Graves Motorsports Titanium Slip-On Muffler for the CRF450RL Exhaust
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Graves Motorsports has come out with a Titanium Slip-On for your CRF450RL exhaust needs, but it's going to cost you. Is it worth the dinero to have a sweet sounding, ultra light, bonkers sexy muffler?
Also - Thanks Taco Mike from Taco Moto Co (tacomoto.co/) for sending me the muffler to "try out".
PLUS - John swears at his drone!
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Rebel X Rally Kit - bit.ly/3aklkMf
Ricky Stator - bit.ly/3iK8paA
Steahly 7oz. Flywheel Weight - bit.ly/3cVkTIO
12oCLock Labs Advanced Mini Gauge - bit.ly/3pf0z9V
Rowe Electronics PDM60 Power Module - bit.ly/3mo18MP
AXP Extreme Skid Plate - bit.ly/32tu5ir
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Rekluse Radius CX Clutch - bit.ly/35aKx9g
OEM Front Sprocket - bit.ly/2U9h2hJ
SuperSprox 53T Stealth Rear Sprocket - bit.ly/3eEWK9l
D.I.D. ERVT 520 Chain - bit.ly/3pkbjUP
Graves Motorsports Ti Slip-On - bit.ly/3zdt5xy
Tokyo Mods Vortex ECU - bit.ly/3ndIdVf
San Diego Power House Thermostat Delete - bit.ly/3lfu09F
Skaggs Rack - bit.ly/35epEdc
Flatlands Racing Tail Tidy - bit.ly/2U6S9Dp
Scots Steering Damper - bit.ly/38ncsEV
Nomad 20L Tank - bit.ly/2JSsxZ1
Twin Air Filter - bit.ly/3kePoKA
Seat Concepts Comfort XL Low - bit.ly/2U9fjcb
Zeta Levers, Chain Guide, Heel Plate,
Front Sprocket Cover, Bash Guards,
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Stegz Pegz - bit.ly/3kkTotq
IMS Core Enduro foot pegs - bit.ly/2TJTLpE
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Baja Designs Squadron Pro/S2 Headlight Kit - bit.ly/3kig90S
Double Take Mirrors - bit.ly/3p9yAIJ
Acerbis CRF450RX Frame Guards - bit.ly/3eERa6V
Pro Taper Steering Damper Low Bars and Pillow Grips - bit.ly/3nccCDj
Daemon Grip Heaters - bit.ly/2IktFEj
Mosko Moto Reckless 80 and Hood 5 Tank Bag - moskomoto.com/
DeCal Works and SKDA graphics
Acerbis Front Fender
etc...
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Oakley Airbrake Goggles - bit.ly/3n8PZiZ
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Mosko Moto Basilisk Jacket - bit.ly/3pdYTO8
Arc'Teryx Atom SV Jacket -
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Darn Tough Over-the-Calf Padded Cushion Ski Sock - bit.ly/38ypqzw
Jersey
REV'IT! Massif Gloves
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You need to stop apologizing.
You do an amazing job trying to help us see everything and it always looks fine if not great.
We appreciate that your even still trying to improve- it’s funny as hell.
LOL. In my head I see me doing this and videoing that and saying the other thing ina perfect story arc. In reality it's a shit show I try to edit into something semi coherent with a point of some sort. Thanks for watching Billy.
I so look forward to these vids.
Johns the best- but often my favorite part is the stunned silence of the fine people in the comments who don’t know any better than to ask him meaningful questions.
Thank everything holy that there seems to be no shortage of them.
I think I need to do a much better job of answering them before they get asked. Not my strong suit.
@@JohnTYoung I’ve never been as bright as a closet- so I didn’t understand this reply at first because I couldn’t figure out if you were making fun of me, someone else or everyone so I just moved on figuring it went over my head.
I’m reading it now sober before work and it turns out the problem is that you were being dead serious so I couldn’t understand you.
But yeah- I get it.
The more experienced you get with doing demos- the more you think beforehand about how you are supposed to explain what the hell a manufacturer was thinking.
Anyway- it’s not you so much as people who don’t watch/pay attention to the entire Vid even once.
