but marvel constantly tells me to not care about them. They’re just here to make jokes, beat up bad guys, and that’s all they’re good for.
I hear what Midnight is saying here about the movie being muddled. Most of the MCU has thrived by having a strong sense of both theme and genre. Theme is the lesson of the movie (e.g., Tony Stark can't do it all) while genre is the familiar trope the film appeals to (Captain America is Saving Private Ryan, but it's capes; Ant-Man is Misssion Impossible, but it's capes, etc.). I don't think either really stuck out here, and a lot of post Phase 4 seem to not have a strong sense of either theme or genre in the end. I guess the Marvels' theme was "clean up your mess," but the genre is lost on me.
I'd argue that Cap 1 was more like Indiana Jones.
it’s almost like the genre is ‘marvel movie’. leave it to disney to learn all the wrong lessons
popcorn superhero movie has become its own genre... but indeed it's barely real
I'd say Antman was rather weak on genre too. The caper feel got lost when it tried to lean too hard on sci-fi and family. It was just saved by Edgar Wright's leftovers and composer Christophe Beck, who understood the assignment.
@@EGRJWasn't Joe Johnston the art director for Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Most Fair Review of this Movie, I’ve seen so far. It’s a charming Movie, but so Sloppy, it’s frustrating only because it had Potential, but it didn’t commit to its theme about the The Fantasy vs the Reality of being a Hero, it didn’t commit to the Singing Planet, the very least they could have done is make a catchy song, and it didn’t commit to its own Hero’s. Had it done those things maybe it could have been really good, (but people were gonna hate on it anyways).
Dan Murrell? He did a wonderful review of this movie and told you why it didn't work for him.
@@babytoshiro7014 I just looked up reviews for this movie, and nearly all of them are the "ANTI-WOKE/ANTI-SJW" blokes who just whine about the same talking points ad nauseam with no actual criticism that would "improve" on how the script or framing of scenes could be better.
That musical note really makes me appreciate how well ST: Strange New Worlds pulled off its musical episode; not just having the musical elements as set dressing but committing to the bit and using the genre tropes to flesh out and amplify character arcs
Kamala proving to be the standout isn't too surprising, I look forward to seeing her in the role in future projects
The musical planet was cringe as fuck, and not just because I hate musicals (the only exception being Sweeney Todd). It tugs way too hard on the suspension of disbelief that these planets so many light years away from Earth are filled with Earth tropes. I don't blame the film writers completely as I imagine they're just pulling material from the comics, but there is so much room for more creativity than taking an earth trope and making it the entire basis for a civilization.
GotG, as much as I love that trilogy, does this quite a bit.
I don't have much to say, but it is so weird to me that a few years ago, the idea of a MCU movie bombing was utterly unthinkable. Most would have scoffed at anyone who even remotely suggested anything like that. Now, there have been at least three in the past year or two.
But that asks the big question: do fans want the MCU saved? It's like they want to move on, but they also can't move on because Marvel will keep going without them and they can't stand that. Good or bad, Marvel Studios will keep making films/shows, and that bruises a lot of fans/creators who once thought they had a symbiotic relationship with this media.
This should be a reminder to everyone that nothing is invincible forever.
This might sound cynical and pretentious but the decline of the MCU gives me a lot of hope. People always talk about general audiences as mindless slop consumers, and maybe they are, but the fact that they're waking up to the MCU's factory-line nonsense is promising, especially with the success of movies like Barbie and Oppenheimer. Regardless of my opinion on those movies, it's great to see creative standalones making a comeback today, where so many people convinced themselves that franchise filmmaking is the new normal.
@@racoobi I feel pretty much the same way. Although the oft mentioned "superhero fatigue" has been question by some analysts, I can personally attest to having it. There are just an overload of these movies that I hope the DCEU and MCU bombs sends signals for other genera to the film industry.
@@racoobi Yeah but the problem is they are still flocking to IP. Barbie was indeed a great subversive exploration of womanhood and masculinity, but it was still based on the signature doll property. Oppenheimer likely wouldn't have been as big a hit if not for its director, one of the few living franchise filmmakers out there. And in between them was the Super Mario Bros. Movie, which needs little introduction.
Perhaps the big issue is that, for a long time, there was this dominant Gen X/early millennial mentality dominating Hollywood's attempt to reboot/sequel-ize all the classic IP. But now we've reached the point where late millennial/Gen Z viewers are demanding more than just old-school classics rebooted. And the gift/curse of Marvel was how we got ten different "new" IPs wrapped in one mega-franchsie. Take that away, and there's very few original IP made in the last few years beyond John Wick.
I know somebody who took her ten year old daughter to see this movie and thought it was perfect for her, but she wouldn't let her see Guardians of the Galaxy volume three earlier this year because she thought it was too dark and intense. Having different movies for different audiences doesn't really work for an interconnected universe where the idea is to get everyone to watch everything to get the whole story.
I like how every single Avenger and ally who witnessed Natasha and Tony Stark's deaths in Endgame pretty much got over it sans Spider-Man and Hawkeye.
