Remember those jokes everyone was making about Avatar (2009)? About how it made a ton of money but had no cultural impact? Literally the only thing I remember about Frozen 2 on a regular basis is that the elemental spirits seemed random and inconsistent.
"Olaf is a Christ figure" gave me fucking flashbacks to my AP Lit in high school where 75% of the class was Christian in some form and no matter what book we were reading, inevitably someone's essay would be how a character was a Christ figure 😂
27:07 As someone who is an AVID lover of film score, the only leitmotif I could remember within Frozen 2 was that 4-note siren call. And the fact that it wasn’t integrated into the rest of the score *at all* just baffles me. I feel your pain here, my friend😢 And yes, all glory be to Sideways, the true King of the Leitmotifs🙌
Your main thesis here is absolutely correct as someone who has listened to the soundtrack a million times I literally could not hum a single theme from it, while I absolutely could from the first film's soundtrack! Right before you started talking about the siren call, I was literally thinking "you know, it's weird that I don't think they ever use the siren call in the soundtrack! why didn't they use the siren call??" and then lo and behold! that section of the video began and you answered my question xD Ah, right, I got sidetracked--I wanted to say that your main thesis is absolutely correct, but the thing I wanted to comment on was your tangent about who the voice is. I've always thought it was strange and lame that the voice was Elsa's mother, it always felt off and Bad. It wasn't until this video that you finally verbalized for me *why* it felt so off. It should have been her own voice!! Thank you for that, it helped me figure out why that moment in the film landed so wrong for me.
As a soundtrack enjoyer with apparently similar tastes, I am sat and ready to listen (also an enjoyer of the same pet groomer lmao) I recommend the soundtrack for andor, 1917, into the spider verse and across the spider verse, The soundtracks for season 9 and season 5 of Doctor who, chicken run, Gravity, Mad Max Fury road, gladiator, Stardust, Moonrise Kingdom, The Green Knight, The Boy and the Heron, and the very bad last airbender movie has an excellent score. I look forward to perusing your playlist 👍👍
to add to your last point: you are not a large corporation. criticisms of disney and their safe approach to art probably dont apply to you! you arent making art to appeal to every single person on the planet, or at least i hope you arent: youre doing it for you. if your art has your heart in it, you should be proud. it doesnt matter if it might align with something seen as generic or boring. if YOU made it with love and care, that love will shine through to those that matter
Insert black and white melted Garfield footage here (It was actually a lot less painful than I expected! In my experience, RUclips tends not to catch these things when you keep them under nine seconds, at a low volume, and/or underscore them with commentary. The only part that gave me real trouble was the game section, since the music needed to be center stage.)
I know this was only posted around an hour ago but the quality of writing, editing and production in this video is absolutely top-notch and it inspires me. My wife and I rewatched both F1 and F2 back to back recently and the difference in storytelling quality and musical cohesion stuck out like a sore thumb instantly, I'm glad it's not just us who felt that way
It kinda disappoints me when media I like has such a meh ost. Orchestra music is so good when done right, but unfortunately it’s used so generically when a sound cue needs to be met, and usually lacks any leitmotif that would bring some spice to it.
Honestly when you were talking about how some people find film score to be just background noise, I immediately thought of how to train your dragon and its immaculate score. That movies score had love and time put into it and you can FEEL it
haven't gotten to the Frozen 2 part yet and I'm so nervous lol. while I acknowledge it's a very messy and rushed movie with no clear plots or themes, Elsa has always been a character very dear to my heart and so I loved her story and songs in the second one purely because I got to see more of her. I'm sure your criticisms will be fair and accurate tho ❤️ edit: OH GOOD it's about the SCORE not the musical songs LMAO
This is so funny for a personal reason: I used Frozen 2's score for a snow themed DND campaign two years ago because it was so unobtrusive that no one would know (and made a mental note that the shepherd's call was never used.) AND STILL. That questionnaire I only got ONE SONG RIGHT. Also ALSO. I have to know if you enjoy or at least have heard of the big orchestral metal band Nightwish.
This video is a creative mood all around. Wonderful video. Always happy to see you upload. For music reccomendations specifically because of that horton hears a who song: you should check out the Lisa: The Painful soundtrack.