Apologize for the ramble- 3 cups of super black race fuel before I spend every hour of light on a Saturday taking the entire roof decking off someone’s home and then building a new one for it.
Then I get to spend Sunday nailing 1,627 shingles onto it.
Stay in school kids.
@@billyarsenault1970 LOL. I'm sorry. I promise to not be serious any more. I'm having my 3 cups as well before I go to work and have to be all serious.
ABsolutely Love your never-ending enthusiasm , sharing ...... and when I see that drone footage .....Ya GOTTA just love Technology !
Thank you Rick! The drone is pretty cool. Except when it's not. LOL.
John, super trick looking moto. Excellent vid as per usual. You think of everything, even taking a ride and splicing in comparo's. Brilliant mate, thankyou for your hard work and effort! Stay the course, look forward to the next..
Thank you so much Steve!
Started Normal@Video, Ended Beyond Funny@ Bad Drone, Lol...This Made Me Laugh!!
Thanks for watching Bryan.
ive been considering replacing my yoshimura with this also. looking forward to another review after you’ve put some miles on it! i have used 3 different graves exhausts over the years on different sportbikes so i know they make quality stuff! my only concern is mating it to my yoshimura head pipe how you pointed out it’s a little short
It seems like it will last forever, until I drop my bike on a rock. Although I've never damaged my Yosh can after 3 years of parking it on it's right side.
Really nice informative video, also funny that drone is something!
Thanks!
"Where the fuck is the drone?!"
I love it!
About 10 years ago I had a DJI Phantom that flew away on me. AKA: Return to China mode. Never to be seen again. It got zapped by a cosmic ray that made it think it was outside it's allowed radius from "home" position. I was bringing it in to land, about 5' from touchdown, when it suddenly went straight up to about 50', and then full deflection to parts unknown. It flew away with a brand new GoPro with gyro stabilized mount. About $1400. The biggest insult was that I now had about $600 in suddenly unusable support gear, batteries, etc.
So, hearing you wonder aloud where your drone was cracked me up!!
They replaced so many of these things for me, but they never could replace the footage...
12min i hear a 2 stroke hill climbing or a sworn of bees You shoulda also taken the spark areestors out on both to give us 4 different sound options wooda took 15mins
I don't ride with them out. Ever. 4th Degree Arson charges and the bill for putting out a forest fire are things I avoid. Thanks for joining the conversation.
Thanks John!!
You're welcome Damon!
Hey John just picked up 19 with 400 miles, replaced the seat and decided to remove the ugly blinkers on the forks while I’m at it and snapped the bolt, looks like you normal torque bolts right. Still haven’t upgraded ecu, cash poor after buying bike, hoping to find a used on eBay, slim Pickens so far,
Have fun! And use a torque wrench. LOL.
nice backyard. wow
Thanks Earl.
@@JohnTYoung C I have one more quick question…I have the 2022 450 RL and I see that your gas cap does not have a hose going into the motor can you explain to me how you did that because mine seems to go somewhere and I have no clue. I bought the Tusk gas cap for my IMS tank but your L doesn’t have a long hose extending
@@ebhkkc1 I added a cheesy vent plug to it. It doesn't actually work very well tho. Pressure is always building up. Its job is to let pressure out, let air in (as gas gets sucked out of the tank), and to keep said gas from splashing everywhere when your bike is less than vertical.
@@JohnTYoung What does my hose go to then ? I am sorry I am developing my mechanic skills watching you :)
Most of them vent to the air. They just get routed down the neck of the triple tree to keep them out of the way.
Hey, John. Thank you for your videos, fellow rider! It's either I missed it or you haven't covered the main reason for going from Yoshi to the new muffler. Thanks again.
A) It's over 2 lbs lighter. B) It was free to try out and evaluate C) I haven't officially switched permanently to it yet. Taco Mike sent it and asked me to try it out, so I am. I may send it on back to him, tho I'd miss the sound.
If possible, it would be really appreciated if you could make another video where you compare the two . Also, do you think it would require a different Vortex ECU map? Thank you.
