Why Young Europeans are Further Right than Brits and Americans
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Young Europeans are seemingly getting more right wing - and at a much faster rate than Americans or Brits. So in this video we'll explain how Gen-Z Europeans are shifting right and try our best to figure out why this might be happening.
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0:00 Introduction
1:14 Where is this Happening?
3:35 Compared to US, UK & Australia
4:51 Possible Explanations
I think you might have overlooked an important point: continental right wing parties are far less economically conservative than the anglo-american ones. Take Italy as an example: Fratelli d'Italia is a far right party if we talk about civil rights or immigration, but they are more of a "social right party" from an economic point of view.
National Socialism
@@danieldelaney1377 the nazis weren't socialist at all, they made all unions illegal pretty much immediately. But still they weren't far right regarding some part of economics, while with others they were far right
@@jan-lukas - so the Chinese Communist Party is not socialists either?
@@JanBruunAndersen Yes there economic system is state capitalism
@@JanBruunAndersen I mean that kinda a known fact that China is not communist in reality but capitalist with a different set of social policies.
Besides. Even the Commies stopped Unions for workers. In Fact Unions were a big factor in bringing down the USSR..
There is also phenomena, at least in Finland, that men increasingly vote for right-wing parties and women vote for left-wing parties. This can be best observed by looking at 'the newer' options, the Greens and the Finns.
It’s basic marketing really. You can’t create a product that are hip yet doing well with elderly same with gender and politics messaging.
It’s something that we’ve learned in marketing class yet more experienced marketing machine like Gillette and Budweisser seemed to think they can get away with only to see falling sales in their core demographic. It’s ALWAYS happened and you would only want to shift if your current demographic is dying.
Let's go Finns 🎉🎉🎉
That's because your women keep wanting more free shit and the men are refusing to pay for it because they understand how it'll be funded. Just take a look at American divorce court if you need examples.
Recent poll in Poland showed similar correlatiom
It’s also a matter of rationality. The left has abandoned the side of hard workers of the lower end and rather prefer to lose their time and resources in tackling rainbow issues that have become absolutely preposterous and damaging to society.
People mostly want to be able to economically grow through their work and not be annoyed too much from the government.
Then you have spoiled entitled brats..
Right wing in Europe is mostly about the extreme migration waves and the correlation with increased crime rates. But where I live also the unemployement rates and the money that is lost to this.
Nah, all new left rubbish is the reason.
Migration is the "waking up" reason
This is exactly it. I voted for Macron twice and I still like many things about him... but immigration is out of control in my area. There are literally women walking around covered head to toe and many women are scared to step outside. This cannot continue.
@@ALeaud Bullshit. Overall crime is down in the entirety of the EU. Including Theft/robbery/burglary/homicides. If you account for socioeconomic factors, immigrants basically have the same crime rate as native people.
@@ALeaud IDK man you voted for Macron, it sounds like you wanted this.
@@datnoob4394 Nope. Macron did not start the flow of Islamic immigration into France. That was the previous governments. The problem is that he's done very little to slow it down. The FN quite literally founded by an anti-Semite which is why we never voted for them. Marine Le Pen has made the party more moderate and will likely do a better job.
Populism, from the left and the right, is generally very stupid and low IQ so there's a high chance she'll do nothing. She'll be just like Meloni who was basically the Le Pen of Italy and ran on an anti-immigration platform and now is bringing in millions.
Another aspect is, that Europe used to consist of largely homogeneous societies. In the Last 30 years we had unprecedented levels of immigration, which, here in Austria and Germany at least, used to be an absolute taboo-topic in my parents generation.
Since 2015 migration has reached a point where it can no longer be ignored and many young people feel it is an issue that needs to be adressed.
Exactly this! It's the main reason why I'm voting right-wing next elections. In many European countries there has been a gradual erosion of identity and culture due to mass immigration. I'm not against immigration, I just don't want to live in a Germany where 50% of the population aren't even Germans. Then it's not Germany anymore, but something else.
Exactly.
@@DisPater-jt3hrYou should just be honest and admit you're a racist, it's fine. What's the point in pretending?
@@zed7060I’ll invite you to go to Frankfurt am Main and go around the Main Stations Neighbourhood, tell me how immigration didn’t fail there then haha.
Just because someone is for stricter immigration laws doesn’t mean that one is racist.
@@GermaniaImmortalis Lol that's the worst example you could've used. I've already been to Frankfurt. If immigration is the reason Frankfurt has such a big drug problem, why isn't that the case in other big cities with a lot of immigrants like Hamburg or Berlin or Munich? None of those cities have a drug or homeless situation nearly as bad as Frankfurt even though they have a ton of immigrants. So why not? If we were being intellectually honest about this situation, I think we would have to admit Frankfurt has some unique problems which make it a shit hole, and immigration isn't unique to Frankfurt.
It boils down to anti establishment. Like you said, whatever we have now, clearly isn’t working, so young people naturally gravitate towards whoever happens to be on the opposite side of political spectrum.
If only that is a factor, young will gravitate toward the opposition, no matter how the opposition is positioned on the political spectrum. A big part of that right-wing change is happening because of those waves of immigrants from the middle east, Africa, and those -stan countries...Those people usually don't want or can't accept European values, those people are 99 percent Muslim while Europe was Christian territory and now is secular, and that is the wedge. And probably other things play a role.
Hey, also polish here. Right wing isn’t anti establishment. Left wing is. Liberals are not left wing. Socialists are.
so they gravitate towards classical liberalism?
@@ozymandiasultor9480 Meh.
Immigrants play little to 0 role why the Portuguese current left goverment sucks awfully. It can be called a mafia state, we get sucked dry and get nothing in return. Social welfare done wrong (as opposed to done right in the Nordics)
Sadly, most of the time they dont even think and are just "vote for the others" -.-"""
The "poverty is a choice" thing could be (or partly) explained by the fact they already have good social programs, mostly-free university, etc. As opposed to the US, where access to education has a financial barrier.
Free universities benefits wealthier people more than poorer people so I don't think that argument matters
@@elfrjz what happened in Brunei
It doesn’t have a financial barrier. The us and the uk all have good and capable social programs.
@@kordellswoffer1520 Dude, there is no comparison from the UK to the US in social programs. Its like night and day. Poverty in the US is basically a death sentence. Heath care alone is a prime example.
@@roujin518 that’s not true. America poor people aren’t dying in mass. In America if you’re poor you are better off than any middle class person in India. The us provides large scale social programs for the poor and sick it is a stupid myth otherwise. Actually healthcare is an example in my favour. You are far more likely to die in a British hospital than an America one. The care you will get in America is considerably better than in Britain. A British hospital is seemingly a death sentence.
A reason might be that immigrants don't adapt as well in non-English speaking countries. Young people often learn English just by being on the internet a lot. For most smaller languages that's not the case. Third or fourth generation immigrants often still speak with a heavy accent and feel more connected with a country they've never lived in themselves. They watch tv from the homeland and only hang out with other people from their community instead of engaging with locals.
I would say the exact opposite. In English speaking countries, the preferred model is a melting pot, everybody can keep its culture and language. In non English speaking countries, they make more efforts to adapt to the local culture and to assimilate because otherwise they will be rejected.
@@sans_hw187 mh not really, actually here in Italy immigrants brag about owning the country and beating italians
@@gaia7240 I’m talking about legal immigrants and mostly pre 2015. For the illegals that cross the Mediterranean on dinghies, that’s another story, they won’t adapt anywhere and wand everything for free
@@gaia7240 muh anecdote
Migration being seen as the most important issue is probably not due to right wing opinions, but rather the fact that it's a topic on both sides of the spectrum (left wing: people dying in the mediterranean / right wing: social systems imploding and criminality)
I think a big difference is that the GOP and Tories don't exactly have an economic program to support young people and just keep subsidizing old people all the time while telling the young that they "should pull themselves up by their bootstraps". Contrast this with Marine Le Pen for example who proposed that everyone under 30 should be tax-exempt.
Damn, she has a point
It's quite simple. The more a population see's issues caused by mass immigration first hand the more nationalist they will become. Here in the UK running gang battles in French cities and regular grenade attacks in Sweden are not reported to the public so we have yet to comprehend the gravity of the situation in some of these European states. If things like that were reported people would be looking at the situation thinking. Why in France? Why in Sweden? Why none in Poland or Hungary?
Naughty thoughts that they shouldn't be having like that.......😂
Yeah. Rob the old when they’re too weak to go and rebuild their wealth. Oh wait. THEY’RE DOING THAT NOW in the western world. Inflation, ever increasing taxes to pay for mad political narcissists virtue signalling. What DO you think is going on now?
Le Pen is probably in the only country that cna even dream of such an exception (although realistically that would require dismantle the social security system en masse - and we can se show well the French will take that). For the rest of Europe the demographics are so dire that such a proposal would be impossible. Considering the de globalisation that is happening now, Europe will probably chose to repeat the errors of the early 20th century and give fascism in some form a whirl. It won’t end well - we’ve played that game before, but sometimes a generation needs to learn the hard way. It will sadly not alleviate any of the suffering that young people are enduring, but at least the nationalist rhetoric will be a nice distraction form deindustrialisation.
Subsidising! The people that you refer to have worked for the longest time, working the longest hours, paid more tax than any generation, so perhaps they have already paid for what they get. The young meanwhile want to work fewer hours and spend more time complaining and campaigning than working and have as yet contributed little.
I think the problem is, that americans and brits are mixing right wing with conservatism and left wing with liberalism. But in europe, we have right wing liberals, right wing conservatives, left wing conservatives (Communists) and left wing liberals. And from each political direction we have multiple parties. For example, we have 3 left wing parties variants, and people in election choose how much "left wing" should the government be. If they want to be governed by more radical or more moderate left wing leaning party.
Yes.
America mixes them up for sure but why Britain? They have multiple parties they just don’t win much. America does kinda differentiate but only in the primaries. Bernie sanders was the anti establishment more left wing socdem candidate in the democrat primaries. He would align with European left wing parties.
Trump is the anti establishment conservative candidate. He’s more anti immigration protectionist …
He aligns more with the European right wing populists parties.
Meanwhile Biden and every other Republican and democrat are establishment and neoliberal. They differ on social issues taxes and spending but they are all free market
Right wing economics are connected with conservatism. That's why they are mixed together. Also here is a lot of reasons why a two party system makes sense and works better.
The vast majority of right wing believe both in morality and meritocracy. Other just want chaos. It would be stranger if someone wants morality but in economics believes in chaos or want meritocracy but believes in social chaos.
@@sergiom1136 You so much think inside a box. It is not strange, it is normal, that some voters want for example more LGBT rights and legal abortion and at the same time smaller social welfare and flat tax. Or they want to keep conservative christian values, but have more wealth redistribution. Personally, I would be frustrated If I had to choose only from republicans or democrats.
I'm not European, but I'm certain this is the correct explanation. If you fully look at the polling data from these countries, young people overall still vote more for left wing parties (Portugal and Sweden afaik are the exceptions). The difference is that the European far right is much more popular among the young and working age demographics relative to traditional center right parties. France is the best example of this. The most popular parties among French youth are La France Insoumise followed by National Rally, while retirees disproportionately vote for Macron's En Marche and the Republicans. So, the crux is that young people in the anglosphere are much more left because they associate the whole right with whatever makes center right politics unpopular with young people, whereas in Europe the far right is more appealing because they have a more distinct brand.
Because we are tired to not feel at home in our own country so yeah, we fight back. We are not lollipop english or American “values” of anybody everywhere.
We want to keep our community, our people our traditions our culture.
Exactly, even the nordic countries are experiencing increasing tension! INTERNALLY! that is NOT normal, and its not a generational divide either, its outright ripping families apart, and its all just american anti-culture slop, enough is enough, reject citizenship, return to the tribe!
People can become Danish, sure, fine, but they cant become Danes.
Gatekeep, or your culture will literally be strangled by cultural imperialists subscribing to extremist ideologies.
As an American, I agree with you. The US culture is built on immigration from the beginning. Our culture is a young and malleable one that is based more on ideas than old traditions. Various European countries on the other hand go back well over 1000 years and have a distinct, set cultures that deserves to survive. Therefore, I don't think European countries need to adhere to the standard of American values, simply for the reason that they are not American--so why should they? Do what helps your country the most.
