How to repaste a laptop CPU & GPU
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2019
- Sorry for the sloppy quality - I've been very busy lately and this was a bit rushed.
Quick video showing the specifics of applying thermal paste to a laptops CPU/GPU with a few tips.
Links to good thermal pastes
1. Noctua (Used in video) www.amazon.com/dp/B002CQU14A/...
2. Thermal Grizzly www.amazon.com/dp/B011F7W3LU/...
3. Arctic MX-4
www.amazon.com/dp/B0795DP124/...
Thanks for checking me out.
Enjoy.
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We finally hear our lord Opokas voice. The clear glass was an incredible display of why to spread instead of just pressing it down.
@Byron Dennis 🧢
"if you don't have an applicator, I've seen guys use an old credit card or a library card. Whatever."
Me, a librarian: 😢
"I've seen" ... not "I do" 😉
This is what people don't get, don't do pea/dot method on laptops because it's not a normal cpu/gpu. It's essentially a de-lided cpu/gpu meaning you absolutely need to cover every part of the metal with paste
This is absolutely the way to go, already opened my laptop once before to re-apply thermalpaste, made no difference.. Opened it up to repaste and clean it now (6 months from last repaste), and found it was not spread evenly. I now spread it out evenly myself on both the heatsink and cpu/gpu. Thermals went from 95 on cpu/91 on gpu (stresstest), to 80-85cpu/75-80gpu (stresstest). No more throttling and works like a charm! Used NT-H1 thermal paste. To anyone having issues with temps also look up undervolting your cpu. Great video!
Many thanks for the video, I've re-placed a 45W with a 55W TDU laptop CPU and still managed decent temps without thermal throttling.
Your video came in handy.
This totally works!! So much thanks, i have tried so many application methods for my laptop but none made any difference.
Finally get to hear his voice guiding us as he goes along with it. Magnificent. Thanks for all the tips and tricks my dude.
Spot on.
Just a line or a centre blob is NOT enough. We do have to have a thin layer, just like Thermal Grizzly recommends.
Temps will effectively go down AND IT ALSO MINIMISES THE PUMP OUT effect.
Great, great video. 👍
I recommend to try phase-change material Honeywell PTM7950. It comes as a sheet and you don't have to mess around with any applying dots, dashes or crosses. Just cut out a piece the size of the IHS/core and stick it on. Also don't have to worry about whether the paste is too little or too much - it will be just right. In addition, it lasts longer, performs works better than traditional pastes and there is no pump-out effect.
I took mine apart 4 times already. Going to try this method, thanks.
same lmao
Honestly, this is the best thermal paste method so far! Spreading the paste on a laptop chip gives me temps 20c lower, Thanks man!
Glad it helps brother
Which chip did you treat specifically? GPU? CPU?
@@Allplussomeminus a core i7 7th gen mobile chip
Clear, correct, straight forward, excellent and "scientific" explanations
Probably the best related vid. All the major points covered. Thank you.
This video saved my laptop. Bought an MSI GE75 RTX2080 laptop for cheap. This thing was going up to 96 degrees while gaming. I opened it up for a repaste. I figured I can probably do it myself. Something just looked off when I took off the heatsink but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then I saw your video and realized what it was. Someone put thermal paste on the chips that are supposed to have thermal pads. I mean this stuff was everywhere. Cleaned everything off and applied new pads and thermal on CPU/GPU. Now it doesn't exceed 80 degrees under full load. Thnx a lot!
Good catch
@@HotelHero what happens if i have both pads and thermal paste on the chips, as thats how it is on my acer :o
That thing on the chips is different than the paste on the cpu/gpu. That paste is actually better than pads if they contact properly. So your problem was probably just the thermal paste on the cpu/gpu
I have tested several method and the spread is the best for me, it managed to keep my laptop at 45c during idle and 80c on full load
I took my laptop twice already, and its temps is higher than before. Definitely will try this 😂
bro that was not a waste of thermal paste... you used it to make an excellent video. thank you
I've just repasted my first laptop by using the spread method as shown in the video. The laptop was still on its factory thermal paste and I've had it for 8 years now. I was shocked when I saw The CPU temperature drop by 20*C! I was hitting 94*C under all-core load before and now it's 74*C. I'm so happy! The GPU temps dropped too from 62*C to 58*C (tested with Unigine Heaven benchmark).