I remember the first and, so far, only time I watched Frozen II way back in college and since I was deep in a classic rock phase my first thought was “wow, I didn’t think a Frozen sequel would end on similar emotional beat as The Who’s Tommy.” Now whenever I hear someone bring up Frozen II I just think about Tommy and the image of a shirtless Roger Daltrey scaling a mountain. Also great to find a fellow “Horton Hears A Who” score enjoyer. We are truly a small branch on the vast beautiful tree of autism 😌
This movie pisses me off for so many reasons. Here's just one of many of those reasons: It starts with Anna and Elsa's mother singing this wonderful song about the magical river holding the answers about the past - this is the beginning of the movie, the introduction song, telling us something about the world that we should know about. Magical river, cool, got it! The song is repeated a bit later - Elsa is singing it to Anna when they're adults, to comfort her. Okay, so this confirms that they still remember the song, and it's still relevant in their lives, cool, now it almost feels like a set up. And then, they get to the forest, and they're trying to figure out why the water/snow in the forest created the visions of the past. Well, logically, Anna and Elsa should have linked it to their mother's song, right? But no. They have no idea who the girl in the vision is (also seriously? They recognize their father, but not their mother, the person who looks exactly like them?), and then Olaf tells them the pseudoscientific explanation of how all water has memory, something he came up with five minutes ago, and they believe him, and they keep repeating the "water has memory" thing for the rest of the movie as if it was a big plot point, instead of what was set up at the beginning. The filmmakers decided that the siren's voice was going to be the mother, and they didn't even bother to keep her within the narrative! Absolutely baffling!
These videos are above and beyond quality can you give us a rough estimate on when you will make another vid just curious when I will see another new video from you?
Aw, thanks so much! :D I wish I could give you an estimate! I'm currently juggling an I Like To Read comic and a video ad gig, so that probably won't leave much time for RUclips for a while! RUclips is just too unstable an income source to make it more of a priority right now (my last two videos haven't broken $250 in Adsense yet-whoopsies). I try to keep people somewhat updated on my Twitter (@squad_videos)!
i never liked that every frame a painting bit with the people on the street cuz at that point none of the marvel themes had ever been repeated in multiple movies, while the classic themes everyone recognized were all from major series that had had multiple movies with the same theme music. Like sure we all know the star wars theme and harry potter that weve heard thousands of times in a dozen movies, but i bet none of those people could sing the ET theme even though its great. And post Endgame i bet a lot more people could tell you the Avengers theme. So i guess the thing that might have made this score work better and feel more memorable would be work mostly with motifs created in the first movie (and if he was allowed to use the siren call smh).
30:26 NEW TOM!! NEW TOM!!! Excellent video also, really dug into the topic in a way that felt thorough and fair, gave me a lot of appreciation for movie soundtracks when I figured they were always sorta “supposed” to feel like filler and I was weird for remembering any bits on my own! Fantastic work!
@@The_Sin_Squad Of course! Whether there be TOM in the script, there will be TOM in the comments, taking in all the thought spirals and earnest feelings. (And for whatever it's worth, I really appreciated that ending message - helped inspire me to get to work on my own projects without too much self-discouragement. Thank you!)
I'm glad you asked! That's definitely next on my roster (even though it came in third place on the poll; I'm sorry friends who wanted a Cat Returns video first!). The real question is when I'll get the time to pursue another video project 🤞
man I hate the argument that "oh well music is just sound waves how can we judge them" because it's borderline incel "love is just a chemical reaction" ideology. not only does it devalue any efforts of artists (and probably could be attributed to a gross functionalism/facist root), it's just so dumb. it's like "oh all food tasting good is, it's just chemical reactions in our mouth" like alright then eat this moldy bread. it's just pompous weirdos who can't admit that there is a level of objective quality in every analysis and art, sure if you dilute every possible thing and analyze it from a cold robotic lens, it's just "a picture" or it's just "sound" but that's for dumb people who can't fathom giving credit where credit is due and criticism where criticism is needed. this is written in the wake of an awful discussion with my older brother about how I can't have an opinion on saltburn because I tapped out halfway and heard a synopsis on the rest. god forbid I did not eat the entire moldy sandwich and then get back to you on the fact it was bad.
