The Rise and Demise of Ansett Australia
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2023
- This video was reuploaded from the old Moo Transit channel, I'll probably post some other old Moo Transit videos on this channel as well.
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I flew for them from 1980-89 (pilots dispute). Then went on to both Australian and Qantas. Ansett was a vastly superior operation especially compared to Qantas.
East-West for me.
What a shame, a piece of Australian history gone.. I remember when they shut down as it was in my later teens.
i enjoyed that quite a bit mate , took me back to better days , cheers
I flew Ansett from HK to Sydney in 1998 they were cool and it was a great 747
My first ever Ansett trip - HNk -Mel, 1997. On the 747-300 which had had a nose gear collapse! I have lots of memorabilia I got from the Ansett Museum after the collapse... dinner set, Mugs (I think those post date the collapse though), 2 lovely business class serving trays, a solitary milk jug - I use that to water my indoor cactus plant, LOL, and some cutlery. Some of you commenters might have used some of this stuff in the air!
Am I with Ansett?
.... Absolutely!
Did you want to mention the temporary threat from Compass? There were two Compass airline companies and they both threatened Ansett, but Qantas and Ansett priced aggressively to protect their duopoly (and raise prices again). This was exactly what they tried a third time when Virgin started, but Virgin had bigger pockets and international backing. When Virgin turned up, they knew they weren’t here to lose. And Qantas sat upright, but was going to prove it was far bigger and wouldn’t fail either, with its international routes to fall back on (all their profits came from there for a while). Poor Ansett, meanwhile, couldn’t do that. So it had to go.
The real “red flag” moment came when Ansett surprisingly failed a regulator inspection and had to cancel a flight as a complete surprise. That was totally out of the blue. Maybe it was Easter 2001? Anyway the September 11 (12 in Australia) timing was a HUGE coincidence, remarkable.
Great video mate - glad to see you back making content
Not sure how I stumbled (okay - algorithm?) across this channel, but it's really good stuff!
Love exploring the rail content as much as this new aviation-related content, as well.
As a kid walking to school, if Reg's helicopter flew overhead before reaching the shops I knew I was late.
Good rundown mate. But there was a huge omission about TNT and Newscorps bad management and how they had almost run it into the ground by 1990. Compass had started Australia's first LCC and Ansett was weeks away from going under then.
Ansett's chairman in the 80's spending up big and buying all different types of aircraft after getting wined and dined by manufacturers was a big factor.
When Newscorp couldn't use it as the cash making machine it was under the two airline policy, the wanted to bail and stopped essentially investing over many years before handing it over to an I'll equipped Air New Zealand.
ANZ blocking Singapore Airlines bud was another reason. It may well be still here today had they ah e not been too greedy.
Cheers for the feedback, there was a lot of stuff i left out, it would take ages to tell the full story in detail!
Between Dynamite Transport and NewsCorpse....what could possibly go wrong *sigh*
@@viathealtonaloop This story lets me think about the once excellent SAA airlines of South Africa that until 1994 was one of the best airlines and close to the oldest,but since the black people took over the country the airline is now bankrupt all due to corruption and fraud,
Thank you very much for telling this Story of Aviation History!🙂
Crazy you only have 100 subs, this video is very high quality and it’s such a shame Ansett collapsed. Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
@@viathealtonaloop Well that just shows the fickle nature of RUclipss Sub data - doesn't it.
10 days ago you barely had 100 subs, now @zacsrailstuff267 - it's over 269 subscribers & 9 videos
Once people start to recall that you once had the old Moo Transit channel, and thus still have access to it's videos, your sub numbers should rise accordingly.
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Away back in 1975 - I flew across the pond to my sister's (newly wed) orchard in Tasmania.
We flew out of Alexandra (in Central Otago) via Mount Cook Airlines, to Dunedin, where we then flew (international) via Air New Zealand to Melbourne, and trans-shipped to another plane to fly from Melbourne to Hobart.
Thus I too, can also attest to the fact that "long ago" - I flew with Ansett.
Very well done, extremly informative
Thank you
I totally enjoyed your presentation 🙂 but saddened to hear about the demise of ANA. Before I retired, I booked many passengers on ANSETT. 🙂
I feel some responsibility for Ansetts demise...... back in the late 80's/early 90's they offered free computerised timetables that they posted out on floppy disks (I discovered this in a newspaper during a lunchtime school detention). I took full advantage of this by calling them many times and requesting 10 disks at a time (a box full) so that all staff at my (fake) company had a copy. They sent me boxes of floppy disks every month for many years :-)
Haha! Thats probably poor marketing on their part, smart move by you though.
