Soooo did you even look at the Ladder breakdown statistics ...... How is all 3 rogue specs S when they have less % representation above 1800 then DK,DH,Ret,War Single specs.....
Rogues ALWAYS have less representation above 1800 in shuffle then a vast majority of classes. Shuffle is a horrible place for rogues always, rogues pair well with other control classes/high burst classes; and being paired with a DH or Warrior or DK 75% of your games, isn't an ideal teammate for a rogue. On top of this rogues can't utilize a good portion of their kit with these classes as 90% of the time the teammates they get break CC. I think it's pretty unfair to judge how GOOD rogue is, based on the amount of representation it has in shuffle vs a DH/DK/War/Ret Meta.
Yesss it does!! :D Frost just needs a heavy rework tbh. I think if they made Chill Streak have CDR and make Frostwyrm's Fury hit for something decent in PvP again, MAYBE but it's just so pathetic.
No no, they also got Safeguard which is an increase in their teammates survivability which is a MASSIVE buff to having an arms on your team. Ret Warrior is absolutely bonkers even moreso because of this change. Ontop of Arms getting numerous damage buffs.
Yea that makes sense; sadly fury is pretty tapped for it's PvP talents comparatively so I think it'll struggle to go Safeguard even though Safeguard is SO strong. Who knows though! Only time will tell, I just haven't really seen ANY fury warriors rn; because arms is so strong.@@Oblivionplayer12345
Outlaw isnt great in ss atm, without proper setups and the amount of micro CC enemy teams have the crackshot windows dont get that much use, so its about the same as last season. Which was C tier. Main issue is you have to offensively use potentially defensive abilities vanish/ meld and shadow dance to maintain crackshot uptime. Different story in organised pvp.
I think that's a fair statement for sure - Rogues in general struggle in shuffle because of how unorganized the mode is; and breaking CC for a rogue is super rough. I think in organized 3s all of the rogue specs should be S-Tier but in shuffle Sub and Outlaw are around a A tier range even. Sin rogue however; is incredibly strong damage wise and plays like a far better feral druid imo.
Ehhhh I think everything I said about Ele was accurate with their tier-set. Only thing is it shoots an ele blast at 30% instead of 50% effectiveness in PvP. You instantly get all 3 elemental blast buffs when you primordial wave for 5 seconds which is absolutely insane; AND their 4-set which very few people have rn is CRAZY strong.
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If you enjoy solo shuffle, but are less than a 1900ish hunter, it's really rough. Hunter is kill target about 90% of the time, melee lobbies are about 80% of the time, and your teammates will peel about 5% of the time.
@@danieltsmoke This is heavily true - Hunter is VERY much so the kill target, so the class does require a goood bit of positional awareness; and kiting skill. It's super fun though damage wise.
It's good at peeling, but so is unholy and unholy does quadrupal the level of burst. It's a hard thing to say blood is even close to a good spec for arena/shuffle specifically.
Aug has the second lowest representation of classes in shuffle just above Frost DK currently; the nerfs on top of set bonus loss really hurt it. With that being said - it's STILL A+ tier which is crazy. All of the rogue specs are god tier in organized play and brought DOWN to S-Tier in shuffle due to its lack of organization/teammates that have awareness to play off of set ups. Rogues in shuffle ALWAYS have it rough, this doesn't change the fact that rogue is absolutely disgusting currently and Sin rogue specifically can kill 50%-0 in one global.
Also I'm not sure if holy is better then disc. Disc has a SUBSTANTIAL amount of representation over Holy in all brackets currently. (10x the amount above 1800)
Soooo did you even look at the Ladder breakdown statistics ...... How is all 3 rogue specs S when they have less % representation above 1800 then DK,DH,Ret,War Single specs.....
Rogues ALWAYS have less representation above 1800 in shuffle then a vast majority of classes. Shuffle is a horrible place for rogues always, rogues pair well with other control classes/high burst classes; and being paired with a DH or Warrior or DK 75% of your games, isn't an ideal teammate for a rogue.