Not me having to stop dead what I’m doing to be sure this musical thesis video brought up GWTD and Spicy Mayo. 😂 I definitely understand why some on the team thought having the siren call in the score “might conflict” with the sound of the call diagetically in the story, but I’m pretty sure someone as skilled as Beck would have found a way to make it subtle but memorable at the same time. To not even give him the chance is why non-musical people need to sit on their hands and let the musical ones cook. Excellent video! ❤
Remember those jokes everyone was making about Avatar (2009)? About how it made a ton of money but had no cultural impact? Literally the only thing I remember about Frozen 2 on a regular basis is that the elemental spirits seemed random and inconsistent.
"Olaf is a Christ figure" gave me fucking flashbacks to my AP Lit in high school where 75% of the class was Christian in some form and no matter what book we were reading, inevitably someone's essay would be how a character was a Christ figure 😂
Yeahhhh How to Train Your Dragon has a really fantastic soundtrack
"I know what we have to do"
"Fuck up the movie"
"Oh"
"Oh"
😅
BABE WAKE UP SIN SQUAD UPLOADED!!!
me as soon as i saw this
27:07 As someone who is an AVID lover of film score, the only leitmotif I could remember within Frozen 2 was that 4-note siren call. And the fact that it wasn’t integrated into the rest of the score *at all* just baffles me.
I feel your pain here, my friend😢
And yes, all glory be to Sideways, the true King of the Leitmotifs🙌
Your main thesis here is absolutely correct as someone who has listened to the soundtrack a million times I literally could not hum a single theme from it, while I absolutely could from the first film's soundtrack! Right before you started talking about the siren call, I was literally thinking "you know, it's weird that I don't think they ever use the siren call in the soundtrack! why didn't they use the siren call??" and then lo and behold! that section of the video began and you answered my question xD
Ah, right, I got sidetracked--I wanted to say that your main thesis is absolutely correct, but the thing I wanted to comment on was your tangent about who the voice is. I've always thought it was strange and lame that the voice was Elsa's mother, it always felt off and Bad. It wasn't until this video that you finally verbalized for me *why* it felt so off. It should have been her own voice!! Thank you for that, it helped me figure out why that moment in the film landed so wrong for me.
As a soundtrack enjoyer with apparently similar tastes, I am sat and ready to listen (also an enjoyer of the same pet groomer lmao)
I recommend the soundtrack for andor, 1917, into the spider verse and across the spider verse, The soundtracks for season 9 and season 5 of Doctor who, chicken run, Gravity, Mad Max Fury road, gladiator, Stardust, Moonrise Kingdom, The Green Knight, The Boy and the Heron, and the very bad last airbender movie has an excellent score. I look forward to perusing your playlist 👍👍
to add to your last point: you are not a large corporation. criticisms of disney and their safe approach to art probably dont apply to you! you arent making art to appeal to every single person on the planet, or at least i hope you arent: youre doing it for you. if your art has your heart in it, you should be proud. it doesnt matter if it might align with something seen as generic or boring. if YOU made it with love and care, that love will shine through to those that matter
Fantastic as always and in particular my thanks for giving me yet another reason to love Nimona. I
8:49 Discombobulate, my beloved!
Lost in the Woods is the beta version of I’m Just Ken
well, this video must have gone through copyright hell.
Insert black and white melted Garfield footage here
(It was actually a lot less painful than I expected! In my experience, RUclips tends not to catch these things when you keep them under nine seconds, at a low volume, and/or underscore them with commentary. The only part that gave me real trouble was the game section, since the music needed to be center stage.)
Sin Squad channeling their inner Sideways
I genuinely thought this was Sideways when I saw the thumbnail
I know this was only posted around an hour ago but the quality of writing, editing and production in this video is absolutely top-notch and it inspires me. My wife and I rewatched both F1 and F2 back to back recently and the difference in storytelling quality and musical cohesion stuck out like a sore thumb instantly, I'm glad it's not just us who felt that way
I'm adding this comment to my "happy folder" to look at the next time I'm feeling low. Thank you so much ;w; !
Brooo. Great video. Also i miss sideways so much 😢 i have re-watchd all hos stuff so manny times. I just want my boy back!
Beautiful video, we NEED your ao3 :)))
YOU'LL NEVER CATCH ME ALIVE
@@The_Sin_Squad O cruel fates ✊️ must I find my next omegaverse read on my lonesome...