Considering that the Multiverse Saga is supposed to be a follow-up to Endgame's shenanigans, pretty much everyone moved on. No impact on Wanda, Falcon, Bucky, Strange, Thor, Valkyrie, Shuri, Captain Marvel, Nick Fury. Such a missed opportunity to explore that fallout.
I mean, I actually kind of get the idea that Spider-Man and Hawkeye were that way because they had a special relationship with Tony and Natasha respectively. Tony was Peter's mentor at a very formative time in his life and Natasha was already like a sister to Clint and his emotional lifeline during the blip. Other people knew them and cared about them, but they were either older people who were familiar with losing friends or didn't know them as well or dearly.
I think I've heard enough of the current MCU, but I am glad to watch a video from someone who sounds like they actually watched the movie and is really commenting about things that happened in it, so refreshing in this platform.
I agree man cuz it seems a lot of the hate are people who just went it expecting to hate it regardless plus most people calling it garbage didn’t ACTUALLY watch the movie
@@uchihabomber1296welln not surprising aince there are people on YT who made thousands of dollars shitying on the first Captain Marvel movie even befoee it was released.
@@uchihabomber1296cuz no one wants to waste time and money seeing what the same pattern has been for years
Called having instincts and experience of expecting things to be good but turn out to be the opposite….this is proof that the status quo hadn’t changed, so why should people care? The MCU deserves all the hate it gets cuz it does it to themselves on purpose by now
@@ninjanibba4259 But you can’t give your opinion on a movie you haven’t even watched yet. While I do believe the MCU definitely deserves all the criticism it’s getting I still think people gotta at least watch the movie first before they wanna call it the worst they ever seen. Especially when Thor the Dark World still exist 😮💨
@@uchihabomber1296 it may not be the worst they ever saw, that doesn’t mean it’s not bad in comparison, Thor 2 compared to the new MCU is just justifying the bad writing in The Marvels, Dark World had stakes and and least had respect for the characters in it, can’t say the same for anything in phase 4 and 5
Another thing I've noticed is that clothes and costumes in the movies, both real and cgi, look just so cheaply made.
By being extremely expensive.
Odds are it's rushed cgi by an overworked underpaid artist
I think it's because in spite of all the budget. Disney has gone on autopilot for the Marvel movies. It just seems like so many of the films are rushed or feel like they were slapped together in some way without much care.
@@ApocalypticRenegade when so many of the films fail, it is a leadership problem. I thought the problem was the writers, but it seems like every project was awckwardly mangled with. Remember all those scenes cut from Hawkeye? You can tell the writer wanted those in, the director shoot and completed them and somehow they were cut. Those look like committee decisions missing the point from the ones who actually make this stuff work.
Even with the X-Men cameo at the end of the film, I can't bring myself to feel excitement at the prospect of their inclusion in future installments.
the M-She-U killed the MCU
@@raunchyavocato Oh but when it was the M-He-U and women were treated badly, that was fine?
@@ShadowSonic2When did that happen??
All the main male characters of the infinity war era had flaws in them and were more human but nowadays all the female replacements have no flaws they are perfect since birth the only thing holding them back is patriarchy and MEN.
Do you wonder why captain marvel,ms marvel and iron heart comics sales are at a peanut numbers and repeatedly gets cancelled and Japanese manga has already eaten their shares in the market by a huge margin. Comics in comic store are being replaced by mangas of jjk,demon slayer,spyxfamily ,chainsaw man,etc with great relatable story and with actual strong powerful women(especially in jjk and chainsaw man).
@@sammybosak10 Bro really think JJK is a good example💀. In the manga, if you're a female character, and your name isn't Maki, then you're just a background, or a jobber for the main villain
@@joebin3106 YES JJK has quite bit of women fanbase and doing insanely well manga sales and anime veiwer ship.
Demon slayer alone sold more copies than entire marvel and dc comics combined in past few years 💀 and your fav woke comic writers are crying about poor sales and some lost their jobs and are on protest lmao no sympathy for them.
4:55 LITERALLY. Conflicts like this and tensions like this would make resolutions more justifiable. Instead of Carol seeing Monica for the first time in like 15-20 years and being like ''Oh sorry i left'' and Monica being ''yeah i get it'' ???????????? It's insane! So much missed opportunity and i cannot begin to explain how much it pisses me off? Or When Kamala sees Carol in a different light for the first time and it's brushed off by Carol saying ''Sorry I yelled'' and then it's followed by a joke, instead of building up more to that apology, creating more tensions, more emotional build up, more risks
what bothers me the most is that with this film they had everything served on a silver plate regarding character development and emotional build up. They had Monica and Carol's complicated relationship - they haven't seen each other in so long, Monica felt abandoned for years and should hold animosity towards Carol due to being deeply hurt. And on the other hand we have Kamala, a complete opposite to Monica - a fangirl who idolizes Carol and sees only the best in her. And then we have Carol, a lonely, flawed human, who hasn't worked in a team in a long time, likes to ignore emotional conflicts and run away from problems, rather than address them.. and then you have all 3 forced to be around each other due to their powers - which should create immense pressure, for Carol especially, since there are two people who see her in completely different lights and have completely different expectations. and she can't run away this time but has to face them, while also trying to save the world. The fact that even saving the world she now can't do alone, because the other 2 are caught in so she has to find a way to work it out. There should be more struggle, more at stake, more responsibility that she would feel to protect the two, more seriousness, layers, emotion etc.