Hey, my friend. Your videos were of great help to me. Thank you so much for sharing these true tutorials.
This is a very informative video.
Just when i taught i was ready to open my laptop and repaste.
Bro so glad to hear your voice . As always great video 😍
thanks for a good video, just repasting my rig for the first time and this really helped
This was hella informative. Thanks bud. Great vid for a beginner like me.
Yeah, when i overtighten it last year from my first attempt in repasting, the result are a really worst temps.
But in my helios 300 (2017 15 inch) unit giving that more paste than rice grain result in a same worst temps, i get the best when i only do it like a little bit longer than rice grain, let it spread and when i open it next year (now) to repaste it again after i notice some thermal performance drop.
I see the paste spreading evenly (probably due to the black tape at the heatsink trapping the paste on the cpu & gpu die).
By the way, i only use 1mm thermal pads on all chips and it's working fine, but indeed there is some chips that need 0.5mm, probably cause of my thermal pads are elastic (thank god), otherwise i would crush the chip and brick the board.
I didn't recommend using all 1mm pad on the chip, but if you're using arctic thermal pad, maybe your chips would be safe since that one are elastic.
Overtighten and overpasting resulted in avg temps staying at 93-95 with max fan (game ark survival, high) for cpu while gpu at 85-90 all in celsius.
After using considerable amount of paste and not overtighten it i got 84 avg and 74 avg for gpu all in celsius.
That's funny cause i didn't even undervolt it, undervolt -0.125V giving me 75 avg cpu and 68 avg on gpu (120 core 300 memory OC) all in celsius, and that's damn decent for i7 7700hq + overclocked gtx 1060m (same game, ark survival at high setting).
Ah i forgot, and thanks for your recommendation about thermal pad and paste.
Your tutorials last year are really helping me out.
what do you mean by overtighten?
Damn my 7700hq only goes down to -0.115v
Thanks man. This was a great informative video.
I love the video. Can you make a video all about replacing thermal pads on a laptop? Like where to put them and how to find the right size? And maybe some reccomended brands.
Your channel is a gold mine for Predator 300 owners. Thank you
This got your temps down? I repasted a few weeks ago, but used the standard blob in the middle like I've done on plenty of desktop chips. My temps are better, but nothing like they ought to be. Been thinking about repasting again using this spreader technique.
Thanks for your effort. It really helps.
Hotel Hero, You sir, are a knight in shining armor! I use your throttle stop config as well. Thanks a lot. :D
so, this is the voice of a god?
Good information about thermal pads man! Very helpful! 🤞
i think this is the best option to apply the thermal paste, thin spread both over the die and the heatsink.
Finally, a video with voice! :P
Today I learned that I’ve been pasting my laptop all wrong. 😂Thanks so much for the video!
Glad it helped
Best video and explains everything i was looking for hours
Glad it helped 😊
The most helpful video about the CPU thermal past..... Thanks a lot Bro
Thank you Mr. Opoka
Life saviour video ❤️
aight imma try this now
update: Ive tried pea sized and line method in the past. They kinda worked fine but after gaming for an hour, my lappy (Acer nitro 5 ryzen 3550h/gtx1650) started to thermal throttle(95-100°C). i thought my laptop's a goner. but then i tried this spread method and damn its working! played gta v for first 40 mins in max and am getting stable 90-92°C without any thermal throttle (ik its still pretty high but Atleast its still better than experiencing thermal throttle every 2 minutes). I tried AC valhalla as well played for 40 mins and got stable 90-93°C on it throughout without any issue. the temperatures are probably high because of the environment where i live in xddd which is about 40°C
Finally voice reveal waiting for face reveal XD. Lord Opoka to the rescue ♥️
This video is worth my time
Good job my dude 👌👍
Thanks alot for this video! I have suffered with thermal throtteling on my new Rog Strix Scar 2 GL704GW, since i bought it. Followed your vid and metod to apply new Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut on my Cpu/Gpu. I was shocked when i took off the heatsink, cause the paste jobb from the factory was terrible! Before the repaste i got 90+ and thermal throtteling all the time and had to turn down all the settings and even then it was struggeling after a while, and the fans was going full speed. Been testing now with GTA 5 with optimal settings in Geforce Exp since i repasted and im on a stable 70 deegres on full load, so about 25 deegres down from pre paste. Thanks for the vid and guide im overjoyed and can finaly game on my gaming laptop again! Cheers keep up the good work!
