I don't think it's fair for you to completely separate the two. This man did choose the company he worked for and had a say in how it was run, that company has one, if not the highest rate of claim denile, and is responsible for millions of deaths, bankruptcy and suffering. There really aren't any many equatable jobs, other than someone high up in the military but usually that is in war and not the persons own countrymen. When it is, the terms and definitions would be terrorists, rebels, perpetrators of genocide.... and usually people do rejoice at their demise or capture. Would you say that is wrong too and their death is not about the actions they took? So I must ask you what makes this man so different from those people? Is it that he is technically working within the law, or more accurately outside any proper regulations, yet to be put in place and with how things stand, they are unlikely to be made anytime soon. Is it actually surprising to you that given an opportunity to express their feelings on a lifetime of the increasing oppression, or even the forethought of seeing where this oppression will lead us, people have chosen to support the only one they see saying enough is enough. Or is murder not murder if it comes with a job title?
Joy may be the wrong word to use, but when a system is so obviously evil, broken, and wrong exists here do we really get to ride the moral high horse and shame someone willing to deal a blow towards abject evil, someone taking action for once. It seems the left relishes in the wrong use of violence, and the right shy's away from it all together. Both of these are wrong I mean how can we defend the revolutionary war over small taxes and principles but be upset over people killing over poor healthcare that KILLS people????? Violence can be righteous, but only history will tell if this leads to anything righteous. Will we really sit here and not admit to feeling righteous joy at a blow to such an evil system, where even so soon after, we are seeing changes for the better like with anthem. If the powers that be will not handle this in court or in office for the past 50 years or so while people are abused and killed then it leaves little choice and this time for real not some misguided vengeance like the left spews. I rejoice about Stalins death who killed thousands through depriving them of food, much like I rejoice at a blow being dealt to a system that deprives people of sometimes the simplest health care. If you blame this man then you were a red coat in the revolutionary war someone who can not stomach real righteous uses of violence. It is why we have the 2nd amendment.
Joy may be the wrong word to use, but when a system is so obviously evil, broken, and wrong exists here do we really get to ride the moral high horse and shame someone willing to deal a blow towards abject evil, someone taking action for once. It seems the left relishes in the wrong use of violence, and the right shy's away from it all together. Both of these are wrong I mean how can we defend the revolutionary war over small taxes and principles but be upset over people killing over poor healthcare that KILLS people????? Violence can be righteous, but only history will tell if this leads to anything righteous. Will we really sit here and not admit to feeling righteous joy at a blow to such an evil system, where even so soon after, we are seeing changes for the better like with anthem. If the powers that be will not handle this in court or in office for the past 50 years or so while people are abused and killed then it leaves little choice and this time for real not some misguided vengeance like the left spews. I rejoice about Stalins death who killed thousands through depriving them of food, much like I rejoice at a blow being dealt to a system that deprives people of sometimes the simplest health care. If you blame this man then you were a red coat in the revolutionary war someone who can not stomach real righteous uses of violence. It is why we have the 2nd amendment. ***lets see if youtube deletes this again.***
There is a RUclipsr by the name of JD delay who makes prison content and he's been trying to justify this guy getting murdered. You should definitely do a breakdown of his videos. He's got a million and a half subscribers
@@docsavage8640 there is a big need for filling some lists. RUclips Team should be listed as well. They have been listing us for far too long and we didn't even know all while lying to us that they are not selling us to jihadis and other invading ideologies. * testing if they already deleted this comment, I noticed they do the most trying to shut down the voices riling up people against them.
there is a big need for filling some lists. RUclips Team should be listed as well. They have been listing us for far too long and we didn't even know all while lying to us that they are not selling us to jihadis and other invading ideologies. * testing if they already deleted this comment, I noticed they do the most trying to shut down the voices railing up people against them. * P.S. yep they deleted one looks like they have changed their tactics deleting comments only after some time has passed so we wouldn't notice. The first one is not showing up.
I think you didn't do enough research on this woman. She has expressed the full opinion before multiple times which had to do with finally getting attention for the thousands of deaths each year caused by healthcare insurance companies policies. She was about to say "she felt joy from the attention to the broken healthcare insurance model in the US" But she kept being cut off and he hyper focused on one word. I'll admit she shouldn't have said things in the way she did and chose her words poorly, but millions are actually happy the CEO who allowed policies that denied or delayed lifesaving care which resulted in 4K to 40,000 injuries. For example very prominent voices online like Flagrant and Joe Rogan said "I don't think anyone's shedding tears over the gangster CEO" Personally I don't think it was moral to kill the CEO, and it won't fix the company without mass attention of the problem and a massive push to change the law. Another greedy, crooked, slimey CEO will replace him and continue the profit over people's lives model they have now. United healthcare insurance company has the largest denial rate at 34% of their patients/clients claims are denied and much more are delayed with almost all of them being expediently necessary
@@CameronDC-Grimesok first of all nobody is reading all that and secondly Taylor Lorenz is a disingenuous “reporter “ . Starting with lying about her age so she has lost a trust with my audience she has regardless of whether she is being accurate here.
The same person feeling “joy” at cold-blooded murder is the same person fake-crying and clutching her pearls for online bullying. She really is the personification of a cry-bully.
She is not representative of the millions of ppl who think the murder would be justified based on the corporate murder of UHC. Try talking to one of them instead of falling for corporate propaganda fooling you that Lorenz is an archetype of this belief. Unlike murder at UHC, Luigi is facing his peers in court. Much more moral, not even factoring 1 murder vs thousands.
She's now losing the piece of log she clings onto because that log is dissolving into the water, because it turns out the log isn't a log after all, it's what she produced during her time on the ship. A giant piece of feces.
Absolutely hated her continuing lies and hit pieces on Johnny Depp so not unhappy about her being fired , NOT a journalist , spouts lies and opinions not FACTS
If the CEO was a woman or POC she would not be laughing. This is just about power to these Marxists and the CEO represents the last thing in her way to power. It's sick. "It feels like a victory" yet "not condoning it".
@@lmm8960 Yes. Obama's mother was just such a woman. Millionaire commie parents. Naturally she gave birth to a son of Africa. Except his African father was shut out of the picture. Instead he was brought up in Indonesia amongst wealthy, self-styled ex-pat revolutionaries. Shariah savvy communists.
I'm certainly not joyful about it, I just don't care. It's Karma, plain and simple. The kid was clearly directly affected by this asshole, so took matters into his own hands. How many fathers lost their lives because of the policies he pushed? Cry me a river. And I'm completely comfortable being called a hypocrite for having this position. They people with all the power play dirty, and none of the peaceful protests even register on their radar.
@@acarroll6842 No person in America has ever lost their life because an insurance company refused to provide health coverage. They lost their life because a doctor refused to provide healthcare. Do you believe a doctor refusing to provide care without getting paid values money more than human life?
Taylor thinks the internet is real life. Like when her uncle deleted her Twitter history off the Way Back Mechine. in her mind, that means it never happened.
The greatest "joy" was watching Taylor's career fade away in real time. Seeing her sit there and nervously laugh her way through the interview was priceless. I hear Starbucks is hiring.
Ideology trumps evidence. Lying is simply another way of telling the truth. The quality of rhetoric is not in its truth value but the intricacy of the artifice. Lorenze is a useful idiot leftist. She has no idea who she's carrying water for but she's totally on board with their rhetoric. Rabbit holes were designed for people like her.
Isn’t that an Uber man; superiority of moral, ethical and intelligence allows one to take actions that the ‘lower’ classes would not be allowed to make.
Well, I have to admit; the news of her finally being held accountable for the horrible nonsense she says (this isn't the first time Lorenze says things of this nature) brought me joy. I felt genuine, joy. Cheers Taylor.
@@1367dhbkhfhe’s celebrating a lunatic losing their job over a horrible comment, not someone being executed in the street. The fact you can’t see the difference is what makes you the bad guy. Is it painful being that dumb?
You celebrated a woman being fired and her family suffering for it, but claim moral superiority for poo-pooing those hyped about the death of a health care CEO whose policies no doubt contributed to the death of tens of thousands of Americans?
Ikr she really clearly takes pleasure in getting to be the "edgy/radical" person bc she's leftist, and then even gets to claim she's being misrepresented when he questions the obvious facade. She obviously doesn't care about the lives of the CEO or the people who die without access of healthcare, it's just an opportunity and she falls back to old tactics when it didn't meet her expectations
No doubt she is adamantly opposed to the death penalty for people who have been convicted by a jury of their peers, but is joyous about the death penalty by a single citizen judge and jury.
I dunno. Considering all of history, I might be more trusting of random citizens having power over life and death, as opposed to governments having that power. If nothing else, one citizen has far less capacity for murder than a government does. And a greater chance of being held accountable afterwards.