@kat8295 Out of many European cultures, and peoples came one American culture with many aspects of Europe. Many people came: English, Irish, Germans, etc. They assimilated. Now they are virtually indistinguishable from one another. They are Americans.
The people coming now, are not and will not assimilate, and it is to our detriment. They are encouraged not to assimilate. Many never even learn English. They have no desire to become Americans. They are only economic immigrants, which is the worst type. They come for economic reasons and that is it. In forty years, the city where I lived has changed from everyone speaking the same language and having the same/similar culture to split between another language, and culture. Therefore, you have much less in common with half of your townspeople, and may not even be able to communicate.
Why.
It is because of immigration from Muslim countries, It's not because they want more capitalism like in the US.
I think there is a glaring problem on this topic… what is “right wing”? Economically right wing or socially right wing? Also, as someone pointed out in the comment section, what is considered right wing in Europe can still be very left wing by Uk, and specially american, standards. The word “right wing” really encompasses a whole lot of things that can mean very different things to different people depending on where they are.
Economically speaking, most of the right wing parties in Europe are much more to the left than their equivalents in the UK or America. However, in Europe they are also more culturally conservative. Heck, this isn’t even necessarily in comparison to just right wing parties. The Danish Social Democrats have a migration policy arguably tougher than virtually the entire right wing of the Conservative Party in the UK advocates for.
It's a problem created by a bias in political scientists that somehow seems to be near-universal: "radical right" in political science is defined as "party that wants to reduce immigration through democratic means" which is neither radical, nor right-wing (right wingers like cheap labour and lower minimum wages than the national living standard can support, remember?).
They happily declare the left-wing Danish Social-Democrats a "radical right" party because they want to limit immigration. It is a left-wing party that is neither radical nor right-wing. Totally ridiculous.
Meanwhile, "radical left" doesn't even exist as a definition in political science. It baffles me that this has become common and it kinda shows a political bias commonly held in political science imo.
Exactly. It seems to me that the left wing in the US is a pot where they throw anything at all, even if it contradicts itself. And the right just goes with whatever is opposed to what the left is cooking at the time, even if it contradicts itself...
The whole "left wing" and "right wing" is old and outdated. It's an easy way to put a label on people, but fails at actually representing their opinions.
In an ideal world we would accept that people can be "left" on one matter and ""right" on another. The left and right labels frankly only serve to segregate people and have both groups believe it's the other that is ruining the country/world.
Indeed - in Germany the most right-wing party which can be still considered democratic is the Bavarian CSU. And their ideas about health care, welfare etc. would make them left-wing Democrats in the US, in the Bernie Sanders camp.
I think you're forgetting that European youth have (in most EU countries) grown up living with left wing governments that have been unable to do anything about massive youth unemployment issues (especially in the southern nations) coupled with unaffordable housing and wage stagnation. They also view immigration as direct competition in an environment where they are already struggling to get their feet on the employment and housing ladders - which is why it's a hot topic for them lately.
Freedom of movement is great if you're a wealthy tourist. It's an absolute nightmare if you're just starting a career in an environment where your elders would rather hire someone from a poorer EU country willing to work for less, instead of paying you a fair wage or providing you with training to become as productive as a cheaper imported workforce.
Economy doesnt explain everything
Well, Silvio Berlusconi was the prime minister in Italy three times during years 1994-1995, 2001-2006 and 2008-2011 so at least in Italy most of the young adults or teen have not grown up with left wing government. Spain on the other hand has had both conservative and left wing governments during last three decades.
the Left wing parties part is just horsesheeet ahahahaha you know people usually talk with each others, European people always knew the big scam of the left that in Europe never existed nor voted by anyone, who cares about the useless internet where you found useless and pointless comments like this one, you should try, its called Society
Right-wing governments have done nothing for young people. Including opposing the minimum wage.
@@slavianalbanovich9025 depends where
As a Lithuania who spent over 5 years in England, it didn’t take me long to realise and be surprised at this phenomenon, so thank you for doing this video! Though I’d consider myself more liberal, I would have to say that at least in Lithuania there are close to none great left wing parties I would actually like to vote for, other than the recently established freedom party, which still has a long way to go to get its footing. Therefore people like myself historically would end up voting for right wing, which is still quite confusing to me but hey ho. You want to vote for the party that promises and then succeeds at following through with the implementation of things you find important.
I can speak for Germany: Mostly they moved right because being sick of left and nearly all parties look the same if it comes to topics like migration. The government was a coalation of 3 parties with minorities of voters, so both they had many conflicts inside and also dictated segments of the minority-agendas to a majority. The worse thing is, all the bad things the government did, they did not show any regret or idea to change their ways, even when the people weren asked and it was clear they are unhappy.
What is the benefit of this for german government . Y they letting in muslim immigrants even though everyone knows that they are dangerous to the society?
3 parties? That's still good, here in Czechia, our government coalition is made of 5 parties, they made this government on purpose to get rid of the most powerfull party (owned billionare populist) and far right anti-immigration populist party ruled by Japan immigrant, I am not kidding, that's Czech politics. 😀
But pretty much all our bigger parties are against massive immigration and people here are scared from what we can see in Germany right now. I think many people who supported accepting muslims changed mind in last few weeks, this is really out of control what we see in Germany - attacking jews, burning synagogues, it's pretty scary. I know a lot of people who are very radical palestine supporters and I believe they would go burn some synagogue if there was more of them, but they will not do it alone thankfully.
It's worth noting that a lot of the "right wing" European parties are left wing on many issues, by American and British standards.
Just another example why right and left are very subjective
Not quite.
The affiliate of the GOP and Tories is the ECR, and there's no way you could swap the political program from the EPP onto the Democratic Party website, or vice-versa.
European politics are more left than the american ones, but not that much as to swap sides.
exactly. On a fairly absolute scale, when accounting for all political beliefs and systems that have existed since we've kept track, modern European right wing parties are center-right at best. I'd argue that the American Democrats are further right than European right wing parties, and the British Labour party I'd only consider a centrist party. The British and Americans don't really have a substantial left-wing party.
The german FDP for example might be econocally conservative and not super liberal on migration, mut they are by no means a righ-wing party in the traditional sense.
Nit true. Might be true of USA but not UK
Meanwhile here in hungary 29% of young people vote for a meme party
When the elections are rigged via a confusing formula in a the constitution and not gerrymandering you might.
Although Kutyapart is a meme party it's by far the most trustworthy of all
hell yeah
That doesn't mean they're not right wing or left wing but they just don't believe in any party for now . That being said it's funny as fuck. Go Hungary 🎉🎉🎉
Not 29, just 19% ...and the far right party Mi Hazánk in the age of 18-29 is the first with 22%. .... why? because that idiotism of left (multiculti, lgbt, (pfffujj!!!!), etc) can not be sold in a society where in the 20th century 2 different ideology driven dictaureship happened....
Honestly I think immigration is the biggest problem. There are so many immigrants here coming from hyperconservative and religious cultures and they keep living in those ideologies here. And the European left wing parties don't take a strong stance against that. So we need to vote European right wing parties to protect our own progressive culture free of religion. As soon as immigration is properly regulated I'm sure young Europeans will massively vote left again.
we blundered on immigration and it won't ever be fully solved again, the chance passed, however we can indeed do damage control
@@mabusnero5282 damage control can make it go from very shitty blunder to absolute total disaster, I think it's worth it
Mass immigration is the reason why I'm voting right-wing next elections
Do you realise how much you need immigration? How many kids do you have btw?
@@jordimg7727Sadly you are right. In Romania tho, 90% of the population are ethnic Romanians, and the remaining 10% are Hungarians, Turks and gypsies, which are historic minorities that have been here for centuries. Unfortunately, we started having immigration here as well. We have over 100.000 southeast asian foreign workers here and about 800.000 Ukrainian refugees. The Ukrainians aren’t really a problem, since they are quite close to us culturally and we both are Orthodox Christians, but they are quite arrogant. The main problem is that we have over 7000 refugees from islamic countries, and the number is rising. That is really scary. The government is saying that we won’t allow more refugees, but not many ppl believe them.
Don't know how it is in other countries, but in Finland social media, and especially TikTok is a major reason for the popularity of the Finns party. Whole platform is built around short videos without the need to go into any depth about your policy arguments so it works perfectly for a populist party.
That might be true for every fascist party: they present "easy" solutions for complex problems.
This is exactly what fascism does, they're great at propaganda, but not actually good at offering solutions that help people's lives. What they do, is they target vulnerable individuals and try to worsen the lives of those people, so the average person "feels" like they have it better when they have someone to look down on, but in the end, nothing improves for them, usually it only gets worse.
@@AK-jm1sc the old school nazis from before WW2 at least fixed the German economy. The new breed of nazis is incompetent even at that lol. Just a bunch of illiterate chimpanzees.
@@davidsenra2495 populism and fascism aren't synonymous. Treating them as if they are only feeds into the populists hands.
If you included Central/Eastern Europe another explanation is the disdain for communism among most youths and associating it with left-wing in general (at least here in CZ).
Those who have lived under communism, will fight tooth and nail to never see it return.
My distant relatives survived the horrors of communist Poland.
Thats more of an middle aged phenomenon, that middle age (45-60) people here often vote against any left wing because of bad experience with socialism. Actually what are the most popular parties here in Czechia amongst young people? Liberal center-left Pirates totally dominating every student election and any vote of people between 18 and late twenties and in smaller scale Top09 or Mayors. Btw from US point of view, there are no right wing parties in CR, there are just center-left and left, even ODS would be considered in USA as very moderate/centrist. Its kinda funny, because people here talk how we finally need that right wing change and then everyone votes for the parties that promote social security and care the most. I think we Czechs are kinda social democratic-social security type of nation since our existence, even though a lot of people would be angry to be called so.
@@libertyoverbondage what kind of horrors?
@@olegshtolc7245 they say chocolate was bad back then.
@@olegshtolc7245
One relative was jailed for attending a protest in the 1970s.
Everyone lived in a constant state of fear, fear of their neighbors and the regime. You didn't know who was a government spy and who was not.
Communism brings out the worst in humanity.
As a Middle Eastern Muslim, the attitude of many Muslims in Europe was abhorrent to me when I visited Europe, and I was stunned by how lenient Europeans were to the Extremism taking place in their countries. So not only do I agree with many Europeans and European parties about restricting illegal migration because it negatively affected my experience win beautiful Europe, but also because those supposed Muslims are giving a very bad image about Islam and Muslims generally.
I mean, Muslims in European countries tend to be more extreme in their beliefs as a result of the economic insecurity they faced right after the largest number of them immigrated, during the oil crises of the 1970s and the resulting economic downturn. On top of that they dealth with extreme discrimination, even worse during the western interventions in the middle east and ofc 2001. They have always served as scapegoats of failing western policy, and therefore never got a real chance to integrate. That said, can you really blame them? I'm not a fan of extremism either, but being "less lenient" (whatever that means) will only make people feel more excluded from society.
What extremists did you come across?
@@vis8259 Look at the US .. various waves of immigration down through the centuries .. the last in usually the poorest - hispanics currently in this boat .. usually in the US context 3rd or 4th generation show substantial upward mobility .. I am not familiar with Germany .. but if the 3rd or 4th generation is still in the same economic set of circumstances as their grandparents this could be more to do with themselves than the society surrounding them ..
@@dendradwar9464 You describe upward mobility as if it's a natural law that the fourth generation will always do better. Of course, economic mobility has everything to do with economic policy or the economic opportunities certain groups of people are afforded. It's not a given.
Given the fact that Muslim immigrants had the least opportunities during the most economically unstable times relative to other groups of immigrants in Europe, it's no mystery why they're still mostly in lower socioeconomic positions. That's not a reason to be discriminatory, instead it's a reason to make sure they are afforded adequate economic opportunities.
@@vis8259 Black Africans in US are now part of the top 10 income per capita groups in the US .. they did not move to the US with loads of money and neither did they have a warm welcome
Vietnamese Americans identical .. amongst the top income per capita and again no money and no obvious social reason for achieving it
In the UK white working class males are consistently at the bottom of college achievement and also economic progression .. if there was an active policy of "pro white" then why is this the case?