Spread metod works wonders!
Awesome dude!
Now go forth and destroy plebs! 😁
Geniously explained..thanks 👍👍
This actually worked!!!!!!! Brought my temps down from 96C to 72C!!!!!!!!
Clean the inner fans vents and it will go way more down
55C
But you will have to open the fans and clean the metal vents
Very good video!!! Ty so much!
Right on! I was watching instructions for my specific laptop, but the guy didn't really do it right and I just copied what he did.. just left the drop in the middle and that's it. So I will have to re-do it, but at least this time I know it will be done right! Great video
When you spread it you introduce air bubbles, you're supposed to put a blob in the middle or do an x on the die then when you apply pressure to it from the heatsink it will spread it. If it doesn't spread across the entire die there is not enough paste or not enough pressure from the heatsink.
X method does actually solve the problem he is showing here. He mangled the x but that is the best way because its pushed out without introducing gaps of air in the paste. You get a good spread.
@@donniedarko7751That has been debunked numerous times, you don't create any air bubbles spreading it, it's bullshit
You recommend to spread a little over the heat plate as well, to make sure it is adhesive, but as the surface area is bigger than the die itself and uneven it‘s guesswork/messy. What would be your opinion to spread a thin layer on the die and then putting a „X“ on top of it?
The reason you want to apply a bit manually (with a spreader) to the heat plate is because of the micro grooves in the copper itself.
If there are small gaps in the grooves where paste doesn't apply the air can create heat pockets and temps could fluctuate.
To be honest your idea would probably work just fine and this is mostly my opinion as an OCD individual lol.
@@HotelHero thanks for the quick reply, you‘re the mvp 🙏
Opoka you save our lives.
Thank you mr Opoka
Very helpful video mate! Please make more voice videos, and less music ones, love hearing those neat tips!
Thank you very much for this tutorial, barring what is stated in this video, are there things one should avoid when repasting?
Give yourself extra time if you've not done something like this before. When the paste heats up for the first time it may show good temps but as it softens it may settle and not perform as good as it initially did. You may have to reopen and add a bit or adjust your thermal pad spacing to get temps to remain good.
@@HotelHero Utilized 1 gram of Kryonaut whilst performing the repaste today. We will see how things shake out. Thank you for the supreme advice and the vid.
Hi bro I appreciate it your good work and helpfull video for everyone. On my predator g5 I consider replacing old thermal pads with thermal paste (thermal grizzly maybe). Would you recommend it or you think it will better to replace it with a new one thermal pads?
Also can you tell me the thickness of thermal pads on that model? 1 or 1.5mm thank you!
@@slavidimitrov2097 Since the manufacturer set thermal pads in the first place, replacing the pads with paste might remove the factory gap (the springs add the right amount of tension but don't set the spacing) so I'd recommend if you swap pads to just replace with the same size pad (looks like 1.5mm) to avoid any issues. You can grab Arctic thermal pads for increased conductivity and should be a decent upgrade.
@@HotelHero thank you for answer. I will chose some thermal pads. I know the best thermal conductivity has fujipoly thermal pads but I don't know from where can I get it.
2:18 when applying liquid metal it would be best practise to apply a conformal coating to the resistors and capacitors surrounding the cpu and gpu. One coating I like is "MG Chemicals 422C Silicone Conformal Coating". If you live on the coast like I do, you could coat your entire board (excluding cpu/gpu dies, slots and connectors of course) in this stuff to prevent corrosion and short circuits from humidity.
Conformal coating is also another method. I suggested nail polish because it's cheap and comes with an applicator pretty much built in. Conformal coating typically is in a spray can so if you desire to only coat around the die, it would be a bit messy.
Also suggesting to coat the entire mobo I wouldn't recommend, as it can cause plugs/latches for ribbon cables etc to become stuck and if a component needs replacing it would make it difficult.
@@HotelHero 422C usually comes in bottles and is applied with a brush. You can still easily repair the board as you can solder straight through 422C. If need be, you can remove it with a conformal coating stripper. I did also mention in my original post to not coat/let it get on connectors, slots, etc.
You are a hero.