@@AlexReynard If random citizens have power over life and death, then they are the ultimate authority. Who the hell is holding them accountable afterwards? Lol
@@Yolanda88 I think that's a thin line. If I've been told correctly (and if I'm wrong about this it'll change my opinion), I heard Mangione's mother was pretty much tortured for years by United Heath's decisions. And it's hard for me to wholly condemn someone getting vengeance for a family member. I'm not so much cheering on what he did, but I'm not going to get sad either. :/
Is there a difference between shooting a random person on the street for no reason, and killing a multimillionaire CEO that rose to wealth by denying people healthcare in the thousands? You have no moral argument.
Not the country but the rich class in our country that promote the siphoning of all money to the state to be used only by the government. What will and is happening is the destruction of the middle-classes and more and more money is being taken from the poor and given to the rich. Make no mistake this is fascism in action. Not the fascism they cry about or the democracy they cry about but real fascism. The total state control of the means of production. People just lie constantly so you have to look at their actions not take them for their word. Look at the UK. People are being asked to express the political views of patients in the NHS and to act as informants of those views while being carers as midwives. This is what the Germans did in the 1930's. No one works for the state without holding and reinforcing the states political views.
The room is not the room. As in, despite the locality of whatever room you are in, keep in mind that there are larger rooms you have to play in. The key is consistency throughout.
I don't know if "she forget where she was." Maybe. But I think it's more common in leftist circles for radicals to be , simply & defiantly, logical. That is, many leftist radicals don't sufficiently understand or respect logic.
If a Left-winger said in a quick remark that they understand the motive, or outside of media, told me they shouldn't feel happy but they did and felt a little cathartic towards it - I'd be like ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ (i get it) 😡HOWEVER this is Taylor Lorenze and it is made public and said so with a sick smile🤪.
Yeah but she's not commenting on someone dying, she's talking about someone executed on a city street. She ended her career because she erased any doubt about her psychopathy. She's beaming throughout this interview.
It’s hardly psychopathic to spit on the name of a man that has indirectly killed tens of thousands of Americans through predatory financial practices and health care denial. This wasn’t some little old lady getting shot for her purse; it was a guy that would denied the same old lady health care to save a few bucks. Utter delusion.
Feeling joy at what happened is indeed the beginning of the slippery slope to violent totalitarianism. "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller
This is how everything started in the last century. When you feel a sense of moral superiority with the death of someone that your tribe consider "inconvenient". Peterson talked a lot about this
I genuinely don’t care. You’re 100% right, I just don’t care. I’m fine being a hypocrite about this. Those in power have consistently treated all life as disposable, so it doesn’t bother me when one of them dies. They’d just as quickly send me off to some foreign regime change war, or deny my coverage, and no one but my family would shed a tear for me. Millions wouldn’t mourn me the way they’re mourning this guy. To them, we, the 99%, are insignificant data points. This is the only language they seem to understand.
@@acarroll6842You’re putting them outside of humanity. Fine if you feel that way but if that was your relative you may have a different opinion. Just because they fall in a different tax bracket doesn’t mean they don’t share the same humanity. Wars are not necessarily caused by CEO’s or Religion. How about you look at those in power who treat life with respect 1st before painting everyone richer and wealthier then you with a broad brush as being disconnected
Because its the only language u understand, we are the same - they are us, we are them - conservatives are old liberals who found out they actually had something to lose - rich liberals arent saints and neither are these freaks - bugged af that this wasnt a poor kid with serious health problems not covered by the greedy white racists or whatever lol just a rich fluck w mental problems like the rest - liberals care more about a squirrel than they do themselves, or others - know thyself!
@@acarroll6842should also note that Germans said the exact same things about the Jewish citizens in the 1930’s and you can go back and study the catastrophic human demise and decline in humanity/compassion and empathy that transpired as a result of that mind set. A good book to get a glimpse of such an effect is “Ordinary men”
I’m not against CEOs as a whole. Let me be clear about that. My issue is with certain industries, like insurance companies and, to some extent, weapons manufacturers. If you’re the CEO of a company that holds power over life and death for regular people, I’m not shedding any tears at your funeral. If you're thje CEO of Nestle,and you don’t believe water is a basic human right in Africa, I’m not feeling sorry for you. On the other hand, if you’re running Lego, well, good for you, keep those profit margins up, I guess. Unlesss you're literally exploiting children in Vietnam, I don't care. Its the industries that play with human lives that I have a problem with. People are talking about how he was such a good guy, mentioning his family like he was beyond reproach. Then you dig a little deeper and find out he and some associates were in the middle of a $100-million plus lawsuit over questionable stock trades. That pretty much explains the situation. Don’t get me wrong, no one deserves to go out like that, but let’s not pretend these executives are all heroes. Healthcare CEOs make tough calls that often leave people without the care they need, and some of those decisions cost lives. I kinda sympathize with his family on a human level, but the industry he worked in plays is essentially a legal Mafia. So it's like feeling sad for the mob bosses daughter when the mob boss gets wacked. Like oh no, she lost her father, but the world lost a criminal who gets away with it because technically he never commits any crimes, he disguises it. It's just that the mafia disguise their crimes by making the underlings do them, whereas thesese CEOS disguises their crimes through legal loopsholes and corruptio, and all of a sudden everyone is acting surprised when one of their own gets what was ineviatebly comming to them a blind person would have seen it comming a mile away. The whole “he was a brother, a father, a son” argument feels incredibly hollow to me. It’s the same reason I find it hollow when people defended Joe Biden pardoning his son, saying it was a father’s duty. What about all the fathers whose sons were locked up because Biden pushed for mandatory minimum sentences? That “he’s a father” angle doesn’t really butter my sandwich.
People are insane for cheering for some dude getting murdered by an unhinged person. I don't like the costs of stuff but i don't want them dead. Sickening
Yeah, and people really don't want to live with the alternatives they are implicitly supporting. Health insurance is a pain to deal with. But it's far better than being stuck with a $300k bill because someone hit you with their car and you spent a week in the hospital. And it's also far better than dying because you were unable to get treated promptly, and died as a result of hospital staffing shortages. And it's better than having your insurance premiums triple because your insurance company isn't allowed to deny claims anymore. There is no conceivable alternative to the system we have that doesn't TOTALLY SUCK ASS. This isn't a game. This shit is complicated. It's hard to make complex systems better. Throwing the whole thing out is basically guaranteed to make it much, much, much worse. I also hate the repeated claim that "many, many people are dying because of denied claims". They're not. This claim is so absolutely absurd. I challenge these people to find ONE person whose life-saving treatment was denied UP FRONT, prior to the treatment being administered, and that this led their provider to refuse to treat them, and this refusal resulted in their death. Just one. Because I simply don't believe it's happening with any regularity, if it even happens at all. People who need life saving treatment get that treatment. Then the hospital bills their insurance after the fact. Then the insurance company haggles with the hospital, settles on a figure, and pays it. Then the patient gets billed for their portion of the cost, as specified by their agreement with the insurance company. Does it suck sometimes to get hit with a bill for medical expenses? Sure. Does it suck that people who pay their bills are often subsidizing the cost of treatment for people who don't? Or for people whose insurers have denied claims? Sure. Is anyone dying as a result of denied claims? No. The people who hate the insurance companies are, as far as I can tell, just greedy hateful people who want to force SOMEBODY to pay for the shit they want. They don't care whose head the gun is pointed at, they just want their stuff.
My mom used to tell me “when you apologize, everything you say before the ‘but’ doesn’t count.” Taylor Lorenz has a propensity to use “but” a lot when referring to things she “doesn’t want” to see happen
@@docsavage8640 This is what nobody seems to understand. Healthcare is one of the most regulated industries and the profit margins are low (2-4%). There's no other way for them to operate. Hate our system, but it's an issues of regulations and law. It's also an issue of people not taking personal responsibility for their health in our country. It's impossible to pay for the bottomless healthcare needs of everyone in this nation. Nobody wants to admit that.
@@belgiumhr3524 you are forgetting we are talking about American government systems. Healthcare is a mess here which is why we pay more per capita than any other nation for it, and that is just nationally
@@garyphisher7375 why is it necessary for someone to physically feel your pain in order to understand the wrongness of the system that causes you to feel that way? I don't need a broken back to understand that corporate lobbying is the reason why even routine medical care is denied to people every single day in this country.
@@docsavage8640 no, I'm sorry but your take makes no sense. Everyone knows that back injuries are painful. We all know at least one if not multiple people in our lives who have bad back pain or injuries. I don't need to physically break my own back in order to understand that it is very painful and debilitating. Moreover, a person doesn't need to physically experience a bad situation in order to know that a situation is bad. I don't need to be the victim of identity theft in order to understand that it is a serious crime and can destroy people's lives, because I have a working brain and can think critically about perspectives other than my own.
she will just be hired somewhere else, it's not her, it's the people (commies) behind her paycheck fuming these types of people to push more of this in the West.