It kinda disappoints me when media I like has such a meh ost. Orchestra music is so good when done right, but unfortunately it’s used so generically when a sound cue needs to be met, and usually lacks any leitmotif that would bring some spice to it.
Iirc the every frame a painting video
Actually caused some marvel musicians to re evaluate their scorring
THEY'RE BACK LETS GOOOOOO
38:40 Bunny!
She's my video assistant (and bestie)
2:37 I'm laughing so hard. Yes. Yes that's the feeling!! That's the feeling of a good fucking Vusshhhhu!!
YOU! YOU GET IT!
Honestly when you were talking about how some people find film score to be just background noise, I immediately thought of how to train your dragon and its immaculate score. That movies score had love and time put into it and you can FEEL it
haven't gotten to the Frozen 2 part yet and I'm so nervous lol. while I acknowledge it's a very messy and rushed movie with no clear plots or themes, Elsa has always been a character very dear to my heart and so I loved her story and songs in the second one purely because I got to see more of her. I'm sure your criticisms will be fair and accurate tho ❤️
edit: OH GOOD it's about the SCORE not the musical songs LMAO
SIN SQUAD UPLOADED HELL YEAH!!!!
This is so funny for a personal reason: I used Frozen 2's score for a snow themed DND campaign two years ago because it was so unobtrusive that no one would know (and made a mental note that the shepherd's call was never used.) AND STILL. That questionnaire I only got ONE SONG RIGHT. Also ALSO. I have to know if you enjoy or at least have heard of the big orchestral metal band Nightwish.
This video is a creative mood all around. Wonderful video. Always happy to see you upload.
For music reccomendations specifically because of that horton hears a who song: you should check out the Lisa: The Painful soundtrack.
I remember the first and, so far, only time I watched Frozen II way back in college and since I was deep in a classic rock phase my first thought was “wow, I didn’t think a Frozen sequel would end on similar emotional beat as The Who’s Tommy.” Now whenever I hear someone bring up Frozen II I just think about Tommy and the image of a shirtless Roger Daltrey scaling a mountain.
Also great to find a fellow “Horton Hears A Who” score enjoyer. We are truly a small branch on the vast beautiful tree of autism 😌
This video made such good points I had to pause working and dramatically snap my fingers in delight 10/10
This movie pisses me off for so many reasons. Here's just one of many of those reasons: It starts with Anna and Elsa's mother singing this wonderful song about the magical river holding the answers about the past - this is the beginning of the movie, the introduction song, telling us something about the world that we should know about. Magical river, cool, got it! The song is repeated a bit later - Elsa is singing it to Anna when they're adults, to comfort her. Okay, so this confirms that they still remember the song, and it's still relevant in their lives, cool, now it almost feels like a set up. And then, they get to the forest, and they're trying to figure out why the water/snow in the forest created the visions of the past. Well, logically, Anna and Elsa should have linked it to their mother's song, right? But no. They have no idea who the girl in the vision is (also seriously? They recognize their father, but not their mother, the person who looks exactly like them?), and then Olaf tells them the pseudoscientific explanation of how all water has memory, something he came up with five minutes ago, and they believe him, and they keep repeating the "water has memory" thing for the rest of the movie as if it was a big plot point, instead of what was set up at the beginning. The filmmakers decided that the siren's voice was going to be the mother, and they didn't even bother to keep her within the narrative! Absolutely baffling!
Triple D experience, Omgawd 😭😭😭 I thought I would never see that in a video 🤣🤣
I remembered the "TRIPLE D EXPERIENCE" bumpers out of the blue a couple months ago and did a spit take. Kudos to whoever got that phrase greenlit!
Always so exciting when you post a new video! 🥳
These videos are above and beyond quality can you give us a rough estimate on when you will make another vid just curious when I will see another new video from you?
Aw, thanks so much! :D I wish I could give you an estimate! I'm currently juggling an I Like To Read comic and a video ad gig, so that probably won't leave much time for RUclips for a while! RUclips is just too unstable an income source to make it more of a priority right now (my last two videos haven't broken $250 in Adsense yet-whoopsies). I try to keep people somewhat updated on my Twitter (@squad_videos)!
7:39 Ok but why not tho?
Cuz I would listen to that.