I have been waiting so long for this video now I'm gonna do it myself, thanks a lot for this video.
Thanks for showing us. Is it okay if I spread thin layer of thermal paste on cpu and gpu and not on the heatsink itself ?
Hotel Hero, can too much core overclock applied on the GPU over +170MHz for GTX 1070 can damage the resistors of the mobo? Since this gpu is soldered to the mainbord. Because if yes, that's why my laptop keeps freezing and cold shutdown itself when using it. All of my temps were right, no overheating. Even if I use stock settings, on battery, it does the same problem.
I don't understand your question.
Your system freezes when you OC your GPU only?
@@HotelHero I said can TOO MUCH overclocking on the GPU core can damage the mobo/resistors/capacitors? Because my overclock was stable for 3 weeks and after 3 weeks of usage with these settings 170MHz+ core and +450MHz mem. The 5s freeze and cold shutdown stuff happened this Month first week. I tried everything, re-installing windows 10, swapping drivers of the gpu, using stock settings (no oc), even on sector or on battery... It still does the same problem, randomly freezes when I use my computer in action then shutdown itself. My battery is fine, there was no overheating. So can a higher oc damage the laptop?
I'm at a hotel watching this lol
Great video bro
@@RaulFury Thanks man
me too
Spreading or letting the dot spread have the same effect on my laptop , i would say both works best ❤❤❤👍👍👍
Thank you for this video! I've actually changed paste may be like 5 or 6 times in different laptops but never changed the pads. But now I think I need to change them in my laptop. But I'm unsure about the thickness.
I've the nitro 5 2018 which has the same exact body and heat sink as the helios 300 2018 and same specs too. Just the fins of the fans are plastic.
What's the thickness of the pads you used in the helios 300? I think there are 2 different pads, one kind of yellowish and the other white. Are both of them the same thickness? And is a 100x100mm enough?
Dude, did you try installing 2019 version Predator Sense on older version of laptops ?
If yes. then make a video pls !
would be much appreciated !
I have and I will
Hey man great video!
Can you please suggest me what size of Thermal Pads i need to buy for the Helios 300 2019 model and what way i put the new TG paste on the part where the pink paste was? Thanks
Same for me, but 2020 model instead
@@Razor1473 i know old comment but cant you just buy any size and then just cut it
Im considering to replace the thermal pads because of the "indecent" ones my laptop (lenovo y740) has according to forums. Which thickness of pads should I go? Cant seem to find the simple one and for all answer by googling.
Also, great. GREAT video thanks a lot
Thx for the tips about applying paste. I have a G9-793 from 2016 I want to repaste, since it's out of warranty, and very very hot while gaming, but can't find any info about the thermal pads. I saw in this video the cooler for predator 15 which is similar, and wanted to ask about the thickness of the pads. Is 1.5mm ok ? are all the pads the same thickness ? and how much do I need ? 100x100 or I can get away with 2pcs of 120x20mm? thx in advance if you have the time to answer these questions !
If you go 1.5mm you may have to re-tighten the heat plates once the pads get warm/soft. That way if the pad is slightly too think it will confirm to the chips and reach proper clearance/spacing.
smooth!
What size thermal pads should i use on my nitro 5? 1.5mm or 1mm? Similar layout to the helios 300.
FINALLY!
How would you determine what size of thermal pads your laptop needs. This my conflict before opening my laptop and replacing the thermal pads and thermal paste.
Having acer Helios 300 i5 8th gen 1060 with temps reaching 95°c
Qn) which will thermal paste will you recommend grizzly kryonaut,corsair tm30 or arctic mx4?
And are thermal pastes conductive as in can it cause short circuit if we accidentally apply a bit to the pins nearby?
Hi, thanks for sharing with us your method, it's great! I do have a question: What thickness should the thermal pads be? I have an Acer Predator Ph 317-53. I can't find any info about the thermal pads on this one.. I wanted to go with 1mm but I'm not sure if it's too thick or too thin, thanks!
same as you
which one then you went with ?
@@ahmedalsaegh4897 I ended up repasting without replacing the thermal pads because this is quite tricky if you don't know what you're doing. You see, some thermal pads are thicker than the others and some are slimmer and it varies from one to another, and if you don't use the right thickness you might end up worse than before (not always, but there's still a risk) - because there needs to be a certain pressure on the cpu&gpu die-. So, I repasted with Noctua NT-H2 and it dropped my temps for almost 20 Celsius on CPU and up to 10 Celsius on GPU, the stock thermal paste is terrible.
very good results
thanks for sharing
I think I will do the same
but using the thermal grizzly kryonaut paste
what is your thought about it ?