You'd think a "journalist" would have sense enough not to express her joy even though that's what she felt. Between her, Kamala's joy campaign, Joy Read & Joy Behar the word joy has a whole new meaning & it's not good.
That is crucial for people to learn to spot. When someone is talking about horrible things while sporting a big smile, it's almost guaranteed that whatever they're saying is a power play and not an attempt at sincere discourse.
I think of all the young men that might see the positive attention Mangione is getting & be encouraged to follow in his footsteps (allegedly, of course).
@@lance134679 You bring a good point that no one else is bring up here. That is a terrifying thought. And I am getting really scared now for this generation of men (I'm in that generation AS A WOMAN). The girls turn to OF & Insta models and the boys turn to this. This is bad. This is the adults they're turning into. (again, allegedly)
Excellent video. I have been absolutely shocked at the comment sections of the videos I've been seeing on this subject. There's a huge number of people outright celebrating this Luigi guy as some kind of hero, and saying that he should walk free. I don't care how terrible of a person someone may legitimately be. I don't NOT want to live in a society where it's ok to just take someone out because of your opinion of what he might be responsible for.
In about 40% of Obamacare districts, there is only one choice of insurance supplier. So that's a monopoly. A monopoly has no incentive to keep costs low, and no incentive to keep customers happy by paying claims. I blame Obamacare. The ACA resulted in millions of people losing their preferred doctor, and caused increased premium rates for worse coverage for everyone. The CEO's are just responding to bad incentives created by bad legislation.
@@onastick2411 Yeah, via medicare, medicaid, government employee health insurance, the VA and the HMO, government had already taken over and distorted half of the health care industry before the ACA was even considered. So, yeah, the problems started before the ACA. And the ACA made it worse. Millions couldn't keep their insurers or their doctors, and health insurance premiums went up and coverage got worse as competition went down. Government is the problem.
Taylor Lorenz is the epitome of the type of person capable of justifying ANYTHING if it’s in the service of something she supports. She is precisely the type who would have gleefully carried out witch burnings, the De-Kulakization of the 1930’s, or the Great Leap Forward. She’s not self-aware enough to have couched her language better, and let the mask slip just a few inches too many. Sadly, public memory is short, and she’ll slime her way back into a media gig somewhere. She’s too useful to certain agendas to be left to wither away.
You are not expected to be sad when someone dies especially if you don’t like them but to be joyful. That’s another level. Let’s face it if he was Black she would have kept her Latin mouth shut
Really? Would you feel bad if Hitler was deleted? Or Stalin? Do you feel pitty for Hamas members being blasted by Israel? Or does your morals only apply to rich people that have deleted millions in the name of profit? You should read that comment of the father that had to witness his children end in agonizing pain, screaming to make it stop, only because this company rule that his pain medicines were "unnecessary" You all laugh at the moral entitlement of the lefties, but you all are the same monsters
I just asked Perplexity and it posited that on average US health insurance companies have a lower profit margin than other companies. 3%-6% as opposed to the average of all companies of 8.54%.
This comment confuses me a lot. What do you mean healthcare. Do you mean a doctor or medical professional providing health care? Or do you mean healthcare like a social program like Obamacare? Do you have Obamacare? Is it any good? If Obamacare not good, then health insurance is only filling the spot Socialized Healthcare would. Means a private company can charge approve or deny whatever they want based on demographics, historicals and medical costs. Find another insurance company or is that not possible? I'm not arguing. I genuinely don't understand your comment which has left me more questions than answers.
@rouninpanda6318 i think it is because those are the things you aren't supposed to say in public about a person who got assassinated. i would agree that it's not a slip if there's a video of her spouting the same thing.
"Your words are violence" is the same crowd praising this murderer. I have had to silence so many threads on Reddit for... "feeling joy" about this. I go there for art work, video games, and funny memes. Anyone who calls the guy what he is; a murderer, gets downvoted into oblivion. Its disgusting to see how few actually are willing to put this into perspective.
The insurance system is violent? This poor child... These type of humans are thankfully destroying the remaining shred of influence they had. Just her voice says it all.
She can deny her own words that she just spoke while watching them being played back to her in real time. That’s pathological. This is a narcissistic sociopath.
Please stop trying to be an armchair psychologist. You can't just drop words like narcissist and sociopath so casually and expect to be taken seriously.
She's from a wealthy family and has connections. She's never had to work or meet standards because of it. Every place that fires her, another place gets a call from Daddy
He was a CEO of a Health Insurance Company. He Hasnt been able to decide coverages since 2010 when 0bamacare was implemented. The Sec of HHS now makes all the decisions for these CEOs regarding coverages. Funny how so few remember "its not a tax" or "your payments will get reduced" while they thew open our southern border on the promise of 0bamacare for all.
@@TheGreatRepeller Now you’re also going too far in the other direction. Do not try to excuse the health insurance industry, by blaming it on a president from nearly a decade ago. Were they affected by certain political conditions? Sure. Are they also profit driven life sucking demons? Also yes. Don’t be a bootlicker for people that would let you die in instant for your money.
I could imagine people laughing out of irony if Thompson had died due to untreated cancer and it had gone untreated because his insurance carrier denied his claim. The two ideas are at least related
You are so simple and straightforward, no word games, everything on the table. I subbed so damn fast to you and I'm so grateful for people like you. It doesn't feel like you pick any sides for sides sake, you pick to side with whom speaks the truth and who do as they say. You are a blessing on this earth my friend.
Everything doesn’t fit neatly into simple right vs wrong when the powerful are evil and the powerless must embrace evil to achieve justice where none otherwise would exist.
Okay. But Warren clearly reminded us that murder is a separate issue from the issue of corrupt insurance companies. Is that really a concept a person needs to struggle with? I mean, isn't it possible to deplore more than one thing-to deplore murder & also to deplore corrupt insurance companies?
There are so many problems with this.. First of all, people blame the insurance company when the hospitals are setting the rates. Insurance negotiates with them. In what world is the company offering money more responsible than the company that set the price so high that people cannot afford it? If a dealership has an insanely overpriced vehicle, is the bank at fault for refusing to give me a huge loan or is dealership at fault for overcharging?
@@ZeroZen27 I never said or even implied that. I said everyone seems to put ALL of the blame on the insurance company, but there is zero blame given to the hospitals. I'm pretty sure Taylor herself said insurance companies "Kill people" as if the operations are taking place at the insurance company. The hospital isn't even part of the conversation, which is crazy to me.
I suspect people are quick to blame the insurance company because their only interaction with the insurance company is a claim denial. Otherwise, they never interact with them. There is no "positive" counter to that negative experience. It's not like you go to your insurance company, and get a fat check from them to pay for your treatment. Under normal circumstances, the insurance company only talks to your doctor. Meanwhile, the doctor never has to have the unpleasant talk with you about cost or billing, because they only have that talk with your insurance company. So you will naturally have a bias toward viewing your doctor (the one who only ever helps you, and never costs you money directly) positively, and your insurance company (who only ever contacts you to give you bad news) negatively. So your doctor might be ripping you off hard, but you'll never see it, because you don't even shop around. And your insurance company might be trying to stay afloat because they misjudged how much you were going to cost them, and are trying to negotiate down hard and will deny any claim they can just to keep from hemorrhaging money. But you'll see the doctor as the good guy and the insurance company as the bad guy. This is the problem with third-party-payer arrangements. It disconnects the service from the cost, in more than one dimension.
I do love Taylor's response. "How dare you hold me accountable by showing video of what I said." Life is not pretty for people whose only truth is whatever they want to be true from moment to moment.
Really enjoy your content, Mr. Smith. I wish you'd drop some longer form video essays, though. But I understand the YT crowd tends to have 10 minute attention spans.
@JaysSavvy you're right, I totally don't have 4,000+ watched hours in the past 3 years. 80% of the videos I watch definitely aren't generally 1-4 hours long.
@@intermidable That tells me precisely what I thought. No idea what you're talking about. Nothing you've said is even remotely relevant to my point. "80% of the videos I watch definitely aren't generally 1-4 hours long" What does that even mean?
It's not about hate. When a person reveals the evil they believe in and you are repulsed by it, it's your instincts telling you to get away from that. It's basic human survival.
My issue is is people cheering it on. I think feeling indifferent about it is fine. But if you're one of those people cheering this on this is ridiculous and sooner or later it's a never-ending snowball once you let the cat out of the bag.
Thanks Warren -- breaking up the insufferable Taylor Lorenz with commentary makes it a little easier to listen to her. And I think she is smiling because she really does feel that joy.
"It's the opposite as living as though God exists" That entirely depends on which God you're talking about and even if it's the God you personally approve of anyone can interpret that God's will to mean anything they want including acts of violence like this.