Likewise in the UK there is marked difference between college achievement and onward economic achievement between Black African British who do well and Black Carib British who do not .. if there is a widespread race issue then explain this one away?
I could go on but I'll stop there .. think this makes my point .. sometimes the problem is with the individual / group ..
For me as a German, I had waaaaay to many negativ experience with migrants. It's not so complicated... Europeans should make more babies.
Bingo
The more social media influences where people source their access to news, the more extreme their politics will tend to become.
Even as a centrist with cross cutting views, I can recognize when this happens based on news stories I watch/read.
Forcing people to actively engage with viewpoints they disagree with will not work, as it not only negatively affects the bottom line of Google/FB/Twitter/etc, but also the blood pressure of the individual seeking out those viewpoints.
Yes, yes and yes. But centrism is the default view of the owning class, the Neo liberals like Tatcher and Reagan. The similarities between centrists and far right parties are stifling. Both seem to want to privatize everything, decrease wages (for free market competitiveness), destroy workers unions and aid the wealthiest people with tax breaks. The end result is increasing inequality, crumbling infrastructure and declining public transportation, education and healthcare etc… My conclusion is that centrist parties and far right parties are mostly the same. However, far right parties have a racist edge.
@@user-xg6zz8qs3qin America leftists have taken over every institution we have. They are the establishment
I don't think much would change. I think a Right wing person interacts with all sides more than a left wing person.
@@imacarguy4065 The left, center and the right are the same if both follow Neo liberal dogma (free market, globalization etc…). This is exemplified so well with French politics. Sarkozy, Hollande and Macron may as well be the same person. So yeah, nothing seems to change.
What about melenchon? He is definitely not neoliberal
As many people in the comments have already suggested, the "anti-establishment" notion is strong with many people, who are generally disattisfied with the current state of things.
A brilliant example can be found in the 2016 election in USA, when Bernie Sanders was out of the race, some of his voters moved to Donald Trump. Not because their policies or personalities are much alike. But because both were considered "anti-establishment".
That never happened.
@@celtspeaksgoth7251 Apologies. I should have included my sources in the initial comment. But there is a wikipedia article about this very subject, with plenty of citations, if you are curious. It is called: "Sanders-Trump voters".
I would link it in this reply, but it doesn't appear that RUclips is too fond of links to external domains.
I don't think the whole "anti establishment" thing is the main reason, not in Europe at least. Sure, it will grab some people but it will never win any real election. I would say it's a slice of the cake.
In most European countries, the "far right" economically speaking is a mixture of socialist with some liberal aspects. Unlike in Anglo countries where conservatives or more prominent right wing groups almost hate Gen Z and call them lazy for being poor, it's an attitude that will cost them many elections from now on. European nationalists instead focus on the youth and their problems, whether it is massive illegal immigration or economic policies such as more control over the house market or being tax exempt if you have many children. So instead of being fully economically liberal, they take a few key components of economic socialism and mix them up to give answers to the native defranchised youth.
This is why some Anglos consider the European far right to be more centrist since it's not fully "capitalist".
@@sfp2290 There literally were no sanders-trump voters. This lie has been disproven time and again. Statistically speaking those votes literally did not exist.
It logically doesnt make sense either, why would leftist from communists to social democrats go vote for a literal fascist/nazi?
actually, not entirely true, some Bernie voters either voted Green/Libertarian or didn't vote, Hillary lost because a lot of voters were turned off and so they voted for Trump instead
There’s a HUGE caveat here though: European party systems tend to be more left-wing on the whole than Anglo party systems. This means that the extent to which young Europeans are moving rightward is exaggerated if viewed from a Anglo perspective, especially an American one
Many young people in Sweden have now understood that socialism is the road to ruin for the country...!!
That makes no sense, if Anglo party systems are more right then this wouldn’t look like Europe is turning right wing, it would seem like we are turning from left wing to centrism to them
True but it is still a fact, and native white Europeans will almost certainly continue in that direction as immigrant populations increase. Immigrants and their descendants may become all that's left of the left (exposing the left as the parties of the foreigner that they've been the whole time, ie traitors)
@@dylanmurphy9389 The centre of gravity on the political spectrum in the US and the UK is more right compared to the rest of Europe.
@dylanmurphy9389 these statistics don't take into account the "true" political alignment of the parties. If Labour is considered left and the Tories right, that's what they are going to be registered as, whereas the "left" and "right" parties in Europe still use those terms but their policies and ideologies are more left in the "true" spectrum
Jeez I don't know, could it be that literally the majority feel unsafe walking the streets after 8pm? Or that young people see their parents lose their jobs to immigrants because the company gets money from the state to hire immigrants instead? Or the welfare system that your parents worked their entire life for get abused by non-citizens and someone in your family ends up waiting over a year for help which leads to life-long injuries.. I mean just pick and choose.
Young people in these countries have experienced uncontrollable mass immigration first-hand and they can express their views by voting on different parties rather than just two big ones which you mentioned. There's literally nothing else to it, it's that simple.
I don't understand why you didn't get more upvotes. A lot of people still in denial of reality.
A big reason young Swedes have gone right so the immigration problem. Another is that the young and the immigrant compete for the same work. And like other posters already pointed out, don’t equate political truths from the Anglo world, to the continent. As I write this, 1 in 5 Swedes weren’t born in the country. It would be naive not to expect some pushback.
A noticeable trend here is that the English speaking countries like US, UK, Canada, Autralia & New Zealand are moving left wing cause of their previous inclination to right whereas the exact opposite is hapenning in the rest of the world. Thats the reason why left wing dominated media in English speaking coutries are so confused with election results countries in Finland, Italy, France, India, Isreal etc. moving right-wing
It's media spin and fraudulent polling presenting the UK as moving left. The truth is very much the opposite, I can't assume for the other countries you mention but...
i do not think america is going left. voters may be. but if you look at the rep. they are using q anon rhetoric and recently started expelling representative from state senates. as well as this stochastic terrorism is on the rise in the us. tho the voters are flying left.
left wing dominated media?!? you sound dumb
I agree with you almost entirely but USA don’t have a left wing party they have a right wing party democrats & a far right party republicans
Trump and Boris two sides of the same coin. Hopefully they stay away from politics for good
Like many other people said:
- it's not specifically right wing, it's anti-establishment, which happens to be right wing at the moment in these countries, and keeps bouncing back and forth between the extremes, as can be seen in France with Melenchon/Le Pen (to be fair the video does mention this as a possibility)
- these countries have many parties, so a plurality isn't necessarily meaningful, they make for flashy headlines but often if you add up the vote shares of the more left wing parties they do win out.
- young people are less likely to vote, but the most right wing among them vote more often
- for Southern/Eastern/Central European countries there has been significant emigration of young people over the past decades, and much more so by leftist people, in the example of Hungary anyone who opposes Orban and can afford to leave has left, so naturally those who remain tend to be pretty right wing.
All good points. Voting with your feet is also voting.
Great point. I see this in the Netherlands its so anti-establishment but no real permanent loyalty to right wing ideas. For instance we had two right wing anti-immigration, anti-muslim figures who got a lot of popularity for a short time, now we have a farmer party because thats the new hot issue. Problem is we’ve had a centrist party too long that everyone is really starting to hate
It does seem that the establishment in many places in europe are left wing and the establishment in anglophone countries is somewhat right wing. But also anglophones being so left socially that it makes european nations seem right wing. You would have to be pretty right wing socially in anglophone countries to be considered right wing socially anywhere else. All muslim countries for example look to the west as some sort of looney land.
This is the most plausible answer out of all..
I cant wrap my head on how so many anglos Anglos are confused on how Right wing can mean anti-establishment.
Political spectrum and control are dynamic, a Right wing parties in China would mean anti-establishment, since the establishment are a Left wing party
@@freneticness6927oh god Americans are so left wing socially, don’t even get me started I can go on and on about how the American public has shifted so far away from Republicans and the right in recent years, the shifts are actually insane, especially among younger Americans.
The overwhelming MAJORITY of GenZ and millennials in the United States have labeled Republicans a fascist party.
One thing that wasn't mentioned that i think might play a part is that continental Europe is more left-wing in general. As an example, here in Sweden, "liberal" is considered a right-wing label.
Liberal is a right-wing label
@@Hooman1130a Not at all, the right wing is born with the french monarchists that wanted to preserve the power of the king, liberalism on the other hand wanted to eliminate the old regime and replace it with popular representation. It happens the same with America, the conservatives of the 18th Century-19th Century supported the british empire while the liberals were pro-America cuz of it's liberal constitution and the separation of powers.
both wings are controlled by the same pockets, it doesn’t matter, it’s all polarization
@@Hooman1130a in the USA that's "the left "
This is only a translation problem, here
The political spectrum and the labels used to describe political ideologies can vary between countries, including Europe and the United States. However, there are some general differences in how right-wing ideologies are perceived and defined in Europe compared to the United States. It's important to note that these are generalizations, and individual beliefs and positions can vary significantly within each country.
Economic Policies: In Europe, right-wing parties often support a larger role for the state in the economy and advocate for policies such as social welfare programs, workers' rights, and regulated capitalism. They generally believe in maintaining a strong social safety net and protecting workers' rights. In the United States, right-wing ideologies tend to emphasize free-market capitalism, limited government intervention in the economy, and lower taxes. They often advocate for reducing regulations and supporting business interests.
Social Issues: Right-wing parties in Europe may have varying stances on social issues. Some are more socially conservative, emphasizing traditional values, cultural preservation, and a conservative approach to social change. However, there are also right-wing parties in Europe that are more liberal on social issues, supporting individual freedoms, LGBTQ+ rights, and progressive social policies. In the United States, right-wing ideologies are often associated with social conservatism, emphasizing traditional values, opposition to abortion, support for gun rights, and a more limited approach to social change.
Nationalism and Immigration: Right-wing parties in Europe often place a stronger emphasis on national identity, cultural preservation, and immigration control. They may advocate for stricter immigration policies, cultural assimilation, and national sovereignty. In the United States, right-wing ideologies also exist that emphasize nationalism and immigration control, but the issues surrounding immigration are often framed differently due to the historical context of the country as a nation of immigrants.
Role of Government: Right-wing ideologies in Europe generally accept a more significant role for the state in areas such as healthcare, education, and welfare. They often support a strong welfare state and may be more inclined to prioritize social stability and equality. In the United States, right-wing ideologies tend to emphasize limited government intervention and promote individual freedom, often advocating for smaller government, lower taxes, and reduced social welfare programs.
It's worth noting that the political landscape is complex and constantly evolving, and there are numerous right-wing parties and movements across Europe and the United States with their own unique characteristics and policies. The above points provide a general overview of some of the differences that can be observed when comparing right-wing ideologies in Europe and the United States.
This is a fantastic comment.
@@wrestlar3246Agreed! How does this not have more like?!?
I agree with the idea that Europeans are less about multiculturalism, unlike here in the UK, USA & Australia. They are more about ethno nationalism, anti immigration especially from Arab, African, Asian and Latin American countries. Even if Europe has a lower birth rate and need migrants to help with their economic problems. This is the argument that everyone from all political parties and the mainstream media are saying here in the UK. Illegal migrants have a 80% chance of their asylum application being accepted, that's higher than any European country. Apparently a Conservative politician told the BBC in an interview that the 'migrant crises' will continue for the next FIVE years. 😮
@@tudormiller887 humans have been migrating for our entire history. It is the reason any of us even exist at all.
This is exactly what I thought. Conservatism to alot of people in Europe comes with supported welfare states and progressive social issues while in the US and UK they do not.
In other words it's all relative. What seems conservative in alot of Europe seems liberal to the US and UK. While what's seen as conservative in the US and UK is seen as archaic and hyper-individualist in most of Europe.
I think many young western European experience the problems of immigration way more than older people, or have made bad experiences with them in school. I (swiss) for my part have made mostly horrible experiences with immigrants until I was 16. In our school most of them smoked from an age as early as 11, sold drugs, stole stuff from the school and students, attacked other students, damaged school property and didn't really speak german except they had to in school. So I was extremely against immigration back then and I only started to meet friendly, well integrated immigrants when I went to the Gymnasium (Swiss High School). And I know as a fact that many other young swiss and germans have made similar experiences in school. I think that is an important factor. I for my part think we should integrate them better instead of just kicking them out, but the fact that the left parties of Europe still mostly deny that there even are any big problems with immigration makes me mad and I can understand that people who aren't as interested in politics as I am don't vote for them.