@@IM-ce7zc Did you watch the part where I "play" both mufflers? Maybe I didn't make it obvious, sorry. As for maps, It's probably closer to the free-flowing Yosh than the quieter FMF. But tha's me guessing.
Sorry for the misunderstandin, I was mostly referring to a final verdict of a kind. It is now clear to me that yoshi is a little bit heavier and its sound is not as good. Price wise, I am looking into Yoshi as it comes as a full system for pretty mush same money. Other than that, thank you again for your awesome videos!
@@IM-ce7zc No no. I just went back and re-watched and I realize now that my graphics that say "Gaves" and "Yosh" got scrambled and I didn't realize it. That's totally my fault. Thanks for watching I M.
Great review as always! Thank you for addicting me to the CRF😁 How is your Vortex Setting with the Graves Muffler?
You're welcome? I kept the Yosh maps as it seemed to run a bit lean with the Yosh on and the Graves isn't as free flowing. Not that lean is a bad thing.
@@JohnTYoung 👍 what you think is the best dual or long distance riding map and fuel setup with the Graves exhaust and stock heater? Did you have your fuel stings reduced with the yosh?
@@MrBenfru I just run maps 1 and 4. 555 on the trim. If I was racing I might bump the high setting up, but I don't.
Thanks. I get ma Graves next week. I hope! I will training out your settings .
Seeing the Drone with a motorcycle helmet on, has to be pretty hard.
It's kind of impossible. LOL. Thanks for watching!
clicked for the muffler review, left remembering nothing but the drone's.
Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?
The sound is good. Looks are hidden by the plastics so mute point to me. Is it worth paying more for a slip on than a full Yoshi system to save a couple pounds, not to me but it is just my opinion and we all know about opinions lol. Great review!!! Stay safe
I wonder what their full system is going to cost....? Thanks for watching.
And I was hoping your next clip was going to be the Ox Brake install :(
I broke one of the parts and can't finish the install until I replace it. Also, it looks damn near impossible to mount it without ditching your turn-signal control pod...
Just spotted you girl over on Taco Mikes channel.
He’s carrying on about her amazing cockpit.
Clearly she liked his slip-on pipe more than you thought.
How could you let her hang around a guy with a nickname like that?
That Taco Mike is a sweet talker. Said they were just going for a stroll behind the big tent.
It would be interesting to see you order in a fmf powerbomb header and compare the yoshi header with the powerbomb to see if there is a difference
That’s a great idea! Now, to pay for it…… Maybe FMF is watching? LOL.
@@JohnTYoung we can only hope!
Ya! Maybe Honda is watching too and they’ll send me a 2022 Transalp to test. 😃
@@JohnTYoung ehh 450rl is cooler lol in my opinion! Im just waiting on my empire full system to come in rocking a vortex with stock exhaust for now
Honest question..... Why not also wrap the muffler with exhaust tape?
I wrapped my muffler on my WR so the hot muffler does not put my Mosko Moto Reckess 40 at any risk from the heat. The heat shields are ok, however, the wrapped muffler (at least on the little 250) is safe to touch at any time. Nothing gets melted or burnt.
A) I ran out of wrap B) How could you cover up that sexy sexy titanium C) I absolutely never even thought of it. 😎
aside from slightly more weight, this is a genius solution. I think the only thing you might need to think about... you're not deleting that heat. It has to go somewhere, so now your exhaust is going to be super hot. As long as an indicator or other plastic isn't near the downstream this sounds better than pipe clamps and heat shields.
Hi John thanks for all the information you putting out. Is the Graves noticeably quieter than the Yoshi?
Yes, tho it's still not stock quiet.
@@JohnTYoung hey, have you found something quiter than stock?
@@Berecutecu No. Nothing is even close
Hello John! Can I ask you about installing GRAVES MOTORSPORTS FULL TITANIUM EXHAUST SYSTEM? On my bike's stock exhaust pipe there's a Lambda/O2 sensor. That I must to do with it after installing Full Graves exhaust system? Is there any included bung with Graves ?
Not that I know of, no. Find a welder?