You can't remotely understand the perspective of someone being pleased to find out that someone who spent literally decades undermining consumer power so they don't get the vital healthcare they need is now dead? America is in a health crisis that no other civilized country on earth is dealing with right now, and it's 100% because of human leeches like the guy who got killed. They use and abuse the system to take as much money from people as possible while giving as little back, because they've lobbied to make it okay for basic healthcare to be a for-profit institution. If you can't understand the other side, then it's because you deliberately are trying not to.
I passionately dispise Taylor yet... I kind of agree with her and it is ironic for her to fall on this and not many other takes that were horrible.... not sad for her, not sad for CEO.
UHC murders hundreds of thousands over decades from healthcare fraud, with only profit as a repucussion? This "scholar" - crickets. 1 man murders a healthcare CEO and faces his peers? This "scholar" - the very foundations of the concept of murder are being corrupted by individuals!
Yep. When these companies sentence people to death, because paying to keep them alive isn't cost-effective, it's normalized, so we shake our heads, say "Isn't that a shame", and hold no one accountable. This time, a crazy person held the boss of a company responsible. I'm reminded of the Daniel Penny case. It's not good that he choked Jordan Neely out. But it indicates *something is wrong* that, things got so bad that the ingredients for that moment came together at all.
My spouse has been denied pain medication for her compression fracture by her oncologist, her primary, and her neurosurgeon because of the healthcare industry. They all direct her to the other doctors. In the meantime she is suffering and is growing more and more debilitated as she waits for an MRI and kyphoplasty… waiting for insurance to approve these things.
I am in a similar situation going on 12 years. I have actual proof of insurance doctoring my medical records multiple times to then justify denials. The treatment I need is expensive plasma treatment. I had it and it was taken away and I cannot get it back. My entire adult life has been put on hold as I gradually get worse alone in poverty. I know so many people with chronic conditions who suffer needless or could return to work and no longer be disabled if they only received treatment. I would say a third gets the help they need. Another third die waiting. The final third unalive because they lose all caregiving and resources. My heart breaks for everyone in this thread who is stuck waiting/has loved ones who are waiting... needlessly suffering. I hope you can all get access to the treatments. We have to stay strong. In my mind, it is a moral imperative to survive.
Health insurance is flawed and frustrating. I have had my own struggles. But this is not a video about insurance.
Health? You see the denial rate for citizens in Florida? It makes heath care insurance look like a modern day utopia.
I don't think it's fair for you to completely separate the two.
This man did choose the company he worked for and had a say in how it was run, that company has one, if not the highest rate of claim denile, and is responsible for millions of deaths, bankruptcy and suffering.
There really aren't any many equatable jobs, other than someone high up in the military but usually that is in war and not the persons own countrymen. When it is, the terms and definitions would be terrorists, rebels, perpetrators of genocide.... and usually people do rejoice at their demise or capture.
Would you say that is wrong too and their death is not about the actions they took? So I must ask you what makes this man so different from those people? Is it that he is technically working within the law, or more accurately outside any proper regulations, yet to be put in place and with how things stand, they are unlikely to be made anytime soon.
Is it actually surprising to you that given an opportunity to express their feelings on a lifetime of the increasing oppression, or even the forethought of seeing where this oppression will lead us, people have chosen to support the only one they see saying enough is enough. Or is murder not murder if it comes with a job title?
Joy may be the wrong word to use, but when a system is so obviously evil, broken, and wrong exists here do we really get to ride the moral high horse and shame someone willing to deal a blow towards abject evil, someone taking action for once. It seems the left relishes in the wrong use of violence, and the right shy's away from it all together. Both of these are wrong I mean how can we defend the revolutionary war over small taxes and principles but be upset over people killing over poor healthcare that KILLS people????? Violence can be righteous, but only history will tell if this leads to anything righteous. Will we really sit here and not admit to feeling righteous joy at a blow to such an evil system, where even so soon after, we are seeing changes for the better like with anthem. If the powers that be will not handle this in court or in office for the past 50 years or so while people are abused and killed then it leaves little choice and this time for real not some misguided vengeance like the left spews. I rejoice about Stalins death who killed thousands through depriving them of food, much like I rejoice at a blow being dealt to a system that deprives people of sometimes the simplest health care. If you blame this man then you were a red coat in the revolutionary war someone who can not stomach real righteous uses of violence. It is why we have the 2nd amendment.
Joy may be the wrong word to use, but when a system is so obviously evil, broken, and wrong exists here do we really get to ride the moral high horse and shame someone willing to deal a blow towards abject evil, someone taking action for once. It seems the left relishes in the wrong use of violence, and the right shy's away from it all together. Both of these are wrong I mean how can we defend the revolutionary war over small taxes and principles but be upset over people killing over poor healthcare that KILLS people????? Violence can be righteous, but only history will tell if this leads to anything righteous. Will we really sit here and not admit to feeling righteous joy at a blow to such an evil system, where even so soon after, we are seeing changes for the better like with anthem. If the powers that be will not handle this in court or in office for the past 50 years or so while people are abused and killed then it leaves little choice and this time for real not some misguided vengeance like the left spews. I rejoice about Stalins death who killed thousands through depriving them of food, much like I rejoice at a blow being dealt to a system that deprives people of sometimes the simplest health care. If you blame this man then you were a red coat in the revolutionary war someone who can not stomach real righteous uses of violence. It is why we have the 2nd amendment. ***lets see if youtube deletes this again.***
There is a RUclipsr by the name of JD delay who makes prison content and he's been trying to justify this guy getting murdered. You should definitely do a breakdown of his videos. He's got a million and a half subscribers
I bet she would be opposed of this if they were targeting journalists who lie
Oh the entire Democrat media rectum would come to a standstill. Wed have prime time hearings blaming MAGA even when the perpetrators were leftwingers.
If she were still alive...she'd be on the top of some lists
@@docsavage8640 there is a big need for filling some lists. RUclips Team should be listed as well. They have been listing us for far too long and we didn't even know all while lying to us that they are not selling us to jihadis and other invading ideologies.
* testing if they already deleted this comment, I noticed they do the most trying to shut down the voices riling up people against them.
there is a big need for filling some lists. RUclips Team should be listed as well. They have been listing us for far too long and we didn't even know all while lying to us that they are not selling us to jihadis and other invading ideologies.
* testing if they already deleted this comment, I noticed they do the most trying to shut down the voices railing up people against them.
* P.S. yep they deleted one looks like they have changed their tactics deleting comments only after some time has passed so we wouldn't notice. The first one is not showing up.
it's going to happen and she will freak the fuck out.
“I felt joy.”
“Why did you feel joyful?”
“Whoa, stop misrepresenting me!”
He triggered her expression of joyful happiness. :)
She forgot she said she was joyful. Old people forget things.
I think you didn't do enough research on this woman. She has expressed the full opinion before multiple times which had to do with finally getting attention for the thousands of deaths each year caused by healthcare insurance companies policies.
She was about to say "she felt joy from the attention to the broken healthcare insurance model in the US"
But she kept being cut off and he hyper focused on one word.
I'll admit she shouldn't have said things in the way she did and chose her words poorly, but millions are actually happy the CEO who allowed policies that denied or delayed lifesaving care which resulted in 4K to 40,000 injuries. For example very prominent voices online like Flagrant and Joe Rogan said "I don't think anyone's shedding tears over the gangster CEO"
Personally I don't think it was moral to kill the CEO, and it won't fix the company without mass attention of the problem and a massive push to change the law. Another greedy, crooked, slimey CEO will replace him and continue the profit over people's lives model they have now.
United healthcare insurance company has the largest denial rate at 34% of their patients/clients claims are denied and much more are delayed with almost all of them being expediently necessary
@@CameronDC-Grimesok first of all nobody is reading all that and secondly Taylor Lorenz is a disingenuous “reporter “ . Starting with lying about her age so she has lost a trust with my audience she has regardless of whether she is being accurate here.
*any audience not *my
The same person feeling “joy” at cold-blooded murder is the same person fake-crying and clutching her pearls for online bullying. She really is the personification of a cry-bully.
She is not representative of the millions of ppl who think the murder would be justified based on the corporate murder of UHC.
Try talking to one of them instead of falling for corporate propaganda fooling you that Lorenz is an archetype of this belief.
Unlike murder at UHC, Luigi is facing his peers in court. Much more moral, not even factoring 1 murder vs thousands.
Taylor Lorenz has been sinking her own ship for a long time.
This girl apparently has much familiar protection, including having her family remove her past posts on the way back machine.
Career spiral
She's now losing the piece of log she clings onto because that log is dissolving into the water, because it turns out the log isn't a log after all, it's what she produced during her time on the ship. A giant piece of feces.