And even though they had all of this so perfectly ready to build upon.. they merely scratched the surface and did absolutely nothing with the characters, 0 emotional build up, 0 satisfaction, 0 tension, 0 villain actual presence or story impact (whatever tf happened with the musical planet after the marvels left???).. It felt so rushed, as if no thought was put into it, as if 100 different people who never met each other worked on the film without communicating. It's so frustrating for real because it could have been so glorious and deep..
The musical planet sounds like it was probably cut down or changed from the original plans. That sounds like a shame cause I think there could be some real potential there. Kamala (who I have heard is pretty close to her comic counterpart) loves Bollywood films and I could imagine a planet that's a Bollywood style musical to be a dream come true. Then you could contrast that with Carol who finds the high energy joy to be like nails on a chalkboard with how turbulent her emotions are cause of the incoming invasion. Hell, you could even have it be what sparks a big argument between them. Carol loses her temper because it seems like Kamala isn't taking things seriously and Kamala gets upset because she's had it with Carol being so cold to her for (as far as she can tell) no real reason.
Here's the direction I wish they'd done. Kamala, who idolizes the hell outta Danvers, should have witnessed her doing something difficult, but completely against what she thought was right. Imagine Kamala crying and yelling "I hate you!" While Danvers feels reluctantly justified but wishing she didn't.
The movie sorta had a moment like that early on, where Carol makes a call that Kamala *really* doesn't like, but then doesn't really go anywhere with it. As I recall, Kamala just references it later when they have their collective "let's air our grievances" moment before the climax.
Awwwwww
I think the thing that made me most angry about missed opportunities was the obvious Superman story that they could’ve told with Carol, she just went and re-charged the sun for the Cree home planet and that makes everything OK now. I don’t know if it’s All Star Superman but there’s a DC story where he hast to do the same thing but he has to go inside the core of the sun and he basically has to power it and keep it going so that it doesn’t burn out and can’t ever leave so it’s kind of an ultimate sacrifice so when it came time for her to do that or the face any kind of justice from the lives she affected, nah she just flies right through it status quo restored and everything’s hunky-dory
If there's one thing that musical numbers *don't* need, it's self-aware irony "humor."
Making a movie that is a follow-up to 3 series on a paid streaming service sure was a thing they did
Bob Iger himself admitted that was a misstep, but even a random janitor working at Disney corporate could have told you that. You're expecting general audiences to pay for a streaming service and commit to multi-episode shows just to understand a movie plot line? My friends that I went to see this with love Marvel movies, but they don't have D+ and hadn't seen a second of WandaVision or Ms. Marvel, so I had to explain those plot threads to them. Even the Alamo Drafthouse knew this and was doing a recap of those shows before the previews started.
CM didn't even address how Tessa Thompson was completely wasted.
@robertmonroe9837 They were both at the Battle of Earth, so it's reasonable to assume they met and became friends.
Technically two series and a feature film, but yeah, big misstep.
@robertmonroe9837it's not unheard of. Strange and Wanda had never met on screen before and no one cares.
@robertmonroe9837 that doesn't change the fact that it was really stupid and no one bitches.
I wonder if the movie would be stronger if Monica was either cut or had her role scaled back a lot.
The movie has to juggle three leads, one of which is already familiar but also underdeveloped because she’s spent most of her screentime before this with amnesia/false memories, and two of which are mostly new characters for people who don’t watch the shows (Monica was in Capt Marvel but as a child instead of as an adult hero).
If the movie was just a teamup with Carol and Kamala, then the movie would’ve had more time to examine their dynamic and deal with themes about how heroes don’t live up to unrealistic expectations and about mentorship.
Kamala could have to deal with disappointment when she hears about what Carol did to the Kree planet, and Carol could have to deal with her annoyance at Kamala putting her on a pedestal mixed with not trusting some kid who has never been to space before with being up to the job but reluctantly bringing her along anyway because she has the bangle. Then over the course of the movie they could have reconciled and Carol and Kamala could start having a healthy mentor/mentee relationship.
It needed a 6 episode mini series and not a movie to tell the story. They needed us to know the characters better for the end to have any emotional impact.
Monica was not that impactful either in Wandavision. She was basically a staller to give some suspense to the revelations from the show. She was pretty much a plot device that could have been replaced or cut from both projects.
They put them all there because they know captain marvel is never getting another movie and they needed some way to bring the other two from TV to the big screen
I don’t think Monica being there is the issue. I believe they setup so many different and interesting ideas but decided not to flesh them out. Monica resents Carol for her apparent abandonment but does not show it after confronting her about it. The conflict between Carol and Kamala is during the Skrull massacre is dealt with in the very next scene. The worst offender in my eyes is Monica seeing her past self in Kamala, that had so much potential to be a great plot point but it was only vaguely alluded to.
Juggling three characters does seem daunting, but I just think about how Guardians 1 handles four deep characters and a Groot and somehow forges a dynamic between all of them without any prior emotional investment. Here we have three characters that already have feelings towards one another and the movie still struggles to explore those dynamics, which is a shame.