@@ahmedalsaegh4897 Kryonaut is one of the best (if not the best) thermal paste (non-metallic) out there. It's pretty expensive for the smaller tubes but the 11 gram tube has a really competitive price. I initially wanted to use that one too but I just couldn't find it anywhere.
Disclaimer: it might dry faster compared to other thermal compounds but if you're using it on a laptop there's not gonna be a problem since you'll have to clean it out of dust at least once a year, therefore, a repaste/year.
how much did you put paste on the die and tightened the screws of the heat sink ?is it as hotel hero said ?
Thanks so much I was on 95 hot and now doing the spread method and cleaning a bit of dust I got to 75
Glad to help brother
The only thing about the spread method I worry about is trapping large amounts of air bubbles that get folded in as you spread it around.
That has been debunked by der8auer and others. As they say, it's BS.
Agreed, this has been debunked not only by others, but by myself the last 50 times I've repasted 😅
Thx again :D
Thanks for the video. I have the 2019 Helios 300. I get max temps up to 88 on cpu and 70 on gpu while playing Apex Legends. That’s with Turbo button off and CoolBoost on. Balanced power setting. Are these temps ok? Should I repaste it? Any idea if the stock paste is not good enough on this laptop?
I also have the 2019 H300 and your temps are fine. When you reach 95 C your CPU will down clock (thermal throttle) which is what you want to avoid.
I have premade Throttlestop configurations based on what CPU you have if your interested.
Hotel Hero thanks for the response.
Sure how can I get the profiles? I have TS installed but haven’t changed anything on it yet though. What do the profiles do? Will the Turbo button work still? I see PredatorSense has its own built-in XTU Service which I assume is how the turbo button cranks up the PL1 and PL2 voltage. Will this still work with the TS profile?
Right now how I’m keeping my temps low; I use 99% power profile in windows and use Extreme Overclocking profile in PredatorSense (just to avoid the loud max fans).
Hotel Hero on another note, do you use the LCD overdrive feature? Can it have any negative effect on the screen long term?
Oh that's why my laptop thermal shutdown's every time because I open the heatsink never replace the paste and after putting it back i screw it very tightly omg im so dumb. thank you for the video now i need to repaste my cpu and gpu
Hey no problem brother, and don't beat yourself up.. there was a time for everyone where we didn't know this info. I'm glad it helped. 👍
I'm pretty much sure it depends on how we use the notebook, but how often I need to repaste?
Does the ph315-52 use thermal pads for the other chips or thermal paste? If it’s thermal paste would it be safe to use kryonaut on them?
Do you know what the pad thickness for the 2017/18 predator helios 300 is and why are they different colours?
great, worked for me
Thanks for the infos, i did it last time with my gpu using a cheap white thermal paste, after starting my pc it burned i saw fire 🔥 and smoke coming from it, didn't know what was the problem ?
You already answered you're own question... "cheap thermal paste" 😅
Hello can u tell me what thickness did thermal pad u used on the video. i was thinking is it better when i use thermal paste on the cpu, gpu and use thermal pad on vram like the surrounding area of gpu and cpu ( i dont know what is that called ) & using the . or should i just use my thermal pad on gpu cpu and like the surrounding area of gpu and cpu. Thank u!
I’m on my 4th re-paste, having quite a time getting better than factory temps on both GPU and CPU. Its been a real pain in the ass. I don’t think the heat sink on the Asus GU502GV makes perfect contact with the die on both GPU and CPU. I made sure thermal pads were of the proper thickness but I’m not quite there... next method will be the X method. Do you have contact info?
You have a very interesting channel Big like 985
You are a real hero man...This guy is just the god of HELIOS PREDATOR 300....He has helped me with my temeperature issues and now my laptop runs perfectly fine....Thanks alot dude....May god bless you..✌😊😊!!!
Thanks brother
@Rodrik Gregor Forrester just stays at about 70s and 80s....But before that it used to spike up till 99 degrees....and there is a huge difference now....