Absolutely hated her continuing lies and hit pieces on Johnny Depp so not unhappy about her being fired , NOT a journalist , spouts lies and opinions not FACTS
She's a psychopath, no other explanation for her strange behaviour!
Taylor Lorenz went to a Swiss boarding school.... SHE IS NOT "WE".
Do I need to say anymore???
Commies like her ALWAYS come from wealth.
She can afford any type of medical care she wants. Yeah she is definitely not we.
If the CEO was a woman or POC she would not be laughing. This is just about power to these Marxists and the CEO represents the last thing in her way to power. It's sick. "It feels like a victory" yet "not condoning it".
@@lmm8960 She's the epitome of champagne socialist.
@@lmm8960 Yes. Obama's mother was just such a woman. Millionaire commie parents. Naturally she gave birth to a son of Africa. Except his African father was shut out of the picture. Instead he was brought up in Indonesia amongst wealthy, self-styled ex-pat revolutionaries. Shariah savvy communists.
"I feel joyful about it"... "don't say i feel joyful about it!" how dare you quote me from 30 seconds ago.... i've changed as a person since then
Lol!
I'm certainly not joyful about it, I just don't care. It's Karma, plain and simple. The kid was clearly directly affected by this asshole, so took matters into his own hands. How many fathers lost their lives because of the policies he pushed? Cry me a river.
And I'm completely comfortable being called a hypocrite for having this position. They people with all the power play dirty, and none of the peaceful protests even register on their radar.
😂😂😂
She's a galighter of the highest degree. She's even convinced herself that she never said that she's joyful.
@@acarroll6842 No person in America has ever lost their life because an insurance company refused to provide health coverage. They lost their life because a doctor refused to provide healthcare. Do you believe a doctor refusing to provide care without getting paid values money more than human life?
Taylor thinks the internet is real life. Like when her uncle deleted her Twitter history off the Way Back Mechine. in her mind, that means it never happened.
Say what now? I knew she keeps her background hidden (cuz she's a rich spoiled kid) but never heard this part.
Too bad Libs of TikTok has the receipts.
@@simrantoor85 Yeah, one of her family members is a board member or something.
The greatest "joy" was watching Taylor's career fade away in real time. Seeing her sit there and nervously laugh her way through the interview was priceless. I hear Starbucks is hiring.
She can learn to code
No , even Starbucks will not hire HER
No, not even Starbucks will hire HER. People don't like looking at the face of evil
Taylor's world view - A superior moral stance justifies any action.
Or: A belief in one's moral superiority justifies immoral action.
This is progressive ideology. They all believe that "the ends justify the means." These people have their own constitution
Ideology trumps evidence. Lying is simply another way of telling the truth. The quality of rhetoric is not in its truth value but the intricacy of the artifice. Lorenze is a useful idiot leftist. She has no idea who she's carrying water for but she's totally on board with their rhetoric. Rabbit holes were designed for people like her.
Like checking a vaxxx card before allowing you in to an emergency room
Isn’t that an Uber man; superiority of moral, ethical and intelligence allows one to take actions that the ‘lower’ classes would not be allowed to make.
Well, I have to admit; the news of her finally being held accountable for the horrible nonsense she says (this isn't the first time Lorenze says things of this nature) brought me joy.
I felt genuine, joy. Cheers Taylor.
How is this different again?
@@1367dhbkhfhe’s celebrating a lunatic losing their job over a horrible comment, not someone being executed in the street. The fact you can’t see the difference is what makes you the bad guy. Is it painful being that dumb?
@@1367dhbkhf Go away, AI.
You celebrated a woman being fired and her family suffering for it, but claim moral superiority for poo-pooing those hyped about the death of a health care CEO whose policies no doubt contributed to the death of tens of thousands of Americans?
@@1367dhbkhf her enabler uncle can't delete this
She is lying every time she says "unfortunately" or "sorry to say." She looooves this
Ikr she really clearly takes pleasure in getting to be the "edgy/radical" person bc she's leftist, and then even gets to claim she's being misrepresented when he questions the obvious facade.
She obviously doesn't care about the lives of the CEO or the people who die without access of healthcare, it's just an opportunity and she falls back to old tactics when it didn't meet her expectations
commies,
No doubt she is adamantly opposed to the death penalty for people who have been convicted by a jury of their peers, but is joyous about the death penalty by a single citizen judge and jury.
I dunno. Considering all of history, I might be more trusting of random citizens having power over life and death, as opposed to governments having that power.
If nothing else, one citizen has far less capacity for murder than a government does. And a greater chance of being held accountable afterwards.
@@AlexReynard If random citizens have power over life and death, then they are the ultimate authority. Who the hell is holding them accountable afterwards? Lol
@@dafunkmonster That would be the police. I'm surprised you've never heard of them.
@Denisgrady
Spot on, the hypocrisy from these leftovers has no limitations.
Horrified about the speech of this woman. Consenting murder to justify a way to solve a problem. It is disgusting and inmoral
Just out of curiosity, what do you think about the Daniel Penny verdict?
@@AlexReynard Justice has been made! Heros dont deserve to go to jail.
By the way, there is a difference between a brutal murder and someone who tríes to protect someone.
@@Yolanda88 I think that's a thin line. If I've been told correctly (and if I'm wrong about this it'll change my opinion), I heard Mangione's mother was pretty much tortured for years by United Heath's decisions. And it's hard for me to wholly condemn someone getting vengeance for a family member. I'm not so much cheering on what he did, but I'm not going to get sad either. :/
Is there a difference between shooting a random person on the street for no reason, and killing a multimillionaire CEO that rose to wealth by denying people healthcare in the thousands? You have no moral argument.
All emotion and no critical thinking. That woman exemplifies so much of what is wrong with our country, especially the young adult/college-age folks.
Not the country but the rich class in our country that promote the siphoning of all money to the state to be used only by the government. What will and is happening is the destruction of the middle-classes and more and more money is being taken from the poor and given to the rich. Make no mistake this is fascism in action. Not the fascism they cry about or the democracy they cry about but real fascism. The total state control of the means of production. People just lie constantly so you have to look at their actions not take them for their word.
Look at the UK. People are being asked to express the political views of patients in the NHS and to act as informants of those views while being carers as midwives. This is what the Germans did in the 1930's. No one works for the state without holding and reinforcing the states political views.
I don't know if it's "all emotion"-there could be some calculated virtual-signaling (which often feigns emotion) in this.
She’s like 46 years old, look up how she lied about her age to seem more relatable
I 100% agree
She forgot what room she was in.
The room is not the room.
As in, despite the locality of whatever room you are in, keep in mind that there are larger rooms you have to play in. The key is consistency throughout.
She needs to be "in the white room, with black curtains, in the station!"
@@chickenmonger123 💚💛🧡
I mean... she started out by saying that everyone agreed with her...
@@chickenmonger123 Your comment sounds like the love child of James Lindsay and Deepak Chopra.
This type of talk is so common placed in the Left wing circles, she forgot where she was and assumed it was okay to talk that way.
I don't know if "she forget where she was." Maybe. But I think it's more common in leftist circles for radicals to be , simply & defiantly, logical. That is, many leftist radicals don't sufficiently understand or respect logic.
If a Left-winger said in a quick remark that they understand the motive, or outside of media, told me they shouldn't feel happy but they did and felt a little cathartic towards it - I'd be like ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ (i get it)
😡HOWEVER this is Taylor Lorenze and it is made public and said so with a sick smile🤪.
I wonder if she would feel the same if a member of her family was murdered because someone did not a decision they made in their job.
Yeah but she's not commenting on someone dying, she's talking about someone executed on a city street. She ended her career because she erased any doubt about her psychopathy. She's beaming throughout this interview.
Exactly
like many comments on line, sadly
It’s hardly psychopathic to spit on the name of a man that has indirectly killed tens of thousands of Americans through predatory financial practices and health care denial. This wasn’t some little old lady getting shot for her purse; it was a guy that would denied the same old lady health care to save a few bucks. Utter delusion.
She is an evil lady.
Except for that very last clip where she realizes that she's cooked and there's not really any way she can justifiably spin her awfulness.
Feeling joy at what happened is indeed the beginning of the slippery slope to violent totalitarianism.
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller
"Who is they though?" -Ye
Can you pseudo intelectuals stop it with that tired thing?
imagine sympathizing with communists
In other words it's when gnosticsm becomes religion, it's called emergence
This is how everything started in the last century. When you feel a sense of moral superiority with the death of someone that your tribe consider "inconvenient". Peterson talked a lot about this
I genuinely don’t care. You’re 100% right, I just don’t care. I’m fine being a hypocrite about this. Those in power have consistently treated all life as disposable, so it doesn’t bother me when one of them dies. They’d just as quickly send me off to some foreign regime change war, or deny my coverage, and no one but my family would shed a tear for me. Millions wouldn’t mourn me the way they’re mourning this guy. To them, we, the 99%, are insignificant data points. This is the only language they seem to understand.