Edit since some of you seek to accuse me of hate speech for some reason: Of course immigrants weren't the only ones who smoked and did the things I named above. I thought since you have a brain I wouldn't have to specify this. But they tend to do it way more often in my experience. Besides, the fact that they did it with 11 is the important part here, and no native swiss I know did this. And I'd need more than the two hands I have to list the immigrants that did.
This is true.
You need to be tolerant towards immigrants, but your comment conveys unjustified hate and pressure on them. There is a huge difference between legal and illegal immigration and legal immigrants kids usually tend to be conservative and they don't do illicit activities such as smoking and drugs, unlike European-born kids, for example in Spain and Italy natives kids like to do such things. Before writing a hate speech, please think twice.
@@Madikon07 How is talking about his own personal interactions and experiences with immigrants and their bad behaviour in his school "unjustified hate"? What you just wrote is a textbook example of leftist/liberal ideology, trying to justify the fact that many immigrants are unable to integrate into western socities and their values, and deliberately closing their eyes from the problem and pretending it doesn't exist.
In many places in Europe, the behaviour and integration issues of the immigrants has also escalated to forming of some full-blown street/school gangs, which have been spreading immense amount of violence in places where this kind of systematic crime has been almost unheard of. This kind of progress has been very visible in bigger cities of Finland for example during the last couple of years, which is one of the big reasons why right-wing parties achieved such a good result in this year's elections. That, among with left-wing parties reckless ways of spending money and paying off loans with new loans, is why I also gave my vote to the right-wing, and I will continue to do so. No one who closes their eyes from one of the biggest current safety risks of my country doesn't deserve my vote.
@@antivaan talking illegal and making analogy with legal ones. wtf.
@@antivaan talking illegal and making analogy with legal ones. wtf.
The fact most people in the UK realistically see only 2 voting options play a huge role in this. I find that young people in the UK barely agree with 50% of a partys policies and ideals, with the remaining 50% being unfulfilled by Labour or the Conservatives. This makes it seem like people support a party way more than they actually do
Exactly, it is ridiculous and ineffective, I wish we had more of a European system
I really hate the UK’s ‘first past the post’ voting system. It doesn’t ever reflect what people want.
That's also because of the first past the post system. If I dislike party A, I'm going to vote not for the party I like, but for the party that has the highest chances of preventing party A from electing their MP. There's more tactical voting in the UK than in the rest of Europe as a result
@@Zomerset thats true, and its completely deliberate
Nobody agrees with everything a party says. Even if your country has 50 political parties. Having a lot of parties just complicates consensus and reduces the people's interest in politics.
You have to look at differences in geography, as well as social issues affecting the specific country. In the Netherlands, for example, government policies were affecting the livelihoods of farmers. One of the parties on the right were campaigning against those policies and voters acted accordingly. Young people are also struggling to find work and a place to live, due to large-scale immigration.
Large scale immigration is not the root of the problem, nor its biggest driver. The housing problem is caused by the privatisation of the housing sector and strenghtened by restrictive policy during the economic crisis in 2008 causing a massive reduction of the construction sector, combined with the nitrogen crisis. All those policies (or lack thereof) have happened during right wing government.
@@mart9585 Yeah, it's not solely due to large scale immigration. I should have added that it's one of a number of factors. Thanks for the correction.
@@mart9585Yeah bringing in 300K people a year is not the issue😂😂
He acts like young people getting morals and thus moving politically right is a bad thing!!!
Conservatism is a mental illness
I think the biggest mistake made when examining this topic is thinking solely in terms of "left" and "right" .
the political left and the political right are not monolithic. And voters might agree with things on both sides. Someone can have left-wing views on the economy and right-wing views on immigration for example. But for many left-wing political parties, talking about immigration is seen as a racist taboo, reducing the options of voters in regards to their votes when immigration is a topic that matters to them.
Exactly. I am not in the 'young' age group, but all my life I have been torn in tne voting booth between my marxist anti-religion anti-capitalistic anti-anarchy views and my conservative anti-ecologist anti-multiculturalism anti-woke feelings (ecologism and wokism being self-righteous people willing to impose their beliefs on others, aka religion. Multiculturalism is confusing freedom of thought/belief with freedom of social behaviour).
Now the left has turned capitalistic and pro-islam, it has little to offer.
No, talking about immigration is not racist taboo for left wing parties.
They're pro immigration, why wouldn't they talk about it? Europe is facing a population crisis and needs to increase the working population, only way to do that is with immigration. Leftist talk about immigration all the time.
What is racist is to ban asylum seekers (which is literally a crime against humanity) which every far right anti immigration party advocates for, look for example on the "stop the boats" tory debacle.
What is racist is the constant dehumanisation of immigrants/refugees. Calling them invaders, gang-rapers, uncivilized, etc.
Agreed, in Slovakia we have a party Direction - Social Democracy, who are far-right on social issues: marihuana, LGBTI, immigration, and they support Putin 🤮
I do feel like this is a big issue in western countries where people get far too defensive of their political party and feel pressured into agreeing with whatever their chosen politician says
@@iam.damian wut?
As a young european there were mainly two reasons the right seemed attractive to me: The absurdly high level of immigration in my area (I was the only native in my class and got bullied because of it) and the tendency of the left parties of regurgitating the absolutely wildest social theories coming from across the pond
wait, what? Where are you from if you were the only native in class?
What country are you from? Sweden?
@@AmirSatt zurich region switzerland. Tbf it's not like that throughout the whole country. But still, over a quarter of the population are immigrants and they tend to bunch up in poor areas and create isolated "subcultures". From what I've heard it's way worse in parts of France, Germany and Sweden though.
@@ermin2248 almost ;) switzerland
@@amos9274 ..so you are raciste.. well i am not surprised ...if you dont Want immigrants stop talking about human right and stuff then ..and get out from thèse immigrants countries.. simples
I suspect a major part is there are less bubbles for young people. In school, you are forced to interact with every part of society, unlike working people. In 2016 left leaning girls on my school started changing secondary schools because they were tired of getting molested by refugees, while it is highly unlikely you have the same issue at work.
Being forced to interact with people is proven to make you more left wing.
Most refugee children are not like that, it’s wrong to generalize based on a few. If it was a white person molesting them, would they say all white people are bad and they should move school.
As a Dane I've noticed the same happening in Denmark too, although in a far, far more subtle way than in Sweden. Sweden tends to be the extremist of the Scandinavian countries. But I've seen it none the less and I have a hypothesis as to why this may be, given I've also been politically active and have been out on the streets with political messages and talking to voters of all age groups. What I've noticed is that a lot of young people desire the welfare state, as they are fully aware that they're screwed without it (their entire education is paid by it, and their entire adult life and pension depends on it continuing to function), however, the current welfare states in Europe are seeped in bureaucracy, leading to millions of taxes being spent on administration, instead of helping those who need it. So what I believe is happening, is a temporary shift to more conservative policies, before leaning left wing again, in an effort to essentially reset the welfare system by tearing down the bureaucracy and replacing it with more automated systems (as those are cheaper to run and provide results faster), while simultaneously weeding out the parties that keep pushing for the status quo. However, they also want less taxes on businesses and consumer goods and knows that welfare for the people is perfectly possible with less taxes. It just requires less administration to run.
TLDR: I believe young Europeans and Scandinavians want to reboot the welfare systems by weeding out parties that keep the status quo and by removing the majority of administrative bureaucracy, as well as simultaneously removing unnecessary taxes that mostly just pays for said bureaucracy, as well as making it easier to start up and run a business, essentially making them keep more money, while retaining a system that actually takes care of those who can't get through on their own.
In the UK supporting the welfare state has never been seen as left-wing per se. Most conservatives are pro free healthcare and pro welfare state. They always have been. The liberals were in favour of it - it was there idea (but liberals have since run out of ideas so they are dead in the water). The conservatives were in favour of it because big business had previously had to pay for the health of their employees and now the burden was shifted to taxpayers and because upper middle class doctors saw it as a massive expansion in the market for their services with a guaranteed income. Curiously it was the Labour Party that was against it - largely because they were focused on the idea that nationalisation would liberate huge profits for the working class to pay for their own healthcare (which didn't come to pass).
@@PGHEngineer Gotta be honest, that's some seriously curious history. I'm not saying it's wrong, just that its curious, cause in Denmark, the complete opposite happened. Our welfare system started in 1933 after the primary right wing party made a deal with the only left wing party. For over 20 years, the two right wing parties were consistently harassing, bullying and discouraging the only left wing party and its members at the time. It got so bad they even attempted to outlaw them, although that was stopped by the courts, as their attempt was a direct violation of our constitution that ensured the standard democratic freedoms, including political freedom.
Essentially they were forced to accept the left wing party (which later split into several parties, with the primary 3 still being (somewhat) present today, but that's another story) as a legitimate party, but that didn't stop them from harassing and bullying and lots of other stuff. They had the church on their side too, which also told the working class that being a member of a workers union was a sin and akin to worshipping the devil. Which of course means that to this day, the red worker unions (we got a couple false, yellow ones too) still aren't particularly fond of the church and neither are most of the left wing voters. You'll also find most left wing voters being either atheist or followers of another religion than Christianity.
Anyways, the hetz continued and for several years before gaining power in 1929, the primary left wing party of Denmark, known as "Socialdemokratiet" or just the *Social Democrats* (their symbol is a red rose), the voters were told, over and over again, that they wouldn't respect the constitution or the individuals freedom and if they ever got power, Denmark would stop being a free, democratic country and instead become a communist, one party dictatorship, with no individual freedom left. Cue 2023 and the rest of Scandinavia calls us the Wild West of Scandinavia.
To understand why they were so focused on destroying the Social Democrats, it's important to mention that the Social Democrats had, in their very early days, been in direct contact with Karl Marx and the Russian Revolters led by Lenin. That doesn't excuse the insanity of course, but it does provide a reason. The two primary right wing parties of Denmark are "Venstre" or simply *Left*, who traditionally draws the majority of their voters from farmers and then there's of course the Conservatives, who don't need further introduction, as their voting base is pretty universal.
The agreement of January 30th, 1933, known as "Kanslergadeforliget" laid the foundation to the current welfare state of Denmark. _Venstre_ got some points and _Socialdemokratiet_ got some points and in the following decades, it was gradually expanded.
Today, the biggest grudge of _Venstre_ and the Conservatives, along with the rest of the right wing, is all the taxation on both private individuals and businesses. I agree that there are some taxes that seem rather excessive, but I don't support their current idea of "paid welfare" which essentially translates to citizens having to pay for welfare services in order to save tax paying money, which should instead be spent on minimizing the state and maximizing massive corporations tax exemptions like classic Imperialism portraits (and which the US is a shining example of why that is a bad idea). The thing is just, like countless other Danes before me have pointed out, that user paid welfare isn't welfare. It's paying for services that benefits you.
It would be like paying for a Netflix tax reduction and calling it welfare. It isn't. It's increased service costs and if Netflix was the only streaming provider in the country, you'd essentially be forced to pay more for others getting rich, while you lost money. That isn't even liberalistic. It's Imperialistic, hence the staunch opposition.
A bit of a long comment, I know, but its generally a mess over here. But I do believe you when you say it happened differently in the UK. That explains why Lord David Willetts didn't get into hot waters among the Conservatives for stating that the UK needed to invest more into its younger citizens future. Had a Danish conservative done the same, their entire career would be over.
A bit of context: In Sweden, 20.5% of the vote went to the Sweden Democrats (SD) so the fact that 22% of people aged 18-21 voted for SD implies they are only marginally more popular among this group. Among 22-30 year olds, only 16% voted SD.
You can't ignore the stigma associated with SD. Voting for them essentially brands you as a Nazi to leftists, so for 20% to vote for them is huge. They'd probably get even more votes if they hadn't shifted their tax policy to the left and thus disenfranchised a lot of people who agree with their social viewpoints but favour lower taxes.
22% compared to 16% is a large difference especially considering if this trend continues as more young people start voting
in the swedish school elections, SD and other conservetive parties wiped the floor with the socialdemocrats. they're pretty big among younger people in sweden
Fast skolvalet visar ju att tonåringar är mer benägna att rösta höger än någon annan grupp.