Id be very interested in hearing your take on the MCU X-Men. And using CGI for Beast instead of makeup was a letdown, but im sure Kelsey Grammer insisted upon it.
Finally, someone who understands what (probably) happened. While I don't know for sure the reason behind the all-CGI Beast, if anyone takes the time to research how 68 yesr old Kelsey has been speaking and behaving the past several years, they might understand why he wouldn't be on board to spend 4+ hours in a makeup chair for 20 seconds of screentime.
I'm so scared... After Falcon and Winter Soldier I don't trust the MCU handling the Xmen..
The main theme of the Xmen is social injustice.. The MCU handles these themes poorly, plus ragging fan boy would called it too political.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 Meanwhile the refugees (not even just immigrants, but refugees) are portrayed as a dangerous villain in Secret Invasion.
But it comes down to the creators and how much freedom Disney is willing to grant them.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 yeah I don't get Disney/Marvel like they want to put a plot point about racial, social, generational trauma, refugee injustice/trauma & immigration injustice yet does a piss poor half assed way of addressing them before ultimately making them the bad guys.
@@kazinadbiralamadit6905and the people who call marvel woke don't understand the plot enough to realize they're actually being "anti woke" or whatever lol.
I think the film is another victim of the studio panic after a bad test screening so they resort to just cutting out as much as possible hoping it solves the issue.
Interesting. I read Carol as being very anxious to fix whatever problem was in front of her due to her guilt. I though Brie Larson communicated a lot of that anxiety in her subtle performances. But I do agree that they didn't take this group dynamic far enough and we were left with a pretty anti climatic third act.
Subtle my ass
She didn't seem to have any measure of guilt. If anything she just seemed embarrassed. She had no reaction at all when she left those Skrull to die, and then a short while later abandoned her husband's planet to die too.
Kamala Khan is really likeable but I think she is wasted in the movie. Captain Marvel has an arrogant streak and it could be interesting for a story with Khan growing as a person learning her heroes are not everything she thought they were. The film was bizarre, with the planet where everyone only communicated by singing and Captain Marvel was the Queen. The weirdest part was the cats, they swallowed humans to save space (not joking) and spat the humans out afterwards without any consequences. Captain Marvel is Superman without Kryptonite and this makes the film boring, there is no point you feel she is in danger.
Honestly its refreshing to hear your take on the film, i personally havent seen it yet and im gonna wait till it comes out on plus, but every review I see is how "its the worst mavel movie ever made" and its old quick, its nice that you pointed out some positives for it and ideas that couldve worked well. That sorta break down is something I wished internet reviews did more. I appreciate your opinion and good luck with the new comic, it looks awesome.
It’s not the worst movie. Far from it. It’s more somewhere in the middle where there’s pacing issues but the strong chemistry makes its story work enough.
Absolutely. So many videos about how the movie is a terrible woke "girl power" movie or complete garbage when its really not. Its just an average Marvel movie with some good stuff and some stuff they could have done better.
@Phoenix_of_Sun yeah and honestly while some project do feel "woke" it's not every single project that has women leads, I think the mcu is just lacking proper direction and overall care and it shows. It's a mindless machine with small glimpses of what used to be. Honestly I hope with all the delays we just get good projects like we used too
It is crap movie ... Wtf are you smoking ? 🤣🤣🤣
@@precarious_platypus7346 Yeah, 100%. They have been on autopilot with no one watching the controls. But, this movie feels feeling like an attempt at a course correction. I wonder if they just didn't have enough time to fully pull it off.
The Marvels is literally my least favorite MCU movie and my third least favorite comic book movie. Just behind Spider-Man: Lotus and Madame web. Writing feels like they used AI to write it, story is all over the place, the characters are poorly written, pacing made it feel like a waste of time, Dar-Benn makes Malekith look like Thanos, CGI looks like it was made through PowerPoint, and the acting is absolutely pathetic (except for Iman)
And the fact that Rotten Tomatoes became so desparate that they used bot reviewers to protect the film from negative reviews. But unsurprisingly, it has the lowest IMDb rating in the MCU. They were so desparate that they tried using clips from Iron Man 3, The Avengers, and Avengers: Endgame in a desparate attempt to promote the film and laughably, no one fell for it. They really thought we were that stupid. I think the MCU should have just rebooted after Endgame.
This is spot on. The MCU keeps running from character tension to pursue plot tension, but the truth is that any great story has and needs both.
I avoided seeing this in theaters because I was told it was that bad… but when I went and saw it I was pleasantly surprised honestly. It’s way more of a clear movie than what we’ve got recently and even better than her first movie outing. Kinda wish people weren’t over negative about it, I might’ve actually went to see it in theaters instead
They could've easily made this movie more interesting by focusing on Kamala's doubt on Carol Danvers heroism after the Skrull's rescue mission. Adding to that with Monica's dislike to Carol, the team becoming less durable and easily defeated by Dar-Benn.
Finally these two heroes seeing what Carol's true self as she sacrificed herself to close final portal. And here's where Kamala and Monica step up to prevent Carol from dying in closing the portal. But here's the twist, Monica's light powers somehow being sucked into another universe and she's stranded into another universe.