@@acarroll6842You’re putting them outside of humanity. Fine if you feel that way but if that was your relative you may have a different opinion. Just because they fall in a different tax bracket doesn’t mean they don’t share the same humanity. Wars are not necessarily caused by CEO’s or Religion.
How about you look at those in power who treat life with respect 1st before painting everyone richer and wealthier then you with a broad brush as being disconnected
Because its the only language u understand, we are the same - they are us, we are them - conservatives are old liberals who found out they actually had something to lose - rich liberals arent saints and neither are these freaks - bugged af that this wasnt a poor kid with serious health problems not covered by the greedy white racists or whatever lol just a rich fluck w mental problems like the rest - liberals care more about a squirrel than they do themselves, or others - know thyself!
@@acarroll6842should also note that Germans said the exact same things about the Jewish citizens in the 1930’s and you can go back and study the catastrophic human demise and decline in humanity/compassion and empathy that transpired as a result of that mind set. A good book to get a glimpse of such an effect is “Ordinary men”
I’m not against CEOs as a whole. Let me be clear about that. My issue is with certain industries, like insurance companies and, to some extent, weapons manufacturers. If you’re the CEO of a company that holds power over life and death for regular people, I’m not shedding any tears at your funeral. If you're thje CEO of Nestle,and you don’t believe water is a basic human right in Africa, I’m not feeling sorry for you. On the other hand, if you’re running Lego, well, good for you, keep those profit margins up, I guess. Unlesss you're literally exploiting children in Vietnam, I don't care. Its the industries that play with human lives that I have a problem with.
People are talking about how he was such a good guy, mentioning his family like he was beyond reproach. Then you dig a little deeper and find out he and some associates were in the middle of a $100-million plus lawsuit over questionable stock trades. That pretty much explains the situation. Don’t get me wrong, no one deserves to go out like that, but let’s not pretend these executives are all heroes. Healthcare CEOs make tough calls that often leave people without the care they need, and some of those decisions cost lives. I kinda sympathize with his family on a human level, but the industry he worked in plays is essentially a legal Mafia. So it's like feeling sad for the mob bosses daughter when the mob boss gets wacked. Like oh no, she lost her father, but the world lost a criminal who gets away with it because technically he never commits any crimes, he disguises it. It's just that the mafia disguise their crimes by making the underlings do them, whereas thesese CEOS disguises their crimes through legal loopsholes and corruptio, and all of a sudden everyone is acting surprised when one of their own gets what was ineviatebly comming to them a blind person would have seen it comming a mile away.
The whole “he was a brother, a father, a son” argument feels incredibly hollow to me. It’s the same reason I find it hollow when people defended Joe Biden pardoning his son, saying it was a father’s duty. What about all the fathers whose sons were locked up because Biden pushed for mandatory minimum sentences? That “he’s a father” angle doesn’t really butter my sandwich.
People are insane for cheering for some dude getting murdered by an unhinged person. I don't like the costs of stuff but i don't want them dead. Sickening
Yeah, and people really don't want to live with the alternatives they are implicitly supporting.
Health insurance is a pain to deal with. But it's far better than being stuck with a $300k bill because someone hit you with their car and you spent a week in the hospital. And it's also far better than dying because you were unable to get treated promptly, and died as a result of hospital staffing shortages. And it's better than having your insurance premiums triple because your insurance company isn't allowed to deny claims anymore. There is no conceivable alternative to the system we have that doesn't TOTALLY SUCK ASS. This isn't a game. This shit is complicated. It's hard to make complex systems better. Throwing the whole thing out is basically guaranteed to make it much, much, much worse.
I also hate the repeated claim that "many, many people are dying because of denied claims". They're not. This claim is so absolutely absurd. I challenge these people to find ONE person whose life-saving treatment was denied UP FRONT, prior to the treatment being administered, and that this led their provider to refuse to treat them, and this refusal resulted in their death. Just one. Because I simply don't believe it's happening with any regularity, if it even happens at all.
People who need life saving treatment get that treatment. Then the hospital bills their insurance after the fact. Then the insurance company haggles with the hospital, settles on a figure, and pays it. Then the patient gets billed for their portion of the cost, as specified by their agreement with the insurance company.
Does it suck sometimes to get hit with a bill for medical expenses? Sure. Does it suck that people who pay their bills are often subsidizing the cost of treatment for people who don't? Or for people whose insurers have denied claims? Sure. Is anyone dying as a result of denied claims? No.
The people who hate the insurance companies are, as far as I can tell, just greedy hateful people who want to force SOMEBODY to pay for the shit they want. They don't care whose head the gun is pointed at, they just want their stuff.
My mom used to tell me “when you apologize, everything you say before the ‘but’ doesn’t count.” Taylor Lorenz has a propensity to use “but” a lot when referring to things she “doesn’t want” to see happen
"I don't mean to be rude, but what the f*** are you laughing at?" - I want this on a t-shirt.
Where is the Anti-2A/Anti-gun rhetoric now? Where is Biden calling for tougher gun laws.
YES!
WHO?!? 😂 Is that jungle guy?
Difficult to make that case when this happened in a city with some of the strictest gun laws.
They're trying to get suppressors banned, so there you go. Way to jinx it to existing
Bet she's anti death penalty too.
I can dislike the insurance gambling scheme and dislike deleting people at the same time.
The problem is government interference and overregulation in health/medicine.
100% agreed. Its not a zero sum game.
@@docsavage8640 This is what nobody seems to understand. Healthcare is one of the most regulated industries and the profit margins are low (2-4%). There's no other way for them to operate. Hate our system, but it's an issues of regulations and law. It's also an issue of people not taking personal responsibility for their health in our country. It's impossible to pay for the bottomless healthcare needs of everyone in this nation. Nobody wants to admit that.
@@docsavage8640 No it's not. Proof? The rest of the world healthcare system.
@@belgiumhr3524 you are forgetting we are talking about American government systems. Healthcare is a mess here which is why we pay more per capita than any other nation for it, and that is just nationally
What bubble is she living in where people celebrate a murder?
@saltykraken9471 That woman was celebrating. I suspect it indicates she's a sociopath.
A Far left wing one.
Bluesky
A radicalized one or one on the far left.
“I’m very against death generally, as a principle”.
The brain is following the mouth.
1:26 Using an violence to point out political problems is called "terrorism"
The best part is she's from a wealthy family and has NEVER experienced any problems getting insurance or medicine or treatment.
So? A person doesn't have to personally experience a bad situation in order to understand that it's bad.
@@derek96720 I disagree. Being in continuous pain - 24/7 - with no end date - and no hope. That can only be lived.
@@garyphisher7375 why is it necessary for someone to physically feel your pain in order to understand the wrongness of the system that causes you to feel that way? I don't need a broken back to understand that corporate lobbying is the reason why even routine medical care is denied to people every single day in this country.
@derek96720 actually you do. Pretending to know how others feel is a bad thing.
@@docsavage8640 no, I'm sorry but your take makes no sense. Everyone knows that back injuries are painful. We all know at least one if not multiple people in our lives who have bad back pain or injuries. I don't need to physically break my own back in order to understand that it is very painful and debilitating.
Moreover, a person doesn't need to physically experience a bad situation in order to know that a situation is bad. I don't need to be the victim of identity theft in order to understand that it is a serious crime and can destroy people's lives, because I have a working brain and can think critically about perspectives other than my own.
I feel like she ended her own career.
she will just be hired somewhere else, it's not her, it's the people (commies) behind her paycheck fuming these types of people to push more of this in the West.
I imagine she was asked to leave The Washington Post a while back and now has burnt more bridges.
You'd think a "journalist" would have sense enough not to express her joy even though that's what she felt. Between her, Kamala's joy campaign, Joy Read & Joy Behar the word joy has a whole new meaning & it's not good.
She's using it in the sense of Freudenabteilung. No relation to actual joy.
Well half of Lorenz's career has been lying for the past 20 years about being in her 20s.
At yeast you rise to the truth.
67 year old Taylor Lorenz.
Last month, they were super concerned about the end of law and political violence.
Always have to check what the crisis du jour is...
The laugh/smile of Lorenz is called "Duper's delight".
That is crucial for people to learn to spot. When someone is talking about horrible things while sporting a big smile, it's almost guaranteed that whatever they're saying is a power play and not an attempt at sincere discourse.
If only the Right were allowed shut “ power play” when it comes to the same scenario
@@ricardoconn3807 Recheck your grammar and/or spelling, because your sentence makes no sense. It's unclear what you mean.
I understand how people might simply not care, but to rejoice is another thing. It's unhealthy.