My flying instructor was an A320 captain and flew as pax several times. He told me when Air NZ managed it, his plane went u/s and irected to a gate where a 767 was parked.He was ordered to fly it by a supervisor in Auckland.
Great airline and as life members of Golden Wing we all missed this wonderful ,safe airline.
Great to hear comments from experienced pilot for both AN and QF.
He would know the reasons why AN were superior. Safe,punctual,friendly people and sad it all ended. Good luck to you all.
I began working at Kingsford Smith in early 2003, and would randomly come across abandoned ansett items. Was rather sad sometimes.
A sad ending to an outstanding airline. I remember when it happened - we were a few days away from taking a trip to Melbourne, and had booked the whole thing through Ansett. As a result of Ansett going broke I wouldn't have another chance to go to Melbourne until 2020 when I went down for a business trip. It also put an end to our free flights to basically anywhere in the world with all the frequent flyer points Dad racked up flying Ansett for work.
Free flying for families is financially frenetic.
@@tumslucks9781 Qantas, Virgin and plenty of other airlines have plenty of Platinum (or whatever they call their top tier frequent fliers) members of their frequent flyer programs who use their points and share them with their families, and last I heard, as tough as industry conditions are at the moment, none of them are hurting too badly as a result. Dad was flying between Bundaberg and Perth every month or so for work, which his employer naturally paid for so they would’ve made a fair bit from that.
You did not have the wherewithal to fly _domestically_ to Melbourne for nearly 2 decades after Ansett’s demise? 🤔
@@tumslucks9781 It appears that the poster’s father racked up mega frequent flyer miles due to frequent business flights. Presumably, the father did not work for Ansett and was a frequent business traveller. For those with unique jobs which require interstate travel, the flyer may take a flight every 2 weeks, perhaps every week. ✈️ 🦘🇦🇺
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b I did, just you know, other plans got in the way, I had other places to go that were higher up my list and too little time and money.
Ansett was so much more than TAA or Quantus
Ansett's bankruptcy was nothing compared to Virgin Australia's 7.8 Billion dollar bankruptcy a few years ago. Also one of the Ansett 747 aeroplanes was on a video on RUclips about 3 years ago in the Arizona desert and still had the Ansett logo on the tail.
There's a flight trainer with the ansett logo on it still
Flew with AnsettAustralia from Kuala Lumpur to Jakarta way back when. The FA spoke in Bahasa Indonesia and he was very courteous and hospitable. Pity Ansett is no longer around.
My brother was one of the engineers for Ansett in Melbourne when it all went south. It was such a kick in the guts since they were such a great airline at the time.
Your brother probably knows my uncle who worked for Ansett for many many years right up until they collapsed, he even came back to Ansett during the MK2 phase until that ceased operations too. Many former employees eventually went to work for Virgin including my uncle but he mentioned that it never felt the same working for Virgin as it did for Ansett and he soon retired. The reason i mentioned your brother possibly knowing my uncle is because my uncle worked closely with the engineers since he worked in the spare parts division for Ansett at Tullamarine Airport, next time you see him ask if he knows an older Turkish man named Yuksel Sevimli and if he does tell him Yuksel says hi 👍
An interesting and informative video
No mention of the Howard govts role in the initial collapse that's odd
Howard govt pulled the Ansetts airworthiness cert on the eve of an Australian national holiday --long weekend due to "maintenance" issues
Which were a total crock
It was totally political in its nature and it was aimed at ruining Air NZ as well --which it nearly did
Wonder how many shares Howard has/had in Quantas
My parents were stuck on the other side of the continent when Ansett went bust.
I was stuck in Belgium - if I didn't know better I'd say that would be more challenging... But I do know better😂... Your poor parents!
my grandparents were stuck in bali at the time but my unlke worked in the industry and was able to warn them before everyone else so they mangied to get back
Absolutely Ansett
At 4:19. Was the route map the inspiration for the Ansett logo?
I remember watching their 747 doing a flyby when they started their service to Kuala Lumpur
Within aviation circles in the 80s & 90s, it was a well known fact that their finances weren’t their strong suit, and they were extremely ‘top heavy’ with managers (unlike TAA). Some predicted their demise years before it actually happened, and well before Air NZ were involved. Honestly it was just a matter of time.
They also owned Hayman Island during g the 1990’s. I won one of their competitions and had 4 days there, with Business Class flights from my home city which was Melbourne at the time. What a lovely resort.
If you do a follow up video, cover these two nuggets:
1. Frequent flyer points - there was a lot of serious but stupid hope in the rise of Ansett Mark 2 that the original FF points would get honoured, eventually anyway. The real adrenaline came in the scramble around the first collapse, where the rumours were rampant but nothing was confirmed - specifically, some LUCKY bastards got their timing right and transferred their points via Star Alliance. This loophole was closed very quickly, before Ansett’s first shut down was even confirmed properly. But again a lot of complaints from naive customers when the rules were “changed” last minute.