The ending could've still played the same in the movie but this time Dar-Benn lives and Carol realise that her powers could jumpstart Hala's star, saving Hala from destruction. Dar-Benn still hates Carol for what she did to Hala 30 years ago but this time Carol chose to stay in Hala, fixing her past mistakes.
I really LOVED "Thor: Love & Thunder". I love how it wrapped up.
I am stoked to see "The Marvels" this week from my local library!
The only thing wrong with the Mavels is the people who paid to see a movie, just to hate on it for no reason... I thought it was a fun movie...
I wouldnt say hate, cause thats extreme but from what im seeing, people have had legit reasons to dislike the film.
@@JamesYusof I didn't see anything to dislike about it... It was a fun harmless movie...
Ngl I think seeing Kamala family ( a bunch of normal people) being on involved was pretty funny. I see her mom taking her purse up to the Saber Station and I literally imagine my mom doing the same thing, bring her purse of all things
It is interesting to watch the movies fall into the same traps and pitfalls that comics struggle with. It is like early 90s X-men with a million titles and crossovers that ended up saturating the market. Speaking of X-men, that scene with Beast was a callback to the first appearance of the character Binary in the comics.
Great video. Conflict is what moves the plots foward, it's what makes stories interesting and make characters grow. The movie could have explored better thoses expectations about the myth of Captain Marvel that Marvel Studios tried so hard to create, but it only scratches that. Considering the weird editing of this movies, I do believe there is a better version out there.
Iman Vellani is the best in this she has so much energy that no one can get mad at!!! ⚡️⚡️⚡️
One of my mentors was Saul Zaentz. He once told me not to produce a movie every year, but every seven years, and always win an Oscar. Time makes for quality of projects, when you can throw ideas around, until the story you want to tell reveals itself. And a lot of footwork and research. If I would be Marvel, I would have milked Endgame for a few years, start on a few TV Series that might introduce new characters, and every 3 years come out with a super movie, which then could be milked for a few years, supported by new TV shows.
It’s so heartwarming to hear how well Captain’s campaign is already turning out. Looking forward to what else he comes up with.
People complain the Marvel movies are all the same, then complain when they do something different.
What went wrong? Whoever greenlit this script
Exactly.
It’s a mismatch of multiple different scripts. It’s been delayed a bunch and re-written a bunch.
But the concept isn't actually bad. Few just a few story changes we could have had something really really interesting (especially with modern news stories)
1) ms marvel and captain marvel should start off as friends and captain marvel admires ms marvels heroics and powers. But captain marvel should have not felt bad for killing the super ai kree and when ms marvel finds out she should be upset and start siding with the villian.
2) the moral should be about what is a "hero" is a hero someone who kills every villian in the way to create justice or about saving as many people as you can no matter what alien race they are and despite politics in the universe.
No, i'm not!
god you made me realize what we lost by talking about how the singing planet would communicate in battle- i get chills thinking about how cool they could’ve made that the music could’ve gone hard
One of things I consistently notice about "girl power" movies is that the writers have no confidence in their characters. That's why writers have to compare their female characters against their male counterparts. They need to trust their female characters. Expose their flaws and weaknesses and doubts... and trust that they can overcome any challenges. RRR was such a brilliant movie because they went all in... and boy it turned out so good. I hate dances and singing in movies, but RRR sold it.
I'd argue that confidence and sincerity is essential for any over-the-top, bizarre, or emotional story to work. Unfortunately, confidence and sincerity is impossible when the MCU's signature move is to undercut every moment with bad jokes like they're desperately embarrassed of themselves.
In this movie they never compared these characters to any sort of male counterparts. Aside from Nick Fury I don't think there was even a male hero named in the movie. It was just the three girls going on a fast and fun adventure to save some wormhole technology.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 "to save some wormhole technology"? Kinda sounds like you didn't watch the movie.
And OP's right, the refusal to give the characters weaknesses is why these films are so weak. If Disney's plan is to hold up "Captain Marvel" as an avatar of female-ness and an icon for women to strive to be, then they probably think giving her a character flaw would be the same as telling women that they were flawed. That's the problem with representation when you make it a priority over character and story.
@@peacemaster8117Wonder Woman had no flaws or failings, no one complained
@@ShadowSonic2 her lack of experience, naivete, a lack of knowledge about the gender roles in society... she was made a perfect warrior by the Amazon but she had to learn how to operate in a world outside of Themyscira. While Diana may be invulnerable, her heart was broken with Steve's death.
I guess I'd known already, but looking up Beast's reveal solidified to me that I simply do not care in the slightest about the MCU anymore. 5 years ago i would have been freaking out about it. Now tho, my reaction was "Oh. Ok."
Marvel Studios really needs to change things up if they want to stay relevant. Aside from a couple exceptions, I come out of most Marvel projects these days with the thought of, "Well that could've been a lot better." Like, they're still adapting these incredible stories, so we know the basic premise can be done well, but they're just failing so hard at every turn. It really just feels like all the passion is gone.