I think of all the young men that might see the positive attention Mangione is getting & be encouraged to follow in his footsteps (allegedly, of course).
@@lance134679 You bring a good point that no one else is bring up here. That is a terrifying thought. And I am getting really scared now for this generation of men (I'm in that generation AS A WOMAN). The girls turn to OF & Insta models and the boys turn to this. This is bad. This is the adults they're turning into. (again, allegedly)
Party of “tolerance”
And ironically enough, _"Joy"._
Thanks for posting this. I almost felt sick and alone reading comments related to this murder the last few days until I saw this.
Oh My! I totally agree. His analysis was so much needed and I made a few comments myself.
"What I said is certainly not what I said!" -87 year old Taylor "geriatric" Lorenze
Evil begets evil.
What evil are you referring too?
"all evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing". is a greater wisdom than your cucked version
@@Basillio11 Murder?
Guess the evil of making people suffer begot more pain, huh?
Are you saying that evil by the CEO caused evil to be done to him?
Absolutely disgusting. What an evil person. Try to imagine what she'd do if she had the power.
She would probably improve the health care system. Relax your self righteous bawls.
@@bigmac8574 "She would probably improve the health care system."
How? By sanctioning a killing spree of CEOs?
O.K. that was scary. She's remorseless.
@@bigmac8574 Imagine a leftist projecting.....
@@rootbeer4888 imagine sticking up for someone who killed millions
Excellent video. I have been absolutely shocked at the comment sections of the videos I've been seeing on this subject. There's a huge number of people outright celebrating this Luigi guy as some kind of hero, and saying that he should walk free. I don't care how terrible of a person someone may legitimately be. I don't NOT want to live in a society where it's ok to just take someone out because of your opinion of what he might be responsible for.
100% agree. It's abhorrent.
Whoa….wait a moment: If you “don’t NOT” want something, that means you WANT something.
Probably a typo... I hope
@@probablynot1368
Probably a typo... I hope
Who is evil? The man profiting off the suffering and death of millions of humans or the man who stopped it? 🤔
In about 40% of Obamacare districts, there is only one choice of insurance supplier. So that's a monopoly. A monopoly has no incentive to keep costs low, and no incentive to keep customers happy by paying claims. I blame Obamacare. The ACA resulted in millions of people losing their preferred doctor, and caused increased premium rates for worse coverage for everyone. The CEO's are just responding to bad incentives created by bad legislation.
👏🏻👏🏻 Rich girl like her has no idea the reality!
Poor CEOs that just responds to ´bad incentives´, never care about those that actually suffers in the Beast system.
@@Br1cht Should they just shut the company down and tell their customers to get fucked? Lol
Although Obamacare was introduced as a solution to an already perceived problem. So there were problems before.
@@onastick2411 Yeah, via medicare, medicaid, government employee health insurance, the VA and the HMO, government had already taken over and distorted half of the health care industry before the ACA was even considered. So, yeah, the problems started before the ACA. And the ACA made it worse. Millions couldn't keep their insurers or their doctors, and health insurance premiums went up and coverage got worse as competition went down. Government is the problem.
Taylor Lorenz is the epitome of the type of person capable of justifying ANYTHING if it’s in the service of something she supports. She is precisely the type who would have gleefully carried out witch burnings, the De-Kulakization of the 1930’s, or the Great Leap Forward. She’s not self-aware enough to have couched her language better, and let the mask slip just a few inches too many. Sadly, public memory is short, and she’ll slime her way back into a media gig somewhere. She’s too useful to certain agendas to be left to wither away.
Lol ..listens to her exact words from her own mouth and still says they arent her words .
This is one of the best intelligent YT channels around. Thank you for enlightening the people.
He is indeed so intelligent. I love this channel. Everything he puts out is so wonderful.
Being joyful over murder is sick
the sickest part is how rare it is to have/see this opinion.
Yeah nobody should be joyful but at the same time, I don't think anyone should be sad he got domed.
You are not expected to be sad when someone dies especially if you don’t like them but to be joyful. That’s another level. Let’s face it if he was Black she would have kept her Latin mouth shut
Really? Would you feel bad if Hitler was deleted? Or Stalin? Do you feel pitty for Hamas members being blasted by Israel? Or does your morals only apply to rich people that have deleted millions in the name of profit?
You should read that comment of the father that had to witness his children end in agonizing pain, screaming to make it stop, only because this company rule that his pain medicines were "unnecessary"
You all laugh at the moral entitlement of the lefties, but you all are the same monsters
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It isn't a problem with healthcare it is a problem with health insurance.
No, it's a problem with the system.
I just asked Perplexity and it posited that on average US health insurance companies have a lower profit margin than other companies. 3%-6% as opposed to the average of all companies of 8.54%.
This comment confuses me a lot.
What do you mean healthcare.
Do you mean a doctor or medical professional providing health care?
Or do you mean healthcare like a social program like Obamacare?
Do you have Obamacare? Is it any good?
If Obamacare not good, then health insurance is only filling the spot Socialized Healthcare would. Means a private company can charge approve or deny whatever they want based on demographics, historicals and medical costs.
Find another insurance company or is that not possible?
I'm not arguing. I genuinely don't understand your comment which has left me more questions than answers.
The problem is government interference and overregulation in health/medicine.
It’s the whole system
Taylor speaks like a happy marxist
People celebrating his death are creepy and callous....YIKES!!
Freudian slip is freaking gold
It wasn't Freudian. She meant to say that. Then she thought about it more when she got pushback.
@rouninpanda6318 i think it is because those are the things you aren't supposed to say in public about a person who got assassinated. i would agree that it's not a slip if there's a video of her spouting the same thing.
As soon as her logical fallacy was exposed by Morgan…look how she immediately goes to the 12 tooth grin as a defense. Sickening.
She believes in the sancity or life, while supporting abortion.
Everyone believes in the sanctity of life to a certain extent. Everyone hates murder, except for when it's the murder of an enemy combatant.
At least that person got to experience life hey !!!
@@derek96720If by enemy combatants you mean soldiers in a war, then it's technically not murder.
You're dead on about this, I'm appalled at the public response to this case.
"Your words are violence" is the same crowd praising this murderer.
I have had to silence so many threads on Reddit for... "feeling joy" about this. I go there for art work, video games, and funny memes. Anyone who calls the guy what he is; a murderer, gets downvoted into oblivion. Its disgusting to see how few actually are willing to put this into perspective.
Most of reddit is moderated by power tripping leftists. Very few of those subreddits actually allow free conversation.
The insurance system is violent?
This poor child...
These type of humans are thankfully destroying the remaining shred of influence they had.
Just her voice says it all.
Why does anyone listen to Lorenz? This is actually par for the course for her.
Lots of great content on this channel, and this publication should stand out.
She can deny her own words that she just spoke while watching them being played back to her in real time. That’s pathological.
This is a narcissistic sociopath.
Meanwhile in real life they share her settement
Please stop trying to be an armchair psychologist. You can't just drop words like narcissist and sociopath so casually and expect to be taken seriously.
She's from a wealthy family and has connections. She's never had to work or meet standards because of it. Every place that fires her, another place gets a call from Daddy
@ please stop trying to be the mediator nobody asked for. You really just make yourself out to look like a busybody that no one will take seriously.
Omg that sounds so scaarrrry
Taylor Lorenze can't even report her age accurately, so any noises coming out her mouth are at best suspect.
Taylor Lorenze is incapable of reasonable thought.
Liberals: "wE dONt waNt vIoLeNCe!"
This is not a C.E.O, it is a human being. Murder is wrong, even if the person felt like they were justified.
But women like that scoundral "journalists" are no humans that I know for sure. Look at her joy.
He was a CEO of a Health Insurance Company. He Hasnt been able to decide coverages since 2010 when 0bamacare was implemented. The Sec of HHS now makes all the decisions for these CEOs regarding coverages. Funny how so few remember "its not a tax" or "your payments will get reduced" while they thew open our southern border on the promise of 0bamacare for all.
@@TheGreatRepeller Now you’re also going too far in the other direction. Do not try to excuse the health insurance industry, by blaming it on a president from nearly a decade ago. Were they affected by certain political conditions? Sure. Are they also profit driven life sucking demons? Also yes.
Don’t be a bootlicker for people that would let you die in instant for your money.
@@TheGreatRepellerthat's not the argument
Taylor Lorenze doesn't understand how evil she is! Almost incomprehensible to me.
I could imagine people laughing out of irony if Thompson had died due to untreated cancer and it had gone untreated because his insurance carrier denied his claim. The two ideas are at least related
You are so simple and straightforward, no word games, everything on the table. I subbed so damn fast to you and I'm so grateful for people like you. It doesn't feel like you pick any sides for sides sake, you pick to side with whom speaks the truth and who do as they say. You are a blessing on this earth my friend.