2. Ansett Starship Crew - some amazing memorabilia from the 1980s, before the prices came down in the competition era. Things used to be MASSIVELY expensive before Compass and Virgin. And kids who flew Ansett got truly amazing gifts if they joined a membership club.
A sad tale..
Always flew Ansett, have still got 43 boarding passes and the baggage tag from my last flight, pretty sad ending.
What about COMPASS and IMPULSE airlines also???
I'd blame Ansett for Ansett's demise. Fleet was too diverse, 767s had flight engineers etc
The only B767s with a flight engineer were built on Ansett specs.. I believe 2 were produced..
Ho hum ……another hind sight Einstein
Didn't know they FE's on the 767. Well that was stupid of them. No other carrier needed them.
Worked there for 25 magnificent years . The reason for the FE’s on the B767 was a Sir Peter Abeles decision . If you think thank brought the airline down your over 20 years off the mark .
@@markhyslop3559 No one said the FE's brought down the airline. Just one of many bad decisions they made for years.
Ansett you are to blame for youre own demise.
I was working for PwC when they put Ansett into administration and grounded the whole fleet, including the highly lucrative hourly service each way between Sydney and Melbourne.
That didn’t seem a sensible decision at all.
Ansett would have been still around if singapore was allowed to purchase stake in them. ANZ did not have the expertise or deep pockets that Ansett badly needed
I live I hamilton vic and just went to the ansett museum in Hamilton. Because he couldn't be paid for road transport he sold an orange to the customer for the price of the fair haha.
I remember having to travel to Australia to get these aircraft airworthy. The company was haemorrhaging millions per day but yet the union wanted to more pay and threatened walk offs . It was dire. We said hey. If these aircraft can’t get into the air there will be no business. “Nah mate” was their reply. In addition the CAA rejected one 767 due to the fire extinguishers not being the correct colour of red and too many magazines. It was a shit show. When Ansett was sold it had two parts of its business. The travel holiday and tourism part and the airline. The loss making airline was propped up by the other. When it was sold this loss making part was bought by Air NZ. You can’t run an airline like you did in the 1969s like you do in the 1990s.
I live near Hamilton and the Ansett museum is tiny
Classic bad management.
I wonder what would have happened if Ansett Brought Virgin Australia which was cold virgin blue at the time? What I would have seen is something like this you would have simply an extension of the American Airlines Oneworld versus United Airlines Star Alliance in the United States competition with Ansett Australia giving UA Star Alliance gold members access to their lounges.
This is the same way as how Qantas give AA Advantage Oneworld Sapphire tier members access to their lounges.
They couldn't afford to buy them. Virgin A was not founded until the end of 1999.
Virgin Australia went bankrupt in 2020 owing 7.8 billion dollars and was subsequently sold, so no it would have been a bigger problem
Two struggling airlines that are
Merged just makes a bigger mess. Homogenising the disparate systems and cultures of two airlines takes years, neither airline had the luxury of that option.
@@michaelfreeze2949 Ah - slightly wrong, as VIRGIN only went into "voluntary administration" as the Covoid pandemic struck, on 21st April 2020, UNTIL THEY WERE SOLD, whereupon their new buyer brought them BACK into service again.
Thus barely SEVEN MONTHS LATER they had already traded their way OUT of that - and are once again a vibrantly trading (fully operational) airline.
@@number1genoa ? Yeah - wow.
Well fun fact
Virgin Australia was formed from the merger of not two but FOUR airlines.
In 2000, Virgin Blue's first flight was DJ214 from Brisbane to Sydney on 31 August 2000, and it wasn't until 2009 that the airline launched long-haul, international flights under the brand V Australia, (a secondary part of Virgin Blue)
Then in 2011 - it was time for a new look - and a new name for the airline.
Virgin Blue and V Australia, together with Pacific Blue and Polynesian Blue, (4 airlines) became Virgin Australia - with a brand new logo and aircraft liveries.
Great work, why did you two discontinue moo?
So essentially the working relationship between us got to the point where we just couldn’t keep working together so I quit and made this.
@@viathealtonaloop were you doing too much work?
@@viathealtonaloop Keep it up, man! You are a great presenter with some seriously good skills.
@@viathealtonaloop Ah, way better to be doing RAIL STUFF anyways - too hell with the MOO (cow's) perspective.
One always (eventually) understands that being one's OWN boss, works far better then being "just one of the bosses" with others.
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I must admit though, you are still getting credited with admiration from "other channels" who work/worked with MOO, especially in the one uploaded by @TazzieTransport
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Can't get away from some things eh?