Hey! I appreciate your character breakdown of Captain Marvel. I was relating with her a lot more in this movie and wouldve liked to see those team dynamics and her wrestling with her humanity and mistakes.
Same here
I actually loved the Sony X Men movies, so if they do Marvel tie ins, I'm down for it.
I have a feeling that they had a much more ambitious movie planned, then stripped off a bunch of things to make it short enough to try to appeal to their target audience of young girls.
I actually really liked this movie, I honestly thought it was better then Ant-Man.
Khamala and Monica were definitely the best parts of the movie.
Being better than Ant Man is a low bar
@@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fiwhich ant man though
@@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi I should have said is better then most Superhero movies this year, and on par with Guardians 3 which imo wasn't as great as others thought. I liked Shazam 2, but it could have been better.
Being better than Ant-Man 3 is not saying much at all.
@@mandalorianhunter1this is not as good as guardians 3
Prolly the most honest review I’ve seen for this movie. Good video bro.
Relying on Spaceballs for a key plot point may not have been the best idea.
they did WHAT
I never bought a female Capt. Marvel, Ms Marvel, or a Proton comic, I sure in the hell wasn’t going to spend $30 to see a movie of them.
But you had no problem with the Guardians?
These movies are not cinematic anymore, plain and simple, they look lazy with no style nor language, no dynamic story structures, no demanding performances for the actors, boring set designs, horrible art design, amateur camera work and lighting, bad VFX, and most importantly BAD STORIES WITH BADLY WRITTEN CHARACTERS. Fix that and you get the MCU glory back.
God, I feel that point you made about the characters not having any interpersonal conflict with each other. I feel they did that cuz its not Girl power-y to have the girls arguing with each other.
(Mini Rant)
I had that same problem with Barbie. I felt it was super unrealistic for all the female characters to get along. There was some tension with Weird Barbie but that went away fast when the conflict became about the Kens. I dunno... it feels so disingenuous for all the girls to be buddy buddy all the time in these "girl power" films. Haven't seen The Marvels but the situation you described reminds me of that problem I had with Barbie.
Yes but no to the Barbie part. The whole point of all the Barbie’s getting along is they lived in a perfect world which was opposite of real world where all the women (daughter and mom) were constantly fighting. Marvel definitely does this tho, they never flesh out female characters with conflict
Yeah, the training montage with the three of them becoming besties felt completely unearned.
The moment Brie Larson thought she was the real Captain Marvel.Is what failed the movie series.
I'm so glad you mentioned that it's not as bad as Thor Love and Thunder. This movie wasn't as bad as critics say it was. It was funny and entertaining
I wonder if they resolved the interpersonal conflict because 1: the film got a short run time. 2: they probably think these 3 will never interact again
Thank you for making this review without bitching about how “woke” the MCU has become
At this point, I feel it's sort of redundant to have Deadpool in the MCU. A big part of his character is ridiculing things that take themselves too seriously. However, if the actual serious things end up ridiculing themselves (ie this movie with the dance scene) what's the point of including him in the first place?
YES I WANT A VIDEO WITH HOW MARVEL/DISNEY is handling the x-men so far
It's a meh movie, but had the misfortune of being released when it was. The MCU had meh movies before, which didn't get the same hate
Captain Marvel reminds me of the Twelfth Doctor in series 8 of Doctor Who, in that it feels like the writers are still struggling to figure out what kind of entertaining personality to give to the character.
Luckily, the Twelfth Doctor would later go on to absolutely kill it and become maybe my favorite incarnation of the character in the show's history, so fingers crossed that Captain Marvel will get there eventually too!
Agree. She has so much potential.
Marvel chracters/story lines will always be best left to our imagination, remember reading the newest issue and being excited for the next issue, you start to imagine whats going to happen, you visualize what the characters look like to you, now youre spoon fed what a studio executive thinks they should look like and how the story goes, not saying there is no place for the movies because there is but not every damn month, I believe the Buggles said it best with the song "Video killed the radio star"
I mostly agree with the review (I think I was more pleasantly surprised). What I wanted to add is that the original length film would not have had the problems cited: clearly the water planet was longer, but cut down for fear based on pre-reviews. Also there was clearly more done but cut bits of Cap M's angst/PTSD with her dreams which was just lightly remained. What was cut, I believe, were the bits you say should've been in the film, and that after cutting were replaced with quick solutions. All done because Marvel was really panicking. I think the film we got showed what the film could have been... and what you said should have been. It's a real shame. And yes, much better than Thor... but I would say the best phase IV film (as Spidey and GOTG are outside it).
I really hate the idea of bringing back the old Fox X-Men. We sent that series off into the sunset about a thousand times now.
What are you talking about? They were building to Mr. Sinister as their big bad.
@@agentofchaos7456 ... The reveal of Rambeau being in the X-Men universe with Kelsey Grammar Beast... Obviously.
@@agentofchaos7456 Also, no one gives a flying fuck about Mr. Sinister.
@@TacticusPrime I was referring to the second part of your post.
@@agentofchaos7456 Logan was a goodbye to the Fox X-men. Last Stand was a goodbye. Days of Future Past was a goodbye. Dark Phoenix was a goodbye, and helmed by the same dickwad that wrote Last Stand!