Well said!
Well said Warren. I enjoy your videos. Keep it up and thanks for your insight.
Everything doesn’t fit neatly into simple right vs wrong when the powerful are evil and the powerless must embrace evil to achieve justice where none otherwise would exist.
I struggle with this, b/c of the evil & corruption behind big insurance companies. Interesting topic, thank you Warren.
Then you should stop and think it through. Carefully. There are tons or morally difficult questions out there, but this should not be one.
Okay. But Warren clearly reminded us that murder is a separate issue from the issue of corrupt insurance companies. Is that really a concept a person needs to struggle with? I mean, isn't it possible to deplore more than one thing-to deplore murder & also to deplore corrupt insurance companies?
She was empowered enough to make the statement then got loud and played victim when accountability was next on the menu.
Typical.
There are so many problems with this..
First of all, people blame the insurance company when the hospitals are setting the rates. Insurance negotiates with them. In what world is the company offering money more responsible than the company that set the price so high that people cannot afford it?
If a dealership has an insanely overpriced vehicle, is the bank at fault for refusing to give me a huge loan or is dealership at fault for overcharging?
Insurance companies and hospitals work together. It's not like the insurance company is a victim too. Please.
@@ZeroZen27 I never said or even implied that. I said everyone seems to put ALL of the blame on the insurance company, but there is zero blame given to the hospitals. I'm pretty sure Taylor herself said insurance companies "Kill people" as if the operations are taking place at the insurance company. The hospital isn't even part of the conversation, which is crazy to me.
I suspect people are quick to blame the insurance company because their only interaction with the insurance company is a claim denial. Otherwise, they never interact with them. There is no "positive" counter to that negative experience. It's not like you go to your insurance company, and get a fat check from them to pay for your treatment. Under normal circumstances, the insurance company only talks to your doctor.
Meanwhile, the doctor never has to have the unpleasant talk with you about cost or billing, because they only have that talk with your insurance company. So you will naturally have a bias toward viewing your doctor (the one who only ever helps you, and never costs you money directly) positively, and your insurance company (who only ever contacts you to give you bad news) negatively.
So your doctor might be ripping you off hard, but you'll never see it, because you don't even shop around. And your insurance company might be trying to stay afloat because they misjudged how much you were going to cost them, and are trying to negotiate down hard and will deny any claim they can just to keep from hemorrhaging money. But you'll see the doctor as the good guy and the insurance company as the bad guy.
This is the problem with third-party-payer arrangements. It disconnects the service from the cost, in more than one dimension.
I do love Taylor's response. "How dare you hold me accountable by showing video of what I said."
Life is not pretty for people whose only truth is whatever they want to be true from moment to moment.
Really enjoy your content, Mr. Smith. I wish you'd drop some longer form video essays, though. But I understand the YT crowd tends to have 10 minute attention spans.
Sounds like you haven't been on RUclips much over the past 5 years, my guy
@@intermidable Why does it "sound" like that, squirt? Keep in mind, I've had a YT account for almost 4 years longer than yourself.
@@intermidable This individual has no idea what they're talking about. Clearly. Absurd comment.
@JaysSavvy you're right, I totally don't have 4,000+ watched hours in the past 3 years. 80% of the videos I watch definitely aren't generally 1-4 hours long.
@@intermidable That tells me precisely what I thought. No idea what you're talking about. Nothing you've said is even remotely relevant to my point.
"80% of the videos I watch definitely aren't generally 1-4 hours long"
What does that even mean?
I can't possibly describe how much your perspective means to me. It's like an anchor.. in an ocean of chaos. Thank you, brother.
Well said!
Lol that word will be on her tombstone.
There is a surprising amount of support for the killer on the internet. Thank you for speaking about this.
She makes me physically sick. I try not to be slipped into hating her as much as she hates everyone in opposition to her views.
It's not about hate. When a person reveals the evil they believe in and you are repulsed by it, it's your instincts telling you to get away from that. It's basic human survival.
@@jimbusmaximus4624 yea be repulsed by stopping evil
My issue is is people cheering it on. I think feeling indifferent about it is fine. But if you're one of those people cheering this on this is ridiculous and sooner or later it's a never-ending snowball once you let the cat out of the bag.
The amount of support for the murderer is sickening, and it's coming from both the right and the left.
I would hazard a guess that the right aren’t euphoric about it but just lack sympathy
@@ricardoconn3807 Speak for yourself.
This is what happens when you normalize the denial of justice. And UHC probably won't be the last one.
I will unify will the left to stop these evil CEOs. They get rich off our suffering.
@@alcredeur I would unify with the left for this.
@@saltykraken9471 You are the left.
Thanks Warren -- breaking up the insufferable Taylor Lorenz with commentary makes it a little easier to listen to her. And I think she is smiling because she really does feel that joy.
I’m disturbed by how many comments I’ve seen that support her view
Self-deletion of Lorenz...
Much schadenfreude 😊
Thank you for exposing the logical fallacies that are being espoused by people like Taylor Lorenz.
She's using words, but they are not stringed together into a coherent whole. It's feelings materialized into words
Imagine how she and her friends - like minded people - must talk when not on national TV being challenged.
"It's the opposite as living as though God exists" That entirely depends on which God you're talking about and even if it's the God you personally approve of anyone can interpret that God's will to mean anything they want including acts of violence like this.
Yeah. Aren't we talking about the same God who sent bears to maul a bunch of kids who made fun of a guy for being bald? That God?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions and painted with Joy, Empathy and Kindness.
Disturbing.
I honestly just don't understand these times we're living in. It makes me so sad for the future & the future of my grandchildren. 😟
Some of the comments here are creepy.
Explain.
Wonder what they think of Capital Punishment?
I’m going through the nightmares of the healthcare hellscape right now, yet, I cannot fathom her take. It’s repulsive.
Very.
You can't remotely understand the perspective of someone being pleased to find out that someone who spent literally decades undermining consumer power so they don't get the vital healthcare they need is now dead? America is in a health crisis that no other civilized country on earth is dealing with right now, and it's 100% because of human leeches like the guy who got killed. They use and abuse the system to take as much money from people as possible while giving as little back, because they've lobbied to make it okay for basic healthcare to be a for-profit institution.
If you can't understand the other side, then it's because you deliberately are trying not to.
Baa louder, sheep.
@@franklyanogre00000 ignore the bot evryone
@@franklyanogre00000 seriously, I’m going through hell rn but I don’t blame the demons is a crazy take
I passionately dispise Taylor yet... I kind of agree with her and it is ironic for her to fall on this and not many other takes that were horrible.... not sad for her, not sad for CEO.
UHC murders hundreds of thousands over decades from healthcare fraud, with only profit as a repucussion?
This "scholar" - crickets.
1 man murders a healthcare CEO and faces his peers?
This "scholar" - the very foundations of the concept of murder are being corrupted by individuals!
Classic David vs Goliath story that resonated with many people. No empathy from me
Yep. When these companies sentence people to death, because paying to keep them alive isn't cost-effective, it's normalized, so we shake our heads, say "Isn't that a shame", and hold no one accountable. This time, a crazy person held the boss of a company responsible.
I'm reminded of the Daniel Penny case. It's not good that he choked Jordan Neely out. But it indicates *something is wrong* that, things got so bad that the ingredients for that moment came together at all.
Taylor thought she would get upvotes in the real world
My spouse has been denied pain medication for her compression fracture by her oncologist, her primary, and her neurosurgeon because of the healthcare industry. They all direct her to the other doctors. In the meantime she is suffering and is growing more and more debilitated as she waits for an MRI and kyphoplasty… waiting for insurance to approve these things.
I'm watching my mom and dad go through similar circumstances. Boils my blood.
I am in a similar situation going on 12 years. I have actual proof of insurance doctoring my medical records multiple times to then justify denials. The treatment I need is expensive plasma treatment. I had it and it was taken away and I cannot get it back. My entire adult life has been put on hold as I gradually get worse alone in poverty.
I know so many people with chronic conditions who suffer needless or could return to work and no longer be disabled if they only received treatment. I would say a third gets the help they need. Another third die waiting. The final third unalive because they lose all caregiving and resources.
My heart breaks for everyone in this thread who is stuck waiting/has loved ones who are waiting... needlessly suffering. I hope you can all get access to the treatments. We have to stay strong. In my mind, it is a moral imperative to survive.
@@Sidera17 Well said, thank you. I hope you get your help soon, Friend.
Not a time to rejoice, but its not a time to be sad
She also seems to be able to write her own wikipedia ... it is full of lies and excuses for her bad behaviour and terrible "reporting" over the years
Thank you, Sir
I don’t think the left and right united over this….i for one did not condone this murder in anyway!!!
Not over the murder, over being unhappy with health insurance companies and the healthcare system in general.