That is not a good trend .. historically young people have voted more left gradually switching to the right .. if they start out right what happens then? ..
I think it's definitely anti-establishment sentiment, which is why left-populist parties seem to be on the rise as well. The inequality of the current system breeds radicalism on both wings of the political spectrum
Such polarization also gets 'support' from the way the social media on the internet performs: algorithms steering you to messages that you seem to want to hear and thereby often away from the truth.
"""I think it's definitely anti-establishment sentiment"""" MOTHER FUCKER IM KICK YOUR ASS !!! NO its because i dont know you are trying to take my rights away to a point i can not even go to the hosptail without going in to bankruptcy , have a mental break down might as well end it a 40,000 hosptail bill awaits at the end mahahahaha give a depressed person that.........
@@Apollorion Add on top of the radicalisation effect of the algorithms, wherein it consistently will you show more and more extreme versions of any form of content. It's a major factor in political radicalisation in the last decade and even more so in recent years. It doesn't matter what topic, left, right, political or completely apolitical, they always push it to a more extreme version. From Neo-Nazis to Extreme Baking.
Ultimately the younger generations are the ones using social media the most and as such the primary recipients of the effects of the algorithms.
One thing you seem to have missed to notice, is that there are more options on the left/centre than on the right. Take your 26% right-wing polling among young fins. There's 40% voting greens/socialists/left with the rest voting center/liberal. You can't just go with "the most popular party" and make assumptions like that.
I'd say one important reason would be this: in mainland Europe, not only is the political offer more pluralistic, but more importantly so is the government. We tend to have coalition governments, and in coalition governments the most insane right wing ideas tend not to be translated into policy. Thus, for someone who has some justified worry about immigration, for example, they can vote according to that main concern while being safe in the knowledge that it won't also mean voting for e.g. restriction of rights of abortion, or heavens knows what other right wing craziness, because simply put the right wing party won't be able to put pressure for their entire agenda even if other things are there, but generally will insist on their top issue. Furthermore, right-wing parties in the EU tend to not be as radical as their British and American counterparts.
"tend to not be as radical". My dude, the Brothers of Italy were literally openly fascist 5 minutes ago. Fascism would mean the dissolution of the democratic system in Italy. It doesn't get more radical.
@@Mackerdaymia I didn't say they're not radical, just less radical than the Salvini crowd, or those tiny even worse party. It's merely a comparative assessment, not an absolute one.
Yea they are not as radical, just more openly fascistic and nationalist.
@@costinhalaicu2746 I think since there's a two party system to appease the most amount of voters a party would have to be less radical.
PiS, the Polish conservative party revoked abortion rights and made countless campaigns against LGBT people.
Personally, I think "left" and "right" can be very misleading and mislabelled. They don't really represent what the people think.
@@LT-qt5nm because its an entirely too simplistic way look at things, wich Is made twice as apparent when Comparing the anglosphere to Europe.
Parties that are considered center right in the US Would be called far right Neo Nazis in the EU, So Of COURSE the right Wing Is on the rise in Europe and not in the UK, Because Right Wing parties here could pass for left leaning outside.
@LT saying some parties are for "progress" is pretty stupid. Progress is extremely subjective. It's like saying "I'm for good things". 😐 Yeah. We all support progress and good things.
@LT tradition vs progress???? And what about the other countless metrics that people often associate with left and right? This isn't america where both parties are the exact same apart from matters like race and gender politics.
@LT at the moment in Europe I think the main way you can divide parties are. Social benefits Vs. Lower taxes, anti-immigration Vs. Pro-migration and anti establishment vs. Pro establishment.
That's pretty much the main issues of every election in Europe right now and has been so for the last 20+ years. Maybe it will change in the future. Who knows.
@LT people who view politics as only a binary left/right are a lot like terfs. Politics, like gender, can be more than a binary.
I'm from ITALY. Here, as in several European countries, left-wings parties are facing a deep crisis. I can tell you about the general mindset about those topics:
Poverty. I don't think people here blame the poors for their situation tbh. In most of cases Italians blame SOCIETY, and here it comes the 2nd point:
Establishment/society. That's basically the main reason why people vote right-wing (anti- establishment) parties in Italy. Young generation is more educated yet poorer and with less opportunities than the older one. There was a time when you could literally work in a bank with an high-school diploma (!!!) now you need to "fight" in order to get such job even if you have 2 Master's degrees! It's clear to us that something isn't working at this point.
Immigration. I think anti-immigration feelings are a consequence of pessimism and economic stagnation. We faced the the highest immigration in the mid-2000s yet people weren't "noticing it" like they do nowadays! I'm not saying immigration isn't a problem but those feelings got worse after 2008 economic crisis.
So, who are the ones who still vote for pro- establishment left wing parties?
1. People who have strong political opinions and are left wing no matter what, so they will ALWAYS vote left wing no matter what.
2. People that are just fine with the current situation. They usually come form wealthy families and don't have to face middle-class and lower-class struggles. They aren't interested into changing the status-quo.
Thanks for reading this long comment 😅
You had many right-wing parties in power starting with Berlusconi in the last 30 years. And anyway Italian governments are always big coalitions so you always have right-wing ideas. The reality is no right-wing government has been to alleviate the deep economic problems of Italy. The only thing right-wing governments are good st is to manufacture blame and outrage. And there are a lot of rather stupid young people all to ready to accept that fake premise.
Just look at Meloni. What a failure. She hasn't stopped the boats. She hasn't created jobs. She hasn't grown the economy. She's just a social media clown celebrity.
Blaming inmigrants sounds familiar. Is history repeating itself? I don’t think italy is in need for right wing ideas. Italy is at the queue of social rights and is one of the most homophobic countries in western europe. The last thing italians need is a president who perpetuates hatred speech towards minorities. In spain is happening the same, people are falling for demagogic discourses. Its absurd
Add groups of people salaried by the public, and pensioners (both elderly and social pensioners), who will always vote left.
Im from Spain and you just described the situation perfectly.
I think you are omitting some key information, which is that Italy suffers from a long history of corruption and outside influence (US) investing money into fascist sentiment and attacking left wing anti-establishment organisations and politics.
During the pre-WWII era, anti-establishment organisations and parties across Europe were almost exclusively progressive, economically and socially, until they were hi-jacked by far personalities and narratives when capitalists began to fear the growing anti-establishment worker sentiment. If you look at all the far right movements of the 20th Century, they were deeply rooted in the interests of the big business and capistalist interests of their country, along with the military and judiciary branches of government. They were not anti-establishment. They only coopted the aesthetic of it to appeal to voters of the anti-establishment progressive movements.
After the war, fear of socialism and progressive anti-establishment was still extremely high, and if anything, with communism at the door, it was at its highest. Any political movement, student movement or party that was both progressive and anti-establishment either faced mass disinformation campaigns and fear mongering over the red scare, or was quite literally brutalised by the establishment out of existence.
The only "left" that was permitted to exist in Europe after the fall of the soviet union is the establishment left, which isn't really all that progressive economically. Depending on the country, it's really just centrist status-quo "ism" with liberal social politics, and the sometimes borrowed aesthetic of anti-capitalist or reformism which they never truly act upon or enforce.
The main issue is that we are in desperate need of anti-establishment movements and reform in Europe, but the only parties which have the aesthetic of anti-establishment are far right parties. Of course, the problem here is that if you really look at the platform of those far right parties, who their prime investors are and what their policies are, they aren't anti-establishment at all. It's just the status quo, reinforcing capitalist interest, attacking unions (which isn't very anti-establishment), loosening laws that regulate corporations, tax cuts that benefit the wealthy, all coated is a very thick layer of social conservatism and regressivism. It's the establishment, just as corrupt and subservient to corporate interests, but with the circus and theatrics of "refrom", which is only ever expressed as social conservatism.
Currently, there are no anti-establishment parties or movements in Europe with a significant voter base. It is all just establishment parties that no takes seriously anymore (depending on the country), or far right parties which pretend to be anti-establishment, but aren't meaningfully that different from the other esblishment right wing parties, and even work just like them when in office, except with a worse brand of social conservatism. The Greens are pretty much a joke, baring a few countries where they are promising, but are so anti-establishment no one wants to work with them, as they threaten corporate interests. Corrupting from the private sector is huge in Europe, and the rise of the far right is just a product of that.
Europe is truly in a state of collapse, and I understand that the far right phenomenon is that there are no real mainstream movements for change or hope. The interesting thing is that the far right isn't even that big proportional to a country's population. Considering only 60% of the population of most European countries are even voting on average, these parties barely represent 10% of the actual population, and of those voters, most of them don't even realise the brand of social conservatism they are voting for, and that they are voting along side proud fascists and neo nazis.
When you look at demographic studies on single issue views, European populations are predominantly socially and economically progressive. The issue, I think, is that most people in Europe have lost interest in politics because there is simply no party or movement that actually reflects their views. I think of those 40% not voting, many are anti-establishment progressives who refuse to engage with political systems which do not represent them, who they see as completely corrupted by corporations, and aren't duped by the far right "populist" circus. I think there's also a portion of anti-establishment progressives voting for pretty much any party that is opposing the party with the most socially and economically conservative views.
It's truly quite sad that we live in democracies that fail to represent the views of their population. However, I wouldn't blame that on democracy as a system, but on the nature of capitalism. Capitalist interests are in direct conflict with the interests of workers and labour, and corporations yield great amounts of wealth which they can use to skew government policy in their favor, over the interests of the nation and the population.
Growth isn't infinite. Climate change looms. AI and automated production poises to revolutionise labour. Economic collapse threaten quasi-monopolies which have oversaturated their markets. Housing bubbles are reaching capacity. Insurances and starting to pull out or revise policy due to increasing climate disasters. We are reaping the consequences of unregulated capitalism and corruption, and the average citizen is being crushed under the weight of it. In theory, we could have reform. But I don't think it'll happen. We're going to see economic and societal collapses, climate refugee concentration camps, civil wars, famines and serious conflict before we see the end of consumerism. And these things don't even threaten to change corporate corruption.
The current system is unsustainable, but even in Europe where rationality used to somewhat reign, we're now more concerned with who gets to use which toilet, or what skin tone is responsible for what issue, rather than true reform. US millionaires and billionaires have exported (and inspired others with) their brand of media theatrics and culture war nonsense to Europe and the rest of the world. And we're consuming it like nice little children, while the world around us collapses under the weight of their gluttony.
Italy, France and Sweden. You literally named 3 countries hit hardest by 2015 muslim immigration. I wonder if there is some correlation. Also, young people are not "moving left", they are conditioned to "become left" by media and education system.
This TLDR is, although not bad, not really hitting the nail on its head. If you want to know more about this, you should simply read the comments under this video. Those are the reasons at heart.
This also happens in Poland. As of recently, Confederation (Further right than PIS) gains more and more vote share now scoring around 9%-13% making it 3rd most popular party. Most voters are young males and young females to some extent (less but still). They are also popular amongst elderly people who live in poorer, smaller places (this rather comes from the fact that PIS easily scores 70% there and thus those regions are already very conservative.
Same in Austria, the disgusting FPÖ is already on #1 with 28%, the 2nd Party SPÖ (Social Democrats) with 25%. I really hope FPÖ will loose some percent till next year when there is elections!
Now Confederation is getting good scores because PO has shifted towards the left, their platform is becoming more like the one of PiS (or of SLD) in terms of welfare - so people who don't like that don't really have any other choice but Confederation. They choose Confederation as "least evil" from their perspective.
Young women voting for PIS makes me cringe since PIS is against abortion and against their interests. Well perhaphs his has to do with bad education of the polish young people. Well educated young people generaly vote for left-wing parties.
@@mokomoko-el6li Abortion is not in "the interests of women". And the whole "if you don't agree with me you are probably stupid" attitude is why the left is driving people away
@@mokomoko-el6li It's cringe to assume all women are pro-abortion, since a lot of them are against it on moral grounds.
When you live a life of "Luxury", and in a "democracy that is perfect"
You end up seeing the flaws in everything a "perfect" system has to offer, and you want something new.
Democracy is not perfect
Great job, been thinking this for a long time
The reason can be sentence in one word : Immigration
Ethnic replacement. That is all.