I actually really enjoyed this movie, but it took three 5-hour TV shows of homework and who knows how many movies (Probably only Captain Marvel and GotG, but let's be real here). I was always a comic book fan, but what I gravitated to most about the MCU was it's accessibility. I didn't have to have spent the past 5 years reading 4 different comic book titles with 8 different story lines to know what was going on with the newest team-up. I could go into the movie not really having much knowledge of who or what these characters were, or at the very least, only a couple movies worth of backstory.
The MCU has now shifted to it's comic book counterpart in how stories are told. I feel I'm in the minority when I say I enjoy that level of interconnectivity, lore and backstory. I can't imagine being a casual movie goer coming into this movie and not having spent the time watching TV shows and countless movies that, let's be honest, haven't all been hits. In comics I've had to endure terrible writer runs, resets, revives, etc. and the MCU did one thing wrong: IT DIDN'T RESET AFTER END GAME.
Had the MCU done as it's comic book predecessors have when the viewing public gets complacent or the interconnectivity gets too jumbled or a writer moves on... Had it properly reset and started fresh, it would probably be in a much better state.
The MCU IS building towards a reset, we can all see it. But it's taking far too long to get there and they're going to start seeing bombs. Problem is, the money is still rolling in.
Like Nando said, it's a weak criticism. Yeah, sure you get somw additional background about the bangle if you watched Ms. Marvel but I doubt you would be lost without watching it.
You're criticism is even sillier when you're talking about 3 tv shows? Secret Invasion had nothing to do with it, it was supposed to be released after Marvels. I guess you thinking about WandaVision too, huh? Come on, all the lore you could use from that show watching the Marvels can be summed up by: Monica got Photon powers because of Wanda. Hardly necessary.
@@sathrielsatanson666 I went in without watching any of their previous shows and movies and the only things I was lost on was the space politics stuff from Captain Marvel's movie. And by the finale they explained that as well.
No homework was remotely necessary.
I literally just brought up almost all the same points in a discussion with a friend earlier today. The movie isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be, but it could have been so much better.
I could definitely see you doing a video on the X-Men and why Marvel should start fresh with the characters instead of just relying on the old Fox cast.
10:27 the issue is that, legally speaking, they actually cannot cast anybody new for X-Men movies until after 2026 due to prior contracts with prior actors, so they have to go to the well of Fox actors until then, unless said character hasn't been portrayed yet, like Mojo, Mr. Sinister, etc. Hard for them to wait in the current state of everything.
Thanks for not being like nerdrotic and constantly saying "M-she-U" and "Her-o" ALL the freaking time
You guys are giving me hope. Sometimes it feels like the existence of women gets blamed for everything. I mentioned once it was too bad the movie underperformed, and a dude told me it’s because “comicbook movies aren’t for women.” Lmao in 2023, good grief.
@@Fantallana I hope we get a lot more awesome women characters in the MCU. Unfortunately I’ll have to wait a bit since most of my favorite women Marvel characters are tied to the X-Men brand, but here’s hoping I can at least get Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman in the MCU.
My cat thinks there was not enough character development and back story for Goose.
Whoever was in the kitchen, they burned down the neighborhood. Maybe the city with how bad this is.
Its the Disney Curse. The big mouse really corrupts any franchise it touches.
I honestly did enjoy the movie but man did the villain suck but I do think they really could’ve improved it more for the plot at least. I think the people calling it the worst MCU movie ever are just being WAYY too dramatic and don’t know how to enjoy a Marvel movie anymore plus I feel like they just went in expecting to hate it anyway so there wasn’t any hope to begin with. I’d also say most people calling it garbage haven’t even seen the movie and expect a review to just summarize the whole movie for them.
Alot of reviewers I watched wanted to give the movie a chance and most of them thought it was the worst marvel movie ever made and they gave valid reasons for it. So what exactly did you enjoy about the movie? If you want to invalidate someone else's opinion, you most atleast have good reasons to back up yours.
@@shortznig2938 Yeah that’s fair. Personally I was a fan of the action scenes and the concept of them constantly switching anytime they would use their ability it was an interesting idea and a unique dynamic since all three of them are related to Carol Danvers in some way or form so it worked out in a team based way. Personally I wasn’t a fan of the villain either and I’d say she’s incredibly forgettable but she did have good reasons for doing the stuff she did since they live on a planet with no sun and barley any air. I’d say I was fan of Ms.Marvel and Spectrum (Monica) more than Carol tho but I enjoyed Spectrums powers more since the whole control energy stuff. I do still think the plot was messy and honestly I found the musical planet as a fun goofy thing to show off in the film I didn’t mind the comedy in that one. I wouldn’t say it was way too comedic or anything to break tension but it did feel a bit more balanced here compared to previous marvel movies. Overall I saw it as a fun movie I went in expecting and awful movie and it just wasn’t that at all. I feel like some reviewers just got either overly critical or just went in expecting to hate the movie so found anything to hate the movie on too. Point is me and my friends enjoyed it when we watched, but I am looking forward to this long MCU movie break we’ll be getting next year too
The MCU was a fresh idea for a few years in the early 10’s, then by the middle of the decade people were still invested due to sunk-cost fallacy (plus the movies were pretty good), but by now there is absolutely zero reason to continue this universe.