Talk about Nimona now please.
i never liked that every frame a painting bit with the people on the street cuz at that point none of the marvel themes had ever been repeated in multiple movies, while the classic themes everyone recognized were all from major series that had had multiple movies with the same theme music. Like sure we all know the star wars theme and harry potter that weve heard thousands of times in a dozen movies, but i bet none of those people could sing the ET theme even though its great. And post Endgame i bet a lot more people could tell you the Avengers theme.
So i guess the thing that might have made this score work better and feel more memorable would be work mostly with motifs created in the first movie (and if he was allowed to use the siren call smh).
NIMONA MENTIONED RAAAGHHH
Thank you inspiring me to look for the Ice Age 3 soundtrack and realizing how much it SLAPS
This is the first time I caught an upload within the first minute of its upload: I cant wait to listen along while working >v< b
30:26 NEW TOM!! NEW TOM!!!
Excellent video also, really dug into the topic in a way that felt thorough and fair, gave me a lot of appreciation for movie soundtracks when I figured they were always sorta “supposed” to feel like filler and I was weird for remembering any bits on my own! Fantastic work!
I'm so glad you saw this! I was thinking of you as I wrote that bit of the script lmao! Thanks for watching (and being TOM :D)
@@The_Sin_Squad Of course! Whether there be TOM in the script, there will be TOM in the comments, taking in all the thought spirals and earnest feelings.
(And for whatever it's worth, I really appreciated that ending message - helped inspire me to get to work on my own projects without too much self-discouragement. Thank you!)
All the Voltron clips are causing me pain
Great video!
Beautiful video, incredible, but are we getting the Queerbaiting Suspenders Man?
I'm glad you asked! That's definitely next on my roster (even though it came in third place on the poll; I'm sorry friends who wanted a Cat Returns video first!). The real question is when I'll get the time to pursue another video project 🤞
@@The_Sin_Squad Awesome!! I so look forward to watching it! :D Good luck on acquiring free time!
oh my GOD i needed this today
The humour of this channel is my favourite
One of my favourite songs is Heart by Tobooe. if you like rock with a weird edge, his stuff is worth a listen
man I hate the argument that "oh well music is just sound waves how can we judge them" because it's borderline incel "love is just a chemical reaction" ideology. not only does it devalue any efforts of artists (and probably could be attributed to a gross functionalism/facist root), it's just so dumb. it's like "oh all food tasting good is, it's just chemical reactions in our mouth" like alright then eat this moldy bread. it's just pompous weirdos who can't admit that there is a level of objective quality in every analysis and art, sure if you dilute every possible thing and analyze it from a cold robotic lens, it's just "a picture" or it's just "sound" but that's for dumb people who can't fathom giving credit where credit is due and criticism where criticism is needed.
this is written in the wake of an awful discussion with my older brother about how I can't have an opinion on saltburn because I tapped out halfway and heard a synopsis on the rest. god forbid I did not eat the entire moldy sandwich and then get back to you on the fact it was bad.
I have a very bad ear bc i failed all the quiz questions haha
It’s been my biggest complaint about this movie for years that it ends on the solution of “separate but equal” nonsense
Ouch, Sideways... Yeah, idk if he's the kinda guy to call a lord and savior considering how he and his girlfriend have been treating Patricia Taxxon
Here to say i got 3/3 on the quiz .w.
1 point for the music major(?)
OMG YOURE BACK!!! 🎉🎉🎉
omg i've just started watching girl with the dog's videos, and then you mention her here?? of all videos?? lmaoo
Ha! I just came from a Girl With the Dogs video.
Check out, By the Pain I See in Others, by Opeth.
frozen 2 shouldn't have been dumbed down... it destroyed everything.
Damn... I always thought the voice was the 5th element 😅
I never clicked on a video faster in my life when I saw it in my Notfication box
Genuinely a phenomenal video
Excellent video as always!
BWAAAA thank you so much, Doodle! :D Always awesome to see you!
Not me having to stop dead what I’m doing to be sure this musical thesis video brought up GWTD and Spicy Mayo. 😂
I definitely understand why some on the team thought having the siren call in the score “might conflict” with the sound of the call diagetically in the story, but I’m pretty sure someone as skilled as Beck would have found a way to make it subtle but memorable at the same time. To not even give him the chance is why non-musical people need to sit on their hands and let the musical ones cook. Excellent video! ❤