@@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva Europeans must start a race war to exist
Speak for yourself. In Portugal we have far greater issues with classism.
Wage stagnation across several sectors for decades, youth unemployment consistently above national average, very low starting wages for young, much qualified professionals, a rising (parasitic) "landlord" class that's transferring the onus of their own loans to those who cannot contract directly with the banks, and so on.
Even so, major national companies in oil and retail actually managed to fare through the pandemic and now with rampant inflation. Still reporting earnings, paying their shareholders and higher-management some sweet bonuses. This goes hand in hand with a corrupt, power thirsty political class, which is much more concerned about securing elections, than actually devising strategic planning for the country. The amount of taxes mid and lower classes have to burden are an absolute pillage to national savings! And then we have to sit and listen to Mme Christine Lagarde saying it's not quite the time to lower interest rates, when the BCE and other regulators should've hit the brakes much much sooner than they have.
The issue is not with the huge amount of Brazilians and immigrants that have come to Portugal in recent years, to work on construction, cleaning, hospitality, driving Ubers and whatnot. The problem is the rich are getting richer and, be it left or right, there's no sense of social responsibility whatsoever!
@@renatopinto3186 I'm gonna be real with you man, no one is going to read those paragraphs.
@@renatopinto3186
You wrote so much text, I only read the conclusion. Portugal is not an immigration country, so your only problems are socio economic. When you can't go outside without fear being attacked, none of that matter.
When your country is turned-in favela tier you have no room for class war. And this is exactly why the ruling class and the bourgeoisie want to flood Europe with immigration. They know that more than anyone else.
So keep your fake socialist propaganda for yourself. If you're pro immigration you're pro bourgeoisie
In Sweden, a lot of people got tired of the reckless immigration policies during the 2016-2017 immigration crisis. The 2018 election saw a huge increase in voters for the Sweden Democrat party. That number has gotten even larger since due to after effects of said immigration. The immigrants could at first not find anywhere to live, so they'd live in sports halls filled to the brink. Homeless people are higher than ever. The poorer areas of cities like Malmö are poorer than in a long time with a larger socioeconomic and cultural divide as they consists mostly of immigrants that are unable to get a job or where few family members need to work to sustain their entire families that immigrated to Sweden. These poor conditions also lead a higher proportion of people to crime than in the rest of Sweden so these poorer areas has more violence, theft, and drug related crime. People throughout Sweden get worried over this and want to focus on integration rather than immigration. That is what the Sweden Democrats propose, with sentiments such as "we will give aid there where they come from, not here in Sweden". I'm not a Sweden Democrat but I've seen the movement increase in popularity the last 10 years
@@Essentially_Nobody you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink
@@Essentially_Nobody Many factors to this, but a big factor is actually that a lot of immigrants don't care about getting jobs because they get money from the government anyway, or they gave up quick. There are those who lived in Sweden for a decade and haven't learned a single phrase of the language yet. Another factor is that they are all competing for the low paying jobs that don't need an education because most of them don't have one, or their education doesn't match our standards.
This is a very simplistic and reductive line of reasoning. It reads like a SD pamphlet to me. Much more likely that people are drawn to simple pablum which purports to be a solution to a host of completely unrelated issues. It’s about finding scapegoats. It’s not 40 years of various types of dismantling of the welfare and educational system, it’s too many Muslims, gays, socialists, environmentalists, journalists, etc etc. It’s the same fear mongering as always, just a different variety. We clearly have issues regarding integration and societal participation, but they have much more to do with bigoted treatment of people who are different, than they do with those people themselves.
Islam and western liberalism don't go together.
The reason im anti-immigration is because i value things like womens rights, gay rights, freedom of speech, science, and separation of church and state.
I would be considered left wing in any other time period.
But if i as a liberal seek to oppose the medieval, anti-liberal ideas of Islam, im bad and evil because the people who believe in this ideology have brownish skin.
Fucking retarded.
This is the reason young people are voting "far right"
Its because they are socially liberal and want to keep their countries socially liberal (ie, non islamic)
Its not about opposing immigration, its about opposing Islamic immigration and islamic ideology.
@@Essentially_Nobody From what I understand there really aren't that many jobs in Sweden which don't require any education - the jobs that these people would ideally go towards off the bat. A lot of those jobs have been automated away.
It would’ve been nice if Canada was included in the Anglo nations. Very curious to know. As a young Canadian 28 years old I’m more right than left and I always have been. But I do wish we had more parties to vote for, we do have 5 big parties and a bunch of very small fringe parties but I still think we need more choice here.
Trudeau is the problem to be solved )
Give it a year and you will be even more rightwinged
well.. Canada would probably move to the right considering Canadians are sounding more and more like Trump when it comes to immigration. The difference is trumpist are against illegal immigration Canadians want lower legal immigration.
No according to polls most Canadian young people are more left wing
I’m a young British person and tbh I think people here are shifting right as well ngl.
Good news then.
@@Alejojojo6 pretty much. I’m not hardcore right, but anything is better than the woke left
@@ivanexell-uz4mvyour clearly on online to much if your using the word ‘woke’, most young people in UK are more left wing and Labour are expected to win
Because Sweden went way to left with it's immigration politics and it fired back for them
As a swede, yes
I'd say they stayed too center on it. They let them all in and did nothing. A proper left response would've been proper education and integration, not putting them all in one place and letting them run rampant
@@Dnpe-yi4pd and leave thousands of people to die
@@redbepis4600 you really think they didn t try that
@@gaiagbaBut they didn't though - that's why we're critiquing it from a left wing perspective.
My Theory is that countries such as the UK and the US have historically placed greater importance on Free Market Capitalism, where the younger populations there don't feel they are seeing the benefits coming to them, but rather going to a concentrated group of people instead. In much of mainland Europe, there has historically been greater emphasis on Social Security and distribution, but again here, young people may see the benefits going to other groups of people instead of themselves. So maybe Left Wing vs Right Wing is irrelevant. We should perhaps re-think the whole system from top to bottom...
I couldn’t agree more. I hope people will soon understand that capitalism does nothing for the 99% and therefore it’s not a sustainable system for the betterment of all people.
right-wing parties in continental Europe don't want to abolish the social security system, that everybody has got used to over decades, they just want to restrict it to their own citizens and exclude immigrants, or stop immigration at all. Those parties in Europe are not especially pro neoliberal Free Market Capitalism. Being conservative there means, leaving every thing like it is, or used to be until 30 years ago. Giorgia Meloni or Marie Le-Pen or Jobbik in Hungary are in their economic believe far more to the left, than anything similar in the US or UK. They would not have any problem with nationalizing some prestigious key industries, to keep employment up.
Indeed, the society needs to be first destroyed by Reagan-like figure with his conservative right-wing economic policy. After this painful experience, young people will become more sensible and vote in the future for left-wing parties that represent their interests.
While I agree the current form of capitalism is not at all helping the majority of people that are working in it, this form of capitalism is not 'true' free market. The market is highly regulated, has tons of cartels and monopolies and the biggest corporations are influencing and changing the government policies for their own benefit. It is a combination of big government, big finance and big tech that has a stranglehold on the entire market, by controlling financing, media and law (to some extent).
Youth unemployment in much or Europe is horrifically bad, and then when they can get a job it's so badly paid that they cannot buy a house and bring up a family. In some countries the left wing thinks that the answer is more and more workers rights and protection, and then what happens is the companies don't want to employ anyone new. They either don't recruit at all, or get the resources that they need through agencies which then pay people poorly compared with the older, longer term, "proper" employees. In southern Europe there are then the "job for life" government jobs that everyone wants, but, because everyone wants these jobs it will take a decade of studying to get one. Maybe the youth are waking up that the current neolibereal, soft left politics isn't working for them.
As a Croatian I'm Pan European. I love European and it's unique cultures. Everyone has the right to maintain their own culture. Multiculturalism is useful only for capitalists.
A homogenous culture means order. Multi-cultures means many different values which result in tension and disorder.
As a young conservative who does not live in europe, I would say the rise in left wing ideas amongst young people already happened in europe 1 or 2 generations ago. The reason younger people are going against this is because it hasnt worked, they dont like the mass immigration and dont think the socially left wing ideas have worked out. In the anglo-sphere this large rise in left wing ideas among young people is happening now but i think either by the time the 2nd half of gen z (younger teens) grows up or the next generation the young will not be so consistently left wing and they might be mire right wing. Im already seeing a shift among young teens as they become more conservative.
The more representative political systems in Europe are definitely not the primary cause, otherwise we'd expect to see similar effects in New Zealand and to a lesser degree, Australia, both of which have more representative systems but follow the anglosphere trend of young people veering sharply left.
Idk about the rest of the world but here in the US the young are squeezed dry. We can’t buy houses, private healthcare is too expensive, we get saddled with massive debt if we try to go to university. The right wing party is a staunch pro capitalism and “free market” party that thinks billionaires can run the world better than any government. Meanwhile the youth feel like capitalism is failing us daily, so of course we don’t want to vote for the right wing.
I feel very young! ✊
Idk about Australia, but in NZ theres too many people afraid of voting for the minority parties because they don't want to "waste their vote" if the minority party doesn't get 5%. If all those people would actually put their fears aside and vote for that minority party, it definitely would get the minimum...
There's a difference between having 3-4 parties (with 2 of them getting the vast majority of the votes), and these systems with often 6+ parties where at least 4 of them are getting a significant vote share and the plurality is always shifting.
If in the US the denocrats beat the republicans 65-35 that would be called a "leftist wave" and a "landslide", if a very right-wing European party wins a plurality with 25% of the vote while 4 center/very left-wing parties get a combined 55% (the remaining 20% would go to center-right parties) it's suddenly seen very differently. It doesn't make sense logically, but the media and talking heads have to sell engaging headlines...
@@gulliverdeboer5836 I'd call that election rigging to be perfectly honest
To preface this viewpoint comes from a Western European country: I think a big part that is missed here is that right wing European parties are often in favor of social benefits unlike their anglo counterparts so the difference between left and right wing isn't more or less spending but more immigration, at least in Western Europe. For example if my country had health services as bad as the NHS or if it did have the insane insurance rates of America I would vote left wing every time without question but the right wing parties here also support maintaining good social healthcare so that consideration isn't really there to that extent. No right wing parties here seriously consider banning abortion either here. This also partly explains why Europeans view poverty as a choice (at least more then Americans) since you can always get help if you just ask for it So yes being poor is on some level more your own fault here then in America, for example since everyone can get education if you don't get an education the fault lies more with yourself then the goverment. The immigration part spoken in the video is true however. Naming all these factors you can see how Europeans are more likely to vote right wing then Americans and even their parents.
It's just a cheap (well expensive, and immoral) way to buy votes. I would say it has more to do with immigration then anything. A terrible experience with immigrants with yourself or someone you love is basically permanent which is why in general immigration consistently gets less popular every year. Young people have to go to school with these immigrant's children and often times it can be unpleasant as these 2 worlds collide.
Ok, but how to explain the fact that left-wing parties are less popular than the right-wing ones? Living in Europe for almost 3 decades now, left-wing parties have always emphasized social benefits more than the right-wing parties. So what makes them less popular despite the fact they argue for social benefits as opposed to the right-wing parties?
@@maxr.k.pravus9518 exactly. It's a cover up attempt for the overwhelming opposition to this population replacement and yes it is population replacement. You can watch it in just your own lifetime as your grow older, seeing them grow in number more and more. Like I said kids experience the replacement in school more then anyone.
@@maxr.k.pravus9518 Again western european standpoint but the system has no need of radical change unlike the UK or US, and while left wing parties do indeed advocate more there are other issues like afformentioned immigration that people find more important, it's kinda a luxury thing, there is a general consensus about healthcare even if left wing parties care more it isn't like right wing don't, atleast in my country. So when left wing parties lose their main point of healthcare and social justice to a because it already has been satisfied to a sufficient degree why would it be weird if more people voted right wing if the right wing doesn't infringe on both? Very generalised but this is roughly the crux in my eyes.
Yes, and the immigration issue is a double whammy, high immigration levels like in Sweden cause severe degradation of all social systems, lack of homes for young people, massive waiting times for healthcare etc. Right leaning parties argue that restrictive immigration would enable the countries to restore their social systems.