Just make standalone movies that tell a complete story. Yeah, those movies didn’t do as well back in the day, but audience taste comes and goes in phases. Maybe after a decade or so of solid standalone films there’ll be an appetite for the franchise model to return, but until then, just stop with this. Please.
Would love to hear more of your thoughts on the mid credits scene! And also on Loki season 2
#ReleaseTheDaCostaCut! I dunno, I thought The Marvels was better than most MCU movies post-Endgame. I thought it was better than Black Widow, Thor 4, Ant-man 3, and even Thor 2 from Phase Two and The Incredible Hulk from Phase One. It's a lower mid MCU movie. Not great, but not terrible 🤷🏽♂
Movie was actually good ngl I was so incredibly shocked I'm actually thinking I like it quite a fair bit. Everyone went in with a preset judgement based on whatever their favourite RUclipsr said. And whilst I fell victim to that it was genuinely not bad at all not to mention the Kate Bishop scene! VERY HYPED!
"..the constant cutaways from the action for characters to remark on how crazy and weird this is really undercuts any real engagement we could have with it." Gotta love how context is absolutely not required for this statement to be applicable to so much of the MCU, and much of modern media in general.
Iman Vellani is the best part of this movie man
Marvel needs better directors and writers that simple care about the characters.
I had so much fun with this movie in the theater. I know negativity is what YT thrives on, but what about all the enjoyable parts of the movie? I primarily went to see it because it was under 2 hours and I could actually manage it in my schedule. I liked its brisk pace and will take that over a more bloated 3.5 hour epic that tries too hard to add comic book soap opera that doesn’t always play as well on screen.
And what about the space cats gag had so many people laughing out loud in the theater, myself included? I dunno, it is just a 7/10 but still it feels like everyone can’t wait to overanalyze and tear each and every MCU film apart these days. The style and moxie of at least parts of this movie make it well worth seeing IMHO, but I know I’m in the minority, shouting into the YT comment void here 😅
I agree, this movie was fun. The chemistry and action made the movie really enjoyable for me along with some of the direction. If this movie came out in 2021, it would've been recieved better
@@variationdomination04 thanks for helping me feel like I’m not crazy ^^;
I'm glad other people enjoyed it, but it was a miserable viewing experience for me. The cat stuff just felt like a random distraction that was probably written to try and generate social media buzz rather than contribute anything to the movie.
That white tank top was the only positive thing that came out of this
What also was a huge mistake is the movie villain. It should have been the Supreme Intelligence, which would link The Marvels to its predecessor and give Carol a threat that the audience already had some buy-in with.
At this rate, I just want Marvel to finish the job & pack it all up in like
8 More movies & 2 More shows...
Take a 5 year hiatus & begin anew.
Blade,
Hulk,
Daredevil,
Iron fist,
Thor,
Namor,
T'challa,
The X-Men,
The Inhumans,
& The Fantastic Four
All deserve better 😢
I saw the movie, and i had a good time and everything seemed succinct enough idk what y’all are talking about def better than the first I do not believe this is justified in fact I thought it was better than MoM quantumania Love and Thunder black widow
Ummm...could you please rewrite this post so it makes some sense?
@@patrickmurphy3179 what u need punctuations?
I felt like The Marvels was alright, just saw it the other night on Disney+ and honestly, there have been much worse films and shows since Endgame. This movie made me enjoy MsMarvel more than her entire standalone series did and it is nowhere near as bad as Secret Invasion or She-Hulk was. Was The Marvel great? Nahh but it was fine in my opinion nonetheless.
I like Brie Larson as Captain Marvel, I hope they give her a good script because I don’t want her to quit.
@@blabla187or porn movies.
She doesn’t seem to enjoy her character, the working atmosphere, or the Marvel working environment at all.
I think she will quit, because you just can see a complete absence of any kind of fun or excitement in her on screen or in the interviews.
It’s not a dig at her, she just happened to not enjoy the character that was made (and so did the audience as well)
I knew that since her casting announcement that she's not suited for superhero films he lacks charisma and body language for it.
She's really good in movies which are grounded in reality and serious films with little to no action or comedic elements.
I wasn't too into that Song planet in the film either but that's also because the entire time I was watching it, I kept thinking of Schmigadoon on Apple TV. Which is basically that entire idea of non-singing, non-musical people find themselves in a place that is emulating the musicals of yesterday and they are weirded out by it, but on a very good very heartfelt level where you can tell that the people who made that show love musicals. In The Marvels it just kind of felt there because someone can point and go "Aw what? A Marvel movie is paying homage to Disney musicals? Well isn't that just fun." I don't dislike the movie like I know a lot of others are disliking it but I just didn't take much away from it, like the last five marvel projects I've watched, it's French Bread. I enjoy eating it while it's there but leaves no impact with me after an hour.
Stan Lee’s daughter: ‘No one could have treated my father worse than Marvel and Disney’s executives’
No one could have treated Kirby worse than Lee. XD I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm just saying let's not throw stones here, especially from Lee's daughter who may or may not have abused her dad late in lkfe.