Can't you technically still fly on an Ansett flight if you get a REX flight? I mean, they combined two of their previously owned airlines into REX so is it kinda the same?
It's Vy-count.
I'm interested why such a young person would be interested in this subject ?
Air NZ couldn't afford to run Ansett it needed newer fleet and staff heavy..
Only deep pockets of SIA could afford to re invigorate Ansett.
Fiddling John Howard and was told in house as i workrd in the industry car hire holiday packages side , Qantas also had issues concerns lobbied Howard govt to not SIA buy Ansett as air NZ had 50% SIA 49.% shares.
Qantas SIA have always had competition issues with each other as SIA been blocked only few years ago Singapore Sydney USA...
I am of the understanding that under IATA Rules , a national carrier ( which Ansett was for international flights ) meant that it needed to be at least 50% Australian owned.
@@70sVRsignalman Why not read the "FINE PRINT" (as in the fine in the print - ie: of the Australian High Court "case" records)
www.hcourt.gov.au/assets/publications/judgment-summaries/2008/hca3-2008-02-6.pdf
Deep pockets? That's just code for throwing money into a pit and setting it on fire and even Qantas didn't want to touch this train wreck for $1 so no, "deep pockets" was not the answer as even a shiny turd is still a turd at the end of the day🤷♂️
This story lets me think about the once excellent SAA airlines of South Africa that until 1994 was one of the best airlines and close to the oldest,but since the black people took over the country the airline is now bankrupt all due to corruption and fraud,
Well said SA has gone down the
Drain.
@@martinjenkins6467 More like "out to pasture" !!!!
@@WSTLNZ well soon there will not be anymore "pasture" as you say it with all of the white farmers being murdered, another two white farmers killed on Thursday on the farm and i think Tuesday another 2 were badly beaten up by black people,
Keating shagged it only after us New Zealanders were conned into buying Ansett after Ansett had set up flights here in New Zealand, it was well established and provided great service over on this side of the Ditch.
Anyway the company came to NZ in the early 1980's and NZ eventually purchased to Airline!
Paul Keating was set up to screw NZ as usual, why Keating hated NZ is beyond me!
Anyway Ansett .........OK Murdoch.... explains all......Ansett, and Murdoch.......Ansett and Ansett NZ owned by NZ and as Keating and Mudroch said and the laughed as it had just done a perfect an underarm bowl ..... Keating killed us!
Thanks Cobbers; a bad game of Two Up ! Aussies will always throw us under the bus!
bruh - it was in administration one day after 9/11
Thanks NEW ZEALAND , you destroyed a legend
How do you set a kiwi up in a small business ? You give him a big business to run.
I can remember in the early sixties when Ansett advertised as Ansett AnA Australia's national airline, 😊
Or @Gemetics
You let that KIWI be his own boss, which allows the KIWI to chose if they wish to rip off others or not.
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If they don't, everyone calls that business a failure, and if he does - he's just a rip-off artist.
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The KIWI who choses their own way of "doing business" (irrespective of whether or not it "makes money") has the best of both worlds...
As then he can FIRE his employer any time he wants & re-hire the boss - the very next day
(so that he can sit back and keep doing nothing while his "boss" does it all).
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It's called wearing two hats (at the same time)
One hat is that of "THE BOSS" - while the other hat sits at an angle (to allow the real worker to rest while his BOSS does all the work).
If you are NOT a Kiwi - you won't understand the joke.
decent vid. but the audio is jarring.
This is what happens when you have non airline people running an airline. Not listening to people who spent their career in an industry or company, and who know intimately how that industry runs. By ignoring expert advice, and by not understanding the reasons why things are done a particular way, is a sure fire guarantee of ruin. Aviation is a marginal business in the sense that the difference between being profitable, and loosing buckets of money, is a thin line, hence the reason why most airlines stick to having a lot of a few types of planes and engines, instead of the reverse.
Having visited Australia 4 times with my fifth trip upcoming, none of this is surprising. Australia’s economy is best described as anemic. They place all faith in big government and lefty politicians to solve chronic underemployment and low wages.
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Air NZ bled Ansett dry
As the video and other commenters explained, it’s a mix. Air New Zealand lost a *lot* of money over this and had to be virtually nationalised to save it. That cost the New Zealand tax payers, and those dollars poured into the Australian economy.
Ansett bled Ansett dry, hence why they needed to be bought out in the first place🤷♂️
Ansett was raped by its owners, mainly Singapore Airlines and Air New Zealand, largely to keep the nonentity of ANZ going.. It was a viable entity throughout. So think about that when you next fly ANZ or SQA.
Viable entities don't get sold, why would they?...