Reasons:
Immigration + People lean right when the future looks bleak financially
Extreme migration made me vote right. Young people are exposed to its effects more often than older people. And I barly care about other topics of the right but the scale of migration leaves no other choice to me.
People are tired of the status quo, far left or right offer change, it's important that people feel politicians represent their views - good or bad
And considering that overall Europe have been more centrist than many anglophone countries, it is maybe not odd that there is a push more towards the extremes on both sides. While in USA we have a Liberal Conservative party (Republicans) and a Liberal party (Democrats) you would see more a shift toward socialism that goes against both. (Using the terms in a European sense. So any American who object to my classification, just note that we use here in Europe a more nuanced nomenclature than you do in the USA.)
@@Cythil people never believe me when I say that the US effectively just has 2 right-wing parties, one being further right than the other with no real left-wing party coming even close to the two outside of someone like Bernie Sanders
I mean, I do not find this too surprising that immigration is actually seen as a huge problem, considering the fact that europe did get hit hard in 2015 and that a lot of nations did not do enough to stop the flood of illegal immigrants. I mean, of course people are going to take measures to try and stop that from continuing/happening again.
It's not just illegal migrants that bother them. Not all Europeans want to live in multiculturalism in a country built by their ancestors.
When a new population tends to replace the old one too quickly (and it's already more than "tends" in many European cities), the original population that sees its culture and its traditions endangered logically sees the newcomers as invaders. Especially when the newcomers are as incompatible with our European, western cultures as Muslim fundamentalists.
The EU has its relation with Turkey instead, and a growing string of partner nations outside the EU border.
Everyone will try hard to stop a flood of immigration except what's going on now in the US apparently. The equivalent of the population of Lithuania or more has come in in the past year.
@@gtv6chuck It's never entirely closed because deep down you want cheap labour.
European left and right are far more diverse than the American and Canadian ones, for Americans and Canadians progressivism means left wing while conservatism mean right wing.It's not that simple here.We have tens of different variants of economic and social right/left.
There are so many more reasons, like a a general lack of knowledge in many fields, like history, global economics etc.
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Something similar is also happening in Asia tbh.
Japanese PM Fumio Kishida and SK President Yoon Suk-Yeol is pretty right-wing for Asian standards. In my current country of Indonesia, the center-left coalition of President Jokowi will be unable to continue due to term restrictions. The alternatives so far are right-wing conservatives namely a retired general and a controversial Islamic academic.
I spoke with some friends of mine and they basically said the right-wing turn in Asia is because of a backlash to Western Globalism. They feel like their culture is dying. Interestingly, many also believe the left-wing mindset of the Americans that the Western companies exploits them. So you could say, the most left-wing of Asians is right-wing in the US. A polar opposite of in Europe.
As someone who is taught in Western schools with Western-Eastern friends, living in an Asian country. it seems like the world is not as globalized as what we may think. Feel free to reply respectfully in the comments.
If you talk about Asian countries. let's talk about the Philippines, we have the right political party controlling both congresses even the Presidency.
@@swedemartyrsonswade According to Wikipedia, Marcos and Duterte is center-left to left-wing. What do you think about it? Is Wikipedia wrong?
@@juanpisente7464 Left-wing and Right-wing definitions vary by each country.
For example, restrictions on the LGBT community in 95% of Asia (minus Taiwan and Thailand) are seen as the norm, in fact anyone who tries to support the LGBT community are usually branded as the ‘enemy of the people’.
In Western world, it’s the opposite…. if you dare to say any words that hurts the feeling of LGBT community, you are branded as extreme far-right Fascist.
@@faldovifendi6878 thats a very good point I think. It supported the idea that the most left-wing of Asians is still right-wing in the West.
@@juanpisente7464 Yes.
Economically Social Democrats (center-left), but socially far-right (by today’s US and EU standard).
Seems like a cultural divide between Europeans and Anglos. Could be a factor that the multi-party system of European countries allows right-wing parties to have more diverse coalitions rather than Anglo-conservative parties which usually caters to groups like people in rural areas, pensioners, religious people, etc.
Anglo-countries are also just more favourable towards immigration and different cultures. The existence of their states aren't based upon ethnic identity. Also, it would be misleading to characterise both the Sweden Democrats and German FDP as 'right-wing'. SD are socially conservative and interventionist on economics. FDP are socially liberal and more laissez-faire on economics.
We anglos are European.
Agreed, SD is just the only political party against mass immigration and so they're smeared as far right when their politics are a lot more left leaning than most right wing parties.
That's likely true
@@blazer9547 if you are British or Irish then yes you are European, if you come from north America or Australasia then you are European decended.
@@nodspruductionss3812 a lot of Americans have mixed ancestry, but yeah
Hmm. The reason why young Europeans are voting more conservative is because they have more conservative beliefs. Well, duh. That doesn't really explain much. Like saying that summer is hot because the temperature is higher. WHY do young central Europeans have more conservative opinions than their parents, or then American young people?
I love that the automatic captions transcript Meloni as Maloney, like some old corrupt cop from a 70s b-side movie
I think that the only reason not everybody's voting for more right-wing parties is because they usually are anti-EU. If you create a right-wing political party (limiting/stopping non-EU immigration) while being very pro-EU (as in, we need more European cooperation and less dependence on other non-EU countries), you could easily win the elections in almost every European country. Because that's how many people feel. I travel a lot around the EU, and it doesn't matter whether I'm in Portugal, Sweden, Greece, or Germany, the general sentiment I get from people around the EU is that :
- they feel European but also their national identities, and they don't want to lose their national identities to the European one.
- they value the EU, but it needs to be reformed. It needs to be able to react quicker to crises, and it needs to abolish unanimity if we ever want to be a true superpower (see, for example, the results of the Conference on the Future of Europe)
- more and more people are seeing the effects of mass-immigration in their daily lives, whether they're in the city or in a small town, and they want it to stop. When all the statistics clearly show that crimes, violence, and riots are closely linked to immigration from non-EU countries, they want that type of immigration to stop immediately.
- most people believe that the EU can be a true superpower if we truly work together
Perfectly said
In theory until someone has to bring up Greater Hungary. I always trust the different nationalist parties in the EU parliament to throw eachother under the bus when convenient.
@@SusCalvin Thats exactly where these parties excel, hope it doesn´t lead to a very sad dissolution of the EU.
I can say from my own experience that as a young right wing person I liked the EU the way it was. But it's undergoing terrible changes. European commision's goals of cutting CO2 emissions by 55% by 2030 are going to make us all poor and uncompetetive.
Banning combustion engine cars is shooting ourselves in foot.
And everything else, new climate taxes and regulations are going to make everything expensive.
I liked EU for a shared market and some basic norms for EU products, Schengen sphere and the end of European conflicts.
But I don't like it becoming some sort of federation, moreover with such stupid policies.
But it's not the main reason people are shifting to the right.
Personally I was always center-right wing but I think the main reason for others was witnessing cancel culture and other weird things like that.
At least in Sweden I think this shift might be partly explained by the fact that the younger crowd is the first to grow up with the full effects of the neo-liberal experiments of the 90's and 2000's. And who can blame them.
I find it embarrassing that our left didn't connect the dots between our rise in crime, lackluster education and economic inequality to the broken welfare system of today. They should've fixed it, but instead they managed to make things even worse...
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that's largely why young people in English speaking countries are swinging left. neo-liberalism largely started in those countries as the right's response to classical liberalism. which boomers latched onto when they could vote because the promise was basically "everything good your parents had but without paying for it" so young people (in the US especially) are trying to undo the neo-liberal damage... on top of just not attacking immigrants and gay people for no reason
@@andrewemerson1613 But your countries are far worse off than ours demographically - London alone is now *less than 25% white.* Birmingham and Manchester are heading the same way, and currently are less than 50% white too. That's highly alarming if you want any European nation to survive. That will also be a _huge_ burden on those who need social services the most, let alone the other effects of this "diversity" including housing crises/shortages across Europe, the many attacks on Europeans (as the last 10 or so years have shown us) and so on. It's unsustainable and you're heading in the same direction, just 1000x worse.
@@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva why do you feel that Euro nations can't survive without a high white population? Your argument just sounds like a way to exact bias.
Migrating from Portugal to Iceland, it's immigration. From Poland to France is immigration. Spending your pension days as a German in Greece, is immigration. Crossing the borders of middle east to Europe, it's not immigration. It is time travelling 600 years to the future. And furthermore, what you carry with you to offer to this new destination it's middle age conservatism. Something that European youth it's natural to oppose.
Europe isn’t North America or Australia. It used to be homogeneous like Asia. Do you think they are stoked to see the migrants coming in?
I would bet on immigration, wealth distribution unfairness -> low quality of life ( housing ect. )
Not to mention the encroaching insane 68 genders dogma
Not really contrary to what you think Europeans generally have higher quality of life then americans
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle That's actually generally false, most places in Europe are poorer than the U.S.
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle Europeans do have a higher quality of life than Americans but their quality of life is decreasing due to the spread of predatory American capitalism and wealth inequality.
This trend to the right will begin to decrease whenever they realize that their quality of life has continued to decrease despite their governmens imposing stronger anti immigration policies.
There is also a racial component to this European trend to the right. It's also much more common in white males compared to white females.
@@alm9322 you are confusing quality of life with wealth metrics. In Western Europe life quality is generally better than in the USA, even though raw wealth numbers are lower.
It's important to note there's a huge difference between the right and far right, as is the difference between the left and far left.
this. people seem to forget that in this increasingly polarized world.
yep, far right and far left have things in common (authoritarian for one)
@@just_another32 It seems you're the one in a thousand that actually understands this. Scary world, isn't it?
@@just_another32 far left doesnt have to necessarily be authoritarian in theory. but to achieve their utopia which goes against the nature of most people it in practice is needed at least until the utopia is reached (which would never happen)
I wish far left would get the same amount of criticism
Most statistics show that young Europeans are further center-right or left than far-right.
While watching this consider than the most far-left politician in the United States would be probably considered a center-right moderate in most of Europe.
I know it's not the case in the US or UK but here in Australia we have a ranked preference voting system so we can vote for who we really want first and then put who we prefer out of big/likely parties 2nd or 3rd so we don't waste our vote but are also able to show where our true ideas lie
Doesn't seem to offer stability
@@celtspeaksgoth7251 You don't understand. The system is an intermediate between majoritarian and list-proportional. It usually excludes minor or extreme parties like the majoritarian, but favor more central or moderate parties, what in proportional'systems are called government parties. As such, they bring more cooperation, hence stability.
Ranked choice has been enacted here in Alaska, and it ensures the perosn who wins is neither the best or most qualified person. They were just the last option because the most capable were eliminated quickly to keep them out of power.
I bet it's partially because younger progressives Europeans are migrating from East to West and South to North. Leaving behind the more younger conservative Europeans behind.
If only we had your system in the UK there would be better representation of the public’s opinions in parliament, we wouldn’t have this quick unstable shift to left right party left party right party. Unfortunately it’s unlikely to happen because for that to happen the conservatives would have to change the voting system, which they won’t do cause it’ll make them loose seats in parliament. Honestly our democracy’s a bit of a joke, we still have a monarchy and don’t vote in our PM.
Also the massive influence of American media on anglophone countries. Stuff like BLM, MeToo, etc get a ton more airplay and mind share in countries that share a common language than in places where it has to be translated into a local context. So leftist opinion leaders in the US/UK have a much more international audience leading to homogenization of political opinion among younger people who pick it up from their peers and want to fit in, whereas in Europe people seem to be more focused on local and regional issues instead.
Yes and to be honest it won't surprise me that USA does that on purpose and everybody is so easily manipulated. Disney does that on purpose knowing that more people will vote right winged for that and then the rich are happy because you voted what they wanted you to vote for :D
At least in germany, this stuff is very omni-present. One newspaper there, Bild, has a story, basically everyday, about some "woke-wahnsinn", meaning woke-insanity that supposedly is happening in germany.
American culture wars, media, and so on are very well known in germany. Young people often engage in progressive activism too. For exmaple, there were massive protests for blm and the discourse around wokism is actually in the media very often.
Politicians talk about it too (all the time actually) and people like Tucker Carlson are somewhat known (and hated) by quite a lot of young people.