On top of this rogues can't utilize a good portion of their kit with these classes as 90% of the time the teammates they get break CC. I think it's pretty unfair to judge how GOOD rogue is, based on the amount of representation it has in shuffle vs a DH/DK/War/Ret Meta.
Feels real good to be an Unholy DK rn. Frost though…
Yesss it does!! :D Frost just needs a heavy rework tbh. I think if they made Chill Streak have CDR and make Frostwyrm's Fury hit for something decent in PvP again, MAYBE but it's just so pathetic.
Die by the sword/Ignore Pain (10sec cd) is literally the ONLY siginifcant change of arms vs fury surivibility.
No no, they also got Safeguard which is an increase in their teammates survivability which is a MASSIVE buff to having an arms on your team.
Ret Warrior is absolutely bonkers even moreso because of this change. Ontop of Arms getting numerous damage buffs.
@@Grimlocked You can also use Safeguard on Fury btw
Yea that makes sense; sadly fury is pretty tapped for it's PvP talents comparatively so I think it'll struggle to go Safeguard even though Safeguard is SO strong.
Who knows though! Only time will tell, I just haven't really seen ANY fury warriors rn; because arms is so strong.@@Oblivionplayer12345
id disagree with you on the rogues part, move them down to A or A+. good vid
Fair! :) Thanks so much for watching!
I disagree that you disagree. 😀 Repräsentation does not mean potential power
Outlaw isnt great in ss atm, without proper setups and the amount of micro CC enemy teams have the crackshot windows dont get that much use, so its about the same as last season. Which was C tier. Main issue is you have to offensively use potentially defensive abilities vanish/ meld and shadow dance to maintain crackshot uptime. Different story in organised pvp.
I think that's a fair statement for sure - Rogues in general struggle in shuffle because of how unorganized the mode is; and breaking CC for a rogue is super rough.
I think in organized 3s all of the rogue specs should be S-Tier but in shuffle Sub and Outlaw are around a A tier range even. Sin rogue however; is incredibly strong damage wise and plays like a far better feral druid imo.
About Ele you said many wrong things.... Please research again ;)
Ehhhh I think everything I said about Ele was accurate with their tier-set. Only thing is it shoots an ele blast at 30% instead of 50% effectiveness in PvP. You instantly get all 3 elemental blast buffs when you primordial wave for 5 seconds which is absolutely insane; AND their 4-set which very few people have rn is CRAZY strong.
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this makes me want to play hunter and ive never really played it but have always liked the spirit beasts lol
Heckkk yea! Hunter is super fun and super good! Definitely check it out!
If you enjoy solo shuffle, but are less than a 1900ish hunter, it's really rough. Hunter is kill target about 90% of the time, melee lobbies are about 80% of the time, and your teammates will peel about 5% of the time.
@@danieltsmoke This is heavily true - Hunter is VERY much so the kill target, so the class does require a goood bit of positional awareness; and kiting skill. It's super fun though damage wise.
I wish they'd stop hurting us hpallies :( other than that though - great list :D
Putting blood in the dumpster is a fatal mistake. Blood DK is epic at peeling your dps/healer... it's so insane it actually wins games.
It's good at peeling, but so is unholy and unholy does quadrupal the level of burst. It's a hard thing to say blood is even close to a good spec for arena/shuffle specifically.
Holy better then disc aug a+ rog s Tier . Dude look at stats or Play the Game .. this looks more like a wishlist instead of a meta list
Aug has the second lowest representation of classes in shuffle just above Frost DK currently; the nerfs on top of set bonus loss really hurt it. With that being said - it's STILL A+ tier which is crazy.
All of the rogue specs are god tier in organized play and brought DOWN to S-Tier in shuffle due to its lack of organization/teammates that have awareness to play off of set ups. Rogues in shuffle ALWAYS have it rough, this doesn't change the fact that rogue is absolutely disgusting currently and Sin rogue specifically can kill 50%-0 in one global.
Also I'm not sure if holy is better then disc. Disc has a SUBSTANTIAL amount of representation over Holy in all brackets currently. (10x the amount above 1800)