@Rodrik Gregor Forrester Not at all dude...For a gaming machine about 70 to 80s are going to be normal temps while playing fr long hrs...That is why gaming rigs are mainly obsessed with increasing the cooling efficiency....U see the New predator helios 300, it already comes with a factory undervolt and the fans have been seperated and blades have been improved fr cooling...So around 70s and 80s during intensive gaming is completely normal....Anything above that is to be concerned with...😊😊!!!
@@harishvarakaash yes this is because Acer's stock thermal paste has very bad quality.. Even my acer predator g5-793 was to hot until I repaste it.
BRO U GOTTA MAKE SOME MORE VIDEOS LIKE U DID WITH THE ACER BRO I LOVE THEM AND I NEED THEM IN MY LIFE!!!!😭😭😭
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so with the pins, does it matter much if theres paste on them aslong as its non conductive?
I have a question what is the plastic things next to your thermal paste on your heat sink? What are they called ?
Hey, i really need the answer of this question, do you need to buy 2 paste for 1 laptop? (1 for gpu, 1 for cpu) or 1 paste is enough for both cpu and gpu on 1 laptop?
One paste is enough to repaste both CPU and GPU three times.
One paste is more than enough man
Hi, may hp pavilion dv6 laptop has the plastic on both cpu and gpu should i remove it after repasting thermal paste or should i put i back? Thanks
can i use
absolute alcohol ( 99,5%) instead the propyl alcohol? canot find in my town
So you don'y need the plastic tape stuff at all over the pins? I re-pasted my FX505DV yesterday and it made no difference, but I left the little tapes on my CPU and GPU. there's no paste underneath them, but I wonder if it would be better without them. My GPU maxes out at 86 degrees when playing Modern Warfare 2019 and my CPU is always around 89-91 degrees when playing any games.
I've never changed the paste on my laptop and it worked great for at least 15 years, not sure if it's too late to do it now, it is not working at the moment, it's rebooting itself. Getting a new PC anyway, but I want to fix it if it is still fixable...
If it's possible could you do this aswell with a medion erazer P6689, because there is like no information on this laptop on how to open/apply thermal paste.
How do i clean old paste and how to know thickness of thermal pads
I have a laptop i bought 3 years ago and it started to reach high temp these days. I had a stress test on XTU and CPU gets 98-99 and GPU gets 90 degrees during the test. I am not an expert but it is hot as far as i know. I am thinking about using new thermal paste by doing things you recommend (which i appreciate a lot) I have a few questions though. 1) Should i try to clean GPU chips? If so, how? 2) Should i use that piece of glass to spread all over CPU and GPU? 3) Is it possible to use the same thermal paste on GPU and CPU? I hope you reply back, THANKS!
Not sure what you mean by cleaning GPU "chips". Do you mean the VRAM?
@@HotelHero Yeah, i do. I have a pure alcohol. Is it possible to use on chips (VRAM) And i repasted both GPU and CPU but this time CPU reaches over 90 time to time. It goes around over 90 and 80's time to time.. Is it related with pasting problem?
There is a black tape or something like that around my CPU like it was on yours. It was sent to me like that when I bought it. Do I remove it?
I wish you could do a repasting on an Asus VivoBook x560u, since I'm worried about the heat, I think it's above normal. It's a 1 year old laptop.
Hi bro I wanted to know how to overclock my gpu on a predator laptop that has turbo mode cuz on my laptop turbo mode boost the gpu watts so instead of 80w I get 90w but Ik I can get more overclocking potential with the 90w and I can get more out of my gpu so is there any way you can help me?
i usally just use the dot method for square dies and line method for rectangle shape dies. no matter which method you use just don't skimp on the paste.
Tha is bro that's what I've been having problems with I repasted and then I tried to tighten the screws as hard as i could and my temps are about the same if not worse . I have Dell xps 15 9570 of u have any advice it's most certainly welcome and I'm here to learn . I wanted it to stop throttling . I used thermaltake tg7 thermal paste from best buy .
Depending on the screw config (spring set or not) that could certainly cause issues. Like I discussed in the video most systems thermal pads provide the spacing required for proper paste application.
Also I recommend giving MX4 a try. It's really good paste and last super long, the 2019 release has a advertised lifespan of 8 years.
@@HotelHero isnt thermal grizzly kryonaut better in tempertures?