@@JohnTYoungJohn, greetings. I'm planning to install a Graves exhaust and a Taco Moto ECU. My 2019 bike (EU/JP version) has an oxygen sensor installed on the exhaust pipe. There is no mounting location for this sensor on the Graves exhaust. When replacing exhaust, what should I to do with this sensor? Should I leave it unconnected or is there a plug (or bung like Yoshimura's Lambda/O2 sensor bung) for it in combination with Graves?
Ok, let me if you keep it and want to sell the adapter. Thanks for your channel, I bought a 2022 450rl and just started some upgrades.
Deal!
Is that the Skydio Drone ?...do you still use it/think it's worth buying ?
It is the Skydio 2. I have a new one I have not used yet... it's the 3rd or 4th they sent me after crashes a few. I have not had a lot of luck with the avoidance feature.
@JohnTYoung Thanks for the info...it's a drone with a lot of promise, but often does not fully deliver. You had some great footage from it in this video though... I love it when it skims by the trees and changes flight path to avoid an obstacle.
$800 for a slip-on is crazy
Welcome to the 2020s where every manufacturer is squeezing us for money.
hey john do you know if the Graves Titanium Header will work with the FMF Factory 4.1 RCT Slip-On Exhaust? cant find anyone talking ABout it. i saw you run with grasves slip on with your yoshi header. can you find anyone talking about this or know anymore? they saw they both work for the 450x so should i go with it? cuz its what i want to do. thANKs
Mike Spurgin at Taco Moto Co may know. He's been running all the different mixes to see what fits what.
Hey John, how would you rate the 450L on the freeway? I currently have a Yamaha WR250R that just doesn't have freeway power/stability and I am looking for a good upgrade. Thanks John for your thoughts and really enjoy your vids.
It's OK. Stock, it'll top out at about 90 MPH, but it gets wiggly at 70 or 75, so you don't actually want to be doing 90 anyhow. With a little extra weight and a steering stabilizer it's much better. The way my bike is set up it works great... but mine isn't stock.
@@JohnTYoung That's funny, I think the fame is the only thing still stock on yours. So with a stabilizer it should be stable at 75? Would it be real high in the rev range and super buzzy? Just wondering if you needed to do 250 miles +/-, you would say "you could but i wouldn't" or if you would say "it would be OK".
@@johnscott9829 well I'm pretty hardcore, 250 road miles isn't that bad... to me... 3 or 4 hundred, however, is pushing it. And yes, it is buzzy, so hold your grips loosely. It'll be fine.
So question you may have already answered. Whether it's the yosh or this. When you delete the stock cat, is there anything else you have to do to compensate? I have the vortex ecu. Thanks again for trying this stuff out. Very interested in losing a few lbs over the stock exhaust.
If you have $800 to burn on a muffler then sure, get the Graves. $400 to save 2 lbs. over the Yosh...? If you add an exhaust you ought to get an ECU, otherwise you're just leaning the bike out even more. ECU, take the lid off your airbox, and go have fun.
@@JohnTYoung Sorry, I may have misunderstood. To clarify, I still have the stock can. My question was more general about deleting the cat, you need to do some ecu tuning?
@@MVPauric So the cat adds tons of flow restriction to your system. Deleting it would further lean your already lean bike. Yes, you ought to do some tuning if you pull it out.
If you already have the Vortex just set it to the Yoshi or FMF setting and see which one feels best. Maybe adjust the other 3 settings accordingly. No further mods necessary.
Hey John any updates on this exhaust?
I am about to pull the trigger on one manly because the yosh is always out of stock but I hear though the grapevine it possibly melted someone’s taillight?
Totally melted my taillight, tho not Taco Mike’s. So I’m sure it’s my fault. Too much heat wrap or a wrapped it better this time or something. Who knows. Still sounds sweet.
@@JohnTYoung
ahh that makes sense all that trapped heat needs to go somewhere.
Really love the look of it
Might give me a reason for taillight signal light combo :)
Taco should have given you a discount code so you got credit, as that’s where I am going to get mine from even though I am out of Canada
Yoshi for me.
Yosh is nice.
Is there any way to get around the melting of the taillight?
Mine didn’t melt until I put the Graves on. Not sure why.