@@queenofphilosophy1525 France does as well
Another thing that doesn't get mentioned is that the differences between the USA and, to a lesser extent, the UK on one side, and continental Europe on the other side, is that American thinking has been greatly greatly influenced by John Locke, whereas continental Europe political philosophy borrows a lot from Jean-Jacques Rousseau.
I'm not going to hold a lecture on political philosophy; if nothing else, it's not my area of expertise. But the focus on the responsibility of the individual (Locke) versus the responsibility of society (Rousseau) is what makes the USA and Europe so different. The UK don't easily fit in either camp, although Liz Truss did her best to move firmly into Locke territory.
In "the land of the free", nobody is there to protect your freedom. You have to earn it yourself. As a result, it's the responsibility of the individual to defend himself and his family: you don't depend on public transport, you have a gun to protect yourself and your possessions, you don't depend on the state for medial care, etc.
In Europe, we expect the state to guarantee our freedoms. If you're a middle-aged man and you like to walk around in a tutu (trust me: I used to live in Amsterdam, and I've witnessed this) the state is there to ensure that you can do so in peace.
This is a very interesting, surprising and sound analysis!
I’m not surprised about the USA or UK. Those 2 nations growing increasingly left wing was always inevitable.
Especially when you look at the rapidly changing racial/ethnic, culture and religious breakdown of American GenZ, it just makes sense why they favor the American far left so overwhelmingly.
In Chicago, we just elected are most left wing mayor in the entire city’s HISTORY in 2021. Democrat progressive and Socialista defeated moderate establishment democrats by 2% points which was a MASSIVE victory for Democratic Socialists in the nations 3rd largest city. Especially since democratic socialists were considered the underdogs in the race, they have all right to be optimistic about democratic socialism in the USA. This will also be the 2nd time in a row where Chicago votes in an African American mayor over a white American as well despite white Americans making up 33% of the city population and Black Americans making up 29.1% of Chicagos population. Non-white Hispanics make up 29.9% of Chicagos population but the overwhelming majority did not vote in 2021. And ofc Asian Americans make up 10% of Chicagos population, and like African Americans, Asian Americans in Chicago voted for Socialist Democrats.
It’s all about immigration really, when your older you don’t have to interact with immigrants regularly, young people see them when they walk around, at school, compete with them for jobs, they are far more likely to see the cultural differences than the older generation
Then explain why people who live in ethnictly diverse areas, are often more pro immigration. Even the "white" ones
@DropkicktheDecepticon It's not like a bit of flag-waving and useless blokes in parliament talking genuine culture helps me with my rent.
@@cornballs1750 Perhaps because anti-immigration people tend to move to less diverse areas?
@@GCarty80 Damn you were ahead of me. Yeh.. I mean the ethnic diverse areas are children of immigrants. Why would they be anti-immigration? I grew up in a multi-ethnic area as a native. I am not pro-immigration.
@@cornballs1750 ppl tht dont like immigration move away and literal mini cities of immigrants are put in place. from what I have seen not even immigrants themselves a lot of the time like to mix adapt and assimilate into the culture of the country because its completly different from theirs, because of tht communities of immigrants are built completly sealed off from the native culture of the country and at the end of the day everyone is pissed. immigration is a very hard thing to do and ppl tend to look at it as smthing tht just doesnt work because of racism or poverty and from what we see, tht is clearly not true its much more complex then tht.
I think that many “right-wing” parties in Europe have pretty economically left-wing policies, which may prove to be another reason.
In my country young people vote more on what you would classifiy as the "neoliberal" party because the salaries are one of the worst but the cost of housing is one of the highest. And the social system is shit. "Free healthcare" only exists if you have a constipation, if you have a worse disease you can die waiting and have to pay anyways.
Yeah, this is just something that they are afraid to admit. That the biggest demand of native dying young population in europe right now is basically national-socialism. In western europe you will probably be jailed just for saying it out loud.
Yeah, when I hear "right wing parties in Europe" I do tend to think they're more into "Brown people GTFO" rather than free market circle-jerk.
I mean they seem far more centrist to me then right wing or even left wing.
Nationalism and socialism; a winning combination.
Well said young people's are left but then get shifted to rights including me its because left just shows itself so progressive environmentalist socialist but does nothing where as right wing have always been hard working good opposition leads to good growth
Children have to correct the mistakes made by their parents.
In Germany Greens and the FDP are actually not that far away from each other. The FDP is not only market liberal, but also liberal on social issues. The Greens aren’t just an environment party, but social democrats with green policies. Both agree on things like LGBT rights. The main thing they disagree on some social programs and/or subsidies, but in general are closer thsn you might think
Yes!
Seh ich ganz genauso.
Die Parteien ergänzen sich.
Bitte öfter in Koalitionen für sozialliberale politik und eine ökologischen Umbau ohne verlust privater Freiheiten.
Honestly, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you. While most of the things you pointed out are indeed the case, there are great differences in climate policies (which were seen recently because of the FDP's blockade of the Verbrennerverbot), as well as antagonistic taxation plans during their campaigns.
The FDP is a party for the rich people (economically right), while the greens aren't a super social party (definitely less than the SPD), but still economically left wing
@@_jpg Yeah politicians dont have to tell engineers what to do they have to secure climate neutrality.
I think a good compromise was made.combustion engine stays but has to be climate neutral.
Disappointing. LGBT is the most destructive force in western civilization, yet young people seem totally brainwashed by their agenda.
As a European, I think there are a few resons for this. Central Europe is close to both Africa and the Middle East, the two areas that cause by far the most immigrants, and you can feel that in most bigger cities. Britian and Australia are islands far away from all this, and South America and Mexcio just dont have that level of Immigrants, so obviously young European will be more inclined to vote for parties that focus on doing something about these issues. Another thing to conisder is, we actually have a choice. Pretty hard to vote for a more right leaning party if you only have two parties in your country that are pretty much the same except for minor differences. And one more thing here in Central Europe is, pretty much every Country here has a green party, and pretty much all of them either suck or are at least extremely divisive. That is a big warning sign for any young person thinking about voting anything left.
Oh, now listen to me very very carefully because there has been an extensive Belgian study exploring this phenomenon and we have some insights as to why this happens: it seems the general population's "Bullshit Tolerance Index" has hit its limit, thus triggering this phenomenon of rising conservatism. They've become statistically significant defenders against excessive nonsense!
Something that could be interesting is to look at how those votes correlates to both age and social standing.
Young voters are much more likely than older voters to not vote at all. If this tendency, which is likely, is also influenced by social standing (wealth, employment, …) and wealthier voters tend to vote right then it seems likely that young leftwing voters would simply not vote, which would make it seem as if younger voters are overall more rightwing.
One way to have an idea would be first to check if your numbers account for abstentionnists or not. I understood they did not.
More like the opposite, people who are almost poor but not poor enough for the sistem to care tend to be more right wing and anti taxes
Yeah this makes way more sense, the only young people who vote right here in Italy are all coming from small businesses that are well established or other well endowed families, most others do actively vote left wing or just don't vote but partecipate in left wing movements. Including Italy with FdI in the thumbnail was very silly, they're a party of small businesses not young people
@@propletrelooxretlitre5705 this is anecdotical. I just checked an interview of a french leading electoral academic specialist i on that subject. According to her studies, younger voters are basically voting identically to older voters. The age criteria has pretty much disappeared in France and young voters vote according to other socioeconomic criteria. Basically, young students are significantly more in favor of government parties and more centrist. People with little or not higher education are more in favor of extremist parties.
This is typically the kind of reason you need to double check anecdotical evidences like that. Saying that higher income correlates to more left leaning tendencies can be a simplistic explanation if the most statistically significant link is between political tendencies and diploma (or for instance place of living), which itself partially correlates to income.
Sometimes, I think the producers let their own hubris get the best of them. It's better to look at this from an individual country perspective rather than trying to base certain circumstances as the new norm.
Certainly. There's a tendency from Anglosphere to throw the entire continent into one bag or at best devide it to nordic, west, east. But that misses the neuance of why people vote the way they do. The economic stability of the country , their integration and desire for integration into EU, how much they allowed imigration to take over their country and how well the imigrants integrated ect.
It's just impossible to even point to a trend of "right is taking over" when some of the countries don't really have a viable left option (for the sake of the argument let's just ignore how americans anihliated any meaning these words used to have)
@@troo_6656 Exactly. Not only are there 44 different countries but they are also vastly different with their own unique problems and operate on entirely different systems not only from the anglosphere but also from each other. Trying to squeeze Europe into their (in my opinion extreme) perspectives of right and left then being surprised by the outcome not matching up with their expectations is almost laughable.
It's like trying to solve a math problem with the wrong formula then being shocked you got it wrong.
It’s simply a divergence from the establishment, where right parties have dominated the younger generation are turning left and where left wing parties dominated they are turning right.
Spot on. This isn't about ideology. What's happening here in Europe is people getting fed up with the political system as a whole. For many, a shift in voting preferences is a logical first step.
Strong Right-wing social media is also another reason why there’s this Gen Z right shift. Every time I get on yt, it gives me really conservative content as recommendations rather than leftist. That’s mostly because conservative content is controversial and hence has more views.
The question is how can we grade all these wings together? Describe a continental European right wing party to Americans and they’d call it left wing. I think the American criteria for left and right has entered into the Anglosphere which is why that age group consider themselves left. Hop across the channel and put the same opinion and you’d find someone calling themselves right
Yeah I've always thought that England is full of right wing people who think they're left wing because they're slightly more liberal on social issues than the conservative party.
A lot of Americans would be considered left wing loonies in a few policies
Many young people in Sweden have now understood that socialism is the road to ruin for the country...!!
In their countries countext which doesn’t help considering most European countries are actually fairly left wing
National socialists are far left to those yanks
In France, the phenomenon is also on leftwing rethorics, such as Melenchon. I wouldn't say that young people in France are shifting right or left, they are getting more radical
A better way to measure this phenomenon is by looking at shared values instead of parties. For example, the conservative right in america opposes abortion rights (overturned Roe v Wade), yet the far right in some european countries do not (forum for democracy in the Netherlands). In this example Europes ''far right' echo the same values as americas 'left wing' democrats.
This becomes more complicated as most European countries have a parliamentary democracy, not a majoritarian republic. Europes youth can vote for parties that cater to their specific needs at a specific time, while American youth are trapped between two binaries which offer them a very shitty packaged deal. For example, if you are a young democrat and are not in favour of immigration, you have no realistic option other then to vote for republicans, but you have to swallow their anti abortion stance aswell.
I guess that between these two, most young Americans choose to vote for 'the lesser evil', however, this does not mean that the parties they vote for align 100% with their values. This is why I think that American youth would reflect the same voting paterns as European youth do if they had a different political system that would reflect their values more accuratly.
As a Slovak I want to correct, that LSNS is conservatively-left similar to Smer(another conservatively-left party), slovakia is yet to have right wing focused government, right now we are going to have similar uni-left wing government as England has with conservative-left and progressive-left parties.
It's simple: 500K new immigrants per year is too much
It's too little. We need at least 400 million new immigrants per year
By who's social or even economical metrics? More people = more workers? And America is built off of immigrants, be them brown, white, black.
@@ryleynadhir4685 For more murder and grape? F that
@@warcrimeconnoisseur5238 Murder and rape is what most of European culture revolves around. Immigrants are 99.999% of the reason the inferior europeoids raping and murdering is no longer socially acceptable
And somehow that's still not enough workers. Employers just want cheap labour
This was something I saw predicted back in 2015 or so-the countries with the most right wing young people are also the ones with the highest refugee influxes: Germany, Sweden, Italy. I’d be more surprised if the youth didn’t start voting right wing nationalist after that mess
Why tho? What's so wrong with immigrants?
@@lexxihd5843 Look up "fornedringsran"
@@lexxihd5843immigrants from the middle east generally don't become culturally integrated, a concerningly big minority of them support cultural laws that are very extreme for European standards, and depending on where you are immigrants may benefit disproportionately from social programs for the poor. And they simultaneously are more likely to commit crimes
@@NoName-xc6cg All poor people commit more crimes and all immigrants have trouble fitting in.
@@lexxihd5843 15 days ago a Syrian immigrant stabbed several children in a park.
In several European countries +50% of the children being born are not native.
Countries and cities that were always safe are turning into huge ghettos.