John i have a stock 450rl, i want to change the muffler and header to either this one or yoshimura. What else do i have to do besides installation??? Doesn't the bike run to lean or something as is ?? I have to do something to the computer/ecu kind of confusing
Dont know if i can do it myself or pay ridiculous price for a dealership mechanic to.
Thanks Anthony
The bike does run very lean (lower percentage of gas to air) , and will run even leaner with a free flowing exhaust. The only way to rich (higher percentage of gas to air) up the mixture on an EFI is to switch ECUs or have the stock one re-mapped - which you can't do on the L/RL. Changing the ECU to a Vortex or the new GET (ECUs that are programmed richer for aftermarket exhausts and air boxes) when it comes out is pretty plug and play, but the cost may be a bit high. A Power Commander (ECU add on sort of) is cheaper, but not as finely tuned as a replacement ECU.
@@JohnTYoung ok thanks John, your videos never let me down, as an 450rl owner ive learned more from your videos than anywhere else for information on this bike.
Much respect, thanks.
@@papatony19 Thank you, Anthony!
Whats settings did you run the Yosh and Vortex at and what changes did you have to make for the Graves? It looks like you are running 2 maps.
Maps 4 and 1 as always. I think the bike still runs a little lean with the Yosh, maybe even leaner with the Graves. Think about adding some gas, tho I haven't yet.
@@JohnTYoung what #s on Low Mid High?
I dunno, I haven't messed with it yet. I only recently noticed. I am still on 555, but the exhaust is running hot and the plug is a little on the white/gray side. Try 666 and let me know how it goes. OR switch to the FMF Maps. They are bit leaner as well. But thanks for reminding me I need to do some tweaking to my bike! I get lazy after a long trip.
@@JohnTYoung I saw a vid recently. Each increase from 5-6-7 increases the richness 2.5%. I am guessing that each range requires more fuel. However you have traveled extensively and the 5s seem to work for you. Thanks for the reply. I purchased a 2019 Your vids helped with the decision and others. Be safe. Soon as I get the bike ready, doing some PM on it first I will let you know how 567 work out
@@bradmoody5067 That sounds great Brad! I keep meaning to get in there and mess with it, but I keep not.
What header do you use with the slip on
You can use any… the header for the CRF450X works well
I just bought a 2022 today and I want to change the exhaust and loose some weight. This one sounds pretty loud. What did you end up with? Thanks in advance
I've had the Graves for a while now. It's loud, tho not as loud as the Yosh.
@@JohnTYoung Thanks, as your reply came in I was watching your 16k review and I saw you still had it. I’m dropping everything into shopping carts and I’m going to have it all shipped as it’s available. Definitely the Rekluse RadiusCX, the rear rack and the Reckless 80 bags so I can share them with my 890 Adv R.. I’m probably going to mirror most of what you’ve done except the Rally tower. Thanks for your video’s
You’re welcome. You’re going to love it!
Hows the sound compared to the stock header? A ton louder?
I did not try the Graves with the stock header, so I'm not sure. I imagine it would be quieter tho.
What do you use as a video editor?
Adobe Premier Pro
Could you feel the weight difference on the bike ?
I felt the difference going from stock to the Yosh. Maybe a tiny bit going from the Yosh to the Graves.
@@JohnTYoung thank you. Love your content. I just got a 450l!! I’m way pumped. So much hate regarding this bike. I was stoked to see someone enjoying it as much as you!
Will you sell me your adapters? I'm putting a fmf slip on on my oe pipe. Thanks
If I don't keep the muffler I'll have to send them back with it. Sorry.
Anyone know is this slip on would fit on a mega bomb header?
I don't know, but Graves Motorsports might...
Tacomike did a teaser video showing a few different combinations of pipes/mufflers on a dyno and he also weighed them. I suspect that vid will be out soon.
What tires are on the bike?
Motoz Rallz. Great BDR 80/20 Tires.
@@JohnTYoung- i have a 701 Enduro and want to get rid of the twinduro tires. Thank you!!
@@Community-Action you're welcome.
Looks like your tailight etc is loose and vibrating. 11:19
Nope. It does that to keep from fatiguing from the vibration. It's mounted in rubber because that which does not bend, breaks. Honda knows a thing or two.